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@@dsfsfdv7561 Interesting. It says here this guy does "krabi krabong." So this move is done in Japan, China, and Thailand as well? Nice! We don't have that in The Philippines :(
A scythe is made into an infinitely superior weapon by straightening out the angle of the blade, making it kind of like a bill hook. I believe that the later guisarme was based off of the scythe where the blade was made as more of a straight extension of the pole. Gives it more reach, allows thrusting and swinging attacks, while still keeping the chopping strength of the conclave blade. The Chinese Gou Lian Qiang is like a somewhat straightened out scythe blade with a spear point added.
@@Henbot A scythe is a "pole arm." It's a weapon on a pole. It's just not a terribly efficient pole arm since it chooses to reduce its potential reach. Most "pole arms," as people think of European weapons like bardiche, guisarme, glaive, etc. were originally based on farming implements like scythes, bill hooks, and pitch forks.
Yes, the guisarme, crow bill, and others are direct ancestors of the war scythe. I looked into their history, and you can easily find photos of the ancestors and predecessors of the weapons.
I wouldn't say a glaive is superior. And I like glaives. Reach is nice, but nothing bypasses defence like a scythe. In the video we watched multiple times as the scythe was blocked and still struck easily. Furthermore, very few people train their defence against strikes from behind from an opponent in front of them. The second you get past the striking line to close, the usual way to deal with polearms, you open yourself up to a pulling strike. When a scythe strike comes in, you have to move back, because you can't parry it, and moving forward just means you get pull cut from behind and if you're constantly stepping back vs a pole arm that has Reach on you, it makes it very hard to win.
That hook on the pommel held him back the entire fight. Also impressed that our kendoka didn't start taking this personally until 3 minutes in. He seems to have gotten more patient over time, and that's real nice to see
Yea that hook on the handle is a mistake in design. In real life you could end up cutting yourself to ribbons on that in a variety of ways. One being your opponent smacks you with a heavy weapon attack & you have to take the energy & absorb it but your weapon is going to be moving at you with great energy behind it. That hook will hurt you not them.
@@NeroLordofChaos having a small spearhead at the back helps way more than that hook. It's just deadweight there unless you want to scratch your back while sword fighting.
Very cool! It was interesting to the Kenjutsu guy not having any idea what to do at first but kind of figuring out how to take away some of the advantages of reach the Giant Scythe had. Excellent stuff!
Really nice fight! Being repurposed farming tools, scythes are not exactly ideal as weapons. But if you made one from scratch for fighting, you could: 1) have the edge aligned with the shaft 2) sharpen both sides of the blade, so you could attack effectively with pokes 3) have a bit thicker blade to make it more durable 4) have an oval shaft for easier edge alignment
It won’t by scythe then…. The whole point of scythe is one deep, heavy, penetrative swing. Spears are more so about repeated stabbings. Scythe is about one good swing
@@kingol4801 Removing the straight in poke attack is a mistake & limits your attack toolbox. Having some sort of spike on the end gives them another thing to worry about & can give you a way to block more effectively with the meeting of the spike & the hook. I agree with the top comment to have a spike of some sort.
@@ClickClack_Bam I agree with that as well. What I don’t agree is by rendering the blade not perpendicular, as that would make it a primitive spear with no advantages of a scythe. Scythe + spike on top - good Scythe deformed into IKEA spear - bad.
Yes, i can imagine it would look more like a war-pick except the head would be on a pole making it a pole-arm. It would be very good for puncturing through steel plate because of leverage and usually any foot-soldier would most likely not be able to to protect themselves from a blow that strong.
Although the scythe was amazing to see in the hands of a skilled master, both practitioners showed beautiful on-the-fly adaptations to each other's current approaches. This channel has always been a treat to watch!
What surprises me is that over the many discussions regarding the viability of non-war scythe type scythes, I've never heard anybody (except maybe Skallagrim with the examples he worked with) talk about the many parallels that scythes share with historical weapons. Namely: The Horseman's Pick The Bec De Corbin The Lucerne Hammer The Gē, or Chinese Dagger-axe The Bellbeaker Halberd All these except the latter two examples are just scythes if the blade was thickened, shortened, and not meant to cut. Whenever I see scythes used in fiction, it always makes me think that piercing attacks are what would be most effective with a standard scythe made for combat without turning it into a glorified glaive with a convex edge. Just put a spear head on the thing like examples 2 and 3, and we might be on to something there for a somewhat viable weapon. Of course, the composition of the blade may still be up to question (how long do you make the blade, how thick should the blade be, would keeping the edges sharp be unnessecary for the job it's meant to do, would the examples listed here make a scythe outclassed for a niche other than unarmored/lightly armored opponents, etc.), I'm just wondering why everyone is so focused on the cutting aspect of the scythe when its ability to piece appears much more apparent. The examples I listed should at least show that there has been precedent for weapons with the scythe's general body plan. Edit: I think Shadiversity talked about the parallels between scythes and bec de corbin, or at least something to that effect. Edit 2: Apparantly, many people in the comments here are talking about what I mentioned, so I guess my commentary on the matter was just superfluous.
That reason was cheap making cost and not need practice and education… also scythe is the except cause need more practice! And Still your “reason” swords exist and every culture made many many sword types… and some how the mercenaries and knights/official warriors-soldiers used always swords! Somehow… sword is more balanced in every way but need practice of years!
@@gipsymelody1268 you don't have any knowledge outside of what you've read on a cellphone, no need to stand on a digital soapbox and express your ignorance
@@gipsymelody1268 Yes, they are everywhere, but in battle they first play a role after the distance for pole-arms has been breached. Some cultures (e.g. Chinese and Japanese) even had pole-weapons with sword length blades. And pikes of four metres need quite a bit of training - especially when used in formations. And a pole-axe needs some training too. In historical accounts swords are mainly used as a side arm for the middle distance (quite often with a shield which has also been used in combination with pole-weapons). In the short distance knives ot daggers became important. Roman soldiers have been conscripted for 20 years, so they had a lot of time to train - and they carried a shield (sputum), spear (pilum) and a sword as a back-up weapon (gladius). The Chinese call the spear the queen of weapons. With the introduction of guns, the bajonet made them to a kind of pole-weapon. Against amoured opposition a pole-axe or a warhammer is in general more effective (but ypu can of course half-sword).
@@KlausBeckEwerhardy in historically accounts swords was not side weapon! And the area was matter! You could not use spears in a forest or in a siege! Only on plaina and drylands (where is enough space!) also there is many historical painting the warriors has only swords! And swords was the most expensivest weapons… for sword need years of education and training… for other weapons even enough few days or a month! And just forget how in a time romans used only gladius with shield… mostly the late roman era! Also forget how the cannons existed in the middle of the middle age! (First hand canons was around 700-1000. And even guns was around 1300) Also just forget how a real battle was totaly different… more slower and more tactician… (raids was different also the smaller fights) Also even if spear has distance advantage it’s not matter when you have a heavy armor! (Not plate but already gambeson, chainmail and scale armor or splitted even chest-mail and another pieces)
@@gipsymelody1268 Read a lot of historical accounts about battles? Cannons and guns are not really the same - but arrows and javelins have been important too. Swords are fun, watching sword fights is more entertaining than watching people going at each other with spears or pole weapons, but most historians agree that swords tended to be secondary or back-up weapons most of the time. About the effectiveness against different kinds of armour look als at experimental archeology. Matt Easton or Shaversity publish a lot to this topic here on RUclips. Or Megatron.
Scythes aren't BAD but they weren't really historically used on the battlefield for no reason they're not that good and the biggest advantage they have is that of surprise and inexperience od opponent with a similar weapon i think most of us including the kendoka would try to defend against it as if it was a spear which is a mistake
@@thenine895 Yeah, especially this variant of a scythe seems extremely difficult to fight against in a 1on1. Its front blade is greatly shortened and it also has a back blade which makes it even more unpredictable. A true assassination weapon. It also reminds me of the Kusarigama, a good weapon to fight dirty.
It seems the kendo guy was hesitant/afraid to close-in during the first half of the video. When he backs away, he actually plays to the scythe’s range advantage. Had the kendo guy being more aggressive to close-in, at the same time scythe guy launching an attack, kendo guy may have being more advantageous. Scythe has more advantage in the longer range/reach, yes. But it has disadvantage in the duration needed to launch/complete one attack. I know this is more easily said than done. But that’s the weakness of the scythe the kendo guy needs to explore to gain upper hand.
@@reallifeengineer7214 As for me I'm also a little hesitant when it comes to a new sparring partner. But the Kenjutsu guy adapts to the scythe after some time. And as I already said, it's much more unpredictable than you might think. This ain't a sword vs spear match where range is the only important factor. The scythe doesn't need to stay at a long range, it can also close by to a middle range since its cutting edge is on the inside.
Honestly, you guys do such amazing videos, they could be used for reference in animation for pretty much anything or even some really great film choreography.
Why didn’t they just turn that one around it would make the weapon so much better. He even rotates the weapon to use the little scythe. If it was just facing the other way you wouldn’t cut yourself constantly and you could use it the same way but better cause you don’t have to rotate it first. I know it’s just cause they thought it looked cool or would get clicks, but it’s such an impractical design xD
I’ve personally thought about designing my own scythe based off of criticisms of it. A spike at the top of the pole would make it more of a threat instead of purely relying on the scythe blade. Or perhaps a smaller scythe blade behind the bigger blade, kind of like the hook on a hammer. It would give more opportunities to hook and disarm, while giving a counter balance to the broad forward blade. The extra weight would also make a fearsome piercing weapon. I wish I thought about the smaller hook at the bottom. I love how he used it to hook around weapons and propelling the blade in a single motion.
A spike on top would certainly be the way to go. Make the angle on the scythe slightly more severe and sharpen its back edge so it can do some push cuts while maintaining its ability to hook and reach past blocks. Maybe a hammer or axe head on the back side, effectively making it a poleaxe with an extremely large bladed beak. All that on the head of the thing may be a bit hard to handle though.
I feel like this scythe weapon would have a very lopsided weight with the round handle and angled blade. It would probably be difficult to effectively fight with, as you can only cut by pulling inward. Id like to see an actual war scythe in use at some point.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 pros and cons, the angle means opponents need to create *that* much more space between themselves and the tip and block, while he also has to be aware of a wider cone of possible attacks around himself. At least thats what VR teached me, so take it with a grain of salt
Honestly wish these videos got more views. love this channel and the various weapon matches. It helps alot for doing animation work. Keep up the good work!
That was really interesting to watch! I think the schythe has a huge "experience" advantage in that a schyte user trained how to counter a sword (common weapon), but a swordsman didn't train much in how to counter a schythe (rare weapon) And indeed the swordsman starts getting a lot better in the second half of the video after he gets used to it. Too bad in a real encounter he'd be already dead :) To make a parallel, it's similar to lefties in fencing - at least at a beginners level: they have an advantage because people are used to fighting righties. At advanced levels it evens out because there are quite a few lefties But still.. I feel if a swordsman was properly trained against a schyte he'd be able to exploit a lot of weaknesses (shcyte is heavier, cannot stab, and opponent can grab the shaft)
My little sister is left handed but was taught to sword fight by a right handed person (me) this unfortunately made it so she's better than me if she utilizes the fact that she is technically able to swap hands on the fly with no loss in dexterity. She's actually scary good with a sword, I made her a custom short bladed estoc with a slightly curved tip (akin to a thorn on a rose) to give her better control.
@@JohnKickboxing think of the katana like a sidearm. It wasn't the main weapon used by samurai even though many carried them. Samurai were also amazing archers, Spearman, and even staff users. The katana and wakazashi were used as backup weapons.
i don't think it's that the swordsman is untrained in the matchup it's litterally that the weapon difference is HUGE ! all the Scythe guys has to do is go for a reach with a circular blow, and 50% times it will land. 50% the opponent will dodge but by getting out of range, getting no real advantage, back to square 1. The ONLY move the swords man CAN do in order to win, is a complex 3-part move, where he 1-Parries (...somehow?? already pretty improbable!!) 2- grabs the pole 3- finally strikes A lot of things can go wrong. When you rely on a 3-phase move with an improbable start, VS the oponent can do the most basic thing and still have the upper hand the vast majority of the time !! Personally, if I got in a fight against a weapon that has TWICE my range, AND I cannot parry... !!! then I'd JUST RUN.
3:38 i am VERY impressed with the read and reaction time from the kendoka, intentional or not that was a great reaction. As far as the scythe is concerned; It's a great weapon: It allows you to attack from different angles (especially when 2-sided as is the case here). It also allows you to displace your opponents or resitrict their movements. Especially the knees, ankles and shoulders are excellent targets The best close-combat defence with this weapon is to pull your oppenent in with the scythe until you are chest-to chest. They can't strike and you get to cut their chest/abdomen open, this doesn't work very well against stabbing motions though :D
@@Neochrono kenjutsu includes all forms of japanese sword-based martial arts. He is a kenjutsu practicioner since he is a kendoka. Based on his gear, the areas he typically strikes at and the fact he's shouting on hit I'd say he's a kendoka for sure :)
@@hieronymousblackmane9152 He is definitely using some non kendo techniques. Also his sword shouldn't have a scabbard, since kendo doesn't have any drawing cuts
@@Neochrono I'll take your expertise for it then. I wouldn't know all the details as i practice polearms and not swords xD but thanks for pointing it out!
@@Neochrono No, he is a kendoka. This is W.S. Yeom, I believe that he is 2dan kendo, but they have said in other videos that he has never trained any other style of kenjutsu.
That was pretty cool, I like how towards the end the kenjutsu-bokken user smartened up and would parry, block, grab the scythe then stab. I would have used both the sheathe and the bokken if I had to go against the scythe user myself. You can't go traditional against an untraditional bout.
Badass. The scythe is such a cool weapon. I know it wouldn't be conventional, but I wonder why the outer edge of the scythe was never sharpened (at least to my knowledge). I know it excels as a piercing weapon, but it seems like keening the outer edge would simply make it more lethal.
I thought the scythe thumbnail and martial art was BS until I saw he does Krabi Krabong, an actual style. I've been looking for scythes and scythe fighting for a while, this is awesome! Hungary and the West know more about the war scythe, a reforged version where the scythe is put parallel to the handle instead of the perpendicular(ly) way.
Nice video. It is easy to see that the swordsman have little experience facing spears-type of weapons using katana. Specially a scythe type, which is a spear made for cutting and stabbing using side-ways attacks. In my experience, katana have a hard time against this kind of weapons. Tho, it is something that with years of practice against it, you can do lots of things.
If you look at medieval polearms, it seems like they also had this kind of hooking possibilities. People had a lot of experience with scythes so it's likely that similar weapon designs felt comfortable even for those who had little experience from fighting. Farming tools probably had more influence on weapon designs than they get credited.
The thing I admire most about the sword is you can fight from the outside and the inside, where as a spear or in this case a scythe is for the most part all outside striking if the distance closes the scythe wielder is in trouble
My preferred stance vs weapons with range is O Gasumi, Ko Gasumi, or Te Ura Gasumi. I can parry and counter fairly well vs a spear, staff, polearm or greatsword with these. 2-hand scythe is tricker but it's more viable than using a standard offensive guard like Seigan No Kamae. Anything with range is going to own that.
This is why the katana was a secondary weapon. The blade is too short in order to help close the distance of the sword - the difficulty is, however that this is a scythe - not a spear. Getting around to the non edge side is the main goal for the sword to reach the strike zone. This can become very hard still because it’s a sword against a pole arm
There seem to be very interesting ways you could use the scythe as a weapon, even to the point I think it could be viable over shorter range weapons, like an axe or a sword, probably not something like a spear though.
The giant scythe looks cool & dangerous, for all involved with the back blade facing the user, I wonder how many times the guy with the scythe would have injured himself?
I’m not sure what he did (check min 1:26), but it almost looks like that full move in combat would cause the opponent to fall on the blade. If it’s nothing correct me, but dang
This is awesome! While watching this I also thought of one thing to change and one then to add to the weapon to make it even more effective! Change: instead of having a smaller hook facing you on the bottom, have a a spike/spear tip. Keeping that threat while reducing it's likely hood of hitting you. Add: a small spike sticking out opposite of the main blade to allow for more of a puncturing attack against armored opponents along with opening up some other techniques
I haven't watched many of these; are they meant to be primarily just entertainment rather than accurate, exploratory, or educational? What purpose does the small scythe/hook facing backwards serve? Seems like it would be way more functional if you don't have to rotate your main scythe offline every time you want to employ the bottom end and then rotate it all again to bring the main back around to offend your opponent...
i have no clue about weapons or anything, but my 1st thought would be to counter balance the heavy scythe blade, possibly using a heavier metal for the smaller blade
@@tankmaster6062 Give yourself more credit, that's a good thought. Weight for counter balance makes sense and would be very practical to make the weapon easier to wield and possibly quicker. However, you could achieve the same result with a forward orientation of the bottom end so this doesn't explain the reversed orientation imo.
I suppose the real scythe would be much heavier than the prop for practice ? Does this make long weapons have unrealistic advantage in these series of simulation fight between different weapons ?
something that i find a lot of people don't know about the scythe is that when used in war it was sharpened on both sides of the blade so you could slash with the front & back edge of the blade in a swinging motion, or if you wanted to you then can just use it like a bo staff with a weighted end by flipping the scythe so the blade is facing towards you, then you can actually use the outside edge to slash as you swing it like a bo staff. a few slashes i like are pretty simple the first one you just swing the back of the scythe upwards to either hit your opponent with the pole end of the scythe, slash them with the backside of the blade or deflect their weapon and then you bring the the scythe down on your opponent with the exception of if you hit them with the pole, if you hit with the pole end you then have to do a full 360 spin in the opposite direction and perform a wide swing while spinning, the 2nd slash i like with scythes is a little more complicated but it can be performed vertically or horizontally you hold the scythe extended with the dominant arm with the blade of the scythe facing backwards and swing it in a wide arc either horizontally in front of you or vertically upwards you then grab the scythe with your offhand and either bring it around to the side you just slashed from for a followup strike with the front edge of the scythe or you just strike from the side your 1st slash ended on
Only problem I had with this video is the sword wielder played it real while the one with the scythe didn't. Got tapped on the hands twice. Show us what you can do after your hand has been disabled in combat. It's unlikely after being cut on the hand in nearly any situation that you would maintain a proper grip on that weapon. It's bigger and heavier. It would make sense that the pain from having a hand cut or stabbed would prevent accuracy when wielding a larger weapon.
Just a suggestion, but the blade faces up when the katana is placed at the waist to prevent the blade dulling and the saya being cut through. (Yes, I’m aware it’s a bokken, but it still bothers me)
I'm always curious if these techniques could be utilised with the real weapons. Taking into account the metals and higher quality materials to make the weapon fit for battle, it would surely add a fair amount of weight to it that at the least would tire the user out very fast to the point where a loss is inevitable or make some techniques downright impossible if the required strength isn't there. I'm obviously no expert on weapons so I could be completely mistaken but to me that's why spears were always the most common tool in warfare, they were lightweight and therefore could be used by someone of only middling strength, rather than a weighty poleaxe or billhook.
I'm not a fan of that *smaller* blade on the base of the haft pointing towards the scythe wielder; I don't think I need to explain why. I *do* however like the fact that, while it's curved, the *main* scythe blade's not so strongly curved as to throw the tip out of line with the *rest* of the blade, which would've *stopped* it from *stabbing* ; that shows that a Grim Reaper style scythe like Zasalamel's really *would* be an effective weapon if it was designed that way, as this guy doing so well with it shows.
Estou lendo um manhwa na qual o personagem usa uma foice como arma, e pensei quais seriam os movimentos reais em uma luta, existem muitos protas dark que usam foice ultimamente rsrsrs, gostei do video, foi interessante
This is a very interesting but a different style than I have seen before. and also a slightly different shape. The style I have seen emphasizes continuous movements, not immediate return to center guard, and uses the back end more than you did here. Ie if the initial cut misses you come around with the back end most times instead of stopping and returning to guard.
Very interesting. I wonder if hooking and pulling your oppenent closer would be a detriment. Obvious the scythe would cause severe damge but pulling them closer might open you to a counter attack that will end in both people mortally wounded
Nice demonstration. Katana at the beginning hit the wood of the scyth several times, I am curious in a real fight if the katana would actually damage the weapon or even cut right through the wood leaving him with just the wooden pole. And the second disadvantage I see with the scyth is that it is not a close quarter weapon.
Katanas or any blade for that matter wouldn't usually cut through hard wood used for making poles, however they could break it eventually in a battlefield. Axes have a greater chance of cutting but even then it's usually more than 2-3 hits and its quite hard to hit the same spot while there's someone moving the pole to basically kill you. So you wouldn't intentionally try to break it unless it's maybe a duel and you're trying to show off. Even so, polearms broke during wars quite often, which is why people would carry swords to the battlefields. Sword is an inferior but more durable second hand weapon.
When duelling with someone with a ranged weapon like spear , staff or scythe etc. It is better to get in close quater to reduce their range and mobility to decrease their advantages 😮😮.
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If you have fear to get close you ll die for the scythe
Omg 😂I love katanas sword but dang that sythe got some reach
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i love how he grabs and pulls with the scythe. feels very sekiro.
Actually there is a move in chinese kung fu exactly like that
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@@dsfsfdv7561 Interesting. It says here this guy does "krabi krabong." So this move is done in Japan, China, and Thailand as well? Nice! We don't have that in The Philippines :(
@@siopaoboy7550 at least you dudes have cool stick moves
A scythe is made into an infinitely superior weapon by straightening out the angle of the blade, making it kind of like a bill hook. I believe that the later guisarme was based off of the scythe where the blade was made as more of a straight extension of the pole. Gives it more reach, allows thrusting and swinging attacks, while still keeping the chopping strength of the conclave blade. The Chinese Gou Lian Qiang is like a somewhat straightened out scythe blade with a spear point added.
That just basically a spear/pole arm, and they are just having fun with Giant Scythe deliberately not to make some grand statement about giant scythe
@@Henbot A scythe is a "pole arm." It's a weapon on a pole. It's just not a terribly efficient pole arm since it chooses to reduce its potential reach.
Most "pole arms," as people think of European weapons like bardiche, guisarme, glaive, etc. were originally based on farming implements like scythes, bill hooks, and pitch forks.
Yes, the guisarme, crow bill, and others are direct ancestors of the war scythe. I looked into their history, and you can easily find photos of the ancestors and predecessors of the weapons.
Not practical in real fights
I wouldn't say a glaive is superior. And I like glaives. Reach is nice, but nothing bypasses defence like a scythe. In the video we watched multiple times as the scythe was blocked and still struck easily. Furthermore, very few people train their defence against strikes from behind from an opponent in front of them. The second you get past the striking line to close, the usual way to deal with polearms, you open yourself up to a pulling strike.
When a scythe strike comes in, you have to move back, because you can't parry it, and moving forward just means you get pull cut from behind and if you're constantly stepping back vs a pole arm that has Reach on you, it makes it very hard to win.
That hook on the pommel held him back the entire fight.
Also impressed that our kendoka didn't start taking this personally until 3 minutes in. He seems to have gotten more patient over time, and that's real nice to see
Yea that hook on the handle is a mistake in design.
In real life you could end up cutting yourself to ribbons on that in a variety of ways.
One being your opponent smacks you with a heavy weapon attack & you have to take the energy & absorb it but your weapon is going to be moving at you with great energy behind it. That hook will hurt you not them.
Better choice would be a weighted or spiked pommel. help counter balance the blade's weight or have a crappy spear point for a surprise.
@@NeroLordofChaos having a small spearhead at the back helps way more than that hook. It's just deadweight there unless you want to scratch your back while sword fighting.
@@NeroLordofChaos mine has a spike pommel, awesome to use the Scythe as a spear hahaha
3:25 the speed on that strike was sick
A literal blink and you’ll miss it.
Very cool! It was interesting to the Kenjutsu guy not having any idea what to do at first but kind of figuring out how to take away some of the advantages of reach the Giant Scythe had. Excellent stuff!
Really nice fight!
Being repurposed farming tools, scythes are not exactly ideal as weapons. But if you made one from scratch for fighting, you could:
1) have the edge aligned with the shaft
2) sharpen both sides of the blade, so you could attack effectively with pokes
3) have a bit thicker blade to make it more durable
4) have an oval shaft for easier edge alignment
and a spike
It won’t by scythe then….
The whole point of scythe is one deep, heavy, penetrative swing.
Spears are more so about repeated stabbings. Scythe is about one good swing
@@kingol4801 Removing the straight in poke attack is a mistake & limits your attack toolbox.
Having some sort of spike on the end gives them another thing to worry about & can give you a way to block more effectively with the meeting of the spike & the hook.
I agree with the top comment to have a spike of some sort.
@@ClickClack_Bam I agree with that as well.
What I don’t agree is by rendering the blade not perpendicular, as that would make it a primitive spear with no advantages of a scythe.
Scythe + spike on top - good
Scythe deformed into IKEA spear - bad.
Yes, i can imagine it would look more like a war-pick except the head would be on a pole making it a pole-arm. It would be very good for puncturing through steel plate because of leverage and usually any foot-soldier would most likely not be able to to protect themselves from a blow that strong.
Although the scythe was amazing to see in the hands of a skilled master, both practitioners showed beautiful on-the-fly adaptations to each other's current approaches. This channel has always been a treat to watch!
What surprises me is that over the many discussions regarding the viability of non-war scythe type scythes, I've never heard anybody (except maybe Skallagrim with the examples he worked with) talk about the many parallels that scythes share with historical weapons. Namely:
The Horseman's Pick
The Bec De Corbin
The Lucerne Hammer
The Gē, or Chinese Dagger-axe
The Bellbeaker Halberd
All these except the latter two examples are just scythes if the blade was thickened, shortened, and not meant to cut. Whenever I see scythes used in fiction, it always makes me think that piercing attacks are what would be most effective with a standard scythe made for combat without turning it into a glorified glaive with a convex edge. Just put a spear head on the thing like examples 2 and 3, and we might be on to something there for a somewhat viable weapon. Of course, the composition of the blade may still be up to question (how long do you make the blade, how thick should the blade be, would keeping the edges sharp be unnessecary for the job it's meant to do, would the examples listed here make a scythe outclassed for a niche other than unarmored/lightly armored opponents, etc.), I'm just wondering why everyone is so focused on the cutting aspect of the scythe when its ability to piece appears much more apparent. The examples I listed should at least show that there has been precedent for weapons with the scythe's general body plan.
Edit: I think Shadiversity talked about the parallels between scythes and bec de corbin, or at least something to that effect.
Edit 2: Apparantly, many people in the comments here are talking about what I mentioned, so I guess my commentary on the matter was just superfluous.
You think too much, homie. You need to go outside and get some fresh air 😅
@@Shaqwukong Some fresh air one could get by dueling people with a scythe.
Pole- weapons have been equipment standard through history for a reason 😉 Very nice demonstration.
That reason was cheap making cost and not need practice and education… also scythe is the except cause need more practice!
And Still your “reason” swords exist and every culture made many many sword types… and some how the mercenaries and knights/official warriors-soldiers used always swords! Somehow… sword is more balanced in every way but need practice of years!
@@gipsymelody1268 you don't have any knowledge outside of what you've read on a cellphone, no need to stand on a digital soapbox and express your ignorance
@@gipsymelody1268 Yes, they are everywhere, but in battle they first play a role after the distance for pole-arms has been breached. Some cultures (e.g. Chinese and Japanese) even had pole-weapons with sword length blades. And pikes of four metres need quite a bit of training - especially when used in formations. And a pole-axe needs some training too.
In historical accounts swords are mainly used as a side arm for the middle distance (quite often with a shield which has also been used in combination with pole-weapons). In the short distance knives ot daggers became important.
Roman soldiers have been conscripted for 20 years, so they had a lot of time to train - and they carried a shield (sputum), spear (pilum) and a sword as a back-up weapon (gladius). The Chinese call the spear the queen of weapons. With the introduction of guns, the bajonet made them to a kind of pole-weapon.
Against amoured opposition a pole-axe or a warhammer is in general more effective (but ypu can of course half-sword).
@@KlausBeckEwerhardy in historically accounts swords was not side weapon! And the area was matter! You could not use spears in a forest or in a siege! Only on plaina and drylands (where is enough space!) also there is many historical painting the warriors has only swords! And swords was the most expensivest weapons… for sword need years of education and training… for other weapons even enough few days or a month! And just forget how in a time romans used only gladius with shield… mostly the late roman era!
Also forget how the cannons existed in the middle of the middle age! (First hand canons was around 700-1000. And even guns was around 1300)
Also just forget how a real battle was totaly different… more slower and more tactician… (raids was different also the smaller fights)
Also even if spear has distance advantage it’s not matter when you have a heavy armor! (Not plate but already gambeson, chainmail and scale armor or splitted even chest-mail and another pieces)
@@gipsymelody1268 Read a lot of historical accounts about battles?
Cannons and guns are not really the same - but arrows and javelins have been important too.
Swords are fun, watching sword fights is more entertaining than watching people going at each other with spears or pole weapons, but most historians agree that swords tended to be secondary or back-up weapons most of the time.
About the effectiveness against different kinds of armour look als at experimental archeology. Matt Easton or Shaversity publish a lot to this topic here on RUclips. Or Megatron.
The kendo-ka is not bad actually but just the giant scythe is too strong 🤣
Range is always superior...so yeah
Scythes aren't BAD but they weren't really historically used on the battlefield for no reason they're not that good and the biggest advantage they have is that of surprise and inexperience od opponent with a similar weapon i think most of us including the kendoka would try to defend against it as if it was a spear which is a mistake
@@thenine895 Yeah, especially this variant of a scythe seems extremely difficult to fight against in a 1on1. Its front blade is greatly shortened and it also has a back blade which makes it even more unpredictable. A true assassination weapon. It also reminds me of the Kusarigama, a good weapon to fight dirty.
It seems the kendo guy was hesitant/afraid to close-in during the first half of the video. When he backs away, he actually plays to the scythe’s range advantage.
Had the kendo guy being more aggressive to close-in, at the same time scythe guy launching an attack, kendo guy may have being more advantageous.
Scythe has more advantage in the longer range/reach, yes. But it has disadvantage in the duration needed to launch/complete one attack.
I know this is more easily said than done. But that’s the weakness of the scythe the kendo guy needs to explore to gain upper hand.
@@reallifeengineer7214 As for me I'm also a little hesitant when it comes to a new sparring partner. But the Kenjutsu guy adapts to the scythe after some time.
And as I already said, it's much more unpredictable than you might think. This ain't a sword vs spear match where range is the only important factor. The scythe doesn't need to stay at a long range, it can also close by to a middle range since its cutting edge is on the inside.
Honestly, you guys do such amazing videos, they could be used for reference in animation for pretty much anything or even some really great film choreography.
I'm actually here for that, reference in how would you actually use a Scyte in combat. Pretty much the stand already help me a lot❤
The little scythe on the back that he is constantly stabbing himself with is hilarious
Why didn’t they just turn that one around it would make the weapon so much better. He even rotates the weapon to use the little scythe. If it was just facing the other way you wouldn’t cut yourself constantly and you could use it the same way but better cause you don’t have to rotate it first. I know it’s just cause they thought it looked cool or would get clicks, but it’s such an impractical design xD
I love at how unexpected this Battle was with a Scythe being used. Bloody hell I enjoyed it...found it different and exciting! 💪😎❤️❤️
Haha same!! 🔥🔥
I’ve personally thought about designing my own scythe based off of criticisms of it.
A spike at the top of the pole would make it more of a threat instead of purely relying on the scythe blade.
Or perhaps a smaller scythe blade behind the bigger blade, kind of like the hook on a hammer. It would give more opportunities to hook and disarm, while giving a counter balance to the broad forward blade. The extra weight would also make a fearsome piercing weapon.
I wish I thought about the smaller hook at the bottom. I love how he used it to hook around weapons and propelling the blade in a single motion.
A spike on top would certainly be the way to go. Make the angle on the scythe slightly more severe and sharpen its back edge so it can do some push cuts while maintaining its ability to hook and reach past blocks. Maybe a hammer or axe head on the back side, effectively making it a poleaxe with an extremely large bladed beak. All that on the head of the thing may be a bit hard to handle though.
That's somewhat wondering into the realm of a bill hook, which is likely the best hooking weapon, since it was used a lot
it's not unlikely optimizing a scythe you'd end up designing a halberd, which is probably how the halberd was born in the first place
@@PronteCo the idea was inspired by the Halberd, but instead of an axe blade, it’s a scythe blade.
Hybrid weapons have been done before.
you gonna made a halberd not a scythe.
I feel like this scythe weapon would have a very lopsided weight with the round handle and angled blade. It would probably be difficult to effectively fight with, as you can only cut by pulling inward. Id like to see an actual war scythe in use at some point.
True it's not so good.
Try sharpening the other side
@@lucasalexandre3801 even still itd be lopsided and awkward, and not very easy to land hits with
@@jestfullgremblim8002 pros and cons, the angle means opponents need to create *that* much more space between themselves and the tip and block, while he also has to be aware of a wider cone of possible attacks around himself. At least thats what VR teached me, so take it with a grain of salt
Much like an axe the scythe blade might help you index the weapon and have proper edge alignment. Agreed on the round shaft tho that's rarely ideal.
Honestly wish these videos got more views. love this channel and the various weapon matches. It helps alot for doing animation work. Keep up the good work!
“You died” at the end hilarious!!!😂
That was really interesting to watch!
I think the schythe has a huge "experience" advantage in that a schyte user trained how to counter a sword (common weapon), but a swordsman didn't train much in how to counter a schythe (rare weapon)
And indeed the swordsman starts getting a lot better in the second half of the video after he gets used to it. Too bad in a real encounter he'd be already dead :)
To make a parallel, it's similar to lefties in fencing - at least at a beginners level: they have an advantage because people are used to fighting righties. At advanced levels it evens out because there are quite a few lefties
But still.. I feel if a swordsman was properly trained against a schyte he'd be able to exploit a lot of weaknesses (shcyte is heavier, cannot stab, and opponent can grab the shaft)
My little sister is left handed but was taught to sword fight by a right handed person (me) this unfortunately made it so she's better than me if she utilizes the fact that she is technically able to swap hands on the fly with no loss in dexterity. She's actually scary good with a sword, I made her a custom short bladed estoc with a slightly curved tip (akin to a thorn on a rose) to give her better control.
Hey . . . since weapon like katana sword was not the best weapon back then, why did the samurais use this kind of weapon?
@@JohnKickboxing think of the katana like a sidearm. It wasn't the main weapon used by samurai even though many carried them. Samurai were also amazing archers, Spearman, and even staff users. The katana and wakazashi were used as backup weapons.
@@ralcogaming7674 👌
i don't think it's that the swordsman is untrained in the matchup
it's litterally that the weapon difference is HUGE !
all the Scythe guys has to do is go for a reach with a circular blow, and 50% times it will land. 50% the opponent will dodge but by getting out of range, getting no real advantage, back to square 1. The ONLY move the swords man CAN do in order to win, is a complex 3-part move, where he 1-Parries (...somehow?? already pretty improbable!!) 2- grabs the pole 3- finally strikes
A lot of things can go wrong. When you rely on a 3-phase move with an improbable start, VS the oponent can do the most basic thing and still have the upper hand the vast majority of the time !!
Personally, if I got in a fight against a weapon that has TWICE my range, AND I cannot parry... !!! then I'd JUST RUN.
The scythe user actually looks like he knows what he's doing.
the way the scythe guy fights reminds me of a crab, it's also partially because of the way his weapon looks
3:38 i am VERY impressed with the read and reaction time from the kendoka, intentional or not that was a great reaction.
As far as the scythe is concerned; It's a great weapon: It allows you to attack from different angles (especially when 2-sided as is the case here).
It also allows you to displace your opponents or resitrict their movements. Especially the knees, ankles and shoulders are excellent targets
The best close-combat defence with this weapon is to pull your oppenent in with the scythe until you are chest-to chest. They can't strike and you get to cut their chest/abdomen open, this doesn't work very well against stabbing motions though :D
He isn't a kendoka though, he is a kenjutsu practitioner.
@@Neochrono kenjutsu includes all forms of japanese sword-based martial arts. He is a kenjutsu practicioner since he is a kendoka.
Based on his gear, the areas he typically strikes at and the fact he's shouting on hit I'd say he's a kendoka for sure :)
@@hieronymousblackmane9152 He is definitely using some non kendo techniques. Also his sword shouldn't have a scabbard, since kendo doesn't have any drawing cuts
@@Neochrono I'll take your expertise for it then. I wouldn't know all the details as i practice polearms and not swords xD but thanks for pointing it out!
@@Neochrono No, he is a kendoka. This is W.S. Yeom, I believe that he is 2dan kendo, but they have said in other videos that he has never trained any other style of kenjutsu.
“Do you want to go to hell with me”
Yeah, i heard grim reaper said that
That was pretty cool, I like how towards the end the kenjutsu-bokken user smartened up and would parry, block, grab the scythe then stab.
I would have used both the sheathe and the bokken if I had to go against the scythe user myself.
You can't go traditional against an untraditional bout.
this is the coolest channel on youtube
Grim Reaper Jutsu.
Do shinigami wield scythes too?
So about the same as most pole arms. Hard to get past them due to their reach, but once you do, they do not have much answer.
The Scythe is such an impractical weapon (well, because it isn't a weapon) but it's such an imposing and intimidating one!
"Do you want to go to hell with me" a warriors I love you lmfao
Badass. The scythe is such a cool weapon.
I know it wouldn't be conventional, but I wonder why the outer edge of the scythe was never sharpened (at least to my knowledge). I know it excels as a piercing weapon, but it seems like keening the outer edge would simply make it more lethal.
Love It!
Please do Kenjutsu vs F22 Raptor in flight.
It will be awesome 😁
I thought the scythe thumbnail and martial art was BS until I saw he does Krabi Krabong, an actual style. I've been looking for scythes and scythe fighting for a while, this is awesome!
Hungary and the West know more about the war scythe, a reforged version where the scythe is put parallel to the handle instead of the perpendicular(ly) way.
The sound effects and dramatic music makes it 10× better!
Nice video. It is easy to see that the swordsman have little experience facing spears-type of weapons using katana. Specially a scythe type, which is a spear made for cutting and stabbing using side-ways attacks. In my experience, katana have a hard time against this kind of weapons. Tho, it is something that with years of practice against it, you can do lots of things.
If you look at medieval polearms, it seems like they also had this kind of hooking possibilities. People had a lot of experience with scythes so it's likely that similar weapon designs felt comfortable even for those who had little experience from fighting. Farming tools probably had more influence on weapon designs than they get credited.
The thing I admire most about the sword is you can fight from the outside and the inside, where as a spear or in this case a scythe is for the most part all outside striking if the distance closes the scythe wielder is in trouble
My preferred stance vs weapons with range is O Gasumi, Ko Gasumi, or Te Ura Gasumi. I can parry and counter fairly well vs a spear, staff, polearm or greatsword with these. 2-hand scythe is tricker but it's more viable than using a standard offensive guard like Seigan No Kamae. Anything with range is going to own that.
To combat the scythe, your best choice is to either grab and attack or counter his attack after blocking it. But its easier said then done.
This is why the katana was a secondary weapon. The blade is too short in order to help close the distance of the sword - the difficulty is, however that this is a scythe - not a spear. Getting around to the non edge side is the main goal for the sword to reach the strike zone. This can become very hard still because it’s a sword against a pole arm
There seem to be very interesting ways you could use the scythe as a weapon, even to the point I think it could be viable over shorter range weapons, like an axe or a sword, probably not something like a spear though.
“The scythe is used for cutting grass”
Yeah and also used for cutting you 💀
But as a weapon, it is garbage compared to a war scythe.
@@datyeen that is just a glaive
Nice! I would have liked to see the swordsman grab the pole more to see what counter the scythe comes up with.
The explaining after every round is very Nice and I like it alot
Got some Bloodborne vibes from this match. Good stuff! 👍
The giant scythe looks cool & dangerous, for all involved with the back blade facing the user, I wonder how many times the guy with the scythe would have injured himself?
The killing was too mad, and the lovely sound effects just made it madder 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m not sure what he did (check min 1:26), but it almost looks like that full move in combat would cause the opponent to fall on the blade. If it’s nothing correct me, but dang
> 2:55 WAOOOO it was so beautiful, straight out of a movie !
This is awesome! While watching this I also thought of one thing to change and one then to add to the weapon to make it even more effective!
Change: instead of having a smaller hook facing you on the bottom, have a a spike/spear tip. Keeping that threat while reducing it's likely hood of hitting you.
Add: a small spike sticking out opposite of the main blade to allow for more of a puncturing attack against armored opponents along with opening up some other techniques
It is real fun of you guys to experiment with the fantasy and different weapons ..against..should do more in the future...
I haven't watched many of these; are they meant to be primarily just entertainment rather than accurate, exploratory, or educational?
What purpose does the small scythe/hook facing backwards serve? Seems like it would be way more functional if you don't have to rotate your main scythe offline every time you want to employ the bottom end and then rotate it all again to bring the main back around to offend your opponent...
i have no clue about weapons or anything, but my 1st thought would be to counter balance the heavy scythe blade, possibly using a heavier metal for the smaller blade
@@tankmaster6062 Give yourself more credit, that's a good thought. Weight for counter balance makes sense and would be very practical to make the weapon easier to wield and possibly quicker. However, you could achieve the same result with a forward orientation of the bottom end so this doesn't explain the reversed orientation imo.
Actually thought about this too. But it somehow looks neater. The other way around it would be a little bit like a Klingon weapon 😉
at some point u guys need to do Niten Ichi Ryu vs Kenjutsu
That scythe is incredibly difficult to manoeuver in a manner that would inflict incapacitating wounds, but its also incredibly difficult to parry
Brilliant! thank you for showcasing these weapon styles and having fun while doing it :D
3:46 i really like this attempt at forming a localized hurricane to throw the sword user off balance. Really nice technique!
deve ser mt daora fazer um sparring de katana com os amigos, tipo fingindo que vcs são ninjas ou samurais
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Scythe master is death himself! 😂
Thanks to both gentlemen for this awesome demonstration. 💪👍
3:46 was just beautiful 🖤
1:48 bro did glory kill
FR 😂😂😂
The way you presented this with the blood splatters on hits is great. Also, it looks like the Scythe is working as intended..
The sound and visual effects makes the shit awesome and fun to watch… Lol
I suppose the real scythe would be much heavier than the prop for practice ? Does this make long weapons have unrealistic advantage in these series of simulation fight between different weapons ?
something that i find a lot of people don't know about the scythe is that when used in war it was sharpened on both sides of the blade so you could slash with the front & back edge of the blade in a swinging motion, or if you wanted to you then can just use it like a bo staff with a weighted end by flipping the scythe so the blade is facing towards you, then you can actually use the outside edge to slash as you swing it like a bo staff.
a few slashes i like are pretty simple the first one you just swing the back of the scythe upwards to either hit your opponent with the pole end of the scythe, slash them with the backside of the blade or deflect their weapon and then you bring the the scythe down on your opponent with the exception of if you hit them with the pole, if you hit with the pole end you then have to do a full 360 spin in the opposite direction and perform a wide swing while spinning, the 2nd slash i like with scythes is a little more complicated but it can be performed vertically or horizontally you hold the scythe extended with the dominant arm with the blade of the scythe facing backwards and swing it in a wide arc either horizontally in front of you or vertically upwards you then grab the scythe with your offhand and either bring it around to the side you just slashed from for a followup strike with the front edge of the scythe or you just strike from the side your 1st slash ended on
Whoopy frickin doo...come at me with a staff snd youll get shot before you take a step
This looks goofy AF bro 🤣
When your opponent comes at you with a pole weapon make sure to use the pole to its full advantage. Got it!
This why swords were backup, pole weapons were battlefield weapons
Saludos desde Colombia los admiro un gran trabajo videos muy geniales me encanta las artes marciales muy bien
Only problem I had with this video is the sword wielder played it real while the one with the scythe didn't. Got tapped on the hands twice. Show us what you can do after your hand has been disabled in combat. It's unlikely after being cut on the hand in nearly any situation that you would maintain a proper grip on that weapon. It's bigger and heavier. It would make sense that the pain from having a hand cut or stabbed would prevent accuracy when wielding a larger weapon.
3:50 was the only classic demonstration of what to do when using sword vs pole arm
Just a suggestion, but the blade faces up when the katana is placed at the waist to prevent the blade dulling and the saya being cut through. (Yes, I’m aware it’s a bokken, but it still bothers me)
Please get this guy on again.
面白い！
効果音が良い感じ。臨場感が増しますね。
どっちも格好いい。
That spin attack really art of master
:)
He’s using it more like a hook than a spear, it can be used both ways.
sound effect really nice😂 and the closing sound sound like dark soul.😂
If this guy dressed up in a Grim Reaper costume with a real scythe, he'd be the scariest thing ever.
You should have the Krabi Krabong guy go against a Kali/Eskrima expert. I don't think there's a lot of vids that have those two styles sparring
I'm always curious if these techniques could be utilised with the real weapons. Taking into account the metals and higher quality materials to make the weapon fit for battle, it would surely add a fair amount of weight to it that at the least would tire the user out very fast to the point where a loss is inevitable or make some techniques downright impossible if the required strength isn't there.
I'm obviously no expert on weapons so I could be completely mistaken but to me that's why spears were always the most common tool in warfare, they were lightweight and therefore could be used by someone of only middling strength, rather than a weighty poleaxe or billhook.
. Cheers to both the warriors 👍
I love you can hear them laughing while they go at it. This is super cool.
I'm not a fan of that *smaller* blade on the base of the haft pointing towards the scythe wielder; I don't think I need to explain why.
I *do* however like the fact that, while it's curved, the *main* scythe blade's not so strongly curved as to throw the tip out of line with the *rest* of the blade, which would've *stopped* it from *stabbing* ; that shows that a Grim Reaper style scythe like Zasalamel's really *would* be an effective weapon if it was designed that way, as this guy doing so well with it shows.
4:03 I love this moment, it's hilarious
It's like phase 2
insertion of comments from the opponent is a great idea!
Estou lendo um manhwa na qual o personagem usa uma foice como arma, e pensei quais seriam os movimentos reais em uma luta, existem muitos protas dark que usam foice ultimamente rsrsrs, gostei do video, foi interessante
Next, Naginata vs Battle Axe!
I really like how your training with a lot of non-traditional or different weapons 👍🏻
4:25 waht are you trying to do with that sword?
Morale of the story: fight to keep the distance comfortable to YOU not your opponent
i love this channel
This is a very interesting but a different style than I have seen before. and also a slightly different shape. The style I have seen emphasizes continuous movements, not immediate return to center guard, and uses the back end more than you did here. Ie if the initial cut misses you come around with the back end most times instead of stopping and returning to guard.
Kinda crazy how the scythes biggest weakness, close quarters, is balanced by the sheer terror someone has seeing that fucking thing coming at them
Very interesting. I wonder if hooking and pulling your oppenent closer would be a detriment. Obvious the scythe would cause severe damge but pulling them closer might open you to a counter attack that will end in both people mortally wounded
My best part was “you died” after the npc enemy killed you then posed 😂😂
Bloody good entertainment!
Subscribed. Great content.
It’s a shame how he didn’t use mikiri counter😔
Mikiri counter is meant for thrusts. That Scythe is sweeping alot, so he needs to jump more hahaha.
Yeah... I just love scythes, and this video shows a working way of use in a fight
I think, you should try role-play fightings in Irkutsk.))) We do same things.)))
Nice demonstration. Katana at the beginning hit the wood of the scyth several times, I am curious in a real fight if the katana would actually damage the weapon or even cut right through the wood leaving him with just the wooden pole. And the second disadvantage I see with the scyth is that it is not a close quarter weapon.
Katanas or any blade for that matter wouldn't usually cut through hard wood used for making poles, however they could break it eventually in a battlefield. Axes have a greater chance of cutting but even then it's usually more than 2-3 hits and its quite hard to hit the same spot while there's someone moving the pole to basically kill you. So you wouldn't intentionally try to break it unless it's maybe a duel and you're trying to show off. Even so, polearms broke during wars quite often, which is why people would carry swords to the battlefields. Sword is an inferior but more durable second hand weapon.
When duelling with someone with a ranged weapon like spear , staff or scythe etc. It is better to get in close quater to reduce their range and mobility to decrease their advantages 😮😮.