+ChristianIce Heavier gauge strings work better mechanically and sound better on longer scales. Look at the strings on a piano. There is a reason they are not all the same length. This is also why we now have fanned fret guitars.
+ChristianIce Gee... Taking something which access to is critically important and arbitrarily making it more difficult, convoluted, expensive, and time consuming to get to with utter disregard of the consequences. Hmmm... Sounds more like something the Barry administration would do. Hello, "Affordable" Care Act!!
Actually, Warmoth, the company that made the replacement neck (as specified at the beginning of the video) has a variety of easy neck conversions. They offer short scale and long scale. And yes, intonation would be altered, but that's nothing a few minutes with an allen wrench wouldn't fix.
If you know how. Personally I don’t get why players that are way better technically than me don’t setup their own guitars? To me if it’s a passion I want to know how to do anything and everything. Just takes time to learn 🤷🏻♂️ I do that with everything but my point is people are capable of more than they think but I guess lazy? Idk what to call it
I'm curious about one thing. Not to argue with John, as he is certainly an experienced well known and respected Luthier. But…why measure and adjust the Action PRIOR to adjusting the Nut…? Adjusting the Nut slot depth will affect the overall Action height…it should be done Before the Action is adjusted…
Awesome, this looks like a fun, doable home project. I also got some great tips that I will use to put together the guitar I'm gathering parts for. Thanks!
the headstock on the tele thinline at the end appears to have a steal your face on it. nice!!!! as for all the comments about the neck. I think he did a good job of walking us thru the process.
Hi! What I've learned from my experience, and the teachings of others that have been luthiers for 50+ years, is that using one's own hands to do careful work is preferred to using cordless power drills. Get the screw started and do the rest by hand. You have more control and there's less possibility of making an error, and if you do fuck up there's less work that needs to be done to mitigate it.
Great video man. Exactly what I was looking for. Still a little confused on intonation, but I'm sure there are other resources out there on that. Thanks!!
Great video. very informative. And I was hoping I might be able to ask a couple of questions if you have time? 1. I did not quite understand the brand of tuners that you are using? (I am sure it is me, hearing isn't what it used to be, Lol). 2. The Baritone neck you are using? That just seems to fit oh so well.. You have done this once or twice I'd say. I am about to do some research on Baritone neck(s) for my ibanez or one of the other guitars. I.haven't decided yet. My question to you is, ... is there a particular mfr you like over others. are the necks all the same to a point where, if they do not fit, that , body mod is the first resolution? My concern is string compensation and the ability to intonate. any advise would be most appreciated. Thank you
i agree with all of his techniques/ideas, other than the pickup height, if you want metal fat crunchy tone you always want your bridge pickup to as high as possible without the magnets interfering in low tunings of course.
Hi..Did he just srew the neck to body without even pilot holes,,I have a brand new neck and i hadnt installed it cuz I didnt know ,,if you can just put the neck in the pocket and just screw straight in like he did Im all set..any help appreciated Thanks..DH
+DHgtr1 he was using a Warmoth neck, these come with pre drilled mounting holes. you'll definitely need some pilot holes in your new neck... good luck with your project.
People who will try to do this on their own will inevitably get it wrong. It's not as easy as screw off, screw on. Just the fact that this guy had a neck ready that fit perfectly in the body cavity is something nobody should expect. That and the fact that if you do it yourself, doesn't mean you can do it to just any guitar. The positioning of the bridge and pickups will change the intonation with a different scale length and not only cause a horrible tone but you also wont have perfect pitch.
If he put a 30" scale neck on it and didn't move the bridge then it can't work. ?? If its just another 25.5" scale neck with a different headstock then why change the neck at all. You can convert a standard guitar to baritone with w/o the longer scale but the strings are almost too floppy to play. This video confused me.
@@mcogan1010 As long as the twelfth fret is about halfway between the nut and the bridge all is well. A slight deviation from the half point is needed, because the string tension gets slightly higher when you depress the string, therefore it must be fine tuned at the bridge. That is the intonation step he explains at the end of the video. As he explained in the video he didn’t just just happen to “have a neck ready that fit perfectly” as OP put it, he had ordered a Baritone replacement specifically for the guitar type (a telecaster). Since the Telecasters have standardized measurements, the frets are already correctly set up for the guitar. If you look closely at the video, the replacement neck has a 24th fret, which the original didn’t have, as standard Telecasters do not have that. The longer neck allowed a few extra frets to be added. The pickup placement in relation to scale length do not affect intonation. They affect tone, but nowhere do they give “horrible tone”, just a different tone. Pretty much every conceivable pickup placement can probably be found on at least one electric guitar model.
Very interesting video, learning how to set up guitars so I can maintain my own and make money by helping others. Also, it's coil *splitting* on a humbucker, not coil tapping. Two very different things. :)
Cute. Ever had to dig out a pivot screw buried deep inside a '63 Strat that a co-worker broke because the screw had weakened from age and the power drill applied too much torque? Using power drills for bolt-on necks, pickguards (vintage nitrates, especially), etc from start to finish is something frowned upon in luthiery schools. I personally learned from Dan Erlewine and this advice came straight from his mouth. If you don't know who he is, I suggest Google.
This wisdom goes beyond guitars. But to go beyond the wisdom I will say if you have a drill with a clutch that can be set lightly, it's the best of both worlds, and I just use hand driver for breaking loose or setting final torque. Just don't be dumb and leave it set to higher torque. I would never apply final torque to anything but rough carpentry with a drill. The idea of not being able to feel how tight I'm making it just creeps me out.
It will be amazing the neck with more frets than before gives a good intonation. It can only be done with a CUSTOM MADE neck, not something you buy. The guy is doing all fine, except the most basic thing you have to do when changing a neck, which is to verify the distance of it are correct.
first up, neck was a Warmoth conversion neck, it's designed to fit in correctly, the bridge intonation will be correct. (adjustment is needed as usual) secondly the pickup position will not effect pitch or cause disfiguring tonal issues, a change in tone will be mostly because of the string length. (pickups can be placed anywhere under the strings, just the character of the tone changes.)
This only works because the neck was designed to be a conversion, in this case it adds 2 frets, enabling the the bridge to stay in the same position.... In most cases, if you just fit a baritone neck to your guitar (or.. stick a normal 24 fret neck onto your tele), you're going to end up with intonation problems that you won't be able to fix without moving the bridge (will be out of the adjustment range of the saddles).
So sorry, I'm currently in Europe working with a major label act currently preparing for a stateside tour. Perhaps it was 6 or 7 in the morning. My opinion still stands and regretfully, so does yours. Believe what you want. My teachers, of which a few have been doing this for 50+ years and other techs I've worked with at festivals will generally not use a power drill for anything aside from winding tuners...doing that manually is how you get carpal tunnel.
Being not a pro, the main question i have: If you put on a neck which has a bigger scale, doesn't the bridge needs to be in another position. To have the 12th fret about halfway the distance of the bridge to the nut or so? Or is this in this particular case not necessary? Thanks for the feedback in advance.
I really enjoyed this!...good to see how another tech operates...not sure ill be doing this to my tele, but knowledge is always good to have in the bank... Btw, haters gonna hate!... Ignore the fools, i also think this could be a great series.. And no it wasnt to long!...
I hope someone can help me out with the question: I have a 7 string flat top warmoth body, the neck pocket (to my knowledge) was shaved down about 1/4- 1/8 of an inch. The neck on it is 25.5 inches and the intonation is a hair sharp on the upper frets. My tech recommended that I get a Baritone warmoth neck (28 and 5/8) in order to reach correct pitch and intonation. This video gives me hope but Warmoth is not giving me enough feedback. The pocket on the body and heel of the baritone neck is Tele (square shaped). This video gives me the belief that the heel of the neck is the same shape and only the shaft is extended. Does anyone know this to be true and do you believe it will work? Technicians please help!
There is a book that was put out in the 70's. Hideo Kamimoto Books. called the "Complete Guitar Repair" book. (amazon.com). The middle of the book is filled with every fret length known. (all the math has been done) And it will give you , down to the ten thousandths, (4 places behind the decimal ie: .0000,) (so you will need a micrometer) based on your fret spacing, you want to cross reference it to "The Book" (find your neck) Thus,it will give you exactly where your saddle should be in relation to the nut (distance from where the string sits on the nut to where it sits on the saddle.) if you notice. the frets decrease in spacing as you go up the neck towards the saddle. So to reference, you need to measure several frets before you can "Cross" reference it. But once you find the neck you are dealing with, butt the heel of the neck on your guitar and measure nut to saddle and see if it falls within the parameters given. if yes, you are good to go and the guitar can be intonated, if not get a different neck because it will never be in tune with itself, completely wasting your time.. I hope this was helpful. Im using english, so there is probably a whole lot of unnecessary words involved. Donepearce, little help here? Good luck!, Get the book, it will make more sense then. lol. Ps. if you get a neck with the truss rod adjustment at the heel. even tho pain in the butt. engineering makes it more stable and gives you more consistency. It is give and take. Just depends on what you want. Options are a beautiful thing.
Baritone necks are slightly longer than normal ones right? I've carved out a large portion of one of my guitars to accomodate a longer 24 fret neck, I wonder if that could be used as a baritone.
Wichita Lineman was a Fender Bass VI, tuned E-E like a guitar but an octave lower, like a bass. A true baritone guitar is in a different tuning, often B.
Well, cool video no doubt, but i wonder about the angle the nut is cut and also pickup height. I am sure some actives will be ok when really close to the strings, but very strong passives, like x2n and similar, will need like 2x 3x maybe even bigger distance from the strings.
Is that a baritone neck or just a 24-fret guitar neck instead of 21-22 frets? Also, could you just put baritone strings in an electric guitar neck or do you need the baritone neck? I also want to know what the difference is between a baritone nut and a guitar nut, and could you use a guitar nut. Can Someone please explain.
" I built my baritone using a standard bass neck" How has that worked out? Seems like the fret spacing on bass necks does not lend itself to making chords....
Hi there Anyone knows if this conversion is alright in the opposite situation...? I mean, turning a standard scale tele to a short scale tele ??? What about the bridge saddle position, it would be the same???
Install the tuners first. Dry fit the neck & put a pair of strings on the outside tuners & make sure those strings are even & align with the neck. Do not blindly drill & install the neck because it fits the neck pocket! If my customer wants a .072 low string, I drill out the tuning key. Unless you have files for cutting nut slots, take it to someone to cut them for you.
Oh yes, ShiceSquad is soon to have quite an arsenal of baritones: two Eastwood Sidejacks, one Hagstrom Viking, one Alvarez acoustic bari - and now: who knows what else? Telecaster bari soon to be added as well...
Hey is a Baritone Guitar like those 6 string Dano's and Fender VI's 6 string Bassguitars that are all over the stuff recorded in the 60's Like the solo on Glen Campbell's Galveston and Witchita Lineman ?
What do you think about constantly plucking on the bass strings while tuning instead of plucking it once and letting it ring? They say plucking it once will leave it flat when your playing?
The distance between the nut and the 12 fret is still the same as the distance between the bridge and the 12 fret. So no issues there but it does makes you think about it at first.
Those thick strings look really awesome for some deep tunings... However, my only guitar that is capable of being converted to a baritone it a really thin Ibanez, don't think it's a good candidate for it...
Intonation will be slightly off, but as long as the measurment is the same from the bridge to the 12th fret, and the 12th fret to the nut the guitar will be fine.
Probably not, because this is a conversion neck, meaning that it is designed as a drop in replacement for a regular tele neck. Other baritone scale necks are not like that, so they would require some modification to get proper intonation.
i know this is going to make me sound stupid but i was always told that if you are placing a neck it has to be the same scale length. he just put 28 5/8 neck on a guitar that had a 25.5 scale neck. does that not mess with the intonation.
Tuning. Standard is considered to be tuned to E, Baritone is tuned to B. Similar to 7 string without treble string. Real Baritones have usually neck bit longer for better tension, so no need of ropes. Wiki would tell you.
Nope. The neck just bolts on, like in this video. Where you run in to issues is trying to retrofit some odd neck on to a random body. If you go to Warmoths site, they have a fairly good explanation on how their conversion necks work. They also have a 24-3/4 conversion.
No, you wrote "It will be amazing the neck with more frets than before gives a good intonation." A baritone neck has the same number of frets as a normal guitar neck, just the spacing is further apart.
thanks for the walk through but why in the hell does warmoth not move the truss rod access to a reasonable place? having to take the guitar apart to access a key component is dumb.
Drills don't always mean power, just speed. He likely isn't incompetent and has his torque set to gentle. Using a drill saves time but doesn't mean there's going to be an excessive amount of torque/pressure used.
I can't fault him there, lots of techs will refer to split coil functionality as a "coil tap" much in the same way a person may refer to an electric screwdriver as a power drill. Reason being is that, in both cases, it uses less syllables to communicate and is generally understood regardless of whether or not it's "correct".
Here I have to say that Warmoth conversion necks have the same distance from nut to 12th fret than 12th fret to where the bridge should be on a 25.5" guitar.
Baritone necks are longer, but you can just simply put heavier gauge strings on a standard and have a baritone sound. I just wouldn't recommend ever trying to tune the strings up. 10's = standard E, 11's = Eb, 12's = D, 13's = C#, 14's = C, 15's = B, 16's = Bb, 17's = A...
I thought a string tree was to stop the strings from popping out. I left mine off before after doing work and I never got buzzingf, I just had the strings popping out of their slots when I bent a string. Fender style necks are obviously straight unlike Gibsons with their angled headstocks.
I did this myself, and enlarging the string hole on the 6th string machine head is more necessary than this guy makes out. I have trouble even getting a 60 through mine (Sperzels).
I'm sorry to ask, but what exactly is a baritone guitar? I ended here because the title of the video intrigued me, but it looks a regular guitar. I suppose baritones are defined by string gauge?
A longer neck (and scale length) provides more tension for heavy gauge strings and lower tunings. Tuning down to B on a 25.5" (standard) scale guitar will leave you with loose strings and muddy tone.
Okay.... ya swap the neck, but didn't relocate the bridge,, How so? original neck is 25.5" scale with 22 frets.. slapping on baritone neck with 27" to 28" ish scale with 22 frets.. the bridge gotta move somewhat...
You'd want a longer scale length for larger strings. It has something to do with how much of the string can achieve full oscillation. Bass guitars average anywhere from 30" to 36" to compensate for this. I'm not sure the exact science but general rule of thumb; larger the strings, longer the scale length.
as long as the 12th fret is half way between the nut and the bridge it will intonate just fine. i imagine these drop-in necks are made such that moving the bridge isn't needed
I think he's just following Fender protocol. Check out their strat or tele setup guides in which they use 4/64, 6/64, etc when specifying string & pickup heights.
in regards to the neck length... physical length is not really important, as long as the scale length is the same... a 25.5 scale length on a longer neck it the same as on a short neck... it is the distance from the nut to the 12 fret... if you didn't notice, on the Bari neck, the frets were just a hair further apart than on a normal guitar, which made up the difference in the scale...
No it doesnt ruin it at all. As long as the necks fret spacing is correct meaning nut to the 12th is the same as the 12th to the saddles intonation can be set perfectly. you can use many different scale length necks and have no issues as long as the frets are spaced accordingly.
1 step to convert your guitar in a baritone:
- _Put bigger strings._
It worked for me :)
P.S. A truss rod not accessible when the neck is on?
That's a big NO.
Who designed that? George Bush?
+ChristianIce Leo Fender but I can see how you got confused.
+ChristianIce Heavier gauge strings work better mechanically and sound better on longer scales. Look at the strings on a piano. There is a reason they are not all the same length. This is also why we now have fanned fret guitars.
+ChristianIce Gee... Taking something which access to is critically important and arbitrarily making it more difficult, convoluted, expensive, and time consuming to get to with utter disregard of the consequences. Hmmm... Sounds more like something the Barry administration would do. Hello, "Affordable" Care Act!!
+James Fielding Keep in mind that he designed it centuries ago, but guitar companies usually ain't the most innovative.
calm, thorough, and professional. very informative, thank you
Every time he says "Heighth" I die a little inside.
Every time just replace it in your head with the wording "lightly fried fish fillets"
Thanks for that.....I wish I hadn't read the comments before watching cos once you hear height-th you can't unhear it 😆
This x1000. Glad I found the comment before i posted the same one. “heighth” IS NOT A WORD, JOHN!
Wow, that was terrific to watch. I loved the detail he went into.
Thank you.
Actually, Warmoth, the company that made the replacement neck (as specified at the beginning of the video) has a variety of easy neck conversions. They offer short scale and long scale. And yes, intonation would be altered, but that's nothing a few minutes with an allen wrench wouldn't fix.
If you know how. Personally I don’t get why players that are way better technically than me don’t setup their own guitars?
To me if it’s a passion I want to know how to do anything and everything.
Just takes time to learn 🤷🏻♂️
I do that with everything but my point is people are capable of more than they think but I guess lazy? Idk what to call it
I'm curious about one thing.
Not to argue with John, as he is certainly an experienced well known and respected Luthier.
But…why measure and adjust the Action PRIOR to adjusting the Nut…?
Adjusting the Nut slot depth will affect the overall Action height…it should be done Before the Action is adjusted…
Step by step, concise presentation, learned quite a bit. Thanks, PG! More please.
Awesome, this looks like a fun, doable home project. I also got some great tips that I will use to put together the guitar I'm gathering parts for. Thanks!
the headstock on the tele thinline at the end appears to have a steal your face on it. nice!!!! as for all the comments about the neck. I think he did a good job of walking us thru the process.
That’s the most bad ass drill I’ve ever seen. I think my grandma has one like it that she ordered from the him shopping network.
Hi! What I've learned from my experience, and the teachings of others that have been luthiers for 50+ years, is that using one's own hands to do careful work is preferred to using cordless power drills. Get the screw started and do the rest by hand. You have more control and there's less possibility of making an error, and if you do fuck up there's less work that needs to be done to mitigate it.
Great video man. Exactly what I was looking for. Still a little confused on intonation, but I'm sure there are other resources out there on that. Thanks!!
I'm not likely to change my guitar neck any time soon, but I sure as hell know way more about setting my guitar up. Thanks!
Great video. very informative. And I was hoping I might be able to ask a couple of questions if you have time?
1. I did not quite understand the brand of tuners that you are using? (I am sure it is me, hearing isn't what it used to be, Lol).
2. The Baritone neck you are using? That just seems to fit oh so well..
You have done this once or twice I'd say. I am about to do some research on Baritone neck(s) for my ibanez or one of the other guitars. I.haven't decided yet. My question to you is, ... is there a particular mfr you like over others. are the necks all the same to a point where, if they do not fit, that , body mod is the first resolution? My concern is string compensation and the ability to intonate. any advise would be most appreciated. Thank you
i agree with all of his techniques/ideas, other than the pickup height, if you want metal fat crunchy tone you always want your bridge pickup to as high as possible without the magnets interfering in low tunings of course.
So many angry people. Anyhow, Great video! I was able to get my LP Baritone setup right, Thanks!
Hi..Did he just srew the neck to body without even pilot holes,,I have a brand new neck and i hadnt installed it cuz I didnt know ,,if you can just put the neck in the pocket and just screw straight in like he did Im all set..any help appreciated Thanks..DH
+DHgtr1 he was using a Warmoth neck, these come with pre drilled mounting holes. you'll definitely need some pilot holes in your new neck... good luck with your project.
People who will try to do this on their own will inevitably get it wrong. It's not as easy as screw off, screw on. Just the fact that this guy had a neck ready that fit perfectly in the body cavity is something nobody should expect. That and the fact that if you do it yourself, doesn't mean you can do it to just any guitar. The positioning of the bridge and pickups will change the intonation with a different scale length and not only cause a horrible tone but you also wont have perfect pitch.
If he put a 30" scale neck on it and didn't move the bridge then it can't work. ?? If its just another 25.5" scale neck with a different headstock then why change the neck at all. You can convert a standard guitar to baritone with w/o the longer scale but the strings are almost too floppy to play. This video confused me.
It's an instructional video on how to do it and not screw it up, dummy...
@@mcogan1010 As long as the twelfth fret is about halfway between the nut and the bridge all is well. A slight deviation from the half point is needed, because the string tension gets slightly higher when you depress the string, therefore it must be fine tuned at the bridge. That is the intonation step he explains at the end of the video. As he explained in the video he didn’t just just happen to “have a neck ready that fit perfectly” as OP put it, he had ordered a Baritone replacement specifically for the guitar type (a telecaster). Since the Telecasters have standardized measurements, the frets are already correctly set up for the guitar. If you look closely at the video, the replacement neck has a 24th fret, which the original didn’t have, as standard Telecasters do not have that. The longer neck allowed a few extra frets to be added. The pickup placement in relation to scale length do not affect intonation. They affect tone, but nowhere do they give “horrible tone”, just a different tone. Pretty much every conceivable pickup placement can probably be found on at least one electric guitar model.
Very interesting video, learning how to set up guitars so I can maintain my own and make money by helping others. Also, it's coil *splitting* on a humbucker, not coil tapping. Two very different things. :)
Cute. Ever had to dig out a pivot screw buried deep inside a '63 Strat that a co-worker broke because the screw had weakened from age and the power drill applied too much torque? Using power drills for bolt-on necks, pickguards (vintage nitrates, especially), etc from start to finish is something frowned upon in luthiery schools. I personally learned from Dan Erlewine and this advice came straight from his mouth. If you don't know who he is, I suggest Google.
This wisdom goes beyond guitars. But to go beyond the wisdom I will say if you have a drill with a clutch that can be set lightly, it's the best of both worlds, and I just use hand driver for breaking loose or setting final torque.
Just don't be dumb and leave it set to higher torque. I would never apply final torque to anything but rough carpentry with a drill. The idea of not being able to feel how tight I'm making it just creeps me out.
It will be amazing the neck with more frets than before gives a good intonation.
It can only be done with a CUSTOM MADE neck, not something you buy.
The guy is doing all fine, except the most basic thing you have to do when changing a neck, which is to verify the distance of it are correct.
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You can also get the neck from Rockinger - I bought one 4 months ago, and installed it on my telecaster; IT'S AWESOME!!
first up, neck was a Warmoth conversion neck, it's designed to fit in correctly, the bridge intonation will be correct. (adjustment is needed as usual) secondly the pickup position will not effect pitch or cause disfiguring tonal issues, a change in tone will be mostly because of the string length. (pickups can be placed anywhere under the strings, just the character of the tone changes.)
Unless you are trying to find a 24 fret baritone neck with an LP style head stock.
This only works because the neck was designed to be a conversion, in this case it adds 2 frets, enabling the the bridge to stay in the same position.... In most cases, if you just fit a baritone neck to your guitar (or.. stick a normal 24 fret neck onto your tele), you're going to end up with intonation problems that you won't be able to fix without moving the bridge (will be out of the adjustment range of the saddles).
this video is incredibly informative, thanks for making it
So sorry, I'm currently in Europe working with a major label act currently preparing for a stateside tour. Perhaps it was 6 or 7 in the morning. My opinion still stands and regretfully, so does yours. Believe what you want. My teachers, of which a few have been doing this for 50+ years and other techs I've worked with at festivals will generally not use a power drill for anything aside from winding tuners...doing that manually is how you get carpal tunnel.
What size bit do you use to put the holes in the neck and any tips for installing fender tuners
Being not a pro, the main question i have: If you put on a neck which has a bigger scale, doesn't the bridge needs to be in another position. To have the 12th fret about halfway the distance of the bridge to the nut or so? Or is this in this particular case not necessary? Thanks for the feedback in advance.
Baritone Guitars do have heavier Gauge Strings they also have a longer scale length so that they intonate better.
on all my guitars with that style truss rod I route a bit out of the neck pocket so I can fit a tool while the neck is attached
I really enjoyed this!...good to see how another tech operates...not sure ill be doing this to my tele, but knowledge is always good to have in the bank... Btw, haters gonna hate!... Ignore the fools, i also think this could be a great series.. And no it wasnt to long!...
21:29 - 22:22 *cringe that poor cable/output jack.
Only thing I could look at
I hope someone can help me out with the question:
I have a 7 string flat top warmoth body, the neck pocket (to my knowledge) was shaved down about 1/4- 1/8 of an inch. The neck on it is 25.5 inches and the intonation is a hair sharp on the upper frets. My tech recommended that I get a Baritone warmoth neck (28 and 5/8) in order to reach correct pitch and intonation. This video gives me hope but Warmoth is not giving me enough feedback.
The pocket on the body and heel of the baritone neck is Tele (square shaped). This video gives me the belief that the heel of the neck is the same shape and only the shaft is extended. Does anyone know this to be true and do you believe it will work? Technicians please help!
There is a book that was put out in the 70's. Hideo Kamimoto Books. called the "Complete Guitar Repair" book. (amazon.com). The middle of the book is filled with every fret length known. (all the math has been done) And it will give you , down to the ten thousandths, (4 places behind the decimal ie: .0000,) (so you will need a micrometer) based on your fret spacing, you want to cross reference it to "The Book" (find your neck) Thus,it will give you exactly where your saddle should be in relation to the nut (distance from where the string sits on the nut to where it sits on the saddle.) if you notice. the frets decrease in spacing as you go up the neck towards the saddle. So to reference, you need to measure several frets before you can "Cross" reference it. But once you find the neck you are dealing with, butt the heel of the neck on your guitar and measure nut to saddle and see if it falls within the parameters given. if yes, you are good to go and the guitar can be intonated, if not get a different neck because it will never be in tune with itself, completely wasting your time.. I hope this was helpful. Im using english, so there is probably a whole lot of unnecessary words involved. Donepearce, little help here? Good luck!, Get the book, it will make more sense then. lol.
Ps. if you get a neck with the truss rod adjustment at the heel. even tho pain in the butt. engineering makes it more stable and gives you more consistency. It is give and take. Just depends on what you want. Options are a beautiful thing.
Bob J Of course in the 70's there was no "7th" string. Nio worries the math is the same, get the book
+Bob J 7 strings have been around since the '50's…ever hear of George Van Eps…?
Please make these DIY videos a series!
Baritone necks are slightly longer than normal ones right? I've carved out a large portion of one of my guitars to accomodate a longer 24 fret neck, I wonder if that could be used as a baritone.
Warmoth baritone necks are called "conversion necks" They are made to retrofit without any other adjustment. Other than minor intonation of course.
Wichita Lineman was a Fender Bass VI, tuned E-E like a guitar but an octave lower, like a bass. A true baritone guitar is in a different tuning, often B.
Well, cool video no doubt, but i wonder about the angle the nut is cut and also pickup height. I am sure some actives will be ok when really close to the strings, but very strong passives, like x2n and similar, will need like 2x 3x maybe even bigger distance from the strings.
Thank you for sharing. I learn a lot. Wish there were CLOSE UP on measurements.
Is that a baritone neck or just a 24-fret guitar neck instead of 21-22 frets? Also, could you just put baritone strings in an electric guitar neck or do you need the baritone neck? I also want to know what the difference is between a baritone nut and a guitar nut, and could you use a guitar nut. Can Someone please explain.
He built a "kit " short scale baritone guitar @ 29 in. is why.
I built my baritone using a standard bass neck 30 1/2 in. with 21 frets.
" I built my baritone using a standard bass neck" How has that worked out? Seems like the fret spacing on bass necks does not lend itself to making chords....
Hi there
Anyone knows if this conversion is alright in the opposite situation...?
I mean, turning a standard scale tele to a short scale tele ???
What about the bridge saddle position, it would be the same???
Hugo Correia No , could be different
the bob ross of guitar techs
If you prefer having a Wound 2nd string replace the 17p with an 18w.
I use those Gotoh tuners, they're really smooth
Install the tuners first. Dry fit the neck & put a pair of strings on the outside tuners & make sure those strings are even & align with the neck. Do not blindly drill & install the neck because it fits the neck pocket! If my customer wants a .072 low string, I drill out the tuning key. Unless you have files for cutting nut slots, take it to someone to cut them for you.
Where do I get a baritone neck
Warmoth. You'll need to dress the frets also. They don't come dressed.
I used a standard bass neck and relocated the back bridge
What was your final scale length?
Go to aliexpress...and searche for 24 fret replacement neck
Amazing video. Thank you very much.
Oh yes, ShiceSquad is soon to have quite an arsenal of baritones: two Eastwood Sidejacks, one Hagstrom Viking, one Alvarez acoustic bari - and now: who knows what else?
Telecaster bari soon to be added as well...
A Hanna Montana Tele is going to get a new neck from me :-)
Hey is a Baritone Guitar like those 6 string Dano's and Fender VI's 6 string Bassguitars that are all over the stuff recorded in the 60's Like the solo on Glen Campbell's Galveston and Witchita Lineman ?
What do you think about constantly plucking on the bass strings while tuning instead of plucking it once and letting it ring? They say plucking it once will leave it flat when your playing?
The distance between the nut and the 12 fret is still the same as the distance between the bridge and the 12 fret. So no issues there but it does makes you think about it at first.
Those thick strings look really awesome for some deep tunings... However, my only guitar that is capable of being converted to a baritone it a really thin Ibanez, don't think it's a good candidate for it...
i just did one today with a 28.62" neck ...i had to set the bridge back 1/2' to get the intonation right...
Intonation will be slightly off, but as long as the measurment is the same from the bridge to the 12th fret, and the 12th fret to the nut the guitar will be fine.
what brand was the neck and where do you source one?
Probably not, because this is a conversion neck, meaning that it is designed as a drop in replacement for a regular tele neck. Other baritone scale necks are not like that, so they would require some modification to get proper intonation.
i know this is going to make me sound stupid but i was always told that if you are placing a neck it has to be the same scale length. he just put 28 5/8 neck on a guitar that had a 25.5 scale neck. does that not mess with the intonation.
Tuning. Standard is considered to be tuned to E, Baritone is tuned to B. Similar to 7 string without treble string. Real Baritones have usually neck bit longer for better tension, so no need of ropes. Wiki would tell you.
I bet when drilling the holes for the tuners it is nice to have the counter balance of the body.
Nope. The neck just bolts on, like in this video. Where you run in to issues is trying to retrofit some odd neck on to a random body. If you go to Warmoths site, they have a fairly good explanation on how their conversion necks work. They also have a 24-3/4 conversion.
No, you wrote "It will be amazing the neck with more frets than before gives a good intonation."
A baritone neck has the same number of frets as a normal guitar neck, just the spacing is further apart.
thanks for the walk through but why in the hell does warmoth not move the truss rod access to a reasonable place? having to take the guitar apart to access a key component is dumb.
nice vid.. strange looking string trees tho.. at least for me.. ive done this several times and i just havent seen that style is all..
Drills don't always mean power, just speed. He likely isn't incompetent and has his torque set to gentle. Using a drill saves time but doesn't mean there's going to be an excessive amount of torque/pressure used.
I can't fault him there, lots of techs will refer to split coil functionality as a "coil tap" much in the same way a person may refer to an electric screwdriver as a power drill. Reason being is that, in both cases, it uses less syllables to communicate and is generally understood regardless of whether or not it's "correct".
Here I have to say that Warmoth conversion necks have the same distance from nut to 12th fret than 12th fret to where the bridge should be on a 25.5" guitar.
Man, I play my gibson sg in A standard and the only changes I ever did were a simple string change and a little setup on the pu's..
How do you convert this measurments in Metric ???? This is a nightmare !
Baritone necks are longer, but you can just simply put heavier gauge strings on a standard and have a baritone sound. I just wouldn't recommend ever trying to tune the strings up. 10's = standard E, 11's = Eb, 12's = D, 13's = C#, 14's = C, 15's = B, 16's = Bb, 17's = A...
I thought a string tree was to stop the strings from popping out. I left mine off before after doing work and I never got buzzingf, I just had the strings popping out of their slots when I bent a string. Fender style necks are obviously straight unlike Gibsons with their angled headstocks.
I did this myself, and enlarging the string hole on the 6th string machine head is more necessary than this guy makes out. I have trouble even getting a 60 through mine (Sperzels).
So putting on a baratone neck doesn’t screw up innotation?
I'm sorry to ask, but what exactly is a baritone guitar? I ended here because the title of the video intrigued me, but it looks a regular guitar. I suppose baritones are defined by string gauge?
A longer neck (and scale length) provides more tension for heavy gauge strings and lower tunings. Tuning down to B on a 25.5" (standard) scale guitar will leave you with loose strings and muddy tone.
i guess it is measured correctly by Warmoth here, so the neck pocket holes are correct when scale of tele is used.
Okay.... ya swap the neck, but didn't relocate the bridge,, How so? original neck is 25.5" scale with 22 frets.. slapping on baritone neck with 27" to 28" ish scale with 22 frets.. the bridge gotta move somewhat...
You'd want a longer scale length for larger strings. It has something to do with how much of the string can achieve full oscillation. Bass guitars average anywhere from 30" to 36" to compensate for this. I'm not sure the exact science but general rule of thumb; larger the strings, longer the scale length.
as long as the 12th fret is half way between the nut and the bridge it will intonate just fine. i imagine these drop-in necks are made such that moving the bridge isn't needed
I think he's just following Fender protocol. Check out their strat or tele setup guides in which they use 4/64, 6/64, etc when specifying string & pickup heights.
Anyway I can get a 24 fret Tele neck that isn't Baritone?
ebay?
Does throwing acoustic strings on your les paul count?
The black string tree next to the chrome tuners is annoying me.
LMAO nice, I have that same model of screwdriver..... they're great
So what happens if the new neck doesn't fit perfectly into the body?
in regards to the neck length... physical length is not really important, as long as the scale length is the same... a 25.5 scale length on a longer neck it the same as on a short neck... it is the distance from the nut to the 12 fret... if you didn't notice, on the Bari neck, the frets were just a hair further apart than on a normal guitar, which made up the difference in the scale...
Robert Brown also distance from nut to saddle is very important. most important, well, it's up there anyways
No it doesnt ruin it at all. As long as the necks fret spacing is correct meaning nut to the 12th is the same as the 12th to the saddles intonation can be set perfectly. you can use many different scale length necks and have no issues as long as the frets are spaced accordingly.
Suggestion: if your going to make a long video try changing up the music more frequently.
Really nice video, but also annoying background music.
gitaarfreakoriginal too you?
soft core porn music
They sell drill stops at Harbor Freight. Use 'em.
Did he use a baritone conversion neck?
he must have since he didnt adjust the bridge position
Why I work on my own stuff. Try a screw driver instead of that cordless thing, and how about a center punch before drilling.
Yup! IIRC...
Add to that equation a longer overall neck length.
whats the difference in barition and standard?
+1 for a good tutorial. -3 for weird whinymoan trance music unnecessarily playing in background.
whinymoan - yes.
Sooo... What happens if I have a set-thru neck that can't be removed?
Doing it after makes it easier to stabilize the neck.
What kinda a-hole uses a power drill to screw neck bolts all the way in?! Always do the last few turns by hand!!!
They're tuned lower, but usually not as low as a bass.
I think the most common tuning is perfect fifth lower (A D G C E A).
How much is a baritone neck on average