Can a Normal Guitar be a Baritone Guitar?
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To be totally honest, you guys were far overthinking it when it comes to getting a good string gauge.
Remember that when you get to B standard, you are now down a perfect 4th. In other words, the strings will start to repeat themselves from E standard. (BEADF# B; EADGBE) This means, if you want a good, comfortable string gauge for most of your strings, just use the same strings you did before for that pitch. For example, if you like 10s, just use 10s and throw out the high E string. X-46-36-26-17-13. (Maybe a gauge or two up for the "G" to compensate for the interval change.) You've now found 5/6 comfortable strings. Now to find the last, I would start with 56 and go up as needed. (a 56 + the previously mentioned strings is quite literally just a typical set of 13s.) Coincidentally, you guys were right on the money for what you wanted though. A 60 gauge string tuned to B is almost *exactly* the same tension as a 46 gauge string tuned to E.
If you do it this way, your guitars will be almost indiscernible in terms of tension feel.
Intonation and other things you guys mentioned will still take effort, though.
6:56 - The Captain retunes to Drop-Z, begins his new metal career.
Lol 😁
Torche uses a detuned bottom string to a similar end...called their "bomb" tuning. Then their A string is in drop-A and so forth.
20:18 / 22:15 : cool single tap lick.
20:20 / 22:15 : Proud smile.
The captain never ceases to amaze, even himself.
The John Mayer lick
lol thats the "I hope everyone saw that" face
It should be noted if your sharp. You move the saddle away from the neck.. not toward.
follow the needle as fluff put it
You're*
brainstewX genuinely hilarious
@@dantesaliba8533 that's exactly what I was thinking
Choon your guitar. I like lower chooning.
I have a dog named Choon
But don’t scoop yer mids or ya won’t be haired
Mmm choon that butter gud.
I like that choon
I like hevvy choonz.
That little smile after Lee played that Mayer lick. He was like "See what I just did there?" :D
what song is it from? I didn't get the reference (I saw that he looked quite proud, though haha)
@@JamieClark I guess I just feel like
@@JamieClark it is just a john mayer habit, the pre bending tapping slide. not sure what you call it but Mayer does it often in solos. Check vultures and gravity solos from Live in LA
Mayer lick at 6:58
Where tho?
8:31 "If it's sharp then it's too long". When In reality If it's sharp then it's too short, but they both said "if it's sharp then it's too long and has to go the other way". C'mon guy's you are making a living selling guitars and you get thus wrong?
Think "violin" (short sting length/short scale length) = high pitch
"Double bass" (long string length/long scale length) = low pitch.
Having learned that you shall never get it wrong again! -Peter
Yep, that was a bit cringe. It's even very logical: shorter string = go to sharp, longer string = go to flat.
These dudes are hacks. They're boring salesmen with very basic knowledge and inflated egos. Of course you're gonna hear dumb shit like that.
@@tak8481 The captain is nice but dumb as a rock. Well maybe not that dumb.
@@valebliz Not really that logical: elongating the string means pulling harder. When there's more tension it's higher, no? I know that's not correct in this application, but that's one way people could see it.
@@tak8481 And you sound like a lovely person yourself... You're literally judging that based on that one mistake? You're not making yourself look better if you're shitting on others.
That g&l sounds like the kyuss guitar tone
possibly the biggest tone ever
Matt in sleep has that title by miles.
with single coils you get the thickest tone out of low tunings imo
It's cause they tuned to C and used standard guitars. The "floppyish" sound combined with a neck pickup and a fuzz is just beautiful.
Damn Lee is sounding better every video, and that tuning really fits his playing, damn good!!
Yeah I also noticed he's improving a lot. He's doing a great job.
He sounds terrible. You have no ear for music.
@@thegoodguy44 And you have no respect for music.
@@thegoodguy44 you're a shithead
Damn this comment section turned quickly
I did this with my Yamaha Pacifica. Used 13/62 D’Addario strings. Intonation was a small issue on the low B string, I had to cut the spring shorter on the intonation screw for that string. I tuned it B, F#, D, A, E, B. Plays great! I swapped out the cheap single coil pickups for some cheapish lipstick pickups. Love it!
For me rob is king amazing person on electric... and captain too. Love your videos guys
I can't imagine tuning to C and not playing the opening riff from Dragonaut by Sleep.
Sleep slaps hard
Endorsing this post.
Neon
Ride the dragon tward the crimson sky
Always my go to riff for trying anything
Bill Steer of Carcass would say so, he's still playing a Gibson melody maker in B standard
I used to tune my Flying V down to baritone tunings from time to time. It has a tune -a-matic bridge on it and it worked fine. They picked the most difficult type of guitar to do this on.
@Bryan De La Pera That isn't true. The modern ones have a pretty decent range.
Out of all the freeform jams on Anderton's, Chappers & The Captain do the best. Just a couple of old friends hanging out, rocking out, together. So relatable. And so good. Cheers, mates.
I got that PRS almost 2 years ago and have recently swapped pickups for SD Blackouts and I must say, it sounds killer! And when it comes to tuning "normal" guitar to baritone tunings, I equipped my LP with 12-72 gauge strings and it does its job, feels comfortable to play and isn't floppy.
I used 62-12 on my Soloist. Didn't have to touch my intonation at all. I've got it in standard tuning and it plays really well. All I had to do was file the nut down a little and it sounds amazing.
Me as well - I set my Gibsons and PRS singlecuts in drop C and B with heavier strings and slightly widening the nut slots intonation was fine and the bridge in general had no issues.
I use Ernie Ball mammoth slinky on a Les Paul without any issue. It feels like a set of 10s in standard.
Hell, I can drop A with said set without much issues.
You guys seem to miss a few important notes.
First, Type O Negative used B tuning, on standard 6 string guitars(and 4 string bass). They didn't use necessarily uncommonly large strings.
They aren't the only ones to have done so, but they are probably the most notable.
I myself have used B tuning on normal 6 strings since I was 12, and I'm 39 now. It wasn't comm9n enough yet, and we lacked internet, so using heavier string gauges didn't occur to me. I ended up just using my normal 9s through 42s.
What I've learned is this.
You do not necessarily need heavier gauge strings. Some guitars are more forgiving for this, and interestingly, it's various strats, and strat knock offs, that seem to like low tuning with lighter strings best.
Sometimes a guitar might not like the 9s, but never had an issue with 10s.
That flabby feel is something you get used to, and it becomes second nature to have a lighter touch for the tuning with said strings. The feel even becomes desirable, and part of the sound(sounds bad ass with distortion. For proof, check out any Type O song). Fast playing, and flourishes such as trills, hammer/pulls, slides, pick scrapes, vibrato, ect all become easier with a light touch. Tapping not as much, as sting tension helps with the repeated hammer/pulls.
As an adult, I've used baritones, and 7 strings - and I'll always love a detuned 6 with light gauge. It becomes a different animal, with it's own characteristics, which just adds another tool or varriation to your arsenal. So have a baritone, and a 7 - but don't rule out a detuned 6. Just treat it as another option. Most people knocking it, or not seeing it's value, haven't actually spent time with it. You have to grow accustomed to it before you can really judge if it's for you, or not.
I agree, well put. Also this applies to acoustic because I have played around with B standrad on a normal scale acoustic (trying to make my own baritone guitar) with .11 - .52 and also even starting from .10 and like you said its way different than thicker strings and longer scale - the strings are a bit looser and the feel is actually great imo and allows for easier and cooler techinques like bends and slides especially plus they vibrate more. Just like you said its the same on electric. Even more, it gives a whole new sound to the B tuning because the same tune with thicker strings and longer scale is different, more muffled and bassy. And about tapping - yes tension helps with it but imo thinner strings do too - they kinda compensate somewhat for not having as much tension at least in my exp. In addition I want to mention that swedish melodic death metal band Amon Amarth who also play in B to B baritone tune use standard gibson explorers with normal scale length of 25.5 and they use daddario baritone strings. So they too play on looser strings but it works great, helps playability especially bends, vibrato, fast playing and their songs are great :) All in all I found your comment to be spot on with my experience. Gotta love downtuning 6 strings ment for standard to D, C, B or Drop C, Drop B, Drop A even acoustics, its just something else :D
@@KristianSimov in my experience, anything you can do on electric, you can do on acoustic(I mean, in regards to the topic at hand). My compositions often have clean parts, and I almost always use acoustics for clean parts.
Same, I use regular thin strings I B standard and it sounds awesome
Guitar players just need to get their guitar the way they like it. Doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. :-)
@@starflyer4660 Agreed. This whole thread is highly subjective. Having done the standard scale length baritone conversion on several guitars, I can say that it will take some trial and error to get the sound you are going for. Then there is a high probability of needing to do some setup work. It is hard to believe that a completely different string guage would have optimal action and intonation without a setup. The conversion can definitely be done on any guitar if you have the patience. I've found the low E usually requires some nut work. I don't get the nut filed right away though. I wait for several months to make sure I don't change my mind =)
7:00 So Lee just invented Fjent, which is short for Flop Djent and sounds just like… well, you heard it ;-)
Lol that word reminds me of "fiente" which is the French word for bird crap
Oh no, someone had to explain it ;-(
sounded just like Djent to me lol
Chords are now renamed to Fjords
@@ZeugmaP you guys talk about bird crap a lot?
Baritone falls between and overlaps both bass and tenor frequencies. String gauge solution.,. Take a bead off of a bass string, Slide the low-e guitar string through the bead before installing in the Bridge. Essentially creating a stop bead for the string (shim)- Peace
You can totally tune a guitar with a standard scale length down to B standard. A lot of metal bands tune down that low or lower with only standard scale lengths, although you'd be better off going for a 26-26.5 inch scale guitar. Most baritone guitars the days actually seem to be tuned down by an entire octave, and often have a scale length more comparable to that of a short scale bass. A lot of people will also simply use a 7 string to reach that low B, which also tend to have longer scale lengths.
Baritone tuned standard scale guitars are common in death metal. Can confirm.
Didnt ariel say he uses like 17's or 19 gauge strings? Well, now you know why Ariel and Joey play custom built guitars 😆
Lee ur playing is really improving!! Sounds great!! Also great vid as usual!!!
I use not even slinky on my Les Paul dropped to C standard and it sounds killer!!
Love how Capt plays the funny new tap thingy and looks at everybody in the room like "Who's the cool cat now?".
Wow. Nut, string, tuning and intonation issues aside, this was another great demonstration of how well you guys play together. Really liking Lee's lead playing on this one.
@20:19 Almost! Great video and The captains has improved a lot lately
Gawd! Rob and Lee always killing it on the jams! Inspires me to play so much! Just 2 friends Jammin!
I play stoner/doom in c standard with 10s on a strat. Sounds and feelings amazing when set up properly. Flappy is good
There's an easier solution, one that doesn't compromise string tension: use a 7-string set without the high E. You'll get B to B tuning with the right tension, every string will be tuned to the note it was built for and you won't have that nut problem with the thicker string if you use, for instance, a 009 7-string set: it will become 011-054, where the low B string is thinner than the low E string you were using, but it won't become floppy because you're not downtuning it. The only change you'd have to do compared with a 7-string guitar is to tune the 3rd string to F# instead of G (and probably get used to have a wound 3rd string). I don't know why you guys didn't think about this in the first place. : )
I have done this to a kit guitar I built some time ago (was a cheap Harley Benton Strat Kit). It worked like a charm (just had to go back to the original tuners for the low B string because it was too thick for the new Tuners (Kluson locking tuners have holes that are too small)
yea it works on my guitar too (Radix Zetta Explorer). been using it for 3 months.
yeah but the point of the video was can a NORMAL guitar play baritone tuning, not a 7-string which obviously can.
@@DanteLikesRock that's not what he's saying, he means buy a 7 string set of strings but don't use the highest string. put those strings on your normal guitar
@@danieltober8574 ah, I see now
You guys sound super great as usual!!!
100% Allen. That’s why I came to the comments. Lee has come a long way with his solo playing. So fun to watch him in each video get better. Really fun stuff
RC nearly let slip the new Rabea Baritone in the more affordable range....... that's my guess 😉
I think it’s still gonna be pro range though
I'm really hoping we can pick one up for around $1000. It will absolutely be my next purchase!
@@princeoinkins8408 I dunno man. There's been a fair few hints to it being in the "budget/cheaper" range. If they're able to get it to a good price, I can see it being a MASSSSSSIVE seller.
@@jadenrrose the current one is not much more than that I think, maybe 1200 or 1300 in €. I think the new budget one will be somewhere between 600-800
Excellent and fun video guys!! I have a Squier and decided to turn it into a baritone guitar to record my new album, initially i had many issues with intonation and stability in general so i decided to put on Ernie Ball 13-70 for baritone and they work like a charm. Im in drop A, but the thing i had to do is to move the bridge (not just the saddles but the entire piece) back a bit to compensate the intonation. Other than that, no other modifications were required. Thanks for the video and info!!
What model of Squire did you modify?
@@risteardohaodha23 Its A Squire Strat crafted in China, not much more info than that. Cheers!!
that's pretty clever! how much did you end up moving the bridge (in millimeters)?? im thinking of just modifying the saddles to make them shorter.
@@ej1_drew hey! i would say about 5-6 millimeters from the center of the old screw holes to the center of the new ones. Modifying saddles is also an good and smart option. Cheers!
Greetings from latinamerica! I can said with all my little experience in this world, Anderton's is one of the best RUclips channels. Also, incredible "Hola" from the Captain haha
Lee doing that John Mayer lick at 20:21 put a huge smile on my face!
That g&l nut looks like it's been cut with a spoon.
My opinion of G&L has been soured even though a lot of people seem to rave about them. I bought a US made Legacy at the end of last year, brand new from a very reputable store. The QC was astonishingly horrible. It was a piece of shit to be honest and I sent it back.
@@avivkestin7103 tell that to my japanese ibanez. Ive played usa jacksons that were meh
@@avivkestin7103 well, many epis feel better than many gibsons...
@@avivkestin7103 - In the end it's all a matter of choice. I'm a convert. Give me an Epiphone any day of the week.
@@avivkestin7103 Ha Ha, Good one..........I think the master builders of Europe with 400 + years experience might have somthing to say about that!
To anyone trying to change tuning but keep the same string tension that they're used to, Winspear Instrumental has a fantastic calculator on their site. Also, Rob's absolutely correct. A .046 will have the same tension in E as a .061 in B
Holy hell, Lee’s bend at 20:20! Pure bliss!
I have an old Burns Marquee I did this to. It has the biggest neck I've ever held on it and it worked a treat. Growly, dark and mean. It's great.
I myself have successfully converted a 25.5" scale length Telecaster to a baritone by way of a really simple solution: using medium-light acoustic guitar strings. The tension in acoustic strings is significantly higher, and they can handle being detuned to B-b without issue (at least for me). I can even drop the top B to A without consequence. If you ever make a follow-up video, try this method.
Will the cut G&L be sold as B-stock (as in Baritone)?
I use a schecter ultra vi for this purpose, it has the scale length for the heavier gauge (and comes with way heavier stock actually) but has the pickups and other features to get great tones in this range. It was designed to be a bass vi but it's really the ultimate baritone.
I added extra springs in the back of my squier strat, set it up with 11-54s, tuned to C# standard, and it sounds wicked
I had the same stringing issue with a genuine Eastwood Sidejack Baritone. String was too thick to go through the bridge. You'd think they thought that through, no?
Thank you so much for this
I really wanted to know the science
You didn’t get it here!
This is one of my favorites Anderton's videos.
This was THE VIDEO I've been waiting for. Have an old faithful 6 string which isn't getting an awful lot of love of late.. this could be just the thing!
So funny!
Hats off to Captain for creating the next level djent!!!!
Amon Amarth uses gibson explorer in b standard tuning
Yeah this vid is a fun little experiment but hardly takes the question seriously. Using a different guitar you can easily drop to A or B without extreme gauge or too much string floppiness.
And we have always used B tuning in Grave since 1988.
Never had a problem ever with regular 6 stringed guitars.
I see a common tuning with bands like Mastodon as D with a dropped low A. Like having a 7 string without the #5 string.
@@MikaLagreen Grave rules man! You guys are great!
@@JasonGaskin thank you :)
I've done it to my strat with vintage bridge and it works, no issues with saddles and truss rod adjustments. strings used ernie ball 12-56.
Cool sounds, guys. Pretty dope.
Awesome, only just spotted the Captain's mug on his mug with Mayer!
The Captains mug is an clear representation of true love
Nice Vid! Informative and fun. Lee's sense of exploration being equally balanced by Rob's expertise... Cheers!
I don't own a baritone, but I use D'addario's 13-62 set for tuning to B on a standard guitar. It's basically a 10 gauge 7-string set minus the 10 gauge high E, so it really feels correct compared to a set of 10s in standard E. The real issue though is that, as mentioned in the video, some guitars (thankfully not all) won't intonate properly. Caparison used to make "HGS" versions of their guitars with the bridge located a few mm further back to solve that problem.
Whom ever did the editing ..and took ALL the acid... well done🌟. This twas awesome xx 🤘🏼
2:54 ^^
Where is Dr. Drew Bypass when you need a lecture on String Theory?
The editing is great :)
You guys should DO A VIDEO about Mono vs Stereo amps and effects. Use Strymon pedals like the timeline, Bigsky, and Mobius and tell us all about the benefits and drawbacks of Stereo!
My personal setup is:
Drop C - 12, 16, 20, 34, 46, 60 (25.5 inch)
Drop A - 13, 17, 30, 42, 54, 74 (both 25.5 and 24.75 scale)
All NYXL (they feel less stiff for some reason) and at this gauge I can hit em pretty hard and they don't detune. Good for the chugs.
Most 7 string guitars have 25,5 inch scale, so just use the first 6 strings of a 7 string set and you'll get the right tension and feel, its not rocket science.
You''d think the bloke on the left who owns his own guitar company would know this. You can get drop G, maybe even F# to work, then you start needing 26.5" - 27".
A lot of seven string guitars are actually 26,5 scale. Some even 27. Eight string are usually 27 or 28. This is just my experience.
Just out of interest I tried this on the Thomann website (since they have a fairly large selection and great tools for filtering the results), and I got 88 7-string guitars with a scale length of 647mm or 648mm, vs. 168 7-string guitars overall. So slightly over half, meaning that "most" 7-string guitars sold on Thomann are in deed 25.5" scale. =)
@@DapperHesher The bloke on the right owns half of that same company too. =)
This response should be pinned.
its nice seeing rob laughing relaxed and happy,
I use a seven string tuned A to A with an additional high D. It took a little getting used to the extra high string but it makes for some interesting chord shapes and I really like it for scales.
As in A-D-G-C-E-A-D? What sort of music are you playing? And what gauge strings?
@@Bob-vp3dc Yup, that's how it's tuned. It's a 24 fret Ibanez and I play just about anything. It does pretty good Djent. Super Slinky 10's (7string) off the shelf. I recently made a baritone CBG tuned A-E-A with a 26½" scale length.
Both Carcass and Type O Negative tuned to B with Ernie Ball Not Even Slinky 12-56 on regular 6 string guitars and it worked just fine.
Plus I’m willing to bet Andertons sells plenty of 7 string guitars that are 25.5” so the scale length must be fine for B.
It pretty much is, I haven't been lower than B on a 25.5" but it sounds great. I have a 27" and 28" respectively and they will take you as low as G without problems.. but I had to go to .68-.14 gauge minimum as stuff got flubby!
Type o negative used a baritone guitar
actually, Kenny Hickey (Type-Os guitarist) used a 26.5" scale length baritone guitar.
@@DanteLikesRock his signature Schecter may be 26.5 but he didn’t have that when he recorded type o negative albums.
Metal bands have been tuning standard scale instruments to B and lower for decades. Cathedral, Nile, Carcass... all play Gibson scales in B. I tune my even shorter 24 5/8" scale mockingbird to B and A with 13-59 strings, it can be done and fully intonated right if you have a good bridge with enough range on the saddles.
Now my question is did you have to file your nut to accommodate those bigger strings? And also did you change the truss rod? What if you want to go back to smaller strings and the nut is too wide for the new strings
@@RobDogzInc Replace the nut or keep it as a baritone.
I am tuning Chapman Baritone Ml3(Red Beauty) to drop F and it's doom machine, stone rock, sludge killer. Lots of fun with this baritone, diffrent tunings. When i start playing guitar like about 25 years ago did the same with normal guitar and bass strings😂. Now i waiting for reverend baritone midnight Black it has shorter scale than Chapman anyway buy and try....
I have an ML3-RC tuned baritone with 10-56 strings, I like a relly soft touch and that guitar handles it amazingly well.
I think I watch these videos for the editing as much as anything these days.
a couple of players who use Baritone tunings on standard scale guitars: Jim Root & Jason Hook
Mick thomson, bring me the horizon and bullet for my valentine as well
Bill Steer from Carcass as well.
Love the Rob and Pete meeting John Mayer mug!
I often tune my (standard scale) acoustic to Baritone tuning, with a pair of 12 gauge strings, sounds pretty ok, you can still pull it off. The low E can be a bit wobly, but it's pretty decent
Amon Amarth has been playin in B on Explorer Standards for years
for reals they got me doing it on all mine
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@@BoozyBeggar pursuit of vikings? 😄
@@robinweber6618 Yeah. Funny how distinctive those riffs are.
12-60 on a 27" scale six string for B standard. 10-48 + a 60 for 26.6" scale 7 string for Standard tuning.
A. I love the NYXL 12-60 set!!! B. I've used my electrics (standard scale) in baritone tuning for years with experimenting different heavy sets that give stability. I love my Jazzmaster Baritone for songwriter stuff but I still use my regulars for the heavier project. Although I'm planning on getting a baritone neck from Warmoth in the near future for my LTD
the edits on this video were just hilarious. Bravo to whoever edited this video
The RG970XL needs to be reissued, it's perfection.
8:14 RC says the minimum would be 60 gauge for the low string. While this may well be arguable, both Bill Steer (Carcass) and Rob Barrett (Cannibal Corpse) have used no heavier than 56 for low B and Bb tuning respectively. It's horses for courses and personal preference obviously but seems like an dull statement to me
Gareth Lewis I play in B and use Not Even Slinky’s, the tension is fine and I never have problems with tuning. So I totally agree that it is a dull statement
I did this with one of my guitars and while ago. Worked okay. For the low B I used a 56 too. Not ideal, but that was the only one that worked somewhat
Ive tried B standard on a Les Paul with 11s on it, it worked fairly well to be fair, have to be really careful with bends, but it sounds rad
I knew a guy who played in Drop A# on his ESP M-series guitar with regular 10-gauge strings.
His band was signed to Metal Blade. I still have no idea how he made it work.
Play with gentle touch.
Aggressive strumming doesn't equal heavier tone. As a matter of fact, light strings have better attack over the beefier sound of heavy strings.
20:20 the captain channels his inner Mayer!
and then he looks around the room like "did y'all see that"?!
I use 11-56s on my les Paul Standard in B standard tunnig! I took me a while to make a decent set up... had to invert sadles and make a bon e nut... The strings are kind of floopy but I love it and it sounds fantastic! a 7 string se standard set of strings is 9-52s so 56 is aceptable!
I use the Ernie Ball Mammoth Slinky (12-62) on my Les Paul Guitar in Drop B and it works well! the only thing that might bother some people is the wound G string but that's necessary for tuning this low imo
if it's sharp you move back the bridge away from the neck.... y'all did the opposite
That's what I thought too, they totally had me questioning myself on that one!
Exactly! Flat forwards, sharp backwards.
I cannot believe they did that. Watch Lee turn the screwdriver even, he goes lefty loosey.
That is incorrect... You need to chase the needle so to speak.
If the 12th fret is sharp during intonation, the saddle needs to be moved toward the heel of the guitar, not toward the neck.
Exactly, can't believe they got that wrong in the video!
Very good video, I own one of these PRS SE 277 too, that's a very nice guitar 👍
That editing...fantastic
I’d pay for a Captain EP that had songs in C Standard
Bill Steer of Carcass uses a Les Paul in B standard tuning on stage.
Furthermore a Les paul JR with a Dogear pickup on some smaller occasions.
He's been doing so for over 30 years now. Still sounds great too. It's literally all about preference.
I have a Squier Strat and an old Eko Ranger (acoustic) tuned to baritone and took a completely different and simpler approach.
I wanted to have a similar action and feel to my preferred .009 gauge strings and I having looked up the string tensions (somewhere on a string manufacturer's website) discovered that unsurprisingly, with a correct set of strings and tuned normally, all the strings on a guitar should have approximately the same tension at which it is their thickness which is the factor which changes their pitch. So, I imagined having all the strings moved up one, i.e. putting the B string in the top E position etc.and leaving the bottom E empty and calculating the gauge of string that would become the new bottom B. Hence, all the strings would be roughly the same tension as before, although G would be tuned down to F#. I found a set of strings which roughly fitted my requirements D;Addario XL supposedly optimised for C tuning (12-16-20-34-46-60) and found that very little adjustment was necessary. With the Strat, the truss rod did not need adjusting at all as the overall neck tension had not changed, the nut required only slight adjustment because its previous had used heavier strings on it and only one saddle required intonation due to the string (previously G now D) having gone from unwound to wound. It's not that I'm shy of tweaking, if I'm practicing, I often stop what I'm playing to adjust a strings action or intonation.
So, if you like the way your guitar feels, just work out what gauge bottom B you would need if all the strings are moved up one and it will save a lot of tweaking.
The only issue I have, which I think is down to the scale length, is that the tuning stability may be a little temperature sensitive or it may be that the heavier strings have taken longer to break in.
I use a Gibson scale guitar with 12-54 gauge strings tuned to C standard and sometimes dropped A# and I don't have any problems with it. I know Kirk Windstein used 12-54 with Down as well.
Using lighter gauge stings to get a heavier tone is a trick used by Tony Iommi years ago, he uses 09-42 for C# standard.
I have a question (to but not limited only to) for Chappers and the Captain. Can a baritone guitar be converted into a standard guitar? Like if you replace the neck with a standard scale neck and all.
Depends. I have a long scale guitar where the bridge is moved back a bit for the increased scale length. But I don't know if that's usually the case
I used to play 13-72 strings with my 25.5 LTD at Drop A, occasionally went down to Drop G but at that point it was a little too ridiculous.
B flat is about as low as you wanna go on a 25.5
Been playing some YOB songs ( A standard tuning) and I play a Monson Guitars Nomad (25.5) works like a charm with 14 to 68s
I played drop Bb on a 25.5 Hellraiser. With Floyd. And I couldn't get the adjustment all the way so it was sharp on the 12th fret. But not by a whole whole loy
I use 13 to 64 on my 25,5 in Drop A#
Brilliant! I did this to my strat a long time ago. Sounds kill er in C.
The set you want for B standard on a 25.5" is EXL145. 12's feel great even for slightly higher tuning and the 54 is the perfect balance of attack and tension. Any thicker gets too round but 54 is tight enough that it is what many Ibanez 7 strings come with for the same tuning. We use EXL145's on our 6 string guitars tuned to B standard and Drop A. We previously used Ernie Ball Not Even Slinky but that 24P string is rediculous and after trying Daddario EXL145's there is not going back.
Try Dunlop heavy core strings, higher tension with normal gauges! They made my 7 string (A-D) a dream!
You could probably achieve your goal with them!
How does that even work? Like what are they doing to give them more resistance?
Squidward's Testicles the resonant frequency of a string is inversely proportional to its mass; or to put it your way the resistance to acceleration is mass. But instead of using more of the same string (thicker) they use a denser metal. Makes a lot of sense really. Switching from a 46 to a 64 or whatever will feel really different and affect the way you play. Having the lower tuning with the same gauge is going to be more familiar feeling and probably make life much easier for the player.
Mark Stanbrook what metal are they using?
@@squidwardstesticles5914 They use the same metals (nickel), but they change the ratio of wound wire to core wire. I think, as per the name, the core wire is thicker.
Steve's Musical Gear Reviews ah okay. Wtf was that guy talking about then
7:00 finally Korn went back to their original early sound
IN metal baritone guitars are quite rare for the amount of B and C tunings you see. Amon Amarth and Kyuss come to mind, but there must be many more. Have been doing it forever.
I did this already with my jackson dinky. I used strings designed for c tuning. size 11 or 12. I used the dinky because it was 200 dollars and has a graphite reinforced neck. you do have to raise the action for thicker gauge strings. you can use the string to file the nut, just wrap sand paper around it and file toward the appropriate tuning machine the same path the string would take if it was strung up.