How Airbus Will DOMINATE Boeing in the 2020's
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At the end of 2019, I posted a video detailing all the major aviation milestones we could look forward to in the new year. And as many of you have graciously pointed out, almost none of those predictions came true. Promises of an exciting 2020 were dashed by COVID-19, and the headlines have been dominated by news of industry layoffs, airline bankruptcies, and delays to new aircraft programs.
But at long last, we’ve finally got some good news coming out of Toulouse. Despite the downturn, Airbus recently announced that they’re accelerating development of the a321XLR. And for good reason too: given the unique set of circumstances, it’s value proposition has actually improved over the past few months. And, it might prove to be the only pandemic proof airplane out there. Let me explain....
#Airbus #A320 #A321 #A321XLR 
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@@cobyexplanes I can't wait too Fly on The A321XLR Hopefully on JetBlue on New York to London right after The COVID-19 Passes!!!!!
As long as the airline provide seat back entertainment system, I think it will be fine to fly on the 321XLR on long routes
And a decent legroom
Good luck with that
Agree. It all depends on how the airlines configured their cabins. Cebu Pacific A330neo is much worse than AirAsia A321neo.
I'm not sure because I've flown on a Turkish Airlines 737 900er for close to 8hrs. True for a narrow body it was comfortable, but still far from something like a 777 a350 or 787
Yup The A321XLR's will be good for me too travel on Between New York to London on JetBlue Airways after The COVID-19 Passes.
As long as their planes don’t nosedive into the ground they’ll be good
and at this point, I'll trust the MAX because no plane has been more scrutinized
@@wizardmix By that rule you trust in cancer also.
@@sapede Not the best analogy unless you're referring to the weak links the FAA and Boeing relationship has uncovered? Even then I am exponentially more likely to die of cancer than on a commercial flight, especially a US based one. In over a decade, ONE person, ONE has died on a us-based commercial flight. That is an insanely good statistic. More people get killed by vending machines. The MCAS issue is a completely solvable "curable" problem and while I do wish Boeing would stop trying to fortify their near 70 year old design, I'm postulating a lot has been learned, mended, solved. This is all due to our perception of danger with flying vs. our relatively irrational lack of fear towards what is most likely to kill us: heard disease or cancer.
Cancer while heavily scrutinized, has not been cured. Over 600,000 people die from it in the US every year. Big difference.
@@sapede
Holy shit that was brutal
@@wizardmix the MAX 8 may have been scrutinized, not the MAX 10! This should also come with a bunch of new tricks to further stretch the 737 e.g the main landing gear trick.
I don't like to compare airplanes manufacturers that have different statements of work but the changes required for the XLR look far less riscky based on an already flying A321.
The low clearance architecture of the initial 737 must be a real engineering challenge to stretch as much as airliners designed from the beginning for wider turbofan engines.
Long life to all manufacturers!
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also me: reads title
me after clicking the video: How EasyJet Will DOMINATE Boeing in 2021
Lol. FAAAACCSS
True Facts my guy, Ima take Easy Jet when they get their A321 neo
@@mubassirzaman7202 They already have quite a few of those, but deferred all pending deliveries as they need smaller planes right now...
0:37 Airbus are *XLRating* development lol
Being a wide body doesn't automatically make it a more comfortable journey. It's all about configuration so there is no reason why flying a narrow body should feel any different if it's configured with similar pitch and equipment.
The A220's standard economy seats (19 inches wide) are bigger than any economy seat you can find on any other larger or wide-body aircraft!
Other the 787 and 747, I'll take an A320 family flight over over a wide body any day.
Actually narrowbody feels little. Less open space to stretch and do some walking.
@@-Muhammad_Ali- it's only the fact that it has 1 less isle which has that visual kind of illusion effect of being more cramped. Im sure future single isle aircraft will fix this
@@gasviation9077 i enjoyed flying 7 hour flight on B767. When bored I just get up and do some walking. Two aisles let you do that without disturbing people much. On B757 or other single aisled narrow bodies that's extremely uncomfortable. Getting off you seat is additionally hard since you have to compromise with others walking or somebody getting out from the other side. That's the most scary part when trying to escape out from a burning plane. The safety part.
The only pandemic proof plane. You must have forgotten the A220.
Airbus is really gonna dominate post pandemic air travel with the A220 and A321LR
*not until the 757 plus comes out*
@@arnavsharma9882 I mean Boeing isn't focusing on making a new 757, and the A220 will still dominate during the pandemic because of its efficiency, size, speed and more. There is a possibility that Boeing may make a new plane the size of the 757 like the B797, but it also most likely it will be replacing the 737 family.
@@mubassirzaman7202 Agree, The best to do right now for Boeing actually is to work on sector where Airbus is absent so the mid size long range 757 replacement is good plus long haul high capacity 777 9x
@@massimechoub3343 best way for Boeing to do that would likely be the 787-3 with a new, lighter wing and engines.
When you also look at the strength of the a350 and a220 programs it really seems Boeing has their work cut out for them
777x
777x can't compete with the A220, I'd love to see you land a full laiden 777x on a short runway
@@WezzRail i don't think Boeing is interested in competing with the a220.
The 787 is a great plane that beats the A330neo
Damn that A330neo in the beginning, sexy plane.
i don't mind spending hours on the A320 family, cus it really doesn't matter, you're on the A350XWB, and the airline cramp you into the seat anyways
I've flown Qatar Business Q-Suite on the A350 - the comfort was superb. If an airline wanted, I don't know if they can provide the same comfort on the A320. One thing is sure; no matter the aircraft model, an airline can cramp as many people as they wish into it. We are just cargo for them.
MIO9, I like the A340 series. It kinda reminds me of the 757 but even with 4 engines, it's a very smooth, quiet plane. When Boeing's cult members boo and cry that it's "noisy" I'd like them to explain why I was able to get a decent night sleep on a night flight from Madrid to Chicago 9 years ago. And I don't sleep well on planes. I can't stand the vibration of the engines if I'm on a plane like the 777. I also wish airlines would phase out the ancient 757. Never flew on one that didn't have annoying squeaks and rattles and broken seats.
@@todortodorov940 The issue would be comfort for the masses as business class to economy class configuration ratio can be up to 2:10 for the traditional airlines. Especially with first class becoming almost redundant (singapore on their new A350-900's only have business class and premium economy, although this is because the extreme long haul routes are mostly for business travellers as it is more expensive, so they are more likely to be in a more expensive seat (ticket payed for by company)). With the redundancy of first class, I think we could expect to see even higher number of economy seats in configurations on newly ordered aircraft. So the issue for comfort would be for those economy seats. However, I agree that the A350 and 787 are more comfortable, as the stronger fuselage can withstand higher pressure, so cabin pressure is greater and closer to atmospheric sea level pressure.
@@todortodorov940 Also, with these smaller 'medium haul' aircraft, there are likely to be less lie flat business class seats.
The 737 family and the A320 family both have a 3-3 layout. The 737 is 6” narrower than the A320. The 787 and the A350 both have a 3-3-3 layout. The 787 is 6” narrower than the A350. I know which manufacturer’s aircraft if rather fly long haul in economy on.
I've been on an A320 for 5 1/2 hours and that got pretty uncomfortable by the end . . . But id blame that on the cheap, thin seats the budget airline in question were using . . . The cabin is definitely more spacious than on a 73' and with the right interior fittings I can see it being easily comfortable enough for 8 or 9 hour flights.
Narrow body on 9 hours flight Is not really a big deal as long as the seat are decent...on an average economy class no way !
I agree... I flown around 6 or 5 hours on that A321 , then due to the airline we were needed to stay on the aircraft after the other passengers at our connecting airport for a half an hour then took of again for another 4 hours. Pretty decent even though I have flown on it 9 hours on economy.
Just fly an airline like jet blue
@@rameyheimgartner2334 or turkish airlines...
But im trying to say, flying in just a narrow body is not bad. It is not just tole ratable, but actually good in comfort. Depending on the airline of course, but it can be much much nice and better.
@massi mechoub I agree! I mean what do you actually do more in a flight apart from staying in your seat napping, eating, or watching a movie. I think a good and wide enough seat to so some stretching would be good enough for most people.
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Airbus does have a lead with the a220
A massive one since Boeing is completely absent
And another with the 320/321 XLR, and yet another with the -350.
@@jetaddicted because they have newer planes. Boeing has a lead with 787. Unless they bring newer planes, they are screwed. Scrap 737 and build a new plane ground up. That segment moves a lot of planes. Perhaps even develop one in the regional jet market along with it.
@@massimechoub3343 yeah but boeing seems to be winning generally like the sounds, popularity, etc
@@whyers4782 Yes, now passengers associate death with Boeing products thanks to MAX incidents
Comfort really depends on how you use the plane. The last time I crossed the Atlantic, it was in a Virgin Atlantic widebody in economy (probably an A330 or A350, I don't remember) and it was claustrophobic hell because they crammed so many seats in. I've had better experiences on every 737 and A320 I've ridden.
Keep up the good work coby! These videos are great quality I like the part where you showed the images like flipping I a newspaper. 👍
Glad you like them!
Damn you’re on a roll, all your recent videos have been fire
As always, seat size and legroom are a big part of the equation, 'narrow bodies' with 1 /2 seating so different than 2+2 in acceptability
Nice video as always!
The 737 replacement needs to have variants suitable for the middle of the market segment. That's the only way this middle of the market riddle can be solved
And boeing also needs a competitor against the A220
@@chingweixion621 too bad they terminated their deal with Embraer. They could have had an A220 competitor
@@theskyline1425 not entirely. The E195-E2 is only competing against the A220-100. The A220 300 is still way more efficient than the B737max7 or the A319neo.
@@chingweixion621 the only Issue is that both the 737-700 and the A319 never sold that well. So will the the Max 7 and A319 Neo
True
Having flown on the 757 for many rather long distance routes (I live in Iceland) I can well imagine flying up to 8 hours on the A320 since it’s by far much better and more comfortable plain then 757. I have not flown on the new 737 but since Icelandair has started using them I probably will, unless I have other choicecs reaching my destinations (I ´m avoiding as much as possible Icelandair due to their disgusting treatment of staff, especially the cabin crew, during the C19 crisis, and disgusting “union busting” policy of the company, which the Icelandic union of airline pilots became active in as well).
* Disgusting
@@tramlink8544 thank you
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I think the narrow body airbus family has more room for comfort than the B757 and B737 for short and long haul flights
I think when Bombardier was developing the C series that became the A220, many thought they were idiots
That exactly what happened, Airbus used the Uno Reverse card
Well, they are kind of idiots at a macro-level but at an engineering level they crushed it. Too bad it broke them financially. Bombardier just can't get it's s h i t together in any manufacturing scale.
@@jonathanchester5916 True, but they always make super nice decent regional planes.. and trains, and other stuff.
@@mubassirzaman7202 Not any more they sold the CRJ and Dash-8 lines. Yes, they still have some good trains, I'll give them that!
@@jonathanchester5916 Oh.. I knew about the de havilian but the crj to Japan? That a bit... wierd.
Indeed. Airbus is well positioned to dominate the narrow body and mid-sized market with the A220/A320neo and A321XLR. Recent reports indicate that airbus holds 61% of the narrow body backlogs compared to the 39% by boeing and this gap will likely widens as boeing leaning airlines like United has also placed orders for the A321XLR to replace their B757. Airlines like Icelandic Air and KLM are seriously considering the A321XLR as the boeing's NMA is no where in sight.
This is why they are considering a new single aisle (not the NMA) as if the 737 Max makes no improvement to market share after re entering service it sounds like on paper they’ll ditch
And since they will have A321XLR in fleet it will be cheaper for those previously Boeing airlines to potentially transition to Airbus
@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 yes but one single airframe can only target that much of the market assuming the NSA is centered around the size that specifically targets the A321XLR, the B797-6 would be more efficient and capable than the A321XLR. It's larger sibling the B797-7 could be a simple stretch boasting better economics but shorter range. A smaller derivative, B797-5 would naturally be a simple shrink and thus be less economical that the max8.
There is just no one size fits all solution and there is only that much that you could do with one single airframe family.
I think you're right, Coby. Boeing have been beset by problems, while Airbus have continued to focus on market share and this is another demonstration of that. From a comfort perspective, whether you're sitting in a 3-3 configuration or 3-3-3 or 3-4-3 (or whatever twin aisle layout you come up with), it's not really going to make that much difference. Business and first class is where the narrow bodies will struggle with their product offerings. Thanks for the video.
I would not like to fly in a narrow body plane for more than 5 hours. But I live in Frankfurt, which is a major hub, so we still have many wide-bodies here.
Sweet clip of the Thomson and jet2 B757s together!
Seems like the A321XLR will changed the way we fly forever.
We will soon be flying narrowbodies across pacific. Mark my words
Yeah the a380 and 787 were supposed to do that, I'll believe it when I see it.
Thank you for your videos!
My pleasure!
Funny, I just finished listening to Bussienss Wars Boeing vs Airbus and doing some extra research about current Corona times, and this video pops up, great timing :).
Hope it was informative!
I'll spend time in a narrow body if I can just travel again :)
Yes same
I love to listen to your videos while doing my H.W
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I'm not sure because I've flown on a Turkish Airlines 737 900er for close to 8hrs. True for a narrow body it was comfortable, but still far from something like a 777 a350 or 787
737 is narrower than A32X. In fact it's easier to find a 18" wide economy seats on A320 than on 10-abreast 777 or 9-abreast 787.
Thank you for your videos.
@cobyexplanes I really like that you take different views of these topics from the rest of the RUclipsrs. I was wondering if you would do videos on what might happen with the fleets in the numerous graveyards that don’t seem to be shrinking. What jets might be permanently grounded? What jets might be repurposed for non-commercial or non-passenger use, & what organizations might snap these up that have older or no planes? Also, what could be done cost effectively to resurrect some of the less economical planes for commercial passenger use that could work for other uses or owners? For instance, does fuel efficiency matter as much for a corporate or team franchise plane flying less frequently than commercial?
Hey Coby! Cool video
Hello, thanks!
Great video
Great videos Coby. And, go Blue Devils.
No problem at all! I still remember long range flights on IL-62 and the western older generation did the same on Boeing 707, DC-8 or VC10. The main thing is that such an airliner must be equipped with adequate seats (not like Lufthansa A320/321)
Wow, the VC-10! Flew in one as a kid from Los Angeles to Sydney on B.O.A.C. The flights both ways were not the most fun memory of my misspent youth. 🙂
Keep in mind that at the beginning of the jet age, 707s and DC-8s were narrow bodies and they were used on long haul flights.
In fact, bot the 737 and 757 have the same fuselage diameter as a 737. A320s are about a metre wider
Airlines have total discretion on how comfortable they make the A320/321. It already has wider seats than the 737 (because its wider) and legroom is determined by how many seats the airline want to cram in. Or not.
1h in an Ryanair 737 is already too much
The easyJet 320neos are much better
Air Baltic A220's are fantastic
I could fly long distance in a Lufthansa or Iberia 321neo no Problem but not with the low cost Carrier here in Europe.
@Distant Travels narrower fuselage, for one...
@Distant Travels 737 has smaller fuselage diameter width than A320. It’s a vintage product from late 60s.
@@Chris58851 Yea. I did a long 4 hours flight on a Biman 737, and a United Airline B737- 900 and it aint nice, neither is the 757 on an Atlantic flight but it still comfortable and I like the design. Though I did flown a A321-200 for 5 hours, then stayed on the aircraft at our connecting airport then flown 3 hours and arrived at our destination, and the flight was pretty comfortable and clean.
Though Im not gonna say it going to be comfortable for everyone, because it depends on the Airline your taking, but it kind of common sense. The 737 max 10 is still less wider then the A321 and A320. So the cabin is more tight there fore it more uncomfortable then the A321 and A320 ( unless if you flying on a airline that is decent with the 737s like Turkish Airlines) .
Only thinking about flying Ryanair is already a nightmare!
I've flown the Easy jet NEO from London to Egypt about 6 hours no big deal.
You've given a good explanation of that market segment, but what about the larger planes? There's nothing like the 777 and there's no clear winner between the 787 and A350.
787 competes more with the A330neo than with the A350 because the A350 is simply bigger than the 787 tough there is a little overlap. 777X delays are great for Airbus as that could very well translate into more A350 orders. 787 is winning over A330neo but A350 is winning against 777x because it's actually being delivered and it has hundreds of outstanding orders. I guess time will tell which becomes more common, the A350 or the B777x. Right now Airbus still has orders for 440 A350s, while Boeing has 334 B777x pre-orders, so any customer who decides to order the A350 now probably won't have to wait longer than if they ordered the B777x as Boeing still has to start and ramp up production.
The real issue isn't narrow body vs wide body, it's perceived personal space. 9 hours in a middle seat is hell on earth, no other way to sugar coat it. If this narrow body jet had a wider aisle than standard and wider seats and increased seat pitch, then yep, it's possible. Without those acomodations, its akin to being placed into a sardine can.
Stay Safe guys!
But I like to lick doorknobs :(
Don't worry, Biden won the election so covid is over.
Great video! Is the narrow body more prone to turbulence?
I think that intuitively they would be since their wings are generally more rigid, but I think it depends
I've flown the A321 neo from the TAP on a long route and it wasn't that bad with the infotainment system on board :)
Thanks! Great explanation! I haven't flown in many years, perhaps even a decade. My favorite flight of all time was aboard a 757! Plane was London to New York. Flight time was around 8 hours, I was dreading it....However, the plane was only 20% full! I had five seats to myself, and a very friendly flight attendant who was super board. I slept stretched out for 5+ hours, played cards with the flight attendant, while she pointed out the landscape we were flying over as we crossed over Nova Scotia. Next best flight....fighting with someone over a good seat on Southwest. Time marches on.....Thanks!
I can relate. My favorite was Tokyo to LA on a 747 in the early 90s. A group of 10 us were moving back from Japan, and had the entire top floor to ourselves, w our own flight attendant. It was business class, and we were friends w the flight attendant by the end of the flight. So stress-free.
@@joeprizzi407 Haha. Sounds great! I never knew how bad it would get.
I've had a great experience with the a321neo so far. Very quiet. I wouldn't mind getting on an 8 hour flight on one. Flight Crew rest area is concern though, isn't it?
Nice,one of my comments apeared at the start 😎🤙🏻
nice video
I mean Boeing kinda deserve that, Airbus has been innovating and pioneering and Boeing was just too comfortable. Good for Airbus!
Interesting, what did Airbus pioneer?
@@ACPilot i love both but there isn't much other than new Narrow bodys so no invarion
the korean air B777 @4.46 seems never ending in length
This is a catching post title.... Great information as usual. Anyway, neither manufacturer will dominate the other. It's simply too tight. We shall see; the future is simply up in the air. haha
Having a seat in the very middle of the 777 with a 3-4-3 configuration is probably the worst. I had 11,5 such hours from San Francisco to Stockholm and 12 hours from Amsterdam to Sao Paolo. My guess is 9 hours on the XLR would feel like a breeze compared to that. Sao Paolo to Paris on AF brand new A350-941 "Cayenne" in April of this year was a really smooth ride.
we can add the ever improving light solar film to the wings to extend range by providing power directly to electric driven devices
The A320 at 4:09 : nyooooooooom
The fuselage on the A321 is a bigger diameter than the 757 & the seats are wider.
I flew on 757s between Hamburg and Newark many many times on Continental and United, up to 9 hours in the 757, absolutely no deal!
The XLR only covers the low end of the middle of the market, the real MOM IMO is a 767 capacity/ranged aircraft. Also there are two problems with the XLR: when it STARTS to get delivered the passenger numbers will already be on its way up or even recovered. So I think at the end it will be what it was supposed to: an aircraft to serve new long, thin routes and maybe some higher demand routes with higher frequency.
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The longest flight l have been on years ago Atlanta to Honolulu. 9.5 Hrs.Flight was fun since l was with a few of my friends.We had a great time in Honolulu. Aircraft flown was Delta L-1011 Tri-Star. Awesome Aircraft.
If I were Boeing I'd be working on a 797 clean sheet that can straddle 737 replacement and Middle-of-Market. Three variants: 797-8 replaces 737-800/737 MAX 8, 797-9 replaces 737-900/737 MAX 9/757-200 and 797-10 replaces the 737 MAX 10/757-300. One R&D job, one pilot type rating and one aircraft family type for both short-haul and medium-haul routes. If single-aisle, bonus points if the 797 can have (a) a fuselage 9-12 inches wider than a 737 or 757, so the 6-abreast Y seats can be 18.5-19" wide, and (b) default door for boarding/deplaning is designed to be L2, to better manage gate times with a single aisle aircraft.
It's refreshing to see an American speak facts and make educated and informed opinions based on reality - not national pride. I really enjoy your segments as they're well presented, sufficiently detailed yet delivered in a way that suffices both the knowledgable aviation audience as well as the average Joe that knows not much more than how to book a ticket online. Well done, Coby. Keep it up mate.
Agree! I would be ok flying on a airbus for 8-11 hours. They are more spacious even than the boeing wide bodies.
I have over 30,000 hours and over 50 years flying both Boeing and Airbus. I enjoy being able to fly the plane. Boeing is designed for pilots that still appreciate skill. Airbus is designed for pilots that are content to let the software designers decide how the plane should be flown.
8 hours on an A320 are better than they sound. I flew from Buenos Aires to Quito (7 hours) on an A320 and enjoyed the experience a lot. You are more likely to have a seat at or close to the aisle or window, there are less people in your immediate vicinity making it quieter.
If you want fast flight, grab a Concorde. If you want to fly big, grab an A380. If you want to travel comfortably just grab an XLR. It'll be okay. It'll be better and safer to fly than the 737 at least.
@coby I'd like to hear ur honest opinion on of you feel Boeing should just go ahead and make the MAX 10 a true XLR rival while still developing the NMA? ... I'd love to hear your answer or anybody for that matter.
Doing say Melbourne to Singapore in a narrow body I think would be difficult. For one thing, if you've got someone blocking the aisle when you're going for a comfort stop, there's no "other aisle". The number of toilets in a narrow body must surely be less?
I've already taken an 8 hour flight on a narrow-body jet. I was shocked at first because I wasn't aware that was even possible Hahaha. I must say seats on Airbus planes tend to be quite comfortable so I do not mind it at all. The moment your flight is longer than 8 hours, I do prefer a wide-body jet.
The seats are chosen by the airline not the aircraft manufacturer.
I don’t think it would be uncomfortable as long as airlines leave enough leg room on them
sigh... I was so excited when I booked the Virgin Atlantic 747. Only to get cancelled and replaced with a 787 (instantly lost interest).
I don't blame you. The 787 is the only truely BAD plane Boeing has ever built.
Narrow body equipment is claustrophobic on longer routes. Flew a United ETOPS 737 to Hawaii from SF and I thought I was finished
The one problem the XLR might bring that I haven’t seen anyone bring it up is Delays at airport, fewer slots openings and crowded airspace...but overall I like the XLR and can’t wait to see it in reality
The XLR is designed to serve secondary markets and not replace many bigger aircraft. The sky won’t be crowded more than it is today (or better pre Covid)
I too find the A321 to be comfortable. I specifically fly American Airlines on certain routes because of this. That and Deltas 767.
a good seat pitch (i.e upwards of 31”) and a width of 18” would do anybody good on the A321XLR 👍
That's the point! More than cabin size
For me the strongest stressor for long haul flights is the noise. I can live with somewhat small space for the couple of hours but I can't sleep if it's too loud.
So I guess, yeah I would fly in a narrow body but the A321 cabin isn't very quiet. Haven't flown the neo yet though.
It's pretty quiet for a narrow body
At least for CFM Lead powered A320NEO it's quite decent. PW1000Gs are not bad either, not tried on NEO though.
Both the 737 MAX and 320 NEO’s are more quiet than their former models, the LEAP engine is quiet 🤫
I've been on 8 narrow-body flights and it really doesn't feel that cramped
Nice analysis Coby.
I honestly wish Embraer and Bombadier weren't in such financial straits. It would be sweet if Embraer managed to design a 2 series to compete against the 737 & the A320s. Or even a 3 series since it will be a tough sell for the 321XLR even with improved comfort.
maybe one day
Bombardier is basically dead, it only produces Bizjets now, they could do a version of the Lear for short travel.
@@Dexter037S4 maybe yes and maybe not! but i wish that both can compete with this two Empire and make interesting the aviation world!!!
If Airbus adopted something similar to the Boeing sky interior of the a320 it would be the king of narrow body comfort. Not sure why they’re still using those old overhead bin designs
The A320 family is, indeed, a much more comfortable ride than the 737. Or, 757 for that matter. For an 8-9 hour route, though, it will all come down to the individual carrier's setup. For something like that, I would always try to upgrade my seats, at least Comfort + on Delta... But, currently, I have zero issues flying an Airbus from Boston to San Fran...
I don't understand why many people have problems with flying long time in a narrow body plane. I mean you won't have the same seats, leg room and service like on a short flight. You will have your IFE and be sitting in a normal three seats row until you are in the aisle....
My guess: They think you get more "cramped" because it's a single aisle instead of twin aisle. Also something tells me people are looking for excuses to get more room and luxury for economy prices since the pandemic got airlines on their knees. People are just whining. Like you said, there is hardly to no difference sitting for 6 hours on a narrow body compared to a wide body.
You do lose efficiency in service and typically there are fewer lavatories. But I have no problem on 5-6 hour flights. But some may...
It's actually a psychological trick. Most folks just end up sitting at their seat most of the flight regardless of if its a narrowbody or a widebody, but the perception of space that widebodies create with higher ceilings is more relaxing. It's why Boeing has put so much time and effort into developing the Sky Interior fro the 737 - the fuselage is cramped and they want to do everything they can to create the illusion of space
All this is predicated on travel volumes not normalizing for most of the 2020s.
Most people I know (including myself), are desperate to travel once the pandemic ends.
And if traffic volume goes up then the wide bodies will return into service, greatly reducing the use of the A321 XLR
People flew for many years in the 707 on transatlantic routs, the same flight on the A321 it's going to be more comfortable! Less noisy and with in flight entertainment.
707 you talking nearly 60 years ago
@@jantschierschky3461 Yes, of course. But what would really improve comfort for passengers are larger legroom and seat width, not the fact that you have 6 rather than 9 seats in a row.
@@0lorenzo0 I fully agree, is all about the seating
I just wish all airlines would adopt pivot style folding down overhead bins like Delta is doing on there new Airbus 321.... It gives a since of spaciousness in flight than the regular overhead lockers that other airlines are using.
Do you think the a220 would shine as much as the 321XLR in this era ?
No. First of all, Bombardier and Airbus doesn't have the capacity to scale up the A220 production to the rates we see on the A320/A321. That itself would massively limit its sales.
Secondly the A220 does not share any commonality with any of the airbus aircraft. Crews will need to undergo the full certification course which would be costly and takes time to slowly build up the pool of certified crew.
Thirdly, the A220 is more costly to built than the A320neo. So pricing wise it will not be as competitive.
@@chingweixion621 they will scale it to however the market demands it. The A220 has so many markets it can service, it should eventually outsell the A320...
@@derbagger22 yes, they will scale it to the market demand. But you will not expect the production rate to jump from 4 to 40 in just 10 months. Pre-pandemic Plans was to increase the A220 production rate to 10 per month while the A321neo will hit 60 unit per month or proportionately 30 units for the A321. It will take at least 5 yrs or longer to push the A220 production to such levels, by then the A220neo (along with the A220-500) will be on the horizon.
So if we take a fix time frame of until 2030, I still don't see the A220 family (100+300) outselling the A321(neo+LR+XLR). If you are talking about eventually, then maybe 50yrs later the A220 would still be around, flying in its 3rd or 4th generation derivatives while the A321 would be history, there might still be a possibility. But stretching out the timeline to such extremities does not fit the question which limits to "this era".
We can already observe that Air Transat already made the move towards the A321 Neo and XLR replacing their nice but aging A310 planes. They understand that this will a great offer to fly routes like Montreal to Lyon or Munich for example. Indeed the single aisle may sound like a loss, but I am not sure since it depends if they are going to focus on getting good ergonomic seats unlike those terrible ones that we see on Boeing 737 series in KLM or Ryanair airplanes.
Am i the only one wondering why delta dosent order 120 a321 xlr and a 20 787s to replace the 757-200s (a321xlr) and 757- 300 (787-8)
Great explanation of post-COVID aviation. Poor Boeing.
The 757 has been a narrowbody longhaul for years. For the consumer it is price and seat comfort.
I like how the thumbnail golden ticket reminds of the one from the movie Charlie and the chocolate factory
r/noshitsherlock
I've been on Widebodies, even 747s, that were way more cramped than some Narrow Bodies. At this point it depends on the Airline you are flying and the Configuration. Choose carefully.
Long flights in single isle planes where the single isle always is blocked is hell.
I wonder if Boeing launches a 737 Max 10 ER as a response (if building it is even possible)
Well they need to get the Max 10 flying first
Three drawbacks I see for long haul A321XLR flying-it is slower than other WB aircraft, and will likely fly a few thousand feet lower as well. This means longer ocean crossings and bumpier rides overall. Finally, the narrow fuselage means there is no good place for crew rest quarters required for 8+ hour flights, so airlines will have to cordon off revenue seats for crew sleeping seats. These aren’t deal breakers, and I expect the 321XLR to sell well and save airlines tons of money. But it does give Boeing some weaknesses to attack when they finally build a 797.
Any other person: NOOO WHY A NEW PLANE AIRBUS WE ARE IN THE WORST CRISIS EVER AND YOU AND YOUR PROGRAM!!
Airbus: Haha A321XLR go brrr
Boeing honestly shouldve built a 757 replacement instead if focusing too much on widebodies
Aairbus should also be doing the final stretch to the airframe, adding 4/5 seat rows, with a shorter range, higher capacity A322-200NX. This would be the rel 757 replacement/MOM, a US transcontinental, and US East Coast to western Europe capitals capable machine.
I'll choose an A320/321 over a Boeing any day. The wider cabin means more comfortable seats, and there is much bigger overhead storage too. It's also quieter inside. Transatlantic in a 321? Absolutely.
Personally for a long flight narrow or wide body is irrelevant. It is the width of the seat and leg room that counts. Also quiet air conditioning for a good sleep.