Thanks so much for making this video of my journey on Survivor. It feels like so long ago and boy did I say some stupid shit. But it was the best experience and so many amazing memories. Seeing my dad and my moms letter now that I have lost both of them unfortunately brought back a lot of emotions & fond memories. Although we will have to agree to disagree on my 19 “dumb” moves :)
Jenna honestly has the best edit a winner has ever gotten. What we got from Jenna was genuine and raw. Most winners today are barely painted in a negative light, which makes them obvious contenders. She didn’t feel like a TV character, she felt like a real person with flaws.
Agreed! I definitely still love Survivor today but in some ways it can feel a lot more sanitized, the show essentially preordaining who you're supposed to root for. It feels much more real that you don't always get the happy ending that the audience wants to see
Jenna was right to give her necklace to Heidi. Rob made it clear that he wanted to take Jenna to the end. Heidi immune and Jenna vulnerable would only increase not decrease the chances of Rob turning the vote against Christy
i think the reason why we do not hear about jenna"s mom being sick until episode 11 is maybe because it was the first time she said it during the making of the season.
That is possible, but I do think the edit was so focused on making her look worse than she was and because of that, they didn't want to give us a reason to sympathize with her until we had already formed strong opinions. I could be wrong though. Her mom had cancer and she isn't Adam Klein, so I don't think she was holding that card close to her chest until right before letters from home.
This is the best channel on the internet !! I low key love the subtle passive aggressive reminders of Deena “We can pee in front of each other” and Heidi “when he called the fifth girl I just knew” !!
such an underrated winner in my opinion! i think she’s one of the pioneers of a social game winner in survivor and i think that if she hadn’t have quit in all stars (for an acceptable reason) she would’ve likely made it far
Yes but no on the All Stars, all the winners were doomed from the start so she would’ve been out 3rd probably, maybe 4th if Ethan is considered a bigger threat.
Hard to know cuz there would have been an extra immunity challenge, but lets say her tribe went to tribal that night instead of her quitting. Rich is gone 100% so long as Jenna isn't asking to be voted out or something like that. Then comes Ethan and Jerri onto their tribe. I'm thinking she goes next, maybe Colby since Jerri wanted him gone really bad. Either way she doesn't last long.
Great video! I have been watching all the Survivor seasons for the first time, and I was genuinely shocked and confused as to how Jenna beat Matt 6-1. I did not like Jenna and she was not a satisfying winner to me. She felt like an undeserving winner. I did not realize how much her edit impacted my view on her until watching this video. You clearly showed how she got a negative edit that was making her look worse. You completely changed my mind on Jenna, I have a lot more respect for her game now. I'll make sure to watch the edit more closely now for the following seasons.
jenna giving away her necklace to heidi isnt dumb........ she did it to have an assurance that she wont be blindsided by rob in voting heidi and forced rob (and matt) to go with their plan to vote for christy. as rob said earlier he wants jenna to be in the final 2 with him so there's no way (around that time) that he'll blindside jenna there
Between this season and Marquesas, it became real clear that Jeff and the editing team truly and completely hate women winners. A trend that'd be even further backed up with Amber, Dani, Natalie White, Sandra (In HvV), Sophie, Michele, etc's wins - all of which are purposefully given far less screentime than men on their seasons, all of whom are portrayed as weak players and/or underserving, and all intentionally edited to look as dumb as possible. While I do think Jenna's Amazon win would be no where close to cutting it in modern Survivor, the fact she won 6-1 and four immunities is insanely impressive and I DO wish she had been on WaW to see how much she learned and matured in the 15+ years since her winning season. (Ditto with Vecepia and Natalie White)
GREAT VIDEO!!!!!! Not sure why Jenna giving up immunity was labelled as dumb though. Rob had flipped on his allies for the last two votes - what was stopping him from doing the same to Heidi? Well, Jenna knew Rob wanted to take her to the final two which would ultimately mean Heidi would have to be voted out. By giving immunity to Heidi, Jenna was forcing Rob to vote her way under the guise that Rob wanted to take her to the final two (shown in the episode). Even if he was still voting Christy, this is a move that shows strong strategic competency because not only did it take out someone who did not like Jenna, but ensured her closest ally would be sitting in the final two with her.
Rob offered her a final 2 deal, but she essentially spat in his face. Had she said yes to him and made him feel good then it wouldn't of been dumb. But to think she was still safe automatically after giving up the necklace was foolish and Rob even said this on his podcast.
@@devondonato4609 Yeah, I agree. Jenna did what she thought maximized the chances of both her and Heidi moving forward. It sounds like Rob was going to vote out Christy anyway, but he'd already blindsided Jenna at the Alex vote, so she can hardly be blamed for not completely trusting him. Almost zero chance that Rob votes Jenna out there.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I mean Jenna already lost trust with Rob with the Alex blindside. She knew he thought she was dumb and was taking her further to the game.
@@OnceUponAnIsland She knew the plan was Christy or Heidi to leave so she covered her base with Heidi. It’s not like live tribals were even allowed at this era of survivor.
2:52 Jenna's winner quote. The Survivor Historians made an interesting point that Christy might have been an equal partner when it came to the bad blood that she had between Jenna and Heidi but the show could never portray their first deaf contestant as anything but a hero. I think that's why Jenna's win seems to come out of nowhere, I remember 15 year old me not understanding at the time how Matt lost to Jenna of all people based on the way the show had been presented to us and not by a 6 to 1 vote.
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about Heidi pretty much blowing up her game at f5 tribal council by saying she was the “mastermind” of this game and that the three guys sitting next to her are scared to death of her even though mathematically those three guys easily outnumber her and Jenna 3-2. Along with the reactions from the jury, I thought that was hilarious. 😆
Once Upon An Island True, but even so, I just couldn’t help but feel the need to point it out since I feel like that moment helped prevent Jenna from getting voted off.
John Feather they were already planning on voting out Heidi, and everyone knew it. Heidi was just being petty and trying to make them look bad on her way out. She didn’t blow up her game at tribal because it had already ended once she failed to win immunity
As a European I couldn't watch a lot of the older seasons for the first time without knowing a bit or sometimes a lot about what was going to happen, so I will never get the unique experience of watching for the first time. That being said although I always respected Jenna, she has always been a side character and not as well known part of the survivor fandom as Rob. Who now obviously has the biggest survivor based podcast. That being said this really made me understand just how much the editing tried to portray Jenna in a certain light.
I think Jenna isn’t regarded as a highkey winner only bc she didn’t use her sexuality as her secret weapon on purpose. And I only mean that in terms that she didn’t become a character with a personality. Like Parvati for example knew she was attractive and used her flirting and playful attitude to get her far. And her attitude made her memorable. Jenna knew she was attractive but didn’t really play it up in terms of flirting besides the topless time and being with alex. The men just kept her in bc she was the most attractive woman out there and overlooked her until she went on the immunity run when she was on the bottom. And it’s kinda interesting that men fans like Parvati and think she’s a great tier winner because of this while not thinking about that with Jenna just because she wanted to be more strategic player. And it’s interesting to think about with the men vs women theme
This is an interesting point. Jenna reminds me a lot of Michele, who is also an attractive woman who didn't rely on her sexuality and is also underrated. They both were very well-liked by the other players for the most part, and both were strong in challenges. And while neither was Cirie from a strategic standpoint, they were both better strategists than given credit for.
Parvati pretends to be a spoiled brat this lady actually seemed like a spoiled brat. Parvati caught fish etc while this lady laid around and made a handicap person do her work.
I genuinely think people don't regard her highkey winner because she really is not. I really can't see her winning if she played like Parvati tbh. Parvati played pretty ruthless game but still people liked her as person, both male and female players. Jenna on the other hand seems pretty lazy and spoiled in comparison. Sure she is likeable enough to not voted off but I don't think people liked her enough to vote her to win if she played cutt throat game. Just my opinion though.
@@springtome74 Some people don't appreciate the kind of game Jenna played, but it's a great way to win Survivor. She was well-liked by almost everyone, she was smart, and she could win challenges. That's a great combination.
@@springtome74 Also, lol at thinking everyone liked Parvati. Nope. A significant number of the jurors actively disliked her in Micronesia, and she got smoked by Sandra in Heroes v. Villains, who was far more likable.
I say Jenna is a middle of the pack winner. She played a soild game but she didn't have too many obstacles to her win that she had to ever over atill the very end but she did amazing at making sure she was talking with the right people at the right time to stay safe. Her social game is amazing and which makes her a good winner.
@@58twright It would have been close, but they were never going to the end together. Either Jenna wins the final immunity challenge and votes out Rob, or Rob wins it and votes out Jenna.
6-1. 4 immunity challenge wins, 3 of which where when she was sick as fuck. Voted correctly all but twice. She’s a pretty damn good winner and I think most of her negative content had to do with the fact she was the first spoiled winner and the first deaf contestant didn’t really like her. But what did she actually do that was so bad? She was skilled at all elements of the game and had the most immunity wins of a winner until Tom and largest winning margin that wasn’t bested until Earl.
she pulled herself out of a challenge for peanut butter after 30 minutes, wanted to quit, said the game wasn't a competition, most of her "strategy" was based on personal opinion on others, eg being petty and emotional. trash.
@@skorge987987 I fail to see why those criticisms hold any water when she most the most decisive winner up until that point. No one looks at a curbstomp of say...a sports game and then nitpicks how the person who won 6-1 was actually a bad player because certain ancillary details that ended up not mattering. The point of Survivor is to win. Not to make big moves or to be a nice person. There is no proper or correct way to play Survivor beyond what works and what she did worked immensely. Someone only deserves to win Survivor based on whether or not that they won. She won by a lot which is the whole point of the game, not to impress randoms in the comment section of a video over 15 years later. Russell and Parvati were lazy around camp, made stupid emotional decisions, and gave up immunities in Heroes vs Villains and get trounced in a jury vote and people say they're some of the greatest players ever. This is such a silly nebulous argument you're making because she literally accomplished her goal overwhelmingly and people who weren't there and only saw 13 hours of 39 days of game still act like they know better than the actual thing that happened. Like the people who were there have mostly positive things to say about her so I don't why you're complaining.
There are MULTIPLE confessionals FROM SURVIVOR PLAYERS outside the interviews of Survivor saying that some of "what they did" were not aired or "what they said" was packaged out of context. Not defending Jenna here. For me, Jenna's "obviously" attractive look pushed her far into the game. If she looked anything like Mikaela or Abi-Maria (which I think was the player emulating her gameplay the closest), she would not go as far. My point is: She might have done some work at camp life, did great strides at challenges or said some good things but were not aired. Survivor is being aired by a bigwig network (CBS I think). Jeff Probst admitted to compacting challenge airings to few minutes when it was shot for a couple of hours. Not surprising that they would cut airtime of most castaways' confessionals, camp life efforts or challenge efforts. They need to characterize each castaway as portraying a certain image. At a precise moment to gain viewership and money. Every person is unique of course but Jenna was packaged as a privileged lady who would use her craftiness (and her mother's story) to win. Being a hardworker does not fit the image.
Season 6 was extremely cringe for a variety of reasons. The way the men spoke about the women, and the way Jenna and Heidi spoke about themselves. The only people truly playing the game were Rob, Matthew, Alex, Butch and Christy. Jenna and Heidi’s treatment towards Christy was very unkind. Christy had more depth to her than Jenna and Christy combined. They also had no problem being mean girls on camera. They were so boring and lazy. Hearing Jenna say “it’s not a competition” during tribal council was hilarious.
@@OnceUponAnIsland losing a challenge isn't a strategic move though, I would agree if she threw the challenge, but losing just losing. For it to be a 'strategic move' in my mind they have to make a decision, but in this case the other person just made her fall. That's just the way I see it though.
Just curious, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but in this video you rule Jenna voting with Heidi rather then against her as a smart move (this is something I definitely agree with). However in your video on Vecepia, when Vee votes with Sean rather then against him at F5, it was ruled as a dumb move. Was there a reason that these moves are categorised differently? (Again, please correct me if I’m misremembering something)
So Heidi and Jenna were an obvious alliance almost all game and they were never going to deny that. Jenna voting with her friend and alliance, in the end, is not going to make her look bad. However, Vecepia and Sean, all the way until he was voted out, denied, denied, denied being in an alliance. Yet, with the exception of the Boston Rob vote, they always voted together. So Vecepia voting with him until the bitter end makes her look like a liar unlike Jenna who did not deny her alliance with Heidi. However, I should of given her credit as a smart/dumb move since simply surviving a tribal is good, no matter who goes. That is something I do with all current stories.
Rob said that Butch was always going to vote for Matt. Alex and Heidi were always going to vote for Jenna. He did say he felt him and the other 3 had open minds to who they were gonna vote for since Jenna's game wasn't respected that highly. Ultimately, Matt gave them no reason to vote for him since he didn't show his strategic game was any better and his social game was way worse. Also, Rob said he liked the idea of being friends with a rich model as he envisioned being invited to lots of parties lol
So Mathew reviled that Jena was going vote rob out instead of bush at final four and tell the jury he convinced her to vote bush off then Mathew probably wins
I first discovered Jenna on survivor all stars, and related to her since I also lost my mom to cancer. I didn't get to see Amazon until much later since this was pre-streaming and it wasn't released on DvD. I stanned Jenna hard though as a kid lol. I think Jenna's game is severely underrated, and the edit purposely made her look bad. Yet when you look at it through todays lenses, her win is much more appreciate and evolved. Christy was the real villain, who pissed the whole tribe off in like episode 2 when she sat down and pouted and she was the one fighting with Joanna. It's quite ridiculous when her social game was clearly superior. Also her giving immunity to Heidi was smart in my view. Rob was not voting out Jenna since he thought he could beat her. So it was to keep them both safe. Also I don't see her final tribal as bad. She was honest and open about her feelings and the jury saw that. I also think Joanna's condescending comment towards her, Heidi, and Shawna made Joanna look terrible. She was quoting Scripture and using it to be demeaning and reeked sexism. Obviously that's more through today's lenses. But I will always see Jenna as deserving, and she should've been a lock on Winners at War.
I think black and white "smart" and "dumb" classifications are pretty disingenuous towards the player. Like losing the challenge isn't really dumb, she just lost the challenge. It's not like that was a smart or dumb decision, it was just something that happened. Maybe a scale of some sort would be better?
I am using the same black and white scale the show uses in labelling people. The focus of these videos is on the story with the analysis of gameplay coming second.
Question: right before the merge, Jaburu huddles up, goes over their plan to pick off the guys on Tambaqui and someone (I think Matt?) says "Jenna, thanks for bringing us all together." What did the edit leave out in terms of Jenna forming the Jaburu alliance?
I've been thinking Matt could have easily won the votes of the jury if only he had kept to himself this little sentence that him being nice to others was a strategy.
No doubt Jenna's in 6th place. It's hard for me to say that to someone from my home town, but it's just the way it is. From her having a social game that resembles a high school hierarchy, to her wanting to give up multiple times, to an immunity streak that carried her to the end, Jenna just fails at having a solid game, and no doubt Rob was robbed (hehe) this season.
Winner Rankings Up to This Point 1. Brian Heidik - Completely dominated the game from start to finish, never got a single vote, won 3 immunity challenges, and everybody wanted to take him to end from the final 6. 2. Richard Hatch - Innovated the game like nobody has ever done by creating the alliance, has one of the best moves in Survivor at the final 3, and proved that this is a strategic/social game and not a physical game. 3. Ethan Zohn - Incredible social game, while he flew under the radar he made his own moves by orchestrating the Silas and Brandon boots, and created a scenario where he was guaranteed final 2 from the final 4 onward and has a shot to beat everyone in that final 4 with a good enough jury speech. 4. Tina Wesson - Very similar to Ethan in that she flew on radar and made her own moves (Mitchell, Jerri, and Amber). However, she didn't win a single challenge and more importantly, took Rodger and Elisabeth further just because they were "nice" people, and only beats Colby as he threw his game down the toilet twice, in the Jury speech and not taking Kieth to final two. 5. Vecpia Towery - While she flew under the radar, Ethan and Tina, she didn't make he own moves and goes along with other peoples plans like John and Kathy's. What keeps her above Jenna is that her ability to make moves that better herself in the game and go with the flow are assets that prevented her from being voted off. 6. Jenna Morasca - She flew under radar, not as a strategy, but as she wasn't viewed as a threat by other players. She was just following orders from players like Deena, Alex,Rob, and Heidi for most of the game. Her challenge wins are impressive but only wins the game because Matthew is a person whose social game in inexistant.
I recommend watching all of the winners stories so far as I believe it would refute a lot of points made here. For example, Vecepia made quite a few moves all by herself that won her the game. Just to name two, she integrated herself into Rotu, which Boston Rob failed to do and Sean took forever to do, and of course coldly cut her ties/alliance with Kathy at final 3 to go against Neleh at the end who she viewed as someone easier to beat.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I said the Vecepia could make moves that better herself in the game, her integrating with the Rotu four is an example of that. I would actually argue that making that deal with Neleh hurts her game as Neleh was going to take her to final 2 anyway and didn't need to make a deal to guarantee it right in front of Kathy five minutes after she fell out of challenge.
@@JKellenProductions While I love Ethan quite a bit as a character, I would rank him in the bottom half of my winners list, mainly because had everything gone right with the question about the piercings in the final 4 immunity challenge, Ethan probably doesn't make it to the end. While I'm glad he did, in all fairness, he technically shouldn't have.
@@StickTrickDominoDude If Lex get's that question correct and wins the challenge the Boran boys vote out Kim unanimously and it is Tom, Lex and Ethan at the end. Both Lex and Ethan wanted to vote out Tom since they felt he was more like by the jury. Tom likely doesn't last very long and Lex wins the challenge and takes Ethan. If Tom wins the challenge he takes Ethan to the end simply because he has been asking people to target Lex all game. In both scenario's I would say Ethan still has a good shot at beating Lex and Tom.
Jack Kellen what you just said to OUAI is contradicting because you said she can’t make her own moves and she goes off of other people’s move. yet she was one of the main driving forces for Rotu 4’s downfall. then you’re saying she can make moves? like what is it then? can she make moves or not. you’re literally saying she can’t but they you said she can....what?
I agree Jenna Morasca is so much better, Jenna Lewis made me cringe everytime she spoke especially in all stars she thought she was all that I got news for her she's not lol 🤣
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Sometimes I feel like Villain moments are just dumb ones. Like when she’s talking about the shelter building. It isn’t overly Villainous it’s just stupid to not build. Love the content though!! One of my go-tos
I wonder what was going through editing's heads when they decided to paint Jenna as so much worse than she is. She had flaws sure but they seemed to actively try to make us root against her.
He also dated Corinne, he left her for Morasca, and Jenna Lewis (Not 100% sure, on this one or where I heard it. But he dated Corinne before she was in Survivor.)
@@savageguineapig5857 briefly. Then Ambuh met Rob and they have been a pair ever since. Ethan got around with a lot of the female cast, boy was a stud.
A lot of the smart moments are smaller in the edit and simply surviving a tribal council is considered smart. Feel free to double check the count though :)
I guess she did vote the right way often and won a lot of challenges after all. Also, about Alex picking Jenna. It seems that he was charmed by her based on what he says in the scene where the men talk about the women at the beginning. Seems that her "womanly powers" are the culprit for him picking her. (Also a bit ironic since all the talk later on about her having a handicap)
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That season was honestly brutal and hard to watch. Rather than having a mix of dumb players, everyone was skilled and experienced with the game. By time the final tribal came up, everyone looked worn out and like they needed therapy. I think Jenna might have bettered for not even going.
Really? I've only seen just over half the seasons, but I have Jenna over Sophie, Parvati, Vecepia and Tom. I'm not saying that Jenna played a better game than them (e.g. Tom was way better), but I enjoyed her more as a character than them.
My reasoning for this is because I feel like she was least deserving of the win. Also, yeah, Chris may have gone out way too early and came back way too late, but he still played those last days so perfectly. And I never liked Jenna as a character, she came off as bratty and entitled.
Not to many people realize there's editing in shows, they do it all the time with any TV reality series they can be the nicest person but editing can make them look bad. Jenna's not evil I respect her no matter what.
Nope. It was 6 sympathy votes. Between her stripping for food and the sob story about her mom it was all about TV ratings. She put less effort than everyone and brought her entitlement with her and put it on display. They really need to put more into the survival aspect into the show and reward people for their hard work instead of looks. I get it's part of the game but if they want to do that then get all females who have the same body types and watch the shit show as the dysfunction begins.
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Thanks so much for making this video of my journey on Survivor. It feels like so long ago and boy did I say some stupid shit. But it was the best experience and so many amazing memories. Seeing my dad and my moms letter now that I have lost both of them unfortunately brought back a lot of emotions & fond memories. Although we will have to agree to disagree on my 19 “dumb” moves :)
Thank you for watching Jenna :) and I think you were a lot better than the edit tried to portray you as.
Hope you're doing well, Jenna. Was disappointed not to see you on Winners at War
love you Jenna🤗you were the 1st Sole Survivor I saw live😅
Jenna, did you want to return for season 40 because it was an all-winners season?
queen. you're one of my favorite players ever. i hope to see you back one day
Jenna honestly has the best edit a winner has ever gotten. What we got from Jenna was genuine and raw. Most winners today are barely painted in a negative light, which makes them obvious contenders. She didn’t feel like a TV character, she felt like a real person with flaws.
did you watch that season
Agreed! I definitely still love Survivor today but in some ways it can feel a lot more sanitized, the show essentially preordaining who you're supposed to root for. It feels much more real that you don't always get the happy ending that the audience wants to see
True that
Wait, wasn't there a rumour that the edits were changed/made because the entire boot order was leaked.
Jenna was right to give her necklace to Heidi. Rob made it clear that he wanted to take Jenna to the end. Heidi immune and Jenna vulnerable would only increase not decrease the chances of Rob turning the vote against Christy
love these series! putting spotlights on underrated winners like Vecepia and Jenna
i think the reason why we do not hear about jenna"s mom being sick until episode 11 is maybe because it was the first time she said it during the making of the season.
That is possible, but I do think the edit was so focused on making her look worse than she was and because of that, they didn't want to give us a reason to sympathize with her until we had already formed strong opinions. I could be wrong though. Her mom had cancer and she isn't Adam Klein, so I don't think she was holding that card close to her chest until right before letters from home.
She does say in an earlier episode that she is close with her parents, right? That could be the foreshadowing of this..
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I low key love the subtle passive aggressive reminders of Deena “We can pee in front of each other” and Heidi “when he called the fifth girl I just knew” !!
such an underrated winner in my opinion! i think she’s one of the pioneers of a social game winner in survivor and i think that if she hadn’t have quit in all stars (for an acceptable reason) she would’ve likely made it far
Yes but no on the All Stars, all the winners were doomed from the start so she would’ve been out 3rd probably, maybe 4th if Ethan is considered a bigger threat.
Jenna is lowkey underrated....if she didn’t quit, she likely goes far in All Stars....even if she got the anti winner stigma
Hard to know cuz there would have been an extra immunity challenge, but lets say her tribe went to tribal that night instead of her quitting. Rich is gone 100% so long as Jenna isn't asking to be voted out or something like that. Then comes Ethan and Jerri onto their tribe. I'm thinking she goes next, maybe Colby since Jerri wanted him gone really bad. Either way she doesn't last long.
AJL I think she could point out Ethan is also a winner so instead of her Ethan would be the next person
Ppl would target her and Ethan like Wendell and Michele as winners who have or are dating
bigbrotherspoilers i know I’m talking about when they were dating in all stars ..
Adams Briee didn’t they start dating after All Stars?
Great video! I have been watching all the Survivor seasons for the first time, and I was genuinely shocked and confused as to how Jenna beat Matt 6-1. I did not like Jenna and she was not a satisfying winner to me. She felt like an undeserving winner. I did not realize how much her edit impacted my view on her until watching this video. You clearly showed how she got a negative edit that was making her look worse. You completely changed my mind on Jenna, I have a lot more respect for her game now. I'll make sure to watch the edit more closely now for the following seasons.
“Get the girls some chocolate and peanut butter Probst!”
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jenna giving away her necklace to heidi isnt dumb........ she did it to have an assurance that she wont be blindsided by rob in voting heidi and forced rob (and matt) to go with their plan to vote for christy. as rob said earlier he wants jenna to be in the final 2 with him so there's no way (around that time) that he'll blindside jenna there
Yeah, but also she just wanted herself to go over Heidi if it came to that which is her prerogative. Both a strategic and a selfleas move.
Between this season and Marquesas, it became real clear that Jeff and the editing team truly and completely hate women winners. A trend that'd be even further backed up with Amber, Dani, Natalie White, Sandra (In HvV), Sophie, Michele, etc's wins - all of which are purposefully given far less screentime than men on their seasons, all of whom are portrayed as weak players and/or underserving, and all intentionally edited to look as dumb as possible. While I do think Jenna's Amazon win would be no where close to cutting it in modern Survivor, the fact she won 6-1 and four immunities is insanely impressive and I DO wish she had been on WaW to see how much she learned and matured in the 15+ years since her winning season. (Ditto with Vecepia and Natalie White)
I agree she needs to come back, I hope she is doing better now :(
And now Erika!
I think Jenna would fair better today a lot better than some of the other recent players. She was the original big movez type of gal
Not tru, women get more air time then men
@@andrecanton7591 Lmao okay
GREAT VIDEO!!!!!! Not sure why Jenna giving up immunity was labelled as dumb though. Rob had flipped on his allies for the last two votes - what was stopping him from doing the same to Heidi? Well, Jenna knew Rob wanted to take her to the final two which would ultimately mean Heidi would have to be voted out. By giving immunity to Heidi, Jenna was forcing Rob to vote her way under the guise that Rob wanted to take her to the final two (shown in the episode). Even if he was still voting Christy, this is a move that shows strong strategic competency because not only did it take out someone who did not like Jenna, but ensured her closest ally would be sitting in the final two with her.
Rob offered her a final 2 deal, but she essentially spat in his face. Had she said yes to him and made him feel good then it wouldn't of been dumb. But to think she was still safe automatically after giving up the necklace was foolish and Rob even said this on his podcast.
@@OnceUponAnIsland nah it was a great move
@@devondonato4609 Yeah, I agree. Jenna did what she thought maximized the chances of both her and Heidi moving forward. It sounds like Rob was going to vote out Christy anyway, but he'd already blindsided Jenna at the Alex vote, so she can hardly be blamed for not completely trusting him. Almost zero chance that Rob votes Jenna out there.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I mean Jenna already lost trust with Rob with the Alex blindside. She knew he thought she was dumb and was taking her further to the game.
@@OnceUponAnIsland She knew the plan was Christy or Heidi to leave so she covered her base with Heidi. It’s not like live tribals were even allowed at this era of survivor.
2:52 Jenna's winner quote. The Survivor Historians made an interesting point that Christy might have been an equal partner when it came to the bad blood that she had between Jenna and Heidi but the show could never portray their first deaf contestant as anything but a hero. I think that's why Jenna's win seems to come out of nowhere, I remember 15 year old me not understanding at the time how Matt lost to Jenna of all people based on the way the show had been presented to us and not by a 6 to 1 vote.
Check out my story all about Christy to see how they definitely gave her a hero edit.
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about Heidi pretty much blowing up her game at f5 tribal council by saying she was the “mastermind” of this game and that the three guys sitting next to her are scared to death of her even though mathematically those three guys easily outnumber her and Jenna 3-2. Along with the reactions from the jury, I thought that was hilarious. 😆
Since it is the story of Jenna and not Heidi, it didn't seem relevant since Heidi was always looked at as a bigger threat than Jenna.
Once Upon An Island True, but even so, I just couldn’t help but feel the need to point it out since I feel like that moment helped prevent Jenna from getting voted off.
John Feather That moment didn’t do anything. The guys settled on voting out the mastermind before tribal.
John Feather they were already planning on voting out Heidi, and everyone knew it. Heidi was just being petty and trying to make them look bad on her way out. She didn’t blow up her game at tribal because it had already ended once she failed to win immunity
an underrated🏆winner for sure she is one of my favourites🤗
As a European I couldn't watch a lot of the older seasons for the first time without knowing a bit or sometimes a lot about what was going to happen, so I will never get the unique experience of watching for the first time. That being said although I always respected Jenna, she has always been a side character and not as well known part of the survivor fandom as Rob. Who now obviously has the biggest survivor based podcast. That being said this really made me understand just how much the editing tried to portray Jenna in a certain light.
Lmao the eye peak at 27:12 to make sure everyone feels sorry for her
I think Jenna isn’t regarded as a highkey winner only bc she didn’t use her sexuality as her secret weapon on purpose. And I only mean that in terms that she didn’t become a character with a personality. Like Parvati for example knew she was attractive and used her flirting and playful attitude to get her far. And her attitude made her memorable. Jenna knew she was attractive but didn’t really play it up in terms of flirting besides the topless time and being with alex. The men just kept her in bc she was the most attractive woman out there and overlooked her until she went on the immunity run when she was on the bottom. And it’s kinda interesting that men fans like Parvati and think she’s a great tier winner because of this while not thinking about that with Jenna just because she wanted to be more strategic player. And it’s interesting to think about with the men vs women theme
This is an interesting point. Jenna reminds me a lot of Michele, who is also an attractive woman who didn't rely on her sexuality and is also underrated. They both were very well-liked by the other players for the most part, and both were strong in challenges. And while neither was Cirie from a strategic standpoint, they were both better strategists than given credit for.
Parvati pretends to be a spoiled brat this lady actually seemed like a spoiled brat. Parvati caught fish etc while this lady laid around and made a handicap person do her work.
I genuinely think people don't regard her highkey winner because she really is not. I really can't see her winning if she played like Parvati tbh. Parvati played pretty ruthless game but still people liked her as person, both male and female players. Jenna on the other hand seems pretty lazy and spoiled in comparison. Sure she is likeable enough to not voted off but I don't think people liked her enough to vote her to win if she played cutt throat game. Just my opinion though.
@@springtome74 Some people don't appreciate the kind of game Jenna played, but it's a great way to win Survivor. She was well-liked by almost everyone, she was smart, and she could win challenges. That's a great combination.
@@springtome74 Also, lol at thinking everyone liked Parvati. Nope. A significant number of the jurors actively disliked her in Micronesia, and she got smoked by Sandra in Heroes v. Villains, who was far more likable.
I say Jenna is a middle of the pack winner. She played a soild game but she didn't have too many obstacles to her win that she had to ever over atill the very end but she did amazing at making sure she was talking with the right people at the right time to stay safe. Her social game is amazing and which makes her a good winner.
Jenna did the right thing by siding with Matt over Butch. Matt promised her Final 2. Butch did not. Always go for the better deal.
Rob would have won against her in the final 2
@@58twright no he wouldn’t have. It would be 4-3 in jennas favor
@@winstonrusso7744 depending on how the jury felt towards him
@@58twright It would have been close, but they were never going to the end together. Either Jenna wins the final immunity challenge and votes out Rob, or Rob wins it and votes out Jenna.
@@bigbuffguy9589 I just thought about it earlier as long as the jury is not too pissed at rob I think rob wins 4-3
Cannot wait for you to do Pearl Islands. I really enjoy this channel, nice work bro
6-1. 4 immunity challenge wins, 3 of which where when she was sick as fuck. Voted correctly all but twice.
She’s a pretty damn good winner and I think most of her negative content had to do with the fact she was the first spoiled winner and the first deaf contestant didn’t really like her. But what did she actually do that was so bad? She was skilled at all elements of the game and had the most immunity wins of a winner until Tom and largest winning margin that wasn’t bested until Earl.
she pulled herself out of a challenge for peanut butter after 30 minutes, wanted to quit, said the game wasn't a competition, most of her "strategy" was based on personal opinion on others, eg being petty and emotional. trash.
oh yeah and she gave her challenge immunity away to heidi in which they could've just voted her out instead, garbage player
+ lazy around camp
@@skorge987987 I fail to see why those criticisms hold any water when she most the most decisive winner up until that point. No one looks at a curbstomp of say...a sports game and then nitpicks how the person who won 6-1 was actually a bad player because certain ancillary details that ended up not mattering. The point of Survivor is to win. Not to make big moves or to be a nice person. There is no proper or correct way to play Survivor beyond what works and what she did worked immensely. Someone only deserves to win Survivor based on whether or not that they won. She won by a lot which is the whole point of the game, not to impress randoms in the comment section of a video over 15 years later. Russell and Parvati were lazy around camp, made stupid emotional decisions, and gave up immunities in Heroes vs Villains and get trounced in a jury vote and people say they're some of the greatest players ever. This is such a silly nebulous argument you're making because she literally accomplished her goal overwhelmingly and people who weren't there and only saw 13 hours of 39 days of game still act like they know better than the actual thing that happened. Like the people who were there have mostly positive things to say about her so I don't why you're complaining.
@@thefoxoflaurels3437 you are braindead
Loved Jenna’s relationship with Heidi and Cesternino
There are MULTIPLE confessionals FROM SURVIVOR PLAYERS outside the interviews of Survivor saying that some of "what they did" were not aired or "what they said" was packaged out of context.
Not defending Jenna here. For me, Jenna's "obviously" attractive look pushed her far into the game. If she looked anything like Mikaela or Abi-Maria (which I think was the player emulating her gameplay the closest), she would not go as far. My point is: She might have done some work at camp life, did great strides at challenges or said some good things but were not aired.
Survivor is being aired by a bigwig network (CBS I think). Jeff Probst admitted to compacting challenge airings to few minutes when it was shot for a couple of hours. Not surprising that they would cut airtime of most castaways' confessionals, camp life efforts or challenge efforts. They need to characterize each castaway as portraying a certain image. At a precise moment to gain viewership and money.
Every person is unique of course but Jenna was packaged as a privileged lady who would use her craftiness (and her mother's story) to win. Being a hardworker does not fit the image.
Season 6 was extremely cringe for a variety of reasons. The way the men spoke about the women, and the way Jenna and Heidi spoke about themselves. The only people truly playing the game were Rob, Matthew, Alex, Butch and Christy. Jenna and Heidi’s treatment towards Christy was very unkind. Christy had more depth to her than Jenna and Christy combined. They also had no problem being mean girls on camera. They were so boring and lazy. Hearing Jenna say “it’s not a competition” during tribal council was hilarious.
I feel honestly bad for her. She got so much undeserved hate, got bad edit, she had to quit the game and her mom died, etc.
If we go by occupation, what will the Debbie story be called?
Oh goodness lol I would have no idea.
@@OnceUponAnIsland do every job she said in the video. Might not work for the algorithm but still
The crazy cat lady
I see this channel, I click.
I find it strange how you count losing a challenge as 'dumb' it's not like she threw the challenge she just got beat.
Strategically dumb moves don't have to be on purpose.
@@OnceUponAnIsland losing a challenge isn't a strategic move though, I would agree if she threw the challenge, but losing just losing. For it to be a 'strategic move' in my mind they have to make a decision, but in this case the other person just made her fall. That's just the way I see it though.
Just curious, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but in this video you rule Jenna voting with Heidi rather then against her as a smart move (this is something I definitely agree with). However in your video on Vecepia, when Vee votes with Sean rather then against him at F5, it was ruled as a dumb move. Was there a reason that these moves are categorised differently? (Again, please correct me if I’m misremembering something)
So Heidi and Jenna were an obvious alliance almost all game and they were never going to deny that. Jenna voting with her friend and alliance, in the end, is not going to make her look bad.
However, Vecepia and Sean, all the way until he was voted out, denied, denied, denied being in an alliance. Yet, with the exception of the Boston Rob vote, they always voted together. So Vecepia voting with him until the bitter end makes her look like a liar unlike Jenna who did not deny her alliance with Heidi.
However, I should of given her credit as a smart/dumb move since simply surviving a tribal is good, no matter who goes. That is something I do with all current stories.
Once Upon An Island right that makes a lot more sense, I see why it might have been seen as hypocritical by the others. Thanks for clearing it up
For some reason, I think of her and Ethan were still together, Jenna would’ve been on WAW lmk if you think I’m wrong
Ethan definitely got married to someone else quite a few years ago.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Ethan and Jenna were together 2003-2013. They were on Amazing Race together
He said IF they were still together lol... pretty sure he knew they split apart
Alex looks like Jeff’s younger brother
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Do you mean Idoled Out?
Yeah autocorrect my bad
criminally underrated winner by a fandom full of gamebot types
I can’t wait for Parvati Micronesia & HvV journey 😍
You should title ruperts the pirate
Every story for Pearl Islands is getting a pirate name!
Jenna & Rob were the to stars of this season
I loved this season ... Jenna Morasca what a Survivor legend ....
Poor Christy😕
Rob said that Butch was always going to vote for Matt. Alex and Heidi were always going to vote for Jenna. He did say he felt him and the other 3 had open minds to who they were gonna vote for since Jenna's game wasn't respected that highly. Ultimately, Matt gave them no reason to vote for him since he didn't show his strategic game was any better and his social game was way worse. Also, Rob said he liked the idea of being friends with a rich model as he envisioned being invited to lots of parties lol
So Mathew reviled that Jena was going vote rob out instead of bush at final four and tell the jury he convinced her to vote bush off then Mathew probably wins
The power of boners
They care so much about their appearances they assume other people HAVE to dislike them for that reason lol. Couldn't be that they're vain bullies....
I feel bad for Morasca. For what she has been through
I first discovered Jenna on survivor all stars, and related to her since I also lost my mom to cancer. I didn't get to see Amazon until much later since this was pre-streaming and it wasn't released on DvD. I stanned Jenna hard though as a kid lol. I think Jenna's game is severely underrated, and the edit purposely made her look bad. Yet when you look at it through todays lenses, her win is much more appreciate and evolved. Christy was the real villain, who pissed the whole tribe off in like episode 2 when she sat down and pouted and she was the one fighting with Joanna. It's quite ridiculous when her social game was clearly superior.
Also her giving immunity to Heidi was smart in my view. Rob was not voting out Jenna since he thought he could beat her. So it was to keep them both safe. Also I don't see her final tribal as bad. She was honest and open about her feelings and the jury saw that.
I also think Joanna's condescending comment towards her, Heidi, and Shawna made Joanna look terrible. She was quoting Scripture and using it to be demeaning and reeked sexism. Obviously that's more through today's lenses. But I will always see Jenna as deserving, and she should've been a lock on Winners at War.
I think black and white "smart" and "dumb" classifications are pretty disingenuous towards the player. Like losing the challenge isn't really dumb, she just lost the challenge. It's not like that was a smart or dumb decision, it was just something that happened. Maybe a scale of some sort would be better?
I am using the same black and white scale the show uses in labelling people. The focus of these videos is on the story with the analysis of gameplay coming second.
She also wrestled
I was surprised when I found that out.
Question: right before the merge, Jaburu huddles up, goes over their plan to pick off the guys on Tambaqui and someone (I think Matt?) says "Jenna, thanks for bringing us all together." What did the edit leave out in terms of Jenna forming the Jaburu alliance?
Jenna was the one who picked the new members of Jabaru.... lmfao.
I've been thinking Matt could have easily won the votes of the jury if only he had kept to himself this little sentence that him being nice to others was a strategy.
I think both Matt & Jenna both answered Heidi's question right also i think if Robs is in the final 2 he wins
How do you rank Jenna against the previous 5 winners? Did she play a good game?
4th
The winner of any season definitely plays a good game .... But I can't put Jenna's game ahead of Hatch, Tina, heidik, Vicepia or even ethan
Last, during the season I was convinced that rob would win she was the first one I could not tell was gonna win
No doubt Jenna's in 6th place. It's hard for me to say that to someone from my home town, but it's just the way it is. From her having a social game that resembles a high school hierarchy, to her wanting to give up multiple times, to an immunity streak that carried her to the end, Jenna just fails at having a solid game, and no doubt Rob was robbed (hehe) this season.
yeah I gotta say Jenna is the worst out of all the winners so far.
Winner Rankings Up to This Point
1. Brian Heidik - Completely dominated the game from start to finish, never got a single vote, won 3 immunity challenges, and everybody wanted to take him to end from the final 6.
2. Richard Hatch - Innovated the game like nobody has ever done by creating the alliance, has one of the best moves in Survivor at the final 3, and proved that this is a strategic/social game and not a physical game.
3. Ethan Zohn - Incredible social game, while he flew under the radar he made his own moves by orchestrating the Silas and Brandon boots, and created a scenario where he was guaranteed final 2 from the final 4 onward and has a shot to beat everyone in that final 4 with a good enough jury speech.
4. Tina Wesson - Very similar to Ethan in that she flew on radar and made her own moves (Mitchell, Jerri, and Amber). However, she didn't win a single challenge and more importantly, took Rodger and Elisabeth further just because they were "nice" people, and only beats Colby as he threw his game down the toilet twice, in the Jury speech and not taking Kieth to final two.
5. Vecpia Towery - While she flew under the radar, Ethan and Tina, she didn't make he own moves and goes along with other peoples plans like John and Kathy's. What keeps her above Jenna is that her ability to make moves that better herself in the game and go with the flow are assets that prevented her from being voted off.
6. Jenna Morasca - She flew under radar, not as a strategy, but as she wasn't viewed as a threat by other players. She was just following orders from players like Deena, Alex,Rob, and Heidi for most of the game. Her challenge wins are impressive but only wins the game because Matthew is a person whose social game in inexistant.
I recommend watching all of the winners stories so far as I believe it would refute a lot of points made here. For example, Vecepia made quite a few moves all by herself that won her the game. Just to name two, she integrated herself into Rotu, which Boston Rob failed to do and Sean took forever to do, and of course coldly cut her ties/alliance with Kathy at final 3 to go against Neleh at the end who she viewed as someone easier to beat.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I said the Vecepia could make moves that better herself in the game, her integrating with the Rotu four is an example of that. I would actually argue that making that deal with Neleh hurts her game as Neleh was going to take her to final 2 anyway and didn't need to make a deal to guarantee it right in front of Kathy five minutes after she fell out of challenge.
@@JKellenProductions While I love Ethan quite a bit as a character, I would rank him in the bottom half of my winners list, mainly because had everything gone right with the question about the piercings in the final 4 immunity challenge, Ethan probably doesn't make it to the end. While I'm glad he did, in all fairness, he technically shouldn't have.
@@StickTrickDominoDude If Lex get's that question correct and wins the challenge the Boran boys vote out Kim unanimously and it is Tom, Lex and Ethan at the end. Both Lex and Ethan wanted to vote out Tom since they felt he was more like by the jury. Tom likely doesn't last very long and Lex wins the challenge and takes Ethan. If Tom wins the challenge he takes Ethan to the end simply because he has been asking people to target Lex all game. In both scenario's I would say Ethan still has a good shot at beating Lex and Tom.
Jack Kellen what you just said to OUAI is contradicting because you said she can’t make her own moves and she goes off of other people’s move. yet she was one of the main driving forces for Rotu 4’s downfall. then you’re saying she can make moves? like what is it then? can she make moves or not. you’re literally saying she can’t but they you said she can....what?
I love Jenna Morasca a billion times better than Jenna Lewis
I agree Jenna Morasca is so much better, Jenna Lewis made me cringe everytime she spoke especially in all stars she thought she was all that I got news for her she's not lol 🤣
Hey Once upon an island I’ve made something where you play survivor over discord. If you’re interested reply and I’ll update with the link. Just trying to get the word out. Keep out the great work! Thank you.
Thanks for the offer JacobyMatt but I will pass on Discord.
Ok
Her strategic game wasn’t that good but she had a great social and physical game. I would still rank her at 6 though.
she's the worst winner of all time
@@skorge987987 Lol. Have you seen Gabon or All Stars?
The epitome of the pretty mean girl in high school. The way she treated Christy it was horrible.
But she apologized to Christy, and she forgave her. But editing made Jenna Morasca look that way but she isn't that awful, she's a wonderful person.
I liked Jenna. Just wish she didn't go into wrestling and have that terrible match with Sharmell many years ago.
epic
Jenna should have been included in Heroes vs Villains.
Sometimes I feel like Villain moments are just dumb ones. Like when she’s talking about the shelter building. It isn’t overly Villainous it’s just stupid to not build. Love the content though!! One of my go-tos
I wonder what was going through editing's heads when they decided to paint Jenna as so much worse than she is. She had flaws sure but they seemed to actively try to make us root against her.
She’s a bottom tier winner imo but is probably the best bottom tier winner
@@bigbrotherspoilers9756 Oof Ethan ain't bottom tier mate
My thoughts so far are why has Ethan dated both Jenna M and Amber?
Well he is married now to a non-Survivor!
Once Upon An Island thank gosh, I don’t want to see him walking down the red carpet with Debbie or something.
He also dated Corinne, he left her for Morasca, and Jenna Lewis (Not 100% sure, on this one or where I heard it. But he dated Corinne before she was in Survivor.)
He dated amber?
@@savageguineapig5857 briefly. Then Ambuh met Rob and they have been a pair ever since. Ethan got around with a lot of the female cast, boy was a stud.
Could have sworn there were more moments marked as "dumb" than "smart". Seems like her game was flawed nonetheless.
A lot of the smart moments are smaller in the edit and simply surviving a tribal council is considered smart. Feel free to double check the count though :)
I guess she did vote the right way often and won a lot of challenges after all.
Also, about Alex picking Jenna. It seems that he was charmed by her based on what he says in the scene where the men talk about the women at the beginning. Seems that her "womanly powers" are the culprit for him picking her. (Also a bit ironic since all the talk later on about her having a handicap)
Remember me when you get big bro :)
My uncle knows Heidi. I don't know her, but my uncle knew who Heidi was before she got on the show.
Jenna morasca i remember her form TNA she was in a match with Sharmell Victory Road 2009 the match was the worst match of all time.
Great Survivor player, terrible professional wrestler
Ain't that the truth lol
MINUS FIVE STARS!!!
How do you think Jenna would have done on Winners at War?
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That season was honestly brutal and hard to watch. Rather than having a mix of dumb players, everyone was skilled and experienced with the game. By time the final tribal came up, everyone looked worn out and like they needed therapy. I think Jenna might have bettered for not even going.
Jenna is probably my least favorite winner in Survivor.
Same apart from Chris Underwood
Nah that goes to Amber and Chris Underwood
Really? I've only seen just over half the seasons, but I have Jenna over Sophie, Parvati, Vecepia and Tom. I'm not saying that Jenna played a better game than them (e.g. Tom was way better), but I enjoyed her more as a character than them.
My reasoning for this is because I feel like she was least deserving of the win. Also, yeah, Chris may have gone out way too early and came back way too late, but he still played those last days so perfectly. And I never liked Jenna as a character, she came off as bratty and entitled.
Amber at least seems like a good person, and her strategy is a tried and true one.
She is my least favorite winner/castaway from the classic era.
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I like her more than I like Bryan. So there’s that.
Elijah Culper I mean female winner
I liked Jenna much more than Richard Hatch.
You lack taste. Her game was way better than Tina, Vecepia and even Sandra in PI.
Her game is better than Vecepia and Tina.
For me, the worst winner ever in Survivor
I think Jenna was arrested in 2018. Drunk driving and drug paraphernalia. A little humility would go a long way.
Not as good as Ethan but better than Tina
Jenna is hot, Heidi is not! Why does the show portray Heidi as that hot one 😂😂
Both Heidi & Jenna were attractive in my opinion, it was just the edit Heidi got.
@@thebeardedwondercorbin8058 I thought Heidi was the least attractive of the women
If I had to be honest, she's probably one of the worst winners.
There's far worse winners that didn't do anything but they won for an example Bob he didn't do anything.
The only reason Jenna won this season is because she’s hot and the guys that season didn’t think with their upper heads…
My one of the least favorite winner. Just gives me mean, spoilt brat vibe not even likable one at that.
Edited badly because of a leak
@Onceuponanisland we are waiting for ur modern survivor content. Interesting videos about ppl no one cares about now unfortunately
There are over 6,000 people who care about the content I am making right now. We will get to modern Survivor in due time.
I enjoy ur podcast a lot for sure, but I just feel like the amount of stories there are to tell from even 12-20 25-33(minus caramoan) 37-40.
@@spencerbarich9768 I am going through the seasons chronologically.
@@OnceUponAnIsland don't worry, he is just padding the algorithm despite his low tier comment and contribution.
How can someone so evil end up with such a good guy like Ethan!?!
Well they never got married and I wouldn't call her evil.
How exactly is she evil?
Not to many people realize there's editing in shows, they do it all the time with any TV reality series they can be the nicest person but editing can make them look bad. Jenna's not evil I respect her no matter what.
Nope. It was 6 sympathy votes. Between her stripping for food and the sob story about her mom it was all about TV ratings. She put less effort than everyone and brought her entitlement with her and put it on display. They really need to put more into the survival aspect into the show and reward people for their hard work instead of looks. I get it's part of the game but if they want to do that then get all females who have the same body types and watch the shit show as the dysfunction begins.