I personally believe that the purpose of the Archon war and the division of the gnoses was to give humans protectors while the Primordial one, a Progenitor God hailing from beyond the stars took their power nap. The gnoses were given to the winners of the Archon war, the ones who showed their combat prowess and their resolve to protect their region. Not only that, but each original archon we've seen so far cares deeply about humanity and their ambitions. The Archon war was for Celestia to see which of the hundreds, or even thousands of Gods could protect the people. The Weaker ones would be purged of flee, while the ones who survived were rewarded with power and status. I do believe that the secondary reason of the War was to subtract from the God race as well, because of their numbers and strength, they could prove to be predatory to Humankind. As well as the fact that if the gnoses were given out before the war, the rewarded gods, if killed, would destroy the divine seat of their respective element. ...Thank you for coming to my ted talk
"the Primordial one, a Progenitor God hailing from beyond the stars " AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH DUDE. this is a good take and it makes sense, although im curious what if an evil god had won through sheer power? Zhongli said of the original 7 that thyre goal was to guide humanity, but that with the new archons that was no longer the case. Im curious if an archons views on matter has any bearing on whether thy can hold the position.
Decarabian wasn't a bad ruler, he foresaw the bloodshed that the Archon war would bring and so he turned his kingdom into an inpenetrable fortress to protect his people, but over generations, his people forgot that the walls of storm were supposed to keep other nations out and thought they were to keep them in.
Egeria was probably tailor-made for the role that’s why she didn’t have to fight any other god. I don’t remember where but it is written that she was made by the primordial one? From materials entirely from teyvat so she could be the host of the heart of the primordial sea, so it wouldn’t be reincarnated into a dragon, that’s why after egeria died neuvillette was born because he is/has the heart of the primordial sea, iirc. So it was basically nepotism
It was also in the Fontaine wind glider that she was created by the shade of life. I think she was definitely made for the role and the line in the glider “Or was it merely the opening act of a string of dark plots?” Is hinting that the heavenly principles had a plan from the start
The text is ambiguous for a reason. lets not forget egeria was born with no divine duty whatsoever and later became a god either due to peoples desires, or because of a "dark plot". She was principally created to act as a heart for the primordial sea because they hydro sovereign died.
I have a gut feeling that the original god of teyvat ,aka primordial one or shades is long dead or conserving energy. And at the end of the game ,we(travelers) will fight heavenly principle along side primordial one. I assume primordial one becames our friend and helps us to fight susty. It is also possible that paimon is primordial one. Or a shade of primordial one.
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Anime which we don't have news for a couple years now. Actually, it's kinda weird how little transmedia we have from Genshin. With such popularity it should have made more projects happen.
The most probable explanation as to why the Archon war happened is that Celestia wanted to weed out the Weak and Malevolent Gods who wish ill upon Humanity. We can infer this based on which Gods did and didn't become Archons. Andrius didn't become an Archon even though he fought Decarabian fir the throne because as he puts it, he only cared for wolves and those abandoned by society, not for all humanity. While Venti was the only Deity left who cared for Humans' well being, so he became an Archon. Havria and Guizhong were both Benevolent Gods, but they were very weak, so they didn't. While Zhongli was strong from the start, he didn't become the Archon until after he learned to care for Humanity from Guizhong, not until he stopped fighting other Gods for power and started fighting them to protect the Harbour he founded with Guizhong did he become fit for Archonship.
Very interesting video. I really love your theory videos because they are genuienly entertaining, not too long and drawn out and are so informative. Keep doing what you doing. ❤👏
You're the only who will know who the Three Descenders will be based on... I've read the webtoon since the game came out and this flew by my head. It's so convenient that Barbatos only mentioned Three Primeval Ones. What gave it away is the 3rd Descender. 1st Descender: Giant Ymir, "The brain of the Giant Ymir became the clouds." - Barbatos 2nd Descender: Pangu, "Gave his blood to form rivers and the seas." - Barbatos 3rd Descender: Purusha, "The Gods sacrificed Purusha and cut his body to pieces... And fashioned all living beings with those parts." - Barbatos
I think Celestia might just be a fallen heaven or a failed heaven. In the past prior to the age of gods, there seems to have been an angelic structure with different floors of heaven, with the Seelie at the bottom rung and the moon sisters higher up the ladder. I think this fell and once, and this was the catalyst for the current order as we know it possibly.
Good theory, but it makes me curious who is the current ruler of teyvat. Because unknown god is servant to heavenly principle. And we know very little about heaven principle. Could it be primordial one or rules established by third descender.
wasent really a conflict of gods though, which is what I think the archon war to be. that was just remus going mad from the prophecy and targeting lochfolk for some weird reason which caused scylla to step in
I assume there's supposed to be a lot more gods we never hear about that played a minor role and were beaten - like Havria. I don't think it makes any sense to interpret the Deshret lines as Celestia offering him a gnosis. And contra Nahida I don't think the "laws" caused the wars, at least not directly. Rather the gods ambitions were the cause. They fought because they wanted to dominate. Havria was an exception and Zhongli notes that her strategy didn't save her. Now you could say the "laws" created the gods to be ambitious that way. Had the gods just agreed not to fight they wouldn't have needed to fight. Simple as that.
But can we really say that? until we can pin point the exact start of the archon war we dont really know why they fought. With that said scarmouche would agree with you as he called a god who doesnt seek power (nahida) a first.
Well the upper limit is the birth of the gods which as far as I can see happens just after the war with the 2nd throne, perhaps 8000 years ago. On this reading gods naturally fight each other and there's no need to artificially promote an Archon war. The lower limit is taken as 3700 ears ago because of the fall of Guili is assumed to be part of the Archon wars. But it feels like there ought to have been a lot more fighting before then even. The Guyun series of weapon upgrades say all gods (including defeated 'evil" gods who fled to Dark Sea) wanted to control a group of humans for the purposes of expressing their ideal. Orobashi's thoughts seem to suggest in the end he had to abandon his humans because he couldn't fight either Zhongli or Ei but when he finds a group of humans outside of those gods territories he's happy to lead them. In as much as he doesn't fight it feels like Orobashi knows he's being bad somehow. When he surfaces he does fight but it's passed off as suiciding because of the forbidden Enkanomiyan knowledge. So we don't know if Ei would have attacked him anyway. We don't get the perspective of gods who attack because we're given the sympathetic picture of all the survivors. The closest is why does Andrius constantly attack Decarabian instead of being chill about things as he is for Venti? This may have been a special case since Andrius uniquely says he doesn't care about (leading) humans. Havria is known to have avoided war but was attacked again and again anyway. Was this for territory? Was this for her humans? Or was it out of pure aggression against the god? It seems like she was willing to give up resources to not fight but is that true? if it is true then the only goal of attacking her seems to be to kill her specifically like some sort of Highlander "there can only be one" thing. But she didn't do as Orobashi did and abandon her humans and flee to the Dark Sea. So was the human tribe the one resource she refused to give up? Is the Archon war over the resource of humans which gods need somehow? Why can't they all just live in peace? it seems it's possible and OK by Celestia. The stuff about Makoto having to kill Ei is bs based on a book Ei says is wrong. We know Zhongli didn't have to kill Guoba and presumably it wasn't him that killed Guizhong as was an early theory. The three in Sumeru didn't feel the need to kill each other (although GoF wasn't a god and the other two did separate geographically). Since the war seems optional to some degree the gods themselves must choose to fight to the same degree. Whoever fought Havria did so voluntarily and presumably if we pretend Zhongli wasn't aggressive, they then had to attack Zhongli and lose. Gods do vary in aggression. Still it's odd Havria didn't just say "I'll join with Zhongli" to survive and that such arrangements were (so says Soraya) rare. So it seems that just joining an alliance didn't satisfy whatever itch Havria felt that Orobashi could give up on and run away and it cost Havria her life. On the surface she's giving away resources for peace but in fact there's some core resource she won't give up and it's her people. I think if she joins an alliance it means she doesn't get to keep her people? So she assumes Zhongli would demand her people join his under his rules and not hers which seems the arrangement with Guoba. But perhaps the rare thing with Guizhong is that they didn't have the same arrangement? Were the humans divided still between Guizhong and Zhongli? or was Guizhong simply a subordinate like Guoba? In Sumeru neither Deshret not Nahida were subordinates of the other but rather they ruled different parts of Sumeru. More of a non-aggression pact? Does Soraya mean Zhongli-Guizhong was more than a non-aggression pact or one god subordinate to the other? I don't see anywhere gods are forced to fight by Celestia except with Orobashi suiciding - which feels like a different thing. If Andrius vs Decarabian was forced then wouldn't Andrius be compelled to fight Venti next? To me the Archon war is because gods like fighting - some of them anyway - over the resource of humans because gods like leading humans. @@DawitsLookingforEmilia
I think they were gradually forced to fight(?) The Guili Assembly never wanted to take part of the war, I think they were implied to just protect own civilization. However, Guizhong died. Morax created Liyue Harbor 10 days after and it was said after that, he finally participated in Archon War. Because that is the only way to protect the people and adepti following him.
So we know who started all this right the heavenly principles. They fought against an unknown terf. Won. The dragons or jelly. They tried to use some unknown power to win. They may have weakened the principles. But still lost. Then the second and third who came is such a blur to me since we don’t know what exactly happen. Sounds like some betrayel stuff happened to me man.
I mean when you talk to her at the Inn she says stuff like wow oh gosh it's so interesting that in Guili plains TWO gods co-operated together and that's so unheard of. WTF? THREE gods did the same thing in Sumeru why are you acting so surprised??? @@DawitsLookingforEmilia
I have a feeling the genshin will end The 2 siblings will fight the celestia and they wont be able to defeat them neither the achons can but the siblings will ask the peoples and gods of teyvat to lend their strength (just like goku using spirit bomb)
Well, if the Gnoses are *SPOILER* the remains of the Third Descender and they act as a curse on the wielder *END SPOILER* could it be it was meant to avoid anyone from breaking through the eggshell? The only ones who are powerful enough are the category of people called Allogenes, that at some point become gods, either because they were born dragons or half dragons, or pure elemental energy etc... or because they can somehow ascend to godhood. So those people are powerful enough to maybe represent a threat to the laws of Teyvat. Those laws are the order by which Phanes establishes his own ruling onto the world. But we know that Phanes changed the natural order of Teyvat and for this, Teyvat runs in a loop, (both things are from Neuvillette carachter story and Sumeru's archon quest's trailer). So what if the Archon war served as a mean to control the strongest most determined gods of the world and in the meantime make them kill each other? This way, Phanes would have a servant that is bound to the laws of this world all while thinking he's acting as a ruler of it. Of course it didn't go as planned for the heavenly principles.
The fact is, that Scaramouche was fortunate to have missed out on that opportunity. Lil bro wouldn't have made it. 😂
Fr😂 and we never had got that fkin flying drone
I personally believe that the purpose of the Archon war and the division of the gnoses was to give humans protectors while the Primordial one, a Progenitor God hailing from beyond the stars took their power nap. The gnoses were given to the winners of the Archon war, the ones who showed their combat prowess and their resolve to protect their region. Not only that, but each original archon we've seen so far cares deeply about humanity and their ambitions. The Archon war was for Celestia to see which of the hundreds, or even thousands of Gods could protect the people. The Weaker ones would be purged of flee, while the ones who survived were rewarded with power and status. I do believe that the secondary reason of the War was to subtract from the God race as well, because of their numbers and strength, they could prove to be predatory to Humankind. As well as the fact that if the gnoses were given out before the war, the rewarded gods, if killed, would destroy the divine seat of their respective element. ...Thank you for coming to my ted talk
"the Primordial one, a Progenitor God hailing from beyond the stars " AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH DUDE.
this is a good take and it makes sense, although im curious what if an evil god had won through sheer power? Zhongli said of the original 7 that thyre goal was to guide humanity, but that with the new archons that was no longer the case. Im curious if an archons views on matter has any bearing on whether thy can hold the position.
Decarabian wasn't a bad ruler, he foresaw the bloodshed that the Archon war would bring and so he turned his kingdom into an inpenetrable fortress to protect his people, but over generations, his people forgot that the walls of storm were supposed to keep other nations out and thought they were to keep them in.
Egeria was probably tailor-made for the role that’s why she didn’t have to fight any other god. I don’t remember where but it is written that she was made by the primordial one? From materials entirely from teyvat so she could be the host of the heart of the primordial sea, so it wouldn’t be reincarnated into a dragon, that’s why after egeria died neuvillette was born because he is/has the heart of the primordial sea, iirc. So it was basically nepotism
It was also in the Fontaine wind glider that she was created by the shade of life. I think she was definitely made for the role and the line in the glider “Or was it merely the opening act of a string of dark plots?” Is hinting that the heavenly principles had a plan from the start
The text is ambiguous for a reason. lets not forget egeria was born with no divine duty whatsoever and later became a god either due to peoples desires, or because of a "dark plot". She was principally created to act as a heart for the primordial sea because they hydro sovereign died.
I have a gut feeling that the original god of teyvat ,aka primordial one or shades is long dead or conserving energy. And at the end of the game ,we(travelers) will fight heavenly principle along side primordial one. I assume primordial one becames our friend and helps us to fight susty. It is also possible that paimon is primordial one. Or a shade of primordial one.
last we heard he was severely hurt so there is that
The Archon War is such a great event that barely has context on the game.
i lowkey wonder if its because they wanna cover it in the anime
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Anime which we don't have news for a couple years now. Actually, it's kinda weird how little transmedia we have from Genshin. With such popularity it should have made more projects happen.
dude ur little cheeky laugh gets me everytime 😂
The most probable explanation as to why the Archon war happened is that Celestia wanted to weed out the Weak and Malevolent Gods who wish ill upon Humanity. We can infer this based on which Gods did and didn't become Archons.
Andrius didn't become an Archon even though he fought Decarabian fir the throne because as he puts it, he only cared for wolves and those abandoned by society, not for all humanity.
While Venti was the only Deity left who cared for Humans' well being, so he became an Archon.
Havria and Guizhong were both Benevolent Gods, but they were very weak, so they didn't.
While Zhongli was strong from the start, he didn't become the Archon until after he learned to care for Humanity from Guizhong, not until he stopped fighting other Gods for power and started fighting them to protect the Harbour he founded with Guizhong did he become fit for Archonship.
Very interesting video. I really love your theory videos because they are genuienly entertaining, not too long and drawn out and are so informative. Keep doing what you doing. ❤👏
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You're the only who will know who the Three Descenders will be based on... I've read the webtoon since the game came out and this flew by my head.
It's so convenient that Barbatos only mentioned Three Primeval Ones. What gave it away is the 3rd Descender.
1st Descender: Giant Ymir, "The brain of the Giant Ymir became the clouds." - Barbatos
2nd Descender: Pangu, "Gave his blood to form rivers and the seas." - Barbatos
3rd Descender: Purusha, "The Gods sacrificed Purusha and cut his body to pieces... And fashioned all living beings with those parts." - Barbatos
Gave me chillssss. And it was revealed that Gnosis are remains of the third descender..
I think Celestia might just be a fallen heaven or a failed heaven. In the past prior to the age of gods, there seems to have been an angelic structure with different floors of heaven, with the Seelie at the bottom rung and the moon sisters higher up the ladder. I think this fell and once, and this was the catalyst for the current order as we know it possibly.
Good theory, but it makes me curious who is the current ruler of teyvat. Because unknown god is servant to heavenly principle. And we know very little about heaven principle. Could it be primordial one or rules established by third descender.
the current ruler is like 70% still the Primordial One id bet
Wasn't Fontaine's Archon War basically just Remuria vs Scylla, the Lochknights and a bunch of pre-Fontainian tribes?
wasent really a conflict of gods though, which is what I think the archon war to be. that was just remus going mad from the prophecy and targeting lochfolk for some weird reason which caused scylla to step in
What if the bird in Diluc’s Idle Animation is Vanessa?
nah vanessa is the falcon of the west. for reference the other 4 winds are dvalin whose the dragon of the east and andrius whose the wolf of the north
Is it possible that Varka is the lion? As he is the grandmaster
I assume there's supposed to be a lot more gods we never hear about that played a minor role and were beaten - like Havria.
I don't think it makes any sense to interpret the Deshret lines as Celestia offering him a gnosis.
And contra Nahida I don't think the "laws" caused the wars, at least not directly. Rather the gods ambitions were the cause. They fought because they wanted to dominate. Havria was an exception and Zhongli notes that her strategy didn't save her. Now you could say the "laws" created the gods to be ambitious that way. Had the gods just agreed not to fight they wouldn't have needed to fight. Simple as that.
But can we really say that? until we can pin point the exact start of the archon war we dont really know why they fought. With that said scarmouche would agree with you as he called a god who doesnt seek power (nahida) a first.
Well the upper limit is the birth of the gods which as far as I can see happens just after the war with the 2nd throne, perhaps 8000 years ago. On this reading gods naturally fight each other and there's no need to artificially promote an Archon war. The lower limit is taken as 3700 ears ago because of the fall of Guili is assumed to be part of the Archon wars. But it feels like there ought to have been a lot more fighting before then even.
The Guyun series of weapon upgrades say all gods (including defeated 'evil" gods who fled to Dark Sea) wanted to control a group of humans for the purposes of expressing their ideal. Orobashi's thoughts seem to suggest in the end he had to abandon his humans because he couldn't fight either Zhongli or Ei but when he finds a group of humans outside of those gods territories he's happy to lead them.
In as much as he doesn't fight it feels like Orobashi knows he's being bad somehow. When he surfaces he does fight but it's passed off as suiciding because of the forbidden Enkanomiyan knowledge. So we don't know if Ei would have attacked him anyway.
We don't get the perspective of gods who attack because we're given the sympathetic picture of all the survivors. The closest is why does Andrius constantly attack Decarabian instead of being chill about things as he is for Venti? This may have been a special case since Andrius uniquely says he doesn't care about (leading) humans.
Havria is known to have avoided war but was attacked again and again anyway. Was this for territory? Was this for her humans? Or was it out of pure aggression against the god? It seems like she was willing to give up resources to not fight but is that true? if it is true then the only goal of attacking her seems to be to kill her specifically like some sort of Highlander "there can only be one" thing. But she didn't do as Orobashi did and abandon her humans and flee to the Dark Sea. So was the human tribe the one resource she refused to give up? Is the Archon war over the resource of humans which gods need somehow?
Why can't they all just live in peace? it seems it's possible and OK by Celestia. The stuff about Makoto having to kill Ei is bs based on a book Ei says is wrong. We know Zhongli didn't have to kill Guoba and presumably it wasn't him that killed Guizhong as was an early theory. The three in Sumeru didn't feel the need to kill each other (although GoF wasn't a god and the other two did separate geographically).
Since the war seems optional to some degree the gods themselves must choose to fight to the same degree. Whoever fought Havria did so voluntarily and presumably if we pretend Zhongli wasn't aggressive, they then had to attack Zhongli and lose. Gods do vary in aggression. Still it's odd Havria didn't just say "I'll join with Zhongli" to survive and that such arrangements were (so says Soraya) rare. So it seems that just joining an alliance didn't satisfy whatever itch Havria felt that Orobashi could give up on and run away and it cost Havria her life. On the surface she's giving away resources for peace but in fact there's some core resource she won't give up and it's her people. I think if she joins an alliance it means she doesn't get to keep her people? So she assumes Zhongli would demand her people join his under his rules and not hers which seems the arrangement with Guoba. But perhaps the rare thing with Guizhong is that they didn't have the same arrangement? Were the humans divided still between Guizhong and Zhongli? or was Guizhong simply a subordinate like Guoba? In Sumeru neither Deshret not Nahida were subordinates of the other but rather they ruled different parts of Sumeru. More of a non-aggression pact? Does Soraya mean Zhongli-Guizhong was more than a non-aggression pact or one god subordinate to the other?
I don't see anywhere gods are forced to fight by Celestia except with Orobashi suiciding - which feels like a different thing.
If Andrius vs Decarabian was forced then wouldn't Andrius be compelled to fight Venti next?
To me the Archon war is because gods like fighting - some of them anyway - over the resource of humans because gods like leading humans.
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I think they were gradually forced to fight(?) The Guili Assembly never wanted to take part of the war, I think they were implied to just protect own civilization. However, Guizhong died. Morax created Liyue Harbor 10 days after and it was said after that, he finally participated in Archon War. Because that is the only way to protect the people and adepti following him.
Bro will burn out at this point 😭
im at absolute zero baby
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Help every time i open replies your reply is duplicating
He can't break the streak
what am i supposed to do about this lmfao@@TheUnintelligentOne
Why do people assume vanessa is that bird?
Fontaine never had archon war because egeria was the only god there from the beginning
have u read the manga?
Congrats on 500 videos dawit! I love how you take on and execute those theories, take care of yourself and have a good day!
aw thanks what kind words, u take care too :D
That’s a very good question.
im glad you think so sleeping toma
So we know who started all this right the heavenly principles. They fought against an unknown terf. Won. The dragons or jelly. They tried to use some unknown power to win. They may have weakened the principles. But still lost. Then the second and third who came is such a blur to me since we don’t know what exactly happen. Sounds like some betrayel stuff happened to me man.
could be. war with the second who came changed alot man it really did
Did you know that the archon war was actually made for Xiao because he needed to be in a endless battle against the old gods malice
yes all for xiao
When we get to Celestia will we get playable characters from Celestia(if Columbia and Paimon are the shades of death and time then other than them)
i mean sustainer is kiana is ya
Soraya? The woman from Sumeru who says she can't think of another time when more than one god allied together for security? From SUMERU???
are u racist to the people of sumeru lmfao
I mean when you talk to her at the Inn she says stuff like wow oh gosh it's so interesting that in Guili plains TWO gods co-operated together and that's so unheard of.
WTF? THREE gods did the same thing in Sumeru why are you acting so surprised???
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia
Or maybe they were just bored lmao that seems to be an ongoing thing in some of this game's lore. "Just fuck around and find out"
hell of a way to kill bordedom ill give em that
He's cooking again
think so father hat?
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia most definitely
I want to experience the Archon War
I have a feeling the genshin will end
The 2 siblings will fight the celestia and they wont be able to defeat them neither the achons can but the siblings will ask the peoples and gods of teyvat to lend their strength (just like goku using spirit bomb)
interesting mental image
Well, if the Gnoses are *SPOILER* the remains of the Third Descender and they act as a curse on the wielder *END SPOILER* could it be it was meant to avoid anyone from breaking through the eggshell? The only ones who are powerful enough are the category of people called Allogenes, that at some point become gods, either because they were born dragons or half dragons, or pure elemental energy etc... or because they can somehow ascend to godhood. So those people are powerful enough to maybe represent a threat to the laws of Teyvat. Those laws are the order by which Phanes establishes his own ruling onto the world. But we know that Phanes changed the natural order of Teyvat and for this, Teyvat runs in a loop, (both things are from Neuvillette carachter story and Sumeru's archon quest's trailer). So what if the Archon war served as a mean to control the strongest most determined gods of the world and in the meantime make them kill each other? This way, Phanes would have a servant that is bound to the laws of this world all while thinking he's acting as a ruler of it. Of course it didn't go as planned for the heavenly principles.
then it very well could be this war was done to bring the gods to a more controllable level
@@DawitsLookingforEmilia To subject them to the rule of this world, yes. That probably wasn't the case up to some point, idk.
King Desh-rat
Scara is so dumb he too weak to even do anything lol
Madam ping playable when?
i wanted her to be playable first dammit
You are the best
no u are
Archon are selfish, vain, narcissist
amen
1:33 venti be saying the n word for every kill he gets.
lmfao
I think the descending was that morax didn’t interfere with humanity until that point