Great video! I now finally know how Micro fits into all of this. I can personally say that Seba Skates are still the same quality as before this whole mess.
Great vid. Nicely explained. I've become a big SEBA fan since getting into skating, I love their quality. Very happy to hear Sebastien is still involved so hopefully this quality will continue.
Thanks for explaining everything. Seba/FR Skates makes great products imo, I own several. But it has always bothered me that Seba/FR never tells us anything. Although they do answer when I ask them. I mean, their website has rarely been up to date and they never tell us anything about their products besides a picture. Like the sizing, materials used, upgrades from the previous version, and so on. They could really use a better marketing employee, because their products are great.
Thanks for this update. I had no idea it was like that. I was about to pick up a pair of their skates but glad i decided to hold off. won't be buying anything from micro
I know I'm a couple of days late. I saw this vid when you released, but hesitated to say anything until I did my own research. I wondered what was going on with Seba, but didn't know much at all about this situation and still feel like there is too little info out there. So I'll just say that I'm a fan of Seba and fully support what they've done for the skating scene. I have a few of their skates and they've all been great. Thanks for gathering some concise info on this subject.
Deez Skates to be honest 90% of this I’d already heard from “unnamed inside sources” but didn’t wanna be public about it until Sebastien or Greg said anything publicly. The comment below from the guy in Vietnam actually leads me to think it’s worse than I thought...
Great info, Man, thanks for clearing this up for us. I bought my Seba FR1s over a decade ago and they are still rolling well, using the same Seba twincam ILQ9 bearings I might add, despite the abuse they have taken! I've never regretted spending the money on them, simply because they perform and have lasted so well. I just hope these companies continue to produce quality skates, regardless of their branding.
Take the pun! Take the pun! :) I LOVE my Seba skates! I still have my 2017 model Seba FR1 skates. Man, this was such an excellent video. A real eye opener. I had heard so many rumors, but you have set the record straight and have made it very clear what has transpired. Kudos and happy skating to you my brother.
Thanks a lot for putting together all this information! I find this situation with Micro and Ricardo Lino quite funny. I remember that in one of his videos from some rollerblading exhibition he explicitly asked the Micro representative about why their skates look like copies of SEBA.
I missed all this drama. Good to know about Micro since I'm just picking a pair of skates out. FR, Seba and brands I grew up with like Rollerblade and K2 have so many great skates these days. Happy skating my dude!~
Thank you so much for this video! I'm new to inline skating and wanted to get new, hardboot skates but was so confused between what was going on with Seba/FR that I didn't want to get a pair of new skates anytime soon. I did read around reddit and other places that Seba wasn't making as high quality products anymore so i'm glad you cleared things up that that wasn't the case. Thanks again for the video.
NightBlueShade thanks for watching! I’m glad Seba is still in top form too-a lot of my favorite skates of theirs are still under the Seba brand name. I’d be really upset if I couldn’t get good quality Seba High Lights at some point 😂
At last an explanation, thank you. I was very surprised when I saw Ricardo's video from the Micro factory announcing that he was now working for them. I'd heard the rumours and decided to buy FR Skates FR1 310 rather than the Micro/Seba version. Support Sebastien.
@@CityBlades Thanks. I said Micro/Seba as was still a bit confused by it all but having watched the video again this morning ,with most of the wine having left my system, am more clued up. You have done a great job publicising Sebastien's posts and explaining them. I had been under the impression that the Micro factory manufactured Seba skates and were still doing so, which is why I bought FR's. It seems strange that he is now happy to endorse Seba and is actually working with them but it looks as though the legal action has paid off with new partners in place. Still, to have two companies producing identical products, e.g. FR1 310's, and selling them under different names will cause confusion for buyers for some time to come. Are skate shops going to stock identical boots from both Seba and FR? Will they be an identical price? There is a comment below from buttheadgsxr1000 saying that all skates apart from Bauer hockey skates and Powerslide (Trinity mount) are crap because they don't have the lower centre of gravity. I think most people would disagree with this but the point about getting wheels closer to the sole of the boot is a good one. I hope now the drain of legal action is over that FR (and Seba), can design their own system for this, without being sued by Powerslide for copying the Trinity mount.
yeah i don't really care much about ride height tbh... i skate 4x80 and have never had a frame that felt too tall, lol. From what I know Seba doesn't make Igors or FR's anymore, so those are solidly under the new FR brand. It's confusing now, but after all the back-stock has been sold out it'll be more clear
Insightful! I am not disappointed with my purchase of FR3 blades for my daughter now! She got the FR3's I wanted, seeing them, I am jealous lol! I can be a bit of a brand loyalist, but, I will opt fot the better product 1st. Within ethical lines that is, as so, you did mention. Glad to know, some of my dollars, went to the innovator that kicked it off! On another note, she gots the FR3's, so now, I been scoping Highlight Carbon V.2 for myself lol!
Hey great video and Excellent clarification! I have a pair of Micro Deltas and had heard of them being a the same design but didn't think they were a carbon copy. The Deltas are my 4th pair of skates. Following my most recent pair the Seba Trix 2 which were giving me a but of a hard time comfort wise so I use the Deltas because they're the most comfortable pair of skates I own so far.
Awesome video! Its sad to hear that money meant for skating had to go into legal expenses. Is their more details about the factories involved and their relationshop to micro?
Very interesting. Btw there is one big difference between Micro and some other random noname copies. The quality of their expensive slalom skates - it's on the same level as Seba. I know it because here in Russia a lot of top slalom skaters using Micro (and I mean not only guys sponsored by Micro). Some skaters use it as a secondary pair of skates, some as a main. So Micro skates tested by smth like a year of daily hardcore pro training. Personally I don't want to buy skates with stolen design (I own Seba, FE, Powerslide) but Micro is a very high quality fake Seba.
Between frx80 and seba e3 80 is there any difference, cause i have red both senarios, that they are similar or that frx are better but noone says the reason... do you know anything more specific aboute those two? Thanks ☺️
Thanks for clearing everything up. Too bad Sebastian didn't make these posts easier to find, but at least he said something definitive on the whole thing. Also, stoked that /u/professional_fart tapped you and gypsyblader to mod the joint after Travis took a step back. Y'all are good people.
For real SEBA was supposed to send me two new deluxe liners but I only received one so 9 still have that one liner still brand new I just needed two of them so I'm still in the same liners but man they are tore up
This is still confusing to me. I was about to buy SEBAs till i found out about all the drama so my question is this ... Is sebastien still involved in SEBA skates and in what extend ? Are SEBA 2019 models as good as the older models or not ? Are FR skates comparable to SEBA or are inferior skates because of different factories etc ? All these questions drive me away of those brands for a reason.
ΜΑΡΙΑ ΠΕΤΡΟΥ Seba is still great, you can buy with confidence. There’s a shop task employee in this comment section that verified all the new stuff is just as good as it was before all the drama. FR has issues with the first run but it’s all been recalled and fixed now. You can buy either brand with confidence
Well this is interesting. I was looking at the MS Delta, now wondering which model that is a copy of... On a different note, why can’t I find the FR FR2 80 anywhere (I’m a smaller size - 36)? I don’t see any 2021 models, either. I guess just everyone is behind schedule?
CrocAU other than the thumbs down, no. His current strategy seems to be sending them to youtubers who don’t skate slalom & thus can’t spot the copies immediately, can’t say how effective it has or hasn’t been
Awesome explanation about what's happening around all these brands. But as a fan of the well known skater who works for Micro, I think you're being a bit unfair. I can understand that if he has an opportunity to try sharing his knowledge and expertise on research and developing skates, why not work for Micro? This happens all the time. I also know another well known skater (I'm also a fan of his) who went from Powerslide to Flying Eagle and back to Powerslide and no one said anything about this. Yes, I do see Micro as copies of Seba skates but maybe it's just a matter of time and money they start innovating. They still have poor presence in Europe and customers know which way to go if they want to pay more or less on skates, depending on the quality they want or can afford. I think it's a good thing that the market opens up for other brands and if someone is enough impartial to give his opinion without being so influenced by a single brand, then it's something to appreciate. Thanks again for this video. Watched it a few times already before posting my comment 😊
Eh, I mean powerslide and FE don’t outright copy each other (minus the Ego branding) or try to get exclusive contracts with shops that carry one or the other... Greg and Sebastien are quite upset with the well known skater you like for a reason, and my experience with the guy has lead me to always... question his motives. Feel free to disagree, and have any opinion you’d like about any of this, I’ll always encourage that, BUT... from my perspective it’s “company that’s greasier than Scottish breakfast hires man who’s greasier than Scottish breakfast to convince skaters that theft and otherwise unethical business are what’s best for child skaters”... I mean the guy was making all the same arguments I was at that trade show prior to being hired by them, and a few dollars later it’s a totally different story? Come on, now...
Yes, I also agree with how upset Seba can be with all this and I'm with them, don't get me wrong here. I own a pair of Seba skates: FR1 and Trix 2. I guess unfortunately this can happen easier when sharing same factories who make shells. I think of all those scooter copies from Micro's but still customers should know which one provides the best quality. That's why my kids have Micro scooters. Regards from Spain!
@@CityBlades My bad! Its late over hear in Australia and I was falling asleep while reading the comments and somehow touched the screen and posted that! Lol. Don't mind me! Lol.
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Great video! I now finally know how Micro fits into all of this. I can personally say that Seba Skates are still the same quality as before this whole mess.
Shop Task great to hear confirmed from a source as credible as yourself :) I want High Light v2’s real bad, LOL
Great vid. Nicely explained. I've become a big SEBA fan since getting into skating, I love their quality. Very happy to hear Sebastien is still involved so hopefully this quality will continue.
same :)
I will not be purchasing any MICRO skates.
I will buy it for collection thou..
Boycott micro in my books. I ain't never gonna support dirty business dealings
This is wild! I was just searching about info on this! Thanks for the upload! Now to watch.
Thanks for explaining everything. Seba/FR Skates makes great products imo, I own several. But it has always bothered me that Seba/FR never tells us anything. Although they do answer when I ask them. I mean, their website has rarely been up to date and they never tell us anything about their products besides a picture. Like the sizing, materials used, upgrades from the previous version, and so on. They could really use a better marketing employee, because their products are great.
Thanks for this update. I had no idea it was like that. I was about to pick up a pair of their skates but glad i decided to hold off. won't be buying anything from micro
I know I'm a couple of days late. I saw this vid when you released, but hesitated to say anything until I did my own research. I wondered what was going on with Seba, but didn't know much at all about this situation and still feel like there is too little info out there. So I'll just say that I'm a fan of Seba and fully support what they've done for the skating scene. I have a few of their skates and they've all been great. Thanks for gathering some concise info on this subject.
Deez Skates to be honest 90% of this I’d already heard from “unnamed inside sources” but didn’t wanna be public about it until Sebastien or Greg said anything publicly. The comment below from the guy in Vietnam actually leads me to think it’s worse than I thought...
Thanks for the tea! 😉🖤 You're lovely and perfect and please don't ever change. 😍
this is why lino got robbed man, haha
It makes me wonder if his skates getting stolen at his trade show is related...
Great info, Man, thanks for clearing this up for us. I bought my Seba FR1s over a decade ago and they are still rolling well, using the same Seba twincam ILQ9 bearings I might add, despite the abuse they have taken! I've never regretted spending the money on them, simply because they perform and have lasted so well. I just hope these companies continue to produce quality skates, regardless of their branding.
Take the pun! Take the pun! :) I LOVE my Seba skates! I still have my 2017 model Seba FR1 skates. Man, this was such an excellent video. A real eye opener. I had heard so many rumors, but you have set the record straight and have made it very clear what has transpired. Kudos and happy skating to you my brother.
Gregory Hoaja Inline Skater thanks man! Happy skating
Thanks a lot for putting together all this information! I find this situation with Micro and Ricardo Lino quite funny. I remember that in one of his videos from some rollerblading exhibition he explicitly asked the Micro representative about why their skates look like copies of SEBA.
Nazar On Wheels YEP
I was scrolling, came across this title and said to myself “welp, lemme hop on this video and in these comments and get the tea.” 👀😂
I missed all this drama. Good to know about Micro since I'm just picking a pair of skates out. FR, Seba and brands I grew up with like Rollerblade and K2 have so many great skates these days. Happy skating my dude!~
Well, this was very educational. Now I know more about it, I feel I think I can put the topic behind me.
Daniel Naron best thing to do, I think
This clip is such an eye-opener. Can't believe I just found this clip now... thank you for doing all this research! 🤜🤛
I was considering making a video about this myself when it was first happening
Thank you so much for this video! I'm new to inline skating and wanted to get new, hardboot skates but was so confused between what was going on with Seba/FR that I didn't want to get a pair of new skates anytime soon. I did read around reddit and other places that Seba wasn't making as high quality products anymore so i'm glad you cleared things up that that wasn't the case. Thanks again for the video.
NightBlueShade thanks for watching! I’m glad Seba is still in top form too-a lot of my favorite skates of theirs are still under the Seba brand name. I’d be really upset if I couldn’t get good quality Seba High Lights at some point 😂
i'm a bit late to the party but tyvm for the video now I finally got the lore from Seba/FR !
At last an explanation, thank you. I was very surprised when I saw Ricardo's video from the Micro factory announcing that he was now working for them. I'd heard the rumours and decided to buy FR Skates FR1 310 rather than the Micro/Seba version. Support Sebastien.
Sir Prancelot no such thing as micro/Seba, separate companies. One just stole from the other and tried to push them out of shops
@@CityBlades Thanks. I said Micro/Seba as was still a bit confused by it all but having watched the video again this morning ,with most of the wine having left my system, am more clued up. You have done a great job publicising Sebastien's posts and explaining them. I had been under the impression that the Micro factory manufactured Seba skates and were still doing so, which is why I bought FR's. It seems strange that he is now happy to endorse Seba and is actually working with them but it looks as though the legal action has paid off with new partners in place.
Still, to have two companies producing identical products, e.g. FR1 310's, and selling them under different names will cause confusion for buyers for some time to come. Are skate shops going to stock identical boots from both Seba and FR? Will they be an identical price?
There is a comment below from buttheadgsxr1000 saying that all skates apart from Bauer hockey skates and Powerslide (Trinity mount) are crap because they don't have the lower centre of gravity. I think most people would disagree with this but the point about getting wheels closer to the sole of the boot is a good one. I hope now the drain of legal action is over that FR (and Seba), can design their own system for this, without being sued by Powerslide for copying the Trinity mount.
@@SirPrancelot1 I suppose Powerslide would offer the licensing for Trinity system.
yeah i don't really care much about ride height tbh... i skate 4x80 and have never had a frame that felt too tall, lol.
From what I know Seba doesn't make Igors or FR's anymore, so those are solidly under the new FR brand. It's confusing now, but after all the back-stock has been sold out it'll be more clear
@@CityBlades So this FR1 80 2017/18 have good materials or not? coz im confused.
this boy the barbara walters of rollerblading. respect
Insightful! I am not disappointed with my purchase of FR3 blades for my daughter now! She got the FR3's I wanted, seeing them, I am jealous lol! I can be a bit of a brand loyalist, but, I will opt fot the better product 1st. Within ethical lines that is, as so, you did mention. Glad to know, some of my dollars, went to the innovator that kicked it off!
On another note, she gots the FR3's, so now, I been scoping Highlight Carbon V.2 for myself lol!
Well this concretes my decision in buying FR skates 👍🏼
Good to have some clarification, but I still don't get who owns/ runs Seba... I get everything else but that.
Chris Mousdale sebastien, Greg, and probably some investors
thanks for the clarification !! i was very curious. I have FR3 white and i love them! i wanna upgrade to INTUITION which should fit even better :)
Brother You were a discovery; Marathoning your vídeos .....🇧🇷👏👏👏
Thank you for sharing mate!
Aussie Inline Skater thank you for watching!
Hey great video and Excellent clarification!
I have a pair of Micro Deltas and had heard of them being a the same design but didn't think they were a carbon copy. The Deltas are my 4th pair of skates. Following my most recent pair the Seba Trix 2 which were giving me a but of a hard time comfort wise so I use the Deltas because they're the most comfortable pair of skates I own so far.
Interesting! The molds must be ever so slightly different.
@@CityBlades I've gotten requests to review them so I might after skating them for about 8 months. Lol
ruclips.net/video/xYATrc8kuuM/видео.html. This are half-truths
Awesome video! Its sad to hear that money meant for skating had to go into legal expenses. Is their more details about the factories involved and their relationshop to micro?
Johannes Kählare this is all I know 🤷🏼♂️ and to my knowledge the extent of their relationship with Micro
Awesome! Seba is sweet. Thank you for sharing.
Very interesting. Btw there is one big difference between Micro and some other random noname copies. The quality of their expensive slalom skates - it's on the same level as Seba. I know it because here in Russia a lot of top slalom skaters using Micro (and I mean not only guys sponsored by Micro). Some skaters use it as a secondary pair of skates, some as a main. So Micro skates tested by smth like a year of daily hardcore pro training. Personally I don't want to buy skates with stolen design (I own Seba, FE, Powerslide) but Micro is a very high quality fake Seba.
That’s what talentless people do, try to get your child away from you…
Thanks for the clarification. Great job!
Between frx80 and seba e3 80 is there any difference, cause i have red both senarios, that they are similar or that frx are better but noone says the reason...
do you know anything more specific aboute those two?
Thanks ☺️
I'm a big fan of Seba skates, it's all good.
Thanks for clearing everything up. Too bad Sebastian didn't make these posts easier to find, but at least he said something definitive on the whole thing.
Also, stoked that /u/professional_fart tapped you and gypsyblader to mod the joint after Travis took a step back. Y'all are good people.
brocmt thanks man! I was unsure about being a mod but it’s easy so far, haha
Thank you I was wondering what happened to SEBA
Interesting update since this video, Sebastian is now working at both companies
For real SEBA was supposed to send me two new deluxe liners but I only received one so 9 still have that one liner still brand new I just needed two of them so I'm still in the same liners but man they are tore up
I'm gonna be making a new video on all my blades and wheels and frames that I like and love and this will be a long-term review
This is still confusing to me. I was about to buy SEBAs till i found out about all the drama so my question is this ... Is sebastien still involved in SEBA skates and in what extend ? Are SEBA 2019 models as good as the older models or not ? Are FR skates comparable to SEBA or are inferior skates because of different factories etc ? All these questions drive me away of those brands for a reason.
ΜΑΡΙΑ ΠΕΤΡΟΥ Seba is still great, you can buy with confidence. There’s a shop task employee in this comment section that verified all the new stuff is just as good as it was before all the drama.
FR has issues with the first run but it’s all been recalled and fixed now. You can buy either brand with confidence
Does that mean Sebastien Laffargue now owns both the Seba and FR brands?
G ET yes
Well this is interesting. I was looking at the MS Delta, now wondering which model that is a copy of... On a different note, why can’t I find the FR FR2 80 anywhere (I’m a smaller size - 36)? I don’t see any 2021 models, either. I guess just everyone is behind schedule?
Delta is the Trix I believe? Would have to look... and yeah covid has the supply chain messed up in literally everything
fucking awesome video! Thanks for clearing this up!
Did Ricardo respond to this? Quite distinct to hear this
CrocAU other than the thumbs down, no. His current strategy seems to be sending them to youtubers who don’t skate slalom & thus can’t spot the copies immediately, can’t say how effective it has or hasn’t been
Genial!!! 🚀
I found SEBA skate selling at very discounted price on Aliexpress, are those legit? Model are labelled slightly different from local SEBA agents.
Ivan Lim no idea, sorry
Lmao come on guy
Aliexpress?
Are you serious?
Of course they’re knock offs
ITS ALIEXPRESS
you new to the internet or? ..........
@@4everhumbl36 managed to buy genuine from aliexpress.
You mean those frx seba boots on aliexpress are no good maybe?
Be safe go Bauer ;)
monocopper _ never skated Bauer 🤷🏼♂️
Damn i have 1 pair of seba, 1 pair fr1 skates, and micro mt-4 and flying eagle eclipse 🤣✌🏻
What happened to ksj
bolillo222 did something happen to ksj?
@@CityBlades I mean micro goes (Whit you now his name) Igor Whit fr and ksj has been remove from the 3 brands or not ???? Mhhhh........
Now I'm glad I didn't order the micro
good video!
Ricardo should have more respect for the industry
Got my FR Igor only because I can't get Seba Igor... I will not purchase Micro.
Maria Kristina Hawl all good! FR and Seba have the same owners-no conflict of interest there
Awesome explanation about what's happening around all these brands. But as a fan of the well known skater who works for Micro, I think you're being a bit unfair. I can understand that if he has an opportunity to try sharing his knowledge and expertise on research and developing skates, why not work for Micro? This happens all the time. I also know another well known skater (I'm also a fan of his) who went from Powerslide to Flying Eagle and back to Powerslide and no one said anything about this.
Yes, I do see Micro as copies of Seba skates but maybe it's just a matter of time and money they start innovating. They still have poor presence in Europe and customers know which way to go if they want to pay more or less on skates, depending on the quality they want or can afford.
I think it's a good thing that the market opens up for other brands and if someone is enough impartial to give his opinion without being so influenced by a single brand, then it's something to appreciate. Thanks again for this video. Watched it a few times already before posting my comment 😊
Eh, I mean powerslide and FE don’t outright copy each other (minus the Ego branding) or try to get exclusive contracts with shops that carry one or the other... Greg and Sebastien are quite upset with the well known skater you like for a reason, and my experience with the guy has lead me to always... question his motives.
Feel free to disagree, and have any opinion you’d like about any of this, I’ll always encourage that, BUT... from my perspective it’s “company that’s greasier than Scottish breakfast hires man who’s greasier than Scottish breakfast to convince skaters that theft and otherwise unethical business are what’s best for child skaters”... I mean the guy was making all the same arguments I was at that trade show prior to being hired by them, and a few dollars later it’s a totally different story? Come on, now...
Yes, I also agree with how upset Seba can be with all this and I'm with them, don't get me wrong here. I own a pair of Seba skates: FR1 and Trix 2. I guess unfortunately this can happen easier when sharing same factories who make shells. I think of all those scooter copies from Micro's but still customers should know which one provides the best quality. That's why my kids have Micro scooters.
Regards from Spain!
@@CityBlades lll
jason jackson idk what this means, lol
@@CityBlades My bad! Its late over hear in Australia and I was falling asleep while reading the comments and somehow touched the screen and posted that! Lol. Don't mind me! Lol.
I’ll buy one of each brand (Micro/FR/Seba) to determine any differences and promote the hobby also buying a Flying Eagle skate.
Four years later - no SEBA brand around. Only FR. Hmmm 🤔