Dan Grieves spoke about this. I dont think it has to do with "increasing the surface the ball glides on", but maximizing "groove bite" by being more square at impact. Attacking the ball with a square face = the ball slides up the club face vertically to maximize "groove bite" on the ball Attacking the ball with an open face = the ball slides up the club face at an angle. The grooves cant effectively bite into the ball at an angle.
Wouldn’t the open face be used in this case to protect against digging given he is adding wrist hinge and speed to a shot from a tight lie? While it doesn’t add spin, preventing the leading edge from digging and using a little extra bounce to maximize ball to groove contact would make sense
@@ahastar1141 I agree with you about an open face to expose bounce to avoid digging. I think an open face adds spin, but has less bite vs square at impact. I make up for it by hitting with speed and more loft. It seems possible to open the face and still be square at impact, but nothing I can pull off. An open stance + open face has a super weird club path to me.
The steeper aoa combined with a more open club face produces more spin in the right conditions. A Brand new wedge and ball makes a huge difference too. Sharp grooves will always grab the ball, the only time it’s gonna “slide” up the face is in the longer rough or from lots of water on the face
Yes you have to play a good ball no matter the brand and compress the ball almost in that distance. In reality a steep attack and pure contact will almost always produce this.
Rory explained it in a video. The trick is to keep the face open at impact and during the follow through without it closing or becoming square. If your hands turn over like in a regular swing, you won't be able to impart the spin necessary to stop the ball within two bounces. Rory also sets up a bit open compared to square to target.
The reason the steep angle helps is it means there is less grass and debris between the club face and the ball, (as opposed to sweeping it acrose the grass first) increasing friction since the club(and its grooves) are contacting the ball directly. Also hitting the club face as square as possible increases this effect as it's hitting more grooves.
It's not the amount of surface, it's because of the gear effect getting the ball low on the face, this crispy shot occurs naturally when you hit it from the green. QED
That particular shot of Rory reminded me a lot of the way Wesley Bryan hits a lot of his short game shots. He's really steep but he does it in a way that maximizes the square face the longest through impact, imo
I've been trying to figure out Wesley's move for a while now. It's definitely steep but very. Does he break it down in any videos? It's pretty unique. You think he decels? His hands are obviously magic. I think he takes that long arm swing, back and through, but accels a lot with his hands/wrists right through impact, almost like a late cast or bunker shot.. It's pretty hard to spin it, no matter what you're doing if you're actually decelerating the clubhead.
Notice how rory didn't take a divot. He perfectly clipped the ball of the turf, maximizing speed through and at impact as well the surface tension created between the club gave and the ball. You can't create that much tension with a swing motion. It is all at impact and cleanly picking it off the turf. Rory had a specific dimple and groove he was trying to have come together at impact.
@@loduca16 wrong. It’s creates a steeper aoa and a lower trej into a raised green. Will spin way more than an uphill lie which generally lessen the spin obviously due to a higher aoa but adds more trej. Slight downhill lies into a raised fast green will 100% spin the most.
The courses around me dont water enough to perfect this... we get roll off from 10ft into the green unless your playing darts and dropping it in from up high with a lot of spin
To spin the ball, you have to clip it on the bottom grooves cleanly, without any grass getting between the ball and clubface. The ball is on the club face for 2-4 milliseconds. There is no "rolling" going on. When I need spin, I imagine I'm trying to wrap just a tiny portion of the golf ball around the leading edge. It usually comes out half the height or less of a stock shot, but when it lands its spinning like a mf.
As INSANE as Rory’s shot was, don’t forget these guys are getting new wedges like, once a month. Their grooves are always the most fresh. Wedges don’t last as long as people think.
@McLovin201 range ball vs premium ball is apple to orange. I'm saying replacing your wedges just to get fresh grooves makes such a small difference in spin generation. The grooves are there to displace earth and water, which really only helps when you don't strike the ball pure. Spin is a function of spin loft.
@@NbaYoungboy692 it’s a TaylorMade video. “Rory teaches one hop stop” or something like that. The technique actually helped me in a lot of aspects of chipping after some practice
Rory is what the high handicapper believes their game should be. Drive the piss out of the ball and attempt all the open face 60 degree wedge shots lol
Not the same. Rory’s was low flight yours looked higher. He also did not take a divot you did. Use a new wedge and hit down on it but don’t take a divot and you’ll get the same exact shot. I’ve been working on less ulner deviation and my miss is exactly this - thin and it comes out low with tons of spin.
The way he gets that crazy spin is by opening the face, hitting ball before ground and finishing the swing with hands low to the left. It’s like he’s trying to slice it if that makes sense
It's much easier to do it off the lie Rory had compared to your janky grass 😂 Don't get me wrong it's still a tough shot but when the fairway/fringe is so pure like that it's a lot easier.
So I hate to be that guy, but he's actually not sweeping under that ball from what I can see. He's actually blading it and using the edge of the club to generate an insane amount of friction and back spin
Mans put two clips of Rory like we wouldn’t notice 😤😏
two clips of Rory??
@@golfslump I believe this was a compliment, stating your shot was similar to Rorys!
@@golfslumphe just means your shot was just like his. Just complimenting you’re smooth buttery swing
@@golfslumpit’s a compliment 😂
Went way over your head @@golfslump
not to mention rory did it with the slope running away from him 🤯
Down slope actually helps produce more spin because you can clip it easier
@nathandaigle9764 mitigated some of the bounce off the club face
@@nathandaigle9764 slop on the green was down hill is what he was saying i think
Almost zero bounce on that wedge. Couldn't even come close to that shot with off the shelf wedges.
And no wind into his face like this guy
Dan Grieves spoke about this. I dont think it has to do with "increasing the surface the ball glides on", but maximizing "groove bite" by being more square at impact.
Attacking the ball with a square face = the ball slides up the club face vertically to maximize "groove bite" on the ball
Attacking the ball with an open face = the ball slides up the club face at an angle. The grooves cant effectively bite into the ball at an angle.
Wouldn’t the open face be used in this case to protect against digging given he is adding wrist hinge and speed to a shot from a tight lie? While it doesn’t add spin, preventing the leading edge from digging and using a little extra bounce to maximize ball to groove contact would make sense
@@ahastar1141 I agree with you about an open face to expose bounce to avoid digging.
I think an open face adds spin, but has less bite vs square at impact. I make up for it by hitting with speed and more loft.
It seems possible to open the face and still be square at impact, but nothing I can pull off. An open stance + open face has a super weird club path to me.
The steeper aoa combined with a more open club face produces more spin in the right conditions. A Brand new wedge and ball makes a huge difference too. Sharp grooves will always grab the ball, the only time it’s gonna “slide” up the face is in the longer rough or from lots of water on the face
Also when you swing with your wrists you’re apply more down force and less force accross the ball so more spin les distance
Yes you have to play a good ball no matter the brand and compress the ball almost in that distance. In reality a steep attack and pure contact will almost always produce this.
Considering you’re also not playing on tour tournament greens I’d say that’s pretty damn close brotha! Keep on putting out content!
Thanks man!! Pretty happy with that!! But I could never do this under pressure
Playing onto a raised green makes a difference for these shots. Tiger played a very similar one in the masters in ‘05 I think it was.
Channel keeps getting better and better, thanks for all the dope information, my game has improved because of you.
Appreciate it!!!!! 🫶🏻
Rory explained it in a video. The trick is to keep the face open at impact and during the follow through without it closing or becoming square. If your hands turn over like in a regular swing, you won't be able to impart the spin necessary to stop the ball within two bounces. Rory also sets up a bit open compared to square to target.
The reason the steep angle helps is it means there is less grass and debris between the club face and the ball, (as opposed to sweeping it acrose the grass first) increasing friction since the club(and its grooves) are contacting the ball directly.
Also hitting the club face as square as possible increases this effect as it's hitting more grooves.
Good job bro, try it on a little downslope. It will stay lower.
He explains this shot. It’s like 1out of 50 for him. Crazy in the pressure
You need the club pointing at you during the whole swing!!! Even the hit and follow through. Guaranteed max spin!💯
New groves makes a massive difference
My dude much appreciated as always
For the first time, that is an incredible shot!!! Soo awesome
It's not the amount of surface, it's because of the gear effect getting the ball low on the face, this crispy shot occurs naturally when you hit it from the green. QED
That particular shot of Rory reminded me a lot of the way Wesley Bryan hits a lot of his short game shots. He's really steep but he does it in a way that maximizes the square face the longest through impact, imo
I’m from Canada and have golfed for 55 years and have never seen one person spin the ball back that I’ve played golf with on watched in person!
The contact is more important than the hinge. Pure vs your chunk and run
@golfslump you always have the best tips… Can’t wait to try this, please provide more backspin videos and keep up the great work 😊
This is a very risky shot though! But thanks for the kind words!
You almost decel through the ball… that’s a Wesley Bryan favorite.
I've been trying to figure out Wesley's move for a while now. It's definitely steep but very. Does he break it down in any videos? It's pretty unique. You think he decels?
His hands are obviously magic. I think he takes that long arm swing, back and through, but accels a lot with his hands/wrists right through impact, almost like a late cast or bunker shot.. It's pretty hard to spin it, no matter what you're doing if you're actually decelerating the clubhead.
I don't think I've ever seen a shot as good as that bar tigers clutch masters chip at 16.
I dont think theres a single golfer out there who doesn't know this shot
Davis Love III hit the same shot at 16 in 1999. Got him to within one of the lead, but Olazábal came out on top.
@@rollyhustle He was in a similar position but it was a completely different lie and situation.
Notice how rory didn't take a divot. He perfectly clipped the ball of the turf, maximizing speed through and at impact as well the surface tension created between the club gave and the ball. You can't create that much tension with a swing motion. It is all at impact and cleanly picking it off the turf. Rory had a specific dimple and groove he was trying to have come together at impact.
A specific dimple and groove…… no. He is unbelievably good but he’s not a robot
The slight downhill lie hitting into a raised uphill green really helps make it spin more. Not to mention a spinny ball and a fresh wedge.
A slight downhill lie isn’t going to produce more backspin than a slight uphill lie.
@@loduca16 wrong. It’s creates a steeper aoa and a lower trej into a raised green. Will spin way more than an uphill lie which generally lessen the spin obviously due to a higher aoa but adds more trej. Slight downhill lies into a raised fast green will 100% spin the most.
The courses around me dont water enough to perfect this... we get roll off from 10ft into the green unless your playing darts and dropping it in from up high with a lot of spin
To spin the ball, you have to clip it on the bottom grooves cleanly, without any grass getting between the ball and clubface. The ball is on the club face for 2-4 milliseconds. There is no "rolling" going on. When I need spin, I imagine I'm trying to wrap just a tiny portion of the golf ball around the leading edge. It usually comes out half the height or less of a stock shot, but when it lands its spinning like a mf.
Best way to chip, I’ve changed to this kinda similarly and been sticking it to inside 5 feet everytime
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Nice shots!
Thanks!
I can't wait to try this. Also Nice shot.
Try it at your own risk!
Keep practicing it and you'll get it to spin more
As INSANE as Rory’s shot was, don’t forget these guys are getting new wedges like, once a month. Their grooves are always the most fresh. Wedges don’t last as long as people think.
Nobody is forgetting that tour players often use new equipment
It's not his equipment. It's his technique. You can rip back a shot with a 10 year old wedge
@@dsc-nr5zy dude, equipment matters
It's definitely both. Go try this shot with a range ball a thousand times and report back.
@McLovin201 range ball vs premium ball is apple to orange. I'm saying replacing your wedges just to get fresh grooves makes such a small difference in spin generation. The grooves are there to displace earth and water, which really only helps when you don't strike the ball pure. Spin is a function of spin loft.
Yours had heaps of side spin too. Rory hit everything square to create more spin and stop dead stoll
That was really good
Thanks man!! Appreciate it
Nice shot!!
Its like he throws his shoulders into that shot 👍 good shot dude
Rory is playing that shot onto an elevated green much much harder
Can you do that with a pitching wedge or a 60?
which one, first one or the second one? First one spun more, second closer...
This is how I started chipping mainly 6 months ago. Before that I was flopping only 🤣making my way to normal bump and run chips soon
If I had new wedges every round I would spin it like that too.
It would help to play on those greens
Always got time for your vids. Love thst open face techniques
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Nice hat King! 👑
Good shot!
Wedges lose their spin by a lot after a few rounds. Many pros get new ones every week
I think you have to reduce the radius of your backswing as well
Back in the stance, open club-face, extra wrist hinge ..... a.k.a. Shank-opotamus
Rory put out a tutorial video of his technique a few years ago. Only difference was ball location
What’s the name of the vid ?
@@NbaYoungboy692 it’s a TaylorMade video. “Rory teaches one hop stop” or something like that. The technique actually helped me in a lot of aspects of chipping after some practice
Also not mentioning having you club grooves sharpend, and not attempting this shot on a municipal course green…
Where did you get your sweeeet ping grips …. I’ve never seen those before … incredible … please help me get some lol
Don't forget that the type of greens also plays a part.
Pick it clean, no divot.
Great shot
More speed in your swing
Use a sand wedge
His feet are open. Your feet are closed. Huge difference.
Slight uphill never does you any harm either 😉
Hahaha
“Obviously I’m not Rory” proceeds to put it 1 foot away from the pin…
Rory is what the high handicapper believes their game should be. Drive the piss out of the ball and attempt all the open face 60 degree wedge shots lol
Imagine thinking that this is Rory
Says he’s not Rory but proceeds to put the ball 6 inches from the hole 😭
Yeah Rory doesn’t even take divot either, pretty strong
That looks like my driver swing!
That's only if the stint of the greens always that backspin to stay
What is the iron club number , pitching or 60 degrees ?
60
It’s called a “knock down”
basically a sand shot
Not the same. Rory’s was low flight yours looked higher. He also did not take a divot you did. Use a new wedge and hit down on it but don’t take a divot and you’ll get the same exact shot. I’ve been working on less ulner deviation and my miss is exactly this - thin and it comes out low with tons of spin.
It's been proven multiple times that the ball does not glide over the face on wedges
When yoi have the worlds greatest players questioning how you pull a shot off like that yoi know its incredible.⛳
This is true!!
In Pinehurst, we call that "pulling the string."
Ooooooh I like it
What’s golfbox?
what wedge did u use?
Prolly 60 degree
60!
I love it how all these YT “golf instructors” always choose uphill chips to demo the shot😂😂😂
Fixed all your divots ill assume lol heaps of ground infront of you at the end😅
I'll try that
took him 10 swing edits...
Great shot, but it did not have a similar bite.
W video!!!
Nice!
Looks like he’s trying to add loft and hold that angle
The way he gets that crazy spin is by opening the face, hitting ball before ground and finishing the swing with hands low to the left. It’s like he’s trying to slice it if that makes sense
No shit
@@loduca16 You probably have a 15 or more handicap. Learn don’t mock
The ball does not "Glide" or roll up the club face, very incorrect information.
It's much easier to do it off the lie Rory had compared to your janky grass 😂
Don't get me wrong it's still a tough shot but when the fairway/fringe is so pure like that it's a lot easier.
Nice
Twice as high
Did he make that putt?
Vibes de pro
The ball is not gliding up the face.
I think rorys was perfectly square. He started with it open then closed it on impact
back spin
ball 90%
club 9%
technique 1%
More wrist.
Now miss a 2 ft putt
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It looked nothing like it haha
56 ?
60!
@@golfslumpOpen your feet.... probably use a 56 too (thanks for being the best teacher)
Birdieeee!!!!
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Now miss the putt 😂
😅
Pretty fg.
So I hate to be that guy, but he's actually not sweeping under that ball from what I can see. He's actually blading it and using the edge of the club to generate an insane amount of friction and back spin