N54 VS B58 watch this before buying one in 2023
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- In this video I break down the big pros and cons of both the bmw n54 and B58 engines. I break down everything from interior quality to engine capabilities. I also talk about mods associated with each engine and how much maintenance engine power plant requires. don’t buy one without first watching this video. I make sure to cover the more desirable transmissions and problems that you will run into
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When my n54 dies, I'll be looking into a b58 conversion. E92 just looks to damn good!
Anyone who has done this conversion? I want to get pre owned 135 with n54 and swap with b58
This was literally my exact thought
Nothing available been looking since the b58 was released
Never a doubt can’t forget we had the M57 swapped 1 series from TikTok but homie sold it.
@@tatumjohnson855someone swaps a b58 in a e90 in Europe they have a IG
ive been building n54s forever, and b58s for about 4 years now. some advice, build an 54 car before you venture into the b58 cars , for 6k you can build a wet sleeved n54 long block, fire finged and setup for 625 studs, stock n54 head, upgrade valvesprings for $600 and that block will handle 1000whp all day long. delete the index 12 direct injection on the n54, its CHEAPER to buy maxxecu standalone ecu with harness and some port injection than it is to replace index12s. you can 8hp70 swap a 335i for under $4000 and upgrade cluthces in it for 500 bucks, hold 1000whp all day long. my 1100whp 8hp75 335i outruns a 1100whp b58 a90 (i own both). you can literally run just as fast as b58 with an n54 for 1/3 the price to build for parts, and the cars are literally dirt cheap. n54s are cheap as k series to build now per cylinder. im 30-35k into my 335 including cost of the car and half of that is the pure drivetrain solutions trans build and theres not a b58 car on the planet other than mikes a90 that can come close to my car. this winter im going 7.70s
I just built a b58, Crazy stuff, posting video soon.
Tbh I just want a reliable 500 whp
I feel like a b58 can do it easier
do you have ig account that i can follow your build I'm interested
@@Tachyon836I was the same way but trust me 500 ain’t enough u gonna want more 😭
Does this guy have an IG ? OR content of his n54 I'd love to see it
A lot of people really love the ZF auto on the b58 cars. It can be customised so much, feels very stable up to 700 hp and feels a bit like a dual clutch
It’s absolutely a monster but a few people have destroyed it not so much now with the Xhp so I think it will only get better
Pure trans upgrade doing really good work for this trans
i have a pure drivetrain solutions stage 2 zf8hp75 swapped into my e92 335i.. wet sleeved block, stroker kit, cams, n53 head swap, 625 studs, fire ringed etc. cost me $8500 to build the engine $4500 for turbo kit and parts, $4000 for standalone trans controller, maxxecu, and fueling. bought the car for $1400 with blown turbos. the trans was 15k fully built with 5k rpm stall. i might have $3000 in wheels, tires, suspension etc. total cost of the build is just about 35k. i just made 1100whp throught he 8hp75 and my car isnt even stressing to make that power. for 35k you can buy a used b58 car, do downpipe tune. i have 15k miles on my high compression n54 with 8hp swap and it drives like a brand new 8 speed bmw. 0 n54 issues, no leaks, no misfires, no issues with knock etc. i had the stock n54 engine with the 8hp75, full weight at 720whp and i was running side by side with our 800hp a90 supra. for 1/3 the price.
you can buy clutches for the 8hp transmissions for like 500 dollars and hold 800ft lbs all day long i have build several of them if you need any info@@Juanscars
@@Mp-jw1qgyeah sure you do
N54 gang here, but I love the b58. I'd say, you are a very patient man for keeping the boost conservative until you have a built engine!
Most people would want to send it, but I also don't want to blow my engine up, so I think I'm going to do what you do, and keep my car under 24psi/550hp when I upgrade my turbos.
The turbo upgrade is $4-7gs easy, but to truly take advantage of it, you really need to fork over another $6-8gs to build the engine (if someone else builds it) so it's a game of, "how patient and mechanically sympathetic am I?"
I been thinking about getting rid of my pure stage 2 335xi and going to a b58. But damn it's so hard to sell off one of the most sexy cars ever built. The feeling of connectedness with the road in this car is second to nothing I have ever driven. With awd if puts it down from 1st like a boss. I can't imagine using much more than this on public roads lol I don't know of much that can hang around here. I have pretty much rebuilt everything at this point, but we know how it goes lol we get bored and want to build something again.
Nothing like an upgrade twins n54, I would test drive a buddys b58 but I love n54 more than b58
Have both.
I have a e90 N54 top mount with a 6266. Simple build DI only on E30 pushing 20psi. It’s fast enough for the streets. Pulls crazy hard and beats 90% of the cars on the street. I don’t need to push over 700 hp, I’m happy with 500 whp safe reliable power.
I had the same set up on my old n54, single ftw! I'm gonna be buying an m340i very soon, and I can't wait for the power/great reliability of the b58!
Yeah it’s great knowing bmw made a car that is actually reliable
11:32 need this as my next car
11.30-11.35
I’ve owned a n54 and did everything myself until recently getting into the B58. IMO the B58 is way less of a pain to deal with than a N54
I agree, everything is easier to work on
N54 will make you a great mechanic, but I enjoy working on it.
@@joshuaquilliam2887this I had 0 car experience and had been daily my 02 Silverado. Working on my BMW you just have to have patience and can’t half a** is.
One of the best and most useful bimmer comparisons, good looks!!
a great video from a small channel. hope your channel grows
Thank you for the support
Juan great video, love the cars in the background.
Thank you! Next time I’ll probably do a script! Haha
If my n54 blows I'll be looking at a b58. Plan to drive it till no more parts available. Seen the potential of tuned b58 just insane.
11.30 - I've owned camaros, etc and just in the past couple years got into bmw's, really great cars if you keep up with them
When you setup an n54 properly, it will make just as much power and be just as reliable. The suspension geometry is EXTREMELY similar (almost the same). The n54 bang for buck is unbeatable. Also n55 EWG cars are pretty damn good too ( f series/late year motors)
Did rod bearing issues ever get better on the newer n55s?
@@Juanscars n55 has rod bearing issues, n54 doesnt. But n55 has rod bearing issues if you push alot of power thats why people modify n54 instead
@@Juanscars issue with early n55 cars. Not the newer EWG cars. The f series n55s are a lot closer to an s55 with different turbo setup and a bottom end not as robust but can still take quite a lot
So tempted to sell my N54. It’s giving me a plethora of issues that I’ve constantly had to pour money into. Now my turbos are showing signs of failure at 74k! Doing my trans service on my ZF6 soon, then turbos. But really tempted to just sell this and put a down payment on a B58.
Yeah 74k is when mine went out, get a nice set of oem+ turbos from vargas
@@Juanscars ehh heard bad from Vargas. Pures are the way to go
@D&T Nation sounds even worse 😂😂
@@rrokastrippin with 19ts😂😂😂
@@nobleperez4558 ended up going with DAW flow max plus
N54 was on the 2013 335is. I think it was on the 2014 Z4 S Drive 35is too, but without the pony radiator as there never was enough room.
F30 okay, but for a B58 I would go for a G30 340i either the requisite cold pack to get the LSD. MFactory LSD with M3 bushings and arms were necessary to get handling where I wanted on my 335is. Seats are better in the E92 and the size is right compared to later F and G versions unless you haul 4 people a lot.
Great points, I completely forgot about the 2013 335is being n54 those are hard to find. I had a 2009 z4 35is and had no idea they had the same motor for so long, thanks for the knowledge
A month ago I got white on whites interior e93 n54 auto from old gentleman for 10k $ fully stock clean title car with 43k original miles, it’s in brand new condition…
I feel guilty to modify it lol. Most likely will keep it stock as weekend car
Keep it original or just do a stage 1
From the information I've heard and seen the manuals in these cars can handle over 1000 hp easily with a good clutch. Mind you you do have to put in z high quality clutch if you want it to go over the 700hp or so mark.
b58 doesn't feel like a race car setup its too modern. I enjoy my e92 full race car setup currently pushing close 700 to the wheels with 6266.
I agree 100%
Totally agree, sadly you cant get a manual b58 with hydraulic steearing.
The setup isn't that far off lol. It's just superior in every way.
Brilliant video thanks 🙏
11:30 - 11:35, I've owned my very own E92 335i and regret letting it go.
I wanted too see them race
How the n54 holding up? What is the n54 making to the wheel?
11:31
Have an E90 & E92 N54. Might sell the E90 for a F30 B58
You should look into a cam. I hear it’s going to make the awesome cam for the Anthony Ford games like 40 hp just off the cam and torque. And sound better.
The current major problem with the N54 is those damn direct injectors. $3.4k USD for index 12's is crazy, and if you buy any below 12 they will go to sht.
I think 11s are good too. It’s the ethanol that kills them
@@Juanscars 11's are good but you have to buy used and I don't trust used. I heard 1's are the best.
The next video should be about the cost of the mods
I’ll work on that asap, check back next week
The dots were at 11:31
11:30 Nice video. I do have an N55 planning on Rod bearing update. Do you use coated or original bearing?
I would 100% use coated if they make them for the n55 especially if you are already doing the big job.
Sell it , horrible engine
@@ganuv a more reliable n54? N54 is only better in bone stock form.
I believe bearings and other crucial parts of rotating assembly are coated/treated to accommodate stop/start on b58. A by product of this is better longevity I guess?
Yeah that was the best thing bmw ever did. Rod bearings have been an issue forever
11.30 the is is my dream car
cant forget to mention the b58 is closed deck whereas the n54 is not, the b58s block is actually designed around the diesel variant which is why its capable of 1000hp+
I appreciate the knowledge I’m building one
To be specific the N54 is more of the reliable be car for tuning 😊
Selling lies on the b58
Do you think a 2016 340i 6mt with 122k worth around 20k? One is for sale and I’m trying to get him down as much as possible.
Not too far off I would say that’s fair as long as it’s M sports and well kept up.
11:30-35 e90 335 FTW! in all seriousness both cars are extremely cabable but god what i would do to get one of those zf 8 speeds in my e90 😂 that trans is really what makes the newer bimmers worth it imo
It's super cheap to do these days, do it!
The 6 speed 45bz in the 340 won’t take more that 600whp long. 53bz in the n54 is known to take 1000whp without being cracked open. Sucks there not stronger manual trans you can swap into a b58 since starter is on the bottom. Hope the Supra trans hood or might have to get a 6 speed attached to a n57
What's the power limit of the manual transmission assuming you have the Motive twin disc clutch?
I hear 600 wheel
Torque
Index 12 injectors are $450 per. Just insanity. I've owned a fbo 135i, I'll take a B58 all day.
The index 12s can literally total the car b58 by a country mile
Any difference with 2016 n54
Is there such a thing?
So basically if i had the money get the B58 but if im on limited funds go with the N54😂❤
11:31 brother
B58 is fast and reliable, so easy to work on compared to others cars I've owned
100% turbo, hpfp, valve cover all easy to work on. Good amount of space
We need to have a chat
Anytime hit me at @juanscars
Hi Juan,
Do you have any oil consumption on the B58, and what kind of oil have you been using?
So N55 is worse then n54???
The problem with the n55 are the rod bearings they will go and it takes the engine along with them
N54 is way to problematic and expensive to maintain 3k for injectors makes no sense can literally forged a n55 for that money and have the more reliable engine. B58 obviously is the greatest engine of the last 30 years so its a no brainer
11:30 😁
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@@Juanscars dm'd
Both can make 1000 with pistons, rods, and head bolts
N54 will need a stand alone ecu, it reads blind after 850wheel
11:58
It ain't N54 VS B58 but it should any Porsche
b58
Dude you’re comparing your own personal feelings vs what the actual cars can do 😂😂
Don’t buy a N54 un less you are ready to throw at least 10k into the engine it is not worth owning even if you keep it stock
😂😂😂 I'm not buying that B58 is trash
The ZF with XHP stage 3 is faster then the DCT
You think? I’ve heard people say DCT is always faster
Faster shifting? Not really.
Dct smacks gears harder, but is it really faster? Dct can be so aggressive it can upset a lot.. in terms of time, pulling, just laying the foot down and go. I’d say zf is better. It’s quick in picking up the next gear but it’s subtle in engagement.. it won’t upset the rearend and stays pretty consistent all the way through. Just my opinion.
E92 335is DCT N54T🫡
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