I remember back in the mid 2000s I had a 15" Dell rotatable flat panel monitor. On a LAN party while playing Day of Defeat, I was sick of constantly getting headshots from snipers on the roofs, so I turned the monitor to vertical, changed resolution to 768x1024 and played on. Now I was able to see those snipers on the roofs :D
Vertical monitors, great for programming, too. Lots of time code is only a few lines long but many many lines. At college the labs all had vertical monitors, was so annoying to have to code just on my laptop haha
That ViewSonic DOES have an orientation sensor. When you were flipping the inputs, I noticed the icons were right-side up even though the monitor was tilted. The screen is at least AWARE of its own orientation. An old review claims ViewSonic packed in some software titled "PerfectPortrait" that did rotational things. I THINK that includes autorotation, but I'm not certain.
I also noticed that. Combined with the fact that the monitor has a USB port I think it's quite likely that the rotation can be detected by some kind of (proprietary) software. I also once had a monitor that could auto-rotate in that way, though I think it was made by HP.
Time for a follow up blerb? Edit: yep it mentions that software in the manual page 6 www.manualslib.com/manual/186549/Viewsonic-Vp201b.html?page=6#manual
That's telling me you're quite young. Early LCD's followed a color scheme similar to CRT's, and manufacturers hadn't even thought of making thinner bezels than those in CRT's, all resulting in similar looks when in front of them.
I have that FPD monitor. It still works. Since I got my first computer in college, I've slowly replaced every part of it. Keyboard, hard drive, mouse, motherboard, but the monitor is the last piece of my original computer. It still lives on. :)
When my 1600x1200 broke, it was no longer in production and I was pretty much forced to go down the 16:9 route. Luckily I stayed choosy while limping along on the surviving 17" display, and ended up with a matching pair of Samsung 2343BWX displays. That was 13 years ago, and I still use one of them. The other died less than a year ago! I wish I still had the matching pair, but I can't say I got cheated on lifespan. I wish 2048x1152 hadn't vanished from the scene. It is very useful for working on 1080p video and not having the controls in the way.
There *might* be a sensor in there. One of the Dell tilt monitors I still have from 2007 originally came with software for Windows. I think it communicated over the DDC/CI channel.
I was just trying to think what the heck should I do. These heatwaves gets me angry too. Luckily I spotted that you Clint just loaded some LGR blerb content, so my next 18 mins and 22 seconds will be better. Thank you kind sir ❤ With greetings from Finland.
@@exlibrisas Yeah. Just gotta get through this. 👍 I'm one of those people who dislikes summer at general too... well pouring rains and thunderstorms are very nice but the summer at general feels so darn boring to me. Winter and autumn/fall is the best in my opinion. But yeah, people like different things. 😄
I think a lot of Dell's monitors have stands that support rotating to use vertically. The one I recently had did, which is the Dell S2721QS (4K 60Hz). It was really nice for reading, but I ended up switching my setup to just one LG CX
I have that same Gateway monitor! It's a great little one, I keep it out in my garage to work on computers. It's definitely yellowed though, the whole thing is a solid orange color yuck
I picked up back in 2008 the 20" Viewsonic version of your monitor there. I got it specifically for my grandparents who could only handle 800x600 and so few monitors could scale that properly. I got the monitor back after their passing and I have a project to do exactly what you did. A pi 3b+, NES style controller, a little usb powered speaker bar. Just haven't finished it yet. So it is very cool to see someone else had the same thoughts. :) Awesome!
The two main things I recall about LCD monitors of this era is the cost and the realization that the future had arrived. Before then you only saw LCDs on laptops, and in the early 90's color was a struggle. This was during a time when manufacturers were still saving cost with passive matrix displays. Once I saw the first monitors, I knew it was only a matter of time before we started seeing TVs. I'm still surprised at how fast it happened though, seems like overnight CRTs just vanished in the mid 00's
@@K-o-R Not when you're trying to transition over to laptops and docking stations that don't have native VGA support. And inevitably have to explain to somebody that doesn't understand that they can't use the cable...
man, vertical monitors are awesome. if i had the psace for another monitor I'd probably get vertical one as well, but my desk is so tiny. And actually, seeing the Pivot CRT reminded me of something: my main monitor, which is a BenQ 25'' 1440p PD2500Q, and it actually has a stand that allows for rotation, and in conjunction with their DisplayPilot software it actually does pretty much the same thing the Pivot does and automatically rotates the image, and that with a standard graphics card and DisplayPort cable. it's a pretty cool feature that I sadly don't get to use because my desk is so tiny I can't actually rotate the monitor without moving a whole lot of stuff around it first.
My dad used to have an really old flat panel monitor back in the 90s. It was mono colour orange, and I do believe it was manufactured in Denmark. My dad said a large company bought them up and halted production. The monitor was comfortable to use in regards to eye strain, but limited in practicality due to it working through serial connection. My dad got rid of his a few years back unfortunately. Would love to see more of that kind of monitors, as they seem rare.
I dunno, early 2000s LCDs weren't advanced enough yet to beat the image quality of a good CRT. I doubt either of those can display even 50% sRGB, and they probably have abysmal contrast ratios and tons of ghosting.
I still had CRTs in 2005, I remember that because it is when WoW got launched in feb, in Europe. my work office switched to LCDs only, and we got all the crts for free, I quickly snapped up the largest they had which was 21 inch. At least for gaming it was a lot better than a LCD, I would only get an LCD a few years later around 2007 or so.
I had a Samsung 1600x1200 display much like that, with the swivel base. It did sense the rotation of the screen, as the part that turned was actually part of the display rather than part of the base. I had to set up the drivers for each position initially, but after that it just knew where I had it. Whichever way I rotated it, it would not switch to the new position until it got about 3/4 of the way there, probably to prevent people from putting it at 45 degrees and deliberately confusing it.
I recently bought a FDP1520 at an antique store recently. I bought it for 15 dollars and am enjoying it with my old Windows 7 family computer. It really does go good with the aesthetic.
I remember when LCD monitors started to become a thing. I loved running my fingers through the screen and watch the image get warped. As soon as I got one it was almost impossible to go back to a CRT.
I did the same thing distorting the screen. However I've always found older LCDs (and plenty of newer ones for that matter) to look like crap compared to CRTs. The exception is the Dell 2001FP which was the first LCD monitor I'd ever seen which I found sufficient to replace a CRT. Non-IPS LCDs (especially cheap TN panels) just have bad colors and terrible viewing angles.
Most Dells have rotation as standard. Watching you now on a pair of 25" 1440p modern Dells that rotate. Useful for doing portrait mode art, things like that. Love them.
I picked up that same gateway one a while back...super useful for using on older pcs while still having that nice lovely biege finish....not the best lcd in the world but good enough for late 90s gaming
Dude, that exact Viewsonic model was my PC monitor from 2005 to 2009! It was my first LCD after CRT, and it was great. I paid about 856 euros for it (new) in April 2005. I did some tests with the pivot/portrait mode, but it was too much hassle in everyday use, so it was mainly in the "normal" landscape mode most of the time. I still have it, just not in active use.
Rotating monitors are just glorious for coding once you get used to it. Used to have one rotated portrait about the size of an A3 piece of paper and a big 30" in landscape, solid setup tbh
Damn that ViewSonic is something I really lusted after back in the day. So glad to see you found one! Vertical 4:3 is more comfortable for quite a lot of things that vertical 16:9 or 5:4 or 3:2 just, none of them are as good.
Oh yeah Galaga looks so good on that thing. This made me realise that I never tried MAME because all the stuff was like “how to build a MAME cabinet” which I had neither the money nor space for. But I could’ve totally played it with a keyboard this whole time! Well dang. Guess that’s what I get for not looking into stuff myself.
As long as you get the resolution right you can play anything 4:3 without it looking super blurry like it would on 16:9 i played a game at 1680:1050 and it looks better on my 1680:1050 monitor vs my 1920:1080 monitor i know 1680:1050 is 16:10 but same concept
I was really expecting that gateway to have a DFP 20 pin connector not VGA. As I had a couple of the gateways that had that connector which was a precursor to DVI. They came bundled with a "proprietary" Nvidia card.
I have the silver version of the Viewsonic monitor on my lab/test-bench. Its a great monitor with really good picture quality and great colors, but thats what to expect from an IPS-panel.. Got it new late 2004 and its still one of my favorites.
Only trouble with ageing LCDs is the backlights going, but that''s why I stuck LEDs in my old HP 1702 monitor recently, though have yet to figure out how to wire them into the screen's power supply to turn them on and off as needed rather than running off external battery power... :P
The black one looks like the sort of panel you'd see on reception desks at say bus stations/train stations listing departures and arrivals that sort of thing. Probably came with the option to be wall mounted :)
I got an old 4:3 viewsonic monitor for a single dollar from my old job that I use for my home server. I've got a 16:10 dell monitor that is rotated to vertical as my second display for my main computer, I dont know how I lived without it!
Holy crap, I used to use two of those ViewSonic monitors at my first job. One was in landscape and the other in portrait. It was cool as hell at the time. They were also really good monitors. I can confirm the auto-rotate should work on XP, that's what I had my two running on back in the day (around 2003 - 2005), but I'm pretty sure it was a pretty beefy graphics card with two DVI outputs on it to drive both monitors.
8:44 The viewsonic OSD input information was rotated, instead of being sideways the way windows was before you flipped it. I wonder if you connected the USB hub, if there's some USB device built into the monitor that will rotate in windows.
I still use a VP201b as a side monitor. As a heads-up they were made right in the middle of the 2000s capacitor plague so there is a good chance that the power supply will fail short. Mine did, but I revived it with a HP laptop supply.
That rotating monitor is great for mame and emulating classic retro games that ran on vert screens; pacman, centipede, donkey kong, galage, etc... I was typing this while watching, and then saw that you tried that exact thing :)
Clint, A sideways 16:9 monitor is EXTREMELY useful. I know cause I have one from personal experience. I have a 900 by 1600 sideways monitor that is longer than it is tall, and it makes some programs far more accessible. It was given to me, so I find any applications for it to be exceptionally valuable due to its nonexistent price, but if you get one, I promise you'll enjoy the experience on your modern computer.
If anybody is looking for a brand new LCD monitor for vintage machines, I recently bought an NEC EA193MI. It's 5:4 aspect ratio, has VGA input (in addition to DVI-D and DisplayPort), and supports sync-on-green for workstations. It performs wonderfully on the Sun workstations and classic Macs I use it on.
My wife likes to tease me because I watch videos like this in the shower after work. I find it to be rather relaxing. She'll say, "oh I bet you want to collect all kinds of old computer stuff and play with it, don't you?" Yeah, and, so what? Haha
I dream of having one of those ultra wide 4k lg flat displays in portrait mode next to two ultra wide gaming monitors stacked up. You could probably fit the entire internet on it.
Oh man a VP201b ! My family got me one as a birthday present when it came out, to repklace my old IBM P200 CRT (that I wish I kept). I still usethe VP201b as my secondary monitor along with another one I bought a few years ago and a Dell U3011 in the middle (they line up nicely in a PLP configuration)
1600x1200 19" was easy to come by with CRT, and I didn't part with a 21" Trinitron until I got a 26" 1080 IPS. The swivel was probably amazing, especially for page setting. I was shocked how often people jumped to the inferior pictures on LCD (presumably to get their desks back).
Holy shit! I had vague memories of a shmup style game with trees in the beginning. Something i played when i was really young. And i have been looking for it for now like 6-10 Years. On and off wondering what game it is. NOW. OUT OF NOWHERE. A VIDEO ABOUT MONITORS. Raiden 2. Thank you so much LGR.
Might want to try the 1600x1200 unit with an Amiga or ST; I have had about 50/50 luck with those taking a 15kHz input on the analog line. Most of displays of that size in that vintage were intended for medical or broadcast use.
I think that Viewsonic monitor may support some sort of rotation detect as the input select OSD was correctly rotated to match the screen orientation. You should try the Perfect Portrait software to get it to auto switch potentially.
I have a similar LCD (my stepmom didn't need it anymore). It's 15", which I guess is indeed pretty rare today, but it's just perfect for my Win7 and Win98 PCs. Both sit idle most of the time (I almost exclusively use Linux nowadays), so there's no point in hooking up a big-ass monitor. But there are some programs that just don't want to run in Linux, so it's always good to have a backup (VMs are just too much of a hassle). And the 98 PC I have just to have a 98 PC. It also hooks up to my Amiga with a Nullmodem cable for file transfer, which is just SO AWESOME to be able to transfer files between Amiga and PC.
I love how the built in controller still shows you something even though it is out of range just like in a CRT Why don't modern monitors do that? It would be nice to see shit so that I can adjust it back...
I really need to get a decent 1600x1200 LCD for my 98SE machine while they're still cheap, because one of these days my trusty 21" NEC flat CRT _will_ die. Hate to think of the day when it happens, but all CRTs are on borrowed time now.
or free.. I have been throwing away plenty of HP 1600x1200 LCDs in the last 5 years. Nobody even wanted them for free if it was not 16:9. we just had to pack em up and send them to the scrapyard. You might still be able to pick some up for free at schools or corporate offices. although they might have thrown them away already. We are now throwing away the older 16:9 monitors,
Manufacturers should bring back 4:3 and 5:4 monitors as not everyone wants a 16:9, 16:10 or a 21:9 monitor. 4:3 and 5:4 monitors are perfect for work and I'm even considering going back to playing games on a 4:3 to remember the good old days.
No joke, came across that exact model of Gateway Monitor today in a Goodwill. Sadly, it wouldn't even turn on when I tried to test it. They lady who worked there quietly took it off the floor to be recycled. Lol.
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I remember back in the mid 2000s I had a 15" Dell rotatable flat panel monitor. On a LAN party while playing Day of Defeat, I was sick of constantly getting headshots from snipers on the roofs, so I turned the monitor to vertical, changed resolution to 768x1024 and played on. Now I was able to see those snipers on the roofs :D
That’s pretty funny. Well done lol
Is that a true story though? It sounds too good to be true that the game would really work like that lol.
@@JamesChessman Try it yourself, it actually works! The Half-Life engine seems pretty flexible, resolution-wise!
@@kpanic23 Cool, then, it’s really impressive that the game responds to the monitor like that. I never would have expected that.
@@JamesChessman from how it reads, it wasn’t the game automatically reacting to the monitor, it was a manual process to reset the resolution
"old LCD monitors" me looking at the same one on my desk i use on a daily basis: "oh, yeah, old"
*quietly shuffles the Dell 1905FP out of the center of the monitor cluster*
@@youmukonpaku3168 i almost bought that monitor as a second hand monitor like 2 years ago!
@@youmukonpaku3168 I have a dell P190S.
dell 2001fp
I'm still using a 5:4 monitor
i like the gateway one simply for the fact that it looks like a crt
The first LCDs that hit the market all looked like crts. They were meant too.
@@GamerbyDesign More than meant to look the same it's simply that they hadn't even considered making them look otherwise. Mere continuism.
@@BilisNegra Maybe should have said it's the only design they knew since lcds were starting out.
@@GamerbyDesign Yeah, that's exactly what I meant!
Dude, 3:4 aspect ratio is perfect for GBA emulation. Don't miss on that, Clint!
Vertical monitors, great for programming, too. Lots of time code is only a few lines long but many many lines. At college the labs all had vertical monitors, was so annoying to have to code just on my laptop haha
Always enjoy your stuff Clint. That monitor's beige colour really bring back memories.
That ViewSonic DOES have an orientation sensor. When you were flipping the inputs, I noticed the icons were right-side up even though the monitor was tilted. The screen is at least AWARE of its own orientation.
An old review claims ViewSonic packed in some software titled "PerfectPortrait" that did rotational things. I THINK that includes autorotation, but I'm not certain.
I noticed the same thing. Hope @LGR notices this comment and has a second look.
I also noticed that. Combined with the fact that the monitor has a USB port I think it's quite likely that the rotation can be detected by some kind of (proprietary) software. I also once had a monitor that could auto-rotate in that way, though I think it was made by HP.
Time for a follow up blerb?
Edit: yep it mentions that software in the manual page 6
www.manualslib.com/manual/186549/Viewsonic-Vp201b.html?page=6#manual
I would have thought the Gateway monitor was a CRT until he rotated it.
Yah, some early ones definitely kept the style with that wide frame.
It's CRT-coloured
@@liukang3545 notice how they put “would have” meaning from first glance it looks like a crt
That's telling me you're quite young. Early LCD's followed a color scheme similar to CRT's, and manufacturers hadn't even thought of making thinner bezels than those in CRT's, all resulting in similar looks when in front of them.
@Pepe the magic frog wtf would that be, lcds and crts are completely different things
I have that FPD monitor. It still works. Since I got my first computer in college, I've slowly replaced every part of it. Keyboard, hard drive, mouse, motherboard, but the monitor is the last piece of my original computer. It still lives on. :)
I have an old Dell Ultrasharp 20" 1600x1200 monitor with a great stand that allows rotation and I just love it.
When my 1600x1200 broke, it was no longer in production and I was pretty much forced to go down the 16:9 route. Luckily I stayed choosy while limping along on the surviving 17" display, and ended up with a matching pair of Samsung 2343BWX displays. That was 13 years ago, and I still use one of them. The other died less than a year ago! I wish I still had the matching pair, but I can't say I got cheated on lifespan.
I wish 2048x1152 hadn't vanished from the scene. It is very useful for working on 1080p video and not having the controls in the way.
There *might* be a sensor in there. One of the Dell tilt monitors I still have from 2007 originally came with software for Windows. I think it communicated over the DDC/CI channel.
I was just trying to think what the heck should I do.
These heatwaves gets me angry too.
Luckily I spotted that you Clint just loaded some LGR blerb content, so my next 18 mins and 22 seconds will be better.
Thank you kind sir ❤
With greetings from Finland.
Oof, I feel your pain. Horrible here in Lithuania as well.
@@exlibrisas Yeah. Just gotta get through this. 👍
I'm one of those people who dislikes summer at general too... well pouring rains and thunderstorms are very nice but the summer at general feels so darn boring to me.
Winter and autumn/fall is the best in my opinion. But yeah, people like different things. 😄
Come hang out in the American southwest
@@ezioauditoredafirenze8352 Same!
@@ezioauditoredafirenze8352 Same here
Reminds me of Raptor: Call of the Shadows. I've loved that game since I was a kid.
12:44 - no sound? I swear I heard the Duke3D sounds when you started it at 6:42 :D
But it's probably a classic case for "I can hear this picture"
GREAT FINDS! I found a similar 15 inch white GATEWAY MONITOR (fpd 1510) at a thrift store that I made a video restoring on my page.
14:49 oh skills!!
That’s a man who’s put in some hours with this game.
Leaving the price stickers on is a flex I can appreciate.
I would have loved to have one of these in the 2000's
I think a lot of Dell's monitors have stands that support rotating to use vertically. The one I recently had did, which is the Dell S2721QS (4K 60Hz). It was really nice for reading, but I ended up switching my setup to just one LG CX
The Gateway 15" is definitely a dentist's office special
I have that same Gateway monitor! It's a great little one, I keep it out in my garage to work on computers. It's definitely yellowed though, the whole thing is a solid orange color yuck
I still use two dells 4:3 displays on a daily basis. Love those things and the attachable soundbars than can be purchased for them.
I picked up back in 2008 the 20" Viewsonic version of your monitor there. I got it specifically for my grandparents who could only handle 800x600 and so few monitors could scale that properly. I got the monitor back after their passing and I have a project to do exactly what you did. A pi 3b+, NES style controller, a little usb powered speaker bar. Just haven't finished it yet.
So it is very cool to see someone else had the same thoughts. :) Awesome!
I would love that viewsonic on my work desk for tall office documents, and long web pages like eBay.
I've put my 16×10 monitor in portrait for years next to my ultrawide monitor, extremely useful 👌
I have the 19" version of that Viewsonic, still use it to this day for my retro machine. It cost me about $750 in 2004.
Clint: "Oh what a neat little monitor"
The Monitor: "Bonjour!"
The pivoting monitor looks like a real nice option for tate mode arcade game emulation.
The two main things I recall about LCD monitors of this era is the cost and the realization that the future had arrived. Before then you only saw LCDs on laptops, and in the early 90's color was a struggle. This was during a time when manufacturers were still saving cost with passive matrix displays. Once I saw the first monitors, I knew it was only a matter of time before we started seeing TVs. I'm still surprised at how fast it happened though, seems like overnight CRTs just vanished in the mid 00's
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find either of these in production at work somewhere. Along with the one Vista box that we missed...
A screen is a screen for the most part.
@@K-o-R Not when you're trying to transition over to laptops and docking stations that don't have native VGA support. And inevitably have to explain to somebody that doesn't understand that they can't use the cable...
man, vertical monitors are awesome. if i had the psace for another monitor I'd probably get vertical one as well, but my desk is so tiny.
And actually, seeing the Pivot CRT reminded me of something: my main monitor, which is a BenQ 25'' 1440p PD2500Q, and it actually has a stand that allows for rotation, and in conjunction with their DisplayPilot software it actually does pretty much the same thing the Pivot does and automatically rotates the image, and that with a standard graphics card and DisplayPort cable. it's a pretty cool feature that I sadly don't get to use because my desk is so tiny I can't actually rotate the monitor without moving a whole lot of stuff around it first.
Gnarly my local youth club near me had Finalizer on a cocktail cab when i was 10 or so high nostalgia!
My dad used to have an really old flat panel monitor back in the 90s. It was mono colour orange, and I do believe it was manufactured in Denmark. My dad said a large company bought them up and halted production.
The monitor was comfortable to use in regards to eye strain, but limited in practicality due to it working through serial connection. My dad got rid of his a few years back unfortunately. Would love to see more of that kind of monitors, as they seem rare.
I'd have killed to have a LCD in early 2000s, instead of my 100 lb. CRT lol
I got one on a credit card back in 2002
I dunno, early 2000s LCDs weren't advanced enough yet to beat the image quality of a good CRT. I doubt either of those can display even 50% sRGB, and they probably have abysmal contrast ratios and tons of ghosting.
Particularly TFT LCDs... Which can be found on devices as new as 2011 or so... Those are notorious for more ghosting than a Halloween convention...
@@LunarDelta mine was a nice viewsonic right when bestbuy starting selling decent ones.
I still had CRTs in 2005, I remember that because it is when WoW got launched in feb, in Europe. my work office switched to LCDs only, and we got all the crts for free, I quickly snapped up the largest they had which was 21 inch. At least for gaming it was a lot better than a LCD, I would only get an LCD a few years later around 2007 or so.
I love that Viewsonic.
It would be cool to see a video of you hooking your arcade PCBs to that ViewSonic monitor to see how they look and feel.
I had a Samsung 1600x1200 display much like that, with the swivel base. It did sense the rotation of the screen, as the part that turned was actually part of the display rather than part of the base. I had to set up the drivers for each position initially, but after that it just knew where I had it. Whichever way I rotated it, it would not switch to the new position until it got about 3/4 of the way there, probably to prevent people from putting it at 45 degrees and deliberately confusing it.
The Viewsonic is still a very impressive monitor.
I recently bought a FDP1520 at an antique store recently. I bought it for 15 dollars and am enjoying it with my old Windows 7 family computer. It really does go good with the aesthetic.
I remember when LCD monitors started to become a thing. I loved running my fingers through the screen and watch the image get warped. As soon as I got one it was almost impossible to go back to a CRT.
I did the same thing distorting the screen. However I've always found older LCDs (and plenty of newer ones for that matter) to look like crap compared to CRTs. The exception is the Dell 2001FP which was the first LCD monitor I'd ever seen which I found sufficient to replace a CRT. Non-IPS LCDs (especially cheap TN panels) just have bad colors and terrible viewing angles.
1600x1200! That's amazing!
I have one too, love it!
Only thing i wish those monitor manufacturers would have included, is integer scaling option...
Darn, LGR Thrifts 47 hasn't been uploaded yet!
It's not even fully _recorded_ yet!
@@LGRBlerbs time travel. It's the obvious reason.
@@LGRBlerbs Clint game that runs in portrait mode.. Virtual Pool 3.. if my memory do not fail on me...
Most Dells have rotation as standard. Watching you now on a pair of 25" 1440p modern Dells that rotate. Useful for doing portrait mode art, things like that. Love them.
A Sunday Blerb....the rarest of the LGR Blerbs....▶Play on.
I picked up that same gateway one a while back...super useful for using on older pcs while still having that nice lovely biege finish....not the best lcd in the world but good enough for late 90s gaming
Galaga looks so good on the viewsonic , that aspect ratio is just like the arcade..
My friends and family make me feel like a hoarder for collecting old monitors. Then Clint posts this video and I feel alright again :)
The little Gateway is almost certainly a restyled Samsung SyncMaster 570V or similar
Dude, that exact Viewsonic model was my PC monitor from 2005 to 2009! It was my first LCD after CRT, and it was great. I paid about 856 euros for it (new) in April 2005. I did some tests with the pivot/portrait mode, but it was too much hassle in everyday use, so it was mainly in the "normal" landscape mode most of the time. I still have it, just not in active use.
Since Raiden II runs in windowed mode, maybe utilizing DxWnd to make it run in fullscreen borderless would work? AFAIK it does work on Windows XP.
Looking at the details of the window's title bar it looks like it might be a 16-bit application. If that's the case DxWnd won't work.
that mame emulator you have i still have and works on win10. just installed it and works. that mame is the best.. works like a champ
Rotating monitors are just glorious for coding once you get used to it. Used to have one rotated portrait about the size of an A3 piece of paper and a big 30" in landscape, solid setup tbh
Damn that ViewSonic is something I really lusted after back in the day. So glad to see you found one! Vertical 4:3 is more comfortable for quite a lot of things that vertical 16:9 or 5:4 or 3:2 just, none of them are as good.
Oh yeah Galaga looks so good on that thing. This made me realise that I never tried MAME because all the stuff was like “how to build a MAME cabinet” which I had neither the money nor space for. But I could’ve totally played it with a keyboard this whole time! Well dang. Guess that’s what I get for not looking into stuff myself.
5:4 rotated is nice for documents though. You can get the whole page on screen and have room for the controls down the inside.
As long as you get the resolution right you can play anything 4:3 without it looking super blurry like it would on 16:9
i played a game at 1680:1050 and it looks better on my 1680:1050 monitor vs my 1920:1080 monitor i know 1680:1050 is 16:10 but same concept
Every time I compare displays I always go with the Viewsonic. They seem to just have amazing color accuracy with no tweaking.
A few years Back i got a Samsunsg 16:10 1920x1200 Screen from the Local Thrift Store and it was SUPER cheap and it's awesome.
I was really expecting that gateway to have a DFP 20 pin connector not VGA. As I had a couple of the gateways that had that connector which was a precursor to DVI. They came bundled with a "proprietary" Nvidia card.
I have the silver version of the Viewsonic monitor on my lab/test-bench. Its a great monitor with really good picture quality and great colors, but thats what to expect from an IPS-panel.. Got it new late 2004 and its still one of my favorites.
Another great pivot 4:3 display is the NEC Multisync EA193Mi. It has an IPS panel! Great black levels and very fast response time.
I have that exact Gateway FPD1520, Great little monitor. It was being thrown out at a business that I was cleaning and I swooped it up.
Only trouble with ageing LCDs is the backlights going, but that''s why I stuck LEDs in my old HP 1702 monitor recently, though have yet to figure out how to wire them into the screen's power supply to turn them on and off as needed rather than running off external battery power... :P
On a laptop I retrofitted LEDs into I tapped into the LCD panel's VCC line. This fed into a transistor which switched the LEDs themselves.
@12:40 I was really hoping you would make the game sounds yourself. I just want to hear LGR go "pew, pew, pew"
The black one looks like the sort of panel you'd see on reception desks at say bus stations/train stations listing departures and arrivals that sort of thing. Probably came with the option to be wall mounted :)
I got an old 4:3 viewsonic monitor for a single dollar from my old job that I use for my home server. I've got a 16:10 dell monitor that is rotated to vertical as my second display for my main computer, I dont know how I lived without it!
6:36 And Clint is showcasing his new keyboard, complete with gunshot sounds.
I think I had that Viewsonic monitor back in 2008 or so.
I genuinely thought the monitor on the left was a crt at first…
Holy crap, I used to use two of those ViewSonic monitors at my first job. One was in landscape and the other in portrait. It was cool as hell at the time. They were also really good monitors. I can confirm the auto-rotate should work on XP, that's what I had my two running on back in the day (around 2003 - 2005), but I'm pretty sure it was a pretty beefy graphics card with two DVI outputs on it to drive both monitors.
8:44 The viewsonic OSD input information was rotated, instead of being sideways the way windows was before you flipped it. I wonder if you connected the USB hub, if there's some USB device built into the monitor that will rotate in windows.
I still use a VP201b as a side monitor. As a heads-up they were made right in the middle of the 2000s capacitor plague so there is a good chance that the power supply will fail short. Mine did, but I revived it with a HP laptop supply.
That rotating monitor is great for mame and emulating classic retro games that ran on vert screens; pacman, centipede, donkey kong, galage, etc... I was typing this while watching, and then saw that you tried that exact thing :)
There's also a lot of modern shmups on Steam that also support tate mode. Danmaku Unlimited 3 for example.
Clint,
A sideways 16:9 monitor is EXTREMELY useful. I know cause I have one from personal experience. I have a 900 by 1600 sideways monitor that is longer than it is tall, and it makes some programs far more accessible. It was given to me, so I find any applications for it to be exceptionally valuable due to its nonexistent price, but if you get one, I promise you'll enjoy the experience on your modern computer.
If anybody is looking for a brand new LCD monitor for vintage machines, I recently bought an NEC EA193MI. It's 5:4 aspect ratio, has VGA input (in addition to DVI-D and DisplayPort), and supports sync-on-green for workstations. It performs wonderfully on the Sun workstations and classic Macs I use it on.
does it do 15khz
Does it scale 4:3 resolutions properly though or even better allow for an unscaled view of 4:3 resolutions?
My wife likes to tease me because I watch videos like this in the shower after work. I find it to be rather relaxing. She'll say, "oh I bet you want to collect all kinds of old computer stuff and play with it, don't you?" Yeah, and, so what? Haha
My mother is the same. She comments about me wanting to learn about old tech and stuff like it's a bad thing.
I had two of those ViewSonic VP201B's back in the days! - great color reproduction and it could pull off games like WoW etc.
I have a Dell 4:3 that rotates to 3:4. 1600x1200, awesome for retro kind of stuff.
MJD would approve of the Gateway monitor (with his $5 Windows 98 PC).
16:31 Even as of version .233 of MAME, the sound is still not 100% correct. Still a fun little game though.
I dream of having one of those ultra wide 4k lg flat displays in portrait mode next to two ultra wide gaming monitors stacked up. You could probably fit the entire internet on it.
Oh man a VP201b ! My family got me one as a birthday present when it came out, to repklace my old IBM P200 CRT (that I wish I kept). I still usethe VP201b as my secondary monitor along with another one I bought a few years ago and a Dell U3011 in the middle (they line up nicely in a PLP configuration)
1600x1200 19" was easy to come by with CRT, and I didn't part with a 21" Trinitron until I got a 26" 1080 IPS. The swivel was probably amazing, especially for page setting. I was shocked how often people jumped to the inferior pictures on LCD (presumably to get their desks back).
I still have one of those Gateway FPD1520 for testing servers with VGA only outputs. Thing still runs like a tank.
Holy shit!
I had vague memories of a shmup style game with trees in the beginning. Something i played when i was really young. And i have been looking for it for now like 6-10 Years. On and off wondering what game it is.
NOW. OUT OF NOWHERE. A VIDEO ABOUT MONITORS. Raiden 2.
Thank you so much LGR.
2:09 I assume the USB-B connects to the PC. I'm just guessing as my monitor has that!
Might want to try the 1600x1200 unit with an Amiga or ST; I have had about 50/50 luck with those taking a 15kHz input on the analog line.
Most of displays of that size in that vintage were intended for medical or broadcast use.
1600x1200 is my favorite resolution of all time.
I think the viewsonic rotate/ pivot/ swivel/ slide construction is used in 2019 - now Dell monitors.
I have the ARTSCAN branded version of the Gateway one, lost the vga port cover tho!
I have one of those old Gateways. It is very limited on the resolutions it supports but it always worked great.
wow.. that's a really nifty Viewsonic model!
The Viewsonic monitor reminds me a Samsung 16:9 monitor I've got for Christmas in 2007. Also I'm looking forward for the next Thrifts video.
Mr. LGR, any chance of a blerb review of Secret Agent HD? Would love to get your take on it!
I bet you could rig up an arduino to send out a keycombo on rotation as a hack to automatically switch screen modes.
I think that Viewsonic monitor may support some sort of rotation detect as the input select OSD was correctly rotated to match the screen orientation. You should try the Perfect Portrait software to get it to auto switch potentially.
I do hope you're gonna release a thrifting video
I have a similar LCD (my stepmom didn't need it anymore). It's 15", which I guess is indeed pretty rare today, but it's just perfect for my Win7 and Win98 PCs. Both sit idle most of the time (I almost exclusively use Linux nowadays), so there's no point in hooking up a big-ass monitor. But there are some programs that just don't want to run in Linux, so it's always good to have a backup (VMs are just too much of a hassle).
And the 98 PC I have just to have a 98 PC. It also hooks up to my Amiga with a Nullmodem cable for file transfer, which is just SO AWESOME to be able to transfer files between Amiga and PC.
I love how the built in controller still shows you something even though it is out of range just like in a CRT
Why don't modern monitors do that? It would be nice to see shit so that I can adjust it back...
I really need to get a decent 1600x1200 LCD for my 98SE machine while they're still cheap, because one of these days my trusty 21" NEC flat CRT _will_ die. Hate to think of the day when it happens, but all CRTs are on borrowed time now.
or free.. I have been throwing away plenty of HP 1600x1200 LCDs in the last 5 years. Nobody even wanted them for free if it was not 16:9. we just had to pack em up and send them to the scrapyard. You might still be able to pick some up for free at schools or corporate offices. although they might have thrown them away already. We are now throwing away the older 16:9 monitors,
Manufacturers should bring back 4:3 and 5:4 monitors as not everyone wants a 16:9, 16:10 or a 21:9 monitor. 4:3 and 5:4 monitors are perfect for work and I'm even considering going back to playing games on a 4:3 to remember the good old days.
lovely monitors, nice lgr thrifts teaser btw
No joke, came across that exact model of Gateway Monitor today in a Goodwill. Sadly, it wouldn't even turn on when I tried to test it. They lady who worked there quietly took it off the floor to be recycled. Lol.