1979 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am vs 1971 Buick GSX | Pure Stock Drag Race
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- 1971 Buick GSX vs 1979 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
First car is a 1979 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am. The other a 1971 Buick GSX. The Buick GSX has a 350 V8. The Trans Am has a 403 Oldsmobile V8. The 350 in the GSX was only rated 260 horsepower (195 net), and the Trans Am even less with 185 net. Both the GSX and the Firebird have the TH350 3-speed automatic transmission. Rear gearing in the Trans Am is 2.41, while the Buick GSX has 3.42 rear gears. The Buick GSX weighs-in at 3840 pounds, including the driver. The Trans Am, with driver, weighs 3810 pounds. There were 48,488 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am cars produced in 1979 with the 403 V8, while there were only 124 TOTAL 1971 Buick GSX produced (this includes the 350 cars in addition to the 455 cars).
Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (PSMCDR). FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire factory stock. Super Car Drag Race.
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The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - CR 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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Before you watch, who do you think takes home the win?
I put my bet on the Pontiac
Some of your jokes and editing are epic and I send your videos to others because of them. It’s the excess that you need to trim. Less is more but DONT kill all the jokes and editing. Pick the best. Like the Impala 4 speed joke with editing you did recently. That was perfect. The Captain Planet editing and joking was also perfect. Farts and horneyness can go away
@@the.mr.nobody The fart sounds are definitely over the top. The sex innuendos or references would be okay every once in awhile.
Yes you could get the four-speed with the Oldsmobile 403 cuz I had one they were special order only
@@stevenhelton8671it was probably a 77 or 78 California car because the Pontiac 400 was unavailable there from 77-79 and the 403 was substituted.
Amazing that the TA ran that quick with those rear gears.
Tell me about it I almost don't believe it
I had the same trans am with those stock gears and I couldn’t even do a brake stand. It was awful but I did drive it from Massachusetts to Florida, and cruising at 75 mph I got 21 mpg. It was a complete dog though but a lot of guys that have these fine tune the qjet with bigger jets and rods, recurve the distributor, and throw real dual exhaust on and run these numbers. I’d take a 400 Pontiac that was in my other trans am over a 403 anyday though
Me too , a smoged out 403R and 2.41 gears 😂😂🤣🤣
@@danhoyland142absolutely, they de-cat, are allowed an overbore, are allowed up to 1.5:1 more compression, they clean up the heads, intakes, manifolds and work the Q-jet, they probably work the TH350 and use a small converter too, might even use limited travel lifter, longer pushrods, slightly over spec rocker ratio with a factory rocker, blueprint, balance and science the combo out to the bleeding edge of what can be called factory stock.I'm sure...I have a feeling that if my friend Dallas Brown did that much science on that Buick 350 it would have been significantly quicker, I think the times it turned in were only a couple tenths better than a car off the showroom floor with the carb and timing optimized.
@@hendo337you're right that they're able to tweak the cars in those ways, but I think you're wrong on why the results were what they were. That Buick is most likely tweaked as much as the TA. The weight of the cars is pretty much the same, both are low compression motors. The Buick has a half step more compression and a way better rear end gear ratio for the quarter mile but the TA engine has 50 more cubic inches. The results make sense.
Way better times than I expected.... Great race!!!
Respectable ETs for both.
Nice to hear the ol Quads open! Slow iron or not, that's a sound we're sorely lacking today!
You know it! I had a 1979 Formula with the Olds 403. Bought it new, had it for 17 years.
Y'all voted for sleepy Joe Biden and china boy's, hope you are happy!
I had may GM products from the 70s & 80s & ALWAYS turned the breather cap upside down on all those 4 barrels just to hear those Quads open up
I had a brown and gold T/A in the mid-80s with the exact same stock drivetrain. Looked nice with Center Line wheels, tinted windows and of course, louvers on the back glass. LOL It ran about the same as this one stock, but a rebuild of the 403 Olds with compression increase, Edelbrock Performer intake, headers with duals, rebuilt and modified Q-jet and high volume fuel pump helped. With new 3.42 gears, traction bars and a rebuilt trans with shift kit I was into the 13s. Not too bad for a smog-era heavyweight but certainly no rocket. Still, I would love to own it these days as it was a super fun car to drive. Great memories.
Picked GSX. Seeing that stiff geared TA win was a surprise.
I was surprised as well I used to whip up on one of those cars back in high school.
All “TA 6.6“ 400 Pontiac engines in 1979 were actually stockpiled 1978 engines. They installed exactly 10,000 of these in both Trans Ams and formulas in 1979. And they were all 4-speeds, no automatics
Not 10,000 of them, only 8,326 of them in Trans Ams that year. 2,917 of them were T-top non-SE cars, 2,485 were hardtop non-SE cars, 1,107 RPO code Y84 Black SE cars, 1,817 RPO code Y89 10th Anniversary cars, and about 346 Firebird Formulas. Yes, all were equipped with the Borg Warner Super T-10 transmission. I have one of the 1,817 10th cars.
i worked at a Pontiac lot in late 70's.a lot of 79's came with 400's and automatic.
@@johndillinger8482 “6.6 Liters” (403 Oldsmobile) yes, not “T/A 6.6s” (400 Pontiac) in ‘79. The Olds cars were ONLY automatics.
I'm not a GM guy, but i thought the 4 Speed Trans Ams had a Pontiac 400, and all the Automatic Trans Ams had a Oldsmobile 403. And i believe the Pontiac 400 Engine was the more desirable outta the two.
@@johndillinger8482 That is incorrect. What you probably saw were 301 Pontiac "L37" VIN code "W" engines which look close to the 400 because Pontiac did not have a small and big block V8 engine. 1979 Pontiac 400 engines were only paired with the Borg Warner Super T-10. The 301 in 1979 could be had with an ST-10 or an automatic. The 403 was only paired with the TH350. In 1978, you could get a 400 with either the automatic TH350 or a BW ST-10, but not in 1979.
Now that's what a drag race should look like.
Respectable for what they are. Low compression smog motors. Still, great cars and seeing them being flogged on the drag strip is awesome.
Thank you. I much prefer this style of commentary. That being said, I’ve always been a fan of drag racing and I enjoy all of your content.
You know I enjoy your humorous antics with the fart sounds and other things you put in your videos it's why I tune in. So if someone was triggered by any of it or offended well they shouldn't be looking at RUclips videos with old muscle cars. Keep up the great work and don't change your humor for anyone or anything...
Great race. This is what makes great racing, parity. I am surprised they ran this well. The GSX looked rough. The TA ran well considering those ridiculous gears. To give you an idea, my 74 Charger Rallye 440 with the torqueflite and the optional 3.55s ran 15.0 at 92 out of the box. Identical to the TA. However, I recurved the distributor, improved the exhaust flow (no headers), and rejetted the carb, sticky redlines and got it down to 14.5 at 97 mph.
Mopars are always faster than Ford's and Chevy's. My daddy said his 69 440 charger used to play with the Camaro and mustang's
@@wildestcowboy2668 Always is a dangerous word to use.
Gotta remember the class allows like 0.060" overbore, 1.5:1 more compression, cat deletes, balancing and blueprinting (factory mopar is notorious for having loose specs and bad balance stock) and more beyond a rejet and recurve.
@@wildestcowboy2668most Camaros only had a 350 or 396 and most mustangs had a 302 or 351, I would hope a 440 could whip up on them.
@@hendo337 You are preaching to the converted. This type of racing can pit an off the street car against literally an NHRA Stock competitive car sans the 9 inch slicks. Actually in PSDR rules you can go 70 overbore, so on a 350 you are getting a 362 cubic inch engine. Add the extra 1.5 compression and a super (not your local speed shop balancing and blueprinting) but a meticulous precision B and B. You can run aftermarket pistons too. Factory parts could be out of spec as much as 10%! You add all this up and a 340 Duster 4 speed is putting the boots to your big block 442.
Always cool to see old muscle cars go down the strip, but it also makes you appreciate what we have now. I have a 2010 Jaguar XF Supercharged, and with only a tune I do 12.3's in the 1/4. I've seen other family sedans, stock, in the 12's. Classic muscle cars definitely have class of their own, but the real performance era is today. Let's enjoy it before everything goes electric.
dude, a supercharger can make a lawnmower fast. not impressive.
Sooooo glad the commentary is back !!!.
Impressed with how well both of them did!
But it's a GSX...all that matters. Very rare and the most sexiest lines ever.
If the TA took advantage of the rules, TA, If they are closer to stock,, or the GSX tweaked things, the GSX. Edit just to say thank you, hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
I wish the Buick would have done better but it was great to watch some close racing. Jokes or no jokes, that is the question; I like the jokes but if you had to do away with them for some reason, that would be okay but don't do away with the the commentary. Your videos are better with commentary than without. Thanks for the great videos.
Please don't stop the jokes and the sound effects! They're what makes your channel unique and I for one think you're hilarious.
Actually they are annoying 🙄 😒
I prefer them without. The content and presentation is really solid on its own and doesn't need fart crutches. Keep up the great content Cars and Zebras!
I am going to pick the Buick even with the 350. That super tall rear gear in the ‘bird is a LOT to overcome. Comparable weights and HP and the same trans.
Nice vids! I appreciate the volume of information and consistency, with succinct presentation. The mature jokes are funny in my book... I saw a couple vids without the car specs, and it just wasn't the same watching only the races while not knowing what the cars were made of. Nice work here, keep it up!
My Dad has a 79 Formula, sad it’s not running. Keep up the content!
No more jokes. Numbers and results for the win!
Got a couple videos of a 403 trans am on my profile, it's not 180 hp and it doesn't run 14s lol kinda funny how people just assume you can't get power out of them things
Time to run some stock 80's muscle cars, IROC's, TA's, GN's, Hurst Olds, Monte SS, Mustang GT and of course the Mopar turbo 4's
The '79 and '80 H/O and 442 Rocket 350 warmed up to.the max the rules allow, a 78-79 El camino/Caballaro LM1 350 4 speed, 78-81 9C1 Malibu LM1 350 or '77-78 Catalina 2 door 400ci might be surprising.
They both did the air cleaner lid flip for third round! Wish someone had a 69-72 Grand Prix to run there especially a Hurst SSJ or even just a 70 455 4 speed SJ
you’ll see a ‘69 SJ 4-speed in a future video
Oh! the air cleaner flip, I remember that.
There were essentially no 70-72 455 4 speed GPs...now a 69 428 4 speed is something that was semi common.
I had a 1977 T/A with a 400, 4spd and loved it but like these cars you were timed in the quarter mile with a SUN DIAL. LOL
Both these cars are awesome!
GREAT VIDEO C&Z's
Most were 3.23 equipped with the 400 and 4 speed combination, especially if they had AC. Off the top of my head, you could get 3.42, but I believe that was non AC equipped.
Very neighborhood friendly cars. Great video, thanks.
Watched several of these and it is crazy how close some of these races are.
Your channel is better with jokes. That’s what made you.
Your jokes gave my life purpose
One of the most ironic Buick's ever made the GSX Will go down in history as world's fastest production car with the 1970 GSX Stage 1,and 2
510ft lb torque Monster
That was fun to watch.
GSX owner has the makings of a great bracket car. Congrats to the Old's powered, highway geared Pontiac on the "W's". Yes C&Z, the T/A's of that era were definitely kids with a silver spoon syndrome.
Appreciate the change in commentary. The car weights and other facts offered made me s subscriber.
Good times for those cars especially the TA
Great race! Not a big GM fan, however, two really nice car's. I must say both would be fun to own and drive. I have driven my cousin's '78 Trans Am after he bought it new in '78. He was 16 and I was 18. He still has the car. At the time I was trying to buy a new 360 powered Road Runner but the loan officer and insurance agent had other idea's. I ended up with a new Mitsubishi Dodge Challenger. Painfully slow but a good car. I miss it. Strange how life can be. My 16 year cousin in a 400 cubic inch Pontiac and me in a 77 horsepower Challenger. Good time's.
Wife used to have a Daytona turbo. One day I guess it thought the turbo looked tasty so you can guess where that one went
Bro, that lady in trans Am should add 3.42 gears
It's a lady 😁. Thinking about doing just that, but it's a driver and it's pretty nice to be able to cruise on the expressway without riding in the right lane at 60 with the engine screaming
@@caminokid383 I had a 84 Monte Carlo SS with 350 turbo transmission and 3.42 gears and RPMs were low on zip strip
@@charlieb308 yeah- not bad in the track. Maybe a little much for every day driving. We drive this car alot!
@@caminokid383 it’s a really nice car, my 86 SS has 3.73 gears but it also has the overdrive transmission which is nice. At 70mph the RPMS are only 2,200.
The 403 doesn't need it, it has a low rpm range
Impressive!
I like your jokes and humor even if it's not for everyone, good pairing of cars
Great racing. See what a 30 pound advantage will do. ;)
I miss the jokes, enjoyed the video though and go TA!!!
The jokeless delivery.......not bad actually. You do have an excellent announcer voice.
But punlessness is not your vibe....
Awesome , Thanks C&Z
Some of your jokes and editing are epic and I send your videos to others because of them. It’s the excess that you need to trim. Less is more but DONT kill all the jokes and editing. Pick the best. Like the Impala 4 speed joke with editing you did recently. That was perfect. The Captain Planet editing and joking was also perfect. Farts and horneyness can go away
These are fantastic times for these two cars. Both are making more than their advertised hp. Ninety plus mph trap speeds show it. These cars are razor tuned. A lot of so called performance cars from the seventies wouldn't break the speed limit by much in the quarter.
You should run your car Mr Zebra! I want to race you with my 86 Monte Carlo SS. My Monte with filled tank is 3440lbs no driver, runs mid 15s, 3.73 gears, fast shifting 200-4r and 305HO 180hp(but everyone knows it’s really under rated and 300hp). Better race me soon though, my SS is getting a skipwhite 383 stroker!
Anyone who's done any legitimate drag racing, at a real drag strip such as this, can tell exactly what's happening here.
For those that may not be real familiar with the details, let me explain it to you.
1.) The driver of the Buick, is the better of the two drivers. Drag racing very often boils down to your response time at the green light. Clearly, the Buick driver is much more proficient and has better start times. (Except the one light he blew, which anyone can do once)
2. By looking at the quarter mile elapsed times, and miles per hour, you can see what exactly is happening. The Buick, with its smaller 350ci engine and lower ratio rear end, and good driver, is running very consistent times. The car is topping out near the end od the quarter mile.
3. The Trans Am, in complete contrast to the Buick's small block 350, has a big block motor and higher ratio rear end. When both cars are at about 3/4th's down the strip, and the Buick is topping out, the big block in the Trans Am with its low ratio rear end, is finally starting to build its motor revs and is beginning to pull stronger and stronger. This is why even though the elapsed times on both cars at the end of the quarter mile are extremely close, BUT the speed in miles per hour of the cars is very different. The Trans Am is traveling much faster than the Buick at the races finish line, because its just getting spooled up and building speed.
Many people falsly believe that drag racing is boring, is easy, and any dummy can do it as good as the next one. But thats not true. All these variables play into which car will win, and again, very often the race is won or lost, right at the green light when you're staged up and ready to go. Response time is key. Throttle management is To much throttle, and spin the tires to much? You lose the race. Not enough throttle, or a blink of an eye hesitation out of the gate? You lose the race.
All that said,I raced all my street cars for years on Wednesday nights, amateur night at a local drag strip near where I grew up. Its a LOT of fun, and its great to see the changes in performance as you add and subtract small items and performance items on your vehicles. And you NEVER know who's going to be put in that lane next to you to face off down the strip. Which brings back one funny memory of hundreds. The time I was running my Monte Carlo 455, that ran high 14's, and I got smoked, left in the dust by this old man driving his 1970 or 1971 Ford Country Squire station wagon, wood grain down the sides, chrome roof rack etc., and he ran like a 13.9!! Lol Unbelievable. Well, not really since some of the cars you see there will really shock you, but what a blast.
Or, the time I was up against an alcohol funny car, I was in my Grand National running high 13's. We were bracket racing. I got the green and was all the way down the strip, almost at the finish line, when my opponent the alcohol funny car finally got his green light to GO.
Lol I felt like I could have reached out and almost touched the finish line, just when he was able to start the race. Then I heard the roar, felt my car shake, and watched in utter amazement as he passed me and crossed the finish line before I did. He had run roughly a 7 second quarter mile. That's whats called "Bracket Racing'.
It's all really a lot if fun if you enjoy cars, and enjoy racing them. I highly suggest everyone tries it at least once. I raced amateur like this for a number of years, every week, and had the time of my life.
PS. My buddy got me into it, he ran the same car for years, while I was always buying different ones, and modifying them.
He ran a 1971 Buick GS stage 1. He had done a lot to it, but he was running 13's in that car with the 455. Very impressive.
What really got hom the worst was when my brand new Grand National, V6, was running 13's and was just as fast as his Stage 1. All the work he had done etc., and my was a brand nee car off the showroom floor, and just as fast. He passed away now, but he talked about that for almost 30 years!! Lol
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Thanks for sharing.
What!!? GM not advertise their performance models? Almost like they didn't want to sell them. Guess things never change. 😕
Glad your voice is back, I quit watching and this one popped back up in my feed, and I like the fart jokes 😂😂
I like this format better!
I had a 301 in a lemans and a 403 in a Buick. I liked them both.
High 14s on 2.43 w 3 speed and 150hp? Well kinda interesting, (Edited) if I'm not wrong this trans am goes 0.2sec faster than the 4 speed t/a 6.6??
185 hp. Trans am in this video has the Oldsmobile 403 engine.
Nice commentary. Much better without the jokes.
Racing slower cars is so much more bang for the buck.😉
For those of you shocked at the results, you shouldn't be. The weight of the cars is pretty much the same, both are low compression motors. The Buick has a half step more compression and a way better rear end gear ratio for the quarter mile but the TA engine has 50 more cubic inches. The results make sense.
We used to laugh our arses off at those cars back in the day.
I would drive both of them 😋👍🏼
Good even race. I would of course prefer the 400 Pontiac in the Trans Am, being that I've owned one (a 10th Anniversary) since 1999. When I bought it in 1999, they were pretty much 20 year old used cars, even though everyone knew about their collector status from when they were new. I got lucky as I got one before the huge wave in price came over them.
You got lucky someone didn't hack it to bits by adding OTC go fast goodies and other mods by the time u got it!
I wonder if the T/A ever shifted into 3rd during the run?
Nope. Still in 2nd across the line.
When I watch these old cars racing, I realize the good old days were not so great. These cars are pitifully slow.
But at the time they were the fast ones. But Pontiac tried to keep it as fast it could for what was available. Like large engine's. But now through technology, we are able to see big HP with all those restrictions.
I went with Trans Am because power to weight ratio. That GSX was a pretty heavy car.
I own a '79 T/A. T-tops w 403 Olds and 3:43 gears. Had to replace the engine though as a previous owner left the car outside in the winter with no antifreeze and cracked the block and one of the heads. So no numbers matching for me now. It's a fun car to drive. I upped the compression to 9-1 put a mild cam with roller tip rockers & headers. Have not run the qtr. mile with it yet. Hoping for mid to low 13s when I do though.
nice video! i had a formula with the same drive train. head turner and chick magnet BUT consistant 14's till you get up to qtr mi.
after that things get interesting as long as ya dont redline it. out on 64W in ric va takes about a half mile to top out at 122 to 125 depending if your going up or down a grade. or if you had led zep or ted nugent in the 8 track. good times though...
Sadly this beautiful GSX is merely a sticker package rather than its potent predecessor with the mighty 455. Both beautiful cars nevertheless..
A Buick 350 can be made to run...I would recommend schooling up at Mr Rodders Garage
Dude! Missed the jokes! That is the best part of your shtick. Don't lose it.
Good to see bicycle dude in this video.
350 is strong in that GSX,as it is pick up trucks too but watching high emission muscle cars always have great races!! the compression ratio's for each specific car ran slightly different each year,but not by much but they did tamper with them somewhat from factory each year!!....I don't think my Camaro will beat a 220 horse Trans Am but this one,maybe!!
In a race where the winner was the car that wasn't the slowest.
Thought the GSX as well. I prefer this format.
I don't know how that T/A ran that quick . The horse power to run that car geared like that weighing 3800 would be more like 260 ish . The 403 is a small block olds 350 bored out .
2.41 rear end ?
Seemed slow of the line but....T/A caught up with the GSX big time in the second race👍
I miss the loud fart and zero fucks attitude especially when you say fuck you. I know it sounds dirty lol 😂.
Those were some good races but I miss the jokes.
The Buick had the hole-shot every race. In the 1/8 mile, he was ahead.
Great video keep talking!
I like the original ads. I like the jokeless delivery, but one or two would be okay.
Who doesn't like jokes and Fart noises,,,,big dirty thumbs up
I have a hard time believing that Trans Am has a 2.41 gear. Along with a smog motor,, Olds 403 and automatic, and it runs the quarter-mile in 14.77 seconds?
@Your Pappy yes it is, it's a 6.6L motor, why is it so hard to believe it wouldn't have quarter mile times like that? They had excellent torque ratings. It's not a 301 car
I just took a quick look at the rules and you can mill down the heads to gain 1.5 points on the compression ratio as well as bore it out and change the pistons. It’s making a lot more HP than stock.
@@montestu5502 you can mill the heads all you want, the 4A heads on a 403 Oldsmobile are extremely choked heads, you can't accomplish much with them even when milled. You can't bore out a 403 much either as they have extremely thin cylinder walls, it already has the largest bore out of any small block V8 general motors produced.
@Your Pappy come on pappy, what's with all these times showing they did, my fat optioned Y84 in it's stock format gets 15's, what Trans Am are you driving that's so tired it can't run those numbers?
I can assure you...it's bone stock 403 with 2.41 gears. Only modification from factory is a recurved distributor and dual exhaust. The car is still in 2nd gear through the end of the 1/4
Can't beat the TA even while cheating. 😂
Say whhhat!? 2:41 rear gears!? i never heard of Trans Am's with a gear that high!! Even with an Old's 403!!
Yup... that's how it came. All non WS6 403 cars with air came with em
A million years ago I put a 283 with a 929 cam, 186 heads and a 2 bbl from a 307 in a 69 Chevelle with a 3 on the tree and 3.08 gears. It would eat those 403's up and spit them out lol. Should have seen the look on the trans am guys when they saw that 2 bbl carb
I've seen a few 307s run better then they should.
Like a buddies 70 Chevelle with a glide ,it would waggle the back end around a little when you nailed it at about 40 and it went back to 1st gear.
@@MrTheHillfolk Yeah, but he's talking about a 283, the 307,s were turds. He just used a Carb from a 307.
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 yeah but still ,I've seen some of em run like I described above.
Seen another one in a pickup with 2nd blown out that went for years that way and could scorch the inside tire if you shifted to 3rd at the right time in a corner.
Not a rocket ,but better then most think they are.
@@MrTheHillfolk OK, i was just remembering my Grandma,s car years ago, a 1973 Chevrolet Malibu Classic Station wagon, it was Green, 307 2 Barrel Carb, and a Powerglide, rember the Column Shifter saying 1 and then just D, that was one of the slowest cars I've ever drove in my entire life, maybe besides an old BMW Diesel from the 70,s without a Turbo, those were really nothing but a Slug with wheels on em. Grandma's Wagon was Very Big Also, remember me and my cousin taking many family trips way in the back of that wagon, sitting backwards, trying to get the Truckers to Honk at us. All with No Seatbelts either, No one even heard of Seatbelts back in those days. That 307 brought us many many Miles throughout the Northeast of The United States, many years ago, and i don't remember having any issues with it throughout all our trips.
I raced two Chevell's back then with my 403, beat them. Not sure what powered them, one had a high rise with two carb's I remember.
Ok, I miss your humor. Interesting Coming from me😂
No CL🤡WN show, thank you👍
Goodday C & Z,
14 sec passes considering the arse end gears & low comp engines not bad going for both cars.
Boring as Bat Shit without the comments bring them back.
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3850 lbs was considered heavy! What's a hellcat weigh again LOL
You think they would break 100mph if they were going down hill?🥴
Yes sir, I was able to go over 130 (had to estimate that spedo only went to 100) in my 1979 403 Formula. When cruising at 100, it would still have some real pull from there.
top of 2nd gear with 2.41 is like 120...
The Buick 455 and the 350 were about the same weight
The Buick 350 is a fair piece lighter, that said the 455 is only slightly more than a Chev 350.
So why is it in all your videos the elevation is either 944 or 954 feet? Are you measuring the elevation at high tide in some and low tide in the others?
Sorry but no totally stock L78 400 Pontiac or the Olds , 403 runs high 14's . Especially with a 2.41 axle . I owned several F- body cars from 82 to 91 . One was a 77 T/A with auto trans, and the 2.41 safety track rear. This car I replaced the smog L78 for a 69 Ram Air III 400 from a GTO. I had to make my own engine mounts as the 69 engine only had bosses for the Lemans body or big Pontiacs . Later blocks had bosses for both the F body and bigger cars. I ended up replacing the stock rear with a 3.73 unit drum to drum.
My second 77 T/A was a Y82 Hurst hatch special edition. It came with the optional 3.23 axle . In 78 they went to the 3.42 axle. In 1990 I bought a 80 Z28 with the LM1 and 4 speed. It had the 3.42 axle .
Both my friends had 78 T/A's with the W72 400. One had the 4 speed the other had an auto trans. 77 and 78 you could get the optional W72 with the auto trans. You could only get a manual with the W72 in 77 and 78. In 79 you could get a manual with the 301. I had a friend who's dad bought a black and gold special edition in 79 with this combo . Boy it was a dog.
BS, and too much of that information is wrong. 403 Trans Ams with the WS6 pack got 2.73 rear gears and can punch below 15 seconds without issue. I have a 1979 W72 car along with another 30,000 people as '79 was the last year for the 400/4-speed. The standard ratio was 2.41 with the Olds but 2.73 I'd equipped with WS6 which is what this car appears to have. Look at the engine bay, that's as stock as you'd get
Wrong. This one just did.
@@maxthe222 it's not a WS6 car, but it does have the WS6 wheels. 2.41 gear on 403 with air
Factory weight, stock engine and trans. Including stock converter.... why in the hell would I do all that work to run 14's? Lol. The car is an all original survivor. And it's exactly what it's advertised to be. Only mods are recurved factory distributor and dual exhaust. Still through the factory manifolds
@@caminokid383 even better, shows the 403 is no slouch. The video proof is right Infront of them and they still argue and carry on like reality is being torn apart because the 403 Olds performed well
That is not a real gsx, the GSX only came with the 455, it’s most likely just a buick gs350 with gsx decals on it, regardless the Gran sports are absolutely beautiful car, love seeing these stock muscle cars run the 1/4, need to get some 80’s cars in there!
Incorrect. In '70 GSX was 455 only, but '71 & '72 GSX was simply an appearance package, that could be added to any GS, even the 350.
In '70 only two GSX colors were offered. But '71 & '72 any color was available for GSX.
the quality of cars in 1979 were fare cry from 70,, 71 especialy 71 buick to 79 trans am!
They arent even pushing it. Its like partial throttle
Partial throttle and near identical et & trap? Don't think so. Besides, these are realistic results for these vehicles with these specs.
@@russelloppenheimer3970 no. Some owners dont redline it because they dont want to throw a rod or break their rear end. Some of these cars were driven to the track, driven homw and stay in the garage all week.
Not sure about that weight accuracy on the TA. I do know that the Camaro's were 3250 lbs there abouts, about 200 lbs less than the full framed G bodies. Engine and trans options caused a small deviation.
Man, a 2:41 would suck. I've never heard of anything less than a 2:73 in the Nova, Camaro, and Firebirds, though most G bodies had the 2.41.
A 1979 Trans Am with a 400 is about 3750 pounds.
This one could have used a lot of toilet noises as you went through the stats on these pigs. What a dismal decade. Need to line up that Firebird with a Mustang II. Phew.
They knew better to let a big block Dodge out there!
I had a 1966 Fairlane with a GT 390 and 4 speed. It was British Racing Green, a beautiful car. Unfortunately I had bought it used and the previous owner has run the hell out of it without attention to niceties like maintenance. Add that to the MISERABLE quality level of American cars at the time and the Fairlane tied the 1974 124 Fiat Spyder I bought a few years later for the worst owner experience EVER.
You stop with the jokes and toilet sounds and I'm unsubscribing! 🤣
How exciting. Two watered down muscle cars with the worst possible options in head to head shootout.