Jaguar F-type coupé versus Porsche Cayman GTS
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Few £60,000 cars can live with a Jaguar F-type V6 S coupé on the road, but could the Porsche Cayman GTS be one of them? Steve Sutcliffe finds out.
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These cars has 2 different personalities. I don't know why everyone argues about how many hundredths of second faster the Cayman or the F-Type goes than the other one, you won't notice it. IF you were going to buy one, go the store, touch, squeeze, sit, feel, and drive the goddamn cars and see for yourself which one who makes your heart stop. Maybe someone just doesn't like the speedometer in the porsches and won't buy them for that reason, maybe someone just doesn't like looks of the Jags. Everyone has their reason. The car should fit you, you should not fit the car, that's why different people buy different cars.
The Cayman GTS is almost like a track car that can drive on the road. It handling especially for performance is light years ahead of the market.
A basic Cayman can be had for 40K but gives super car like performance.
The F-type is an amazing car but not in the same league as the Cayman which is one of the best production cars ever built. It is cheap and extreme fast but also has amazing handling.
The Cayman is all about handling speed is a secondary concern for it (even though it is still fast).
Finally someone with sense, but its still fun to talk about cars. The car period we are currently experiencing is the best it has ever been, there are so many good options and most have their merits. Mediocrity nowadays doesn't fly like it used to, the 70,000 car is as almost good as 300,000 car and 25,000 car is as as good as 50,000, if you know what I mean.
Does anyone know the model year of the ftype v6s coupe
@@vvysoc Five years later, things have changed quite a bit and we are entering a very sad time for petrol heads IMO :-( Now electric sh*t is being forced down our throats, so enjoy the wonderful cars produced during the last decade while you still can.
PS: I just bought a 2015 Cayman 3.4 GTS to replace my 2014 Cayman 2.7 ;-)
@@MrJef06 That awesome, enjoy it! Will be looking to get 911 pretty soon :)
PS I agree, they discard the environment hazard the large batteries creaty, often much more so than equivalent gas car...
F-Type for me. Just a gorgeous car.
The RUclips algorithm brings me here again after 6 years :) I just checked for the German market what would have been the better deal and of course it is the Porsche. Cayman GTS is ca 60K Euros now, F Type ca 40K... that is a healthy difference. Of course it doesn't matter, if you are independently rich, but not everyone is ;)
The symphony from F-type pipes in the last second of this video just says it all :)
***** Sorry, English is not my first tongue. I apologize with all my heart for putting that extra letter in that word. :)
He makes a very convincing case for the Cayman, but there's something about that Jag that is so much more alluring and exciting.
well said. Porsches are every where on streets
Because there is no subsitute...
@@charleslu7044 😂👍
Yeah, but Jag maintenance and reliability is a killer. My GTS just goes and goes, routine maintenance. I drive it every day.
Jag has more soul!
This is like watching the National Geographic channel. The jag looked as if it was going to squash the gazelle at any moment. Somehow the gazelle managed to outwit its predator.
You guys did a great job getting these beauties sideways. Exhilarating to watch from the cabin view.
The 981 GTS with PTV (PASM/SC/PSE) is possibly one of the best sports cars ever made by Porsche. Lovely blend of power, torque, balance and sound.
nope
Agree. I've owned and driven a lot different Porsche models. If you're looking for a true drivers car beside the track this is actually the sweet spot. Very emotional, great transmission, not too big, best looking cayman generation (imo), low maintenance costs and a great flat six engine (Mezger engine like construction). A bulletproof, as a GTS rare model with maybe the best exhaust sound of any non-hypercar Porsche. I've owned a manual and a PDK and think the best configuration is X73 with PDK. Anyways fabulous car !!
Excellent review and beautiful camera work, sir. Sorry to tune in 7 years late, hope you're doing well. I had several Caymans, my last being the 718 S, manual, a perfect sports car. Now I have a '17 F Type V6S like the one tested here. I'm in love. There's just something special about this car.
@Ernie H +1
2015 F Type V6S owner here - such fantastic cars! My fun car, which always puts a smile on my face.
wow this guy is impressively unbiased, i almost 100% expected him to choose the f-type him being british. glad he chose the right car though
The F-type is a fantastic car but it is not in the same league as the Cayman GTS.
I would even say the Cayman S is better never mind the GTS.
bighands69 F-type any day. It has the personality, the soul -- the GTS is a cold and heartless evil killing machine.
Joseph Harvey You've watched to many Top Gear videos.
The Jaguar, no matter how stylish it looks, is to me an 40+yr olds car.
simply because it's a jag? sounds a little biased to me ;P do you hate the E-Type just because its a 60's car?
Joseph Harvey "cold and heartless evil killing machine." simply because it's a Porsche?
The Porsche Cayman GTS is more perfect, but the Jaguar F-type V6 S coupé is more Special.
What would I buy? Well... I don't know... The Jag is so beautiful and the Porsche is so perfect... Maybe the Jag is enough in terms of machine, and has it is, so much better good looking, therefore I believe it is a smart choice!
My wife and I followed a red V6S for about 40 miles down the A96. The Jag' has a very pretty behind and a great sound with no discernible S/charger whine. My wife was, as ever, driving briskly in an RS6 performance. The Audi was like a red -rag to the red Jag' ... so game on. The guy rinsed his Jag' .. maximum attack, sounded fab'. Thing was, my wife wasn't racing, merely driving briskly. She could have overtaken the jag' at any point but given the speeds involved we thought of the Jag as an early warning unit for mobile speed cameras. When the Jag turned away the driver gave us a big wave and flashed his hazards. He was delighted and had a great story for his mates in the pub and we didn't have a speeding ticket. Win - Win.
So just traded in a 2015 cayman base with a manual transmission for a Jaguar F-Type with an automatic and they just approach the sports car from two different directions. The cayman always wanted me to go faster and so I would. The jag is comfortable just being beautiful and fast as hell when you want it to be.
I have, possibly the last V6 F Type off the line in 2020. What a car a true keeper. ICONIC!!! 4 cylinder Cayman anyone?
Congrats, what did it cost?
I'm sure you can afford it, but the gts 4.0 and gt4 will also be collectable. I'm here because £35k buys a 5 year old jag v6s with 30k miles, vs a 981 s that's 10-12 years old with 40-50k miles
Great review, but I might be bias as I have a GTS and I love it.
I didn’t cross shop the Jag as my requirements were 1) daily driver, 2) around 3,000 lb, 3) stirs my soul for looks, sound, and driving, and 4) a car that is ready for 2-3 track days a year in stock form. While the Jag can hold its own in 3 of these groups, I wanted to move away from heavy cars. The Cayman provided all these and then some.
My GTS was a monster on the track for me last week while literally makes my chest tingle when I think about getting to drive it every day. I almost got a winter car until I thought about not getting to drive it every day and just ordered a set of winter wheels/tires.
I literally can’t think of a way to improve upon it outside of more power, we are all junkies, right?. That said, it’s already too fast for the streets and I only really missed the power of my previous cars when I was chasing one GTR and one 996tt on the straights at the track.
Went to see a F-type and Porsche Cayman yesterday. First impressions were that the f-type was more solidly built and I was shocked at the lightweight, plastic feel of the Porsche.
But high depreciation for the Jaguar. I have a 2014 GTS, amazing quality
By skimming through these comments I can't believe how many people think the F-type is better looking - I mean did you even look at the Cayman? It's such a beautiful car!
I know I’m 8 years late, but when I say this is exactly what I want out of a car review I mean it. Class video
"The F-Type can't quite deal with the Cayman genius in the end. On any other day and against almost any other rival, the excellent Jaguar would probably worked; not today, not against a machine as exceptional as the Cayman GTS." Strong words, cool!
+Felipe Azevedo though, given this is Jag's first attempt since the E-Type: Porsche beware.
Says it all!!!
The jag is a lovely thing in its own right. I think sutcliffe got it right when he said against other competition in the class the F type would be the front runner, but the cayman gts stands alone as probably one of the greatest drivers cars of all time. Sadly, probably the last of its kind too
These might have been a similar price new, but the GTS has held its value incredibly well and is at least 15k more than the equivalent Jag 2nd hand now. I was looking at a base 981 Boxster or Cayman, but am leaning towards the Jag now as you are getting a lot more for your money.
Same. I want a convertible 6s or the v8 R model
@@jamesdempsey5702 The price of the jag v6s will explode. jag made an annoucement ... full electric in 2025.
@frouchitude1916 I hope you're right because I just bought one.
Porsches just misses a bit of road presents. While the jag is a real head Turner. I won't go on tracks nor am I a sufficient enough driver to exploit those cars. I'll go for the jag, for the special feeling though I really think the Porsche is the better car.
The Cayman is a head turner. The Jag is just more so.
***** Lol, your maturity level is still at the point where you rate cars by "hairdresser's" or "not hairdresser's." Grow up man.
Loek Ronteltap Having been for a drive in my friends 2007 Porsche Cayman I can assure you it IS a head turner. We literally got sick of everyone staring at the car.
The Jag might have more road presence but for those more concerned with handling and power : weight ratios than the need for attention because daddy didn't love them enough; the Porsche is definitely better.
When you start looking at the 911 vs the F-Type R, both are great cars. Porsche still looks like a sporty Volkswagon vs the Jag IMO. I love 911's. For me it's the 911 4S or the F-Type R. Porsche is very refined after 50 yrs of fine tuning, I wish they had more of a road presence like the Jag. The 911 4s also costs approx 20-30k more than the F-Type R. With the 16 Jag coming out in AWD I think it's going to gain that much more value vs Porsche 911 4s. I would love a 911 GT3 or Turbo S, but then were looking at around 130k+ for the GT3 and 190k or so for the turbo. I think I have to have a 16 Jag AWD R.
ERIC DAVIS Same dude
Despite his comments I’m still glad I chose the Jaguar.
Not one auto journalist in the world, dislikes the Cayman. Not a one. It is "the" sports car. The Jag coupe is a beaut though, with the best ass in the business
made me do a double take on that Jag
Yes therse is one its jezza
I would still take the Jaguar, for that noise and more importantly, the looks... It is in my opinion the best looking car you could buy at the moment.
For the noise? What?! The Cayman GTS sounds soo much better imo.
Jort Rinket Opinions!
Noise and looks can be subjective.
Driving, handling and speed are not subject they are definable.
Its a car.... so you will probably spend more time INSIDE driving, than on the outside just staring at it.
Sound yes...its better than the cayman.
But lastly its a god damn sports car, it should focus on driving dynamics.
But I guest we all like different things...
mazin2892 how the fuck do you think that V6 sounds better than that raw, pure, high revving boxer 6 cilinder engine?? The Porsche sounds MUCH better imo.
I'd pick the Cayman GTS. Basically every pro that's driven any Cayman variant agrees that it is *the* driver's car of our time. That said, I actually think the F-Type is a bit more attractive. Not that the Cayman is ugly, by any means, but the Jag just captures that classic sports car aesthetic, while also looking totally new and modern. The F-Type S manual would be hard to pass up, but the Cayman wins in the end, just for its perfectly tossable balance.
agree with u 100%
D LG r, kid, STFU
Sorry, wrong address!
Thats one stunning rev-limiter sound of the flat 6 at 8:30.. and that's why you need a proper manuel gearbox to exploit the character of the engine, and full-on experience.
I bought the F-Type S, as my daily commuter car, because of the all round experience. Ultimate performance on a street does not matter enough to make any other choice. I first heard of the F-Type and thought.......Jaguar can not have made a car that is anywhere near as good as the E-Type. But for me, they have. They also created the car with the best sounding supercharged V6. It is all enough for me to put up with waiting for a month for some parts to arrive in the US (waiting on a new headliner atm). I bought this car to be the last internal combustion engined cars I ever drive and plan to keep it for 20 years or more. What will you buy for your last ever internal combustion engined car ?
Jaguar XJ l 3.0 Supercharged.... in British Racing Green... they'll drag me kicking and screaming to EVs.
The Porsche is the better machine, but I'd rather pick up a date in the F-Type. It's way better looking and more rare on the road.
+OMAR D penguin
With that logic. Save the money on either and get a gold digger.
In a general sense, Porsche is underrated by most people;
HA, HA, HA! Good joke, lets see the like/dislike rating on this video if Steve was to say he liked the F type more than the Cayman.
I mean everyone who watches these videos are going to be car enthusiasts, and they're going to appreciate Porsche's for what they are.
I mean the general public, who look at an F-Type and then the Cayman, they would simply disregard the Porsche in comparison to the F-Type. At least the people I have spoke to would.
Maybe, but not by the people that can actually afford them.. Just look at the sales, Porsche never sold as many cars as they do today..
I do not know about Porsche being underrated. People are now starting to realize how good their cars are and also how cheap they are compared to the competitors.
the Cayman is the most underrated of them
Hmm.. i would take the f-type. Sounds better looks better and its more powerful, but thats just my opinion.
*Jeremy Clarkson Voice* "ill take the jaaag"
Does anyone know the model year of the ftype v6s coupe
@@sagarrawal5195 2014
@@willrussell2134 thanks
as much as i love the cayman, my heart and ears yearn for the F-type.
Yeah but what he's not telling you 60K is just a few options spec up the diff and PDK and some other things and it's way over 65-70K!
OK lets get this out of the way the F-Type is Jags first REAL sports car since I would say the XK8!
The Cayman is Porsches baby! It's all Porsche does so it should be good! Jags first real sports car and it's nearly there with a car that's been around since 2005!
Well done Jag!
All this time i've been lusting over the new Cayman which looks gorgeous, but god damn, this new Jag looks.... Just stunning. It completely thrashes the Porsche in the looks department and make it look ordinary. Yeah i know the driving experience and all that, but dont you want your expensive sportscar to look awesome?
I have to say though, while the Jag is pretty, i am pretty sure it's technologically outdated. Why the hell is it so heavy? And these engines are big, heavy and loud in an unrefined sort of way. Not refined like say a Ferrari.
I'd say it's more important for a car to drive better, because you're going to spend more time driving the car than actually looking at it. And it's not like the Cayman look ugly either.
ewt415
The Jag is still an amazing car to drive and it does sound amazing as well.
The Cayman just happens to be one of the best production cars ever built for tracks. To be honest I think it still looks amazing the Cayman.
My Audi RS5 is now a little dated even though I think it has amazing track capabilities. Have just driven a Cayman extensivily and can say it is the new king of the tracks especially for around 50K,
People keep forgetting to mention the most important difference, the engine placement. The Cayman is a mid engine care, the F-type front engine. This video demonstrates the superior corner grip of the Cayman.
Cayman with the manual transmission all the way. The handling is just perfect and it's a blast. Such a shame you're stuck with an automatic with the beautiful looking and sounding Jaguar
As per MOT records, the Jag has had a much buzzing life so far with 56K miles while the Porsche has done only 27K in 9 years!
I really love the Cayman and Boxster over the 911 ... I think it hits the right price point, quality and looks ... The 911 has always seemed way over priced to me
Steve you should be doing all the reviews on autocar mate. With all due respect to the rest of the testing crew I think you are the best of the lot and should stick to especially the high performance cars.
Please upload a video of the Cayman GT4 asap. Would love to hear your thoughts and comparisons with the GTS
For me the jaguar looks much bettet than the Porsche. I would take the JAG
This is one of my favorite AC vids...the onboard footage is brilliant. I could do with a bit more onboard footage as its so beautiful. Thanks
Those chase shots are thrilling.
Umm i love these 2 cars, so i bought both but convertible versions... fantastic smiles.
How have they been. I love the convertibles but want an f-type v8 R
I’d have to agree with Steve Sutcliffe, if there’s just one car I could have...it would be the Cayman GTS, it’s just Brilliant!
Well, if a British journalist chose Porsche over a Jag it must be not just a bit but substantially better.
0:54 that limiter sums it all up...
was waiting for this head to head duel, nicely done! still undecided though on which seems better, on the looks wise you have to give it to the Jag!
you know the thing is, u see Porsches everywhere, ftypes are very special here, so easy choice
Both of these cars look beautiful, especially in red. The F-Type is arguably sexier but the Cayman is not far behind. It's gotten a lot nicer since the last version.
As to which to buy, it really depends on what you're after. If you're like many people, who get most of their thrills from straight-line acceleration, then the F-Type will put a smile on your face every time. It had me giggling like a child when I test drove it a while back. The interior is fantastic as well, especially if you're used to BMWs. The Cayman is more for people who enjoy carving canyons, curvy freeway ramps, or days at the track. It's a different thrill, one that takes longer to master than just mashing the gas pedal. The Cayman just let's you push the car with a lot more confidence than the F-Type.
The one problem I've had with Caymans is that they came off as being a poor man's Porsche. It's like, "this guy probably wanted a 911 but could only afford a Cayman". These days though, I wouldn't doubt it if people with money bought these GTS models to use as track toys.
What a cars and what a wicked sound they produce! Love the backfiring Porsche at 8:30!
i really like this video , i really do...
I'd go with the Jag hands down
I failed to notice the quality of the jaguar cabin because my eyes where hurting from looking at the pixels on the satnav and in the instrument cluster (in year 2014), while my fingers where busy adjusting the cheap plasticy seat-controls and turning the over-assisted steering wheel. Other than that it was pretty nice to drive, and the sound of the V8 is pretty mental.
The F Type is just such a pretty car! When Britts put their hearts in it, we get real beauties!
Sorry Jag but Cayman is the one for me, I just think all cars should be mid engined. And superb review Steve! Best car guy on RUclips!
Mid engine suits the Cayman to perfection because the car is all about handling.
Other cars can be about different things. The RS5 is all about four wheel drive. BMW make fun drifting like cars.
The RS5 is all about an elegant and beatiful design, a lot of power, amazing loud sound, and brutal performances... Maybe the best Audi of this times.
Steve Sutcliffe used to be quite critical when it came to german cars. But he seems to really adore this GTS. I must try it one day!
Yeah, the GTS is probobly sensational and I'm sure F-type is great too. Would love to have either one of them. But for Sutcliffe, I think he actually have listen to the negative critics. I am Swedish and Swedish automotive magazines are always patriotic of Volvo, SAAB and Koenigsegg so I understand that Brits love British cars. But Autocar make videos for a global audience and therefor they should be better than that. Being romantic over a car is quite okay, it may even be entertaining to watch, but it must not go out over the entirety of the review and subsequent the final decision.
Yeah, I didn't talk about this review, but the man himself in general.
I have yet to hear a bad review about the Cayman GTS. I can't wait to buy 1 someday.
The F-Type a 400 with sunroof and RWD for the long distance and a X73 PDK 981Cayman GTS for the heart. Sold the 981 GTS but still miss it. But completely different cars: The F-Type is a Touring Coupe. Great sound but feels way heavier, bigger and softer. The 981 Cayman GTS is something special. Your heart will always choose the GTS but sometimes your back would go for the Jag. Design wise both are great.
If I have enough money to buy a car in that class, I will always choose the F-type, I just think it has 1 of the most beautiful line and tail.
Both brilliant cars! I wonder what the results would be like if they put the same ultra spec tyres which are on the Cayman on the Ftype V6...
Nice to hear stuff like this, especially since I picked up my GTS last week. Now it's only a few months of horrid winter to live through...
Went finally to the GTS, Porsche definetly, low depreciation and much more roof space 😊
I have a Corvette C7, but i also want a F Type and a Cayman. Will buy them all in the future. :) grind grind grind
Steve Sutcliffe...you are one of a kind....There are so many reviews...but I like your reviews the most. I find myself constantly reviewing your 981 GTS reviews. They are a major reason, why I bought this car. Your reviews are fun and spot on....Thanks, Uwe
I still watch this video, because of the sound at 8:29
I agree with rockinchimp, there's more to consider than speed and handling dynamics, image would be a very important point to make at this level and the Cayman will always be the poor mans 911
I think, there is nothing more I want than a Cayman... Don't care which one, as long it has three pedals. I've never driven one, but judging by the reviews it probably is one of the best cars you can buy today for less than 150.000€. And above that, you have the 991 GT3 or soon the RS version. Porsche' 2014-15 lineup seems to be unbeatable. I am blown away. The whole team in Stuttgart deserves a hefty bonus this Christmas :)
The only thing about the Porsche- though there will be plenty of people that disagree, I think it looks a bit shit. There's no denying the incredible way that it drives though.
Love the the camera work in this vid. That power slide 3:58 is sweeter than a Mother's Day card.
Both my Mum and I are looking to buy a new car. We've both test driven the Cayman S and the F-type. I fell in love with the Jag and she's fallen in love with the Porsche.
I've been driving Jaguar R cars since the S Type R. I have never driven a Porsche and probably never will. When I walk up to my car it has to look good enough to make me stare at it for an extra moment before sliding in to a leather filled cabin that feels special. The car has to be exclusive enough so I won't see another one next to me at a stop light. The car has to be powerful enough to make me a little nervous. The price cannot be much more than $100k. The only car that meets that criteria is a Jaguar R car. I just traded my XKRS in for the R Coupe and I am loving it. I have never even considered a German car. There are just way too many of them buzzing around like annoying flies.
That's all nice and well. Just don't say that to anyone you meet. If you tell someone; I'll take the inferior performance just because less people do, they'll assume you're a snob. Living in Germany, where you can actually go pretty fast on the Autobahn, very few consider British cars. They prefer the reliability, superior engineering and build quality for German cars. On all objective, factual points, the Porsche is the better car. What's left is personal preference. Porsche is best by test.
Siegfried Furtwängler Knappertsbusch And you don't consider that German's would be biased towards German cars/manufacturers? Germans "prefer the reliability, superior engineering and build quality for German cars". lol. Yes, very objective. ha.
Patrick Mitchell Let's see. Which country has more German cars and which has more American ones. Now let's compare speed limits and then let's compare traffic deaths. Interesting statistics for sure. No speed limit equals fewer deaths than a speed limit. Are Americans just bad drivers?
lol so you don't have anything to say about objectivity, or lack of it. Don't know anything about America, I live in the UK. What a lot of twaddle you talk, you must find it hard just thinking straight.
Patrick Mitchell What's the speed limit there? Don't answer. I know.
The F-type is for someone who values the fun side of driving and could care less about numbers and lap times; it's a GT car and somewhat like a muscle car. If the GTS could capture the fun side by having a lot of torque down low and louder exhaust it would be the ultimate driving machine. From a lot of reviews I've read - the GTS is brilliant and superior but sterile [aka not fun enough].
Cayman is the better drive
Wylie Coyote I drove both recently. F Type just doesn't drive as good as the Cayman. The Cayman is just perfect, it knows what you want as a driver. From the inside the Porsche is actually louder than the f type. The f type looks way better than it drives.
Hands down the Cayman is the way better car
Nothing handles like a mid engine car. Nothing. From that respect, the Cayman is the superior product.
I preferred the "broken" mic in the Cayman because of much more ambient sound. It sounded like I was there sitting in the car next to Steve. Maybe you could add more of the secondary mic in future?
Man I've been waiting for these two cars to be put head to head. Just beautiful.
Arrrrghh! Jaguar F-Type vs. _____ comparos are missing the whole point of the F-Type. It's a car that stands alone. A modern day interpretation of the 1960s E-Type. And an almost perfect one at that, especially with the coupe. And I can understand them using the S version of one to compare to the Cayman GTS based on price, but even that is still missing the point. The F-Type again, is a car that stands alone. It's like comparing a Van Gogh with a big flat-screen HD TV. The F-Type is not a car to be compared to others based on performance and the like. The F-Type is a work of automotive art, that can be had in regular, S, or R flavors. It's a grand touring car that can also hold it's own at a track day if the driver so chooses to partake in one with their F-Type.
But long story short, all the F-Type comparos are missing the point. The F-Type is not just another high performance car to be compared to others. It stands alone as the almost perfect modern day interpretation of the E-Type.
It pay homage to the E-type but it is nothing like the E-type.
The E-type was a car that cheap but was one of the fastest in the world in its time. It mixed two things that should not have been possible.
I think it was something like half the price of a Ferrari but yet it was faster and it looks amazing.
The F-type is cheap, reasonably fast and looks good.
bighands69 In it's day, the E-Type was by no means "cheap," even when compared to a Ferrari. And back then it was easy for a car maker like Jaguar to make the E-Type as fast as it's Ferrari 250 SWB or 250 LWB, etc. competitor because back then, the road Ferraris, even with their V-12s up front, were only making power in the 200 hp range, and Jaguar's 3.8 I6 could easily match that, and then some.
But anyway, I think there is a little bit of a language barrier thing going on here so I'll try to be a simple about things as possible. I think 99% of everyone you ask will tell you the F-Type is a modern day interpretation of the E-Type. The head lights are different because of the different safety standards of today, but in terms of it's lines, especially in Coupe form, it get's those lines, that shape, from the lines of the E-Type. Even the taillights are sort of a modern day interpretation of the taillights from an E-Type.
Bottom line, if there was never an E-Type, there would have never been an F-Type to base it on. Ask anyone, and 99% of people will agree that the F-Type is a descendant of the E-Type. A lot of the videos themselves speak of this. The overall shape of the F-Type, especially the fastback shape of the coupe, is pure E-Type. Asking people, watching all the vids specifically about the F-Type, and even it's wiki page will probably tell you the F-Type was inspired by the E-Type.
The price of the E-Type at the time compared to the Ferrari 250 (again, it's prime competitor in terms of Ferrari) has nothing to do with the fact that the F-Type was inspired aesthetically by the E-Type. And again, the Ferrari of the time that everyone pictures in their mind, the 250 California Spyder LWB, only made 237 hp with it's V-12 up front, and the E-Type, using Jaguar's tried and true 3.8L I6 easily made way more power than that.
But again, price, and it's comparison to the Ferrari have nothing to do with the F-Type being inspired by the E-Type. I mean come on, it's the "F-Type." There was the D-Type racecar that inspired the looks of the E-Type, so it's only natural that the F-Type's shape and lines were inspired by the E-Type. The same classic shape that could be drawn using only 3 basic lines. The classic long hood and short rear overhang of the F-Type coupe and convertible are totally design cues taken from the E-Type.
Again, all I can say is ask around, watch videos solely about the F-Type, and read articles about it and they'll all mention the F-Type was inspired by the E-Type. An homage in the way it was styled. The could have gone with any number of different shapes that look more futuristic if Jaguar wanted another go-fast GT car. But they chose to use the name F-Type and have it's shape and lines inspired by the E-Type.
That's all I can say really. And even though it's totally subjective thing, I think you'll find it hard to find any evidence that suggests the F-Type was not inspired by the E-Type, making it a de facto homage to the E-Type.
The F-Type definitely isn't a car that stands alone just because it's paying homage to the E-Type. Otherwise the SLS is a stand alone car because it pays homage to the 300SL Gullwing. Doesn't make any sense.
Dude, what are you smoking ? The E-type was an icon, the F-type is just another sportscar.
Maxawe Some ewt415 I also consider the SLS AMG a stand alone car in a sense, but the 300SL gullwing cars were never as iconic as the E-Types, which were based on the D-Type racecar. When someone thinks classic, long hood, short rear overhang car, they think E-Type. I'm more ok with SLS comparos because with the 6.3, the backbone, etc. it's not only a car that pays homage to the 300SLs of the '50s, it's also a really great car performance-wise in it's category. Hence, all the SLS GT3 racecars out there. To my knowledge, there are no F-Type GT3 cars racing in any FIA sanctioned series. (But just like E-Types were used in GT racing back in the '60s, which people can see every year at the Goodwood Revival, it would be cool to see some F-Type GT3 cars competing in FIA Blancpain GT racing or FIA WEC racing or ACO [Nurburgring 24 Hours] sanctioned GT3 racing).
The F-Type is not just another sports car. Look up videos where it's designers speak about it and they all say they were going for an E-Type look, especially the rear glass area on the hardtop. The designers couldn't just put E-Type style headlights on it because of modern day regulations, but they did what they could and came out with a car that can be considered a great modern day interpretation of the E-Type.
And it's way more of a GT car than just another sports car. If they wanted it to be an out and out sports car, they would have put a dual-clutch automated-manual in it or offered a stick shift option. But no. They put an 8-speed automatic in it with manual override.
And speaking of the SLS, I've amassed enough disposable income to buy myself a treat after 30 years in the aerospace biz. I've already contacted AMG's in-house customization center (because the SLS is at the top of my list right now, followed closely by a new 911 GT3 with the cool way pulling back on both paddles at the same time is like putting the clutch in and letting go is like dropping the clutch instead of just putting the car in neutral which is what would happen in other paddle shift cars, and an Aston Martin refurbished previous Vanquish with a stick-shift, which Aston Martin now offers to do the conversion for customers in house, and not have to deal with the clunky paddle shift box they came with) and they told me the exact car I want is doable. An SLS with all of the go-fast bits from a Black Series (upgraded motor, lighter backbone, suspension, titanium exhaust, etc.) but with none of the aero (like the boy-racer looking fixed mini GT3 rear wing). So basically the gorgeous lines of a "regular" SLS AMG, but a Black Series underneath the bodywork. Silver with a red interior, and black or steel-look brake calipers instead of the tacky yellow ones. It'll be a one of a kind, COPO Camaro type of car. I'm gonna call again and see what they can do, because I'd imagine it would just be an electronics change to make it have that same feature as the new 911 GT3, pulling back on both paddles at the same time is like putting the clutch in, and letting go is like dropping the clutch (for some "hooligan" behavior). It is an automated-manual dual-clutch transmission, afterall.
And yes, the SLS is also a modern day interpretation of the 300SL gullwing door cars of the '50s, but with many more liberties taken, in my opinion. The F-Type droptop looks like a modern E-Type droptop (long hood, short rear deck lid) and the hardtop has that C-pillar rearward, rear glass and bodywork that is totally E-Type. But again, I still think it "stands alone" because of all the attention to detail the designers put in to make it a modern E-type day, 8-speed automatic grand touring car. And yes the SLS "stands alone" in a way, but despite the awesome gullwing doors and the way it is an awesome homage to the 300SLs of the '50s, I'm more ok with it going head to head with other cars because even being the homage car that it is, it is also a very capable sports car from Mercedes, that can be had in AMG, AMG GT, and Black Series flavors.
And remember, this is an opinion thing guys, so there's no need to bite peoples' heads off when they express their opinion, and turn into burn-offs like so many threads do. Let's keep it civil. And there was no smoking of anything besides cigarettes and nicotine vaporizer. :)
What were the times around the handling track? F Type seems to be the more fun car and interesting car, but the driver in you says Cayman. Personally I think I would go down the F Type route haha!
Cayman may well be a better machine than the F-Type but at least the Jaguar isn't a piece of marketing filler between two other cars. Plus the Jaguar is infinitely better looking.
ewt415 Haha, thanks for the insult... Of course it is a car but that doesn't mean it isn't a marketing ploy to gain money from people who can't afford a 911 but don't want a Boxster...
***** Well done you agree with someone else's opinion *slow clap*...
***** Wow... nothing but assumptions and hate because someone didn't say something you agree with. Really sad and pathetic hahah.
Take this as a lesson people, never have an opinion on something that people don't like because you'll get morons jumping all over you because obviously they are right about everything...
rockinchimp well I think you are entitled to your opinion :) anyway, I wouldn't call the cayman a filler, because the boxster is a roadster for spoiled wives and the 911 is a mixture of performance and luxury/elegance. the cayman is just the stripped down, fun-to-drive little brother of the 911. given the large price gap between 911 and cayman, I think it is a sensible car in the porsche line-up
I don't think the interior in the F Type is all that.
Wait until you sit in one. I didn't think it was that exceptional until I sat down and adjusted everything till it was just right. I really quite liked it.
***** hm will have to wait and see.
Kingsley Mpofu ***** What were u comparing the interior to? I was going to trade in my 2009 911 for a f-type. When I sat in the F type, definitely felt cheap compared to the Porsche.
+Brian Ngan It's doesn't have the sheer quality of a 991 interior but the F-Type R Coupe I was in was quite enjoyable actually - felt about 90% there in terms of the 991 Targa 4S I sat in on the same day. Porsche interior was definitely nicer.
We took the v6 s for a test drive, and my friend has a v8 r Coupe in Salsa red, the exterior looks gorgeous but the interior quality just isn't as good as its German rivals.
Jaguars eat Caimans in Brazil 🐊
One thing nobody has commented on and is for me the decider is resale value and reliability, while the Cayman isn't the most popular Porsche resale value and reliability going to be light years ahead of the Jag. I have owned a Disco 4 and a Jag I will never buy either brand again due to electronic gremlins. Porsche mostly is solid.
I'd get the F-Type before the Cayman. It's more beautiful, louder, more unique and more special overall.
But the Cayman is much better to drive tho
Grman Rodriguez And slower. Don't forget slower.
Grman Rodriguez Yes, I agree it is definitely special. I would take it any day over most cars out there and if you want to spend, much less I should add for 500+hp than Porsche and their more expensive 911s, you're definitely getting an amazing roadster! However, I'd take the cayman, the cayman would be the exception I think.
Grman Rodriguez Well if you are a transmission scrub, then you can take the F-Type. I'll stick to the Manual transmissions
+JolietJake64 - LOL, remind us of Jaguar's racing history and compare it Porsche's. It's like night and day.
I was driving on the M25(London UK) the other day and it was raining really heavily. i saw a Boxter spin out on the other side in a straight line!! Driving thrills huh? lol! Hope no one was hurt!! For real world driving my advice is if you live in the UK then buy 4WD or AWD, unless all u do is City driving, its much safer and you can boot it anywhere whatever the weather. Rwd, save it for track days
The Cayman gts is brilliant you can keep the 911 I'd take the Cayman every single time, hmmmm what about the F type I love it the best Jag Coupe since the E type. I would have a hell of time trying to decide which one I'd have, lol sod it both
My hormones would prefer the Jag but durability, drivability, endurance, resale value and peace of mind, Cayman the obvious choice. For a decade I own a Boxster.
I would personally get the Cayman IRL because of that you can get quite cheap used ones now, some 15-20 k cheaper than a used jag (USD)
I plan to trade my chally in with some cash and ill be getting one for the price of a fully loaded accord :)
These 2 cars remind me of the M3 E30, it's all about Handling, feeling and balance between the engine and the chassis.
I guess he is right. The Cayman have maybe just that more..
I'd go for the Jag, the sound is incredible and the design outstanding! Porsche is boring
Agreed
Porsche does look dull in comparison
Hey, ViSTiE, the reviewer admitted that the microphone was not up to snuff in the Cayman so how can you rate the sound without having heard a fair comparison?
Jaguar has a beautiful V8. No more comments needed
***** mimimi
Having driven the Cayman GTS and Cayman S back to back I must say the GTS is where my money would go. It's so much sharper you wonder how they did such a great job. Hmmm time for an upgrade I think. The F-Type is great but there is plenty of time for a Jag when I'm 65.
The f-type looks better.
Although the base prices are similar, I'm willing to bet the 'as tested' prices of the cars in this video put the Porsche 50% higher than the F-Type. I priced out a GTS on the Porsche configurator and easily got to $100k with the options mentioned in the video (ceramics, TV diff, sport seats, and a few options). That's F-Type R money.
This dude can drive !
Always been a porche fan. This jag though.... my goodness it's sexy. 1 of each please. As if I could ever afford one.
Angle of attack is a reference to the angle of a wing... Slip angle is what I think you were thinking of...
This Porsche.. Incredible that when you have it in front of you, it looks more beautiful, and the sound.. Nothing sounds like in the video. The Jaguar is just marvelous, I've seen one and it looks very different from the others sports cars, and that's make its personality.
But I'm a Porsche lover, so I would choose the GTS.. with a short trip in the F-type before ;)
1 of those rivalries where you really cannot pick a winner; just 2 Beautiful cars at the very top of the tree
Jag looks great, but so does the Cayman. Jags weight would always bother me knowing it was holding the car back from even more. The GTS however is focused and tighter.
the cayman is lighter and faster turns better. its obviously the more capable sports car. if only jag cut
out all the flab and drilled the chassis it would then stand a chance.
Even on a race track I couldn't drive my 993 like that (too chicken). The only right answer for me is to have both in my garage because they are both 'the best' in their own ways.