@@meowwaffles6040i mean i think it kinda makes sense she could have my Asperger‘s or something like that she was just super smart and read from a very young age, different from a lot of other kids & different from her whole family so i don’t think it was like too much but i can DEFINITELY see some aspects of autism
Vanellope definitely was made to have tourettes in video game character form. Her glitches always acted up when she was in a stress inducing situation or an exciting one.
First off, I’m happy that someone finally mentioned abed, second, he does technically have autism. I’m pretty sure it’s canon that he had Asperger’s when the show came out, and now Asperger’s is included in autism, so yeah technically he does
I loved it! It was so amazing and emotional and I could relate to both of them so much. I think these coded characters are great when done like this so that people who don't yet realize they're ND might have something to relate to without feeling that unfortunate ingrained bias they might have against autism and its stereotypes.
I have a bad stutter and in no way do I relate to vanellope or her problems. She doesnt represent neurodivergent problems in the slightest and people are reading into this way too hard. Plus, even if it was a stutter, stutters are not autism!
@@bovineintervention6001 Exactly what I'm saying! These people try and take offense or relate to people with disabilities and they get it wrong! In no way are either of us autistic and the people who made the movie were not trying to give characters 'autism codes'
Accidental autism coding is often a lot better than intentional when the media is made by an allistic bc when they intentionally code the characters as autistic it’s usually really badly done but when they just add traits to a character that happen to be autistic traits but the creator doesn’t know that, the character gets to be an actual person and not just a stereotype
I hate the autistic coded characters that are never confirmed to be autistic but were made to be very stereotypical. I love the characters that weren’t intentionally make to be autistic and collectively all autistic people decided that they’re one of us Edit: ok to clear everything I said up: I hate the characters that are only made very stereotypical and have been given very neuro divergent traits and are made to be a weirdo or outcast. Even if they are canonically ND (Sheldon cooper, The good doctor etc). Yes, these characters represent and I’m happy to have representation. However I would more diversity on the spectrum, because many people see these characters and have no other knowledge of autism and so assume everyone with autism acts the way they do. A way I will compare it so it makes sense to some of you if I’m every TV show they made the girls blonde, shoe obsessed, pink loving, make up obsessed and an hour glass figure. Sure, some girls are like that, wonderful. But girls (like those with autism) are human beings and they can have a personality other than bimbo. And ND people can have a personality other than extremely smart but socially awkward. I love the character that show the diversity of autism but weren’t purposefully meant to (tangleds Rapunzel). Those of us with autism appreciate seeing the similarities and being able to relate to a character.
@@Froggyqueer37 can i recommend brandon sanderson books? Namely mistborn (athough the autistic charecter only shows up in book 4) and stormlight archives. Best autistic rep ever
Like Thrawn from Star Wars. I read the 2 new-canon trilogies before I got my autism diagnosis and well I didn’t see it, then I re-read them and I was like “hold on a minute”
I think autism coded is fine, tbh, so long as they aren't stereotypes. You don't need a character to explicitly talk about/confirm being autistic for the audience to understand that they are meant to be autistic, and the character can still be relatable and enjoyable while still being coded. I remember people loved RotTMNT's Donatello because he was so well-written and such a realistic portrayal of autism, even before it was confirmed that he was autistic.
Same with Marcy Wu in Amphibia. Even the crew didn’t know they coded her autistic, but they loved the idea so much it’s unofficially canon. Not sure whether this is the case with other well-written autistic characters, but it seems to be working.
I think there should be autistic characters that say they are autistic and it’s well known and some that never say it and it’s only discussed outside of the media. Balance. Both
Lilo from Lilo and Stitch most definitely falls into this category. - She has rituals (feeding pudge the fish a peanut butter sandwich on Wednesdays) - socialization difficulties (mertil & co) - trouble reading social cues (she told the social worker far more than she should have and didn't understand why Nani was trying to stop her) - Elvis and collecting photos of tourists are her special interests. - she connects more with animals than people (Stitch), - emotional irregularities (biting mertil & dramatically playing music/describing how sad she was when Nani didn't allow her to get her way) Nani saying "they won't understand her" as her defense as to why Lilo should stay in her custody when the social worker was taking her away also hit home. As her primary caretaker, Nani knows how Lilo operates. Others will likely get frustrated and treat Lilo poorly if they are unaware or unwilling to support her needs. Ugh, such a great movie
Not to argue because i agree, but the feeding Pudge is because she believes Pudge controls the weather and a storm is what took away/k*lled her parents so she doesn't want something like that to happen again. So she feeds Pudge.
honestly I love characters that can be read as autistic, but aren't necessarily written with that intention. makes me feel like the traits are becoming much more normalised
Like Sheldon from big bang theory or young Sheldon. I’m autistic as well as most people in my family and we all suspect he is but writers say he wasn’t intended to be.
@@quziia They didn't say anything wrong, they just said that people who don't have autism can also have those traits. They didn't say that having a head cannon about this wasn't okay or anything bruh
Vanellope! I definitely see Vanellope being a glitch an allegory for neuro-diversity and disabilities. When she refused to give up her glitch and refused become a princess and saying “This is me!”and really embracing her glitching was honestly so inspiring and strong for me as an Autistic girl. It really moved me.
I always get so confused when it happens and then when it actually doesn’t have any comments I feel almost lied to for some reason even though it said 0 comments
I never saw Anna as autistic coded but rather c-ptsd, which has major overlap with symptoms of autism and is definitely a kind neurodivergency. The overlap between ptsd autism and adhd symptoms is fascinating to me, especially as someone who has 2 of them
a lot of that "overlap" is more... accidental ableist misinformation. and AuDHD folks with internalized ableism struggling to accept that they have autistic traits. medical information paints a very different picture. autistic traits include things like gestalt language processing or other atypical language processing, difficulty processing/understanding social cues, restricted/repetitive behaviors and interests, dependence on routines and extreme sensory sensitivities (sensory-seeking or sensory-avoidant behavior). adhd traits revolve around either hyperactivity or inattentivity. difficulty starting, finishing, or switching tasks, difficulty with organization, etc. & social/communication problems can arise from these symptoms (talking too fast for other people, struggling to fit into a normal conversation flow, inattentivity results in missing important social cues, etc) but these are not diagnostic and present very differently from autism. no adhd traits involve inherent sociocommunication deficits or differences. c-ptsd traits include avoidance, re-experiencing, hypervigilance, and a negative view of self/others which can lead to social impairment. sometimes a lil dissociation to boot. while social impairment _may_ be a common experience to both, again, it isn't diagnostic but rather a common consequence, it presents differently, and it stems from completely different places. social problems caused by c-ptsd are more akin to those caused by depression or anxiety or any other mental illness. i.e. most sick people struggle with relationships. what's actually common between adhd, autism, and c-ptsd is _comorbidity._ many, many people have both adhd and autism, but one of those is a little easier to come to terms with than the other. and many people with adhd and autism end up with childhoods that lead to c-ptsd.
Not disagreeing with you, but trauma also can rewire the brain in a way that mimics ADHD. Someone can meet diagnostic criteria for both while only having one Also sensory processing difficulties (overstimulation, hypervigilance, in general not processing what’s heard, etc) and executive dysfunction are things that can happen in all three as well It can definitely be a mess to sort out when considering multiple diagnoses at play. It’s the exact problem my partner and I are having with distinguishing between the (two or) three in a professional setting. But as with many things, it’s a process, and isn’t as straightforward as people might think. I definitely agree on the “one is easier to accept than the other” thing. I’m in a fine place of acceptance now, but I see it in play with my partner as well. And there’s definitely no shame in any or all of these diagnoses. Just in case anyone is reading this who relates. Find the tools that help, regardless of which “category” it fits in with, since it might be more than one anyway
@@Frostfire1031 yeah, i agree with you too. sorting out the diagnoses can be confusing and certain aspects of them _can_ absolutely present similarly sometimes. i just wanted to highlight the differences, which are there and are important, and the internalized ableist narrative that i see touted a lot by leftists about adhd vs autism. cause it's important to be aware of! i wish you and your partner luck, my wife and i also have some ridiculous neurodivergency mixes that have been wild to sort out and address at once.
Same! I mean, it's fascinating to me too. And the 'overlap,' or co-morbidity, as the case may be, with borderline (and which is even more highly stigmatized).
anne was my realisation that that was not how everyone feels, thinks, and acts. Finally, I am diagnosed, for nearly two years. I won't forget how that character might have saved my life
literally begging people to understand that just because a character has certain attributes that are associated with autism, doesnt automatically mean they're "autism coded" some people are just socially anxious and weird, it doesnt mean theyre neurodivergent
please this is EXACTLY what i want to say without diminishing the fact that many neuro divergent people see themselves in them. like I don’t think I’m neurodivergent but have a very similar personality/traits to some of these ‘autism coded’ characters and I see myself in them. when people start claiming they’re autistic or autism coded I just start to feel as though I can’t really see myself in that character without feeling like I’m pretending to be something I’m not and it sucks :( anyways baby rants HAGSVSG thank you for this comment
@@cayennepepIt doesnt matter if you dont’t have autism and some characters u relate to do. First off, everyone is saying that they’re probably autistic or autistic coded. You’re free to relate to these characters regardless. The characters being autistic (which is, yk, a headcannon) shouldn’t hinder you from relating to them.
@@insecticaa Its not that a character being autistic means omg I can't relate to them anymore, or even that it's bad for a neurodivergent person to relate to and see themselves in a character that wasn't written to be explicitly neurodivergent. It's that it's getting a bit weird how people treat autism as an uwu cute character quirk that you can assign to people or characters on a whim. Especially when the traits that always get called out are very normal things like "has a hobby that they're passionate about" or "acts a bit awkward sometimes" or "is 'weird'".
@@incognitoburrito6020as an autistic person, it's SO hard to find well written autistic representation in media so we kinda have to make it ourselves (ex. finding autistic traits in characters that are not explicitly portrayed as autistic). i've been doing it since i was a little kid without even realizing. no, autism is not a uwu quirky !! trait and it makes life very difficult a lot of the time, so finding a character that we relate to bc they have ND traits can help us feel better about it! we are not saying that NT people can't be socially awkward or ""weird"", we just relate to those characters more because they're the only good autism representation
I think it’s somewhat realistic to have characters show several signs of autism or other disorders and never have it confirmed or have it confirmed later in the story or after the time their story is set to end because in real life people don’t always know of their own disorders and don’t have diagnosis or don’t get diagnosed until later in life, or someone may have a diagnosis but not be open about it to everyone they talk to or work with so others around them might notice their neurodivergent signs but be unaware of any actual diagnosis
If the intention was realism, yes, but most of the time the creators are just baiting neurodivergent fans while appeasing the neurotypical audience. That or some creators don’t want an autistic/neurodivergent character so they apply the “””cute”””/marketable aspects like hyperactivity or “shyness” while not using the less marketable symptoms like meltdowns, which only further hurts autistic/ND rep.
@@OhLatte i'm not saying the neurotypical audience cares abt that kind of stuff, just that the execs/creators do. and when it comes to the creation of media the execs' opinions and wants tend to take priority over the audience's (not that the audience isn't listened to, the fact of the matter is the execs are listened to *more*) edit: typo
Controversial opinion: Characters are coded by the *viewers* The viewers assert their thoughts on them and makes headcannons of what they could be and how they appear to them. (ex. Spongebob being considered as an individual with ADHD, or the Winnie Pooh analogy on mental health, illnesses and neurodivergency.)
Controversial because it's wrong. Especially regarding ND characters, the character is often written based on someone the writer knew who was ND, it was just atm unknown/undiagnosed or they didn't want to label it for whatever reason. Example: Abed from Community or Dr Brennan from Bones, both based on autistic people, but never labeled in the series, this makes them autism coded.
@@i.cs.zamodits People don't lie when they say that confidence will not make you sound wiser than the fox. Quite ironic too that you use the terms "Undiagnosed" and "Unknown". It just reinforces my point of view even more. Autism/ND coding is asserted by the viewers, and if it wasn't, then the author would have officialized it. Period.
@@ILoveMenWayTooMuch Being cinfidently wrong doesn't make you smart.. I try to rephrase so you can comprehend: I gave you two characters, who are officially written based on aztistic people, and the writers acknowledged that, just outside if the show they apoear in. Comprende? Are you insisting that the characters based on real life people only coded that was because of the audiance? It's not stereotypes dear, it's how real life ND people are, but because a lot of networks have a thing for not labeling the obvious, that's the result. You are not "controversial" you are just plain wrong and dense. Period.
@@i.cs.zamodits And so my first analogy resonated. That's a lot of yap to protect what is literally called headcannoning by the masses. But sorry sweetie, "inspired from" does not mean "is". Pretty dense of you. See ya. ❤ Edit: Also, I talked about characters like Spongebob and other media characters that are NOT confirmed to be ND at all, people did. The characters you've given me are just autistic, not coded.
@@ILoveMenWayTooMuch I'm very glad we can agree that your own analogy perfectly fits you. But as people say, stupidity is like death, it doesn't hurt you just the people around you. If you can't understand that the writer basing a character on someone who is actually autistic isn't "in the eyes of the viewer" and unwilling to look up the examples given to you I can't help you.
I'd say Vanellope doesn't have a mental disorder, but instead, it is an effect from being set off to the side and King Candy deleting her code. She never got to see outside of Sugar Rush because she was turned into a glitch because King Candy, or Turbo either 1) Turned her into a glitch or 2) that is literally her power.
Yeah lately I’ve seen people diagnosing characters that think they have a mental disorder when they don’t like with this one because she didn’t have her code in the system because he basically ripped her apart in the movie.
I loved Anne of Green Gables (the book) as a kid, because she was a kid who was just little too precocious for the comfort of the people around her. It made her seem odd to both kids and adults alike, but was trait that (as a precocious kid myself) I really valued. I loved that she was smart and plucky and saw a unique side of every situation. It made her less predictable and more real. I was like her and chose friends who were like her. While I was never diagnosed with autism and don’t think it fits me, many of those great childhood friends of mine were diagnosed later in life. I loved having friends with equally big vocabularies, who could imagine endlessly with me, who understood what was fair and unfair and didn’t play cliquey/mean social games like other kids. We all focused on the bigger things in life and felt mistreated when we got in trouble for small rules we broke while daydreaming about something more important and meaningful. I love that the character of Anne is so similar in the show to myself and my friends, and the actress does a fantastic job. Whether a kid is neurodivergent or just extremely precocious, it really isn’t easy. Smart kids, imaginative kids, dreamy kids, etc. deal with a lot of harshness from peers and teachers. It’s beautiful to see that journey represented so accurately. There is a scene in the book in which Anne’s friend’s mother thinks she is being made fun of because Anne uses a bunch of big words all in a row. That scene hit me like a ton of bricks as a kid. Some of my most painful memories are of watching my friends get reprimanded cruelly by teachers or other adults who were too frustrated with their quirks to see the wonderful intentions behind their actions. Witnessing that ruined my respect for authority and the school system really early on. A lot of people long to be the smart kid, but even adults end up jealous of, resentful of, and threatened by the intelligence of children. Characters like Anne and Matilda make me cry now as adult because the pain of suffering abuse due to what are honestly your talents is so brutal, so real, and yet so rarely talked about. There are usually only a few kids per school or grade that deal with that and they may never find each other to commiserate with. These characters are some of the best ever. ❤
Anne of Green Gables is NOT neurodivergent, she's just smart and interested in life, my God what is wrong with you people. All you do is diagnose everyone with your own diagnosis. I have a new one for you: narcissist.
How is Matilda autistic? She's smart and always had her head stuck in a book, but she is socially gifted too. She has no problems communicating or making friends with children or adults. She knows how to make people laugh, and her pranks can be quite manipulative. She has a strong and very natural understanding of the other charachters issues and how they might affect them. I just don't see any autistic traits in her, apart from perhaps her very strong sense of justice. If you are autistic and see yourself in the character Matilda that's great, but I wouldn't medicalise it. You are probably just brilliant. ♡
YES. I literally just played Matilda in my school production and her whole song of quiet really just sums up being overstimulated to the point where you can’t focus on anything. I’m actually ADHD, not autistic, but I still identified with parts of her character. Made her a lot easier to play.
My favorite is Abed from Community. People seem to ignore the fact he's canonically autistic because they say Asperger's (the show came out in 2009 okay) and he's literally me
It was subtly confirmed. He sings the lyric, "On the spectrum? None of your business" in the Christmas rap he did with Troy in the Glee-themed episode.
Yeeees also he's presented as so much more than his autism + his friendship with Troy is wholesome and the group is generally fine with his autistic traits, which is sweet
As an autistic writer, I love writing autistic characters into my stories. However, my friends have pointed out that it feels like I make all of my characters autistic. They do say art is a reflection of the artist tho :P
Also, idk about you, but being autistic personally I think it's hard to get fully into the mindset of a neurotypical person and write them well. So I accidentally make them at least a little on the spectrum 😭
We hate autistic coded characters that are just there to make fun of or exploit stereotypes about ND people but never confirmed so the showrunners can go "but we never said they're ND so it's not offensive"!! Especially if they're played by actors who then are ableist irl
My absolute favorite autistic coded characters are the Wonderlandians from Ever After High- Maddie Hatter, Kitty Cheshire, and Lizzie Hearts. Lizzie in the books was some of the most accurate autistic rep I'd ever read (struggles with eye contact and touch, takes things literally, communicates differently and is mocked for it, needs structure to function, gets along fine with other NDs but is misunderstood by NTs, feels like an alien) and Kitty felt VERY adhd (has good ideas but not enough of an attention span to see them through, is "terrified of being bored") Edit: Also, the entire conflict of Spring Unsprung was Kitty's mom telling her "You have so much potential if you just applied yourself"... look me in the eyes and tell me this girl is not ADHD!
Oml, what Kitty’s mom told her is almost exactly what my parents would tell me before we knew about my ADHD! I always felt like I wasn’t living up to my potential and their expectations and never knew why certain things were so hard for me but so easy for everyone else. Luckily now that I’m diagnosed they’re more understanding :)
Ok but I never thought of it like that and now it makes so much sense why I enjoyed the EAH books so much, especially the ones centred around wonderland and Lizzie. I guess maybe now I know I’m autistic, I sort of saw myself in her a bit? Honestly amazing take
@@hollyberry0602 Lizzie literally be like, "I feel like I communicate differently than everyone else. My brain functions differently than others, and no one other than Maddie and Kitty seems to understand how I function. People think I'm aloof and rude, and that I'm not interested in making friends, when really I try to make friends but am always misunderstood." And yet Mattel tries to play it off as "the reason Lizzie functions differently...is because she's Wonderlandian." Yeah, suuuure. Lizzie is one of my highest kins, I love her so much (especially in the book A Wonderlandiful World)
Yay! :D I've always tought that Vanelope glitches where like tics i have those and it makes me pretty happy that other people think she might be nerodivergent too! Alsow yes i know that "not every weird/quirky caracter is autistic" it just makes me happy and feel kind of seen to think of her that way
Yeah you get it. “”Autism coded”” is usually very intentional so often a stereotype :,( but there’s also characters who just happen to be autistic without the authors realising what they were doing lol
@@thelemondropgirl2140 It's because Autism shows itself in subtle ways that many of us probably never realised was Autism, and thus the people we hold dear to our hearts display themselves in characters we create for simply being themselves, and not their disability.
@@thelemondropgirl2140 Unfortunately the most common stereotypes seem to be that of an individual who has some special "redeeming" quality that makes up for their issues OR one that casts the person as a problem of one sort or another. Neither of which really represents most individuals experiences. --- Unlike a regular stereotype which offers some truth, even if it doesn't universally represent people and might be offensive, it seems like these seem to represent the outliers. Granted the focus is still probably the most visible/noticeable things
@@OvrStim1 autistic coded characters… a lot of the character she shows are simply a generalization on her part… that any eccentric colorful child, pixie girl… etc… is an “autistic coded character”… lovely buzz words. She’s offended that characters that she thinks are autistic exist because…. She thinks they’re autistic.
Being autism coded is decided by viewers though. Normally, these characters are just characters. They might have certain neurodivergent traits, but in their world, they are simply just another character with their own social perspective, emotions, thoughts, opinions etc. I think that it’s great that there’s no pressure for an official label or diagnosis for fictional characters because in real life, people are so much more than the diagnosis they’re given. Nobody has every single listed trait of neurodivergence, it’s an incredibly broad spectrum for a reason. By having characters with neurodivergent traits, but no real label, they can be representations for people who simply experience these same things. Natural variations in processing. We love to classify things, break them down to make them easier to understand. But in reality, most diagnoses are used to separate those who are “different” from those who are “normal.” Labels and diagnoses are a great way to understand more about yourself, but it can also end up like a checklist, a focus on a diagnosis and what parts of the diagnosis fit, rather than the person, who they are and their particular needs. Of course, there are times when this isn’t the case and some characters simply aren’t well done and are genuinely harmful (I know we can all name a few). But overall, I think part of the beauty of fictional characters is that you can decide for yourself
I feel personally called out (but in a good way idk what that is) every time he's on screen fr edit: ...The word I was looking for was that I relate to him
Donnatello from Rottmnt is my personal favorite autistic fictional character He was confirmed to be autistic, and is actually good representation cause he's a low empathy monotone autistic but, like, he still feels emotions he just has a hard time expressing it and his brothers know that, as well as his aversion to touch, and they respect it and love him unconditionally
Crazy how the ONLY characters that are confirmed autistic are either supposed caricatures OR are in a comedy. Atypical, Sheldon, Rain Man. They don’t take us seriously.
@@janesullivan692 well I was thinking that when I said Rain Man. point is they’re written like jokes even if they’re “tragic” because nobody takes us seriously as human beings
what’s worse is sheldon is confirmed non autistic. i love the big bang theory franchise, but i don’t like the stereotype and them avoiding the label. the producers confirmed he’s not autistic, despite the stereotypes. however, most of his traits are very severe ocd traits, so maybe he just does have a very severe form of ocd. miyam bialik did say she is okay with the lack of an official diagnosis for the characters because these types of things don’t need to be ‘solved’ or medicated. there is no cure for autism, and the lack of an official diagnosis in the show, i’d happily take any day over the infamous girl meets world autism approach.
Julia from Sesame Street? A Boy Called Po? Ocean Heaven? Not to mention when big names like Disney come out with autistic characters (like Renee from Loop) they don't do well because actual neurodivergent people don't watch them. Don't act like you know every film character. Around 157 million people have autism. About 1 in 50. That's a fair chunk of people. And the neurodivergent numbers are MUCH higher, about 1 in 5.
@@january._.I think Sheldon’s character causes a lot of unnecessary drama. He isn’t autistic as confirmed by writers, but psychologists have studied his character and suggested various other theories for what’s goin on with him. The most accepted is Severe OCD and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Other diagnoses include borderline personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder.
pretty sure vanellope has "pixslexia" which is obv dyslexia, and know this cause whenever taffeta is talking to her shes like "I've just got pixslexia"
I think that although pixslexia is a play on "pixel" and "dyslexia", I'd argue that the condition itself is more akin to tourettes as dyslexia focuses on a difficulty of reading letters and words
@@s2sHoXXs2her pixslexia is caused by king candy removing her code from the game, she does t have Tourette’s as her pixslexia gets fixed in the second movie
My favorite thing about rise of the tmnt is how they made Donnie canonically autistic but didn’t make it so obvious or so easily trying to get rep points like THANK YOU FOR SOME ACTUALLY DECENT AUTISTIC REP like yes I get how some don’t think Donnie is good autistic rep, but honestly for me as someone who loves robotics and doesn’t emote much in vocal tone or make many faces with emotion, he’s amazing.
Newt Scamander is definitely autistic, but since the time set was at a time where ASD wasn't really known, ig we'll never know if he is autistic or not
People used to do it to characters without even realizing what they were doing. For example, the dad in back to the future. I'm pretty sure they knew they were making him one of those "weird" kids. Everything about him screams autism. They just didn't realize that those "weird" kids were actually autistic.
Essentially autism doesn't have a code but coded characters are characters that have traits resembling and or referencing them being and or having something such as blushing, mannerisms, movement, speaking, etc. Even if it's not stated the creators made sure it could be taken from the character that they may be something
One time my teacher said that if we used 100% of our brain power we can move objects, i wanted to ask her if she had been watching Matilda or something
I don't even notice if a character is autism coded, I just see a character I relate to/like and just go :mmmm yess, they have the tism Edit: okay wow, even half a year later I still get replies haha. To all those taking my comment seriously: read some of the replies where I explain what I meant and how it wasn't all that serious. This was just meant to be a light-hearted comment about how u connect with characters. I'm not pushing my headcannons in other people, I'm not even saying they make any sense. I don't see the harm in what I do/think as long as I don't state what I think as fact. I'm sorry to all of you with negative experiences or to those that think what I do is bad/cringe
@@bugbear2357 that genuinely made me so happy that someone else understands, whenever I try to talk with people about it they just shrug it off and change the subject or just call me weird for liking a kids show. Thank you random RUclips comment
I personally really like Peridot and Entrapta. They are stereotypical in ways but I don’t feel like they comply to the common negative autism tropes. Peridot really helped me accept my identity when I was first diagnosed. As for Entrapta, she’s one of the most relatable characters of all time to me and it was beautiful to see how they portrayed how even though she expresses herself differently she does love her friends and even with the horde working with the main villains she stayed a good person
I love Entrapta SOOO much!!!!!! I collect fan made Entrapta items and she is one of my fav characters ever!! I was first coming to terms with being autistic when I first watched She-Ra and even tho my autistic traits are different than Entrapta's there is still a relatability there. Her preference for tiny food makes me SO happy. I love minis of everything! I personally think "stereotypical characters" are only bad when it is framed in a negative, jokingly, or incorrect way. Her being more stereotypical doesn't make her a caricature of autistic people, it just puts some of the more well known autistic traits on display (along with some lesser known traits!) Sorry for the paragraph! I just love Entrapta soooo much!!
I knew someone was gonna mention peridot and entrapta, I am not sure if I am autistic, but I do have ADHD and Anxiety and very much relate to these characters
There was one character from one of my childhood shows, that I never would have noticed was autism coded until I got older and started to learn more about autism and neurodivergance. It is Dennis from Dinosaur Train
Bro, you don’t understand how fast my charge dropped when you showed Anne on there like I relate to her so much it’s scary and for her to be on there I was like👁️👄👁️ 👀
Okay but what about wall-e. I relate to that mfucker to an unusual amount, like more than any other character (including autistic coded ones) in media. He’s just so 🥺.
He’s a robot though, I don’t think he applies for asd coding because he isn’t human, he can’t develop neurodivergent disorders that are unique to humans. I agree with you though, I love wall-e sm
@@hamstersareswag well in fairness he is extremely humanized, it definitely wasn’t intentional to code him that way either. But even his little movements, they match a lot of my autistic tendencies. The way he diverts from the norm as well. I didn’t even realize until i rewatched the movie recently. I just relate to his experience a whole lot and the way he seems to experience the world. If he were human he’d probably have autism.
YOU'RE SO UNDERRATED! I love topics love this, AND I LOVE ABBOTT ELEMENTARY. You went all out for this video, i wish more people could see this and watch the show.
For those of you guys looking for a new COMFIRMED autistic character whose done REALLY WELL look at Twyla in the new Monster High show! She’s confirmed in show to be autistic and she’s portrayed so well!
@@insecticaai’m autistic, and i kinda feel like matilda doesnt really have many autistic traits. she’s just young and smart, yes she does like reading, but there are a very limited number of traits she shares. not saying it’s impossible, but i just don’t really see it. could be because i’m autistic and idk whats normal and whats not lmao
@@insecticaaNo they're not 😭. Why tf do yall do this?? Like someone cant be smart or good at something at a young age without yall being like "they have a bit of the tism dont they" LIKE STFU. YES autistic people can often be VERY smart and INCREDIBLE at things that are unthinkable but that doesn't mean that most of the smart population is fucking autistic. What is wrong with yall???? Omfg.
As a writer who is neurodivergent, spends a lot of time with fellow neurodivergent, dated, lived with, and grew up with neurodivergent people: I feel like I accidentally code characters as such. Like, they end up being depicted as potentially being autistic or have ADHD or BPD or one of the very big parts of my life or the lives of those close to me seeping into my characters simply through experiencing it as a normal part of my everyday life; and it isn’t until later when I take a moment to think about the character where I’m like “oh…I think I accidentally made them autistic coded…ya know, I’ll let people interpret and connect to them in a way that works best for them. I won’t say they do in fact have it, but I will say it’s possible.”
Reminds me of the webcomic _El Goonish Shive._ At one point or another, people have asked Dan Shive "Is (Character) autistic?" about almost every single main character, and probably some supporting characters too. And usually their reason for asking is some trait they have that is based on himself or that he relates to. Being asked this so much has made him think about whether he himself might be autistic. (He doesn't know. He's so old now, and is so different from when he was growing up, and has been compensating for his potentially-autistic traits for so long, that he's not sure there's any point in trying to find out.) The comic also frequently deals with themes of being different (sometimes in a hidden way) and how to deal with that, the effects of being forced to hide who you are, the arguments for and against doing that, whether your differences define you or not, how much we should be willing to tolerate differences (especially ones we don't understand), etc. So yeah. People seem to always put themselves in their writing, even without meaning to or knowing it.
I might have accidentally done this plenty of times too But with bipolar and the intense mood swings... Incidentally number of npd or aspd characters tho i'm not, nor know anyone with it (unless there is something i'm missing here lol) But yeah, is the realization of "... Wait a second, this looks familiar..." Characters i made way before getting a diagnosis, should have noticed something but it was so normal to me. Projecting this and that subconsciously ig?
Anne my absolute beloved. I didn’t know people saw her as autistic too, I just knew she was possibly one of the earliest adhd coded characters. It’s led to speculation over whether Lucy maud Montgomery herself could have had adhd as well, as there’s testaments to her having been similar to Anne. I think people have even used Anne as evidence that adhd isn’t just a modern disorder created by technology or invented to sell meds, which I think is so great
I'm not on the spectrum (as far as I know), but I'm really confused as to why people believe she's autistic. She uses and understands subtle social cues often, doesn't have any ritualistic or rigid behaviors, and immediately wants to become friends with Diana and others -- at least in the books. I always interpreted "kindred spirit" to mean she finds people to have deeper and more meaningful conversations with and can connect with them on a different level than someone like Mrs. Lynde, which I also feel -- I can tell when I'm with someone on the same wavelength as me. I'm happy autistic people identify with her if they see some aspects of her personality in themselves, but I just never found evidence in the books to support it, personally.
@@suckedintothevoidi mean autistic people can be extroverted and esspecislly women on the Spektrum tend to be able to read social Clues Either ASD, ADHD or both or something Else. She is most definetily neuro divergent.
she can DEFINITELY be read as autistic. she has a lot of autistic traits, and a lot of plot points hinge on those autistic traits. i can see an argument for ADHD, but some of her key characteristics include misunderstanding social cues, fixating on details, communication differences (her precocious long-winded speeches in place of a more traditionally allistic back-and-forth, and her use of tone being starkly contrasted with other characters to comedic effect), literal interpretations of figurative speech, ritualistic thinking and interaction, peer-to-peer social difficulties which go as far as severe bullying and outcasting, her unusual relationship with honesty, adults seeing her as "odd" or generally off-putting, dyspraxia, some evidence of later-stage gestalt language processing, pathological demand avoidance, and hyperlexia. SO much hyperlexia. just to name a few. if you have ADHD and see yourself in her, that's great! doesn't mean she's not autistic-coded or that you're the only person who's ever read the book.
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG yes, definitely. i was only disagreeing with the assertion that she "wasn't autistic." like i said, i can see the argument for adhd too, especially from someone who has it seeing themself reflected in the book.
@@asterling4what's great is that, considering how old the book is, Anne wasn't created as "a neurodivergent character", but rather she was inspired by odd kids irl and yet did them justice so well we can now speculate with lots of evidence what exact kind of neurodivergence it was.
Omg I just finished heart break high and it was amazing I can’t wait for season two and I can’t believe you didn’t put Quiny in considering you played her and how lovely of a character she is ❤
FOR REALLLL why is no one talking about her?? i was rewatching heartstopper and rereading solitaire and. wow. that is so AUTISM!!!!!!! (coming from a depressed autistic)
@@AYE_S I know but it’s important to note that some characters like Tori canonically have severe depression and some characters like Isaac canonically have autism
M favourite character in heartbreak high was quinnie! I feel that i have a better understanding of autism when i see shows that really delve deep into autistic characters
I watched "Anne with an E" for the first time in 8th grade and it became my comfort show, because I've never related to a character so much in my entire life! Pointing at Anne would probably be the only way I could ever explain how I view the world around me. I got diagnosed with ADHD 4-5 years after that and it makes way more sense to me now!
And not with just Anne's world view, but her emotional world and the way she reacts to things! I don't have ASD, but I totally relate to her with my ADHD characteristics!
As a gifted kid (who suspects that they have ASD), I haven’t seen the musical, but I was absolutely obsessed with the movie!! I think I was in middle school when I first watched it and it instantly became my favorite movie because I could finally relate to a character; someone who is under-stimulated from not having challenging work in school, and who quickly progressed in reading from a young age! I’m currently almost a junior now, and I still love Matilda to this day!
English is my second language and I thought you meant characters as in letters in the alphabet. I was like "Autistic people have their own alphabet? Today I learned I guess... Oh now that makes a lot more sense"
Aww omg this short makes me wanna hug my cousin. She's on the spectrum and LOVES matilda. Although i'm not sure if it's because she relates to the main character matilda or if she relates to matilda's family dynamic. God do i miss her. Makes me so sad when i can't cheer her on and talk about her favorite hobbies. She's so sweet and caring. It really softens my heart when i'm able to hang out with her. The pains of growing up 🥹
Right like this show I watched where I hated the mom because she cheated on her husband and her excuse was “It’s just so hard having an autistic son” I think they should have made her the villain
Always wondered how much of this is just because the characters were never meant to be autistic. Obviously someone who's just a little under-socialized or a bit fastidious isn't going to represent the autistic experience; they represent the experience of people who are under-socialized and a bit fastidious
Matilda taught me that if you autism’d hard enough, you could move things with your mind
What. Could you explain how she is autistic.
@@meowwaffles6040i mean i think it kinda makes sense she could have my Asperger‘s or something like that she was just super smart and read from a very young age, different from a lot of other kids & different from her whole family so i don’t think it was like too much but i can DEFINITELY see some aspects of autism
@@sidlusk6713 she was meant to be superhumanly gifted. That doesn't mean autism.
@@meowwaffles6040 it could’ve been hinted people just assume i was just giving my perspective
Ajajajajaj lmao same
Vanellope definitely was made to have tourettes in video game character form. Her glitches always acted up when she was in a stress inducing situation or an exciting one.
Yes. I always felt it was cool visibility for Tourette's
But she said she had Pixlexia .
Omg i didnt notice this that was actually autistic coded
@@RealisticMon Exactly, we need more Pixlexia visibility
As someone with Tourette’s I totally agree with you
Matilda taught us all a very important lesson in life: If you intensify your autism enough, you get telekinesis powers.
this is true i autism'd hard and now i have telekinetic powers! /j
@@zipbomberi have autism, but no telekinesis powers, man this shit sucks
Tbh, I consider Matilda a magical girl.
Nah nah, she taught us to WEAPONIZE the autism 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Telekinipsis*
the realest and most legitimately autism coded character is abed nadir
First off, I’m happy that someone finally mentioned abed, second, he does technically have autism. I’m pretty sure it’s canon that he had Asperger’s when the show came out, and now Asperger’s is included in autism, so yeah technically he does
you get it 😭❤️
Nah entrapta from she ra
Red Guy being the autistic little traumatized bean that he is
He's canon so therefore not coded
Seeing Anne interact with Matthew is seeing two neurodivergent people connecting and that made me SO happy. It's just adorable.
YEEEESSS!!!
YES
I loved it! It was so amazing and emotional and I could relate to both of them so much. I think these coded characters are great when done like this so that people who don't yet realize they're ND might have something to relate to without feeling that unfortunate ingrained bias they might have against autism and its stereotypes.
yess!
Wait, she’s neurodivergent? I have heard of the series before, but never watched it for some reason. Now I think I will
Vanelopee always reminded of stuttering. It's nice that there are so many perspectives of what her glitches mean.
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I have a stutter that doesn't make me autistic
I have a bad stutter and in no way do I relate to vanellope or her problems. She doesnt represent neurodivergent problems in the slightest and people are reading into this way too hard. Plus, even if it was a stutter, stutters are not autism!
@@bovineintervention6001 Exactly what I'm saying! These people try and take offense or relate to people with disabilities and they get it wrong! In no way are either of us autistic and the people who made the movie were not trying to give characters 'autism codes'
@@Mission7630Wait having a stutter and having autism are... different things?! 😱 Ur joking!!!
Donatello was actually confirmed autistic after rise of the tmnt was cancelled, but he was a good example of autistic coding while the show ran
Found the rise Donnie comment.
Not every intelligent and socially awkward character who is a nerd is autistic
I was looking for this comment lol
DONATELLO?!!!! HES MY 2ND FAV NINJA TURTLEEEE
IKR!!
Accidental autism coding is often a lot better than intentional when the media is made by an allistic bc when they intentionally code the characters as autistic it’s usually really badly done but when they just add traits to a character that happen to be autistic traits but the creator doesn’t know that, the character gets to be an actual person and not just a stereotype
I hate the autistic coded characters that are never confirmed to be autistic but were made to be very stereotypical. I love the characters that weren’t intentionally make to be autistic and collectively all autistic people decided that they’re one of us
Edit: ok to clear everything I said up: I hate the characters that are only made very stereotypical and have been given very neuro divergent traits and are made to be a weirdo or outcast. Even if they are canonically ND (Sheldon cooper, The good doctor etc). Yes, these characters represent and I’m happy to have representation. However I would more diversity on the spectrum, because many people see these characters and have no other knowledge of autism and so assume everyone with autism acts the way they do. A way I will compare it so it makes sense to some of you if I’m every TV show they made the girls blonde, shoe obsessed, pink loving, make up obsessed and an hour glass figure. Sure, some girls are like that, wonderful. But girls (like those with autism) are human beings and they can have a personality other than bimbo. And ND people can have a personality other than extremely smart but socially awkward. I love the character that show the diversity of autism but weren’t purposefully meant to (tangleds Rapunzel). Those of us with autism appreciate seeing the similarities and being able to relate to a character.
Sheldon vs Rapunzel for as long as I know as an (allegedly) neurotypical
@@Froggyqueer37 can i recommend brandon sanderson books? Namely mistborn (athough the autistic charecter only shows up in book 4) and stormlight archives. Best autistic rep ever
@@queerqueen098 wait, which character in mistborn?
Like Thrawn from Star Wars. I read the 2 new-canon trilogies before I got my autism diagnosis and well I didn’t see it, then I re-read them and I was like “hold on a minute”
@@queerqueen098oh wait, could you tell me which characters? i ve read those books but i didnt realised...
I think autism coded is fine, tbh, so long as they aren't stereotypes. You don't need a character to explicitly talk about/confirm being autistic for the audience to understand that they are meant to be autistic, and the character can still be relatable and enjoyable while still being coded.
I remember people loved RotTMNT's Donatello because he was so well-written and such a realistic portrayal of autism, even before it was confirmed that he was autistic.
Yea apparently Sheldon is NOT autistic
✋🏻😑
Same with Marcy Wu in Amphibia. Even the crew didn’t know they coded her autistic, but they loved the idea so much it’s unofficially canon. Not sure whether this is the case with other well-written autistic characters, but it seems to be working.
YES YES
I think there should be autistic characters that say they are autistic and it’s well known and some that never say it and it’s only discussed outside of the media. Balance. Both
@sugarandspic3 he's not :( writers confirm that Sheldon, in both shows, is NOT Autistic, was never supposed to be.
as someone with autism, someone today said " no offense, but you don't look autistic" I cried 💀✋
How exactly are you supposed to LOOK AUTISTIC WHAT
EXACTLY!! 😅😂😂
@@brrmbrrmmthe people saying that probably think it’s a skin disease or smth idk
@@brrmbrrmmthey’re thinking of stereotypical disabled features. Think of that one movie Sia made. They’re thinking of that.
That’s good though? It just means people don’t notice that you’re different from others.
Don’t forget the entire Steven Universe cast 😭
Im ngl that show is just so cringy
@@teddydanoodledog48cuz it’s a childrens show
Lol yeah!
@@teddydanoodledog48why
@@V1DE0-STARZ idk it just is to me
Lilo from Lilo and Stitch most definitely falls into this category.
- She has rituals (feeding pudge the fish a peanut butter sandwich on Wednesdays)
- socialization difficulties (mertil & co)
- trouble reading social cues (she told the social worker far more than she should have and didn't understand why Nani was trying to stop her)
- Elvis and collecting photos of tourists are her special interests.
- she connects more with animals than people (Stitch),
- emotional irregularities (biting mertil & dramatically playing music/describing how sad she was when Nani didn't allow her to get her way)
Nani saying "they won't understand her" as her defense as to why Lilo should stay in her custody when the social worker was taking her away also hit home. As her primary caretaker, Nani knows how Lilo operates. Others will likely get frustrated and treat Lilo poorly if they are unaware or unwilling to support her needs.
Ugh, such a great movie
Omg.. never thought of this and I'm... 🥺🥺🥺 I love this omg This makes me love Lilo and Stitch sm more 😭😭💖💖💖
Not to argue because i agree, but the feeding Pudge is because she believes Pudge controls the weather and a storm is what took away/k*lled her parents so she doesn't want something like that to happen again. So she feeds Pudge.
Or. Or. She’s traumatized
@@ameliarose47 OCD
@@ameliarose47 That’s actually sad 😭
honestly I love characters that can be read as autistic, but aren't necessarily written with that intention. makes me feel like the traits are becoming much more normalised
Bitch Matilda had telekinesis, who tf are you kidding?
No they very intentionally made that way…
Like Sheldon from big bang theory or young Sheldon. I’m autistic as well as most people in my family and we all suspect he is but writers say he wasn’t intended to be.
@@noralejtnerokay? So? It’s not harming anyone - it’s a head cannon. Let people live. We just want representation.
@@quziia They didn't say anything wrong, they just said that people who don't have autism can also have those traits. They didn't say that having a head cannon about this wasn't okay or anything bruh
If “i HaVe ThE aUtISm” is their only character trait, that just a poorly written character and most likely a poorly written movie altogether.😂
Vanellope! I definitely see Vanellope being a glitch an allegory for neuro-diversity and disabilities.
When she refused to give up her glitch and refused become a princess and saying “This is me!”and really embracing her glitching was honestly so inspiring and strong for me as an Autistic girl. It really moved me.
RUclips is getting a little too comfortable with the zero comments glitch
Yessa
Not this vid but happens half the time 💕
I thought it was just me
NO FRICKIN WAY ME TOOOOO
I always get so confused when it happens and then when it actually doesn’t have any comments I feel almost lied to for some reason even though it said 0 comments
I never saw Anna as autistic coded but rather c-ptsd, which has major overlap with symptoms of autism and is definitely a kind neurodivergency. The overlap between ptsd autism and adhd symptoms is fascinating to me, especially as someone who has 2 of them
a lot of that "overlap" is more... accidental ableist misinformation. and AuDHD folks with internalized ableism struggling to accept that they have autistic traits. medical information paints a very different picture.
autistic traits include things like gestalt language processing or other atypical language processing, difficulty processing/understanding social cues, restricted/repetitive behaviors and interests, dependence on routines and extreme sensory sensitivities (sensory-seeking or sensory-avoidant behavior).
adhd traits revolve around either hyperactivity or inattentivity. difficulty starting, finishing, or switching tasks, difficulty with organization, etc. & social/communication problems can arise from these symptoms (talking too fast for other people, struggling to fit into a normal conversation flow, inattentivity results in missing important social cues, etc) but these are not diagnostic and present very differently from autism. no adhd traits involve inherent sociocommunication deficits or differences.
c-ptsd traits include avoidance, re-experiencing, hypervigilance, and a negative view of self/others which can lead to social impairment. sometimes a lil dissociation to boot. while social impairment _may_ be a common experience to both, again, it isn't diagnostic but rather a common consequence, it presents differently, and it stems from completely different places. social problems caused by c-ptsd are more akin to those caused by depression or anxiety or any other mental illness. i.e. most sick people struggle with relationships.
what's actually common between adhd, autism, and c-ptsd is _comorbidity._ many, many people have both adhd and autism, but one of those is a little easier to come to terms with than the other. and many people with adhd and autism end up with childhoods that lead to c-ptsd.
Not disagreeing with you, but trauma also can rewire the brain in a way that mimics ADHD. Someone can meet diagnostic criteria for both while only having one
Also sensory processing difficulties (overstimulation, hypervigilance, in general not processing what’s heard, etc) and executive dysfunction are things that can happen in all three as well
It can definitely be a mess to sort out when considering multiple diagnoses at play. It’s the exact problem my partner and I are having with distinguishing between the (two or) three in a professional setting. But as with many things, it’s a process, and isn’t as straightforward as people might think. I definitely agree on the “one is easier to accept than the other” thing. I’m in a fine place of acceptance now, but I see it in play with my partner as well. And there’s definitely no shame in any or all of these diagnoses. Just in case anyone is reading this who relates. Find the tools that help, regardless of which “category” it fits in with, since it might be more than one anyway
@@Frostfire1031 yeah, i agree with you too. sorting out the diagnoses can be confusing and certain aspects of them _can_ absolutely present similarly sometimes. i just wanted to highlight the differences, which are there and are important, and the internalized ableist narrative that i see touted a lot by leftists about adhd vs autism. cause it's important to be aware of!
i wish you and your partner luck, my wife and i also have some ridiculous neurodivergency mixes that have been wild to sort out and address at once.
"Um actually, it is Anne, with an " *E* ." 🤓
Same! I mean, it's fascinating to me too. And the 'overlap,' or co-morbidity, as the case may be, with borderline (and which is even more highly stigmatized).
Vanellope with her tics was so real and relatable now that I look back
anne was my realisation that that was not how everyone feels, thinks, and acts. Finally, I am diagnosed, for nearly two years. I won't forget how that character might have saved my life
literally begging people to understand that just because a character has certain attributes that are associated with autism, doesnt automatically mean they're "autism coded" some people are just socially anxious and weird, it doesnt mean theyre neurodivergent
please this is EXACTLY what i want to say without diminishing the fact that many neuro divergent people see themselves in them. like I don’t think I’m neurodivergent but have a very similar personality/traits to some of these ‘autism coded’ characters and I see myself in them. when people start claiming they’re autistic or autism coded I just start to feel as though I can’t really see myself in that character without feeling like I’m pretending to be something I’m not and it sucks :(
anyways baby rants HAGSVSG thank you for this comment
@@cayennepepIt doesnt matter if you dont’t have autism and some characters u relate to do. First off, everyone is saying that they’re probably autistic or autistic coded. You’re free to relate to these characters regardless. The characters being autistic (which is, yk, a headcannon) shouldn’t hinder you from relating to them.
@@insecticaanot everyone is autistic, u sound like u think ur quirky, u urself r probably self diagnosed
@@insecticaa Its not that a character being autistic means omg I can't relate to them anymore, or even that it's bad for a neurodivergent person to relate to and see themselves in a character that wasn't written to be explicitly neurodivergent. It's that it's getting a bit weird how people treat autism as an uwu cute character quirk that you can assign to people or characters on a whim. Especially when the traits that always get called out are very normal things like "has a hobby that they're passionate about" or "acts a bit awkward sometimes" or "is 'weird'".
@@incognitoburrito6020as an autistic person, it's SO hard to find well written autistic representation in media so we kinda have to make it ourselves (ex. finding autistic traits in characters that are not explicitly portrayed as autistic). i've been doing it since i was a little kid without even realizing. no, autism is not a uwu quirky !! trait and it makes life very difficult a lot of the time, so finding a character that we relate to bc they have ND traits can help us feel better about it! we are not saying that NT people can't be socially awkward or ""weird"", we just relate to those characters more because they're the only good autism representation
I think it’s somewhat realistic to have characters show several signs of autism or other disorders and never have it confirmed or have it confirmed later in the story or after the time their story is set to end because in real life people don’t always know of their own disorders and don’t have diagnosis or don’t get diagnosed until later in life, or someone may have a diagnosis but not be open about it to everyone they talk to or work with so others around them might notice their neurodivergent signs but be unaware of any actual diagnosis
If the intention was realism, yes, but most of the time the creators are just baiting neurodivergent fans while appeasing the neurotypical audience. That or some creators don’t want an autistic/neurodivergent character so they apply the “””cute”””/marketable aspects like hyperactivity or “shyness” while not using the less marketable symptoms like meltdowns, which only further hurts autistic/ND rep.
@@onyourleft4194Not all autistic people have meltdowns you know
@@onyourleft4194what? I promise you “neurotypicals” don’t care lmfao. Idk what ur on about w appeasing. They’re literally just characters
@@OhLatte i'm not saying the neurotypical audience cares abt that kind of stuff, just that the execs/creators do. and when it comes to the creation of media the execs' opinions and wants tend to take priority over the audience's (not that the audience isn't listened to, the fact of the matter is the execs are listened to *more*)
edit: typo
Controversial opinion: Characters are coded by the *viewers*
The viewers assert their thoughts on them and makes headcannons of what they could be and how they appear to them.
(ex. Spongebob being considered as an individual with ADHD, or the Winnie Pooh analogy on mental health, illnesses and neurodivergency.)
Controversial because it's wrong. Especially regarding ND characters, the character is often written based on someone the writer knew who was ND, it was just atm unknown/undiagnosed or they didn't want to label it for whatever reason. Example: Abed from Community or Dr Brennan from Bones, both based on autistic people, but never labeled in the series, this makes them autism coded.
@@i.cs.zamodits People don't lie when they say that confidence will not make you sound wiser than the fox.
Quite ironic too that you use the terms "Undiagnosed" and "Unknown". It just reinforces my point of view even more. Autism/ND coding is asserted by the viewers, and if it wasn't, then the author would have officialized it. Period.
@@ILoveMenWayTooMuch Being cinfidently wrong doesn't make you smart..
I try to rephrase so you can comprehend: I gave you two characters, who are officially written based on aztistic people, and the writers acknowledged that, just outside if the show they apoear in. Comprende? Are you insisting that the characters based on real life people only coded that was because of the audiance?
It's not stereotypes dear, it's how real life ND people are, but because a lot of networks have a thing for not labeling the obvious, that's the result.
You are not "controversial" you are just plain wrong and dense. Period.
@@i.cs.zamodits And so my first analogy resonated.
That's a lot of yap to protect what is literally called headcannoning by the masses. But sorry sweetie, "inspired from" does not mean "is". Pretty dense of you.
See ya. ❤
Edit: Also, I talked about characters like Spongebob and other media characters that are NOT confirmed to be ND at all, people did. The characters you've given me are just autistic, not coded.
@@ILoveMenWayTooMuch I'm very glad we can agree that your own analogy perfectly fits you.
But as people say, stupidity is like death, it doesn't hurt you just the people around you. If you can't understand that the writer basing a character on someone who is actually autistic isn't "in the eyes of the viewer" and unwilling to look up the examples given to you I can't help you.
I'd say Vanellope doesn't have a mental disorder, but instead, it is an effect from being set off to the side and King Candy deleting her code. She never got to see outside of Sugar Rush because she was turned into a glitch because King Candy, or Turbo either 1) Turned her into a glitch or 2) that is literally her power.
Yeah lately I’ve seen people diagnosing characters that think they have a mental disorder when they don’t like with this one because she didn’t have her code in the system because he basically ripped her apart in the movie.
I loved Anne of Green Gables (the book) as a kid, because she was a kid who was just little too precocious for the comfort of the people around her. It made her seem odd to both kids and adults alike, but was trait that (as a precocious kid myself) I really valued. I loved that she was smart and plucky and saw a unique side of every situation. It made her less predictable and more real. I was like her and chose friends who were like her. While I was never diagnosed with autism and don’t think it fits me, many of those great childhood friends of mine were diagnosed later in life. I loved having friends with equally big vocabularies, who could imagine endlessly with me, who understood what was fair and unfair and didn’t play cliquey/mean social games like other kids. We all focused on the bigger things in life and felt mistreated when we got in trouble for small rules we broke while daydreaming about something more important and meaningful.
I love that the character of Anne is so similar in the show to myself and my friends, and the actress does a fantastic job. Whether a kid is neurodivergent or just extremely precocious, it really isn’t easy. Smart kids, imaginative kids, dreamy kids, etc. deal with a lot of harshness from peers and teachers. It’s beautiful to see that journey represented so accurately.
There is a scene in the book in which Anne’s friend’s mother thinks she is being made fun of because Anne uses a bunch of big words all in a row. That scene hit me like a ton of bricks as a kid. Some of my most painful memories are of watching my friends get reprimanded cruelly by teachers or other adults who were too frustrated with their quirks to see the wonderful intentions behind their actions. Witnessing that ruined my respect for authority and the school system really early on. A lot of people long to be the smart kid, but even adults end up jealous of, resentful of, and threatened by the intelligence of children. Characters like Anne and Matilda make me cry now as adult because the pain of suffering abuse due to what are honestly your talents is so brutal, so real, and yet so rarely talked about. There are usually only a few kids per school or grade that deal with that and they may never find each other to commiserate with. These characters are some of the best ever. ❤
Me as well! I remember my grandma would read it to me over and over again because I liked it so much!
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will you please be my bestie 😭
this was just.. beautiful... and so so real!
Okay I’m not gonna read that in case there’s spoilers but I plan to read it at some point and have heard it’s good!
Anne of Green Gables is NOT neurodivergent, she's just smart and interested in life, my God what is wrong with you people. All you do is diagnose everyone with your own diagnosis. I have a new one for you: narcissist.
How is Matilda autistic? She's smart and always had her head stuck in a book, but she is socially gifted too. She has no problems communicating or making friends with children or adults. She knows how to make people laugh, and her pranks can be quite manipulative. She has a strong and very natural understanding of the other charachters issues and how they might affect them. I just don't see any autistic traits in her, apart from perhaps her very strong sense of justice.
If you are autistic and see yourself in the character Matilda that's great, but I wouldn't medicalise it. You are probably just brilliant. ♡
I agree with you :) She was able to make friends with Lavender in the Musical, Book and Show.
Listen to the song quiet from Matilda. Then u would understand more
@@Idkwhattowrite2024 Yes, but I think that it relates more to stress. But honestly, it relates to anything. It can even go far to burn out or autism
@@JustBanana_SGNah, the lyricist behind Quiet literally wrote that song thinking of/for his autistic daughter 😑
@@PrinceStellan Ohhh, thanks for telling me. I didn't know, sorry-
YES. I literally just played Matilda in my school production and her whole song of quiet really just sums up being overstimulated to the point where you can’t focus on anything. I’m actually ADHD, not autistic, but I still identified with parts of her character. Made her a lot easier to play.
My favorite is Abed from Community. People seem to ignore the fact he's canonically autistic because they say Asperger's (the show came out in 2009 okay) and he's literally me
It was subtly confirmed. He sings the lyric, "On the spectrum? None of your business" in the Christmas rap he did with Troy in the Glee-themed episode.
Hehe ass burger
I'm sorry I had to
Yeeees also he's presented as so much more than his autism + his friendship with Troy is wholesome and the group is generally fine with his autistic traits, which is sweet
I was looking for you, dissapointed it took so much scrolling to find an abed fan
@@bellacataline8506 same abed was my first thought i love him
As an autistic writer, I love writing autistic characters into my stories. However, my friends have pointed out that it feels like I make all of my characters autistic. They do say art is a reflection of the artist tho :P
Also, idk about you, but being autistic personally I think it's hard to get fully into the mindset of a neurotypical person and write them well. So I accidentally make them at least a little on the spectrum 😭
@@MadAliceInWonderlandSame here
my friends will ask me if my characters are autistic when i make no effort to write them that way LMAO it's our curse
This lol
@@MadAliceInWonderlandthat's completely okay !! writing is an art form and if NT people want NT characters, they can read works from NT authors
Fav autistic character gotta be Entrapta. She's got my ADHD hyperactive autism traits that I really feel represented by
We hate autistic coded characters that are just there to make fun of or exploit stereotypes about ND people but never confirmed so the showrunners can go "but we never said they're ND so it's not offensive"!! Especially if they're played by actors who then are ableist irl
I hate when people call characters "neurodivergent" and the reason is because they have a slightly weird personality 😂
the princess from wreck it ralph was literally just high on sugar im pretty sure
@@walmartiancheese4922 I always thought that about vanellope tbh
I just call characters neurodivergent because I'm neurodivergent and I project myself onto them 😭 let us have fun /lh /nm
@@lizzieheartswifeandgf Yeah, it’s fun to see yourself in people
@@lizzieheartswifeandgfThat’s called narcissism.
My absolute favorite autistic coded characters are the Wonderlandians from Ever After High- Maddie Hatter, Kitty Cheshire, and Lizzie Hearts. Lizzie in the books was some of the most accurate autistic rep I'd ever read (struggles with eye contact and touch, takes things literally, communicates differently and is mocked for it, needs structure to function, gets along fine with other NDs but is misunderstood by NTs, feels like an alien) and Kitty felt VERY adhd (has good ideas but not enough of an attention span to see them through, is "terrified of being bored")
Edit: Also, the entire conflict of Spring Unsprung was Kitty's mom telling her "You have so much potential if you just applied yourself"... look me in the eyes and tell me this girl is not ADHD!
OMFG that makes so much sense!/pos
Oml, what Kitty’s mom told her is almost exactly what my parents would tell me before we knew about my ADHD! I always felt like I wasn’t living up to my potential and their expectations and never knew why certain things were so hard for me but so easy for everyone else.
Luckily now that I’m diagnosed they’re more understanding :)
Ok but I never thought of it like that and now it makes so much sense why I enjoyed the EAH books so much, especially the ones centred around wonderland and Lizzie.
I guess maybe now I know I’m autistic, I sort of saw myself in her a bit?
Honestly amazing take
YES MY GIRLSSS
@@hollyberry0602 Lizzie literally be like, "I feel like I communicate differently than everyone else. My brain functions differently than others, and no one other than Maddie and Kitty seems to understand how I function. People think I'm aloof and rude, and that I'm not interested in making friends, when really I try to make friends but am always misunderstood." And yet Mattel tries to play it off as "the reason Lizzie functions differently...is because she's Wonderlandian." Yeah, suuuure.
Lizzie is one of my highest kins, I love her so much (especially in the book A Wonderlandiful World)
Yay! :D I've always tought that Vanelope glitches where like tics i have those and it makes me pretty happy that other people think she might be nerodivergent too! Alsow yes i know that "not every weird/quirky caracter is autistic" it just makes me happy and feel kind of seen to think of her that way
I will never hate Melvin Sneedly for being a autistic coded person- I love him ❤
The exceptions aren't autism coded, they're unlabelled but autistic, for sure. Autism coding makes a caricature.
Yeah you get it. “”Autism coded”” is usually very intentional so often a stereotype :,( but there’s also characters who just happen to be autistic without the authors realising what they were doing lol
I think coding can be often unintentional though. For example all the robots that are accidentally autism coded
@@thelemondropgirl2140 It's because Autism shows itself in subtle ways that many of us probably never realised was Autism, and thus the people we hold dear to our hearts display themselves in characters we create for simply being themselves, and not their disability.
@@thelemondropgirl2140 Unfortunately the most common stereotypes seem to be that of an individual who has some special "redeeming" quality that makes up for their issues OR one that casts the person as a problem of one sort or another. Neither of which really represents most individuals experiences. --- Unlike a regular stereotype which offers some truth, even if it doesn't universally represent people and might be offensive, it seems like these seem to represent the outliers. Granted the focus is still probably the most visible/noticeable things
this isn’t always the case though some characters who are autism coded represent it amazingly and give autistic people good representation
Not every eccentric character is autistic.
Fr
Even if they aren’t, autistic people find comfort in seeing a character that is like them.
Nowhere in the video was that even implied…
@@OvrStim1 autistic coded characters… a lot of the character she shows are simply a generalization on her part… that any eccentric colorful child, pixie girl… etc… is an “autistic coded character”… lovely buzz words. She’s offended that characters that she thinks are autistic exist because…. She thinks they’re autistic.
FR tho
just because someone is different doesn't mean they have autism, my goodness
which characters here do you think aren't autistic?
i loved your role in heartbreak high omggggg. Quinni was BY FAR my favorite (and she was autism coded lol)
Being autism coded is decided by viewers though. Normally, these characters are just characters. They might have certain neurodivergent traits, but in their world, they are simply just another character with their own social perspective, emotions, thoughts, opinions etc. I think that it’s great that there’s no pressure for an official label or diagnosis for fictional characters because in real life, people are so much more than the diagnosis they’re given. Nobody has every single listed trait of neurodivergence, it’s an incredibly broad spectrum for a reason. By having characters with neurodivergent traits, but no real label, they can be representations for people who simply experience these same things. Natural variations in processing.
We love to classify things, break them down to make them easier to understand. But in reality, most diagnoses are used to separate those who are “different” from those who are “normal.” Labels and diagnoses are a great way to understand more about yourself, but it can also end up like a checklist, a focus on a diagnosis and what parts of the diagnosis fit, rather than the person, who they are and their particular needs.
Of course, there are times when this isn’t the case and some characters simply aren’t well done and are genuinely harmful (I know we can all name a few). But overall, I think part of the beauty of fictional characters is that you can decide for yourself
THIS
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dudee donatello in rise of the tmnt is one of the best autism portrayals in media ive seen in a WHILE
THIS IS SO REAL
REAL
I feel personally called out (but in a good way idk what that is) every time he's on screen fr
edit: ...The word I was looking for was that I relate to him
Norma from Dead End: Paranormal Park is also great
Yesssss omg
Donnatello from Rottmnt is my personal favorite autistic fictional character
He was confirmed to be autistic, and is actually good representation cause he's a low empathy monotone autistic but, like, he still feels emotions he just has a hard time expressing it and his brothers know that, as well as his aversion to touch, and they respect it and love him unconditionally
As a person who has autism,
I approve
Crazy how the ONLY characters that are confirmed autistic are either supposed caricatures OR are in a comedy. Atypical, Sheldon, Rain Man. They don’t take us seriously.
What about the other two kinds of autistics, "tragic" and "inspirational"?
@@janesullivan692 well I was thinking that when I said Rain Man. point is they’re written like jokes even if they’re “tragic” because nobody takes us seriously as human beings
what’s worse is sheldon is confirmed non autistic. i love the big bang theory franchise, but i don’t like the stereotype and them avoiding the label. the producers confirmed he’s not autistic, despite the stereotypes. however, most of his traits are very severe ocd traits, so maybe he just does have a very severe form of ocd. miyam bialik did say she is okay with the lack of an official diagnosis for the characters because these types of things don’t need to be ‘solved’ or medicated. there is no cure for autism, and the lack of an official diagnosis in the show, i’d happily take any day over the infamous girl meets world autism approach.
Julia from Sesame Street? A Boy Called Po? Ocean Heaven? Not to mention when big names like Disney come out with autistic characters (like Renee from Loop) they don't do well because actual neurodivergent people don't watch them. Don't act like you know every film character. Around 157 million people have autism. About 1 in 50. That's a fair chunk of people. And the neurodivergent numbers are MUCH higher, about 1 in 5.
@@january._.I think Sheldon’s character causes a lot of unnecessary drama. He isn’t autistic as confirmed by writers, but psychologists have studied his character and suggested various other theories for what’s goin on with him. The most accepted is Severe OCD and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Other diagnoses include borderline personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder.
pretty sure vanellope has "pixslexia" which is obv dyslexia, and know this cause whenever taffeta is talking to her shes like "I've just got pixslexia"
I think that although pixslexia is a play on "pixel" and "dyslexia", I'd argue that the condition itself is more akin to tourettes as dyslexia focuses on a difficulty of reading letters and words
@@s2sHoXXs2 wait i disnt event hink id that- wait a damn minu-
@@s2sHoXXs2her pixslexia is caused by king candy removing her code from the game, she does t have Tourette’s as her pixslexia gets fixed in the second movie
Dyslexia is about reading tho..
i think it means like, pixlexia=pixels unable to work/read the code correctly, not that she has dyslexia
My favorite thing about rise of the tmnt is how they made Donnie canonically autistic but didn’t make it so obvious or so easily trying to get rep points like THANK YOU FOR SOME ACTUALLY DECENT AUTISTIC REP like yes I get how some don’t think Donnie is good autistic rep, but honestly for me as someone who loves robotics and doesn’t emote much in vocal tone or make many faces with emotion, he’s amazing.
Omfg I'm a huge fan of the series heart break high you acted in the autism representation was so good 😍
Newt Scamander is definitely autistic, but since the time set was at a time where ASD wasn't really known, ig we'll never know if he is autistic or not
Yeah no doubt about it, Newt is definitely autistic
I rewatched the movies recently and just, yep. That’s like me alright lmfao
People used to do it to characters without even realizing what they were doing. For example, the dad in back to the future. I'm pretty sure they knew they were making him one of those "weird" kids. Everything about him screams autism. They just didn't realize that those "weird" kids were actually autistic.
He's not named 'Asperg Manchild' so JK Rowling unfortunately doesn't consider him autistic
@@mccormack570 💀
The woman who made him should also, coincidentally, be sent to a different planet
Ever wonder if "coded" just means "I project onto"
Hell yeah it does that's how 99% of fiction works
Most likely
Most likely. The reason is because when they do have autistic characters they're usually the comedic relief, because nobody takes us seriously.
@@nikosucksatskatingThe most dramatic, self loathing and victim olaying thing you coulda said.
@@yougsa kinda dramatic, idk about victim playing though because I really don't care. It's just the truth.
*autism has a code? And I have autism. Wat?*
Essentially autism doesn't have a code but coded characters are characters that have traits resembling and or referencing them being and or having something such as blushing, mannerisms, movement, speaking, etc. Even if it's not stated the creators made sure it could be taken from the character that they may be something
One time my teacher said that if we used 100% of our brain power we can move objects, i wanted to ask her if she had been watching Matilda or something
I don't even notice if a character is autism coded, I just see a character I relate to/like and just go :mmmm yess, they have the tism
Edit: okay wow, even half a year later I still get replies haha.
To all those taking my comment seriously: read some of the replies where I explain what I meant and how it wasn't all that serious.
This was just meant to be a light-hearted comment about how u connect with characters.
I'm not pushing my headcannons in other people, I'm not even saying they make any sense.
I don't see the harm in what I do/think as long as I don't state what I think as fact. I'm sorry to all of you with negative experiences or to those that think what I do is bad/cringe
have you seen the meme of Doofenshmirtz saying "behold, the autism-inator!" because that's me with most of my favourite characters
the tism 😭❤️
@@bugbear2357 YOU HAVE JUST SUMMONED ME WITH A MENTION OF MY HYPERFIXATION
I FUCKING LOVE P&F
FERB HAS THE TISM BECAUSE I SAID SO
@@Silent0nyx Phineas & Ferb and the peak adhd/autism duo!
@@bugbear2357 that genuinely made me so happy that someone else understands, whenever I try to talk with people about it they just shrug it off and change the subject or just call me weird for liking a kids show. Thank you random RUclips comment
I personally really like Peridot and Entrapta. They are stereotypical in ways but I don’t feel like they comply to the common negative autism tropes. Peridot really helped me accept my identity when I was first diagnosed. As for Entrapta, she’s one of the most relatable characters of all time to me and it was beautiful to see how they portrayed how even though she expresses herself differently she does love her friends and even with the horde working with the main villains she stayed a good person
Peridot is seriously such good representation 🙏
I love Entrapta SOOO much!!!!!! I collect fan made Entrapta items and she is one of my fav characters ever!! I was first coming to terms with being autistic when I first watched She-Ra and even tho my autistic traits are different than Entrapta's there is still a relatability there. Her preference for tiny food makes me SO happy. I love minis of everything! I personally think "stereotypical characters" are only bad when it is framed in a negative, jokingly, or incorrect way. Her being more stereotypical doesn't make her a caricature of autistic people, it just puts some of the more well known autistic traits on display (along with some lesser known traits!) Sorry for the paragraph! I just love Entrapta soooo much!!
I knew someone was gonna mention peridot and entrapta, I am not sure if I am autistic, but I do have ADHD and Anxiety and very much relate to these characters
ADJKHSJKSKSKS I LOVE ENTRAPTA SM!!! SHE US THE BEST :D
Its Peridot and Futaba from Persona 5 for me
There was one character from one of my childhood shows, that I never would have noticed was autism coded until I got older and started to learn more about autism and neurodivergance. It is Dennis from Dinosaur Train
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@@oreganoed8913 KOKOMI???
@@EGO_200KOKOFISH
I'm feeling that frfr🎉😂
Bro, you don’t understand how fast my charge dropped when you showed Anne on there like I relate to her so much it’s scary and for her to be on there I was like👁️👄👁️ 👀
My favorite autism coded character is myself😍😍😍
♡♡
Slay
You are also my favourite autism coded character now
🙌 Dope
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Okay but what about wall-e. I relate to that mfucker to an unusual amount, like more than any other character (including autistic coded ones) in media. He’s just so 🥺.
He’s a robot though, I don’t think he applies for asd coding because he isn’t human, he can’t develop neurodivergent disorders that are unique to humans.
I agree with you though, I love wall-e sm
@@hamstersareswag well in fairness he is extremely humanized, it definitely wasn’t intentional to code him that way either. But even his little movements, they match a lot of my autistic tendencies. The way he diverts from the norm as well. I didn’t even realize until i rewatched the movie recently. I just relate to his experience a whole lot and the way he seems to experience the world. If he were human he’d probably have autism.
I relate to draco malfoy alot.. to the point where I literally get pain where he gets hurt.
@@HeathRatdraco? Malfoy?????
Bro. It’s a robot with human emotions. Not an autistic person. There’s a difference. 😭
Some of my favorites are merely coded, often because they exist in settings where autism isn't a recognized phenomenon. Sherlock Holmes, for example.
YOU'RE SO UNDERRATED!
I love topics love this, AND I LOVE ABBOTT ELEMENTARY. You went all out for this video, i wish more people could see this and watch the show.
For those of you guys looking for a new COMFIRMED autistic character whose done REALLY WELL look at Twyla in the new Monster High show! She’s confirmed in show to be autistic and she’s portrayed so well!
thank you i’m gonna watch that now :)
My favorite Autistic coded character is Tech from Star Wars the Bad Batch. He was so relatable
He was a good soldier
Mine was donnie from rottmnt
@@thefreakshowsys I’m pretty sure Donnie is confirmed autistic
I knew he’s autistic rep my bf is autistic and said he connected with him
@@jeanne_du_lys no why did you have to go there 😭
I LOVE YOU SM! I watched breakup high (I think that’s what it’s called) and you made me understand who I am with my autism! You’re the best!!!
OMG U PLAYED QUINN IN HEARTBREAK HIGH!! YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB WITH THE CHARACTER SHES MY FAVVV ❤❤
watching Anne was wonderful i loved her so much, i have never felt so many emotions watching a show ever
Over 25 yrs ago i got ahold of the series i felt so accepted while i read them i prefer the books over show and i hate reading😂
@@8Platinum8 i discovered the series first i had no idea they were based off books! i’m definitely going to read them!
@@oli.4409 😁
Same
I love all of LM Montgomery books... She's got other Autistic characters. I'm pretty sure she was herself too long before they diagnosed it.
I feel like Matilda is just gifted and has never been to a school before.
“Gifted” people are very often neurodivergent even if not autistic
@@insecticaai’m autistic, and i kinda feel like matilda doesnt really have many autistic traits. she’s just young and smart, yes she does like reading, but there are a very limited number of traits she shares. not saying it’s impossible, but i just don’t really see it. could be because i’m autistic and idk whats normal and whats not lmao
@@insecticaaNo they're not 😭. Why tf do yall do this?? Like someone cant be smart or good at something at a young age without yall being like "they have a bit of the tism dont they" LIKE STFU. YES autistic people can often be VERY smart and INCREDIBLE at things that are unthinkable but that doesn't mean that most of the smart population is fucking autistic. What is wrong with yall???? Omfg.
Yknow it COULD be both
Me, a person who was once a “gifted” child, was homeschooled/never went to a “real” school, and only realized I was autistic as an adult: 👀
anne is my spirit animal fr
me realizing every character i related to as a child was neurodivergent
As a writer who is neurodivergent, spends a lot of time with fellow neurodivergent, dated, lived with, and grew up with neurodivergent people: I feel like I accidentally code characters as such. Like, they end up being depicted as potentially being autistic or have ADHD or BPD or one of the very big parts of my life or the lives of those close to me seeping into my characters simply through experiencing it as a normal part of my everyday life; and it isn’t until later when I take a moment to think about the character where I’m like “oh…I think I accidentally made them autistic coded…ya know, I’ll let people interpret and connect to them in a way that works best for them. I won’t say they do in fact have it, but I will say it’s possible.”
Reminds me of the webcomic _El Goonish Shive._ At one point or another, people have asked Dan Shive "Is (Character) autistic?" about almost every single main character, and probably some supporting characters too. And usually their reason for asking is some trait they have that is based on himself or that he relates to. Being asked this so much has made him think about whether he himself might be autistic. (He doesn't know. He's so old now, and is so different from when he was growing up, and has been compensating for his potentially-autistic traits for so long, that he's not sure there's any point in trying to find out.)
The comic also frequently deals with themes of being different (sometimes in a hidden way) and how to deal with that, the effects of being forced to hide who you are, the arguments for and against doing that, whether your differences define you or not, how much we should be willing to tolerate differences (especially ones we don't understand), etc.
So yeah. People seem to always put themselves in their writing, even without meaning to or knowing it.
I might have accidentally done this plenty of times too
But with bipolar and the intense mood swings... Incidentally number of npd or aspd characters tho i'm not, nor know anyone with it (unless there is something i'm missing here lol)
But yeah, is the realization of "... Wait a second, this looks familiar..."
Characters i made way before getting a diagnosis, should have noticed something but it was so normal to me.
Projecting this and that subconsciously ig?
I swear I do the same none of characters are straight or/and neurotypical
LITERALLY ME! I'm a neurodivergent writer too and sometimes when the characters interact it can seem tism coded 😭
Anne my absolute beloved. I didn’t know people saw her as autistic too, I just knew she was possibly one of the earliest adhd coded characters. It’s led to speculation over whether Lucy maud Montgomery herself could have had adhd as well, as there’s testaments to her having been similar to Anne. I think people have even used Anne as evidence that adhd isn’t just a modern disorder created by technology or invented to sell meds, which I think is so great
yes!!!! so epic omg
I'm not on the spectrum (as far as I know), but I'm really confused as to why people believe she's autistic. She uses and understands subtle social cues often, doesn't have any ritualistic or rigid behaviors, and immediately wants to become friends with Diana and others -- at least in the books. I always interpreted "kindred spirit" to mean she finds people to have deeper and more meaningful conversations with and can connect with them on a different level than someone like Mrs. Lynde, which I also feel -- I can tell when I'm with someone on the same wavelength as me. I'm happy autistic people identify with her if they see some aspects of her personality in themselves, but I just never found evidence in the books to support it, personally.
@@suckedintothevoidi mean autistic people can be extroverted and esspecislly women on the Spektrum tend to be able to read social Clues
Either ASD, ADHD or both or something Else. She is most definetily neuro divergent.
Omg I absolutely love your style
Autism coded characters are awesome tbh! It shows diversity and how people are different or if they have conditions
abed nadir is def my fav canon autistic character he's so fucking whimsical
Don't forget Ferb!
Was looking for Ferb on here. Heck yeah!
Thank you for including Anne she’s my literary best friend for life
As a kid before I was diagnosed, my family always joked that I was a lot like Matilda, and then BAM, AUTISM.
Anne wasn’t autistic, it’s been highly suggested that she has ADHD though, which I agree with!
she can DEFINITELY be read as autistic. she has a lot of autistic traits, and a lot of plot points hinge on those autistic traits. i can see an argument for ADHD, but some of her key characteristics include misunderstanding social cues, fixating on details, communication differences (her precocious long-winded speeches in place of a more traditionally allistic back-and-forth, and her use of tone being starkly contrasted with other characters to comedic effect), literal interpretations of figurative speech, ritualistic thinking and interaction, peer-to-peer social difficulties which go as far as severe bullying and outcasting, her unusual relationship with honesty, adults seeing her as "odd" or generally off-putting, dyspraxia, some evidence of later-stage gestalt language processing, pathological demand avoidance, and hyperlexia. SO much hyperlexia. just to name a few.
if you have ADHD and see yourself in her, that's great! doesn't mean she's not autistic-coded or that you're the only person who's ever read the book.
@@asterling4 she can be audhd. a lot of ppl have both
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG yes, definitely. i was only disagreeing with the assertion that she "wasn't autistic." like i said, i can see the argument for adhd too, especially from someone who has it seeing themself reflected in the book.
@@asterling4 oh right right! fair enough
@@asterling4what's great is that, considering how old the book is, Anne wasn't created as "a neurodivergent character", but rather she was inspired by odd kids irl and yet did them justice so well we can now speculate with lots of evidence what exact kind of neurodivergence it was.
YES MATILDA IS DEFINITELY AUTISTIC CODED I AGREE!….SHES LITERALLY LIKE ME 😂
Edit:HOLY MOLY THANKS FOR THE LIKES
SHE ABSOLUTELY IS
the song quiet IS a sensory overload
silly !!
@@certifiedswiftie111 yeah it is😬
Y’all wear disorders like a badge of honor
**cries in Donatello from ROTTMNT**
Omg I just finished heart break high and it was amazing I can’t wait for season two and I can’t believe you didn’t put Quiny in considering you played her and how lovely of a character she is ❤
I... didn't even think they were coded for Autism.
Listen to the song quiet from Matilda the musical. Then u will understand more.
Personally, I really like Tori Spring from Solitaire/Heartstopper. In my mind, she's definitely autism coded😊
I think a lot of people interpret Tori’s severe depression as autism
FOR REALLLL why is no one talking about her?? i was rewatching heartstopper and rereading solitaire and. wow. that is so AUTISM!!!!!!! (coming from a depressed autistic)
@iAmTheOreo both can exist together at the same time though. And Tori's definitely showing signs of both
@@AYE_S I know but it’s important to note that some characters like Tori canonically have severe depression and some characters like Isaac canonically have autism
@@iAmTheOreo69 is Isaac having autism canon? Because I never really saw him as even autism coded
M favourite character in heartbreak high was quinnie! I feel that i have a better understanding of autism when i see shows that really delve deep into autistic characters
I wish they would confim some of the time what charekters are autistic, would be great
I really love rottmnt's Donatello and TOH's Luz Noceda. Marcy Wu is also iconic :D
Marcy was all but confirmed in the journal and it made me so happy!!
@@Froggyqueer37 she is cancily neruodigdnet and she could have both
@@hexinthelilypond4213 no it was made cannon when the show just ended
@@michalelkin-bronner7958 Omg really??? I searched everywhere and couldn’t find anything that confirms it tho :O
AHHH YESSSS!!!
I watched "Anne with an E" for the first time in 8th grade and it became my comfort show, because I've never related to a character so much in my entire life! Pointing at Anne would probably be the only way I could ever explain how I view the world around me. I got diagnosed with ADHD 4-5 years after that and it makes way more sense to me now!
And not with just Anne's world view, but her emotional world and the way she reacts to things! I don't have ASD, but I totally relate to her with my ADHD characteristics!
@@suokukkia this comment reminded me I'm supposed to be reading the book- thank you
I loved Anne with an E! She is so me if I weren’t so nervous of talking in front of people!
Anne is so clearly not autistic though. Idek why shes in this video. Adhd MAYBE but autism no. Shes just a tomboy.
Anne isn't autistic
I love how you just put the entirety of Matilda 💀
As a gifted kid (who suspects that they have ASD), I haven’t seen the musical, but I was absolutely obsessed with the movie!! I think I was in middle school when I first watched it and it instantly became my favorite movie because I could finally relate to a character; someone who is under-stimulated from not having challenging work in school, and who quickly progressed in reading from a young age!
I’m currently almost a junior now, and I still love Matilda to this day!
English is my second language and I thought you meant characters as in letters in the alphabet. I was like "Autistic people have their own alphabet? Today I learned I guess... Oh now that makes a lot more sense"
Haha lol
(Oh no someone almost found out about the top secret autism alphabet :0 )
Aww omg this short makes me wanna hug my cousin. She's on the spectrum and LOVES matilda. Although i'm not sure if it's because she relates to the main character matilda or if she relates to matilda's family dynamic. God do i miss her. Makes me so sad when i can't cheer her on and talk about her favorite hobbies. She's so sweet and caring. It really softens my heart when i'm able to hang out with her. The pains of growing up 🥹
Awwww I always loved Matilda because she was relatable
HELP I CLICKED ON THIS VIDEO WITH A SIR PENTIOUS CURSOR AND THOUGHT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT HIM-
Honestly seeing Chloe make this video while also being the person who played Quinn in heartbreak high fits so well Imo😭
Some of y’all are just saying “I hate autistic characters when they’re severely autistic “
PENELOPE DESERVES THE WORLD
*Vanellope
Ikr
she deserves to at least have her name spelled right lmao
I speak spanish and this got me laughing way to much
Oh my god, thank you so much ❤ (lmao)
If theres one thing I've learned from Matilda is that if I mask hard enough I move things with my mind
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Basil from omori standing on the corner:
I love Matilda. Always saw parallels between my childhood and hers (without the gift of telekinesis!)
i hate autistic-coded characters when they're only there to be a burden on their family or a problem in the story
Right like this show I watched where I hated the mom because she cheated on her husband and her excuse was “It’s just so hard having an autistic son” I think they should have made her the villain
@@LPSB272 was the show by any chance atypical? bec i hate the mom in that show too
@@LPSB272i don't think that's autism coding if they are canonically said to be autistic.
What if I am a problem though
@@randomcat1962 you are not a problem or a burden hon, glad you are here today. God bless you, Jesus loves you, come as you are and accept His love.
Always wondered how much of this is just because the characters were never meant to be autistic. Obviously someone who's just a little under-socialized or a bit fastidious isn't going to represent the autistic experience; they represent the experience of people who are under-socialized and a bit fastidious
I love that the overlap of autistic "coded" characters and adhd "coded" characters is a circle lolol