It feels like Hurts , Burrow and Tua all have coaches that built the offensive scheme and personnel to suit their strengths, Herbert feels like the odd man out without it.
Tua didn't get that until this year with McDaniel, and he's playing at a near MVP level. Now imagine Herbert, who has been playing amazing with Joe Lombardi, given an offensive scheme that fits him.
@@notfromhere8889 Allen and Williams are tall 50/50 ball winners who don't separate. Thing is Herbert's talent that can help get those guys the despite that is his processing ability. He just sees the defense faster and with arm strength can probably place the ball in tighter windows better than most NFL QBs can. The problem is Lombardi only cares to throw behind the sticks 70% of the time and then go for deep shots in bad 3rd and long situations. Having a non physical run game doesn't help either as Ekeler isn't really great on short yard stuff either.
I know what'd help Herbert out. Trading for Sean Payton. Before Drew's arm started to betray him, the Saints had one of the deadliest downfield offenses in the NFL.
@@gagemadrid8684 That's the system the Saints were running when Brees had no arm left. Look up Saints highlights from 2009-2011 when Brees still had a big arm.
This genuinely answers all the questions I've had of why the Chargers have disappointed thus far, they need to build the team and the scheme around Herbert's strengths, but they just don't seem willing to. Thank you for the great video, your end of video hype ups are the best, and your content is gold, keep it up
I mean these things aren't new either. Bills recognized Josh Allen needs a guy who can catch his fastballs wherever so they went hard for STefon Diggs. Cards recognized they needed a great pair of hands to go with Kyler so they went out to get DHop. We just saw the Dolphins sell hard to get Tyreek Hill but also get an offensive minded coach with Mike McDaniel who knows how to use those receivers to get the most out of Tua. Eagles took AJ Brown off the Titans hands with a tradea AND paid him an extension so Jalen Hurts has a target upt he middle. Burrow was fortunate to have Boyd, Higgins and his college star teammate Ja'Marr Chase early in his career. Some teams totally believe in the ability of their young QB that they will get the best talent in the market for them.
But he's not all that chargers are not wasting him he's wasting chance at the chance of prove himself to be a top five quarterback can't even make the playoffs so don't call him top five quarterback
As chargers fan, they really are putting a cap on his ability. It sucks to see him get judged by those who don’t even watch the games. Dude hasn’t had his entire supporting cast for one game and has been battling injuries this season and people are still talking crazy. Is he blameless? No but he’s the bottom of the list of things to worry about
Finest example was the Fins game. Granted Tua was getting flexed on the other side but Herbert with holes for an O-line and a scheme making him check down often was progressing through reads so fast and navigating the pocket through pressure that he was still getting to Mike Williams for a screen or Keenan Allen on a paltry 15-20 yard gain on a mismatch. His A-Dot on his passes was something short too in the process. Put him with the Washington C-words with receivers like McLaurin/Samuel/Dotson and he's catching those guys downfield every time. Arm strength is the last best him thing about him when he does all the consistent QB stuff like coverage reading/pocket footwork and post snap reads at an elite baseline level.
@@burntoast4269 was more a comment on chargers as a team for years looking from the outside as someone not fully following them. It always sounds like I always hear them drafting really good player year and year but get nowhere
Spanos cuts corners everywhere he can and the good drafting just disguises that. That's why they still don't have an elite speed WR despite it being glaringly obvious they could use one. Look what Tua can do with Tyreek. But Spanos doesn't want to pay up, and after shelling out to move the Chargers, he's penny pinching even more because they can't sell tickets, merch, jerseys, etc nearly as well as they used to. He's a bum and if he doesn't sell the team someone, somewhere, is gonna drop a curse on him.
This is exactly right. Great breakdown. They need to get the ball downfield and Herbert is great at that. The check down trash keeps leading to failed 3rd down plays and yeah they go for it on 4th a lot, and they convert those sometimes, but they need more downfield plays like they did when he looked like the next big upcoming QB.
I think someone said in the other guys offense, when a play is run perfectly, its a 50 yard TD. in this offense when a play is run perfectly its a 5 yard gain.
I’ve been saying this since his rookie year, but Herbert has the highest ceiling of any quarterback in the league when he’s playing his best. It’s so frustrating to watch him play like a game manager when he has the potential to be so much more effective
The funniest part is the QBs got got drafted in his same class have been given better weapons and better responsibilities too. Burrow has evolved so far with taking less hits in the pocket while playing more shotgun and learning to play without Chase for a while. Tua is of course enjoying an offensive playcaller who understands his ability to read coverages and get to his targets on time and quickly. Meanwhile Herbert is playing Charger checkdown even when he has the the arm strength to threaten defenses that he can go deep even for 50/50 balls. But too often the plays he runs are just routes that don't go beyond the sticks.
@@azma775 It's criminal. I'm a Bengals fan. I love Joe Burrow. That being said, Herbert could be the undisputed MVP with any of the top 15 receiver cores, an average o-line, and a scheme that actually utilizes his talents. It's depressing watching the Chargers handicap him.
@@peterstedman6140 2nk that THANKS part ! BUT, boy , I have SEEN way to many of your Bengals brothers/ sisters that just WANT to NAIL Justin to a cross for ANY thing he does , just Like SO many Dolphins fans in the 1st [ 2 ] years of Justin career ? I just DON"T get it ! Comparing QB to QB is just F#CKING dumb . You HAVE to take the teams into the mix & having talent on a TEAM is no good , when they are hurt ALL of the TIME , PERIOD & this affects a QB way more then many fans & media will EVER talk about !
THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE SEASON !! AND IM GLAD THAT THE ONLY RUclipsR THAT KNOWS THE GAME AT A HIGH LEVEL , ALEX ROLLINS, FINALLY CALLS IT OUT WITH EVIDENCE!! thanks bro great video!
Thank you for perfectly articulating our offensive struggles this season. Herbert has been getting unfairly ridiculed because of the injuries to our offense, but Lombardi has been the mastermind to this failed offense. The fact Lombardi continued to call plays that had Herbert drop back in the pocket instead of moving the pocket against the Raiders was not only incompetence, but just plain disrespectful to our Franchise QB. Whether we make the playoffs or not, Lombardi's stint as Chargers OC must end after this disastrous season.
Interesting. I'm a huge Ducks fan, and I never thought the team's scheming was the problem. They always had a ton of talent, and rolled through the season until they got to the part of the season where everything was on the line..... then Herbert folded. Every year of his college career, that was the storyline.
I remember Herbert take over on SNF against my Steelers last year. Herbert is insanely talented and he's being mediocred. How fitting that he's part of a mid franchise like the Chargers.
dolphins fan checking in, kid is so fkn talented, he needs an offensive coach who will build an offense around his strengths, this current system is boring and lombardi needs to go
To be fair its all on Staley too. He's the guy who hired the staff when Herbert was there and decided the best guy to fine tune the F1 racer was a mechanic whose only experience is working on Camrys. Worse part is Staley's results on defense are ass too even this season when he finally got better talent but some can't stay healthy.
Yes , wasted [Matt ] your QB & now wasted 2 years of ours !"'Swing Pass Joe " the OC , past the word on & WE get to see HIM & Sean back together AGAIN , Like I [ FEEL ] , if Sean come here & I'd be CORRECT ! So glad Sean didn't come , if it meant kipping "Joey Lynn, JR " around for even 1 MORE year !
Great insight. It's really unfortunate to see Justin Herbert continue to be under-utilized. I know the Chargers have had injuries to WR and OL yet again, but Justin is really being shackled here. If Lombardi does get fired, and Staley is retained, I wonder who he'll hire as his next OC.
In the Miami game we saw a little of what our offense can do right. Herbo is one of the best on the move, when we roll him out we get to see his arm as well.
Lombardi did Stafford wrong and nows hes doing the same with Herbert. He aint it. Really hope they dont derail his career. NFL would be in good hands with Herbert, Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, etc in the future
Here's one thing I noticed. The Chargers love the screen to Ekeler so much and it shows right in the stat sheet. Ekeler has 623 yards in total, yet he has 751 yards per catch. Doing the math based off his 73 receptions, Ekeler on average catches the ball 1.4 yards behind the line of scrimmage. I don't know if there has been a player, ever, to on average catch a ball that far back. 1.4 YARDS BEHIND THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE.
Its insane when you bring that up when CMC has been lined up as a receiver beyond the slot (lined up outside in the Bucs game) and killed his matchup to get a TD. Shanahan uses the matchup speed of his potential receivers to stress defenses and ultimately score on a big play. Lombardi uses his eligible receivers to just toy with the idea to defenses that he wants a first down.
This is exactly what he did to Stafford in Detroit in 2014. He had Calvin Johnson and Stafford when he still had a cannon and they just did this dink and dunk bullshit. Their offense was so predictable multiple defenders from other teams said how they knew exactly what they were doing pre snap. After that joke was finally fired he tried to throw Stafford under the bus, basically saying he wasn't smart enough to understand the system and multiple teammates immediately came out calling bullshit. This asshole wasted the one year the Lions actually had a historically good defense and I am actually shocked that he got another OC job after he absolutely demolished a good Lion's offense.
@@AreYouFNQRAZII what are your insulting me for? Stafford's always been overconfident in his arm. Not unreasonably, but still. You can DEFINITELY make the argument that the rams would've won even more games last year if he didn't throw so many picks. And he threw some UGLY ones!!!😬😬😬
This comparison has parallels actually. Lombardi after his long stint with the Saints did a one-year OC gig with the Lions. Guess who was the QB he was calling plays for? Check how well Stafford did that one year too.
Gotta roll out Herbert more. Might want to take a chance in Herbert keeping that option read once in a while too. Especially on short yardage. Might fuck with some teams.
I watched the game and could totally see it. So many short passes. Williams was getting open downfield and Herbert could hit him, but even then, dink and dunk. Still, it was definitely a game that Herbert had to get the ball out quickly. The Chargers' OL is like a sieve. They made Christian Wilkins look like Lawrence Taylor.
Can’t underestimate Allen’s importance to Herbert early in his career. His injury has been huge for that offense. Also, how many teams have offenses with multiple WRs running sub 4.4 or that could overcome an injury to the top dog.
Dude after seeing herbert not being able to convert on 3rd countless times today against the jaguars and seeing this video makes sense. Wow, lombardi and staley must be getting the worst sleep hope they do not return back next season. And btw you are so freakin right Herbert can throw nukes down the field to have him under throw and check when he shouldnt definitely seems strange to strain a talented QB. Im dying to see next season to see what comes such a disappointment of a ending.
Herbert was OFF in this game . I saw this right off the start & WE all know WHY now, 2 injuries . But he still didn't have Slater & M .Williams ,J C Jackson , Austin Johnson & we lost Davis just before 1/2 time & our NO # 29 ranked defense showed BACK up ? Like they just FORGOT how to play , just before 1/2 time & ALL the way through the 2nk half of the game ? NEVER stopped the Jags 1 time .
Absolutely correct, he's been coaching Drew Brees for so long that he doesn't know how to coach a QB with an arm. Ashamed he will handicap himself with old school playback and scheme instead of taking advantage of a gifted QB like Herbert. Also all those great rookie receivers out there this year but they apparently didn't need one. Josh Palmer HOF quality my butt. Lombardi needs to go!
This video reminded me of something I remember seeing when watching all in during pre-season. It was an interview with Lombardi or Herbert Talking about Herbert developing a Rhythm with Linsley on the snap count. Something simple right. To throw a defense off. And during the interview it was mentioned that the offense was not designed for something like that. Or something along those lines. One hell of a red flag now that I think of it. Talk about putting some handcuffs on Herbert. Was wondering if anyone else remembered something similar?
LOL "The chargers have their Drew Brees . . ." the irony in that statement is so poignant. Also, someone remind me, where did the offense that everyone borrows from "Air Coryell" start again? :)
@@AlexRollinsNFL dam sorry didn't know. Makes sense honestly how in depth they are. I'll like and comment every video hopefully the algorithm starts showing you more love.
Another great video. My pre-season pick for the AFC title game was Bills-Chargers, then the injuries hit. I have to admit, I thought the cautious play was a result of Herbert's injury and the o-line being shaky, I did not even know about the Saints scheme thing. It is almost as if the Chargers are running the Anti-Air Coryell offense. The reliance on Eckler is going to get him hurt. Some off season moves to pick up more speed is definitely needed. I just would like to see what this team could do, even without personnel or scheme changes, when everyone is healthy.
Thanks Andrew! The Chargers are always tantalizing to bet on preseason, and then they always seem to disappoint. A lot of dysfunction going on over there
It has been that way for a while. Marty should have won at least one Super Bowl with them, but they always seem to fade. I remember when they played the 48ers. I thought, this is going to be a great game. The the Niners crushed them.
As a Chargers fan I can’t tell you how frustrating it is watching our games. We have someone who can make any throw at any time, as good as anyone ever…and we are checking down for 2 yards or a loss on 1st and 10, 2nd and 10, and 3rd and 10. We also have a fantastic running back but our run game is so predictable due to us getting zero yard on first and second down, he has to fight tooth and nail for anything. Some things are down to bad luck, offensive line being hurt and losing our 2 best receivers for multiple games, but the complete lack of creativity in our scheming and play calling is ruining us. We have talent on that side of the ball, just not at the drawing table
I said this same thing from the beginning. Staley isn't a huge problem for me, although he has his flaws. It's Joe Lombardi. It's sooo predictable and the personnel doesn't match that scheme. It's awful to watch as a fan. Justin needs a new OC.
My big question is: Staley seems to be a loyal person. He has an history with Lombardi and he always told him that if he becomes a HC, he will bring him in as OC. He proved he can do the decisions about personnel (ex. putting Salyer instead of Norton at LT) but can he fire his friend ? I admire Staley's loyalty but is he able to make the (not so) tough decision?
You do know how coaching staffs work right? THis is as much Staley's problem because he could have cut ties with Lombardi underperforming his offense as soon as last year. But he's still kept him around with the passing attack underperforming more than ever and exposed their depth on offense overall. Being a modern HC means having control of the staff you bring in.
@@t4d0W I do and I understand what your saying but what I meant was that the offense is stagnant under Joe's offense. I realize Staley is ultimately responsible what goes wrong. But the video was pointing to a glaring issue that chargers have to fix because they are holding JH back by a predictable offense with majority of plays being quick read with check downs underneath.
I mean I don’t know why anyone would be surprised about this. The chargers held back Phillip rivers for 17 years, why did anyone think Justin Herbert would be any different? As long as Herbert is with the chargers, he’ll suffer the same fate as Phillip rivers. Plus Phillip rivers played against Tom Brady, Peyton manning, and Ben roethlisberger whereas Justin Herbert plays against joe burrow, Patrick mahomes, josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, an tua. So the result clearly won’t be the same right?
Great breakdown! I gotta push back on hating on the chargers weapons though. Herbert came into one of the best situations a rookie QB could come into as far as weapons go. He had two B+/A WRs. He gotta find a way to make that work IMO.
Thanks Mike! I don't hate the weapons, I just think they're missing that key speed piece. I love MW but he's a very specific type of player (also he's hurt all the time), Keenan might be done, and Ekeler is fucking awesome, but he's not going to attack you down the field obviously
As slow as Herbert's receiver talent is, one thing Lombardi has not taken advantage is his QBs ability to process the coverage very quickly. Even with a crappy O-line Herbert can still get the ball out which usually ends up in checkdowns because of how the plays are designed. Its not like the concept has not been tested as last season in the 2nd half of the season the numbers were there and even Alex brought that up. And that was with relatively the same receiver group they had. For Herbert to reach his peak like the class of QBs he was drafted with in Burrow and Tua, Chargers ownership has to have an adult in the room to help build things. None of this stubborness from Lombardi or even to Staley which is start studded defense has also underperformed. Get a guy who is about getting results and surrounding the players with a great staff and work towards Justin's best self for contract #2. Unless Telesco is still there to curse things up.
100 percent agree the coaching of the chargers completely changed the teams identity and made it even worse than it was, we used to lose but the team did look good and felt like a curse and games were always exciting , now we lose and we also suck and its not even fun to watch anymore, lets see if it can be fixed with this new staff
Awesome work Alex. I feel the Chargers were limiting Herbert but couldn't put my finger on why, and this sums it up very nicely. Which OCs do you think might work better with Herbert's talent (assuming he isn't too far gone)?
This is a great great video. all of us Justin Herbert fans and charger fans, we know this. but I don't believe they're going to be any changes until the mainstream media sports channels start blasting Joe Lombardi all over the sports news. for his silly and incompetent Analytics. it is great that RUclips channels are criticizing Joe Lombardi and diagnosing the problem. but I think for now Joe Lombardi's protected because the mainstream media such as the ESPN shows and Fox Sports shows. they are not criticizing Joe Lombardi so hopefully these type of RUclips videos will become part of mainstream media and then this will force the charges to make the coaching changes
You mean people are praising a guy that has accomplished anything in the pros nothing in college just some decent okay quarterback that can throw somewhat can't even make the playoffs should have drafted burrow or tua. Or hurts because they're better quarterbacks than this guy
Justin Herbert is the new Matthew Stafford: all talent but no quality wins to his name, in part due to a shitty situation but also his own shortcomings
And you think the Chargers are rightfully going to low ball him? Please. A team with the staff/talent would give up three first rounds to get at Herbert. CHargers can go scrape the bottom again for a top QB pick while the team who got Herbert will hopefully figure him out better than the evaluators he was previously with.
Herbert destroyed the dolphins coverage by taking it underneath basically the whole game. a good quarterback knows where to go with the football, deep or short or intermediate. it was strange to see Tua forcing it downfield all game with hardly any checkdowns... like 25 air yards average per throw.. Chargers knew he was gonna do that and stopped him. Dolphins expected Herbert to launch it downfield and looked confused defensively the whole game. Winning is more important that big throws.
Fins are primarily a man coverage defense who LOVES to blitz and that combination is where Herbert absolutely cooks. The factof with the Dolphins winning wasn't predicated on their defense (Lombardi's offense does NOT win consistently and especially against better defenses) but the Fins having their way on offense. Big throws is predicated to winning especially when you have the match up and instead trying to get a first down, you actually try to score. Ask the Niners about it since they also shellacked the Chargers and put Herbert on his back.
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This promo garbage is pointless when you can’t even evaluate Jalen Hurts
same guy who said herbert was gunna be a bust now calling him “might be the best deep ball guy in the league” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 YOUR A JOKE YOU AINT NO ANALYST
It feels like Hurts , Burrow and Tua all have coaches that built the offensive scheme and personnel to suit their strengths, Herbert feels like the odd man out without it.
Tua didn't get that until this year with McDaniel, and he's playing at a near MVP level. Now imagine Herbert, who has been playing amazing with Joe Lombardi, given an offensive scheme that fits him.
They've just been injured, he has excellent weapons
Burrows coach just now this year learned to throw the ball with him
@@notfromhere8889The chargers had no downfield passing before they got hurt either. Neither Williams nor Allen are that.
@@notfromhere8889 Allen and Williams are tall 50/50 ball winners who don't separate. Thing is Herbert's talent that can help get those guys the despite that is his processing ability. He just sees the defense faster and with arm strength can probably place the ball in tighter windows better than most NFL QBs can. The problem is Lombardi only cares to throw behind the sticks 70% of the time and then go for deep shots in bad 3rd and long situations. Having a non physical run game doesn't help either as Ekeler isn't really great on short yard stuff either.
I know what'd help Herbert out. Trading for Sean Payton. Before Drew's arm started to betray him, the Saints had one of the deadliest downfield offenses in the NFL.
I mean, Joe Lombardi is literally running Sean Payton's system, and Herbert is a terrible fit in that scheme.
U mean Jim Harbaugh
@@gagemadrid8684 That's the system the Saints were running when Brees had no arm left. Look up Saints highlights from 2009-2011 when Brees still had a big arm.
Did you watch the video?!? Literally explains how Lombardi doesn’t know how to properly run that offense
No no no Sean Payton needs to go to Arizona
This genuinely answers all the questions I've had of why the Chargers have disappointed thus far, they need to build the team and the scheme around Herbert's strengths, but they just don't seem willing to. Thank you for the great video, your end of video hype ups are the best, and your content is gold, keep it up
I mean these things aren't new either. Bills recognized Josh Allen needs a guy who can catch his fastballs wherever so they went hard for STefon Diggs. Cards recognized they needed a great pair of hands to go with Kyler so they went out to get DHop. We just saw the Dolphins sell hard to get Tyreek Hill but also get an offensive minded coach with Mike McDaniel who knows how to use those receivers to get the most out of Tua. Eagles took AJ Brown off the Titans hands with a tradea AND paid him an extension so Jalen Hurts has a target upt he middle. Burrow was fortunate to have Boyd, Higgins and his college star teammate Ja'Marr Chase early in his career. Some teams totally believe in the ability of their young QB that they will get the best talent in the market for them.
@@t4d0W Our coach has more faith in Practice Squad tackle Foster Sarrell playing tackle than Herbert playing QB.
As a Chargers fan, I have only one thing to say: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
But he's not all that chargers are not wasting him he's wasting chance at the chance of prove himself to be a top five quarterback can't even make the playoffs so don't call him top five quarterback
@@ronaldomontero3624 you’re a joke
@@ronaldomontero3624 Your team doesn’t decide how good of a player you are. The commanders aren’t good but Chase young is a top 5 DE. Get real
@@ronaldomontero3624the most casual thing I’ve ever read in my life
I think the writing is on the wall for this coaching staff. Massively under performing with boy wonder at QB? Fire em all!
As chargers fan, they really are putting a cap on his ability. It sucks to see him get judged by those who don’t even watch the games. Dude hasn’t had his entire supporting cast for one game and has been battling injuries this season and people are still talking crazy. Is he blameless? No but he’s the bottom of the list of things to worry about
Finest example was the Fins game. Granted Tua was getting flexed on the other side but Herbert with holes for an O-line and a scheme making him check down often was progressing through reads so fast and navigating the pocket through pressure that he was still getting to Mike Williams for a screen or Keenan Allen on a paltry 15-20 yard gain on a mismatch. His A-Dot on his passes was something short too in the process. Put him with the Washington C-words with receivers like McLaurin/Samuel/Dotson and he's catching those guys downfield every time. Arm strength is the last best him thing about him when he does all the consistent QB stuff like coverage reading/pocket footwork and post snap reads at an elite baseline level.
Felt like Rivers would have been better elsewhere also. I feel like the Chargers draft better than so many teams and do so little
Dean spanos f that guy
@@burntoast4269 was more a comment on chargers as a team for years looking from the outside as someone not fully following them. It always sounds like I always hear them drafting really good player year and year but get nowhere
Rivers never got a good Oline after 2010, he carried this team so hard. Herbert needs a new OC.
Spanos cuts corners everywhere he can and the good drafting just disguises that. That's why they still don't have an elite speed WR despite it being glaringly obvious they could use one. Look what Tua can do with Tyreek. But Spanos doesn't want to pay up, and after shelling out to move the Chargers, he's penny pinching even more because they can't sell tickets, merch, jerseys, etc nearly as well as they used to. He's a bum and if he doesn't sell the team someone, somewhere, is gonna drop a curse on him.
@@sweetreamer5101 I thought the chargers should have traded up for Jameson Williams last draft and couple him with Herbert
This is exactly right. Great breakdown. They need to get the ball downfield and Herbert is great at that. The check down trash keeps leading to failed 3rd down plays and yeah they go for it on 4th a lot, and they convert those sometimes, but they need more downfield plays like they did when he looked like the next big upcoming QB.
As a lifelong chargers fan I second this and thank you z. Our Superstar is being limited
By eye test, Herbert has the potential to be top 10, even top 5 all time. Shame to see it wasted
No he's not top 10 he's not top 5 not even top 20 he's just a okay quarterback that can throw far
@@ronaldomontero3624over 5000 yards and 40 total touchdowns in his second year. he as all the potential to be on of the greats
He is top 5 in the league right now, Alex showed how coaching and game plan is wasting his talent.
@@ronaldomontero3624 what exactly is bad about Herbert...?
@@anti-classist saying he can only throw far is insane
I think someone said in the other guys offense, when a play is run perfectly, its a 50 yard TD. in this offense when a play is run perfectly its a 5 yard gain.
I've always thought Joe Lombardi was an idiot. Reading his book was confirmation, and now seeing this is just the icing on the cake
I’ve been saying this since his rookie year, but Herbert has the highest ceiling of any quarterback in the league when he’s playing his best. It’s so frustrating to watch him play like a game manager when he has the potential to be so much more effective
The funniest part is the QBs got got drafted in his same class have been given better weapons and better responsibilities too. Burrow has evolved so far with taking less hits in the pocket while playing more shotgun and learning to play without Chase for a while. Tua is of course enjoying an offensive playcaller who understands his ability to read coverages and get to his targets on time and quickly. Meanwhile Herbert is playing Charger checkdown even when he has the the arm strength to threaten defenses that he can go deep even for 50/50 balls. But too often the plays he runs are just routes that don't go beyond the sticks.
@@t4d0W it’s saddens us chargers fans
@@azma775 It's criminal. I'm a Bengals fan. I love Joe Burrow. That being said, Herbert could be the undisputed MVP with any of the top 15 receiver cores, an average o-line, and a scheme that actually utilizes his talents. It's depressing watching the Chargers handicap him.
@@peterstedman6140 thanks man
@@peterstedman6140 2nk that THANKS part ! BUT, boy , I have SEEN way to many of your Bengals brothers/ sisters that just WANT to NAIL Justin to a cross for ANY thing he does , just Like SO many Dolphins fans in the 1st [ 2 ] years of Justin career ? I just DON"T get it ! Comparing QB to QB is just F#CKING dumb . You HAVE to take the teams into the mix & having talent on a TEAM is no good , when they are hurt ALL of the TIME , PERIOD & this affects a QB way more then many fans & media will EVER talk about !
THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE SEASON !! AND IM GLAD THAT THE ONLY RUclipsR THAT KNOWS THE GAME AT A HIGH LEVEL , ALEX ROLLINS, FINALLY CALLS IT OUT WITH EVIDENCE!!
thanks bro great video!
Thank you for perfectly articulating our offensive struggles this season. Herbert has been getting unfairly ridiculed because of the injuries to our offense, but Lombardi has been the mastermind to this failed offense. The fact Lombardi continued to call plays that had Herbert drop back in the pocket instead of moving the pocket against the Raiders was not only incompetence, but just plain disrespectful to our Franchise QB. Whether we make the playoffs or not, Lombardi's stint as Chargers OC must end after this disastrous season.
This feels exactly like what happened to him at Oregon
Interesting. I'm a huge Ducks fan, and I never thought the team's scheming was the problem. They always had a ton of talent, and rolled through the season until they got to the part of the season where everything was on the line..... then Herbert folded. Every year of his college career, that was the storyline.
I remember Herbert take over on SNF against my Steelers last year. Herbert is insanely talented and he's being mediocred. How fitting that he's part of a mid franchise like the Chargers.
That was a good game!
dolphins fan checking in, kid is so fkn talented, he needs an offensive coach who will build an offense around his strengths, this current system is boring and lombardi needs to go
Best video in this topic i’ve seen, people don’t believe me when i say the chargers weird offense isn’t herb but the OC. This explains it perfectly
Mr. Justin did bulk up a lot in the off season to help mitigate this problem. Great video. Good topic.
One on the tent pole plays in the late Drew Brees era was Mike Thomas running the slant. Don't even see that utilized often here.
Herbo has killed me ln fantasy this year, and this OC is a big reason why
Yeah they legit just don’t let him throw it’s insane lmao
The fact they went 10-7 despite this shows how incredible Herbert is.
Lombardi driving a newly broken in F1 Race Car like its a 4cyl Camry driving Grandma around. And Staley is along for the ride.
To be fair its all on Staley too. He's the guy who hired the staff when Herbert was there and decided the best guy to fine tune the F1 racer was a mechanic whose only experience is working on Camrys. Worse part is Staley's results on defense are ass too even this season when he finally got better talent but some can't stay healthy.
As a lions fan surprised Joe Lombardi is still in NFL. We've had a lot of underperforming years - but the Joe Lombardi Era on offense sticks out.
Yes , wasted [Matt ] your QB & now wasted 2 years of ours !"'Swing Pass Joe " the OC , past the word on & WE get to see HIM & Sean back together AGAIN , Like I [ FEEL ] , if Sean come here & I'd be CORRECT ! So glad Sean didn't come , if it meant kipping "Joey Lynn, JR " around for even 1 MORE year !
Great insight. It's really unfortunate to see Justin Herbert continue to be under-utilized. I know the Chargers have had injuries to WR and OL yet again, but Justin is really being shackled here. If Lombardi does get fired, and Staley is retained, I wonder who he'll hire as his next OC.
Thanks TLD. Sean Payton would be awesome..
they both need to go. Staley talks a good game, but can't back it up.
@@AlexRollinsNFL Yes in Denver & he took the F#CKED up OC with him , again !
In the Miami game we saw a little of what our offense can do right. Herbo is one of the best on the move, when we roll him out we get to see his arm as well.
Lombardi did Stafford wrong and nows hes doing the same with Herbert. He aint it.
Really hope they dont derail his career. NFL would be in good hands with Herbert, Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, etc in the future
You were all over it man! I’d love to know who you think the Chargers should go after to pair with Herbo
Here's one thing I noticed. The Chargers love the screen to Ekeler so much and it shows right in the stat sheet. Ekeler has 623 yards in total, yet he has 751 yards per catch. Doing the math based off his 73 receptions, Ekeler on average catches the ball 1.4 yards behind the line of scrimmage. I don't know if there has been a player, ever, to on average catch a ball that far back. 1.4 YARDS BEHIND THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE.
Its insane when you bring that up when CMC has been lined up as a receiver beyond the slot (lined up outside in the Bucs game) and killed his matchup to get a TD. Shanahan uses the matchup speed of his potential receivers to stress defenses and ultimately score on a big play. Lombardi uses his eligible receivers to just toy with the idea to defenses that he wants a first down.
@@t4d0W Yeah that’s why you can never count out the Niners
This is exactly what he did to Stafford in Detroit in 2014. He had Calvin Johnson and Stafford when he still had a cannon and they just did this dink and dunk bullshit.
Their offense was so predictable multiple defenders from other teams said how they knew exactly what they were doing pre snap. After that joke was finally fired he tried to throw Stafford under the bus, basically saying he wasn't smart enough to understand the system and multiple teammates immediately came out calling bullshit.
This asshole wasted the one year the Lions actually had a historically good defense and I am actually shocked that he got another OC job after he absolutely demolished a good Lion's offense.
I saw a tweet that compared Justin Herbert to Lions Matthew Stafford and I couldn’t agree more in terms of their playstyles, moxies, and situations.
Herbert makes WAY better decisions with the football, though.
@@zionnewkirk4838 You must be 10?😂 Young Matt was a MONSTER‼️
@@AreYouFNQRAZII what are your insulting me for? Stafford's always been overconfident in his arm. Not unreasonably, but still. You can DEFINITELY make the argument that the rams would've won even more games last year if he didn't throw so many picks. And he threw some UGLY ones!!!😬😬😬
This comparison has parallels actually. Lombardi after his long stint with the Saints did a one-year OC gig with the Lions. Guess who was the QB he was calling plays for? Check how well Stafford did that one year too.
@@zionnewkirk4838 Late Career Matt, We talking about Lions Matt
Gotta roll out Herbert more. Might want to take a chance in Herbert keeping that option read once in a while too. Especially on short yardage. Might fuck with some teams.
Lions fan here. Lombardi did the same thing to Stafford in his time as Lions OC. You hate to see it.
Can't forget the rib injury but yeah great video exposing the flaws in the offense
I watched the game and could totally see it. So many short passes. Williams was getting open downfield and Herbert could hit him, but even then, dink and dunk.
Still, it was definitely a game that Herbert had to get the ball out quickly. The Chargers' OL is like a sieve. They made Christian Wilkins look like Lawrence Taylor.
Can’t underestimate Allen’s importance to Herbert early in his career. His injury has been huge for that offense. Also, how many teams have offenses with multiple WRs running sub 4.4 or that could overcome an injury to the top dog.
The one solace i can find here is hes hopefully preserving more deep ball for a long, long, career
Dude after seeing herbert not being able to convert on 3rd countless times today against the jaguars and seeing this video makes sense. Wow, lombardi and staley must be getting the worst sleep hope they do not return back next season. And btw you are so freakin right Herbert can throw nukes down the field to have him under throw and check when he shouldnt definitely seems strange to strain a talented QB. Im dying to see next season to see what comes such a disappointment of a ending.
Herbert was OFF in this game . I saw this right off the start & WE all know WHY now, 2 injuries . But he still didn't have Slater & M .Williams ,J C Jackson , Austin Johnson & we lost Davis just before 1/2 time & our NO # 29 ranked defense showed BACK up ? Like they just FORGOT how to play , just before 1/2 time & ALL the way through the 2nk half of the game ? NEVER stopped the Jags 1 time .
Absolutely correct, he's been coaching Drew Brees for so long that he doesn't know how to coach a QB with an arm. Ashamed he will handicap himself with old school playback and scheme instead of taking advantage of a gifted QB like Herbert. Also all those great rookie receivers out there this year but they apparently didn't need one. Josh Palmer HOF quality my butt. Lombardi needs to go!
This video reminded me of something I remember seeing when watching all in during pre-season. It was an interview with Lombardi or Herbert Talking about Herbert developing a Rhythm with Linsley on the snap count. Something simple right. To throw a defense off. And during the interview it was mentioned that the offense was not designed for something like that. Or something along those lines. One hell of a red flag now that I think of it. Talk about putting some handcuffs on Herbert. Was wondering if anyone else remembered something similar?
Did he hold him back in the Chargers mind boggling collapse vs Jacksonville?
LOL "The chargers have their Drew Brees . . ." the irony in that statement is so poignant.
Also, someone remind me, where did the offense that everyone borrows from "Air Coryell" start again? :)
Ever think of doing videos twice a week? One on Wednesday about one of the Thursday night teams would be sweet. Your videos are amazing 👏
Thanks Jubei! They take 50 hours a week to make, so not sure I'll be attempting that hell 😂
@@AlexRollinsNFL dam sorry didn't know. Makes sense honestly how in depth they are. I'll like and comment every video hopefully the algorithm starts showing you more love.
Joe Lombardi is using Herbert like he was used at Oregon and it's disgusting.
Another great video. My pre-season pick for the AFC title game was Bills-Chargers, then the injuries hit. I have to admit, I thought the cautious play was a result of Herbert's injury and the o-line being shaky, I did not even know about the Saints scheme thing. It is almost as if the Chargers are running the Anti-Air Coryell offense. The reliance on Eckler is going to get him hurt. Some off season moves to pick up more speed is definitely needed. I just would like to see what this team could do, even without personnel or scheme changes, when everyone is healthy.
Thanks Andrew! The Chargers are always tantalizing to bet on preseason, and then they always seem to disappoint. A lot of dysfunction going on over there
It has been that way for a while. Marty should have won at least one Super Bowl with them, but they always seem to fade. I remember when they played the 48ers. I thought, this is going to be a great game. The the Niners crushed them.
Herbert went from Mario Cristobal's awful offense that used Herbert as a screen machine and now has Brandon Staley who's as bad
great video as always!
Thanks!
@@AlexRollinsNFL a request🙏 break down of the pats so called “offense” 😂🤦♂️
@@patsnation1402 I'll put them on the list!
@@AlexRollinsNFL Thanks brother! Love the breakdowns and the content💪🏈
As a Chargers fan I can’t tell you how frustrating it is watching our games. We have someone who can make any throw at any time, as good as anyone ever…and we are checking down for 2 yards or a loss on 1st and 10, 2nd and 10, and 3rd and 10. We also have a fantastic running back but our run game is so predictable due to us getting zero yard on first and second down, he has to fight tooth and nail for anything. Some things are down to bad luck, offensive line being hurt and losing our 2 best receivers for multiple games, but the complete lack of creativity in our scheming and play calling is ruining us. We have talent on that side of the ball, just not at the drawing table
Really goes to show how good Phillip Rivers was
Hey had completely different offensive coordinators but ya he was really good
I would like to see Herbert in Minnesota.
I would party hard if they finally get rid of him!
I'd be upset but also happy that he doesn't have to rot in this God forsaken franchise.
Herbert+jj=god tier offense
I said this same thing from the beginning. Staley isn't a huge problem for me, although he has his flaws. It's Joe Lombardi. It's sooo predictable and the personnel doesn't match that scheme. It's awful to watch as a fan. Justin needs a new OC.
My big question is: Staley seems to be a loyal person. He has an history with Lombardi and he always told him that if he becomes a HC, he will bring him in as OC. He proved he can do the decisions about personnel (ex. putting Salyer instead of Norton at LT) but can he fire his friend ? I admire Staley's loyalty but is he able to make the (not so) tough decision?
@@francisbeland8959 I doubt he can and it’ll cost him his job.
You do know how coaching staffs work right? THis is as much Staley's problem because he could have cut ties with Lombardi underperforming his offense as soon as last year. But he's still kept him around with the passing attack underperforming more than ever and exposed their depth on offense overall. Being a modern HC means having control of the staff you bring in.
@@t4d0W Staley's problem is his bottom tier defense even with talented players.
@@t4d0W I do and I understand what your saying but what I meant was that the offense is stagnant under Joe's offense. I realize Staley is ultimately responsible what goes wrong. But the video was pointing to a glaring issue that chargers have to fix because they are holding JH back by a predictable offense with majority of plays being quick read with check downs underneath.
Chargers need speedy WRs, they need big pass blocking linemen and a blocking back, they should be running the old Tyreek hill chiefs playbook
All those and a new OC that's willing to unleash Herbert.
right now, it seems the OC should've been fired at the bye week
It’s crazy how I said The same thing lol 😂
So frustrating
Outstanding Analysis! Exactly what I think.
Thanks Aaron
Theres lots of teams that are holding individual players back. But yes i agree with this one for sure
I mean I don’t know why anyone would be surprised about this. The chargers held back Phillip rivers for 17 years, why did anyone think Justin Herbert would be any different? As long as Herbert is with the chargers, he’ll suffer the same fate as Phillip rivers. Plus Phillip rivers played against Tom Brady, Peyton manning, and Ben roethlisberger whereas Justin Herbert plays against joe burrow, Patrick mahomes, josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, an tua. So the result clearly won’t be the same right?
Would LOVE to see a breakdown of the Saints offense from the Sean Payton era, to this year. A breakdown of why is it SO bad now.
If Lombardi is this inept, how did he get the job? Lol It’s almost like his last name is Lombardi
Great breakdown! I gotta push back on hating on the chargers weapons though. Herbert came into one of the best situations a rookie QB could come into as far as weapons go. He had two B+/A WRs. He gotta find a way to make that work IMO.
Thanks Mike! I don't hate the weapons, I just think they're missing that key speed piece. I love MW but he's a very specific type of player (also he's hurt all the time), Keenan might be done, and Ekeler is fucking awesome, but he's not going to attack you down the field obviously
As slow as Herbert's receiver talent is, one thing Lombardi has not taken advantage is his QBs ability to process the coverage very quickly. Even with a crappy O-line Herbert can still get the ball out which usually ends up in checkdowns because of how the plays are designed. Its not like the concept has not been tested as last season in the 2nd half of the season the numbers were there and even Alex brought that up. And that was with relatively the same receiver group they had. For Herbert to reach his peak like the class of QBs he was drafted with in Burrow and Tua, Chargers ownership has to have an adult in the room to help build things. None of this stubborness from Lombardi or even to Staley which is start studded defense has also underperformed. Get a guy who is about getting results and surrounding the players with a great staff and work towards Justin's best self for contract #2. Unless Telesco is still there to curse things up.
Lombardi should go coach Mac Jones I’m sure he’d fit perfectly
Herbert needs to get the hell out of the Chargers organization. And fast.
8:40 the cardinals are praying for inside zone
100 percent agree the coaching of the chargers completely changed the teams identity and made it even worse than it was, we used to lose but the team did look good and felt like a curse and games were always exciting , now we lose and we also suck and its not even fun to watch anymore, lets see if it can be fixed with this new staff
Here after Lombardi got fired
Staley must go. As soon as they are eliminated. Hopefully they won't make Lombardi the scapegoat (as bad as he is) and give Staley another year.
Yup and that’s why I traded away Justin Herbert for Kenneth walker and am sticking with geno smith at qb
I was excited when I got Herbert as my fantasy QB, but he's been somewhat disappointing this year. Great explanation on why that is.
@alexRollinsNFL - FYI: There might have been a rendering error, as the video jumps a hard cut around 3:50
How do you find the stats about his success vs cover 3
Look up the 33rd teams "The Edge" tool
The question is, WHY IS HE THERE??? #FireStaley
Someone show this to Emmanuel Acho
Awesome work Alex. I feel the Chargers were limiting Herbert but couldn't put my finger on why, and this sums it up very nicely. Which OCs do you think might work better with Herbert's talent (assuming he isn't too far gone)?
Eric Bienemy would do wonders.
This is a great great video. all of us Justin Herbert fans and charger fans, we know this. but I don't believe they're going to be any changes until the mainstream media sports channels start blasting Joe Lombardi all over the sports news. for his silly and incompetent Analytics. it is great that RUclips channels are criticizing Joe Lombardi and diagnosing the problem. but I think for now Joe Lombardi's protected because the mainstream media such as the ESPN shows and Fox Sports shows. they are not criticizing Joe Lombardi so hopefully these type of RUclips videos will become part of mainstream media and then this will force the charges to make the coaching changes
If the chargers don’t clean house he should ask for a trade
Mike Williams is a 50/50 jump ball guy. That’s it. His entire nfl career is underwhelming at best.
so what you're saying is.... if the chargers fire their OC, pick up whoever WR they draft/sign in FA who has good speed.
The chiefs are doing this and I think it is a difference of play calling, and execution
The coaching is getting episode more now that were getting closer in the season
FINALLY SOMEONE REALIZED IT
You mean people are praising a guy that has accomplished anything in the pros nothing in college just some decent okay quarterback that can throw somewhat can't even make the playoffs should have drafted burrow or tua. Or hurts because they're better quarterbacks than this guy
i’m so hurt u put the san diego skyline in the thumbnail background 😔
I'm a scorned Oakland Raiders fan from Oakland, gotta give a little love to the OG Chargers city
Defenses will always be ok giving up curls and flat routes. Offenses play into their hands by relying so much on them
And as an NFL offensive coordinator how do you not know your sabotaging your Elite QB he has to know…
I'll trade Wilson for Herbert, they seem fit for eachothers scheme
Thank you SO MUCH for making this for me! Lombardi is a fraud and is this offenses ball and chain
Man get this whole Chargers coaching staff OUTTA HERE.
Imagine if Chargers get Hyatt, Zay Flowers, or Xavier Hutchinson in the draft
Probably tear a hammy in training camp.
Feel like they have to or they'd be burned at the stake
Hey, instead they draft a guy with no separation ability like Quentin Johnston with Zay right there! Fucking dogshit, unserious org tbh
Great vid
Thanks Roobers
How the tables have turned
Justin Herbert is the new Matthew Stafford: all talent but no quality wins to his name, in part due to a shitty situation but also his own shortcomings
settle down he's been in the nfl for 3 years stafford was with the lions for like 30 years
So the Chargers are basically the fancy Lions
Great video! We'll see if Lombardi's BS'ery gets the chargers to the playoffs
Holding Herbert back could be by design because Herbert's rookie contract is almost done
And you think the Chargers are rightfully going to low ball him? Please. A team with the staff/talent would give up three first rounds to get at Herbert. CHargers can go scrape the bottom again for a top QB pick while the team who got Herbert will hopefully figure him out better than the evaluators he was previously with.
@@t4d0W probably more like 4-5 1sts and a couple seconds.
Lombardi is horrible. They wasted another year. Anthony lynn, Staley, and Lombardi screwed all of this up
Herbert destroyed the dolphins coverage by taking it underneath basically the whole game. a good quarterback knows where to go with the football, deep or short or intermediate. it was strange to see Tua forcing it downfield all game with hardly any checkdowns... like 25 air yards average per throw.. Chargers knew he was gonna do that and stopped him. Dolphins expected Herbert to launch it downfield and looked confused defensively the whole game. Winning is more important that big throws.
Fins are primarily a man coverage defense who LOVES to blitz and that combination is where Herbert absolutely cooks. The factof with the Dolphins winning wasn't predicated on their defense (Lombardi's offense does NOT win consistently and especially against better defenses) but the Fins having their way on offense. Big throws is predicated to winning especially when you have the match up and instead trying to get a first down, you actually try to score. Ask the Niners about it since they also shellacked the Chargers and put Herbert on his back.
where do you watch your film??
Try NFL plus
add that staley's defensive scheme sucks, and he WONT FIRE LAME BARDI, and you have a recipe for FAILURE.