Andes Survivors Expedition 2020
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2020
- This video is about the 2020 expedition to the crash site of the Fairchild aircraft which went down in the Andes on 13th October 1972. This "Miracle of the Andes" has been made famous by many books, films and documentaries. A group of eight lead by expert mountaineer Ricardo Pena and his wife Ulyana made the two day trek by road and horse into the heart of the Andes. They were joined by crash survivor Eduard Strauch, who was one of the 16 men finally rescued after having been trapped for 72 days in the mountains.
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I can't even imagine how Nando and Roberto climbed their way out in the condition they were in when these people are even finding it difficult to climb at that altitude and air quality... absolutely amazing what they endured and the drive to stay alive.
It is absolutely astonishing when you are there and see how steep that wall is. An incredible feat of strength and courage
@@garymasson9262 unfathomable for most people... myself included.
That's the will to live.
God
@@BlessedTruly2014 f*ck your god. That is not god. IDIOT
I'm 50 years old and I've been fascinated with this story my entire life. It's the most incredible story I have ever heard.
It is truly inspirational
Me too, i’ve read all their books and watched the movie 100s of times😊
I went so crazy when I saw the movie and read the book" alive " I agree it was the most incredible story I had ever heard and I became obsessed and started going to Uruguay to meet them and I did and it was amazing and they are amazing and what you see is what you get... I literally just picked up the phone and called them and I stayed friends with "One " in particular for a very very long time
@@kandiceblu1 After enduring what they had already endured for two months, just imagine spending three days climbing that first mountain only to reach the summit to see that panorama. How disheartening that would be. Imagine taking that first step over the other side knowing it would be a no return trip. Thinking about that sends a chill down my spine. I still have a difficult time wrapping my brain around it. I feel like a person has to understand the fear of the unknown to fully appreciate this story. I've drawn inspiration from it for my entire life, and it has gotten me through some tough times. Every time I read something, watch something, or even think about their story it evokes powerful emotions inside of me.
@@drgonzoatmpls another thing that troubles me is that pilot I have my own thoughts on that that's for another time
It's amazing how Eduardo, who is now in his 70s, is still able to visit the site regularly.
Their survival kind of defies logic, how were Nando & Canessa after over 2 months able to climb a mountain then trek for 10 days in the wilderness, with no mountain climbing experience or equipment, after being involved in a plane crash an avalanche and only sustaining themselves on the dead bodies of their comrades. It really is incredibly inspiring that people could survive through that and still prevail.
God❤
To the clown with the long comment you have no idea what -40 degrees feels like its easy to say all this from the outside looking in. The only reason they were successful was because they waited till more reasonable temperatures. Before you spew dumb belittling comments from the warm and comfort of your home typing away on your little keyboard, read the book do a little research
@@SourceHadesI agree once resorting to eating and knowing friends were dying the batteries would have been useless because you'd just be a voice with no coordinates plus they'd already heard that another search was going to be underway . As for splitting up that would have been foolish because they knew which of them was capable amongst them . I'm certainly not judging each small mission was another step to keep them going and thinking while your as cold as that well your not going to be a 100%. emotional traumatic insane they were all that in that short time but they kept there brotherhood and community together nothing but respect for these guys story .
You are an id@#t, they had no real idea where they where, weak from the crash and it was still winter (in the south winter lasts longer not like in this video. They had no real winter clothes (no gloves), they had no food at all until pretty much they ate the bodies of the death, and even when they did that they didnt eat much obvius. so they where weak the whole time. They also didnt have water they melted some snow but it was not enough. @@SourceHades
What defies logic is when fat keyboard warriors try to act hard about an achievement they wouldn't have the strength to survive one day in @@SourceHades
I just watched "Society of the Snow". It felt like I was there. I'm getting flashbacks. I can't imagine how hard hard was it for them during the winter season. Thank you so much for sharing this video. Makes me emotional right now. Those men were unbelievably brave. They fought for their lives.
It’s an amazing film and it’s the one the survivors wanted made! They are very proud of it I am told. However, even the film doesn’t cover all of it. It’s worth reading some of the books to get more detail. Being up at the crash site with Eduardo Strauch was an unforgettable experience!
Me too I watched it like 4 times already ❤
im still stupified by how these two men, nearly dead, did this, while experienced climbers find it difficult (with no snow). not to mention these folks were well fed…
@@garymasson9262thinking of purchasing robert canessa’s book, do you recommend? just started reading up on this story & im beyond fascinated!!
@@garymasson9262Do you recommend any books to read for this one?
When i watched this movie as a kid, i was strangely haunted by the idea of Nando and Roberto dying during their trek, and the world would go on believing they had died in the crash, and no one would ever know whatbthey went through for all that time.
It makes me wonder what else we don't know about what peoplw endure that is never known.
Very true. Can you imagine if that had happened and later, someone found the camera at the crash site?
Descubrieron un avion hace unos años de un avion lancaster avro con joyas y valores !! Y se descubrio que habia habido saqueadores !!!
People would have thought they killed and ate the people.
14 of the 16 survivors are still alive. I hope they'll have many more good years...
When i first read miracle in the andes i thought to myself how is this a miracle? All the unspeakable tragedy. But now i realize the fact that even a single person was spared from the crash itself, and this hostile environment, is without question a miracle
Great video!! I made this trip with Eduardo and Ricardo in 2016. I took hundreds (actually a couple thousand) of photos but very little video. I was fortunate enough to set up camp a few hundred yards from the memorial and spend one of the nights. We had more snow than you did, and the wind was insane. The vastness of the Valley of Tears is not something to put in words, it has to be experienced, and it is as remote as it gets. I will forever treasure this trek, this experience, and the bonds I have made with my group. The story of Alive has forever been an inspiration to me, a lesson in life.
I was astonished at how beautiful The Valley is. It is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen. Like you I was mesmerised
This story is a reminder for all of us, that every good and seemingly bad moment of life... is precious.
The lesson here " is NEVER GIVE UP dont lose hope
C’est magnifique. Merci. J’ai lu « les survivants » et « miracle dans les Andes ». J’ai pleuré, et vos images magnifiques me permettent de contempler ce lieu à jamais sacré. Merci infiniment. ❤
Those people are AMAZING , from their desire to live to all what they've been through they never lost hope , they fought for their lives, they found the hope in the hopeless , they made the impossible possible and I respect them so much for that.
Remember Nando came out of a concussion...Roberto was a leader as well. God thank you for these men their will to never give up and the love they had for their fellow brothers ❤
I just watched the movie on Netflix an hour ago. That is why I'm here.
All the survivors seemed to be heroes in their own right. One making a way to have water to drink; piling up the fuselage with luggage and other things they did just to survive. Their experience was truly a horror story and the two walking out and the chance of a person being on the other side of the river was incredible. This video is good/shows us outsiders the terrain which many of us would never have survived.
Yes. Roy Harley is portrayed in the 1993 movie in a pretty unflattering manner. However, when the avalanche hit, he was the only one who stood up before the snow buried everyone(except the two guys with leg injuries suspended off the floor). If not for Roy’s quick thinking, they probably all would have died right there. Roy quickly freed himself and dug out some who all joined in to help. Of course not all were saved but it could have been much worse.
What an expedition,splendid mountain views and my thoughts to all the Andes Flight crash's deceased and god bless all the survivors
And never lose faith.
If you are reading this , never give up no matter what your problem is ,never give up , human spirit is amazing 😢😢😢😢😢😢
The story of this valley is a testament to how strong our instincts to live another day are, it's inspiring when you're living through the worst times, great story and journey
What about the people who died? Not strong enough survival instincts, I guess. But I guess they lived on, through others :)
I just watched the new movie of this. Great acting and I really admired the will and how strong those young men were. Surviving that condition is a miracle.
Edvardo brother, you are the Man. I wish I can go there and pay respect to people who died there. Nando and Roberto you guys are heroes of Andes and Uruguay 🇺🇾 I wish you all the best.
This is a wonderful upload. I have been fascinated by these young men and their stories of survival since I read this book nearly 50 years ago. This is a treat. (It was nice to see Edward Strauch who, as I recall was nicknamed “The German”)
Thank you. Eduardo is a such a lovely man
Amazing photography, you made it like we were right there with you. What a difference the lack of snow makes. The snow actually soften the planes impact when it hit. I read the book I think it was called "Alive" many years ago. Gives thought to what you would do in any situation to survive. Amazing survivors.
Thank you so much. That’s such a lovely comment and very kind of you. I really appreciate that.
thanks for this. eye opening. I saw the movie when i first came out and that plane crash scene was one of the first horrific cinematic versions so terrifying. stuck with everyone who has seen it. I live in BC where they filmed the movie and it's not far removed in areas but the remoteness is much much different.
You know until I saw the 2006 Banff interview with Nando I had idea the movie was filmed in bc ! I’m in Toronto
Amazing you went on this expedition, especially with Eduardo. I am fascinated by his survival story.
In winter you wouldn't no where to go snow
Great video, even in summer with no snow you can see the harshness of the environment. An incredible story of human survival against all the odds.
Yes, and that constant wind blowing when it did would have been so much worse during the time of their ordeal. I watched the special features of my 30th anniversary DVD edition Alive movie and they actually did most of the filming for it on a glacier in the Canadian Rockies. I’m sure those actors were told what they were in store for regarding the conditions but it still must have come as quite a shock for them. Nando was there as an consultant and some of the actor’s told him after the first 5 minutes of filming that it was unbearable and couldn’t believe the survivors had endured such conditions.
Watched your video again Gary. it really is an amazing story of survival. Surviving a plane crash then having to live there for nearly three months in winter with the wrong close and no food.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this! It looks like you made new, bonding friendships and had an amazing experience. I feel so much compassion for Eduardo and the other survivors.
It was an incredible trip. I intend going back. The beauty of the Andes and that valley in particular, is breathtaking. Contrast that with the horrific events that took place there and it is indeed a unique experience. Eduardo is an amazing man and Ricardo Pena, the expedition leader is the best there is.
Thank you. Such a respectful tribute and record of an amazing trip. I have known this story for 50 years. If I can’t sleep I try to recall the 16 and then the 29. I feel I know them. I have been considering the story of late. A miraculous aspect, oft overlooked, is how that fuselage survived the slide down the gulley without disintegrating totally. Thanks.
The local government should invest in a proper memorial with a prominent cross to mark the location. Not massive but dignified.
Hay un monumento de una empresa que se llama valle de las leñas y hay un proyecto de una carretera que es la que nando y canessa veian y que va a pasar a 300 metros del lugar donde cayo el avion !!
that memorial would be gone blown to bits within a few months
I have had this on my bucket list for a while now. I’m hoping to do this in the next 2 years
I've been with these young men since reading "Alive" back in 1976. For some reason this story doesn't leave me. I'm compelled every so often to go back and rewatch interviews, documentaries, read the books, etc. I'm not sure what it is that keeps bringing me back, but since watching "Society of the Snow" on Netflix, this story had hit me in a big way. My heart is always with these people; survivors and those departed. Seeing Javier's placque up there breaks my heart, and now Coche. It's so brave of Eduardo to go with you. I would still likely have PTSD. Then I'm guessing it's therapeutic for him in that he gets to visit his brothers again. To connect and at least talk with them a bit. The interesting thing is the site is so easy to get to now, yet for those who survived it was like a prison. Thank you for this video and allowing me to get situated as to where things are. I do appreciate it.
It’s such an incredible and moving story. I agree with you. It gets to me too!
Amazing experience Gary, such a good quality video touching on your experience but also being respectful to the people involved in the accident.
David Henderson Thank you. It was an incredible week 😀
Thanks for making this video. I watched the movie when it came out in the early 90s. Those poor souls and what the remaing alive had to endure
I would like to see this place... 💓 I'm from very far Poland... I've never been in South America...
Great video! One of the most amazing and difficult stories of human survival and self-overcoming there is!
The survivors are now getting on in age, so it's still rewarding to see them pay tribute and recognize those astounding few months from 1972!
Beautiful video. The case of the Andes survivors had a really big impact on me. Reading through it all made me think how incredibly horrible it must have been for all of them, but how incredibly strong they were to push through and find help.
Seeing the harsh terrain through your video only makes me more amazed. The fact that they traveled such a long way while sick and malnourished is incredible.
Very true. The terrain is incredibly hard to negotiate but unimaginable in heavy snow with hidden crevasses all over the Andes.
I heard this story when I was a kid growing up in Ireland, my mother RIP was fascinated with the story. I was born in June 72, I was only 4 months old when this story was happening in the Andes
Their story is one of the most inspiring and courageous things I've ever heard in my life. Just watched the new movie about it, "Society of the Snow." Absolutely incredible.
Thank you for posting 💝
It was great to see the crash site clearly with everything explained. Thank you
How they even knew where they we going is incredible in itself. I can’t imagine.
Right the fear of the unknown is scary what if the mountain never finish and going back in circle. Guess their faith is so big and God help them ❤
Very nicely done Gary...
Here after watching the netflix movie! 💙👍🏽 crazy story great movie
Spiritual Place like no other, would Luv to get there on a tour.
Amazing and fun video man. Great respect for the lives lost up there. A surreal sight I am sure. Thank you for sharing man.
Next time you going let me know! This is my favourite story ever, I’m reading the book every year when the accident happened! This video is amazing!!!!
Beautiful 🌹 video and I loved that cute little dog 🐕 also the horses!
Imagine walking these mountains with snow all around it's really miracle to.live.
and ty for sharing diz incredible moment with us🙏😍
Thanks for sharing the video
Thanks for sharing!
would like to go there and pay my respect to the survivors and victims, I been following this story since i first saw the movie in 76. watched both movies ,read the books and other shorty stories on it. been involved with aviation since 73(retired aircraft mechanic), flew in a Piedmont fairchild fh 227 . are their going to be any expeditions in the future.?
Hi. Yes there is an annual expedition, usually early January. It’s the only one where Eduardo himself participates. He goes back once every year. He is amazing.
@@garymasson9262 got your brochures, I will read it tonight, will start making arrangements
@@arolemaprarath6615 i would love to < but i think these men have busy schedules, and family< but that would be great to do so
Hello, JetBlue! Great Nick (I love planes)...Could, you, please tell me how did you get brochures from Gary Masson? By the way, I also bought DVD movie based on this story....Amazing Story! I wasn't even born in 1972 (was born in 1980) but know this story very well. Thank you in advance for your reply! (my email: toyota1980@yandex.ru). Greetings from Las Vegas!
@@yuliawolf4170 I am going with Valle Verde expedition
Nice to see Ricardo Pena again. He was in the documentary "Alive". Looks like a trip worth doing. Too bad it's too late, the world going to shit.
Ricardo is a great guy. Very knowledgable and very experienced. He is also a very talented musician. I am honoured to call him a friend
Hope where are you without it? Marilyn
I see Javier Methol's name, he died in 2015 at the age of 79, his wife Liliana would be proud knowing that her husband came home alive to their beloved children, I'm sure they're both together now wherever they are
He was the eldest of the survivors and the first to die off the mountain. His ashes were carried to the crash site and interred there with his wife as he wished
that's very sweet, like I said, wherever they are now I'm sure they're together @@garymasson9262
13 October was my brithday😢😢😢😢i ws very sad for the passenger who died in the crash RIP🥀💐💐
Great video. Very well done. Best wishes to all.
Thank you very much!
Amazing brother !!! Deep y enternity experience......!
Amazing... really, really good film 🔥
Antes de la pandemia loca me alegro mucho que hayan podido lograr ir espero lo hayan pasado muy bien desde San Juan Puerto Rico mucho amor.
such a fascinating trip you got to experience.
I would be petrified on a horse ascending or descending those narrow, rocky paths to the crash site. One is totally relying on the horse keeping its footing. One loose rock, the horse stumbles and slips down the almost sheer hillside. It's pretty brave to make a trip like this.
I thought the same thing. I haven’t been on a horse back since childhood and I get panic attacks so I would be in danger 😬
Hay gente que ha ido en bicicleta o caminando , no deberian usar animales o perros!!!
what a remarkable journey Nando & Roberto have and thx for retelling their journey in this video. makes me realize we human has strength to endure in any kind of challenge and how gratefull we are with the life we had. but hopefully canibalism not include if we have to
Usually they tell you to stay put when lost in a Forrest or something but they did the right thing after 2 months of no one coming
Nando and Roberto went on the chilie rout , they did not go in the Argentine rout , which is more nearer and easy than chilie rout
Netflix Society of the Snow brought me here 😢.
Amazeing video really shows you how brave they were !
amazing scenery!
I hike the trail in 1980 nice video
11:11 you can see the spinal columns of two bodies that had been eaten in the bottom right of the photo of the smiling team mates. Theyre next to the chairs and a glass bottle
Well back meat is the tastiest of meat. Ribeye steaks, tenderloin, t-bone, and filet mignon (cuts from the backstraps and tenderloins respectively - the muscles that run along the spine) are the tastiest and most expensive steaks from cows. It's also the case in deer, moose, caribou, etc. I would assume the same for humans.
I saw them too 🙁 i understand why they did what they did, but theres a sensation that really bothers me while watching the remains there, like thrash!! I would have burried them at least, i mean, they used to be their friends 😢😢
@@destructionman1 if i were in their situation id save every edible part
@@nanzyalnizlikg4360 yea i agree. Im sure they were legit out of their minds after having to cut their friends and family apart just to live. I wouldnt wish this on anybody.
@@nanzyalnizlikg4360no podian reirse no estaras pidiendo demasiado?
Amazing story of survival
So amazing. Thanks for sharing. What happened to the fuselage?
It was doused with gas and set on fire. Btw, the pilot and copilot were still inside when they did this. They were so pinned in the wreckage that they would have been impossible to remove.
@@mako88sb That’s interesting. Do you have any links that have details about this?
Chris Seckler My main source for the information about the fuselage being burned comes from Piers Paul Reid’s book titled Alive!(1974). Well worth getting if you’re the slightest bit interested about this incredible example of survival. I must admit I can’t recall if the information about the pilots still being in the wreckage is actually in the book. It’s been awhile since I’ve read it. Someone posted that info on one of the numerous videos about this topic and it makes complete sense. Pictures of the front end of the plane after the snow had melted enough shows how much damage it took and clearly shows why the pilots bodies would have been pinned in their seats. Plus with the bitter cold, they would have been frozen solid. Later as the temperatures began to warm, the pilots bodies began to putrefy during the day and freeze solid again at night. The movie Alive as well as the books about this often mentioned that the survivors talked about consuming flesh from the pilots first because they got them in that situation. With what I’ve mentioned already about how the pilots weren’t easily accessible, I’m not sure if they were actually used as a source of food.
@@mako88sb I’ll check out the book. Thanks a lot!
I would like to go on this trip. Who do I contact please? Thanks, John.
Where is the plane at the crash site the fuselage
Emocionante y sentimental ❤
really interesting to see it now.
Is the wreck of the plane still there??
Beautiful video and beautiful experience! Thanks for sharing.. i really wold like to do that. How can i do? how much does it cost?
Escuche que costaba 66 u$ americanos desde el sosneado que tengo entendido esta en un campo privado averiguen bien para evitar sorpresas desagradables !!
Amazing footage! Do you know where all the remaining parts like the fuselage itself actually went?
The fuselage was burned by the Uruguayan Air Force in early 1973. What remains of it is likely under the glacier although there a lot of aircraft parts spread out around the crash site.
Hello, to those that took this exdepition, I would appreciate any advice on gear to bring that is not on the list provided, always helps to know what you thought would have made your trip a little better, it all goes well I will be there in January 2021,.thanks
The dust in the Andes during the summer months is incredible. Please be sure and take a face covering for your nose and mouth. You won't regret it. Believe me, waking up in the morning after riding all day in dust and trying to clear your sinuses is not the most pleasant experience!
Where is the plane?
What was left of the fuselage was doused with gas and burned.
@@mako88sb where did you hear that ? Some of the plane is at the memorial near the crash site and some is in a museum !
@@Qotsarena Pretty sure I read it in Piers Paul Read’s book, Alive. I don’t have it handy but here’s a quote from wiki about it:
“They doused the remains of aircraft wreckage with gasoline and set it on fire. Eduardo Strauch later wrote in his book Out of the Silence that the bottom half of the fuselage, covered in snow and thus spared by the fire, was still there when he returned in 1995.”
I should add that someone once posted that because the pilot and copilot bodies were so pinned by the instrument panel, they felt it would be best to cremate their remains thus the decision to douse it with gas. I have 3 books about this incident but don’t recall that being mentioned. It is plausible though.
@@mako88sb incredible! Thanks! I remember finding my moms copy of that book in the 80s and being fascinated by it even at a young age. Have just ordered it to read myself
Did they clean up the crash site??
What happened to the tail section? Is it still there?
¿Qué pasó con la sección de la cola? ¿Todavía está allí?
The tail section is long gone. It broke apart and was swept away by the glacial waters
Increíble la sociedad de la nieve, increíble.
I was in my early 20s university student when the movie Alive came out in 1993, same age as the crash victims/survivors. Amazing to see this site today and right before the pandemic shut down the world. What happened to the wreckage of the plane? I think I saw some documentary they set fire to it after the rescue?
Yes, after the last of the survivors had been rescued the people in charge had the remains of the deceased buried and then burned the fuselage. Not much of it remains.
The Uruguayan Air Force went back three weeks after the rescue and burned the fuselage. It was their plane and their pilots and they wanted to destroy the evidence as quickly as possible. We don’t think it was completely destroyed and the remains lie under the ice a little bit down from the crash site. It has moved down the valley a little, over the years. Ricardo is desperate to find it. There is so much evidence up there. Our expedition found so much stuff! We were thrilled to bring back the bottle to Eduardo! It is an incredible place!
@uec There is a museum in Montevideo with lots of personal items and various other things from the tragedy.
@@garymasson9262que dejen en paz ese lugar , la fuerza aerea uruguaya tomo la valiente desicion de quemar para evitar los comedidos que siempre hay , y hubieran borrado todo trayendo los restos como si fueran recuerdos !!!
Saludos desde Uruguay 🇺🇾💪
Igualmente!
I was age 29 when the survivors were found. Years later, I saw a South American movie depicting these events. The movie had been dubbed in English. I was not impressed by the movie itself, but the story was quite something else. I await a much better movie made today, where the actors speak in Spanish but with English subtitles. As for this documentary, I had visualized something quite different in my mind back in the 1970s. Isn't it true that the survivors decided to descend in a westward direction into Chile.
Postscript: I finished this video and my memory had failed me in parts. I had remembered these survivors being a soccer team, but in fact, they played rugby. And maybe I was expecting too much from the movie that I remember seeing. I really believe what I saw was dubbed in English. But parts of this movie (or a later remake) seemed like the acting was adequate. But I still look forward to yet another remake.
It’s crazy to imagine perhaps some plane crashes there were survivors but didn’t make it long enough to get out
in these situations you almost become super human, i see some people doubting that they journeyed that far to save their friends... but its very very real.
I would love to know how a person can sign up to participate in something like this? My husband and myself have wanted to see the Andes crash sight for years. If anyone can tell me how you get involved in something like this I would very much appreciated the information.
Thank You
Here is all the info about our next expedition there with Eduardo Strauch and you are welcome to join us: alpineexpeditions.net/andes-survivors-expedition.html
@@ricardopena1948I’m saving up to take this trip. Hoping to do this in the next 2 years. It’s been on my bucket list for a while now.
Hay empresas que hacen el viaje desde el sosneado a la zona por 66 u$ aunque hay que cerciorarse bien para evitar sorpresas ??? El avion cayo en un campo privado y la empresa se ha tentado y cobra para entrar aunque hay gente que ha ingresado gratis!!!
did u use an expedition company? website ? i would love to go
Oscar I met with alpineexpeditions.net as this is the only one where a survivor goes back to the site every year. Contact Ricardo Pena
I heard what I wanted to know. Nando and Canessa walk out was 10 days, 32-33 miles. Of the most brutal kind. †
How many miles in trecherous conditions did the survivors walk to get help
Watch the movies
someone know where is the fuselage now ? was he removed or buried by the weather ?
The military broke up the fuselage, doused what was left with gasoline and set it on fire. The body parts were basically buried in a mass grave.
@@hamilton1191Oh what a shame. I wonder what their reasoning was. It should have been preserved.
@@hamilton1191the fuselage I mean, not the body parts of course.
10:57 great visual!
Has anyone found or been to the tail section?
Don McClean’s ‘American Pie’ was a number one hit in 1972.
On first glance a lot of people dont catch the ribcage and other body parts in some of those pics. Tragic.
All hero s rip to them all
How much is it to do this trip? I would love to go and not only meet one of the survivors but also check out the site. :)
There are various companies that can get you there at varying prices. I went with Ricardo Peña and Eduardo via Alpine Expeditions. It is not cheap and prices vary greatly alpineexpeditions.net/
Buscar hay muchas opciones te cobran 66 u$ desde el sosneado pero de ahi puede llegar hasta 660 u$ cuando es un lugar comuny corriente !!! Si venis por tu cuenta , hay una nueva ley ( no se si el gobierno de la provincia de mendoza cobra 4200u$ por rescate ) pero se ven locuras !! Y quieren cobrar cualquier cosa !!!