Really nice seeing this topic being touched upon a bit more in depth, great guide as always! I got a few additions though: As one person mentioned already , Swoobat being able to Super Fang makes it really great. Also, keep in mind that on the turn you are tricking the Assault Gear onto the alpha, it can go for a status move as the Assault Gear does not take effect on a status move already selected. (had that happen on the alpha mantine shown in the video, it went for Aqua Ring as I tricked Assault Gear) If the Alpha doesnt have any healing moves, you can also trick the Lagging Tail to ensure the alpha always attacks last. This way, skill swapping becomes optional as you dont have to worry about the alpha outspeeding your breloom after flipping its stats. Secondly, and this is really a game changer: Spinda learns Seismic Toss. You would be surprised how useful Seismic Toss is instead of waiting for Spinda to faint. Also, a surprising amount of Alphas have more than 200 hp, making seismic toss a real gem at weakening the alpha very quickly. I think with those additional things in mind, this is a team that can catch basically any alpha without problems and even if you later on arrive at a point of having a lot of alts, where time becomes your ressource in place of consistency, and thus a different strat being more efficient, having this team in the back will be very helpful.
@@lucassykimprobably the love ball Strat but it requires you to go for pnk apricorns every 6 hrs , preferably on alts too cuz you only get 3 per acc per 6 hrs
Finally an updated version, I had a lot of problems with alphas who heal hahaha, as always, excellent video dude ! Thanks for always keeping us up with the best strats for everything, you the goat!
Yes this is a good option too! I usually find my golbat is more than enough super fanging so I find healing wish quicker but whatever works for you is good!
Thanks for this! I tried to make them go indignant multiple times in a bunch of tests but never got it to work so I assumed it was a one and done. Thanks for clarifying!
@@JinxedBoon I think it's a random chance after they're at -3, hence sometimes immediately changing and others you getting to -6 and it still not going Indignant. I think I've had it happen 3 times, but could be misremembering.
I'd like to note that if you're catching alphas for profit its usually ~500k/h using this team. This includes the money spent for timer/net balls and candies received. I have caught over 1100 alphas over 6 alts to test this method.
This was a great guide. When I started playing I started going after alphas with whatever high level mons (with one to use hypnosis) I had and went to it. I caught about 25 like this, usuing ultra balls and occasionally great balls, but usually would get killed and have to reset everything. The worst was the alpha vaporeon which kept me at it for over 40 minutes. Now that Im done all the regions Im starting this team build tonight. Thanks!
Hello ! Thank you for your videos ! I have a few notes for you and your community since I've catched them quite a lot with a very very similar technique ! Team Leader: Cute charm ( Wigglytuff/ Jigglypuff have access to "Sing" which is nice to use to hard swap to Spinda !) (we need to identify which alpha it is and I put them in different categories) A: PVP/PVE(farm) pokemons: If the pokemon is used in pvp or pve with hidden ability, price of female will be equivalent to male price (even higher with right Iv's/Nature) B: Genderless: if the pokemon is genederless, you don't care about the gender... C: Breeders are those who are not very popular pvp or pve pokemons: price of female will be way lower than price of males (price of male is set according to egg group, Ivs/Nature) So if the pokemon is a breeder(3), I always bring a cute charm pokemon to make it Male more often. If the pokemon heals, you prefer loponny to switcheroo. Spinda: I actually have a Jolly 4x31 spinda (no need for spe attack/Attack) Having some bulk lets you use flash once or twice before Skill Swap, so you have evasion for all your team, not only Breloom Before dying with spinda, I ALWAYS try to throw a basic pokeball that will 100% make him -1 for every stat. If the Alpha is Not Bug/ Water, I take smeargle to the team just after Spinda Just Spore and Soak (or soak and spore if the alpha is plant) Try to hard swap just after a spore or let it die Golbat: ye, just spam superfang until the alpha has close to 1hp bulk make it wayyy easier for breloom to false swipe only once. It's only when the Alpha is 1Hp AND asleepp that I theow Netball/Dreamball/Timerball to make him +6 the latest possible when +6 everywhere, you can haze with murkrow and go back to breloom or smergle if still alive or any other pokemon who can make the alpha sleep
Great video dude 100% , small thing , ive seen alphas go indignant multiple times in a single fight many many many many times now , its not something that can only happen once so you might want a revivie for your murkrow.
Thanks for pointing this out! I tried a few times to make it happen multiple times with no luck before the pokeball just caught them. Shouldn't be a problem, but not a bad idea to have revives on hand just in case!
I trick lagging tail with spinda if he doesnt get ohko, so i dont just die when alpha goes +max speed/attack. Allows you to keep spore/sub with breloom until pp out
If you need just Soak on smeargle why not use a golduck it has Damp ability too. (When strictly using for Soak) Love your vids man, gonna get a breloom of my own.
@@shadow1802 definitely! Any soak mon with speed works, I just highlight the soak smeargle because it's a very standard pokemon that most people already have.
as a funny meme i taught my spinda trick and put a focus sash on it so now if it survives i throw the sash at the alpha and hit it with a super effective move to "one shot" it to 1 hp XD but its not very reliable, but that golbat strat seems pretty cool ill have to try it
Good video, i didnt play lately, but my strat was this simple: 2 Nidoqueens/kings level 70-100 whit Superfang, when the alfa life is low, Brelom to falseSwipe and Spore, use dreamballs if is sleeping, if not, Turnball, and if the pokemon is Plant tipe, i go whit another whit Sing or Hypnosis. i use to catch very alfas in the 1º ball.
I would use another Super Fang user in stead of Golbat. In my team I use Nidoqueen because Nidoqueen is also able to learn Swagger and Flatter to lower the Alpha's attack/sp. attack even more before sending out a false swiper!
Whatever works for you! I like golbat because it is the tankiest so you kill the most turns for timer balls! Just be careful with swagger because confusion can kill it but if you are careful it can be a good option
@DJRex- good call on seismic toss! I don't think the focus sash is necessary though and would just waste money imo since the spinda will even outspeed an alpha jolteon with 31 speed and +speed nature (240 speed vs 235 speed vs a level 72 jolteon which is highest wild level)
Yes! Quagmire is a great option but I just found it wasn't as consistent since he is a little slower. Great use for a shiny one if you have one though!
@@dragontamer561 that's insane! I purposely tried to force a second indignant all month while making this video and couldn't get it on any alpha, even spamming regular pokeballs. Good to know though!
Drain punch could be a problem but I haven't seen it yet personally. Multi hit moves haven't done enough damage for it to matter in my experience since luckily, cloyster's don't have icicle spear! Sound based moves are annoying as well but again, haven't wiped me yet but it could lead to an issue. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a 100% solution to all of these however this strat will cover the vast majority of cases!
I've gone to so many swarms and still haven't found an alpha, any tips on finding them? I try to step on every tile in the area in case it is like a visual glitch but there is only ever the regular pokemon.
@indubitably01 there are regular swarms and alpha swarms but they are separate things. You need to find one that says alpha swarm if you want to find an alpha!
@@dernacherzaehler luckily I rarely used net balls for alphas in this video. I still recommend soak for the other 2 reasons mentioned and also recommend the other ball, as stated in the video
@@JinxedBoon Yeah i agree to dreamball and timerball. If you very lucky at the start quickball (this way i caugh all my Alphas, Quickball/ resett/ try again) Thank you for this video. It opem my eyes.
Spinda strat is no longer relevant in catching alpha,, 100% for me. If you worrying about having indignant alpha that can outspeed your breloom, simply use hidden ability sableye (prankster) holding lagging tail and the move trick. With lagging tail in the alpha, even if they're on the +6 speed; they'll go last. Uh oh, I already use trick assault gear, they can't hold 2 items right??? Simply use sableye with the ability stall holding focus sash and move skill swap. Your sableye will not be knocked out since you hold focus sash and will successfully swap the ability stall to the alpha. Now the alpha will always move last with the ability stall. These mon doesn't need to be ev trained and/or on 100 level. So it pretty cheap. =)
@PSTLV but what happens when you run into a healing alpha with a low catch rate? This was my issue that this strat addressed. Like I mentioned in the video, I ended up in an almost 30 min battle with a milotic because of the healing. If there is a simple solution to both healing and indignant, why not use it?
@@JinxedBoon yeah you can use assault gear trick, which mean still no need to use spinda. You can skill swap stall sableye if the alpha already tricked with assault gear and you don't need to use haze mon since their boosting stat is now irrelevant. The remaining slot can be used for better utility for example grudge to drain pp' to zero (for example multi hit move, drain punch). Anyway I have 33 alt character to catch alpha :>
@shintatsukobayashi4636 yeah swoobat is a great option! I find I never need more super fangs than my goldbat can do but whatever works for you is good!
@@JinxedBoon thanks man! at the time i didn't know if it mattered so i bought one off the gtl that had great IVs now im thinking i should just breed it w ditto to get globat instead lol
its funny youi mention surf and waterfall, they arent neccesary if you have ocarina, but i use those moves on masquerain as well as soak and ice bean for leading into alphas with intimidate
Yeah I specifically said "if you don't have the ocarina". Masquerain is a great option too! Really, any soak pokemon works. I think most people just already have a soak smeargle which is why I suggested that one
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Really nice seeing this topic being touched upon a bit more in depth, great guide as always!
I got a few additions though:
As one person mentioned already , Swoobat being able to Super Fang makes it really great. Also, keep in mind that on the turn you are tricking the Assault Gear onto the alpha, it can go for a status move as the Assault Gear does not take effect on a status move already selected. (had that happen on the alpha mantine shown in the video, it went for Aqua Ring as I tricked Assault Gear)
If the Alpha doesnt have any healing moves, you can also trick the Lagging Tail to ensure the alpha always attacks last. This way, skill swapping becomes optional as you dont have to worry about the alpha outspeeding your breloom after flipping its stats.
Secondly, and this is really a game changer: Spinda learns Seismic Toss. You would be surprised how useful Seismic Toss is instead of waiting for Spinda to faint. Also, a surprising amount of Alphas have more than 200 hp, making seismic toss a real gem at weakening the alpha very quickly.
I think with those additional things in mind, this is a team that can catch basically any alpha without problems and even if you later on arrive at a point of having a lot of alts, where time becomes your ressource in place of consistency, and thus a different strat being more efficient, having this team in the back will be very helpful.
@Watcha_ thanks for the extra tips! I'll definitely be adding seismic toss to my spinda! ❤️
@Watcha_ What strat would be considered adequately fast for multiple accounts?🤔
@@lucassykimprobably the love ball Strat but it requires you to go for pnk apricorns every 6 hrs , preferably on alts too cuz you only get 3 per acc per 6 hrs
Finally an updated version, I had a lot of problems with alphas who heal hahaha, as always, excellent video dude ! Thanks for always keeping us up with the best strats for everything, you the goat!
@riam7530 hope it works out well for you! I hate the healing alphas but haven't had any problems since I started using this!
If you prepoison your breloom before the fight then swap orb for leftovers you get more healing per turn with poison heal and leftovers stacking
That's super big brain stuff! Never even thought of that but I love it!
@JinxedBoon hardly big brain, one day i just thought, "hey, if i leave it poisoned and put leftovers on, does that mean moar heals??"😂
If you evolve Woobat into Swoobat it also have access to Superfang and doesn't lose Klutz to Trick the Assault Vest
Yes this is a good option too! I usually find my golbat is more than enough super fanging so I find healing wish quicker but whatever works for you is good!
Just a note on Indignant, it isn't a one and done thing, I've had it happen twice on multiple occasions.
Thanks for this! I tried to make them go indignant multiple times in a bunch of tests but never got it to work so I assumed it was a one and done. Thanks for clarifying!
@@JinxedBoon I think it's a random chance after they're at -3, hence sometimes immediately changing and others you getting to -6 and it still not going Indignant. I think I've had it happen 3 times, but could be misremembering.
"The reason I prefer Lopunny over Swoobat or Golurk, other than the obvious... 'assets.'"
... ... ... Okay.
Clutz lopunny actually really smart. I never thought that posibbiliity
I'd like to note that if you're catching alphas for profit its usually ~500k/h using this team. This includes the money spent for timer/net balls and candies received. I have caught over 1100 alphas over 6 alts to test this method.
@@MakeDawn01 alphas are crazy good money! Alts make them so profitable too
500k😂
I battled some alpha and its possible to get multiple indignation per battle ;)
This was a great guide. When I started playing I started going after alphas with whatever high level mons (with one to use hypnosis) I had and went to it. I caught about 25 like this, usuing ultra balls and occasionally great balls, but usually would get killed and have to reset everything. The worst was the alpha vaporeon which kept me at it for over 40 minutes. Now that Im done all the regions Im starting this team build tonight. Thanks!
Thank you! Good luck with it, hope it treats you well!
Hello ! Thank you for your videos !
I have a few notes for you and your community since I've catched them quite a lot with a very very similar technique !
Team Leader: Cute charm ( Wigglytuff/ Jigglypuff have access to "Sing" which is nice to use to hard swap to Spinda !)
(we need to identify which alpha it is and I put them in different categories)
A: PVP/PVE(farm) pokemons: If the pokemon is used in pvp or pve with hidden ability, price of female will be equivalent to male price (even higher with right Iv's/Nature)
B: Genderless: if the pokemon is genederless, you don't care about the gender...
C: Breeders are those who are not very popular pvp or pve pokemons: price of female will be way lower than price of males (price of male is set according to egg group, Ivs/Nature)
So if the pokemon is a breeder(3), I always bring a cute charm pokemon to make it Male more often.
If the pokemon heals, you prefer loponny to switcheroo.
Spinda: I actually have a Jolly 4x31 spinda (no need for spe attack/Attack)
Having some bulk lets you use flash once or twice before Skill Swap, so you have evasion for all your team, not only Breloom
Before dying with spinda, I ALWAYS try to throw a basic pokeball that will 100% make him -1 for every stat.
If the Alpha is Not Bug/ Water, I take smeargle to the team just after Spinda
Just Spore and Soak (or soak and spore if the alpha is plant)
Try to hard swap just after a spore or let it die
Golbat: ye, just spam superfang until the alpha has close to 1hp
bulk make it wayyy easier for breloom to false swipe only once.
It's only when the Alpha is 1Hp AND asleepp that I theow Netball/Dreamball/Timerball to make him +6 the latest possible
when +6 everywhere, you can haze with murkrow and go back to breloom or smergle if still alive or any other pokemon who can make the alpha sleep
Great video dude 100% , small thing , ive seen alphas go indignant multiple times in a single fight many many many many times now , its not something that can only happen once so you might want a revivie for your murkrow.
Thanks for pointing this out! I tried a few times to make it happen multiple times with no luck before the pokeball just caught them. Shouldn't be a problem, but not a bad idea to have revives on hand just in case!
I trick lagging tail with spinda if he doesnt get ohko, so i dont just die when alpha goes +max speed/attack. Allows you to keep spore/sub with breloom until pp out
@@Linnets that's not a bad strat but doesn't address healing alphas. The assault vest/haze strat addresses both and removes the rng of it getting ohko
Amazing guide, as always! 💛
Great video man keep up the good work
Id recommend swoobat as the klutz user. You dont have to invest in speed so make him tanky and he can also learn super fang.
@Jozai610 yeah swoobat is a great option too! I'm actually using one now since a friend gifted me a shiny one!
lopunny could also bring lagging tail instead of assault gear when there's no annoying status moves
If you need just Soak on smeargle why not use a golduck it has Damp ability too. (When strictly using for Soak) Love your vids man, gonna get a breloom of my own.
@@shadow1802 definitely! Any soak mon with speed works, I just highlight the soak smeargle because it's a very standard pokemon that most people already have.
Smeargle can also second as an additional Super Fang user
as a funny meme i taught my spinda trick and put a focus sash on it so now if it survives i throw the sash at the alpha and hit it with a super effective move to "one shot" it to 1 hp XD but its not very reliable, but that golbat strat seems pretty cool ill have to try it
@MrFatbard that works too! I prefer just putting the vest on them because recover and rest suck! Focus sash is a clever idea though!
Good video, i didnt play lately, but my strat was this simple: 2 Nidoqueens/kings level 70-100 whit Superfang, when the alfa life is low, Brelom to falseSwipe and Spore, use dreamballs if is sleeping, if not, Turnball, and if the pokemon is Plant tipe, i go whit another whit Sing or Hypnosis.
i use to catch very alfas in the 1º ball.
@kurteado thanks! Yeah that's similar to my old strat but there are so many with healing and suddenly it takes forever to try to catch those!
I would use another Super Fang user in stead of Golbat. In my team I use Nidoqueen because Nidoqueen is also able to learn Swagger and Flatter to lower the Alpha's attack/sp. attack even more before sending out a false swiper!
Whatever works for you! I like golbat because it is the tankiest so you kill the most turns for timer balls! Just be careful with swagger because confusion can kill it but if you are careful it can be a good option
Great vid. Super helpful
Btw you could run seismic toss on spinda it helps me get some dmg before dying
And focus band for extra rng
@DJRex- good call on seismic toss! I don't think the focus sash is necessary though and would just waste money imo since the spinda will even outspeed an alpha jolteon with 31 speed and +speed nature (240 speed vs 235 speed vs a level 72 jolteon which is highest wild level)
@@JinxedBoon its not the focus sash it's the focus band it's a diff item
@DJRex- ohh right that's not bad then. Just a little rng on if it works but still not necessary imo but whatever works for you!
I use a Sealeo with Yawn Rest Super fang and Encore for my eviolite tank. I eats damage all day then rests it off
Sealeo is an amazing choice! I was considering shunting one to replace golbat! Only issue is I would need a defog ocarina
This is an amazing video! Ill for sure start building some of these mons for personal use! Common Jinxed W
Thanks Cabbage! Hope they make your alpha catches easier ❤️
Wouldn't it be better to put Breloon's EVs in Atk and HP, changing greater sustainability?
Yes hp is a good option too! I just don't want to risk being outsped on spore so I went with speed to ensure I'm always faster
I like to use swagger after the skill swap on spinda just to get the easy -2att for a switch if the alpha is physical
@@johnd6980 interesting, have you ever found the confusion caused it to ko itself?
@@JinxedBoon no, the confusion damage is very little because of the lowered attack
@johnd6980 good idea! I heard seismic toss as a suggestion too so I'll give both a try!
Unawe pokemon + Haze pokemon also did great
Yes! Quagmire is a great option but I just found it wasn't as consistent since he is a little slower. Great use for a shiny one if you have one though!
You're the men!
FYI, I have once faced an alpha Dragonite that went indignant thrice in the same battle
@@dragontamer561 that's insane! I purposely tried to force a second indignant all month while making this video and couldn't get it on any alpha, even spamming regular pokeballs. Good to know though!
Morkrow can use focus sash to make use use Haze on hard swap
Tru, good call! I usually just save the money and sack swap but I'm cheap 😂
Just coming by to say I just purchased a Lopunny after watching this video... Turns out... It was your Lopunny lol. p.s. Thanks for EV training it!
Let's goo! Yeah I figured I'd throw some up since there isn't any others! Glad it could help
8:42 AYOO WHAAT
@@Ishaqimam400 I mean, am I wrong?
How do you handle Alphas with health draining move like drain punch / multi hit move / sound based move which bypasses sub ?
Drain punch could be a problem but I haven't seen it yet personally. Multi hit moves haven't done enough damage for it to matter in my experience since luckily, cloyster's don't have icicle spear! Sound based moves are annoying as well but again, haven't wiped me yet but it could lead to an issue. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a 100% solution to all of these however this strat will cover the vast majority of cases!
fyi the net ball was nerfed and soak/ditto transform strat no longer works
I don't really recommend net balls for alphas anyways. But yeah new dittos strats will be on the horizon!
"other than the obvious assets" AYOOOO LOL
Do you get the assault vest back?
@@1_2_Jango yes you do!
spinda still being used after nerf ? just got a breloom so thinking if i should get spinda too
@@Barz-l what nerf?
@@JinxedBoon i saw somewhere they made it so the pokemon will flip the stats at -6 to +6 or something
@@Barz-l oh yeah that's why murkrow is on the team
I've gone to so many swarms and still haven't found an alpha, any tips on finding them? I try to step on every tile in the area in case it is like a visual glitch but there is only ever the regular pokemon.
@indubitably01 there are regular swarms and alpha swarms but they are separate things. You need to find one that says alpha swarm if you want to find an alpha!
@@JinxedBoon ahhh thanks so much, I've been searching everywhere online, didn't realize there was a distinction
Crobat can learn Haze, will that do the job?
That should work! As long as you can swap into it safely, it should work fine!
Can anyone tell me what is the best ability for litwick please
What is it for?
It is for completing shinno
Soak and Netball doesn´t work anymore.
@@dernacherzaehler luckily I rarely used net balls for alphas in this video. I still recommend soak for the other 2 reasons mentioned and also recommend the other ball, as stated in the video
@@JinxedBoon Yeah i agree to dreamball and timerball. If you very lucky at the start quickball (this way i caugh all my Alphas, Quickball/ resett/ try again) Thank you for this video. It opem my eyes.
Jinxed !
Love ball strat >
Love balls are great! Just expensive imo. I usually have better luck with timer balls
Spinda strat is no longer relevant in catching alpha,, 100% for me. If you worrying about having indignant alpha that can outspeed your breloom, simply use hidden ability sableye (prankster) holding lagging tail and the move trick. With lagging tail in the alpha, even if they're on the +6 speed; they'll go last.
Uh oh, I already use trick assault gear, they can't hold 2 items right???
Simply use sableye with the ability stall holding focus sash and move skill swap. Your sableye will not be knocked out since you hold focus sash and will successfully swap the ability stall to the alpha. Now the alpha will always move last with the ability stall.
These mon doesn't need to be ev trained and/or on 100 level. So it pretty cheap. =)
@PSTLV but what happens when you run into a healing alpha with a low catch rate? This was my issue that this strat addressed. Like I mentioned in the video, I ended up in an almost 30 min battle with a milotic because of the healing. If there is a simple solution to both healing and indignant, why not use it?
@@JinxedBoon yeah you can use assault gear trick, which mean still no need to use spinda. You can skill swap stall sableye if the alpha already tricked with assault gear and you don't need to use haze mon since their boosting stat is now irrelevant. The remaining slot can be used for better utility for example grudge to drain pp' to zero (for example multi hit move, drain punch).
Anyway I have 33 alt character to catch alpha :>
@PSTLV oh I see what you are saying with the stall skill swap! Yeah that is a great option also that I hadn't thought of! Good find
I use Swoobat because it's fast and superfang
@shintatsukobayashi4636 yeah swoobat is a great option! I find I never need more super fangs than my goldbat can do but whatever works for you is good!
swoobat can usually put in 2-4 superfangs at most really good
will crobat work instead of globat?
@@ayoodannie yup! It will just go down quicker! Any super fang user works though
@@JinxedBoon thanks man! at the time i didn't know if it mattered so i bought one off the gtl that had great IVs now im thinking i should just breed it w ditto to get globat instead lol
@@ayoodannie ivs dont matter on either bat. superfang is just a whittling tool. if u hit more than 1 super fang it just saves ur time
As soon as I got done watching this I booted up pokemmo searched the gtl and bought YOUR lopunny for 130k. Lmao.
@@baumgard0869 haha I figured I would make a few for some people! Hope it works well for you!
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its funny youi mention surf and waterfall, they arent neccesary if you have ocarina, but i use those moves on masquerain as well as soak and ice bean for leading into alphas with intimidate
Yeah I specifically said "if you don't have the ocarina". Masquerain is a great option too! Really, any soak pokemon works. I think most people just already have a soak smeargle which is why I suggested that one
Nah, this team is bad
Why?