Newcastle United's transfer for Marc Guehi - is it time to walk away? Or should Toon pay the demands
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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Andrew Musgrove is here to discuss the latest with Marc Guehi.
Newcastle United wanted the Crystal Palace defender but as of yet have been unable to agree a fee - is it time to walk away? If so, who are the alternatives?
Great 3 points on Saturday but was worrying how poor we where with 11men.
Surely we would have had a list of targets for Centre back
They do - we know they are well planned when it comes to targets but if he's the top target, do you pay the fee or walk away?
@@everythingisblackandwhiteNUFC the problem seems to be the structure of the deal as in a lump sum then installments/add ons etc.
Set a deadline if they don't except the 65million then walk away
Its so funny , normally supporters would be desperate for this signing but as it drags on theres no anger from the fans instead they are mostly saying its time to walk away
"This Newcastle United are meticulous, they are well planned, they are well drilled, nothing is done by chance"
We literally had to sell 2 potentially great players on 30th of June just before the deadline as they didn't know if we were going to pass psr. Not to mention trying to flog Gordon 😂
Thanks for the watching, Ross. That’s a fair point you make. Admittedly my point was about incoming transfers.
Agreed. We have ballsed up last few windows. Last signing that strengthened 1st 11 was Gordon in Jan 23.
It's OK you saying pay the £65-70m for guehi but in future transfers other clubs will hold us to ransom, we need to walk away now palace had there chance 4 bids not many clubs would of done that
Walk away to much for guyhei at 70m he was poor on Sunday at fault for brentfords 1st goal. Get tomori for 40m and a Rw for 30m like gonzolers imo .
We need to get it done now or we have to walk away there is a limit on how long we can wait to get him.
How long now 3 months 😅
Pretty sure rivals aren’t worried about Marc Guehi signing for Newcastle. Good player but there’s better players in Europe.
Hi Jack, who would you sign instead?
Diomande but I like most of the players linked in that position
6:31 He is no superstar, that's for sure! 😂😂😂😂
I hope they have walked away from a deal with Palace. Plenty of alternatives out there.
Hi Terry, who would you go for instead?
Trevor Chalobah would be a good addition to Newcastle.
@@terrybutler1096 nowhere near the level of Guehi but he might be all you can get.
NUFC should have walked away after the third attempt, £40/£45 m is about right for Guehi, a Defender, he has only had marginal success during Euro’s, I particularly would not chase this player, one, his height is questionable, two, it is always a gambol, for him to fit in, work as planned following Howe’s system, Parish’s greed in order for NUFC to pay the sell on fee is obscene. For a player who is not on Super Stay earnings. I understand the window is closing soon, with Schar receiving a red card NUFC could be panicking to get someone through the door, but what message is NUFC sending out to other clubs for the future?
Time to move on from that and tell parish to do one
A lot of people agree with you Callum! But who would you move on to?
Oh Parish will be so hurt🤣🤣🤣
I don’t like the price of Guehi, but he is a full England international and has premier league experience. We need someone to hit the ground running. He fits the bill and is a current captain. Defence was a problem last year, we need to strengthen there.
Player prices have crashed this summer due to PSR. Toxic 6 aren't interested and those clubs have more revenue and so can afford to take a gamble and buy an expensive player. If we spend 65 million we are at risk - one injury and I don't think he's value will go up. We are risking all our budget.
We’ve left everything too late, like PSR. Gueli never worth £65 million. Could have got a top class European centre back for half the price early in the transfer window, and bedded him in. We’ll be loaded next summer (2025) because Isak, Bruno, Gordon, Botman and Tonali will be gone, so will Eddie. Could have had Thiaw and Gruda for £55.
Staveley would have had it all (CH; RW) done and dusted by now and they probably would have all played against Southampton!!!!!
the price is ridiculous, what kind of precedent does it set for the way Mitchell negotiates if we overpay on the first transfer. We need both positions, let Mitchell do what he can do go into Europe and sign a top class RCB & a RW. We have wasted far too much time on 1 player. It is embarrassing that we have been haggling and only just reached close to the price they want now, 4 bids is madness. Go for Diomande, Silva, Thiaw. If we absolutely have to then get Chalobah and we add to the squad and then we go back in the market next summer for better. We have to sign those 2 positions if we want to compete. I just don't think Guehi at club level is that good, he was injured a fair bit last season. England was a very defensive team, a defenders dream, the pace was slow, it's a lot easier to defend than the fast pace of the PL, he was left for dust when we played Spain.
With Anderson off, it's pointless trying for Guehi. We've wasted far too much time.
Palace fan here. Have you ever considered the possibility that Guehi isn’t that bothered or keen to join your club? You’ve based all your views on him wanting to join Newcastle on a comment about the atmosphere at SJP. 🤷♂️ lots of players make nice comments about playing at other grounds. My personal view is that he is NOT ‘keen’ to join Newcastle. He knows he’s only 24. He can sit tight at Palace for another season and get a big four club move next summer. And that WON’T be Newcastle. And now we have sold Anderson I assure you there is ZERO chance of us selling Guehi. ZERO. Even if you come up with £70m.
Murillo at Notts Forest decent Centre Back
We should walk away we have spent too much time on this. The club must have a fallback position if they don't the team is not doing its job
Gomez and chalobar both no better than we have buying our competitors cast offs and boosting their PSR got to be other options
Andrew Fulham are signing a palace defender the Danish lad I can’t think of his name I can’t see them selling both of there CB’S
NUFC shoyud stay in talks with Palace until deadline day then unveil a different CB signing from elsewhere just to annoy Parish. £70m for a sold CB in Guehi is taking the mick. Palace can ask what they want for him but he isnt worth £70m in a PSR transfer era.
1:00 We did 65 million. And they said no! So what more to do???
Go to £70m?
Walk… Christensen???
Walk away? RUN😂we need a CB and a RW…so don’t get pants pulled doon by Parish!!! 😮 you talk about time is not on our side Andrew..but that’s NUFC and Mitchell’s dithering imo as we HAD time😂
Guehi will not make our first team £70M better, period.
Disasi, Chalobah even Hummels until Guehi price comes down.
I offer a slightly different and hopeful view. First off, I fully trust Eddie and his recruitment team - they are best in class and how fans can question decisions is beyond me.
On the Guehi deal - with silence from the Newcastle end I wonder if a fee has already been agreed but the deal awaiting a replacement confirmed. That would explain Parish's posturing to the Palace fans.
If we do go for an alternative, I would hope we target a CB that fits what Eddie is looking for, is young, and has proven premiership experience. Bringing in players from another league is a risk we don't need at this point. You mentioned Anthony, but what about the likes of Diego Carlos who didn't cut it at Villa?
I rather we maintain focus on a CB and wait on RW if needed. We were the 3rd highest goal scores last season, and that was with lengthy injuries to Barnes, Isak, Wilson & Murphy. Tose that remained fit were run into the ground. Yes, it would be nice if we upgrade with a new shiny RW that would guarantee goals but I feel if we have a fit squad we'll do OK in the coming season.
Run away from this transfer no way is 70 million reasonable it is clear there are no other clubs bidding for this player. It makes no sense buy a right sided forward that is the priority.
He's a 50m player, 60m is the max or walk away.
Palace don't have to sell, but unless they offer Guehi a new contract (apparently with superstar wages - which I don't believe they will pay) then they will lose this big payday as he contract winds down. I think they will sign for this reason alone.
My opinion is he’s a very good CB think the price is a bit much but his solid display for the national side was class so I’d say pay the money get his signature and get him on the pitch him and Botman will be a defensive wall in the back to complement pope between the sticks
Get it done. Whoever we chase now there will be a premium, these negotiations have been handled terribly. How can our negotiators not know the level to get the deal done after multiple bids. Fundamental error. Your comments about us being meticulous are way off the mark. We’ve had a year of planning and have done nothing that’s failure.
Does is necessarily need to be seen as only having almiron and murphy as rw or could you see it as barnes as lw and gordon as rw with almiron and murphy as back ups.
What is important to me is having enough left to bring in a RW
I hope it is.
Class
Trips' old Madrid team mate Mario Hermoso is on a free rather than Guehi - I wouldn't want to risk a forced sale next June due to over paying now - RW is a priority for us but I'm beginning to think it's not a priority for Eddie
You watch another club will pay up and do it quickly. Really concerned about the new structure are they as good as everyone reckons
I was wondering the same thing… ManUre seem to have done OK though??????
Time to walk away unfortunately. He's peak value right now, our limited budget is better spent elsewhere
On balance we are weaker wasted 20m on a keeper we don’t need, understand the reason but that is just kicking the can down the road. Hall is far away from being the finished article he will come but not yet. Id live without the winger, unless it’s a loan to buy.
Its knowing fullwell not "knowing farewell"
Ffs
Will Chelsea let us have Noni Madueke on loan with an option to purchase?
Why are we not going for a top right winger and a centre back on loan or a young guy to learn from Schar. CB is strong for us and Schar can do at least two years at the top
Chalobah on a loan to buy is a great option.
At £55m and £5m add ons, we shouldn't have even entered discussions. Its too much of our very restricted spending allowance on a position we're not £60m desperate in.
Remember when Isak and Wilson were both fit and competing with each other and felt they had to score each game to show they were the best? ...well that's what we miss when Wilson is out injured. He is injured too often for too long and we need to replace the competition with guaranteed fitness and goals. Also need right wing.
Both of these positions would be money better spent than another CB.
At this stage in our progress, 60/70m spent needs to bring guaranteed goals & assists to the squad.
Also, if we cave in to Palace's price it sets a trend for future negotiations that clubs should just hold out and we'll cave in if they stay strong.
time to move on
I honestly think we it's a 100% must we get a Centre back and a Right Mid/Fwd. If we don't get these in 7th place is gonna be tough.
We are 1 Centre back injury and 1 Striker injury away from a Crisis
He is good. And I can see in my kind. Guehi and botman with hall and livermento. Being awesome. With burn, tripper, schar and Kraft in the. Is. Awesome. With lascelles as backup. Could be awesome.
Gomes is a good player but filling LiVARpools coffers
Walk
Defender first
Save our money and sign tapsoda England didn't play anyone in the euros in the earlier rounds he was poor last weekend
Whoever it is, time is running out!
Leave the table
Guehi is never going to be world. Botmans got a much higher ceiling.
Move on now palace taking the piss
I think Marc is a brilliant signing if we can get him I honestly think him Botman shar Kelly burn gives us quite possibly one of the best defences in the league. I just don’t like how parish is playing this out and basically taking us for mugs. If this goes on ad rather walk away and get diomande
Thanks for watching Loughy. I agree, Guehi would be a great signing but it seems a lot of people think the price tag is too high.
Diomande is the perfect partner for Botman. Problem is how Botman looks when he returns from injury, will he be the same? Time will tell
Anyone could do Mitchell’s job buying is so much easier than selling. I really think this role is the most overrated job in Football Ashworth added nothing will Mitchell?
Turning into a propaganda station… So meticulous and well drilled they had to have a fire sale in June.
Turned in to a laughing stock again Signed no body can not afford to buy Mario Hermoso 😅
Move on.
Hardly anyone wanted Anthony Gordon and look how he turned out hence we should back eddies choices.