Is there a better winner than J.T. in the first 18 seasons of Survivor? Check out all of my winner story videos here - ruclips.net/p/PL-J4ldj2BdE1pDG9Fs6QMvZB30EXCvAqv
Yes, Tom Westman, Yul Kwon, Parvati Shallow, Todd Herzog, Brian Heidik and Richard Hatch played more impressive winning games than J.T. J.T. is okay. He's a great social winner, but strategically speaking, he needed someone like Stephen to help maneuver through the game.
No I believe JT is the best winner of the first 18 seasons. Rich, Parvati, Tom, Chris D., Yul, Todd, and Earl are close though. Possibly the best win ever up there with Kim, Rob, and Tony in WaW.
@@giovanniorellana2200 Brian? Lol, he played one of the worst winning games ever. His jury management was so bad that he nearly lost to _Clay_ , aka the first-ever goat taken to Final Tribal Council. JT's game was a million times better.
Probably the best social game ever. His connection with the tribe was so genuine that they didn’t even see it as competition or intimidating-they all individually loved and adopted him as family.
You know what's crazy is that if it was actually true that there was an all girls alliance going on and he saves Russell (no one had seen Russell's season at this point) then it would have been one of the best moves ever made
As a Seahawks fan JT doing that was like when they threw the ball on the one yard line of the Super Bowl. If you pull it off your most likely the champ but unfortunately Russell threw the game on it’s head…
This is one of my favourite seasons, Great winner, Hilarious characters in Tyson and Coach, Lots of Drama with Timbira Tribe. Very Entertaining season.
It's kind of hard to think of JT like this because of what happened in his next two seasons. He went from being one of the best winners to one of the biggest collapses of a Survivor legend. In his defense though, he trusted the wrong people, which was why he lost the seasons. His game should be remembered as one of the best.
If that's true, it doesn't surprise me. JT is in fact, a very smart player. And I'm tired of people calling him dumb because of Heroes VS Villains and Game Changers. What happened on those seasons doesn't take away the fact that he played the first perfect game in Survivor History.
@@AmaraEmmeYeah but it wasn’t worth the risk. He had no idea what was going on with the other tribe and just jumped to conclusions. It was a boneheaded move.
Dont get me wrong JT 100% was going to beat Stephen no matter what but it dumbfounds me how badly stephen got lambasted. From episode one onwards there is always someone saying something negative about stephen for the sake of it. Even Jeff didn't have to do him like that in final 3.
JT is STILL a top 10 player of Survivor. His HvV move isn't good, but his game up to that point was. He was in complete control of the Heroes tribe and could have easily won that game if the tribe took control at the merge. His game in Game Changers is less excusable, but a certain 2-time winner also played awful in Game Changers.
@@parkerklimesh5659 For real it was just that Russell was a good manipulator and he got lucky that they didn’t air his first season before they filmed for HvV
@@parkerklimesh5659 Giving his idol away wasn’t worth the risk. He had no idea what was going on with the other tribe and just jumped to conclusions. It was a boneheaded move no matter how you look at it.
@@tmm4195 tbf tho he wasn't the only person saying that. I mean by that point the heroes tribe became an echo chamber saying there had to be an all girls alliance because Parvati wasn't immediately voted off and was simply existing. So while it probably wasn't worth the risk, I think it's at least somewhat excusable.
@@tatianamaranoedits4184 Idk, I think the 'new era' players would've tried to get him out early bc there was kind of a narrative during the premerge that all of the pre HvV winners were these massive threats and therefore targeted. I mean Yul was the last one standing only bc he helped to vote out Parv and he still didn't even make the merge.
Unfortunately for J.T., his playing the best winning game ever in Tocantins doomed him for ever coming back, since he could only play worse. (Similar to both Tony and Kim) I think he felt he needed to play big, powerful game in order to top his 1st time, leading to his early embarrassing exits in HvV and GCs.
@@dakidsofly09 Not even close. Re-watch One World. Kim made a _lot_ of mistakes, but she didn't end up paying for them because she was on a season with arguably the weakest collective cast in the history of Survivor. She made similar mistakes in Winners at War, but this time, there were players like Tony and Sarah who could make her pay.
Honestly, I understand somewhat, why he played the way he did in his 2nd and 3rd time around,he was a winner on a season where not everyone was, so you have to play big, his FT performance in 18 is one of the best in my opinion regardless if his performance impacted the result or not.
I still rank him in my Top 10 best winners, even with his losing games. I mean, Tom Brady lost some SuperBowls as well. :D Heck, great players like Parv and Boston Rob lost their first games. Gamechangers needs to be removed from the records for Legendary players. It was a bloodbath. :P
I’m more of a person that enjoys a good story over good gameplay. Obviously if I could have both, I would, but as long as the story of a contestant is good, I tend to like them.
In HvV JT took a huge risk we can say it was a dumb move because we knew more at that point than he. He was do focused on Parvarti (for good reason) that he didn't stop to question Russell, because nobody saw Samoa yet. We knew everything going on at the villains tribe, but JT didn't. So JT tried to play the hero and save Russell. It blew up in his face, but had it worked it would've been legendary for different reasons.
I mean it was a dumb move even though he didn’t have all the information we had. Giving away your idol to someone you don’t know isn’t worth the risk. He had no idea what was going on with the other tribe and just jumped to conclusions.
I don’t get the JT slander I’ve seen on other platforms. Yes, his move in giving Russell the idol was dumb, but it could have easily been one of the greatest survivor moves ever if it worked and he did have the right idea to try to get rid of Parvati plus no one had seen Samoa at that point. There was also a lot of pressure on him to live up to his title bc he did set the bar so high as Tocantins perfect game player and golden boy. For me, he was more true to himself in Tocantins and I feel like he could have gotten further in HvV if he didn’t play like a villain but I do understand why he did choose to switch how he played the game. He’s definitely a genuine person as well so I also don’t get why people say he’s very fake. Overall, anyone not just JT coming back to play the game after winning do have this unnecessary standard set by people to live up to.
I just watched Tocantins for the first time and watching the final tribal made me realize why Stephen is so steadfast that jury just votes for who they like and rationalize it later. I’m not even someone that completely discounts the competitions and i felt like Stephen just completely outplayed jt and jt was just a follower. Jt is a worthy winner for sure, but the fact Stephen didn’t get a single vote is just wrong
JT reminds me of Richard Hatch a little. He won his first game and when he came back he didn’t have to be a careful and could afford to make big and risky moves. Like Hatch in all stars was much more cocky because he already won. He was just there for fun.
35:28 if you are the one asking if there will be any surprises… then you are the one on the out looking in and you will end up being surprised at some point.
JT has this charisma that makes me think he'd still win even without Steven, but I wonder if that's really true. Steven was a pretty good meat shield for JT, and his presence let everyone be ok with not getting upset at some of JT's moves lol. Sure, Steven tries to betray JT and only doesn't because circumstances stop him, but overall him and JT made a good team. Steven also didn't try that hard to actually get rid of JT, he talked about it but never really tried that hard, which I've always found interesting. Would he have voted JT out if JT hadn't won immunity, maybe, but I'm not actually sure he'd get over the guilt, if that makes sense lol. Anyway, while JT was amazing this season, I still feel like finding someone he could trust really helped him in the long run. Makes me wonder how things would turn out if he and Steven were in a Survivors pair season or something lol.
He wouldn’t fair too well. He was a charming player who had a sidekick who did the heavy lifting for him. Other winners don’t care about his charisma, and see right through his strategy.
Not great. Even in this season, you can tell his calls and reads on people can be questionable. Against the biggest strategic minds in the history of the game he's totally sunk.
My bad lol then I have no idea. I just recalled looking up why every winner didn't get on. Rumor is that he was a complete tool after being voted off Game Changers, but that is just a rumor.
i know this id an old comment but i recently listened to a podcast episode he did with Stephen and he said he didnt do Winners since he was just there for 34 but he would consider coming back in the future
JT didn’t suck it was just Russel was a great player well really he’s a good 1 time player but he got lucky cause no one saw his season yet so he was able to use the same strategy but we all saw how that turned for him in RI
Erin her question was dumb. What Stephen did was also what Jt did, but she acting like jt didn't blindside other people. But that's how the game is played, you blindside people. If those people are on jury because of you , then that means you deserve to win.
it's strange to see nowadays after the participations in future seasons of jt this unanimous victory. for me it's the weirdest survivor record. how can after such an exquisite season have two such disastrous participations.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I think with Game Changers was that Sandra was smarter than him and JT is a huge football fan and let the fan boying get the best of him and wanted Brad to like him
I really thought that Stephen was gonna win because so many people liked him. I might seem weird for saying this but I was actually pretty sad when Coach and Sandy got voted out 😬
Not even a little. Spencer didn't tell JT he was gay because he feared that JT would be homophobic. JT wanted him out (without knowing his sexuality) because of his lowsy work ethic and being terrible at challenges. The only time JT was even remotely rude to Spencer was when he told Spencer that he was on the chopping block
Is there a better winner than J.T. in the first 18 seasons of Survivor?
Check out all of my winner story videos here - ruclips.net/p/PL-J4ldj2BdE1pDG9Fs6QMvZB30EXCvAqv
My favorite winner is Ethan Zohn.
Yes, Tom Westman, Yul Kwon, Parvati Shallow, Todd Herzog, Brian Heidik and Richard Hatch played more impressive winning games than J.T.
J.T. is okay. He's a great social winner, but strategically speaking, he needed someone like Stephen to help maneuver through the game.
No I believe JT is the best winner of the first 18 seasons. Rich, Parvati, Tom, Chris D., Yul, Todd, and Earl are close though. Possibly the best win ever up there with Kim, Rob, and Tony in WaW.
so are we not talking about season 22 when rob won
@@giovanniorellana2200 Brian? Lol, he played one of the worst winning games ever. His jury management was so bad that he nearly lost to _Clay_ , aka the first-ever goat taken to Final Tribal Council. JT's game was a million times better.
Probably the best social game ever. His connection with the tribe was so genuine that they didn’t even see it as competition or intimidating-they all individually loved and adopted him as family.
i think zane knight played the best social game
If JT only played this one Survivor game, he would have gone down as legendary. In Heroes vs Villains, he sort of doomed himself.
You know what's crazy is that if it was actually true that there was an all girls alliance going on and he saves Russell (no one had seen Russell's season at this point) then it would have been one of the best moves ever made
Seriously but they also never saw russel's season beforehand so they had no knowledge on what he did in the past unlike all of the others
As a Seahawks fan JT doing that was like when they threw the ball on the one yard line of the Super Bowl. If you pull it off your most likely the champ but unfortunately Russell threw the game on it’s head…
@@izzynickel7833 which is why casting Russell actually ruined the season. Imagine that season without that turd
@@Vhstape-le4mr Answer: The season would be 10x better
It's pretty crazy how much people's preconceived notions of him make such a big difference to get him to the end
The perception dilemma in Survivor is real in the game and in life!
@@OnceUponAnIslandTrue
This is one of my favourite seasons, Great winner, Hilarious characters in Tyson and Coach, Lots of Drama with Timbira Tribe. Very Entertaining season.
This is definitely one of the best winning games of all-time
JT and Stephen are one of my favorite duos in the history of the show.
It's kind of hard to think of JT like this because of what happened in his next two seasons. He went from being one of the best winners to one of the biggest collapses of a Survivor legend. In his defense though, he trusted the wrong people, which was why he lost the seasons. His game should be remembered as one of the best.
I heard somewhere that JT’s strategic game was under edited and he was equally strategic as Stephen
If that's true, it doesn't surprise me. JT is in fact, a very smart player. And I'm tired of people calling him dumb because of Heroes VS Villains and Game Changers. What happened on those seasons doesn't take away the fact that he played the first perfect game in Survivor History.
@@kellydaunis exactly
Did you hear this from JT
(Ps this is a joke)
@@kellydaunis Honestly, his move in hvv would’ve been deemed one of the smartest moves ever if there had really been an all girls alliance.
@@AmaraEmmeYeah but it wasn’t worth the risk. He had no idea what was going on with the other tribe and just jumped to conclusions. It was a boneheaded move.
Say what you will about J.T's legacy but one thing you can't deny about him is he plays to win the game, and I will always respect players like that
Same here
Exactly. Would have much rather seen him on winners at war than pathetic Ben
Dont get me wrong JT 100% was going to beat Stephen no matter what but it dumbfounds me how badly stephen got lambasted. From episode one onwards there is always someone saying something negative about stephen for the sake of it. Even Jeff didn't have to do him like that in final 3.
I feel like something similar happened to Penner
JT is STILL a top 10 player of Survivor. His HvV move isn't good, but his game up to that point was. He was in complete control of the Heroes tribe and could have easily won that game if the tribe took control at the merge. His game in Game Changers is less excusable, but a certain 2-time winner also played awful in Game Changers.
@@parkerklimesh5659 For real it was just that Russell was a good manipulator and he got lucky that they didn’t air his first season before they filmed for HvV
@@parkerklimesh5659 Giving his idol away wasn’t worth the risk. He had no idea what was going on with the other tribe and just jumped to conclusions. It was a boneheaded move no matter how you look at it.
@@tmm4195 tbf tho he wasn't the only person saying that. I mean by that point the heroes tribe became an echo chamber saying there had to be an all girls alliance because Parvati wasn't immediately voted off and was simply existing. So while it probably wasn't worth the risk, I think it's at least somewhat excusable.
@@cdonovan4471by that point the villains had voted out every man except russell, so there was some logic to it albeit barely.
He knew he didn’t have shot he didn’t try watch the Tony coaching interview with rob I love jt tho
I can’t wait to eventually see your evaluations of Russel in both seasons 19 and 20
say what you will about his returning seasons but jts game in tocantins is one of the best of all time
Exactly. I don't put him down because of his returning seasons. It bothers me greatly when people do.
Everyone was freaking about how Taj is married to a former NFL player while JT’s brother is currently a professional golfer
that's such an astronomical difference lol
JT was by far my favorite survivor in ALL seasons...
How do you think he would have done on Winners at War?
@@OnceUponAnIsland I'm not to sure, im not a fan of the whole returning players type seasons, I like new faces and new storylines...
I think maybe he would have been one of Tony's shields
@@tatianamaranoedits4184 Idk, I think the 'new era' players would've tried to get him out early bc there was kind of a narrative during the premerge that all of the pre HvV winners were these massive threats and therefore targeted. I mean Yul was the last one standing only bc he helped to vote out Parv and he still didn't even make the merge.
He was and still is one of my favorite Savior players
How do you think he would fair on Winners at War?
@@OnceUponAnIsland I think that he would be okay but he is a older player that doesn't know all of the new advantages of the newer seasons of survivor
@@capple2383 he played on s34 dude he is not older player.
Well considering he was a pre-season 20 winner, he would've been targeted immediately just like the rest of them.
Unfortunately for J.T., his playing the best winning game ever in Tocantins doomed him for ever coming back, since he could only play worse. (Similar to both Tony and Kim) I think he felt he needed to play big, powerful game in order to top his 1st time, leading to his early embarrassing exits in HvV and GCs.
facts and that’s why i respect cochran’s decision to call it quits after fvf 2. why come back after the perfect game, the perfect win?
If I had a nickel for every survivor who's played a perfect game I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
I rate JT's Tocantins win as the best ever for an all-newbie season and second-best overall behind Tony in Winners at War.
Kim Spradling: Hold My Beer …
@@dakidsofly09 Not even close. Re-watch One World. Kim made a _lot_ of mistakes, but she didn't end up paying for them because she was on a season with arguably the weakest collective cast in the history of Survivor. She made similar mistakes in Winners at War, but this time, there were players like Tony and Sarah who could make her pay.
Earl S14 wants a word with you.
@@PettyMurphyTV Earl's game is great. I rank it in the top five, maybe as high as third.
Honestly, I understand somewhat, why he played the way he did in his 2nd and 3rd time around,he was a winner on a season where not everyone was, so you have to play big, his FT performance in 18 is one of the best in my opinion regardless if his performance impacted the result or not.
JT is the first person I rooted for from the very first day. (I’m from the country too)
I love JT!! One of my all time favorite players :)
I still rank him in my Top 10 best winners, even with his losing games. I mean, Tom Brady lost some SuperBowls as well. :D Heck, great players like Parv and Boston Rob lost their first games. Gamechangers needs to be removed from the records for Legendary players. It was a bloodbath. :P
What a legend a hero a king..... and here comes heros vs villians
Didn’t realize how strong JT’s game was but I’ve alwas loved him.
I’m more of a person that enjoys a good story over good gameplay. Obviously if I could have both, I would, but as long as the story of a contestant is good, I tend to like them.
I am exactly the same. Story > Gameplay.
In HvV JT took a huge risk we can say it was a dumb move because we knew more at that point than he.
He was do focused on Parvarti (for good reason) that he didn't stop to question Russell, because nobody saw Samoa yet. We knew everything going on at the villains tribe, but JT didn't. So JT tried to play the hero and save Russell. It blew up in his face, but had it worked it would've been legendary for different reasons.
I mean it was a dumb move even though he didn’t have all the information we had. Giving away your idol to someone you don’t know isn’t worth the risk. He had no idea what was going on with the other tribe and just jumped to conclusions.
I don’t get the JT slander I’ve seen on other platforms. Yes, his move in giving Russell the idol was dumb, but it could have easily been one of the greatest survivor moves ever if it worked and he did have the right idea to try to get rid of Parvati plus no one had seen Samoa at that point. There was also a lot of pressure on him to live up to his title bc he did set the bar so high as Tocantins perfect game player and golden boy. For me, he was more true to himself in Tocantins and I feel like he could have gotten further in HvV if he didn’t play like a villain but I do understand why he did choose to switch how he played the game. He’s definitely a genuine person as well so I also don’t get why people say he’s very fake. Overall, anyone not just JT coming back to play the game after winning do have this unnecessary standard set by people to live up to.
god this was such a good season. god tier.
I love every season from 15-20
One of the Best seasons and winner ever
I just watched Tocantins for the first time and watching the final tribal made me realize why Stephen is so steadfast that jury just votes for who they like and rationalize it later. I’m not even someone that completely discounts the competitions and i felt like Stephen just completely outplayed jt and jt was just a follower. Jt is a worthy winner for sure, but the fact Stephen didn’t get a single vote is just wrong
Jt had them all convinced before final tribal took place.
Though it'd be a while from now, can't wait for the HvV story video of JT if the patrons end up picking him for it
@onceuponanisland why wasn't 3:55 labelled as a villainous moment for J.T.? 😃
Carolina is annoying everyone. JT is portrayed as the voice of the tribe.
Okay this could’ve also been named the Golden boy!
Could have! But another player was nicknamed this in season 11 so I decided to go a different direction.
@@OnceUponAnIsland wait who was a golden boy in 11? Rafe?
@@bryancarson5908 Blake Towsley. Everyone called him golden boy.
@@OnceUponAnIsland oh haha true I thought it was more relevant to Jt since Stephens whole arc in Cambodia was not to lose to the golden boy again 💀
JT will always be the Jim Halpert of Survivor for me
JT reminds me of Richard Hatch a little. He won his first game and when he came back he didn’t have to be a careful and could afford to make big and risky moves. Like Hatch in all stars was much more cocky because he already won. He was just there for fun.
this was my first ever season i watched and i cannot seem to find that same survivor high lol
Once, your vid quality gets better each vid!
One of my favorite winners for sure =)
So much LOVE for J.T ❤❤❤
Will always be one of my favorite winners
His winning game is still easily top 5 all time
holly shit, no homo but that smile is infectious
I call the J.T./Stephen Relationship a Million Dollar Bromance.
Why didn’t you do seasons
12,13,15, and 16
The patrons voted for Tocantins to celebrate the 2 year anniversary of the channel. We will circle back to Panama next time.
35:28 if you are the one asking if there will be any surprises… then you are the one on the out looking in and you will end up being surprised at some point.
JT has this charisma that makes me think he'd still win even without Steven, but I wonder if that's really true. Steven was a pretty good meat shield for JT, and his presence let everyone be ok with not getting upset at some of JT's moves lol. Sure, Steven tries to betray JT and only doesn't because circumstances stop him, but overall him and JT made a good team. Steven also didn't try that hard to actually get rid of JT, he talked about it but never really tried that hard, which I've always found interesting. Would he have voted JT out if JT hadn't won immunity, maybe, but I'm not actually sure he'd get over the guilt, if that makes sense lol. Anyway, while JT was amazing this season, I still feel like finding someone he could trust really helped him in the long run. Makes me wonder how things would turn out if he and Steven were in a Survivors pair season or something lol.
To this day it still surprises me that someone like a perfect winner can fall from grace so fast.
How do you all think he would have done on Winners at War?
He would have found an idol, given it to Tony, and then proceed to be voted out immediately
He wouldn’t fair too well. He was a charming player who had a sidekick who did the heavy lifting for him. Other winners don’t care about his charisma, and see right through his strategy.
I just don't think he fairs well on either tribe. It's possible he could flip the Tyson vote but I don't think he adapts to the new style of play.
Not great. Even in this season, you can tell his calls and reads on people can be questionable. Against the biggest strategic minds in the history of the game he's totally sunk.
@@alexcook5874 Not funny. Try cutting him some slack. Instead if putting him down, try to put yourself in his shoes.
Is there gonna be a JT/Stephen Video like the Bosten Rob and Amber Video 😎
😉
He’s Handsome 😂
And it was all downhill from there.
My first full season
When it first aired or later?
@@OnceUponAnIsland first aired and I am a JT defender to the ends of the earth
@@esdeathisbae9480 Same here. My first season was Vanuatu, though.
@@kellydaunis an underrated season imo
He is my favorite winner ever then Gabler ❤️
IMO it was thanks to luck. Sure, he played well, but it worked because the people in that season were just perfect for his trick.
One of my favorites. Why wasn’t he on Winners?
I cover that in my secrets of Winners at War video!
@@OnceUponAnIsland I believe you said that you have no information on him… 😉
My bad lol then I have no idea. I just recalled looking up why every winner didn't get on. Rumor is that he was a complete tool after being voted off Game Changers, but that is just a rumor.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Russell insinuated that JT got into some trouble and won’t ever be invited back. 🤷🏼♀️ Thanks for responding.
i know this id an old comment but i recently listened to a podcast episode he did with Stephen and he said he didnt do Winners since he was just there for 34 but he would consider coming back in the future
JT Thomas should have been on WINNERS AT WAR instead of Nick Wilson.
That was definitely a recency bias option with Nick.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I'm glad Nick was on though. I'd replace Ben with JT.
I think if that would’ve happened it would’ve been either still Tony winning or Tyson cause JT definitely would’ve kept Tyson around unlike Nick
Russell ruined season 20
From one of the all time great games....to the disaster that was heroes vs villains.
I would argue his move was brilliant but incredibly risky. He was set up within his own tribe.
To be fair nobody knew how devious Russell is in the game
@@showoutjay835 Exactly
@@OnceUponAnIsland Yes, and people really need to cut JT some slack. They should try putting themselves in his shoes.
JT didn’t suck it was just Russel was a great player well really he’s a good 1 time player but he got lucky cause no one saw his season yet so he was able to use the same strategy but we all saw how that turned for him in RI
I’m starting to suspect you really liked Survivor Tocantins
I have publicly said it is tied with David vs Goliath as my favorite.
I want to see one of these of rick devens
Oh Benjamin...lol
How did Erin get to final 4
She was a non threat
Erin her question was dumb. What Stephen did was also what Jt did, but she acting like jt didn't blindside other people. But that's how the game is played, you blindside people. If those people are on jury because of you , then that means you deserve to win.
it's strange to see nowadays after the participations in future seasons of jt this unanimous victory. for me it's the weirdest survivor record. how can after such an exquisite season have two such disastrous participations.
Heroes vs Villains saw him try an insanely risky move that could have paid off huge had he been right and Game Changers was just a mistake.
Try putting yourself in JT's shoes rather than putting him down.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I think with Game Changers was that Sandra was smarter than him and JT is a huge football fan and let the fan boying get the best of him and wanted Brad to like him
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Special appearance from my former principal
How is Debbie outside of Survivor??
Cool. Debbie was so much fun to watch.
He's my husband.
wait a minute.....this episode sounds like the episode on Stephen Fishback last week......cut n' paste?
Some moments are basically the same since these two do so many of the same things together, but no, this video is pretty much all fresh.
Someone get the vid to 400 likes lol
Mate next time you skip,you GOTTA skip to Australian Survivor Champs v Contenders 2! Give us stories of Luke,David,Harry,Janine and Pia!
Thanks for the compliment. I only cover US Survivor and The Amazing Race. 😊
@@OnceUponAnIsland really I mean Ya did do that one on Nick tho
@@chriscapps206 That was a one off thing. I need to really like a story to do anything international.
15:59
I feel like after He won he then had free passes to every returnee season then stopped trying.
I would argue differently. He played more recklessly in his follow up attempts, but he was definitely trying.
I really thought that Stephen was gonna win because so many people liked him. I might seem weird for saying this but I was actually pretty sad when Coach and Sandy got voted out 😬
This season was good - Fishbach. He was annoying.
Wasn't he toxic and homophobic toward Spencer
When?
Not even a little. Spencer didn't tell JT he was gay because he feared that JT would be homophobic. JT wanted him out (without knowing his sexuality) because of his lowsy work ethic and being terrible at challenges. The only time JT was even remotely rude to Spencer was when he told Spencer that he was on the chopping block