I bought an RTX 2080 on ebay 2 weeks ago for $165 US. Took me about a week of watching prices to find one at that price. You just have to find the right card because some cards are priced based on reputation not actual performance. So there are over priced and under priced cards out there.
True. Used rx 6600 is scarce as hell in my area, and if you ever found one, its basically got the same price as the new one, minus the warranty but extra dust and man-juices On the contrary, rx6600xt is flooding the used market, I think I saw one as low as $166
This is a good post - people overpay for the old popular cards and they don't actually consider raster in general. RTX 3060 Ti is a wonderful value card and is easy on power relatively speaking so it fits well into older or more space confined builds.
How is it Costco has to recall butter that doesn't say "contains milk" on the front of the packaging, but Nvidia can call something RTX3050 that is 100% inside and out different from the original RTX3050 and that's okay..? Why aren't they being sued into oblivion for misleading marketing fraud? This seems horrifically illegal and yet they do it rampantly
i have one here and it is so bad that i cant even install linux, because the nvidia driver is so old it doesnt work this post only works as display adapter on windows, for now
Pascal was the breakthrough in efficiency. I remember swapping out my GTX770 2GB with a GTX1060 6GB purely because 2GB of VRAM made the 770 fall off a cliff when it got 3 years past release, utterly shit card. The 1060 gave me double the frames at 1080P than the 770 gave at 720P with lower settings (VRAM restriction) and drew less than half the watts. My 600 watt PSU went from having about 8.33% headroom (50 watts) to having about 30% headroom (180 watts) instantly. RTX20 series was more efficient core for core again and I suspect RTX60 series will see another big efficiency bump, going forward. As opposed to just giving people less silicon like as has happened in RTX40 cards.
@@darthwiizius Each generation after Pascal has also been more efficient that the previous, Pascal wasn't some kind of magic, it was a node shrink. Turing is more efficient per watt than Pascal and Ampere was a little better than Turing. And finally with a big node shrink, Ada is wayyy more efficient. No magic, just normal progress.
When nvidia "retires driver support" these will be like $100, not like it'll change anything because the drivers probably have barely changed in the past 4 years
With the amount of Pascal cards (not to mention laptops) out in the wild there will be new drivers made by the modders within a second after the last Nvidia driver drops. Probably be better too, as they have no vested interest in selling new cards.
its barely strong enough for all content most of the time, im not that sad when using, darktide randomly is the most power hungry game but its playable now because of framegen
interesting timing on this video. just the other day i got my old 1080ti system out, dusted it off and set it up for a family member to use. they still go strong.
My brother is getting the leftovers from my upgrade. He is getting my older, Fractal Compact Meshify with an AM4- Z370 chipset Motherboard (1st gen Ryzen era) with a R5-5600G, 32 GB of 2666 RAM (this MotherBoard is fussy over RAM!) and a GTX 980ti. I threw in a new Crucial m.2 and 2-1/2" SSD (also has a 2TB Spinning HDD intended for a Laptop- for Media storage) The 980ti still works pretty good, for 1080p. Too bad End of support is approaching it.
@@greenman8 Yeah by the time i had to take the 970 out of the system, because of damage (fan controller failed) which is a year and a half ago, driver bugs unique to the Maxwell series and remaining unfixed have been accumulating, not many yet but sign of things to come, for example was it Yuzu in Vulkan mode or something else, it's starting. On the Pascal series they had the same driver bug but fixed it within 4 months to half a year, but it stayed on Maxwell for one and a half years at that point. Snope a cheap 2060Super though, makes me happy enough.
I've never bought a new GPU, I prefer to wait a year or three when the games that are actually made for it come out and I can get decent price to performance used.
@@darthwiizius I got my 1070ti EVGA FTW2 Brand new on release for £450. Long are those days gone. but one of the best purchases ever. Was so proud of it, and was fab to see the extras you get for the premium, for certificates, posters, Bags, ect. and 5 years+ later i got a 3060 12gb for £260 few months ago new MSI may as well of spat in the box when i opened it. Just a GPU nothing else. Not even a thank you.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559 If I'd bought one of those in 2017 instead of my old 1060 6GB I'd still be happily using it today. When you bare in mind I swapped that out for a 2060S 4 and a half years ago that basically says a lot (I bought it at the start of the GPUpocalypse, I was after a 2070S but the shop sold it just before I got there so the 2060S was literally the last card for sale for 30 miles around me without getting scalped harder than Johnny Ringo. Still cost me 400 quid though, used retail but basically new, the factory manufacturing date was just a couple of months before I bought it). The performance of 8 chip Pascal cards was pretty damn amazing back in 2016 and 2017, Pascal must be remembered as the GOAT architecture because every card delivered massive performance bumps at way lower power consumption than Maxwell or Haswell. My 1060 is why I'll never buy another 6 chip card, damn thing was great for a couple of years running on my 4th gen i7 but the moment I upgraded to AM4 in 2019 I found it to just strangle the hell out my new system. Would not have had, still wouldn't be having, that issue with a 1070 or better 8 chip Pascal card today, 5 years on. My old GTX770 was an MSi card, aesthetically lovely classic MSi 2 fan unit but by the end I wanted to spit on it myself, card looked nice but by 2016 nothing on my screen did.
Really! What website was it? Buying used graphics cards is a hit or miss chance. Due to me experiencing several months ago! A used gtx 1650 i bought off fb marketplace being faulty other times i bought a used graphics card for a friend of mine it did work very well! for his 11 year old acer desktop pc. But be aware that buying used second hand graphics card is a hit or miss! Not always the person selling it to you is honest about it being faulty!
@@Asadc1995 use sites which allow returns and money back guarantees. In developped countries general rules protect the consumer even on second hand market. If the seller tells you "your bad! idc" he can go to jail for that, since selling products which do not match the description is against the law. In countries where such laws don't exist I'd be 10x more cautious and check the product myself, together with the seller, before giving him my money. He should at least give you the opportunty to try the card in a rig
No shit right? I'm kind of wondering if this was because the 1080 TI is more attention grabbing,? It's just like.. why would you you go for the thing that is the minimum cutoff for a lot of tech that developers are definitely not going to code alternatives for, just for the PC.. and are going to use it, whether it makes an actual visual difference or not to the performance it costs.. Of which, the machine learning anti aliasing genuinely does make a difference given the way modern games rely on things that need temporal stabilization in order to appear on the screen as some resemblance of what they're supposed to be.. and and with the MLA a, now you can have that in motion lol sometimes.. depending on the hidden settings and video won't let you put in the menu. Is he though, is he comparing FSR to something like a machine learning image reconstruction technique? Cuz.. they really don't compare if your your video game.. as in video as in motion picture.. is in movement.. and sometimes not even then depending on the way occlusion is handled, usually, mysteriously and entirely the engine defaults from epic, or if lucky, the bad practices proposed by epic.. meaning you're lucky if they even hadn't an idea about what the box was to check or uncheck or not check or if it was there at all in modern development. I really like dawid, But this video is premise feels like it's getting confused by picking the flashiest potential example and then kneecapping the p potential of the actual premise cuz that flashy example is not a good one especially by comparison to many many others. And it's all just add a little blurb at the end.. and yeah you know what if this was two years ago or so I feel like it would have a little bit more weight because of things like mesh shaders not being pushed out the gospel wagon of epic to console developers.. which are going to be coming more common. But honestly the machine learning aspect is been.. Just it's performance in motion alone solving so many problems that had plagued the modern industry, like I'm not even talking about the upscaling nonsense.. I'm talking about not having the entire game be a blurry mess of pixelation when doing anything of video game might do outside of a screenshot.
@JackWse Dawid is one of my favorite techtubers, so I mean no offense in saying it's not a recommendation. I highly recommend the 1080 TI for collectors, at around $150 USD. It's just not a pick for someone in need of a budget used card, especially at that wattage.
No, stay on fleabay. Ignore the list prices, make offers for the prices I mentioned. Be picky, don't settle for any sketchy listings, or dirty cards. Even if they don't have Make Offer, send them one via message. Most sellers will take these offers, ignore the ones that call you a low-baller. This is the going rate, most sellers are over pricing the listings, looking for suckers, or are flippers. I'm a system builder, and get plenty for the above. It just takes more time if you only need one card, since you don't want many to accept, like I do.
Is Amd still that bad as it used to be several years ago? Just asking because all those bad negative experiences from people due to badly optimized drivers it have! However i know intel cards are far more worse than AMD! Just asking because i bought some several months ago a friend of mine a used rx 580 8gb it worked just very well on his 11 year old pc with lesser demandings games like football manager
Not that bad anymore. Driver issues still exist because they always will, however. With that said, if you're in the $200 budget range and willing to buy used, a used 3060 12gb has comparable performance as well and is much younger.
@@Asadc1995actually amd has really good value in the middle/high tier gpu market (think 7700xt upwards for latest gen) and Intel now is a budget beast out of nowhere with the b580, similar performance and price as the 1080ti but with modern features such as raytracing and XESS (basically DLSS) Driver support for the both of them are completely on track now and comparable to nvidia
@@Asadc1995 used a 6700 xt for 2 years straight. now have a 6900 xt. never expereinced any issues. and even if something like that happens there are ways to downgrade the drivers back so idk why people complain so much
The 1080ti was, and still is, an absolute powerhouse. I wish I had bought one at the time but I had to settle with a 1070 (which was still stellar for the price). It's really sad to look at the current prices to performance compared to back then. Jeez.
@@Dorraj unfortunately they will never release such an awesome card again. Now we've got like 11 different card offerings filling in every gap of the market for crazy prices.
@volvo09 if Nvidia was smart they'd spend a generation getting their name out of the mud and selling the new Gen of cards at amazing prices before slowly jacking them up again. It's a legitimate strategy!
@@vinylSummer well yeah, that's the problem in the first place. It's like pokemon. Everyone complains every time a new game comes out, yet it breaks sales records every time. Listen, I'm just dreaming out loud, okay? Lol
Dawid, I love these type of videos from you. They are super information dense without being overwhelming, not overly long, but still extremely entertaining. Thank you!
3:55 I mean, what I've learned from Jacob Knowles, lobsters can be almost immortal, they don't die of old age, what kills them is if they become weak they won't shed their shells and die because they outgrow the shell, other than that, they can live hundreds of years, and become massive.
People still overpay on the used market for big name NV GPUs like the 1080 Ti - wouldn't recommend it unless you can get it for a hell of a bargain(good luck!). You're way, WAY more likely to easily score something like an RTX 3060 Ti for under $180 USD which absolutely *trounces* a GTX 1080 Ti.
In no way will you find an rtx 3060 ti for 180 usd unless its listed as broken as for parts, or you have a one in a million luck. Far from typical pricing. Maybe 220-230 at the very least.
@@Boba_Fett1980 This is wildly inaccurate - I bought a Zotac 3060 Ti last december for $225 shipped off ebay in perfect condition. I bought another for $187 shipped this august. Those were both solid deals, but you can easily search ebay recently sold to confirm this.
@@volvo09 £130-150 in the UK, they're holding up thanks to RUclipsrs making videos like this :P If you were looking to upgrade it's a nice easy discount on your next card.
I recently picked up an RTX 3090 from a friend for $250. I’m not going to be upgrading anytime soon. That was such a great deal for me. I’ve also got a 9800X3D coming in the mail and I’m so excited to use it.
you my man really did a bad choice if you play anything else apart from competitive shooters. That CPU costs too much and that GPu coosts too little. The 3090 can be driven by a 7700 non xt for normal gaming. To feed the 9800X3D you need 4090+
Just replaced my 1080Ti for a 4070, and that's where it gets interesting, I was more than happy with the 1080Ti at 1080p, but at 1440p, it's starting to show its age. Still a legend of a card @1080p and has a few more years in it yet.
60fps is literally the market standard. Consoles are struggling to even hit that these days. I'll admit that higher fps makes a big difference but acting like 60 is unplayable is just sage bait.
@@Crusader-yq1bf Yes but most people aren't playing competitively. Its only the online shooters you need stupid amounts of fps. Having 200 fps ain't going to make any difference if your playing The last of us or Fallout 4.
5:57, honestly, anything over 60FPS is super playable for me. Maybe it's because most of my gaming time is in Fallout or Skyrim, where the engine literally stops working correctly above 60FPS? Also, my monitors are also only 60FPS?
The real issue with the 1080ti is that the cars are like 8 years old. I would never spend $200 on a card that old, I wouldn't even spend that on a card that's 5 years old.
MUCH MUCH much better spend than the "3050" thats actually just a 3030 or 3010 might as well be, especially for similar price. 1080 ti will still be supported for at least a few years.
I bought one last summer, and I wish I didn´t. Shortly there after it started crashing more and more to desktop when trying to game. First I thought it was the psu, but after getting a tip to do a memory check, it turns out that one or more memory chips were dead or dying.
@wewillrockyou1986 not with the same performance or amount of vram as the 1080ti, in any case the regular 3050 8 GB would be a massive downgrade from the 1080ti let alone the cut down 6 gig version.
@@Lovetheducks The info I found was that a Maine lobster can usually live at least 100 years, but nothing further than that. Theoretically, there is no reason a GTX 1080Ti can't function 300 years in the future, that I'm aware of. You'll have to replace the capacitors, perhaps. Idk how those more modern ones fare. But you get the idea. Lobsters are pretty cool, though. I'd love to be in my prime at age 100, rather than age 40.
The 1080ti was an amazing card in its time. Deffinetly my favourite card I've ever bought (on price to performance wise) currently on a 4090 sold my 1080ti when I upgraded to a 3080 sold the 1080ti for £180 and that was like 2/3 years ago
fun fact, the 1070ti features the same PCB as the 1080, but cut down. Overclocked a 1070ti can beat or match a 1080 (Stock no OC) and can be found for same price as a NON TI 1070. £80-100 Cracking price, 256bit bus and 8gb VRAM.
@@drewnewby i wouldn't buy a 2060, they aren't bad but they lack vram, when I used one it In some games I had to run lower settings than it was capable of just because of the vram
@tyler6602 That's a good point, I usually pick out the RX 5700 for the under $100 USD builds. At 1080p, it's not much of a difference, but newer games are getting there even with lower settings.
@DawidDoesTechStuff thank you for all of your videos and comparisons. You really do a great job and make things really simple to understand. Keep up the great work.
I don't need to buy a 1080ti, I've had one since 2017 and I won't change it as long as it works. I'm old enough to understand that as long as things work there's no point in changing them, especially some hardware components that promise big changes that in any case serve no purpose except to make you throw away money every year.
@Ricek73 Sadly, since games mostly follow console cycles, a typical well spec'd PC can go 7-9 years. I have customers that want new builds every year or two, and I can upgrade every 6 months with all the parts, but I still don't.
@@Solruc_ Actually the 3050 8GB had both GA106 and GA107 versions with identical specs (core count,PCIe 4.0 lanes and staff). The reason why the 3050 8GB was cut down to PCIe 4.0x8 (vs 4.0x16 on the 3060) was that they originally planned to use the 107 die all along.
@@Solruc_ GA106 really didn't make any sense, it had 3840 cuda cores which got cut down to 2560 (full GA107 spec) for the 3050 8GB, it wasn't a yield issue they practically just wasted silicon.
It's wild to see used 1080ti EVGA cards that actually work. It was the biggest sour point I had with EVGA. 1080ti SCII and never got one that worked for more than a month. It was nuts with 5 RMAs. I have a 3080 now, and never had an issue, but every time my 1080ti failed, I had to go back to an HD7950. At the time, not the end of the world, could still play games. Now? I wish my 1080ti could have been my old reliable replacing the HD7950. Now it has to be the stop gap 3050 8gb from EVGA that I got to replace the consistent failure I got. Objectively, the 1080ti is in another class from the 3050 8gb even. I spent $760 on the 1080ti new, while it was most recent. Spent $400 on a 3050 8gb. The times were really bad for video cards, and I can't say they got better after the crypto mining spike that made 3050s so high.
Ive had mine 1080ti since launch day, I waited in line for the store to open- Its never had a issue. Its now a back up that I wouldnt hesitate to use if the 3080ti bites the dust -
Yeah. A card that old high chance you get a repaired one. Not always about the fps you should also know budget builders can't take risks. 3-5 year warranty is worth alot in itself
The "sweat" is normal for the 10/20 series from EVGA, it is the pads they used. I had 5 different EVGA models from those series and every one of them had that sweat everywhere when you open them up.
I'm actually glad you made this video. My laptop has a RTX 3050 and was curious what certain games performance would look like. I tend to play lower demanding games anyways but good to know if i wanna slay some demons in doom I'm good.
Right when the 40 series launched i looked on the 2nd hand market for 30 series that were being sold. I found a 3090 aorus xtreme for some 600€, 2 months used and still under warranty, I'll be keeping this for a long while
That's a lot more in freedom dollars and you're going to hate that 8 GB of VRAM. If you're buying new I wouldn't consider anything below a 4060 TI. Nvidia really did everyone dirty there.
@@aidanharris1 It's honestly pretty fine for a 4060, it's a 1080P card really. I'd always go for 3060 12GB instead of course since you can then at least play with some AI stuff as well but the 4060 isn't as bad as the internet says.
BIG NOTE TO ADD: one runs off of motherboard power and is much smaller, one runs off of supplemental power and is as big as high tier monolithic gpu from today
@drewnewby Thanks for missing the point. You're doing great. Lol The comparison is with a 1080ti, Socrates. A 3060 is still supported. That's the definition of currency. Dollar for performance, there is no comparison. Your point about getting a used one even cheaper, simply reinforces my point, despite being wholly irrelevant to it.
@ghoffmann821 The point of the video is to compare a current $200 GPU to used at the same price, half wit. Again, no one should be buying a 3060 for $260 new at this point.
@@drewnewby Great. Congrats. The point of MY COMMENT, which is what you're replying to, is that buying a new 3060 makes more sense than running an 8 year old card. That's separate and different from the point of the video. Monetize missing the point, and never work another day in your life. 🤡
Did you know that a person's legs make up roughly 30% of their body mass on average? You can totally live missing 30% of your biomass. That theoretical Matthew McConaughey would still be Matthew McConaughey just without legs. Food for thought. Definitely not food you wanted but...der ya goo
This video made me wonder if strangled GPU Memory Bus Width can start to shoot you in the knee with a shotgun at higher resolutions. Like theres so much more of everything with higher res. And with Cyberpunk 2077 @ 1440p the VRAM usage is only 4,5GB.
GTX 1080 Ti is STILL the GOAT. The Amount of memory on the card is now-a-days a really brutal factor. No one in their right mind should buy a 6GB card if they weren't force to like in the "old office pc" scenario. Not even 8GB is ok and 12GB isn't future-prof at all. It's at 16GB and above where you want to be. AMD is doing this better than Nvidia, if you want a decent amount you have to pay through the nose. I really hope the upcoming 5000 series Nvidia cards bring some more memory for the midrange.
It's kinda "future proof" in the sense you'll be dropping settings for these older cards anyway, they're unlikely to ever need to use more than 8GB of VRAM.
My current favourite super cheap used buy is the 2080 Super, have picked up a few even less than 1080Ti's which have an enduring RUclipsr pricing effect (thanks Dawid :P). 2080Ti is also a good used buy since it's basically an 11GB RTX 3070. A little unreliable though, buyer beware... lots of VRAM chips means lots of opportunity for failure, they don't like sagging.
Yeah, make sure it either has second or newer gen Micron RAM or Samsung memory. 1st gen micron RAM cooks itself on all RTX20 models, if you do have 1st gen Micron then you need a moderately aggressive underclock and undervolt to be safe, and never, and I mean never, turn up the temperature limits or overclock the memory. I suspect that the reasons that DDR6 is underclocked out of the box by 1000MHz on RTX20 cards is because Nvidia was aware of the issue before launch (and it was a good way to rip off consumers buying weak arsed 30 series cards that got most of their performance uplift from memory speed, cough 3060), you'd be amazed at how fast RTX 20 cards can go once you unleash the memory, my 2060S fully clocked is faster at up to 8GB workloads than a 3060, for example, which can not be memory OC'ed by 1200MHz like my 2060S can, though 1200 is absolutely the limit and I tend to vary the card between stock, +500 MHz and +1000MHz depending on what I'm running and if I need the extra performance. An easy way to be safe is to buy "Super" cards, all the Micron RAM on those is second gen or newer.
Had a 980Ti SLI setup for the longest time. After watching Jensen announce the disappointing 20-series cards, decided to hop on eBay and buy a used 1080 Ti. It was faster than my dual 980 Tis at full utilization. What a BEAST! I'm convinced we'll never see again that kind of generational performance uplift without a huge price hike.
I have this exact 1080TI card in my pc and I've been daily driving it for over 7 years now. I have yet to see barely any drop in performance, even though the rest of my PC has upgraded over the years massvely I just haven't yet seen a need to upgrade the card. the GOAT
I finally retired my trusty old 1080Ti setup this past year with a 4090 system. The 1080Ti was still going strong but showing its age in newer games at 4K resolution
I think I'd have an easier time finding affordable weapons-grade plutonium than an affordable used 1080 where I live. What few I've found are almost as expensive as a 4080.
Dawid I just wanna say I really love your videos! Waking up to go to work and watching your videos while getting ready legitimately had me CACKLING at some of your jokes! What a great feeling, thank you Dawid❤ 🤝
I just switched from that exact card to a 7800XT.. The good old 1080ti was having a hard time, even after repasting, and DDU/reinstall.. either it was having a hard time with 3 monitors (worked fine on one), or something else in the card wasn't happy.. i loved that card.. it's now on display in my office.
I bought a pny 1080Ti for roughly $150 a year ago and I am currently using a MSI 2080TI that I bought for 200 about the same time. If you a willing to be patient and or compromise on brand or quality you can find some decent deals. The 1080TI I have is uses a blower style cooler which is absolute garbage, the thing would thermal throttle within 5 minutes, so I used experimented with msi afterburner to make a more aggressive fan curve and a slight undervolt when I play games now it stays about 5-10 degrees cooler than the throttle limit.
You can currently get a TITAN XP card for less than the 1080ti which outperforms it by a little bit. And considering it was around $1,200 when it released and now it's around $200 is wild.
Interesting Video Dawid! I personally use a RX 6600 in my main PC and it's been great value so far for my 1080p needs. Looking forward, I might consider buying a used card when this one eventually kicks the bucket because the increase in value vs performance has really dropped off in the past few years as it feels like spending 3-$400 (Australian) just isn't going to cut it to keep a consistent 60 frames a second, at least not without dropping a few other visual settings.
Last year I bought an EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid Gaming (liquid cooled) for $75 off the local FB Marketplace. The seller was 15 years old and his father had to drive him to the meeting place. The card is like new and was still in the original packaging. I was buying 1080 Ti FTW3's off Craigslist for between $100-150 for a couple of years before their prices more than doubled recently. I still think they're by far the best bang for the buck for upgrading older platforms.
But its also the top of the line GPU from that era versus a somewhat bottomline GPU of todays era. The 3090 and 4090 will also be extremly powerfull in 10 years time. Hell, the 3070 and 3070TI still holds up amazing after soon to be 4 years.
@@rickardsvensson7097 thing is, the 1080ti still holds up because its an amazing card. the 3090 and 4090 will hold up well because, well as amazing as they are we arent getting the same amount of progress over time
The only issue with the old Pascal based cards is the bad DX12 implementation. With Pascal based cards you have a lot more frametime issues compared to similar fast more modern gpus. The raw performance is still impressive. I can't really remember that we had ever a time that a card was so fast that it is still relevant ~8 years after it's release.
I don't get why the 1080 was so hyped. I had the 1660 Ti and that was not nearly playable 1080p high settings, like the 2060. I fast moved on to the 3060 Ti and never regretted it
This is so helpful! I am in the process of upgrading mostly everything, but am running with this Titan X for the time being. It's been pretty solid! I was thinking of maybe a 3080 or 3090 down the road, which is fine for what I do. But I was also curious about a 3050, so this gives me some insight.
1080ti user here. I bought 2 from CeX, one was a blower style and one was a Palit 2-fan model. I sent back the blower style and have been using this Palit 1080ti ever since 😁
I wish we could have 2GB edition of RTX 3050 it's sad that Nvidia didn't make it
RTX 3030
Nahhh not the rt 3010
dont give them ideas
@@migongaming rtx diddy diddy
@@yasaldesilva Thiddy thiddy
I bought an RTX 2080 on ebay 2 weeks ago for $165 US. Took me about a week of watching prices to find one at that price. You just have to find the right card because some cards are priced based on reputation not actual performance. So there are over priced and under priced cards out there.
A few months ago, I got a 2080super for $200. It's been in my wife's rig and that thing runs like a champ
im looking at a 2080 ti, lowest iv seen here in the UK is £250 and thats $318.76 lol so i think you got a good deal.
True. Used rx 6600 is scarce as hell in my area, and if you ever found one, its basically got the same price as the new one, minus the warranty but extra dust and man-juices
On the contrary, rx6600xt is flooding the used market, I think I saw one as low as $166
This is a good post - people overpay for the old popular cards and they don't actually consider raster in general. RTX 3060 Ti is a wonderful value card and is easy on power relatively speaking so it fits well into older or more space confined builds.
I got a 2080 for free😊
How is it Costco has to recall butter that doesn't say "contains milk" on the front of the packaging, but Nvidia can call something RTX3050 that is 100% inside and out different from the original RTX3050 and that's okay..? Why aren't they being sued into oblivion for misleading marketing fraud? This seems horrifically illegal and yet they do it rampantly
@Imjeezus They are being sued, class actions are just heating up. Mandatory recalls are sadly limited to health & safety.
Yeah it's wild. They are so naughty.
Just call it a 2650/60 and everyone sees them as a hero. It’s weird how they forgot all about the 1650/60.
Because we keep electing politicians instead of nerds.
How else are Americans to know that butter contains milk? Or that peanut butter may contain nuts.
Dawid, we ALL know the best GPU of all time is the GT 710
GT 610 is much much better🤣
There is an even better one, the G 100
Right after GT 710 is the ryzen 4060
GT 705 is much better as it offers the elusive SPF ( seconds per frame ) techonology.
i have one here and it is so bad that i cant even install linux, because the nvidia driver is so old it doesnt work
this post only works as display adapter on windows, for now
Still very impressive that the 3050 didn’t need supplemental power, really shows how far we’ve come in efficiency
Pascal was the breakthrough in efficiency. I remember swapping out my GTX770 2GB with a GTX1060 6GB purely because 2GB of VRAM made the 770 fall off a cliff when it got 3 years past release, utterly shit card. The 1060 gave me double the frames at 1080P than the 770 gave at 720P with lower settings (VRAM restriction) and drew less than half the watts. My 600 watt PSU went from having about 8.33% headroom (50 watts) to having about 30% headroom (180 watts) instantly. RTX20 series was more efficient core for core again and I suspect RTX60 series will see another big efficiency bump, going forward. As opposed to just giving people less silicon like as has happened in RTX40 cards.
That used to be the standard.
Yeah it's cool to see and does give it a bunch of interesting use cases.
@@ffwastit used to be, yes. That's a long time ago, and graphics from back then don't even come close to being comparable.
@@darthwiizius Each generation after Pascal has also been more efficient that the previous, Pascal wasn't some kind of magic, it was a node shrink. Turing is more efficient per watt than Pascal and Ampere was a little better than Turing. And finally with a big node shrink, Ada is wayyy more efficient. No magic, just normal progress.
When nvidia "retires driver support" these will be like $100, not like it'll change anything because the drivers probably have barely changed in the past 4 years
With the amount of Pascal cards (not to mention laptops) out in the wild there will be new drivers made by the modders within a second after the last Nvidia driver drops. Probably be better too, as they have no vested interest in selling new cards.
i will buy a evga card specifically to have an evga card from peak nvidia
@@captainslow_037 if you want peak you should look at the 2060 KO
@@darthwiiziusTrue, but most don't dabble with modded drivers.
@@darthwiizius And then game developers will have hard requirements on driver versions.
I just got a 1080ti for 90usd, pretty stocked. definitely still capable in 2024. GOAT
1080ti with the frame gen software on steam = 4080
@@williamlaprarie3007 thats a stretch its pretty much almost 4060 with frame gen
Things prob on its last legs
its barely strong enough for all content most of the time, im not that sad when using, darktide randomly is the most power hungry game but its playable now because of framegen
interesting timing on this video. just the other day i got my old 1080ti system out, dusted it off and set it up for a family member to use. they still go strong.
My brother is getting the leftovers from my upgrade. He is getting my older, Fractal Compact Meshify with an AM4- Z370 chipset Motherboard (1st gen Ryzen era) with a R5-5600G, 32 GB of 2666 RAM (this MotherBoard is fussy over RAM!) and a GTX 980ti. I threw in a new Crucial m.2 and 2-1/2" SSD (also has a 2TB Spinning HDD intended for a Laptop- for Media storage)
The 980ti still works pretty good, for 1080p. Too bad End of support is approaching it.
@@greenman8 Yeah by the time i had to take the 970 out of the system, because of damage (fan controller failed) which is a year and a half ago, driver bugs unique to the Maxwell series and remaining unfixed have been accumulating, not many yet but sign of things to come, for example was it Yuzu in Vulkan mode or something else, it's starting. On the Pascal series they had the same driver bug but fixed it within 4 months to half a year, but it stayed on Maxwell for one and a half years at that point.
Snope a cheap 2060Super though, makes me happy enough.
Sounds so weird to me. My GTX 1080 system is the best one I own. I've been using it with that card since 2017.
Ive got my 1080ti reference eition setting on my desk as a back up, just in case my 3080ti bites the dust.
I've bought used gpus for a while. I never spend over 200, and I always get a flagship, like a 2080 or 1080ti.
Holy shit dude you're a blast from the past. I remember watching your pokemon theory videos like 10 years ago.
I've never bought a new GPU, I prefer to wait a year or three when the games that are actually made for it come out and I can get decent price to performance used.
@@darthwiizius I got my 1070ti EVGA FTW2 Brand new on release for £450. Long are those days gone. but one of the best purchases ever. Was so proud of it, and was fab to see the extras you get for the premium, for certificates, posters, Bags, ect. and 5 years+ later i got a 3060 12gb for £260 few months ago new
MSI may as well of spat in the box when i opened it. Just a GPU nothing else. Not even a thank you.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559
If I'd bought one of those in 2017 instead of my old 1060 6GB I'd still be happily using it today. When you bare in mind I swapped that out for a 2060S 4 and a half years ago that basically says a lot (I bought it at the start of the GPUpocalypse, I was after a 2070S but the shop sold it just before I got there so the 2060S was literally the last card for sale for 30 miles around me without getting scalped harder than Johnny Ringo. Still cost me 400 quid though, used retail but basically new, the factory manufacturing date was just a couple of months before I bought it). The performance of 8 chip Pascal cards was pretty damn amazing back in 2016 and 2017, Pascal must be remembered as the GOAT architecture because every card delivered massive performance bumps at way lower power consumption than Maxwell or Haswell. My 1060 is why I'll never buy another 6 chip card, damn thing was great for a couple of years running on my 4th gen i7 but the moment I upgraded to AM4 in 2019 I found it to just strangle the hell out my new system. Would not have had, still wouldn't be having, that issue with a 1070 or better 8 chip Pascal card today, 5 years on. My old GTX770 was an MSi card, aesthetically lovely classic MSi 2 fan unit but by the end I wanted to spit on it myself, card looked nice but by 2016 nothing on my screen did.
I did that for cell phones when they hit that price.
About 6 months back I sold my RX 590 for $100 and bought an RTX 2070 Super for $200, so for $100 USD I just doubled my fps.
Where do you live?
100$ for a used RX 590 is daylight robery, you have high charisma or what?
@@franciscoriccio51 He hit that nat 20😂
I bought a used 2060 for 80 euros and a 3050 is around 250 euros here so wtf
Really! What website was it? Buying used graphics cards is a hit or miss chance. Due to me experiencing several months ago! A used gtx 1650 i bought off fb marketplace being faulty other times i bought a used graphics card for a friend of mine it did work very well! for his 11 year old acer desktop pc. But be aware that buying used second hand graphics card is a hit or miss! Not always the person selling it to you is honest about it being faulty!
@@Asadc1995 use sites which allow returns and money back guarantees. In developped countries general rules protect the consumer even on second hand market. If the seller tells you "your bad! idc" he can go to jail for that, since selling products which do not match the description is against the law.
In countries where such laws don't exist I'd be 10x more cautious and check the product myself, together with the seller, before giving him my money. He should at least give you the opportunty to try the card in a rig
WHERE IS THE INTRO DAWID!?
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Perhaps the intro is the overpriced choke-fetish pre-built PCs we bought along the way
Gddr5 'Twitter' had me Lol for real hahaha
Same hahaha
ohhh...now I get why he called it "Twitter".
hehe, yeah, the "I refuse to say X"
I buy 6700 XT and 3070 for $200-225 USD used on a regular basis. Would not recommend a 1080 TI at that price.
I think those prices may be in CAD.
@tidjane2001 No, he shows the CAD prices in the video, which are higher than $200-225 USD of course.
No shit right? I'm kind of wondering if this was because the 1080 TI is more attention grabbing,? It's just like.. why would you you go for the thing that is the minimum cutoff for a lot of tech that developers are definitely not going to code alternatives for, just for the PC.. and are going to use it, whether it makes an actual visual difference or not to the performance it costs..
Of which, the machine learning anti aliasing genuinely does make a difference given the way modern games rely on things that need temporal stabilization in order to appear on the screen as some resemblance of what they're supposed to be.. and and with the MLA a, now you can have that in motion lol sometimes.. depending on the hidden settings and video won't let you put in the menu.
Is he though, is he comparing FSR to something like a machine learning image reconstruction technique? Cuz.. they really don't compare if your your video game.. as in video as in motion picture.. is in movement.. and sometimes not even then depending on the way occlusion is handled, usually, mysteriously and entirely the engine defaults from epic, or if lucky, the bad practices proposed by epic.. meaning you're lucky if they even hadn't an idea about what the box was to check or uncheck or not check or if it was there at all in modern development.
I really like dawid, But this video is premise feels like it's getting confused by picking the flashiest potential example and then kneecapping the p potential of the actual premise cuz that flashy example is not a good one especially by comparison to many many others. And it's all just add a little blurb at the end.. and yeah you know what if this was two years ago or so I feel like it would have a little bit more weight because of things like mesh shaders not being pushed out the gospel wagon of epic to console developers.. which are going to be coming more common. But honestly the machine learning aspect is been.. Just it's performance in motion alone solving so many problems that had plagued the modern industry, like I'm not even talking about the upscaling nonsense.. I'm talking about not having the entire game be a blurry mess of pixelation when doing anything of video game might do outside of a screenshot.
@JackWse Dawid is one of my favorite techtubers, so I mean no offense in saying it's not a recommendation. I highly recommend the 1080 TI for collectors, at around $150 USD. It's just not a pick for someone in need of a budget used card, especially at that wattage.
No, stay on fleabay. Ignore the list prices, make offers for the prices I mentioned. Be picky, don't settle for any sketchy listings, or dirty cards. Even if they don't have Make Offer, send them one via message. Most sellers will take these offers, ignore the ones that call you a low-baller. This is the going rate, most sellers are over pricing the listings, looking for suckers, or are flippers. I'm a system builder, and get plenty for the above. It just takes more time if you only need one card, since you don't want many to accept, like I do.
Is not about "buy a used graphics card" but more about "3050 is hell expensive".
You could get a 6600 for same price and better performance too.
Is Amd still that bad as it used to be several years ago? Just asking because all those bad negative experiences from people due to badly optimized drivers it have! However i know intel cards are far more worse than AMD! Just asking because i bought some several months ago a friend of mine a used rx 580 8gb it worked just very well on his 11 year old pc with lesser demandings games like football manager
Not that bad anymore. Driver issues still exist because they always will, however.
With that said, if you're in the $200 budget range and willing to buy used, a used 3060 12gb has comparable performance as well and is much younger.
Well i had nividea card , and then went to amd. I have no driver iusses ? I am using a 7900 gre.
@@Asadc1995actually amd has really good value in the middle/high tier gpu market (think 7700xt upwards for latest gen) and Intel now is a budget beast out of nowhere with the b580, similar performance and price as the 1080ti but with modern features such as raytracing and XESS (basically DLSS)
Driver support for the both of them are completely on track now and comparable to nvidia
@@Asadc1995 used a 6700 xt for 2 years straight. now have a 6900 xt. never expereinced any issues. and even if something like that happens there are ways to downgrade the drivers back so idk why people complain so much
Where i live the 2080 sometimes sells for around 220€, which can do DLSS. Same price as the RTX "3050" 6GB.
190€ in the states all day long. Less if you hunt.
The 1080ti was, and still is, an absolute powerhouse. I wish I had bought one at the time but I had to settle with a 1070 (which was still stellar for the price). It's really sad to look at the current prices to performance compared to back then. Jeez.
@@Dorraj unfortunately they will never release such an awesome card again. Now we've got like 11 different card offerings filling in every gap of the market for crazy prices.
@volvo09 if Nvidia was smart they'd spend a generation getting their name out of the mud and selling the new Gen of cards at amazing prices before slowly jacking them up again. It's a legitimate strategy!
@Dorraj why would they use it if basically everyone's already buying nvidia
@@vinylSummer well yeah, that's the problem in the first place. It's like pokemon. Everyone complains every time a new game comes out, yet it breaks sales records every time.
Listen, I'm just dreaming out loud, okay? Lol
how tf is a 1080ti still "an absolute powerhouse" when its slower than a 4060 and everyone says its shit?
Dawid, I love these type of videos from you. They are super information dense without being overwhelming, not overly long, but still extremely entertaining. Thank you!
3:55 I mean, what I've learned from Jacob Knowles, lobsters can be almost immortal, they don't die of old age, what kills them is if they become weak they won't shed their shells and die because they outgrow the shell, other than that, they can live hundreds of years, and become massive.
If I had one for a pet it wouldn't survive long.....It would be most loved though..
Yeah graphics cards can last a long time 😂
@@AnnaDoes lol
People still overpay on the used market for big name NV GPUs like the 1080 Ti - wouldn't recommend it unless you can get it for a hell of a bargain(good luck!). You're way, WAY more likely to easily score something like an RTX 3060 Ti for under $180 USD which absolutely *trounces* a GTX 1080 Ti.
Surprised people are still paying that for the 1080ti
I should sell mine
In no way will you find an rtx 3060 ti for 180 usd unless its listed as broken as for parts, or you have a one in a million luck. Far from typical pricing. Maybe 220-230 at the very least.
@@Boba_Fett1980 This is wildly inaccurate - I bought a Zotac 3060 Ti last december for $225 shipped off ebay in perfect condition. I bought another for $187 shipped this august. Those were both solid deals, but you can easily search ebay recently sold to confirm this.
@@Boba_Fett1980 in my country (Romania) I found the cheapest for about 220-230$ like you say, but still, is a very good performance for that price
@@volvo09 £130-150 in the UK, they're holding up thanks to RUclipsrs making videos like this :P If you were looking to upgrade it's a nice easy discount on your next card.
Is used market so overpriced in North America? I'm from Poland, prices of used GPU's:
- RX 5700 XT - 160 $
- RX 6600 XT - 170 $
- RX 6700 10GB - 200 $
- RX 6700 XT 12GB - 220$
I bought a second hand RX 6700 10GB for $190 here in Sweden just last week as well.
That ain't bad
Those are the prices in USA also for used, Canada is different.
No you can get a 6700 XT for $250. This wasn't the best pic by davvid
@@drewnewby Yeah I've noticed overall it seems that the price was set in Canadian Dollars.
I recently picked up an RTX 3090 from a friend for $250. I’m not going to be upgrading anytime soon. That was such a great deal for me. I’ve also got a 9800X3D coming in the mail and I’m so excited to use it.
you my man really did a bad choice if you play anything else apart from competitive shooters.
That CPU costs too much and that GPu coosts too little.
The 3090 can be driven by a 7700 non xt for normal gaming.
To feed the 9800X3D you need 4090+
Just replaced my 1080Ti for a 4070, and that's where it gets interesting, I was more than happy with the 1080Ti at 1080p, but at 1440p, it's starting to show its age. Still a legend of a card @1080p and has a few more years in it yet.
1080ti has a good 6 more years for 1080p gaming with amds upscaling
5:54 60 to 70fps is borderline playable. Get a ****ing grip Dawid.
60fps is literally the market standard. Consoles are struggling to even hit that these days. I'll admit that higher fps makes a big difference but acting like 60 is unplayable is just sage bait.
yea ig if you’re used to garbage then yeah
@@Crusader-yq1bf So all Console players and 90% of PC players are playing on garbage? You numpty.
@@ONLYJOKING101 I guess I should add the caveat of its "playable" but its not competitively viable.
@@Crusader-yq1bf Yes but most people aren't playing competitively. Its only the online shooters you need stupid amounts of fps. Having 200 fps ain't going to make any difference if your playing The last of us or Fallout 4.
60+ fps borderline playable 😭. Man must have been suffering on the ps3 and 360 days lmfao
5:57, honestly, anything over 60FPS is super playable for me. Maybe it's because most of my gaming time is in Fallout or Skyrim, where the engine literally stops working correctly above 60FPS? Also, my monitors are also only 60FPS?
Then get better monitors mate
Skyrim and FO can definitely go above 60fps
The real issue with the 1080ti is that the cars are like 8 years old. I would never spend $200 on a card that old, I wouldn't even spend that on a card that's 5 years old.
I thought the prices would drop hard when people quit using them for crypto mining, but I was wrong.
MUCH MUCH much better spend than the "3050" thats actually just a 3030 or 3010 might as well be, especially for similar price. 1080 ti will still be supported for at least a few years.
I bought one last summer, and I wish I didn´t. Shortly there after it started crashing more and more to desktop when trying to game. First I thought it was the psu, but after getting a tip to do a memory check, it turns out that one or more memory chips were dead or dying.
@@Boba_Fett1980 Nah, there are other used cards that are 4 years old or less that you can get for $200
@wewillrockyou1986 not with the same performance or amount of vram as the 1080ti, in any case the regular 3050 8 GB would be a massive downgrade from the 1080ti let alone the cut down 6 gig version.
Dawid do better with your lobster references. As someone born and raised in Maine I must say a pet lobster will outlive any electronic component
In theory, a GTX 1080Ti could keep working for over 100 years.
@ at 100 a lobster is just hitting its stride lol
@@Lovetheducks The info I found was that a Maine lobster can usually live at least 100 years, but nothing further than that. Theoretically, there is no reason a GTX 1080Ti can't function 300 years in the future, that I'm aware of. You'll have to replace the capacitors, perhaps. Idk how those more modern ones fare. But you get the idea. Lobsters are pretty cool, though. I'd love to be in my prime at age 100, rather than age 40.
This RTX "3050" should have been named RTX 3030
Yeah lol
RT 3030.
nah
30 class: 30W
50 class: 50-70W
60 class: 120-160W
@@lharsay The 3050 8GB is 130W
@@hyperturbotechnomike which is partially why it was so trash
Love how 60FPS used to be good and now it means 'struggling' lol
Got my RX 5600 XT for 100$, plays every game i want at 1440p, solid card.
emmm, why did you said two times about FSR but didn't showed any tests with it?
If Dawid says Deathmatch arena of death- I'm in.
The 1080ti was an amazing card in its time. Deffinetly my favourite card I've ever bought (on price to performance wise) currently on a 4090 sold my 1080ti when I upgraded to a 3080 sold the 1080ti for £180 and that was like 2/3 years ago
still use a 1080ti in our living HTPC. setup with steam big picture and 2 controllers, its totally a console like experience.
fun fact, the 1070ti features the same PCB as the 1080, but cut down. Overclocked a 1070ti can beat or match a 1080 (Stock no OC) and can be found for same price as a NON TI 1070. £80-100 Cracking price, 256bit bus and 8gb VRAM.
It's a great card still, but £80-100 is a bit high with what the 2060 / RX 5700 go for.
@@drewnewby i wouldn't buy a 2060, they aren't bad but they lack vram, when I used one it In some games I had to run lower settings than it was capable of just because of the vram
@tyler6602 That's a good point, I usually pick out the RX 5700 for the under $100 USD builds. At 1080p, it's not much of a difference, but newer games are getting there even with lower settings.
@@drewnewby RTX2060? No. 1070ti All way, 5700XT maybe though
@julmdamaslefttoe3559 No, £80-100 is too much for a 1070 TI, but yes for less. Not the 5700XT, it's much more, the RX 5700 for £80-100.
@DawidDoesTechStuff thank you for all of your videos and comparisons. You really do a great job and make things really simple to understand. Keep up the great work.
Man I miss the death match arena of death
I don't need to buy a 1080ti, I've had one since 2017 and I won't change it as long as it works. I'm old enough to understand that as long as things work there's no point in changing them, especially some hardware components that promise big changes that in any case serve no purpose except to make you throw away money every year.
@Ricek73 Sadly, since games mostly follow console cycles, a typical well spec'd PC can go 7-9 years. I have customers that want new builds every year or two, and I can upgrade every 6 months with all the parts, but I still don't.
Depends what you want. In my case i really needed Dlssr and that was only acailable on a 30 series card. I had to go for a 3050.
4:16 got a wallpaper
I'm glad you did this match up, I had the same question actually! Great vid!
Bought a second hand 3050 6gb last week, couldnt be happier , low power and excellent performance at full HD; i dont get the hate this card gets.
The card doesn’t get hate, Nvidia gets hate for calling it a 3050 when it's literally not (different die)
@@Solruc_ Actually the 3050 8GB had both GA106 and GA107 versions with identical specs (core count,PCIe 4.0 lanes and staff). The reason why the 3050 8GB was cut down to PCIe 4.0x8 (vs 4.0x16 on the 3060) was that they originally planned to use the 107 die all along.
@@Solruc_ GA106 really didn't make any sense, it had 3840 cuda cores which got cut down to 2560 (full GA107 spec) for the 3050 8GB, it wasn't a yield issue they practically just wasted silicon.
Thanks for the video. Can you add next time avg/0.1low frames too. Maybe helps to see how smooth the cards can handle games.
While I second this notion, isn't that the work of the CPU?
GDDR 5 'Twitter'... 😂 Nice one. 👌
love the use of Night Stalker at 7:23
not the deathmatch arena of death!!!
It's wild to see used 1080ti EVGA cards that actually work. It was the biggest sour point I had with EVGA. 1080ti SCII and never got one that worked for more than a month. It was nuts with 5 RMAs. I have a 3080 now, and never had an issue, but every time my 1080ti failed, I had to go back to an HD7950. At the time, not the end of the world, could still play games. Now? I wish my 1080ti could have been my old reliable replacing the HD7950. Now it has to be the stop gap 3050 8gb from EVGA that I got to replace the consistent failure I got. Objectively, the 1080ti is in another class from the 3050 8gb even. I spent $760 on the 1080ti new, while it was most recent. Spent $400 on a 3050 8gb. The times were really bad for video cards, and I can't say they got better after the crypto mining spike that made 3050s so high.
Ive had mine 1080ti since launch day, I waited in line for the store to open- Its never had a issue. Its now a back up that I wouldnt hesitate to use if the 3080ti bites the dust -
Yeah. A card that old high chance you get a repaired one. Not always about the fps you should also know budget builders can't take risks. 3-5 year warranty is worth alot in itself
video starts 4:52
The 10 series continuing to be considered the GOAT of relatively recent GPUs makes me smile.
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The "sweat" is normal for the 10/20 series from EVGA, it is the pads they used. I had 5 different EVGA models from those series and every one of them had that sweat everywhere when you open them up.
2:45 11 gigs of GDDR5 Twitter 😂
I'm actually glad you made this video. My laptop has a RTX 3050 and was curious what certain games performance would look like. I tend to play lower demanding games anyways but good to know if i wanna slay some demons in doom I'm good.
Amazing timing! I had my 1080ti for many years and just 3 months ago upgraded to a 4080Super. The 1080 was a great card.
Kinda similar in my case. Had a 1070Ti for like 6 Years and upgraded a couple months ago to an 4070Ti. :)
Just got a 7800xt arriving on the 7th and I’m finally upgrading from my 1080
I ended up getting a 3060ti used and in excellent condition for $220. The buyer originally got it from Microcenter.
im watching this video on my gtx 1080 ti pc
Nice
Right when the 40 series launched i looked on the 2nd hand market for 30 series that were being sold.
I found a 3090 aorus xtreme for some 600€, 2 months used and still under warranty, I'll be keeping this for a long while
Nice thanks I got a 8gb 4060 for £199 UK money
Nice
You haven't even watched the video yet 😒
That's a lot more in freedom dollars and you're going to hate that 8 GB of VRAM. If you're buying new I wouldn't consider anything below a 4060 TI. Nvidia really did everyone dirty there.
@@aidanharris1 It's honestly pretty fine for a 4060, it's a 1080P card really. I'd always go for 3060 12GB instead of course since you can then at least play with some AI stuff as well but the 4060 isn't as bad as the internet says.
That 96 bit bus is strangling that 3050.
Cars are better anyways.
BIG NOTE TO ADD: one runs off of motherboard power and is much smaller, one runs off of supplemental power and is as big as high tier monolithic gpu from today
I don't think you finished the video, cause he did mention both those points.
@@cgduude At least twice.
@@cgduude I did, just made the comment for the people who don't want to watch through it 👍
@@amnvyto Yeah sure... Downvoted.
former 1080ti owner here its not that big compared to the 4090 that things effing huge regards current 4090 owner
Dude like 80% of the world uses 7 years+ old daily drivers 😂
You can buy a new 3060 12GB for $260. Skip a lunch and stay current.
A 3060 isn't current, and no one should pay an extra $100 for new. I get used 3070 for $200-225 on a regular basis.
@drewnewby Thanks for missing the point. You're doing great. Lol
The comparison is with a 1080ti, Socrates.
A 3060 is still supported. That's the definition of currency. Dollar for performance, there is no comparison. Your point about getting a used one even cheaper, simply reinforces my point, despite being wholly irrelevant to it.
These were Canadian 🇨🇦 dollars not USD 🇺🇸🙂↕😉
@ghoffmann821 The point of the video is to compare a current $200 GPU to used at the same price, half wit. Again, no one should be buying a 3060 for $260 new at this point.
@@drewnewby Great. Congrats. The point of MY COMMENT, which is what you're replying to, is that buying a new 3060 makes more sense than running an 8 year old card. That's separate and different from the point of the video. Monetize missing the point, and never work another day in your life. 🤡
Wish we could see the 1050ti vs the arc A380 in "the death match arena of death"
Did you know that a person's legs make up roughly 30% of their body mass on average? You can totally live missing 30% of your biomass. That theoretical Matthew McConaughey would still be Matthew McConaughey just without legs. Food for thought. Definitely not food you wanted but...der ya goo
Dawid so keen to get this video out he forgot the intro
I didn’t know how much I had missed Dawid’s “thiddy” series pronunciation until I heard it again here. Legit makes me chortle. Good vid!
This video made me wonder if strangled GPU Memory Bus Width can start to shoot you in the knee with a shotgun at higher resolutions. Like theres so much more of everything with higher res. And with Cyberpunk 2077 @ 1440p the VRAM usage is only 4,5GB.
GTX 1080 Ti is STILL the GOAT. The Amount of memory on the card is now-a-days a really brutal factor. No one in their right mind should buy a 6GB card if they weren't force to like in the "old office pc" scenario. Not even 8GB is ok and 12GB isn't future-prof at all. It's at 16GB and above where you want to be. AMD is doing this better than Nvidia, if you want a decent amount you have to pay through the nose. I really hope the upcoming 5000 series Nvidia cards bring some more memory for the midrange.
It's kinda "future proof" in the sense you'll be dropping settings for these older cards anyway, they're unlikely to ever need to use more than 8GB of VRAM.
this video is basicly making an ancient behemoth fight an 21 year old with a war crime stick
The five-twitter line cracked me up lol. Language proficiency is maybe 80% of why I stopped caring for tech, and unsubbed LTT but still watch Dawid.
It's like comparing fighting skills of a newborn baby and an athlete oldman
1080Ti is still fire!
Lool
My current favourite super cheap used buy is the 2080 Super, have picked up a few even less than 1080Ti's which have an enduring RUclipsr pricing effect (thanks Dawid :P).
2080Ti is also a good used buy since it's basically an 11GB RTX 3070. A little unreliable though, buyer beware... lots of VRAM chips means lots of opportunity for failure, they don't like sagging.
Yeah, make sure it either has second or newer gen Micron RAM or Samsung memory. 1st gen micron RAM cooks itself on all RTX20 models, if you do have 1st gen Micron then you need a moderately aggressive underclock and undervolt to be safe, and never, and I mean never, turn up the temperature limits or overclock the memory. I suspect that the reasons that DDR6 is underclocked out of the box by 1000MHz on RTX20 cards is because Nvidia was aware of the issue before launch (and it was a good way to rip off consumers buying weak arsed 30 series cards that got most of their performance uplift from memory speed, cough 3060), you'd be amazed at how fast RTX 20 cards can go once you unleash the memory, my 2060S fully clocked is faster at up to 8GB workloads than a 3060, for example, which can not be memory OC'ed by 1200MHz like my 2060S can, though 1200 is absolutely the limit and I tend to vary the card between stock, +500 MHz and +1000MHz depending on what I'm running and if I need the extra performance. An easy way to be safe is to buy "Super" cards, all the Micron RAM on those is second gen or newer.
Buy a rx6600, much better Rasterising than a 3050 or a used 1080 (TI). AND much Cheaper! And more Efficient.
But AMD bad :(
Techpowerup suggests that 1080ti beats it in raster by a margin of like 15-20%
Better that the 3050? Definitely.
Better than the 1080 Ti? No. Although not far off, but the RX 6600 only draws 100W.
Had a 980Ti SLI setup for the longest time. After watching Jensen announce the disappointing 20-series cards, decided to hop on eBay and buy a used 1080 Ti. It was faster than my dual 980 Tis at full utilization. What a BEAST! I'm convinced we'll never see again that kind of generational performance uplift without a huge price hike.
I've got that exact FTW3... it died and I am still very sad. Every so often I hook it back up with the hopes it springs back to life.
I still have a Gainward Phoenix 1080ti. I bagged it used just before the first lockdown and it saw me nicely through the pandemic.
I have this exact 1080TI card in my pc and I've been daily driving it for over 7 years now. I have yet to see barely any drop in performance, even though the rest of my PC has upgraded over the years massvely I just haven't yet seen a need to upgrade the card. the GOAT
It's been my experience that the older ones always perform better.
Oh, wait ..
I finally retired my trusty old 1080Ti setup this past year with a 4090 system. The 1080Ti was still going strong but showing its age in newer games at 4K resolution
I think I'd have an easier time finding affordable weapons-grade plutonium than an affordable used 1080 where I live. What few I've found are almost as expensive as a 4080.
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I just switched from that exact card to a 7800XT.. The good old 1080ti was having a hard time, even after repasting, and DDU/reinstall.. either it was having a hard time with 3 monitors (worked fine on one), or something else in the card wasn't happy.. i loved that card.. it's now on display in my office.
It is kind of a genius strategy to undermine your competitor's newer products by making their old products run better in software
I bought a 3060 12gb and a 2070 super 8gb for ~$200 each last year
I bought a pny 1080Ti for roughly $150 a year ago and I am currently using a MSI 2080TI that I bought for 200 about the same time. If you a willing to be patient and or compromise on brand or quality you can find some decent deals. The 1080TI I have is uses a blower style cooler which is absolute garbage, the thing would thermal throttle within 5 minutes, so I used experimented with msi afterburner to make a more aggressive fan curve and a slight undervolt when I play games now it stays about 5-10 degrees cooler than the throttle limit.
The 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' incidental music for the 1080ti intro is 'epico'
You can never forget about the Titan Xp, It's going around for the same price, and its even better than the 1080ti, its basically a buffed up 1080ti
Glad you still have that 1080ti.. it would be interesting to se that 5700XT from AliExpress again ✌🏻
Rtx 2080 ti vs 4050 please
-Dawid Does Tech stuff
You can currently get a TITAN XP card for less than the 1080ti which outperforms it by a little bit. And considering it was around $1,200 when it released and now it's around $200 is wild.
It's a shame the 1080ti will never be matched again for price/performance...
Interesting Video Dawid!
I personally use a RX 6600 in my main PC and it's been great value so far for my 1080p needs.
Looking forward, I might consider buying a used card when this one eventually kicks the bucket because the increase in value vs performance has really dropped off in the past few years as it feels like spending 3-$400 (Australian) just isn't going to cut it to keep a consistent 60 frames a second, at least not without dropping a few other visual settings.
You sir have made my day a little brighter, confirming my purchase of the 6700xt Hell Hound years ago! Plays my main game WoW perfectly.
Last year I bought an EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 Hybrid Gaming (liquid cooled) for $75 off the local FB Marketplace. The seller was 15 years old and his father had to drive him to the meeting place. The card is like new and was still in the original packaging. I was buying 1080 Ti FTW3's off Craigslist for between $100-150 for a couple of years before their prices more than doubled recently. I still think they're by far the best bang for the buck for upgrading older platforms.
Sometimes it pays to do the math. Matching the GOAT against the joke was always going to be funny.
the 1080ti can actually trade blows with a 3060 12gb (and is even faster than it in some tests) amazing how well pascal has held up
But its also the top of the line GPU from that era versus a somewhat bottomline GPU of todays era.
The 3090 and 4090 will also be extremly powerfull in 10 years time. Hell, the 3070 and 3070TI still holds up amazing after soon to be 4 years.
@@rickardsvensson7097 thing is, the 1080ti still holds up because its an amazing card. the 3090 and 4090 will hold up well because, well as amazing as they are we arent getting the same amount of progress over time
The only issue with the old Pascal based cards is the bad DX12 implementation. With Pascal based cards you have a lot more frametime issues compared to similar fast more modern gpus.
The raw performance is still impressive. I can't really remember that we had ever a time that a card was so fast that it is still relevant ~8 years after it's release.
I don't get why the 1080 was so hyped. I had the 1660 Ti and that was not nearly playable 1080p high settings, like the 2060. I fast moved on to the 3060 Ti and never regretted it
This is so helpful! I am in the process of upgrading mostly everything, but am running with this Titan X for the time being. It's been pretty solid!
I was thinking of maybe a 3080 or 3090 down the road, which is fine for what I do. But I was also curious about a 3050, so this gives me some insight.
1080ti user here. I bought 2 from CeX, one was a blower style and one was a Palit 2-fan model. I sent back the blower style and have been using this Palit 1080ti ever since 😁