Sarah Michelle Gellar Speaks Out Following Charisma Carpenter's Allegations Against Joss Whedon
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Sarah Michelle Gellar is speaking out following ‘Buffy’ co-star Charisma Carpenter’s misconduct claims against Joss Whedon on Wednesday. Carpenter posted a statement to Instagram where she alleged Whedon ‘created hostile and toxic work environments’ on the sets of ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ and ‘Angel.’ Gellar later posted a brief statement to Instagram, writing, ‘I don't want to be forever associated with the name Joss Whedon.’ These new allegations follow ‘Justice League’ actor Ray Fisher’s misconduct claims against Whedon, which spawned an investigation by WarnerMedia last year. ET has reached out to Whedon's reps for comment.
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I am glad that Charisma spoke out about this. She was bullied for her religious beliefs, weight, motherhood, etc. It sounds like Joss created a very hostile work environment
Seems very intolerant
If she is a catholic then why did she get divorced? Catholics dont believe in divorce. motherhood? he asked her was she keeping the baby Aka can i plan to have you in this series or not...
seems Like bullshit
The book is so ridiculous I don’t blame him.
@@PsychoKillertheGame That's not true. Jesus allows for divorce if someone is cheating or other extreme circumstances.
Now I'm starting think it's a reason why Eliza AKA faith didn't show up to the reunion hmmm
Cordelia isn't a slayer but Charisma is.
Yes and she’s gorgeous at 50 still slaying. Josh Whedon is a horrible human being it certainly seems, terrible.😐
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Cordelia did tell those vampires to get lost in her ranting in an episode of Season 2 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, though. 😊
She actually auditioned for the role of Buffy, and Sarah went for Cordelia. Funny how things work out.
#IStandWithCharisma She has mentioned that her pregnancy was the reason she wasn't asked back to season 5 for years... but I had no idea about all the malicious abuse she had to endure during her last season. Whedon is an absolute monster.
@The Truth v Brendan Fraser she talked about this for years... but why are you simping for Josh Whedon? Just curious.
@The Truth v Brendan Fraser ok boomer
@@brianbaratheon that's a shit response
@@MrDeano-eu9rg cool
@@MrDeano-eu9rg hey Deano.....that's a shit response
Oh wow I had no idea Charisma was fired from Angel, I thought she left on her own.
Well...if she was indeed fired from the show, I think that makes David B. a bit of ponce. If he did know and continued without simply saying well...the show's called Angel...bring Charisma back and treat her right or you'll be renaming it something else. If he didn't know, why wouldn't he have investigated the sudden departure of the show's principal costar?
It always seemed a little weird how she was taken out from the show, this explains a lot now that I look back.
@@bgill7475 Totally. Then she came back for that one random episode, which kinda acted like she was coming back, but then it was a fake out. So strange. I wonder why she came back for that one episode in season 5 if she was upset by it.
@@Flareboxx She wanted to come back because she liked the script and would only come back if they didn't kill off Cordy. She wanted a proper closure for the character and for the fans. Joss promised he wouldn't kill her, and then what happens, he added in that last scene of Angel finding out she died. What's interesting is they wanted Buffy to come back for that 100th episode but SMG was busy so they asked Charisma to. Makes me wonder if we would even hear or see Cordy again after Season 4 or if they would briefly mention her.
The show had actually been cancelled at that time. The producers said they would give it another season if they got James Masters (Spike) into the show.
Unfortunately, they didn't have enough money to keep all the actors. If Masters came in, someone else had to go.
It’s come to my understanding that when dealing with deep seeded traumatic issues, mentally and emotionally you have to prepare yourself before facing the monster. We have both male and female stars who have worked under joss whedon and are speaking out about what they dealt with on set. Now many of you don’t know what set hours are, but they are grueling, long and tiresome. So imagine being belittled non-stop at work and too ashamed or scared to speak up because you might just be black balled and lose your career. A career you hoped, prayed and worked your butt off for that 1 chance that this particular project may be your catalyst to success and longevity. So please take that into consideration before you open your mouth and call bs👌🏾 Now I don’t believe in cancel culture, but I do believe in calling out negative behavior so it is corrected as we all deserve to be respected and feel safe, especially while at work.
This is literally happening to me in my internship right now (I'm a graduate student in the sciences). This resonated a lot with me even though I already understood and believed CC's allegations due to the outpouring of support her statements had.
It's really hard to speak out until you have nothing left to protect. But it still takes a toll emotionally-speaking, even if it is much after the fact.
I love what Joss created, but I am sad that he treated people so poorly.
And imagine having to be in charge of all that. Imagine having to attempt to communicate your beloved artistic vision to a crew of actors who don't always get it and aren't always cooperative, while dealing with budget limitations, producers attempting to manipulate your vision in favor of a more profitable one, facing the constant threat of cancelation, dealing with strict filming schedules, limited special effects, all while maintaining a balance in your own marriage and family life.
Joss Whedon delivered some of the best television via four shows (three good ones) and entertained and influenced thousands of devoted fans. He launched the careers of young actors. He featured beautiful women in a way that didn't exploit their sexuality, but rather wove it into the narrative in a believable and respectful manner. He made men gentle and sensitive without weakening or emasculating them. And he did all this via engaging action, genuine humor, and a narrative that slapped cliché in the face.
All I've read is that he was a boss who had tremendous pressure placed on him and got stressed at times. That "toxic" environment helped facilitate some amazing performances. And hey! Who's speaking out? Does David Boreanaz have an issue with him? How 'bout Anthony Stewart Head? Has Allison Hannigan taken to Twitter? Julie Benz? Juliet Landau? Seth Green?
Nah, they've been too busy actually having post Buffy careers to really worry about tensions of sets past.
But the fan base is the real villain here. How quickly the people who once lauded the brilliant writer/director Joss Whedon only to now go cancel culture crazy on him is a turn swifter than Angel finding true happiness only to become Angelus.
Screw that. Thank you, Joss Whedon, for providing some of the best television I have ever enjoyed.
Well said
she's 50!?!??!
She looks 35, at most!
that's 50?!!! bruhhh i thought she was younger than JLO what the actual FK they need to show us where this fountain of youth is from okay
she looks 55 / 60 easy ... you must be looking at old photos or videos of her.. She looks her age saw her and her husband in person 8 months ago
Yeah, she looks busted. Definitely aged. You must be looking at pics from like 20 years ago. Even SMG looks busted.
delusional
@@cactaceous Um no
Being a huge SMG fan for most of my life, I was acutely aware, over the years, of her dissatisfaction with BTS things on the show, from subtle things she did and said back then. I stand with these women, times were different back then where employers could get away with so much. This is a post metoo era, and Joss does certainly owe Charisma (and whoever else) a sincere apology.
How could you tell? what king of things did she do/say?
yes!!!! agreed, you could really tell how she felt back in the day she really didn't hide it
she even "joked" about him being an A-hole and how they disagree a lot but you could tell she wasn't actually joking
Sarah was no saint, though. I saw a news article about Joss behavior using as an example a story James Marsters (who played Spike) often tells about Joss not liking Spike's popularity and being frankly aggressive about it, but James also told stories about Sarah behaving entitled, superior and being distant from most of the cast because she was 'the star of the show'. The movie/tv business back then was a different beast. Joss's major mistake was thinking he could behave the same towards Ray Fisher in 2015/2016 as he did to his cast of Buffy back in the 90's. Sarah is a smart woman and I'm 100% sure that nowadays she wouldn't behave like she did in her Buffy days if she were playing Captain Marvel herself (Brie didn't get the memo, though).
I'm not even sure why I'm pointing all of this out though, since I honestly don't care if Joss is or not canceled. He deserves it regardless.
@@lorenagagamonster If you're not sure why you're pointing something out or don't care then you should probably save your comment. It is irrelevant, clearly. This story was about Joss' behaviour NOT Sarahs. No one is a Saint! False equivalency. (Sarah knows her worth. If she carried herself that way, distanced herself &that came across as entitled, then so be it. She did not& does not need to prove herself to anyone. She is old Hollywood, working since she was 4yo& she doesn't take shit.) People are so unnecessary, sometimes.
The things these celebrities had to go through that we didn’t know. It is sad that back then everything was swept the under the rug until now when enough is enough.
Joss Whedon sounds like a nightmare.
It explains Xander. Whedon has said Xander was him in high school. When the divorce happened, resulting from his numerous affairs, it’s when Xander left Anya had the alter b/c he wanted to be with her but not married to her.
He looks like one too
Its weird to me that it did become a public information sooner. What Charisma said was actually well known among the fans. I don't know if the fandom knew about this when the showed aired since i watched it about 10 years later. But I do remember visiting the fandom groups or forums in early 2010s and the topic of her being fired because Joss was not that happy with her pregnancy was defiantly brought up in the discussions of the horrible arc Cordelia received. I remember people calling Cordelia's relationship with Connor the ultimate revenge on the actress.
I watched the show when it was airing and was mind blown 🤯 by that Cordelia and Connor arc. I couldn’t wrap my head around why they did that. It was gross and embarrassing, just so NOT Cordelia! I was so happy when season 5 came because things got fun again and they sent Conner problematic ass on somewhere. But Cordelia wasn’t on the show no more. I always had thought she quit on her own freewill but we found out later that Joss fired her! The whole thing didn’t make sense. I always expected her to come back because when it was airing, they made it seem like she was on a leave of absence. But when they KILLED her I just couldn’t wrap my head around it. Now hearing her speak out, a lot of things make sense. The way they did Cordelia was horrible.
Good for Charisma. I remember her giving interviews back then and saying she thought getting killed off was punishment for her pregnancy. I've had a question mark in my head since then about Joss. Not anymore. What he did was horrible and no one is to blame for his choices but himself. He Chose to treat his employees this way. Zoe Saldana did an interview after GotG where she said she was really pursued for a project, said yes to it while telling them she had twin baby boys and would need some accomodations. She was immediately told she was being difficult. She never named the project but I've often wondered.
The only people responsible for Joss Whedon's actions are Joss Whedon and studio executives who knew he was a predator and a bully and hired him anyway.
His wife has spoken up about him as well.
#istandwithcharisma
#istandwithrayfisher
I stand with everyone this predator hurt.
What did his wife say?
she deserves everything
His victims deserve justice. He deserves harsh consequences.
@John Connor
I have no clue what you are trying to say. And wtf does trump have to do with this? He wasn't president when Buffy, Angel, and Firefly were on tv.
But I will say this - I am perfectly capable of reading a book or watching a tv show/movie and having a different opinion of the author/producer/director.
Some examples:
* I don't agree with JK Rowling's opinions on transgender issues. I thoroughly enjoyed her Harry Potter books, however, and have fond memories of reading them. I have saved my copies in case my kids ever want to read them.
* I get a kick out of The Great Cthulu and the mythos for him and the other Great Old Ones. I also despise the racist and anti-semitic beliefs of the author and creator, H.P. Lovecraft.
And it's okay for me to keep my fond memories and enjoyment whether or not I decide to continue re-reading them. I will keep my fond memories of the characters, actors and storylines in JW's shows now knowing and appreciating even more the fantastic work put out by everyone on set. Fantastic work in spite of a boss who has no clue how to conduct himself around female employees or even his own wife.
It's like I tell my kids when we are discussing history and important historical figures, "remember that all these people, regardless of their wealth and power, are just that. People. All humans make good and bad choices. No person is perfect and if they tell you they are, they're lying. Our nation's founding fathers did some great things for this nation and it's people. Never forget that. We honor them for that. We must also recognize that they were human beings and made some mistakes and some terrible choices. This in no way diminishes the important work they did, but it does show us where some of our problems stem from and maybe a hint at making things better."
Yes I also teach my kids that we are a great nation filled with Human Beings and we are not perfect. We as a nation make mistakes just like all the other nations on this planet and we have to learn from them so we don't repeat past mistakes.
@John Connor
I had no clue that right wing trump supporters had a dog in this race, but yeah I get it. My focus this last week has been entirely on the weather, preparing for the worst and then gathering supplies and a tiny bit of money for Texas.
Angel wasn’t as good without Charisma! It was the beginning of the end.
@andrion waser The original plan was for Cordelia to become the main antagonist. There were also ideas floating around to bring back an evil Doyle before Glenn Quinn died.
I still like it, spike was on there
@andrion waser yeah season 3 was kinda boring , season 4 is a little entertaining, when I was watching the RUclips reactors I was wishing them to hurry up to season to season 5
Season 5 was the best season. Not that Charisma wasn't missed dearly, but it proves that the show functions fine without her.
@@YourCreepyUncle. yep. everyone's replaceable with the right captain steering the ship
I don’t think Buffy said much at all...
Depends on how you read her comment. It could be interpreted as a more diplomatic "I'm proud of being attached to Buffy but don't want to have anything to do with Joss". Rather than a "no comment" it is possibly made to seem.
She said she stands with her cast mates and that's what counts. Maybe she was not aware of everything that was going on with Charisma especially what went down on Angel as she was not on the show, maybe she was not the target herself that much that she can say something specifically and maybe she needs time to came forward as she's moved on long ago and what went down with Whedon is not her priority just right now with pandemic. But she made a statement which is more than can be said of some of the other stars like Boreanaz or Hannigan which is quite sad as Boreanaz with on the both shows for so many years.
@@Hotaru87charisma Is a bitch That's why she Was so good at Playing one
The truth is Sarah had to say something. Be silent is a sure way for people to start talking bad about her instead. In the world today you either say something for you get eaten alive. I think she was like " Oh, I stand with people's truth, now don't ask me anything else because I really don't care." Maybe he was nothing but a A$$hole, but some people can't handle people not telling how good they are or holding their hand. Either way, if he was mean, get over it. None of them were children when they worked with him.
She basically confirmed Charisma’s statement.
Be interesting to hear what David Boreanaz has to say on the subject.
I would like to hear what James Marsters and Nicholas Brendon have to say too.
@@Nadine-uh3qt Same. And Alison Hannigan. She seems to be a pretty outspoken person so I can see her not holding back. I'd also be curious to hear about what some of the people from Firefly have to say, especially Gina Torres and Nathan Fillion. Also, though I know that Eliza Dushku has voiced her support for Charisma, I'd be really interested in hearing her personal experiences. Whedon seems to be one of those who had favorites and Eliza and Summer Glau were in a lot of his different projects. Summer was really young when she started working with Joss so she might have had a different experience but Eliza was a little older.
@@miadavis4837 alyson won’t say anything, her alexis and amy acker are practically best friends with joss.
i also doubt david or nicholas will - nicholas maybe as he might’ve been subject to some of it but both of them have had scandals against women that they’re inviting to be brought back to the surface if they speak.
@@user-wn3kg2yk5b Thanks for the info. It's really hard to find anything related to Joss and the actors on his shows at the moment because all of this buries it in the search engines. I didn't know David had any kind of a scandal but I was too young to watch Buffy when it was on so I didn't know who he was until I started watching re-runs of Bones on TV, lol. What kind of scandal was it? Cheating?
@@miadavis4837 no problem! funnily enough i’m exactly the same and was too young to watch buffy and angel so started after i watched bones lol.
david had a couple of sexual harassment allegations on bones - i believe the info about that is on his wikipedia, as well as the affair of course. there’s also the thing about him constantly getting naked on the buffy and angel sets - off the top of my head it gets brought up at the reunion by sarah and charisma and i’ve also seen julie and eliza talk about it at a con before. the cast seemed to think it was funny so im not sure how much we should read into it but that definitely wouldn’t fly today.
Charisma is officially a slayer
Right I think she had what it takes to be a slayer but unfortunately they let Sarah do it
I didn’t know she was fired. I just thought she left the series when she had her baby.
I never heard she was fired either I have no idea
Yeh I knew, that's why in Season 4 she became a different character, betraying her friends and sleeping with Connor. She was pregnant in the show. He wasn't happy that she was having a baby.
@@nikw94so you picked up on that right away?
I am a big fan of Charisma Carpenter, and I am totally shocked by each allegation of the actors, as well as, give the upmost a Major Respect for having the COURAGE, too come forth and place this BULLY: Joss Whedon, on blast!!! During, the time the show (Angel), was in its final season, I always wondered why, Ms. Carpenter was not present as much!!! Especially, how the show ended in on a strange note, with her character in limbo!!! Now we know the actual truth too the story!!! It's a SHAME, for an individual too have been blessed with a talent for writing and creating new and different genres, but uses his gifts to justify his BULLYING!!!
how was her character in any limbo?
@@nostrum6410 .. Watch it again. If you happen to have the whole seasons. Joss was fake. Even his ex called him in his powerful woman BS.
@@sahirygnobehi6448 I'm guessing he's one of those abusers who goes along to protest other abusers to keep attention from himself.
@@Elijah1916_myhighway ... Yes. You hit it right on the nail 👍👍👍
Ive been rewatching buffy so thats strange haha
And I've been watching Angel on Amazon prime 😂
Me to bahah
I’m watching it on Hulu
I’ve been watching season 5,6, 7 on repeat most nights
If it was so bad to work for mr whedon, why did she choose to go on to Angel?
Probably contractual, there's often a clause relating to the network rather than the show (for cases like spin offs, it's more flexible). Initially both shows were on the same network, after Buffy changed network she never appeared on Angel because UPN didn't allow Buffy characters on Angel but Angel characters could appear on Buffy.
Charisma effectively appeared in 7 seasons (1997 to 1999 on buffy, 1999 to 2003 on angel) + 1 episode in 2004. 7 seasons is the standard length of most tv contracts....so may not have really been a "choice". Note Buffy itself only went 7 seasons (likely in part to Gellar being done) and Angel being 5 seasons (possibly because the first 2 years of a few of their contracts, particularly David, were on Buffy) .
He didn't start really coming after her until she got pregnant which was well after she had already been on Angel.
Good point.
Just say you don't understand abusive power dynamics
wait so joss whedon is accused of harassment but not necessarily sexual harassment?
the 1st thing that came to mind was his supposedly being a feminist, so it was shocking when i 1st heard of the harassment. reading more carefully, it seemed like his harassment of people was not necessarily related to their sex or gender.
please clarify if you have any further information.
Despite how much I loved Buffy as a kid, those memories are definitely tainted by what i've learnt about the vile human garbage bag that is Joss Whedon.
So many people were involved with making Buffy - including SMG and CC. All of those people made the show what it was, and we're still allowed to like it. Joss's behaviour should not taint everything he's worked on - it should just taint HIM.
♥️
@@EbbagullCorrect. The show was so much more than just him.
guilty until proven innocent. ah, got it.
That is the democratic leftist policy
A pattern of behavior over 20 years. Keep hiring a horrible man who makes horrible choices and has no idea how to even act with a 14 year old teenager much less a female of any age. Got it. He is not responsible for his own choices. Got it.
Glad the hubs and I are raising a young man who knows what common decency is and how to treat People. Glad we're raising a hellcat daughter.
@Rico Diaz Actually Creepy Joe Biden
In fairness, actors have been stepping forward for YEARS declaring Joss to be a total knob and nightmare to work with. I'm a huge fan of the Whedonverse, but him being a dick is not a shock nor are these allegations coming out of thin air. They've been around for quite some time.
@John Connor lol I'm liberal, politics have zero to do with it. Actors have been coming forward with *specifics* of his behavior for years. Believe what you want but perhaps research a bit before sounding ignorant when you try to make assumptions...
Not suprised at all by this, look at Weinstein, he’s serving time now. Makes you ask who else abuses their power😒
It seems like a lot of people unfortunately. I know there are still good people out there though.. we just have to have hope
Lol comparing a director that is hard to work with who had conflicts with a few people he was directing to a freak that regularly threatened to ruin careers of actresses if they didn't perform sexual acts for him is a bit much. Joss Whedon has been known to be hard to work with for years. It *isn't* always women and I've never heard of any sexual allegations. He may have sexually assaulted someone but I can't remember anyone even accusing him of that. He's a writer/director. Too many of them have huge egos. There have been a ton of stories much worse than any you've heard attributed to Whedon but they are from directors that are also known to be hard to work with. Yet everyone knows they are mean and aggressive people. So they are non-stories. At what point is this an actress that had an ugly end to professional relationship and disagreements with an egotistical director. It's kinda funny how this immediately gets thrown into the same category as Weinstein. I gotta wonder why she would sign up for years of working on "Angel" if it was really that bad. There hasn't been a single other performer from buffy that has said they had a similar experience. The girl that played buffy's sister said there was some rule about them not being alone together. Apparently it was later reported that it was a contractual stipulation that studio puts in place for minors on the set.
@@davidmurphy1207
I haven't seen THAT, (contract stipulation for minors) ANYWHERE, so pls link me to where it was "reported". *After all, SMG was a minor when she started the show.* And SEVERAL other performers from Buffy have said they had a similar experience. Marsters has said that Joss yelled at him, and that the rape scene forced him into therapy. Amber Benson has backed up Charisma's claims, as have Claire Kramer, and writer Jose Molina. (TBF: Charisma and Amber have just sold out tickets to a con for the end of the month, so.. Maybe Charisma got a definite "no" on the Buffy reboot and retold her pregnancy story now.) I'm not in total disagreement with you about Joss and his ego. I just think that Joss is trouble(d) and needs help.
Brian peck.
@@davidmurphy1207 I've worked with people who are hard to work with. That is ENTIRELY different from being abusive and harassing someone, no matter on what grounds, in the workplace.
We just finished binge watching Buffy & Angel. I hope they finally get some kind of justice ⚖. However, I am certain, that other than speaking their truth, shining a very bright flashlight on what Joss did, nothing else will happen.💔💔💔
Yes!! I’m a huge, fan of these series also especially during my down days and when I’m in the mood for some tele. I’m currently on season three of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, They are my escapes often including Charmed, it’s a terrible shame how the still “continued success” of shows such as these, become tainted. Due to the irresponsible, and abusive hostile behind the scenes treatment of the actors/actresses alike etc. From creators like, Joss Whedon, and other producers etc. 😐😔😐 Horrible I’m glad that they are speaking out. #HorribleShame
I was wondering what happened to Charisma to basically fall out of radar as she was my favourite on both shows. Talented and beautiful lady. This explains a lot
Has alyson hannigan said anything?
No. Radio silence from her.
Good for her! Both and actually all 3 ladies for bringing this to the front.
Now is she going to speak out about her husband’s tweet implying he wanted to smack Gina Carano?
husband or ex husband?
Her ex husband's tweet? It wasn't her tweet, now was it? When I last checked, men and women do not control one another when in a romantic relationships..
@@sallyjenkins8442 When did they divorce?
@@CryWolf-sm9iw like 12 years ago🤦
@@Hotaru87 She’s still married to Freddie Prinze.
Wasn't it Sarah Michelle Gellar when discussing the possibility of a Buffy reboot, “Ugh, I mean honestly … I think it’s the stupidest idea,” Gellar said. “ Buffy is Joss Whedon, so if you’re going to do a movie with other people, like, just make a movie about a girl who kills vampires, but that’s not Buffy.
That's because charisma Is a liar
@@dongxx She's not a liar. It's well documented that he treated at least her character like shit, when she should up to the set pregnant. I'm saying that she is being opportunistic
@@alexh8613 well maybe if she Would have you Know communicated that she was you Know Pregnant Instead of showing up Pregnant Without telling anyone I'd be pissed off as well but you're correct she Isn't a liar She's a bitch
@@dongxx Really, so she should tell him before she gets pregnant, if you hire a female for a position, you deal with these issues.
@@lifeonleo1074maybe she kinda Forgot that It's part of Acting to deal With these issues or get fired which she did and Let's be Honest she deserves it
That's why we never gotten a Angel season 6. I remember back that one of the big corporate guys in the WB network at that had joss told him if they where gonna get a renewal for a other season. Joss was being demanding and wanted to know right now & was being very pushy to one of the big corporate guys .that he felt like he had his back push to the wall because of Joss .that if he had not felt treated & rush . That Angel would have gotten a other 2 or even 3 more season. Make sense now. 😥😥
Uh......."Josh"? Yeah, you really sound like you know what you're talking about. LOL
@@davidroberts1702 lol...hey thanks for bringing it to my attention. I took care of "joss" 😁📽🎬 thank you
@@crimson1menace856 No prob, you're welcome; I was a kind of detective in my past, so I look for details : )
This is very sad to hear I loved Joss Whedon. While he obviously & unfortunately did this to himself, its tragic to see this man's career who was so beloved go down like this. What a shame.
Wow said Buffy cosigned
Time to call out all bad behaviour
Who’s josh sweden
How dare that guy treat these beautiful woman the way he did . It’s disgusting
Wow... i've always wondered why Sarah like NEVER shows up to group stuff with the other members and i wonder if its this Joss Whedon thing...
Yup certainly could be now we may know...😐
They can't afford her 😆. That's the reason she never returned to Angel.
@@Sam-xr8ne The reason Sarah never returned to Angel is because they wanted the series to stand on its own and not depend on Buffy appearances to attract viewers. Not to mention when Buffy switched networks, crossovers weren’t allowed for awhile. WB even wanted to ban Buffy’s name from being said on Angel.
@@rainbowrabbit Sarah has made like three Angel appearances so technically she has appeared on the show.
@@rainbowrabbitBuffy worked most through curiosity (to see what's going to happen) where as you had to be in the mood for Angel. So both shows work in their own right when you need them
Once again, the comments on this vid are proof of how much #MeToo is still necessary.
#simp
@@shadowman5567 and he’s right
@@ms.marvelous8156 Hes really not.
@@ms.marvelous8156 Hes really not.
The biggest defect of this movement was the fact that innocent people and celebrities were caught in the crossfire when the "imposter victims" comes out of nowhere with false claims once again still making it even more difficult for the real victims of assault to come forward.
Sarah michelle 🥴🥴🥴 we want more from you 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
YES Alain!!! Im sooooo sick of these vague stories like what did Whedon really do to make him such a bad person????
Sometimes people dont say anything because they want to keep their jobs. Just because their job is on tv doesn't make it different.
I will say this, charisma character was treated so poorly at the end of her run on angel tv show. I always thought that was odd, bc charisma character was so popular. Even the 100 eps of angel her character was only brought back bc Sarah could not do it bc of scheduling conflicts.
The way they treated Cordelia's history in Angel season 4 was awful. The character didn't deserve that ending.
Maybe she was fat a lot of women are. Maybe she got what she deserved 🤔
@@wesleythompson7 That's my guess
Hi
Poor humans.
I'm calling BS.
Wow so brave of you to attempt to discredit decades long testimony of several young women in your RUclips comment. Very very brave! Your sack is dripping with bravery Josh!
It’s kind of crazy because they always had such glowing stories that they told about their time with him (at least the stuff I’ve heard of). There was this whole layer of interactions that nobody knew about. I thought the crazy Whedon was a more recent thing.
That's why I didn't jump on the bandwagon right away of hating on Whedon and I'm still not on it.
Well done Charisma.❤
How comes she got hired for Angel afterwards? I'm not questioning her statements I'm just curious why Whedon hired her again?
She wasn't fired from BTVS, she was moved to Angel because they wanted another Buffy cast member on Angel to help make sure the Buffy audience would want to watch it. She did seasons 1-4 of Angel, but didn't appear in season 5 (except for "You're Welcome") because she and Whedon had parted ways, to put it nicely.
@@rickrische557 Ah right, thank you for clarifying that, that makes a lot more sense.
I really don't hate Joss Whedon, but I'm kinda disappointed in him.
What makes you think really think that people care that you don’t hate him this man used his power to abuse a woman
@William Clayeven if it is why does men think that we care or not if he hates him everyone who has a brain Would know that no one really cares what he did allegedly is bad and if it is true he should be put in jail for live
@@katlynG-K you responding to his post suggests you care, at the very least. and i cant even make sense of your second post
@@nostrum6410 no I don’t care I’m just saying this man thinks that other people care if he hates the men or not we don’t and I talk like this so you old people can understand because I could do the emoji talk and you wouldn’t even understand it. 🤦🏻♀️😆
I'm more disappointed with buffy you Would think she be braver but she waited 20 years
Why is Joss Whedon still involved in this business if multiple people are saying the same thing?
Is this a serious question?
You know about powerful men right?
When they killed cordelia off. They killed angel too. The show and the character. It was never the same after she left. Season 4 is the worst season cuz of how they did cordy. Wtf. This is why I always love the early seasons of angel s1-3 and the you're welcome episode. The others I could care less.
The way they treated Cordelia's history in season 4 was terrible. The character didn't deserved that ending.
@@christianorlando595 I know. It was so stupid of joss he did this to her. So pathetic. At least he could have given her a better storyline. This is why I love the first three seasons. Season 4 was the worst. I only liked s5 ep you're welcome. That is one of my fave episodes. Yeah I agree they did her wrong the actress and character.
exactly. i feel like season 5 is rated higher because they brought spike in and all the spike fans followed him from buffy. it’s by no means worse than season 4, don’t get me wrong, but i really loved angel when it had the tight knit family dynamic of the first 3 seasons a lot more. season 2 was my favourite. they also made the mistake of killing lilah and bringing in eve as low-budget lilah in season 5. but then again, they did kill off every major female character.
@andrion waser okay? i didn’t say she wasn’t, but 6 episodes of illyria still doesn’t make season 5 my favourite season. that’s my opinion, and your opinion is obviously different but won’t change mine.
its well known that they killed off every main female character, unless you can count harmony and eve as main i guess, and the only man that died any time other than the very last episode was doyle.
@andrion waser i also like lindsay, and the episode they brought him back was the first episode of season 5 i liked. but i don’t understand why you keep trying to convince me over to your viewpoint lol
The lack of specifity makes it hard to care
Wow even AFTER the show with those tv reunions you didnt speak up. Everyone's a hypocrite. Look in the mirror people.
Why would she randomly talk shit bro. Sometimes u dont know u were abused til later. I aint saying she tellin the truth, but dont dismiss
They all still had careers then. It’s only after they’ve been chewed up, tossed out, and forgotten about they finally come out. Which is why I doubt all of their stories until they can prove it.
Thank you very much for saying that I agree 100 percent.
There were many rumours of his bad treatment of Charisma Carpenter, but it is weird that’s she’s only confirmed it now.
@@CryWolf-sm9iw This story didn't just "come out". Charisma has made it known for the past 15 years and all Angel fans know this. While she has never gone in full detail, she has never kept it a secret you POS.
I was aware of this along time ago,but I thought they finally patched things up. this isn't her first time speaking about this yet these type of things get ignored all the time .I'm a fan of BTVS but wrong is wrong and people deserve their justice.
No words.
Well said James. 💯 true. Josh put the pressure on himself yet everyone be grateful cause you all became famous. 1 of 3 people have some kind of issue and Josh has his own. Compassion & forgiveness. Demon possession does happen.
Why didn't she go public after she was fired. I would be upset too if I had to rewrite an entire season of work because you forgot to make your lover use a condom. All the rest is vague hearsay and a director can't always be there to hold your hand. Imagine how much pressure a director/showrunner is under? All those jobs depend how well he runs the show and all that money dependent on wrapping every episode under budget and on time. Until I hear specifics on what he did I'm on the side of Whedon. I'd love to hear from the cast of Firefly and Dollhouse on what kind of person Whedon is.
Condoms aren't 100% effective, only 98%...ie women can, and do, get pregnant even when men use condoms.
Yeah after doing 20 years Reunion Special Episode ... Why do such episodes in the first when one goes through such a trama???
I love how the one-sided story is when couple other actors that was on Buffy the gentleman who played Giles spoke out saying that everything was fine that he sing while on Buffy.being one of the executive producers does not mean you have the final say so and just because your name is attached to a project does not also mean you have the final say so that sometimes belong to the studio people. If you're going to do an article do both sides give it equal footing don't make it seem like it's a one-sided argument. Joss took it on the jaw after coming in and having the heads of Warner Brothers brave down his throat to finish the project that wasn't even his. That's why James Gunn director of The suicide squad came out and thanked Warner Brothers for having limited interference in his project because they have known to overstep their bounds. There's always pros and cons in an argument and should be in an article unless you're pushing some type of narrative.
Tbf, Joss won't GIVE his side. When his ex-wife, Kai, accused him of cheating with actresses, his response was basically: "Meh". He literally said he was tempted by Hollywood and things happened. I don't remember him even apologizing. He's an "atheist absurdist" who subscribes to the philosophy of Sartre.
@@heathernks8 who cares everyone cheats just ask dave boreanaz
@@dongxx Who’s everyone? Speak for yourself.
@@alex_n215 who'd want to cheat with an uggo Beardo like him? 🤮
*Why does everything I love have to be ruined?!*
Both them shows was my crack! Especially Buffy! The direction of Charisma Carpenters character was weirder than Sarah Michelle Gellar's when they made her get into a relationship with Spike. Cordelia was in a relationship with Angel's son Conner. I knew something was going on behind the scenes. That was 2 terrible ideas and bad writing in my opinion. Willow had the best development.
Because of the cristal generation
it's on purpose.
Yeah I was still upset from Marilyn Manson last week :-'(
Ikr! Omg
Damn not buffy too
Much love to her 💜💜💜
Hopefully we can finally END the idiotic method of Buffy speak now that Joss is facing harassment charges.
SMG’s statement was so weak, light, and Hollywood, it’s like someone saying, hey you said you were raped, I kinda knew about it, go ahead ‘speak your truth’, but I’m totally not getting involved, good luck👍
I get where you’re coming from, but she really doesn’t owe anyone anything except her family and if she doesn’t wanna get involved in the drama, it’s hardly weak. You don’t know if they talk or text or any of that stuff. She’s very smart and very private and she likes it like that.
It was obvious she isn’t gettin involved.
At least she said something to help reveal the truth about that guy.
@@donuts8950 The girls of One Tree Hill were supportive of each other about Schwann... Buffy was complicit--obviously as her being the star of the show, and why throw in she is focusing on getting through the pandemic? like that is irrelevant to this. Buffy didn't have to say anything. She was complicit anyways
Depends how you read it. It's weak yes and vague enough to not be dragged in to it, but if you read it with the context of her follow up in support of people speaking up, it could be seen more as a "I'm proud of Buffy, but I don't want to have anything to do with Joss ever again"
I’m not saying Whedon isn’t an A-hole, I’m sure he is but he didn’t have her in chains on the set. She has feet, she could have walked. Is it fair? Maybe not but that’s life. It’s not fair. I’ve walked away from jobs with terrible bosses. It’s hard and can be financially, inconvenient to do. Inconvenient being an understatement. And I’m not mad at her for talking about it. She should, if it’s true. I would. But I would also have left. If it was as bad as she says. She wanted to be on tv. So she stayed. Her choice. He didn’t give her whatever condition she says she has, she gave it to herself by staying. That’s her bad. Take a little responsibility. You’re an adult, act like it.
There are actual, victims of actual tragedies in the world. I don’t need to hear another celebrity cry that someone was mean to them. Ok, fine, then have some self respect and walk.
"She has feet, she could have walked."
There's this thing called a contract, typically has a 7 year length in TV, can be hard to break and potentially could send a person broke and taken through the legal system for having broken contract. It's not like a normal job where you give 2 weeks notice.
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Breaking a television contract doesn’t put you in jail. Hollywood contracts get broken all the time. The consequence for it is not being in tv. She wasn’t going to Guantanamo. She was on Buffy for 4 seasons and on Angel for another 5. She spent almost a decade with Whedon, willingly and had to get those contracts renewed. Being a Hollywood actor isn’t indentured servitude. Nothing you said contradicts anything that I said. Charisma wanted to be on tv, so she stayed. Her choice.
@@beastmendelegate1946 She literally said she was the primary bread winner for her family, she would be out of a job and more than likely blacklisted at the height of her career and a successful series, not to mention her fans which is why she went to work pregnant against doctors orders. Literally the only reason she came back for her last episode to get killed off after being fired was for fans of her character.
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Sure, you’re free to disagree with my take. Life’s hard for everyone. She stayed in an abusive, professional, relationship to be on tv. People do lots of other things to make a living. She wanted to be on tv. And she made a lot more money than I’ve made in hard times.
But like I said, you’re free to feel differently about it than I do.
@@beastmendelegate1946 It's not your place to judge an abuse victim in the first place, your gross opinion is irrelevant.
Joss has a God Complex, like many people of power. My boss did not get the attention from me at work…that he wanted, and that all the other women gave him at work. I was very serious with him, firm, respectful, and professional. He didn’t find manners as a needed attribute. So he decided to give me a shoulder massage on a team meeting night in front of all my co-workers. I didn’t even see him coming from behind me as I sat in a chair speaking to my co-workers. Everybody froze, and they all knew that I was not going to return to work after that, and I never did. Men of “power” are the most insecure little children. This Joss guy? Looks like one and sounds like one. Who created a toxic environment just for the hell of it? Hmm, Satan maybe? Hitler? I am so sorry to every woman who has dealt with these types of “bosses”. They should be fined, and fired. She was a big part of Buffy for me, I loved the show back then, and I loved her character, and I feel horribly that she had to go through this type of treatment. Dis they ever make this Joss face any consequences I wonder? 💆🏻♀️🙏
Oh boo hoo. Josh yelled at me. Get over it . Bosses yell at employees all the time. If you don't want to be told how to do your job, become the boss, or go on welfare.
I've never had a boss yell at me, sounds like you had shit job experiences *shrug*
Douche.
@@rainbowrabbit are you agreeing with me, or are you calling me a douche?
Marvel's Avengers: Age of Ultron director Joss Whedon originally wanted Vision to have a penis during the character's birth scene.
When he said that was this movie supposed to be Rated R?
Hollywood, where it's fine to leave a note saying "don't leave the Director alone with our 15 year old actress" and that's the extent of the consequences he faces. Disgusting.
Or Courtney Love saying if Weinstein invites you to his hotel, don't go...and immediately gets dumped by her agency.
Now she's going to want Joss fired for it years later.
Not saying he was right in his actions but I bet she's going to milk the crap out of this.
@@Halfrek_FYI Uh this happened years ago.
So if she wanted something done about it she should have spoken up.
Not say something years and years later.
Thems the facts jack.
@@Halfrek_FYI Still no excuse. She could have fought it if she really wanted to.
@@Halfrek_FYI This is what you Feminists don't understand you take action and you fight to take action.
You don't wait years later and make a scene you do it then not later.
That's just milking the system at that point.
@@Halfrek_FYI Also Harvy rapped girls Joss didn't don't get the 2 confused.
@@Halfrek_FYI How the hell Am I hating?
Did I justify his actions? No . Clearly I struck a nerve. I hate current feminism because it's not what it originally stood for.
I also believe in innocent until proven guilty not just in the he said she said mentality.
🤣
Cancel culture at its best. People come out many many years later saying just enough to accuse someone but lack the conviction to say exactly what it is. If things were so bad back in the day maybe they should have said something then.
U realise it can be very hard to speak up when ur job is on the line right? Many survivors need safety to report. I am hoping workplace culture evolves so it becomes easier to get more immediate redress
Please: How the hell does SMG's "statement" support Charisma's claim? It doesn't even mention Charisma's name, let alone any specifics. Everyone knows that SMG and Whedon had a public row when Buffy folded, so any statement directed at him (as her's is) is just a continuation of that, especially if she doesn't mention Charisma.
David I wish more about that would come to light because it is strange how distant Whedon and Sarah have been considering how iconic Buffy is. You would think with how Gellar struggles to sustain projects (post Buffy) that she would still be working with Whedon in hope of maintaining job.
I don't think there are allegatons of Sexual Harrassment against Joss Whedon. He was Mean. There may be some Sexism or Reverse Sexism involved. Kate Mulgrew did a great job playing the never Heoric and Noble Captain Janeway of Star Trek:Voyager. But in real life, Kate Mulgrew was very much different than her character. When Jeri Ryan's - Seven of Nine Character was added in the Fourth Season of Star Trek: Voyager she became jealous that Jeri Ryan's character got all the attention and became the De-Facto Star of the Show. Kate Mulgrew was purposely Mean and Cruel to Jeri Ryan trying to make her quit the show. Jeri Ryan said this only stopped when she started dating one of the Showrunners.
If this had been a Male Lead doing this to a Female, it would not have been tolerated and the Male Lead would have most probably been fired and his career would have been destroyed. That is why I am skeptical of thse charges against Joss Whedon. I remember previously SJM saying what a great guy Joss Whedon was. They shouldn't do a REboot of Buffy without him. Why the change is what I would like to know?
What doesn't make sense, is that this wasn't new. We have known for about a decade that Joss Whedon treated Charisma Carpenter like shit after she showed up on set going into season 4 of Angel, four months pregnant. She has talked about it numerous times at Comic Cons over the years and supposedly they had mended the bridge. So why is it now making headlines??? My guess is that it's because the Zack Snyder Justice League trailer was just released yesterday. Always follow the money
Power corrupts.
Joss is such a bully.
Just like trans activists
The whole hostile work environment crap has always baffled me. If the situation is that bad, why would you continue to work there? Why would you want to contribute to the success of a boss like that anyway?
Multiple stories about Joss Whedon being hard to work with have been around for years. How is this a surprise? He's had plenty of arguments with plenty of *male* actors too. It apparently wasn't so toxic that she also signed up to do Angel. It apparently wasn't so hostile that she quit. She was wrote out of the show because all the pregnancy and religious conflicts that occurred between them. This sounds like a person that doesn't understand the difference between abuse and arguments. If it was a hostile and toxic work environment *only* for you, wasn't it really just hostility because of disagreements you had with eachother? This one sounds pretty petty to me. I've also heard about actors and actresses being hard to deal with as well making ridicules requests of directors. Many directors have to be aggressive and even mean just to assert authority over an entire cast of people with large egos.
You have *endless hours* of recordings of Tom Cruise berating and tearing into *entire sets* of cast and crew. He has threatened to and directly fired people for not following special rules like not making eye contact with him. Yet nobody blinks twice. Why the double standard? Why is he just "hard to work with" yet 2 previous workers complain of the same thing and everyone labels Whedon as a Weinstein? I just can't jump on a sympathy bandwagon when it comes to stories that involve hostile work environments that the person willing subjected themselves to for years on end. Especially when the 2 people in question are a boss that eventually fired that worker that signed up for a second job with them.
If you get beat by your bf/spouse once, you are a victim and they have been exposed as inhuman filth. If you stick around for more beatings, you are enabling them to treat you like garbage. Then it's your fault you are *still* in that situation.
@ David Murphy, EXACTLY!!!! Finally, somebody with common sense on here!!! I'm not saying everybody are liars, but there sure are people, especally women that are more than willing to over exaggerate their version of events to a dangerous fictitious level. Maybe her coworker convinced her that she experienced "abuse", and being that most of Hollyweird are SJW's, no one would blink an eye. She couldn't confront this this guy like a real woman, and stand your ground, and not take his shit, or just simply quit, you have no room to complain. No one has a fucken backbone in Hollyweird!
Ok you have no understanding of how people cope with abusive situations. First of all, these actors were probably under contract and couldn’t leave the second an abusive situation started and they probably were worried they wouldn’t work again if they just left. They are trying to maintain their careers and unfortunately certain industries aren’t forgiving if you don’t get a long with certain people. Second, fuck you for saying it’s abuse victims fault for staying in abusive situations. Abusive situations can mentally breakdown a person and where it takes a lot of strength and support to leave an abusive spouse or an abuser can hold some over their head in order to make them comply with the abusers. It’s not as cut and dry as you stupidly think it is and I hope you didn’t have a spouse if this is your attitude towards abusive situations.
"If the situation is that bad, why would you continue to work there?"
Because they've signed a 7 year contract, breaking that contract could see them taken through the court system and bankrupt them should the studio/network (ie the who the contract is with) decide to sue them for breach of contract and damages.
"It apparently wasn't so toxic that she also signed up to do Angel."
Likely the same contract as the Buffy one extended into Angel, tv contracts usually have a clause related to the studio/network (it's more flexible that way in cases of spin off's and prevents pay negotiations). Note even the Angel show ended after David had done 7 years (2 on buffy, 5 on angel).
You really don’t understand the power structure system do you? I’d love to live in your simple little world.
THANK YOU DAVID!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Wow! Joss Whedon messed with the actors working for him and ruined Justice League!
she's 50?????! WTF!?
the work was so toxic that they stayed for years in Buffy and then later in Angel, what a torture it must have been not resigning from the shows
People have bills to pay.
@@rainbowrabbit XD
Actors earn a lot of money.
They wouldn't suddenly starve.
(They're NOT on minimum wage)
They just chose money and fame.
It didn't work and then they complain.
Charisma's chronic physical condition is that dhe has no real talent and will never be the star she thinks dhr is.
What behavior was inappropriate? "Abusive and unprofessional" could mean anything. If I had a nickel for every employee who accused a boss of being "abusive and unprofessional" I could retire on that many after one day. Bosses are shitty. This is not a news flash. This is only news to cupcakes.
The actors who played Faith, Glory, Tara and Angel have come out in support, too. James Marsters (Spike) has said some pretty incriminating things about Joss in the past, too. A writer on Firefly spoke up and called Joss "casually cruel". Then, there is the letter his ex wife wrote about him a few years ago. I mean, as hard as it is to believe, the writing is on the wall.
and then Hollywood fools make a corny video and try to teach us how to be respectful or something along those lines...?
Funny how burnt out actors now "speak out" about a super famous director that made the MCU of how horrible he was decades ago. Why now you ask? Yes bcus they are irrelevant and want some of the light thats shining on whedon for themselves. And if he was so horrible, why keep working with him for season and years on end. Fuck them, Joss Whedon doesnt deserve this said about him.
Why does Marvel works with that monster ?
You mean a male feminist did something shady? Color me shocked
We need to start talking about whether we should be watching his films again and if they should be banned.
So this whole Scandal is about that the dude wasn't nice? Jesus Christ get over yourselves. Nothing says strong empowered woman like crying over somebody being mean to you.
I agree with this, but you’re going to expect him to be nice..
She's mad over Mike Tyson's new gummies. Manufactured outrage. After reading that, I don't believe a word this woman says. Whatever happened, it's embellished a lot and probably never happened.
So ray was right, well would you look at that. I guess ray wasn't being a "difficult person to work with after all.
Thats good noboy should be in an inviorment with a terrible person and why was Joss Weaton involed with Justica Leauge i thought he just did Marvle people need to be profesionals and make sure thier actors and actress are safe
All the stars of this show are now coming out supporting Charisma stating what a ‘toxic’ environment it was. But it didn’t occur to any of them whilst this was happening to speak out and support her, and call Joss Whedon out? Clearly putting their own careers first,before standing up to the alleged abuse.
I find it sick that he bullied her because she wanted to have children and be a mom. Hollywood seems to hate when actresses want to have babies.
Funny how they didn't all say this at the time. Joss Whedon made the show what it was. That is evident by how much it sucked after he stopped being involved with it so much.
What did he do? What did he literally do? Cause it sounds to me like he just a few bad days and got stressed out on occasion. It happens.
Could yall have cancelled him a lil earlier like b4 he help make the MCU poppin.
And his ex wife spoke out against him too.
Joss also has a beef with his first stunt coordinator Jeff Pruitt and his wife, stunt woman Sophia Crawford. I believe they had an argument on social media about his behavior and them leaving the show when they did. I hope he really changes his behavior so no one needs to suffer at his hands.
The people who produce our shows, bake our bread and fix our sinks are often assholes. Major difference is that few people say "well I have to say that I love the plumber guy, I have a poster of him in my bedroom", for cognitive bias reasons. Most people would just shrug it off as, "well he beats his wife but he's the only good plumber around here". I don't know why people still care about famous people (because let's be honest, most local actors and directors and bands are good enough anyway), it's just scarcity effect and we all should look beyond these biases already.
Well said.
WOW HOUDEK BIAS MUCH?
Always wondered why he like making series with teenage lead roles, i loved watching Angel, buffy was ridiculous.
Cordelia was still a teenager for the first 30+ episodes of Angel.
I think Angel was the ridiculous show since Angel got to live rent free in an apartment with upstairs office floor then he owned a huge hotel again without paying. Cordelia at 18 years old lucked into paying only a few hundred for a huge LA apartment that would normally cost thousands.