I had the same surgery, except on my left shoulder back in 2021, it took me a long time to recover. Like 6 months and even then I had to take it slow at first, when I worked that arm again
This is tough, can't really trade a guy that's coming off of surgery. Hopefully he can come back in good shape and can be traded at the deadline for reinforcements.
I've had that on both shoulders, my throwing power never came back to prior to injury. It will depend on how bad it is in there, MRI's don't show the full extent, just that there is a problem.
REMEMBER Masa was fine against lefty pitching (.273) in 2023. The injury likely caused problem 2024. He throws righty which might be another reason he wasn't in LF. When healthy adequate LF with around .300 ave, 15-20 HR, 80-90, excellent OBP. Surgery could be blessing allowing him to be what they thought they were getting.
Yeah no again I dont think there is a bad thing around keeping masa, he’s a very productive player when he is healthy, but again when you look at roster construction a masa trade would make things much much easier
This is very unfortunate news Masa is likely going to have to stay until he proves he's not injured. I don't see a fit for him on this team but he's probably going to only play against right handed pitching. As you pointed out there's no good answers to solve this issue it's already going to be an interesting hot stove and this really complicates everything. 12:29
Btw,that front shoulder has a lot to do with hitting.. I'd bet this had a ton to do with his struggles hitting lefties in 2024 as well with less range of motion.. He's never had issues hitting lefties until this year. Again,lets just wait and let it work itself out. Don't forget,when he was healthy, in his first 88 games in Boston he hit 12 homers and hit .320...hit .273 against lefties in 2023 and peppered the monster.. And he hit lefties in Japan as well. And he clearly wasn't playing in the outfield because of his throwing arm. Id just be patient. Deal from a position of strength.
I don't think there was much of a market for him to bring much back anyway, unless they were going to eat a lot of money like the Sale trade. Contract-wise, they look like they are committed to Devers at 3B, Rafaella in CF, Casas, Story, etc. I would be pleasantly surprised if they dealt him and made changes. But they changed will probably be smaller and I hope it's not three more months of rumors and speculation.
Keep Masa and Redsox did this to themselves so pay Masa and use him to the teams best interest. Masa should realize our rookies and 2nd year outfielders with Duran and possibly O'Neil he just can't be an everyday fielder. Masa with a healed shoulder should be solid. He's on the team now make moves regardless of this fact. Masa might not get to play some games and he will need to be a team leader. Like in moneyball when Beane talks to David Justice 😅😊.
Poor Masa...well no way he gets traded, but it opens the DH slot while he's out.... Sorry I missed the live last night😢 I had a yahoo fantasy basketball draft.....
You touched on many of the points of just how much this will impact his trade value here, for that great job! I don't mind keeping him as your platoon Left handed DH, he can hit and doesn't strike out much so that is pretty important. Right now only way he goes is if they eat most of the contract and or part with a few decent prospects to go along with that. No team will want a DH only making that much who just had surgery. The only option that you did not cover was, with all the possible tentions here and if he hears that most teams will not want him as a DH only, could he decide to go back to Japan? Might be the best case scenario for all involved. Just a thought.
Baseballtradevalues has Yoshida's value -23.6 million. He is owed 55. 8 million for 3 year. His 1.4WAR average x 9 million is worth 12.6×3 years =37.8 million 37.6-55.8 = -18.2 million plus 5 million deduction for his surgery Breslow would have take another bad contract or throw in another decent prospects. So Yoshida is an issue that isn't going easy to solve.
Masa's surgery makes him untradable to the trade deadline. His spot is needed to become more right-handed. They may move Abreau. But, there is a roster crunch. Not just the 26 but the 40 man. With all the people on the 60 day injury list. They all need to be moved to the 40 man. I believe the right handed bat will be internal. I think Grissom will be a 2nd with Hamilton being the back up. To get another right handed bat. They have Campbell. He can also play the outfield. But he will need to be moved onto the 40 man. None of the studs need to be added to the 40 man immediadieately so there is time. It will be another month before we start seeing the moves on how the Red Sox are going to create the roster. The Red Sox may have almost an identical team as last year (minus the free agents) because of all the players hurt. You will see a new player added monthly when injuries hit.
Honestly I don't think it will be the same roster, I do think they are going to make significant adjustments to the big league roster before opening day
@@redseatradio They have all these players ready to come up. And with Masa's injury. I think they will wait to make wholesale changes. I think they will wait for them to be ready without blocking then, I think there will be a lot of movement at the trade dead line. Selling their surplus and buying what they actually need. Which will probably include a few more bullpen arms.
I hope we don’t have a repeat of the Rusney Castillo situation. He’s obviously a better hitter than Rusney was but the salary makes for some parallel challenges.
@@PatrickGlennn Rusney was an AAAA player. Masa is an above average Major leaguer. And if they do Masa dirty they can kiss any pitching prospect out of Japan good bye.
I was expecting him to move during this offseason. The Sox still have to free up DH. They can't trade him now with the injury, but since he has options at AAA, keep him there and recall him if needed, until the mid-season trade deadline. Problem solved.
Maybe but that is a lot of wasted money sitting in AAA, and even if he absolutely crushes it down there it will still be hard to find a trade partner with all of the lingering questions
@@redseatradio Cora was determined to to not put him on the field though. Unless it was because of that shoulder injury… Because for me, a good contact (with the occasional dinger) hitter is welcome in our line-up.
I understand at his best and healthiest, Masa was no Dwight Evans in the outfield. That being said, how much do you think this shoulder impacted the team’s decision to strictly DH him last year? I thought they were extremely rigid about this, but the shoulder may offer an explanation.
I'm afraid you're right. I think I would play him and hope he improves his value enough for a later trade. And at the same time see how things develop and be prepared for anything at the trade deadline. This just may ensure that their window of contention doesn't open until 2026 and they have to think that way.
Maybe but if you want to improve the team and get some of these rookies up here there has to be room and right now Masa is going to make that really difficult
Well, so much for your Idea to pluck Castillo from the Mariners. Did the Red Sox know that he had this injury? I know there is a concern about how moving a Japanese player impacts the ability to sign other Japanese players, but if Yoshida hid this injury that is not acceptable. If he has a beef with the Sox you do not want that to become a clubhouse cancer. I think you get him back early next year, hope that he does well - and look to trade him at the deadline… which would be odd if the Sox are in contention.
One trade I could see Yoshida involved in is for Arenado. Cardinals are trying to shed payroll and go through a retool, and don’t really have any lefty contact bats besides Brendan Donavon. Left field could also open for them, as they can move Nootbaar to Right Field and DH Jordan Walker I don’t think the prospects given up would have to be anything crazy. Just browsing the prospects potentially Bleis and Sandlin? I’m not too good at trade value but just something I came up with. Only thought of this because they have Bloom in their FO now. But this would give you a gold glove right-handed hitter at 3rd base to help with defense, you can either play Casas or Devers at 1st and DH the other, and it would only cost about $4 million more this year for Arenado, as the Rockies still pay a part of his contract for the next two years. After next year, his contract is even less than what the Red Sox pay for Yoshida Just a thought - of course this is all dependent on if Arenado lets his No Trade Clause go to the Red Sox, most Cardinals fans assume he wants to go be a Dodger. I will admit that I’m a Cardinals fan, so if there’s any bias to this trade I apologize. I don’t know if the Cardinals would be interested but I feel like reaching out to Bloom doesn’t hurt in this situation. Enjoy listening to the show
I honestly dont think it is a terrible idea, it could be possible, I just think with the surgery teams would get extremely weary of thinking about trading for him
I agree that Yoshida at this point is not the best fit for the team but I question the wisdom of thinking of the DH spot as a rotational fill-in ..historically the best have been set as DH most of the time like Edgar Martinez, David Ortiz and even Shohei Ohtani right now. Yoshida-San is just not the trad DH …I wish he could play 2b ! He still has a lot of value.
that's more of a red sox thing than it is a baseball thing. Having the DH as a versatile option allows you to fit much more talent on the roster which is what the sox need right now. We as fans have been spoiled by sox DHs but that doesn't necessarily mean it is the only way to use the position correctly
Regardless if he had surgery this offseason or not,the better move would be to trade him next offseason after he rebuilds his value. You'll likely see Abreu gone for pitching with Anthony sliding into right field.. Why rush Mayer and Teel? Just let it happen naturally.
Sure but they need to come up at some point in 2025 it will just be wasted value at this point to keep them down there another year. And when you do get to that point what the hell do you do with them to make room
IMO,Masa is a above average player but he’s just not that good ;we have much more talents better than him. Unfortunately,he’ll be impossible to be trades atm. This injury may affect our all action this offseason,we may not trade Wilyer,Duran,or other impressive prospects for a 30 or even older pitcher,so the offseason will become tough. And we can’t even DFA Masa,it’ll be a ridiculous move if we do so. We can trade Rafaela or someone like him,good player but not great enough imo. Anyway,it’ll be great if we can successfully trade Masa for any pitcher.
I didn't think they were going to get a lot for him if he was healthy, now it looks like they will have to keep him. He is as you brilliantly put it a platoon DH. I guess that wouldn't be bad but he is making $18 million a year. I say let him get healthy and DH him against righties for now. He is a good player but is only worth about half of what they are paying him.
Yeah the money is kind of rough and I do think he could play well against lefties he did in 2023, I’m just concerned that is where they are going to end up keeping him and that is really going to bog down the roster
I had the same surgery, except on my left shoulder back in 2021, it took me a long time to recover. Like 6 months and even then I had to take it slow at first, when I worked that arm again
Not exactly super encouraging news lol
This is tough, can't really trade a guy that's coming off of surgery. Hopefully he can come back in good shape and can be traded at the deadline for reinforcements.
maybe but then where do you put him in the mean time
@@redseatradioIf his shoulder is squared away, you rotate him through left field and DH just like everybody else.
I like Masa a lot. He's a darn good hitter, and seems like a genuinely good guy. But damn, they hamstrung themselves with that deal.
yeah its really hard cause it has nothing to do with him as a person or player and everything to do with the way the roster currently is
@@redseatradio I would love to see him catch on somewhere else, but who the heck is gonna take on that contract?
Hopefully the Giants since I'm a fan from the bay @@kenbrandt6100
I've had that on both shoulders, my throwing power never came back to prior to injury. It will depend on how bad it is in there, MRI's don't show the full extent, just that there is a problem.
I’ve had that surgery on my nine throwing. Took about 4 months recovery and pt, then with Masa prob add on two months.
Not the best news
REMEMBER Masa was fine against lefty pitching (.273) in 2023. The injury likely caused problem 2024. He throws righty which might be another reason he wasn't in LF. When healthy adequate LF with around .300 ave, 15-20 HR, 80-90, excellent OBP. Surgery could be blessing allowing him to be what they thought they were getting.
Yeah no again I dont think there is a bad thing around keeping masa, he’s a very productive player when he is healthy, but again when you look at roster construction a masa trade would make things much much easier
This is very unfortunate news Masa is likely going to have to stay until he proves he's not injured. I don't see a fit for him on this team but he's probably going to only play against right handed pitching. As you pointed out there's no good answers to solve this issue it's already going to be an interesting hot stove and this really complicates everything.
12:29
yeah it absolutely makes things much more complicated
HGH works miracles, just saying....
Btw,that front shoulder has a lot to do with hitting.. I'd bet this had a ton to do with his struggles hitting lefties in 2024 as well with less range of motion.. He's never had issues hitting lefties until this year. Again,lets just wait and let it work itself out. Don't forget,when he was healthy, in his first 88 games in Boston he hit 12 homers and hit .320...hit .273 against lefties in 2023 and peppered the monster.. And he hit lefties in Japan as well. And he clearly wasn't playing in the outfield because of his throwing arm. Id just be patient. Deal from a position of strength.
Why didn’t we get his surgery done August-September since our season was over
I hope RED SOX can sign Taiwan ace 古林睿煬,he is the best pitcher in Taiwan this year 125games era1.66 150k and 28BB
I don't think there was much of a market for him to bring much back anyway, unless they were going to eat a lot of money like the Sale trade. Contract-wise, they look like they are committed to Devers at 3B, Rafaella in CF, Casas, Story, etc. I would be pleasantly surprised if they dealt him and made changes. But they changed will probably be smaller and I hope it's not three more months of rumors and speculation.
Now it will be impossible to trade Masa.
Certainly doesn't make it easier
Looks like they are stuck with Masa for now. As you pointed out Corbin, other teams are not going to take the risk of adding him to their rosters.
Keep Masa and Redsox did this to themselves so pay Masa and use him to the teams best interest. Masa should realize our rookies and 2nd year outfielders with Duran and possibly O'Neil he just can't be an everyday fielder. Masa with a healed shoulder should be solid. He's on the team now make moves regardless of this fact. Masa might not get to play some games and he will need to be a team leader. Like in moneyball when Beane talks to David Justice 😅😊.
Poor Masa...well no way he gets traded, but it opens the DH slot while he's out....
Sorry I missed the live last night😢 I had a yahoo fantasy basketball draft.....
Hopefully you had a good draft!
You touched on many of the points of just how much this will impact his trade value here, for that great job! I don't mind keeping him as your platoon Left handed DH, he can hit and doesn't strike out much so that is pretty important. Right now only way he goes is if they eat most of the contract and or part with a few decent prospects to go along with that. No team will want a DH only making that much who just had surgery. The only option that you did not cover was, with all the possible tentions here and if he hears that most teams will not want him as a DH only, could he decide to go back to Japan? Might be the best case scenario for all involved. Just a thought.
No dont think so, I think he would have to completely void his contract which would make absolutely no sense from a financial point of view
Baseballtradevalues has Yoshida's value -23.6 million. He is owed 55. 8 million for 3 year. His 1.4WAR average x 9 million is worth 12.6×3 years =37.8 million
37.6-55.8 = -18.2 million plus 5 million deduction for his surgery
Breslow would have take another bad contract or throw in another decent prospects. So Yoshida is an issue that isn't going easy to solve.
Yeah it’s not going to be easy at all
Masa's surgery makes him untradable to the trade deadline. His spot is needed to become more right-handed. They may move Abreau. But, there is a roster crunch. Not just the 26 but the 40 man. With all the people on the 60 day injury list. They all need to be moved to the 40 man. I believe the right handed bat will be internal. I think Grissom will be a 2nd with Hamilton being the back up. To get another right handed bat. They have Campbell. He can also play the outfield. But he will need to be moved onto the 40 man. None of the studs need to be added to the 40 man immediadieately so there is time. It will be another month before we start seeing the moves on how the Red Sox are going to create the roster. The Red Sox may have almost an identical team as last year (minus the free agents) because of all the players hurt. You will see a new player added monthly when injuries hit.
Honestly I don't think it will be the same roster, I do think they are going to make significant adjustments to the big league roster before opening day
@@redseatradio They have all these players ready to come up. And with Masa's injury. I think they will wait to make wholesale changes. I think they will wait for them to be ready without blocking then,
I think there will be a lot of movement at the trade dead line. Selling their surplus and buying what they actually need. Which will probably include a few more bullpen arms.
I hope we don’t have a repeat of the Rusney Castillo situation. He’s obviously a better hitter than Rusney was but the salary makes for some parallel challenges.
No yea I don't think this is anywhere near the Castillo situation because masa can actually hit in MLB
@@PatrickGlennn Rusney was an AAAA player. Masa is an above average Major leaguer. And if they do Masa dirty they can kiss any pitching prospect out of Japan good bye.
damn it. get well soon masa but there goes our pitching opportunities 😭
Not really. Masa was never going to be the one that brings back a massive impact player
@@redseatradio not even some young prospects? like what we traded renfroe?
@@mikaylarivera1337 if he could return by himself, say 2 AA relief pitchers under 25 years old. I'd be in on that. Along with kicking in some cash.
@@saltygrampy when masa returns?
I was expecting him to move during this offseason. The Sox still have to free up DH. They can't trade him now with the injury, but since he has options at AAA, keep him there and recall him if needed, until the mid-season trade deadline. Problem solved.
Maybe but that is a lot of wasted money sitting in AAA, and even if he absolutely crushes it down there it will still be hard to find a trade partner with all of the lingering questions
In regard to his defensive limitations, It always was a strange acquisition from the beginning.
Now we look stuck with him unless we take a huge loss.
Honestly I think he would be a perfectly fine outfielder. The problem is that you have so many very very good defenders
@@redseatradio Cora was determined to to not put him on the field though. Unless it was because of that shoulder injury…
Because for me, a good contact (with the occasional dinger) hitter is welcome in our line-up.
I understand at his best and healthiest, Masa was no Dwight Evans in the outfield. That being said, how much do you think this shoulder impacted the team’s decision to strictly DH him last year? I thought they were extremely rigid about this, but the shoulder may offer an explanation.
it may be. I think it more so had to do with the fact that they were trying to play better defense and they had much better defenders available
There’s one trade candidate gone😂
yea not looking great on that front
I'm afraid you're right. I think I would play him and hope he improves his value enough for a later trade. And at the same time see how things develop and be prepared for anything at the trade deadline. This just may ensure that their window of contention doesn't open until 2026 and they have to think that way.
Maybe but if you want to improve the team and get some of these rookies up here there has to be room and right now Masa is going to make that really difficult
@@redseatradio So true. But as you point out, there's not any really good alternative, is there?
It was the year of the shoulder …Raffy..Story…YOSHIDA ! There go’s any trade value if any he had 😢
Man this really has been the year of the shoulder huh
Yeah didn't think of
Well, so much for your Idea to pluck Castillo from the Mariners.
Did the Red Sox know that he had this injury? I know there is a concern about how moving a Japanese player impacts the ability to sign other Japanese players, but if Yoshida hid this injury that is not acceptable.
If he has a beef with the Sox you do not want that to become a clubhouse cancer.
I think you get him back early next year, hope that he does well - and look to trade him at the deadline… which would be odd if the Sox are in contention.
No i dont think he was hiding anything Cora knew that he was dealing with issues I don’t think anyone knew how bad it would end up being
He has options? Keep him in Worcester and hope somebody puts a claim in on him.
Not exactly how that works. You would have to DFA him for a team to claim him and then the Sox are still stuck paying his entire salary
One trade I could see Yoshida involved in is for Arenado. Cardinals are trying to shed payroll and go through a retool, and don’t really have any lefty contact bats besides Brendan Donavon. Left field could also open for them, as they can move Nootbaar to Right Field and DH Jordan Walker
I don’t think the prospects given up would have to be anything crazy. Just browsing the prospects potentially Bleis and Sandlin? I’m not too good at trade value but just something I came up with. Only thought of this because they have Bloom in their FO now. But this would give you a gold glove right-handed hitter at 3rd base to help with defense, you can either play Casas or Devers at 1st and DH the other, and it would only cost about $4 million more this year for Arenado, as the Rockies still pay a part of his contract for the next two years. After next year, his contract is even less than what the Red Sox pay for Yoshida
Just a thought - of course this is all dependent on if Arenado lets his No Trade Clause go to the Red Sox, most Cardinals fans assume he wants to go be a Dodger. I will admit that I’m a Cardinals fan, so if there’s any bias to this trade I apologize. I don’t know if the Cardinals would be interested but I feel like reaching out to Bloom doesn’t hurt in this situation. Enjoy listening to the show
I honestly dont think it is a terrible idea, it could be possible, I just think with the surgery teams would get extremely weary of thinking about trading for him
I agree that Yoshida at this point is not the best fit for the team but I question the wisdom of thinking of the DH spot as a rotational fill-in ..historically the best have been set as DH most of the time like Edgar Martinez, David Ortiz and even Shohei Ohtani right now. Yoshida-San is just not the trad DH …I wish he could play 2b ! He still has a lot of value.
that's more of a red sox thing than it is a baseball thing. Having the DH as a versatile option allows you to fit much more talent on the roster which is what the sox need right now. We as fans have been spoiled by sox DHs but that doesn't necessarily mean it is the only way to use the position correctly
I agree. Devers.
Regardless if he had surgery this offseason or not,the better move would be to trade him next offseason after he rebuilds his value. You'll likely see Abreu gone for pitching with Anthony sliding into right field.. Why rush Mayer and Teel? Just let it happen naturally.
Sure but they need to come up at some point in 2025 it will just be wasted value at this point to keep them down there another year. And when you do get to that point what the hell do you do with them to make room
@@redseatradio Oh,I agree,,they'll both be up,,likely at or after the all star break...I'm just saying don't try to force it too quickly...
@@redseatradio Oh,I agree,,they'll both be up,,likely at or after the all star break...I'm just saying don't try to force it too quickly...
IMO,Masa is a above average player but he’s just not that good ;we have much more talents better than him. Unfortunately,he’ll be impossible to be trades atm. This injury may affect our all action this offseason,we may not trade Wilyer,Duran,or other impressive prospects for a 30 or even older pitcher,so the offseason will become tough. And we can’t even DFA Masa,it’ll be a ridiculous move if we do so. We can trade Rafaela or someone like him,good player but not great enough imo. Anyway,it’ll be great if we can successfully trade Masa for any pitcher.
I didn't think they were going to get a lot for him if he was healthy, now it looks like they will have to keep him. He is as you brilliantly put it a platoon DH. I guess that wouldn't be bad but he is making $18 million a year. I say let him get healthy and DH him against righties for now. He is a good player but is only worth about half of what they are paying him.
Yeah the money is kind of rough and I do think he could play well against lefties he did in 2023, I’m just concerned that is where they are going to end up keeping him and that is really going to bog down the roster
Buy both out Story and Masa
It’s already a guaranteed contract
Put him in a deal with a top prospect. Get him off the team.
That’s really bad now we can’t trade him he knew what he was doing 😒😒😒
No no I don't think he did this just to stay on the red sox, like i mentioned hes not exactly pumped with the Sox right now
Sign vlad jr!!
Hl ell ya
He’s not a free agent
They need right hand power hitter with a 280 lifetime.Average if you can find it.
And maybe I havelfway decent in fielder or outfielder
STAR? That's clickbate-ish bro.
Trade him
How and for who
Why didn’t we get his surgery done August-September since our season was over