IS NVIDIA RUINING YOUR PERFORMANCE?
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2024
- Rumors of NVIDIA's planned obsolescence have been around forever, but now we finally investigate.
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NVIDIA RUINED MY FPS IN VR PORN VIDS WITH DRIVER 384.94!!!!! PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE!!!!
Me too!!!! And big tits lag so much now...
4K vagina's don't show up wtf?
planned obsolescence is usually older gpus like my gtx480 suddenly getting nvapi.dll blue screens of death to be fixed by running old outdated drivers and waiting months and being restricted on what games that i can play until they finally fix it.. Yes it did happen it was the worst thing ever its why i dont jump on every single driver update the moment it hits.. I give it a few days and i wait to hear if anybody mentions about it causing issues or stuff..
JaayOnPC well i mean, youre using a 480... that's a 7 year old card, 2 versions of windows, and a lot of other updates.... it kinda makes sense they arent optimizing for that anymore, and this is coming from a guy who likes AMD and Nvidia equally.
Bitch lasagna.
IS NVIDIA RUINING YOUR PERFORMANCE? ...no
Just saved you 9 minutes
Thanks!
you should have done a Spoiler Alert!
well why whuld NVIDIA make fps worse it whuld make them louse any old users to get a new if i it happends all the time.....well its not like thew shuld do anyway
But it did break shit on both of my laptops, Lenovo Flex 15 with gt720m, anything after 359.06 makes the drivers crash pretty constantly... but the performance was better in sense of fps count.
Thanks. Going to go waste 9 minutes anyways.
Is NVIDIA slowing you down?
No.
Apple is.
they also!
Burning please dont talk bullshit like that, NO COMPANY makes a GPU just fail like that, get a brain please
True
Hyperus Samsung does. And apple.
@@nujturahb.1678 oh wow they both Not making GPUs but hey
I think we need an update video
Pucius they are actually nerfing the 10 series. Even if its 1fps a month. They want people to buy those god awful 20 cards
@@nws6146 not that I don't believe you, but if you could link some hard stats, that'd be great.
Also, what makes the RTX series "godawful?" (other than price and the fact that hardly any games exist to take advantage of ray tracing)
Diego2112Gaming no. There making claims that they’re tweaking the “prioritization of the cards” for better overall performance, but it’s affecting fps for older cards
@@nws6146 Again, proof would be appreciated. I'm running a GTX 660. From 4+ years ago. I still get the same, stable FPS I've been getting on all of my games, and I'm running the latest drivers. Again, not saying I don't believe you, just saying from everything I've seen and experienced myself (and on all of my friends builds), I've seen no real performance issue on any older cards, except on games that are above what they're capable of handling in the first place (I'd not expect to get 60FPS on Ultra Settings with my card in Rise of the Tomb Raider, ya know?)
Also, you didn't answer what makes the RTX series of cards "godawful?"
Diego2112Gaming True. Maybe I got sucked into Nvidia conspiracies. RTX cards don’t suck, but they suck for the price. I’ve seen ray tracing at my friends house, and it’s not what its cracked up to be. Kills the fps.
15fps in No mans sky with gtx 950... GG
Joseph Payne I have an i5 5600k and a 4gb 960 only 26 fps on lowest.
Joseph Payne it isn't really a metric of Nvidia it's badly optimised for PC's
Krish Ram
It's a terribly optimised game for sure. In games like Titanfall 2, I can manage high settings 60FPS with 2gb card fine
Joseph Payne eyyyyy WHAT THE FUCK???
Krish Ram i5 5600k?
I love how Linus has 4 graphics cards (four different people's life goals and dreams) just sitting in front of him as props
how are you at the very top of my comment section
@@braydoncoate9583 he has the most likes idiot
TL;DR No.
It was always a huge no. No idea how people believe some anonymous sources that back up their claims with literally nothing.
You read a video?
TL:DW
Battleboy43 subtitles exist...
Im living in 3017
Battleboy43 you don't know how to read a video? Sad... bet you are one of those right handed people, stuck with a useless left hand only good for anatomical balance 4Head.
Tried to play Crash Bandicoot on my PC, but it crashed.
soooo..... it worked as intended ? i go in the dessert now. bad joke
No. It means "NVIDIA RUINED MY FPS!"
Woah... :(
Crash crashed the crash crash?
Great Wall - I guess you didn't get the joke.
Integrated graphics master race?
onboard graphics m8, wut now m8
got dem AGP blues
radeon r5 yup im with you
IGMR! Master Raceeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! Bangs head on desktop chasis* Master!.. Bang* Raceeeeeeeeeee!
this comments smells burned insulating tape
finished witcher 3 with igpu at 10-12 fps
im a masochist
Now do the same with amd cards
Assassin Haris
😂😂 Most of the AMD cards improve in performance after they are released
kanna mustafa Because they're sold with half broken drivers
well a 290x that was left in the dust by the 780ti is still competitive with the gtx 970 today, while the 780ti is quite far behind.
and you can't even call the amd cards performance back then "bad" so i don't see why amd cards are "bad". you get worse performance for a short while, but then become competitive with later generations of nvidia cards , effectively allowing you to keep the cards for longer period of time, giving you more bang for your buck
sure, if you want the best and greatest and want to upgrade sort of often, go for nvidia, they're great cards and you don't have to wait for optimization.
290x is not hd 7970. That would be r9 280x
Assassin Haris Poor jake
sponsored by Nvidia™
2000 iq
they are paid. tested drivers myself. results are vice versa.
@@bariscansuzer4039 really? Lol i hope that's true, for some weird reason.
link to data you have collected? @@bariscansuzer4039
@@bariscansuzer4039 screenshot or it didn't happen
Missed the +30% performance driver for the Titan Xp that dropped recently??
Yeah that's why people accuse Nvidia of holding stuff back at driver level.
Yep Yep
They're not "holding back" anything as much as they're "not entitled" to give you quadro level compute performance in a consumer card. You should be happy for the fact that they even enabled those features.
If the card's capable then really is should be available. If they wish to hold back performance because "reasons" then they get this kind of flak. Rightly so IMO.
Seeing as my other passion is cars, I'll give you an analogy:
Buy car, find out that it has same performance as higher model, but ECU has locks limiting it's performance. Use modified/replacement ECU to unlock that extra performance at a fraction of the cost the car company wants for the model up.
The artificial segregation is pointless. It starts with trying to sell a product for less, then it results in artificial reduction of performance to profit. It's a practice that stinks and should be highlighted wherever possible.
TrixX PC Gaming You read the reviews and knew EXACTLY what to expect. You paid for a card that met those expectations and then down the road Nvidia decides to give you more than you paid for. Wheres the fault here?
TrixX PC Gaming I will concede that if there has heftier competition they might have been forced to unlock drivers to edge out performance. But I personally dont have problems with this type of gimping. It in no way encourages anti consumerism or slows down tech advancement. its just marketing
These rumors started after reviews comparing older generations to AMD vs. Nvidia, as new Drivers for both were coming out, AMD gained a lot of performance while Nvidia did not evolve and in some cases lost performance.
Joao Cortes
Amd leads in drivers now surprisingly.
What? Having shit for drivers on launch and then making them ok isn't leading in drivers. They don't even clear shader cache on reinstall. Do you have any idea how many problems that alone causes?
It doesn't work that way. Newer games have to be optimized for older cards. You cant change hardware.
its pretty advanced and generally the gpu companies can have a better life if they take some of the optimizations into their end to fix all the perf issues of a certain title so they take up the reins sometimes
well... if you count fpga...
Buying a R9 290X / 390 was worth more than an Nvidia competitor of the same level only with Drivers
At the risk of being hunted down, I used to work at NV. There is no planned obsolescence. There is a point of diminishing return (any more work, does not improve anything user-experience noticeable), but it's about 10 years after release - realistically at that point most of the hardware will have either died, or the machine it was plugged into died, or the OS will tell you to get bent and upgrade triggering a new system build anyway.
Linus, you are correct - you can't turn a 1980 Honda Civic into a 2012 Bugatti Veyron, no matter how good the "driver" is. Eventually if you want the extra performance, you need the new hardware. Some features things can be emulated in software later, but if the feature is optimized in hardware of the current generation, there's no way it's going to be as fast, as efficient, or not have an impact on everything else the software was trying to do in that time frame - unless the new card is a big Fermi (which still makes me cringe).
AMD fanboys are going to think you're the next Hitler for working at Nvidia
Tim S Planned or not, the point is that AMD's cards have an odd quirk that they have better sustained performance against future software with new supportable libraries.
There are people who want longevity over performance, and find too late that NVIDIA cards can't keep up with AMD cards of the same generation. If the break point is only a few years, that cost can chew hard overtime for people who want the latest GTX x80s and x80Tis.
kinda like how intel used shitty silicon IHS thermal paste that dried out and caused nightmares for a few generations of CPU recently... you want to know your civic has modified piston rings before you slap on a turbo and nos essentially..
i think a lot of them play for whatever team gets the best out of the market for their needs, and some play harder than others. just pretend some of the crazy ones are really just out there for themselves... and others in turn.
why did you leave NV then?
This is when Gameworks steps in. Push some new tech just because it is new and competitors(or your older) products do not support it. When you realize developers aren't that interested, you fly bunch of engineers to do it for them.
"Some features things can be emulated in software later, but if the
feature is optimized in hardware of the current generation, there's no
way it's going to be as fast, as efficient, or not have an impact on
everything else the software was trying to do in that time frame"
2:49 -> the clip is reversed?
I have been watching you guys for 2 years and love almost every video that you guys create. I love hearing the opening music and the quirkiness of the videos is always entertaining. Last but not least, the knowledge and data you share with us is always appreciated
2:09 that lag in The Witcher 3 though :D
i know right. made me cringe a lil
this is me when I play Minecraft Java Edition with SEUS PTGI on a GTX 1050 times a half
Thats not lag, that’s good ole 15fps
When Overwatch came out I got about 50 fps. When Nvidias driver was released I got about 70. I like that.
do you have a card that is older than 3 years?
GenAdams yeah I used to have a GTX 745.
well, overshit is completely irrelevant but..
Eh...Overwatch is not a really intensive game in practice.
I like how anything good said about nvidia and amd fanboys make excuses like "overshit is irrelevant so your case doesn't matter"
*Looks at comments*
*Instant cancer from fanboy wars*
hehehaha cancer
The hell!? Nvidia keeps draining my FPS in game X! Wtf! (PSA: Don't download driver YYYZZ!)
It's not really in drivers, it's some technologies that they push on dev's,
recently I noticed war thunder, with each update performance decreased, my A8 laptop can no longer run the game (building destruction that doesn't even work right), my brothers PC that has Nvidia also cannot run the game anymore(with the waveworks addon).
Sad thing is that the things they add are not optional to run.
lol he was making a joke about the thing linus said calm down
welcome to games getting console editions 101. optimize your game for consoles and tank the performance of you pc game in doing so because the techniques you have to use simply don't fall into line with pc graphics solutions
mmmmmmmmm...... beef burritos.....
::runs to Taco Time::
Its a conspiracy!!!
You dont need to plan obsolescence , it comes pretty quick regardless of you planning our not...
That's not NVidia's fault. If they still support video cards from 10 generations ago, I really doubt NVidia is the problem.
didnt say it is their fault, just saying stuff get obsolete, people dont need to plan it
There’s no planned obsolescence. Rather, the rate of obsolescence is quick
its like when you buy a chair and after a few years it becomes a little worn and makes some creaking sounds but its still fulfilling its function of supporting your arse ^^
lol, this is inaccurate as fuck. Do you know that the first commercial light bulbs could last for years? Then planed obsolescence became a thing in the light bulb industry and and it took people great deals of money to light their houses. For decades light bulbs were a product of the rich. Now after 100 years we finally have light bulbs that can last a lot without costing as much.
And you can notice this trend everywhere. Nikon dslr cameras are made with less expensive material, witch is more fragile, so it will break after a few hits and you'll have to buy another one. Back in the day every single camera was made of metal and hard material. The only way to get such a dslr now is to pay for their high end equipment that you don't even need since you are not a pro studio photographer...
What about consumer electronics tho? Hard drives, ram, screens! Everything in the low price range uses pieces of hardware made to break in a matter of months. This saves a fraction of the cost in manufacture and the company get's to sell the same thing over and over again because stuff break and then you buy new ones. And we've accepted it, since it's that way from the day we were born. But you have to understand that this is planed, stuff don't just die.
And I am not talking about being on the bleeding edge side of things. I am talking about stuff breaking when it shouldn't and it's still relatively new.
In before AMD Fanboys call Linus an Nvidia Shill Completely ignoring all the praises to AMD from all there recent hardware launches
True
And you're first!
all the praise and the not so happy with Intel episode
All I see are people who worship companies who just want their money.
DanielRichards644 haha the only praise they will egt are there CPUs. There GPUs are meh I rather get a gtx 1070 over RD Vega 56
Nah, AMD Fanboy here, it's all good.
Seriosly tho, can both sides stop pretending the other's side are extremist? Kinda makes you seem like one, just on the opposite side
My assumption of why people tend to feel this way is for 2 simple reasons (that have exceedingly long explanations):
1) Physical degradation. People, including myself, don't clean their computers often enough. Dust can harm performance, and even damage components. Slower components are slower. Even for those who do clean regularly, wear and tear from heat is a thing that will occur over the years. Plastic and metal aren't magical substances that never change. Expose them to enough heat (or cold for that matter) and over time, they will be affected. Granted, this should be over _decades_ not years, if there are faults in the material during the production phase (there absolutely are) or if something wasn't assembled correctly (possible, but less likely) that estimation of decades _could_ conceivably be shortened to years.
2) Money sink (return on investment) vs perception. Even if you've gotten 3 or 4 good years of performance out of a GPU, CUP, or whatever, as newer, better products start to be released, yours will start to look antiquated and slow. This makes people _feel_ like they are being taken advantage of. It makes them _think_ that they didn't truly get their money's worth out of something, even if they've gotten several years-worth of reliable performance. They don't track this and don't factor it into the overall value of their experience. They want the best because they paid the price for admission. I don't blame people for feeling this way, I feel it too, but perception matters at least as much as the overall benchmark score someone can get. And when something no longer gets that top benchmark score because the price of admission has gone up, the _perception_ of what they paid initially is suddenly shattered, and the equipment they have is now seen as some sort of highly orchestrated scam.
I have a 960m in my laptop, currently to this day I cannot update my driver because it kills performance in solidworks 2016. I've heard that only quadro cards are supported for SW but this still doesn't explain the 80%+ degradation in performance when I update my drivers. Do a quick google and you'll find other people with the same issue. Nvidia's newer driver ruins performance for my 960m. And this is in addition to the whole screen tear issue I have to deal with for games. Avoid 900 series mobile from Nvidia.
Same for my 860m ~
Well, then start writing a driver. Oh and update it on a monthly basis once you're done.
Christian O. The 900m series was actually pretty good, a massive step up from the past. That's why I went and blew my money on a 970m laptop. I wish I had seen Pascal coming, because that was an unheard of boost in performance. Now that same computer with a 1060 is the same price, and it's nearly double the GPU performance. Or, for a little extra, it can come with a 1070. Plus, I could have a G-Sync display, which means I wouldn't have Optimus and I could actually use Nvidia features like fast sync, Ansel, and stuff like that which isn't compatible with Intel GPUs. Optimus actually is horrible, and I'm not sure it even saves a significant amount of power usage. I'm stuck with it too, and if the Volta rumors are true, it isn't even worth getting a Pascal laptop because Volta may have a similar jump in performance. I really hope AMD can compete, because if they don't Nvidia may become what Intel has been, and then we're all screwed.
Christian O. Do newer drivers really reduce performance for the 900m series? I’m asking coz i also have a 960m
Steve Sherman
There are open source gaming drivers like mesa (intel+amd) and nouveau (nvidia)
Linus needs to redo this video in late 2019
Syed Azhar 2020*
@@maxh6979 dude, that comment was 7 months ago, that was 2019, not 2020. Maybe look it over before you try and prove someone wrong. There's nothing more embarassing than to try and prove someone wrong or try and seem smart, and then you're wrong.
ADiehardSavage Gaming holy shit how stupid can you be i was trying to say it is now 2020 and he hasnt done one.
Thanks to Okezy for correcting me. I appreciate Savage Gaming for defending me. Both of you are right in your own ways and I'm glad that this community has nice people like you guys. Let's show how peaceful our PC Master community is so that we can attract more people into this hobby. Have a nice day 😊.
Syed Azhar i fucking hate my life
Bring back the blonde hair Linus.. So we can call you Slim Shady.
"Never rolled out a bad driver" ***Shows Asian guy driving***
best comment ever
denis
That moment cracked me up. Sneaky joke.
Asian girl*
he can drive like my grandma
1:47 oh, well that's easy! Jake, I'd like to see the same thing with AMD. Looking forward to the results, thanks.
I would assume the lower fps are not becaus older hardware but because the shader files that nvidia packages into the drivers are removed for older games.
That would mean that the old game where your old card was able to get around 40-50 fps with Nvidia driver "optimized" for that particular game is after a driver update with newer shaders (and the old removed) is not able to get you 40-50 fps.... I heard this statement from a gamedev so I'm not 100% sure but I think it sounds logical.
The other thing that people seem to foreget all the time is that gameupdates can also negativly affect their performance.
finally a sane comment, thank you spliffer
it's not "exactly how it works" but it isn't that far off.
a lot of it performance issues do come from the previous driver being deleted when the new driver is downloaded and installed. a lot of people forget that many updates require a full reboot to completely finish installing... so if you don't restart your computer after updating your drivers you won't be getting a lot of the optimization and personalization settings that were enabled on your previous version.
Is this video sponsored by Nvidia?
sure 100% cause the video is pure lie!my gtx1080ti since new drivers 390 come out starting to performing worst and worst!
@@AL.farmlife it did get reported dont worry ur not alone..
maybe learn to install drivers and system correctly. Guess You ruining Intel cpu and dont have a fucking clue that last windows messed up performance on intel cpu platforms ?? Maybe go whine to Microsoft instead ??
@@AL.farmlife when u get the older driver are u getting better preformance
@@AL.farmlife it's your card getting older, bud.
I have noticed a few instances where my FPS decreased after a driver update, only to get back to normal again after the next driver update. So I think it's a driver version by driver version basis whether your FPS will be affected.
I realy dont know but every time I have driver update for my 970 gtx it some how fuckes up the drivers so I need to do clean driver install...
I see your AdBlock , Linus. 0:19
You have to be stupid these days to not use one. The internet is full of adware shit.
cant stand youtubers that think they have some special right over us not using adblockers, youtube was never intended to be a place for these people to make money, youtube is the mall channels have no right to free rent and im sure as hell not gona turn my adblocker off for any "content producer"
Just watch on your phone if you want to support
I think it wasn't captured on Linus's computer (probably on Taran's but I'm not sure).
well , YT is whitelisted in my uBlock
This definitely isn't the point of this video, but I do think and interesting comparison would be to compare cards one driver update after release, and to now to see how driver updates incrementally increase performance. This just showed that at release, the respective generation performed as expected. It would be more interesting to see how well nvidia maintain older generation cards for new games with drivers, as isn't this the issues many people are concerned of? To be fair Linus does state that older cards do not get full optimization, but a better question ,I feel ,would be by what degree? And what are the performance losses? If you wanted to be really cheeky you could extrapolate from this data about "futureproofing" 😅 not that I know how to do any that x.nice video
Edit: benching older cards at release drivers then benching same card with latest drivers
This happens in pretty much every piece of technology you buy, new software comes out which old hardware isn't optimized to use, phones are extremely bad for this. Android phones slow down immensely over time, which is why they sell contracts in 2 year periods because after 2 years you're more likely to renew your contract for the phone upgrade because your current 2-year-old phone is being shit.
Even smart tv's are the same, the software evolves but your hardware does not so after 5 years your smart tv apps will be sluggish compared to a brand new TV. The more you spend on your gadgets, the longer it takes for it to slow down enough to start pissing you off but it will happen eventually, it's inevitable.
I have no doubt that companies like Nvidia could do more to prevent this from happening (or at least slow the process down) but why would they, they aren't gonna spend money to lose sales.
mrmoo 2 year contracts have been around since forever
anyone who ever bought a mac computer know this, every new macos burdens your older model more and more and well you can't (easily) change components so ya buy a new one !
no its not and most providers now offer 6 monthly upgrades dont think you know what your talking about
no its program to fail!cause nobody wants that your phone work forever!i still have 3310 and its still working like clock!
memory filling up also cripples android device performance over time
GTA V in 1050 ti 78 fps (2017)
GTA V in 1050 ti 59 fps (2019)
No NVIDIA doesn't fuck you up.
I know that most likely no one will read this but I wanted to share it anyway. I have a relatively old laptop (with a Nvidia GTX 770M). Back when I first purchased it, the latest driver that I installed could run Bioshock Infinite at 60 fps on maxed settings easily. A few months later, on a newer driver I opened up Bioshock Infinite, and found that the game was running at around 40 fps on the same settings and the same scene. Naturally, I uninstalled that version and re-installed the older version, and to my surprise the game was running at 60 fps again. The same runs true for GTA V. If I were to play it today I'd have to turn down the settings to much lower than before to achieve that 60 fps. If I wasn't running on windows 10 I imagine I would still be on a much older driver, the one that I installed when I first got the laptop.
I can relate, I've got 1 new game that on my current driver performs well. I updated to a newer one(1080Ti launch drivers also GRWildlands "Game Ready" Driver) and saw performance degradation, in that game AND Unigine's Valley benchmark where my 980Ti was getting beat by a 970 my friend owns. I uninstalled it and rolled back to my last driver and finally was able to beat the 970 and got performance back in GR:Wildlands.I haven't tried anything newer for fear of more regression/degradation.
Did you make sure your graphics settings were the exact same? I remember once I updated my drivers, and for some reason, it thought I could push the settings further on my old gaming laptop. It didn't, but once I tweaked my graphics settings again, I was able to play no problem.
And of course, simply upgrading a driver vs. fresh installing it could be a culprit. sometimes, unless you do a clean instalation, it can mess things up, AMD or NVidia
What was the driver version?
Same here. All my games stutter more and more with newer driver releases.
Aviraex my good old 8800gt still runs bioshock infinite with 35 fps+ on very high...
Oh, this videos is going to have a wonderful comment section
now investigate 'finewine' AMD drivers. there is a legitimate argument to be made about better performance over time from AMD cards.
It's just that almost any AMD product, for whatever obscure reason, has half-baked drivers at launch, so, the following drivers are improving the situation simply because they were bad to begin with.
Try more "common" cards like GTX 960-70s...
next video debunk water cool ram blocks
HAWK3y3s93 i do it for dust free enclosures
>"bad driver"
>asian
This is why love such tech channels.
Here's the problem: Pascal cards have been out for over a year, and Nvidia still haven't fixed Windows 10 issues on Optimus-based Pascal laptops. I have a freaking gtx 1060 and a quad-core i7, can max out most games, and yet I'm getting *constant* microstutters inside Windows no matter how updated my drivers are. This has been confirmed to be an Nvidia driver issue, because *every single stutter* is linked to a spike in dGPU activity. Had a laptop with a 7970m before this one (also on Windows 10), and didn't have _anything_ like this.
Nvidia might not be ruining your in-game performance, but it definitely ruins your overall system performance and user experience.
download the 1st or 2nd release of drivers for this card.
yuh will have optimum performance throughout
latest is not always the greatest
The problem is clearly the i7
You might be the only one with that issue because I've never seen a single person complain about stutters in games. People review 10 series laptops all the time and I'm pretty sure they would notice the stutter if they had half an eye. Something's wrong with your specific laptop.
I hate the fact that they fucked up Shadowplay. I think it's back to normal now, but at one point you had to be online and have an nvidia account to use it... Not to mention the attrocious UI. It was fine the way it was a few years ago.
TessellatedGuy, you might wanna try and reread my comment. I clearly noted that my in-game performance is fine. I also stated that that _system performance specifically_ is suffering. Windows 10 stutters, not games.
tl;dr they don't and never did. Gamers Nexus did this same test and so did Anandtech, yet a lot more scientific with historic data going back a decade.
"fan boys will be fan boys no matter how much info you throw at them" - LTT
Wow, that sick FF6 reference. Linus, you're the man.
Some people are so ungratefull in the comment section, they literally ran an ass ton of benchmarks and the data was very nicely organised with plenty of information. Tanks mr. Linus and the team
Well I'm ungrateful, the idea of drivers updates hampering performance was never a thing, some people just don't know how to assimilate the information they read and spread crap.
Yes there were a few bad drivers, but that's "normal".
The problem is with the GeForce experience, most games that had GameWorks added after release show a big decline in performance on both AMD hardware and older Nvidia cards.
Example: War Thunder is a good one, nor the worst or the best.
Why would you have planned obsolescence in graphics cards? Its almost the best market to be in to have returning customers. The games constantly change and update, requiring better performance, therefore requiring new hardware.
Nowadays, there is planned obsolescence for most electronic devices. You see "2 years warranty" where there used to be 5 or 10 years, they know the product will not last for long and they *don't want* it to last. That's why they now call us "consumers" and not "clients".
in the computer hardware industry we have always been consumers because of the progresson, there is no way software is gonna make your GTX560 run VR...
GauerSE Maybe buy something that lasts instead of upgrading your gpu/cpu each year.
Actually there is, software is way behind what the hardware can do and this is purely because of software consoles like Microsoft maintaining legacy compatibility and high level APIs not having enough granularity to be able to do some proper VR with a GTX560. A wise man in the comment section once said "Maybe buy something that lasts instead of upgrading your gpu/cpu each year"
Big market share. People think that AMD sucks and that's why they will buy NVIDIA anyway.
As an opposite to this, I think AMD drivers might actually improve performance. I've heard of R9 290x cards outperforming GTX 1060s.
No matter what side you choose they both make it better in a small difference
The architecture is the one to blame. So for older Nvidia gpu we shouldn't update it as long as we're ok with the current driver we have since updating causes a lot of features of the new driver to be implemented by which the gpu will struggle or be force to use everything it has resulting a decrease in performance regardless of its optimization. Some people wouldn't really care on how the new drivers make the game better in its visuals and optimization for as long as the older drive still provides a decent job at this aspects.
@@pauloazuela8488 interesting assumption, but is there any real ground under it? My investigation shows that some games gain in performance (up to 50%), some lose performance (again up to 50%), and lastly some do not differ in fps almost at all when comparing 39x.xx vs 44x.xx
that happens cuz GCN was made like a multi output channels gpu, and most games only needs one output channel for rendering, thats why in GPU power amd its better but in real game scenario nvidia gets better performance, cuz they have a better one channel output, and amd needs to improve their drivers to force them to use more of one channel in games, thats why u have the ''fine wine'' perception in terms of performance any time they release ''new drivers''.
To get it easy, GCN is like... FX amd processors, they were ''okay'' when they were released, but now in new games (u know new games now are optimized to take more than just one or two cores) they still keep up really good, they are not the best but u know, times doesnt hurts them as much as any other gpus.
Didn't Ltt make a similar video proving a similar point sometime ago?
Yes. 20 fps with New drive, 90 fps drive 399.24. Restart safe mode, no Network. Run ddu, restart, install the drive 399.24. Bf1 back on track again. Thanks me later
so true
What does "run ddu" mean? I ask It because I am actually afraid that my gtx 1060 3gb will decrease his performance with the new drivers... So... Could you write step by step what to do? Thanks
@@heedshootz_gaming9381 That is called "Display Driver Uninstaller", which it means just clean GPU driver installation.
@@heedshootz_gaming9381 So go to settings, update and security, recovery, advanced startup, restart now, troubleshoot, advanced options, startup settings, restart, press 4, then run the DDU and select device type to GPU and driver to Nvidia, then select "clean and restart". And then obviously install your working GPU Driver.
@@heedshootz_gaming9381 Also using "msconfig" is much quicker just to get your PC to boot into safe mode as well.
Something that wasn't mentioned was the OS update(s). The last 2 win 10 updates dropped my (older)PC's performance by more than 25%. New OS updates can add software that slows down your PC overall, not just benchmark tests.
Do one of these videos for AMD.
They should make a video comparing old AMD cards vs old Nvidia cards, on the games of that generation of cards and current games.
rlam905 FineWine™ :)
Linus say no more because AMD must be good than Nvidia
Gnarly broᵗᵐ
Just how did you answer 16 minutes ago? O_o
he probably has special access
If you have absolutely no life you can see it pop op on the forum while they're still fixing the description and stuff, I was lucky enough to have my brother mention to me that it was out.
Billy Elliot Video was unlisted
He probably has float plane club
My nvidia card simply don't work with the latest drivers , no game will even open like I don't have a card. I use an older driver with gtx 860 m on asus rog g551jm and everything works smoothly
Abdullah Zafar Then you should check all your hardware.
Same, 860m runs like shit, i have to reinstall the drivers and that maybe fixes the problem like 2 times out of 5,and i know it's the 860m because when i use my 970(i have an alienware with the graphic amplifier) everything runs perfect, and it's not something i have installed because i even tryed to reinstall windows
As an Nvidia 10 year+ fan, I disable updates until a game requires it because drivers do fuck up, but it's different for each pc, and I had to switch back to older drivers more than a dozen times in a couple pc's to be sure of this. Perhaps it's not intentional but the problem is real and more common on older pc even if you play the same game with the same hardware/software shit. Amd does it as well tho...the pc of a friend of mines can't work past certain of its drivers update!!
All my games work fine with the 870m on MSI with the latest driver, I am talking BF1 and later games
Updating drivers only made my older games slower.
My GTX1080 (non-Ti-sh) is the perfect evidence that NVIDIA don't slow down their old GPUz0rz.
Only thing that is actually ruining our performance is Windows!
RamsesTheFourth for real actually. Windows 10 clogs up your processes with so many useless things. Whenever I boot up I spend at least half a minute just manually ending a lot of pointless background processes. Like Microsoft store doesn’t need to be running at all times. Nor does photos. Nor does Microsoft edge especially considering I use Firefox.
It’s insane how much process bloat there is.
MapleLeafAce true, windows has seen clogging performance of PCs for years and actually some programs have been seen taking +50% of the CPU processing power. Also Windows will F up some times and make some update that does horrible when playing games
The last Drivers made my OC unstable:(
PS Card is 780ti
try 385.28 two ones before that gave me driver crashes
Smithy Smit Thank you will do :)
recently rolled back to 399 drivers. And would you know, I gained 5-10fps.
how can you get back your old drivers in nividia cause before my game runned better then after updating my drivers
maybe new drivers are made for newer games and they fuck performance for old games
@@siegfriedfaust8425 Go to device manager, click on your graphics card, then drivers, after that press "go back to previous driver". it says something like that atleast you cant miss
@@vivvidabbugee2195 or just uninstall the driver with dds uninstaller then install what driver you prefer.
The way I handle the bloatware feel of the current nvidia software is once I update my drivers I immediately remove the container exes and other crap that always runs in the background. I never needed it in the past... I guess we can always go with modified drivers if those are still a thing.
This video makes sense to me. I had a GTX970 and I thought It was a good video card, but as time went by and getting driver updates on a regular basis, I noticed weird things started to occur partially when playing video games, Web browsing, video recording, and streaming. When i used an older video driver some problems went away. The only thing is that the gtx970 is not that old. I now have a GTX1080 and I don't have any driver issues at all.
RarPcGaming same thing with my 970, i started noticing some weird freezes or performance issues from one day to another, specifically with MSAA, i remember being able to turn msaa up to 8x but now when trying to do it in games like Max Payne 3, which is a game form 2012 , my gpu go nuts and the temps start to get up too 85º while it should be just like 70 or less
FLESHPWND hey i have Same Problems with my GTX 970 from Asus the Desktop is lagging Like when i move my Mouse its Drops FPS in some Games its working perfect for example battelfield 4 but csgo is lagging when i move my Mouse GeForce experience say i have 100+ fps any advice from you guys ? I tried all i know
Weird i dont have that with my gtx 970. can you describe weird things?
Recorsi you have the newest drivers ?
Guys, finally I'm not alone. I experience the same freezes and even some crashes in some games with my two 970s with error messages regarding graphics drivers no longer responding, it happens essentially in Overwatch (a game that has good SLI scaling) where my 2 cards are burning in the 90 degrees °C. I hate this. I recently got a new monitor, its a 1440p 165Hz G-Sync IPS panel. Too much for the 970 I guess. I'm upgrading in a couple of days to two 1080s and I hope the newer drivers will avoid me those issues for a quite long time.
Yeah nvidia is doing that, my gt 210 used to run crysis 3 on 4k max setting 70fps
Now all of a sudden i cant run ms paint!
maybe the real crooks are companies like Asus. My 1060 runs some newer games better than older games where both are "optimized" with experience. Also, with some games, my 1060 performs better with high graphics settings than with low.
asus doesn't control the performance or power of a GPU on the PCB the only thing they control is some type of RGB controller and the cooler itself if they change the main PCB it would destroy the card
i d like to know, how chip generations are depending for difference in performance? the same instructions, the same cuda api library, chips dont change its architecture extremely different
Tin-Foil Hat Brigade assemble!
3:36 got me killed xD
It seems like performance degradation has happened between 399.xx to the new ones currently
It hasn't
microsoft update
Proof? URL@@lordzed83
I really doubt that. Just updated from 388.71 to 411.70 for Forza Horizon 4 few months ago - actually was curious myself and tested some games shortly again before the driver update and after it - no change at all IIRC.
There are so many factors, too. Did you try completely removing the driver via DDU and doing a clean install again? That could maybe help..
i dont know if linus is blind but you can pretty much see the pattern that the older generation gets worse on the first newer generation driver, and then gets normal again.
Personally, I was disappointed in this video. At 2:37, the test parameters are explained: "So we eventually settled on the drivers one release after the launch of each card that we used." The charge has always been that they slow down performance for reasonably older cards - NOT cards that are just one release behind. Why would you test just one release after? You're missing the entire point with this test, and if you're truly a skeptic, you'd want to actually CHALLENGE your bias by giving a good test, not having a sub-par test just to confirm your initial bias. If someone here can tell me why what I'm saying is wrong, please share, I'd be eager to be proven wrong.
Nvidia is all for destroying performance when the method is even more harmful to AMD. Less performance for everyone, but a wider gap in benchmarks. GameWorks is a bane to game performance.
To be fair, gameworks was always a feature that was practically just there for when you revisit a game in 3-4 years with better hardware.
I couldnt use hairworks when witcher 3 came out, but boy am i happy that its in the game, because now i have a pc that can run it at good framerates and it looks very nice.
Was it worth the -50% fps when it came out? No. But is it worth the -50% fps now with better hardware when i get 100+fps anyway? Yes.
Its making games somewhat more future proof.
NVIDIA RUINED MY FPS IN GAME X WITH DRIVER YYY.ZZ!!!!!!! PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE!!!!
Should I uninstall it ?
I think the worst part about both teams is that they don't just have releases every 2 or 3 years instead of ever year. Games would be more optimized, everything would be more optimized, the graphics cards would be more polished and what a wonderful world it would be.
Hi i have gtx 590 before 6 month i was get on bf1 a 48 frems on medume setings but with the last driver update the 2017/08/14
I get abaut 54 frams
Mahdi ALmiskeen 54 fram oil filters will sell to get you multiple 1080s
I updated my GTX 690 to a recent driver and every game I tried crashed. I then backdated my card to a 272.XX bio and it works perfectly. Kind of seems like they don't want older cards to work.
This isn't a case of "do bad drivers happen". Yes, they do, and it's both sides. This is a question of whether or not Nvidia is slowing down their older cards with each new generation launch.
hey what driver works the best for you?
I am with you, encountered similar issues myself as my graphics card grew older to the point that it became really obvious. Almost wish I recorded all my benchmarks with time stamps so I could post them as a response to this poorly researched and somewhat misleading (in terms of how they define the problem) video. The problem is actually very stark with low end older or really old graphics cards unlike the mid-High tier 1-1.5 gen old graphics card that they have referenced here. I have gone from 50 FPS to 20 and back to 50 FPS after a driver update and subsequent revert, also this is not consistently the issue with all driver updates which makes it difficult to discern clear patterns, but the problem is definitely real and this video seems like it was deliberately obtuse in terms of how it inquired the issue.
I wont bother to watch Lynus`s long video, I ll just share my experience. On 650m after 3 years of updates, Nvidia just removed a whole feature (anti-alializing type csaa). Fortunately i noticed it relatively soon(fps drop on L4d2) so i roll backed via system restore. You are left with the choice of using more demanding anti aliasing option(MSAA) and thus lowering performance, or not updating at all and thus be almost completely unable to play later titles cuz of lack of optimization driver. I leave to you to make the conclusions on what business practices are used. BTW the word conspiracy is almost always used to hide one, by making jokes and destroying any investigation, or accusations before it takes momentum. Usage of planned obsolescence by companies is a fact, denying it doesnt make it disappear. ** For clarification laptop bought 2012, driver which removed CSAA support 2015**
Why wouldn't you use FXAA? Plus it sounds like you are running a lower end or older card that can't perform on current gen games at any reasonable FPS or resolution.
+Crippling Depression Eh How is that even relevant to his point? The fact that the board doesnt hold up to modern games doesn't change the fact that nvidia removed csaa on the 2015 drives.
Nothing can change that, because they just did...
And why did they do that? I can only guess, but it probably has something to do with discontinued support for csaa after the 700 series.
They didn't allow their older product to run a feature that the newer cards couldn't run, if thats not tanking alder products i don't know what is.
Man. I loved how you choose the testing criterias. Nice choices there.
Optimizeeee!
Don't Optimizeeeeee!
OPTIMIZE YES
SANDBAG NO
THat is exactly what a employ of a nvidia subsidiary would say
Crimson Wolf Tell me this is a joke.
Who's still sporting a 680 in 2017?
Taylor Starcevic I got a 8800gt. Haha.
Aight here is a tip, if you play R6 and suddenly see ur fps drop by A LOT after a driver update make sure that the screen rendering bar thing in your graphic settings is set to something that fits u and not 100 (im sitting at 35-40) I got a 60fps difference after changing that
35 secs over 250 views god damn it
bad driver lmao 3:50
Linus you didnt even benchmark the drivers, you sponsored liar
Tests in games is the only prove less FPS means that new drivers sucks
@@EmilM-pb2hn its a prof that linus would sell his ass for a pair of headphones so he can drop them on a flor
Next Level no. Incorrect
Sometimes I wish youtube benchmarks would test AAA and non AAA titles.
What about games like killing floor 2?Grim dawn?Subnautica?Insurgency?
Etc.
They really slow down video cards after some years!
Don't update drivers!
@@branko4138 Yea, you are right, but sometimes it's needed for the VR..(
Would be great to see those numbers for AMD!!
0 fps, 300℃
That's why Red is better than Green; it still operates at 300C! /s
Juozas Domarkas?
Thallan old AMD CPUs could withstand stupidly high temperatures (read: 110+C) and still operate without frying.
Your video description just happens to tell people to buy Nvidia cards. I'm sorry, but that's a red flag for me when it comes to benchmarks. And this video just happens to come out right when the Titan XP got a performance "upgrade".
Have 980 and have noticed for 2 years how performance jumping around. For some games it made missing textures, and stuff like this, but most terrible of all is having update driver once per few days because nvidia has lot of them lately and not so much use of all them
AMD is well known with the fine wine effect where there cards get better every time they update the drivers
Because the drivers are normally shit in the first place
@@gameofthronesshorts9052 doesn't sound like a proper claim
@@gameofthronesshorts9052The drivers don't get gimped , can't say the same for Nvidia. 2 weeks later and shit hit the fan ihi?
@@oranges866 Its true AMD don't have the funding Nvidia have. Sadly AMDs drivers on launh always underperform relative to the hardware's potential. That's why there's this so called 'fine wine' effect. The fact vega clocked slower then the Fury x really was indicative the drivers were terribly unoptimised.
@@A.Froster Yeah that was pretty bad. Its why I have the Nvidia control panel uninstalled. But imo it is more likely an issue with the driver rather then deliberate performance drop. I'm guessing it will be fixed quickly if not already.
Is gtx 1050ti an old card? I'm afraid that it will lose it's performance.
It is still very new and will still keep getting updates for its performance...
hater ater lol what performance
Nope, if you want a lower end card to play games at 1080p then it is a great choice. I would recommend at GTX 1070 for 1440p and a GTX 1080ti for 4k. I personally and currently use a GTX 1060 6GB and it gets pretty high fps on any game at 1080p, and some games at 1440p, though it is capable at playing games at 4k it isn't recommended.
1050ti is the best pascal card if you bought it for msrp! The price to performance ratio is incredible! Same for the 1060 but the cocksucking miners never really let it sell for the right price!
Rajiv Chemburkar I’m having really bad performance in BF1. 30-40 fps dips to 20. Got a g4560 1050 ti and 8 gigs of ram
Linus is a Nvidia shill but i don't mind, i like Nvidia and Linus both
7:16 were is ncix with their "Linus Spitting" , good old days
I want the GPUless pizza
We need an updated version with mid range and budget graphics cards like gtx 1650 , gtx 1650 super, gtx 1060 and gtx 1050ti
why wouldn't he say the contrary? dont forget he's sponsored by nvidia..
Guys can I play games at 4k on my 1050ti?
no wtf
Fals3Agent on 10 fps yes... if you have a 1050ti and a 4K monitor. What?
Buddima Dalpathadu
You can, but the newest AAA Games wont be playable
Yes. GTA 5 as example or other games from 2012/2013 or older. Its obvious you must set down some settings, but the you get over 40 fps.
Yes at low
Solution : Dont update the Driver :p
I second this
I've had my GTX 960 for 7 years. It was quite good until about a year ago. I only use it for Second Life and Elder Scrolls Online which both ran excellent until a year ago. My friend has a 660 which did great until that same time. Something really changed, guess they aren't doing any optimizing because they are unplayable. Simply opening Firestorm viewer took about 2 seconds 3 years ago, compared to about 45 seconds now. Graphics in SL loaded instantly and fps quickly went to 150. Today it can take 5 or even 10 minutes for everything to completely load and fps tops out around 50. Elder Scroll takes triple the time to both open and close the game and freezes often while closing with very low CPU. It was a good run but these old GPU's are trash now. Time to upgrade.
When Linus puts an ad IN THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER AD.
Pinhead Larry what?
I got an ad in the middle of the Squarspace ad.
Nvidia = apple. Should say everything you need to know :)
Except market share :)
So many salty AMD fanboys in the comment section.
Rather all the salty Nvidia fans who cannot accept the fact that their drivers crash and suck and try to blame the OS, other software or the hardware for it xD
TheFreeFlow that is a example
MGazT same! Intel is trash
But linus, i got 500-800 fps on minecraft but after some driver updates i only get 180, this happens for other games too.