Could Chinese & Russian military kick the US forces out of Japan & Pacific?
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This video analyses a hypothetical conflict between a Russian and Chinese Alliance and US and Japanese Alliance. Could the red side's military kick out the US presence from the western Pacific?
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As a Korean and an army vet, there is no way Korea's gonna stay out of this one
Facts.
Korean War V2
@@appa609 I guess an interesting question would be what the DPRK might do if China goes to war against the U.S. They may view it as the chance of a lifetime to reunify the peninsula, and launch an attack on the South knowing China will help once they encounter difficulties.
@@soyusmaximus7176 most of the north would surrender, just to get fed. Read how good SK soldiers were in Vietnam.
Kim Jong un: hold my nukes please..
Its crazy how closely knit Japan and America despite the fact that they were swarn enemies just 70 years ago
It really is. It's amazing what helping rebuild a defeated country can do to relations instead of pillaging every country under your control like Russia did
@@titan1639 SJWs will hate you for saying that.
But joked aside, yeah, your right.
I am from Balkans and ay surly nou wat wars mins in her pure sans i am praud Serbian old land who bigans on 10 sentury bc. And older and how i get toted its in wars sens den.
@@stefanmilosevic2162 I get you’re Serbian and not an English major in university but oh my god I don’t think anyone can read this
no they're just biding their time for when they can get revenge
This is why Japan is rapidly expanding the "Self-defense force".
For self defence of course
@@Gamer_field for attacking china
@@arthureast3912 Well, they deserve it.
@@arthureast3912 the self-defensive offensive
@@arthureast3912 It’s legit in there constitution that they can’t declare war. The only way Japan would fight is if China attacked them first
No chance, the Japanese have MechaGodzilla to dominate the next war in the region.
They have Saitama
@@tobolits383 A hero for fun 😅
@@user-us4hl3zr2b Mecha Godzilla ruled back when I was a kid in the early 1980s watching english dubbed Godzilla movies I’m still a fan all these years later and I say Mecha Godzilla can take anything down that isn’t of course Godzilla himself.
@@keithwhisman true
I cant believe you left out Japan’s greatest weapon - Godzilla!
And uncle sam.
Hahahahaha... and Mazinger Z
What about their Gundmans?
Japan, South Korea, İndonesia VS China (no buy weapon)
@Sean Yee lndonesia is 16th strongest country in the world
I never understand why people get so mad in the comments of these videos. They are totally hypothetical and he clarifies they are an oversimplification all the time.
@felix mendez state your sources of these facts because i highly doubt what your saying is true.
felix mendez first of all just write america you aren‘t 12 to write the whole time and secound of all pointing out the debt doesn‘t change much because the moment you go to war national debt will be set to 0 and the armed forces get unlimited funding. If you want to point out the weakness of the united states just point out the technological gap between russia or china against the US in hypersonic missile technology and the specilalisation of the US army in asymetrric warfare. And don‘t be so aggressive it‘s just a youtube video
@felix mendez You still don't understand war economies. Just look up how debt is handled when there is a major war
pahalavan100 don’t pay attention to this moron lol. He’s just a salty anti-American shill
@@SergeantKillGore He sounds like an Antifa Soyboy.
They forgot about Japans secret weapon!! GODZILLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and Gundams
Isn't godzilla the one attacking japan?
You mean Gojira, for maximum weeb points.
Don't forget their giant Mecha Suits.
Honestly im here just to see the rage of USA haters
Get popcorn and alcohol, take a shot for every conspiracy comment
Ah, I found the American seating. Time to sit back and slap some ass.
USA IS BAD COUNTRY WHILE CHINA AND RUSSIA GOOD.
Now give me good boy points or I black mail you.
@@echidnanatsuki882 Fact
cApItaLisM iS tHe wORsT sYsTem, cHiNa wIn eAsy
Remember kids, no nukes, no prep, no attrition and no allies. It's just another fun Binkov scenario ;)
That made sense when it was 1v1. But this is not. Why is Korea neutral but Japan isn't arbitrarily. A more realistic war with realistic allies will make a better video.
Now you tell me!!!!
@@anthonydefilippo8526 because the reality is the us military is a behemoth and its naval and air power cannot be challenged 1 on 1 by a single country
Ang kailangan ay magisip ng malaliman kung paan0 mapadali. Matal0 ang Russia. Malagay sila ng missiles sa ilalim ng lupa sa ilalim ng dagat defection Pin copied text snippets to stop them expiring after 1 hour
At sa nasa at bibigyan nila ng warning ang mga it0.. Kapag nagmatigas yung at0mic na ginawa nila n00ng w0rldww2 apat na. D0bli para. Mapasuk0 ang Russia at china. Buburahin nila ang kalahati. Nit0 para humina ang pwersa ng. Mga it0.. It0 nakaplan0. Ng us.
I’m just here for all the incredibly unbiased and intelligent comments.
Sarah u what makes back bone my choice kings
Love all extra yelling
Reminds me my uncle
I loved that Marine who is your icon.
I was on Marine bases helping them out for years in Africa and Iraq. Love the Marines. The army would hunker down when the shells came in. The marines went hunting. Needless to say. They started leaving the Marines alone as much as the could. They feared them.
Considering the fact that the US and Japan have both waged the biggest naval war in the history of mankind and now they are both allies, no China and Russia dont have any chance.
Now imagine how Japan is gonna surrender once the OCS is declared military alliance
Japan is not an empire any more it's as weak as little Britain when it lost it empire
@@princecharming4708 Its the third largest economy in the world
@@princecharming4708 Japan has a military you fool. And Japan is one of them most advanced by far they are ahead of most. You can compare Japanese inocations with European and American.
Thing is the Japanese military can only be defensive hence why they USA is stationed there. It's more a reminder for Japan to honor the agreement they will always be defensive.
@@tylerrobbins8311 actually japan is in decline and has been since the 90s with a debt twice its gdp and a population that is shrinking to 80 million by 2050 its hardly got a bright future and will most likely get gobbled up by china in the next few years and be turned communist like the USA when it collapses and china becomes number 1
Nah, Japan has Godzilla, they're good.
And Mothdra.
And one punch man
Godzilla, Mothra, National Kid, Naruto and the Power Rangers.
Nobody in the whole planet Earth would beat Japan. They have Sushi missiles and Sashimi drones.
Putin : My name is Putin
Xi Jinping : And my Name is Xi Jinping
Both : Welcome to Jackass
There is one element videos like this cannot touch on. That is the element of training. When the Soviet Union collapsed 30 years ago, Russia did not have the ability to field its military let alone train it. I’m sure some units have been trained in the last 30 years, I would guess the majority of the Russian military is under strength and untrained.
The Chinese like to talk a big game, but they have no real field experience in nearly 50 years. The Sino-Soviet battles of the early 70s and their own Vietnam conflict in the mid 70s is the last time China was openly engaged in a fight. And there is no naval element to any fight China has engaged in, in over 250 years. You can’t expect an untried navy to fight the most outstanding navy the world has seen since the 1940s.
For the Chinese or the Russians to even be an offensive threat, they would be required to TRANSPORT their land forces to a fight anywhere. They couldn’t air drop their forces without total air supremacy, that means transport via the ocean. That means a lot of drowned sailors and soldiers before the first even begins in Japan.
agreed
So thorough. I enjoyed reading that.
Yep I don't want to be that guy but the amount of time the United States has had in active combat is crazy. The armed forces were designed to fight unconventional warfare the whole time they were on the offensive. In this case it would be a counter attack/ defence it would be a blood bath they would know exactly what to do to slow down the reds if not stop them completely. They have been fighting it this whole time imagine the what would happen if they were on the other side. The United States is a hardened veteran when I comes to experience in combat. It may be a different war but the senior leaders know what to expect when bullets start flying and shit goes crazy. Russian has a little bit of experience but China has none. It would be a blood bath for the sheer experience alone as well as American knowledge would be past off to the Japanese armed forces and thats it.
@@Jakezillagfw America would totally surprise them in what it would actually do. No one even would guess the strategy until it happens. The lethality and ferocity of it will shock everyone. 1/3 of the world dead in a all out war with The United States against (who?)
Three words: *Shock And Awe*
America isn't by itself, its with a shit load of other countries, so she will be just fine. ♥ From 🇬🇧
I would like to remind you this is just a made up scenario and the rules state no allies would be allowed to join in this said scenario
Right On
@@mixtape9123 😂 made up rules or not,, we Brits love a scrap..
Your uniform sort looks like a Russian staff officer's uniform. So...Putin calls Biden. Putin says "Joe, I just had a dream where I am watching a big military parade on the streets of Washington, DC. People were watching from the streets sidewalks. The people all carried sign that said 'WELCOME, RUSSIAN LIBERATORS!'. Biden told Putin "Vlad, that is amazing! I just had a dream about the same kind parade in Moscow." Putin asked, "What did their signs say?" Joe responds, "I don't know. I can't read Chinese."
If anyone attacks Japan, I'l flying there to be part of the defense force. Gotta protect my anime and manga.
J C sure sure
Yeah right. Anime and manga. Sure. More like protecting hentai. Lol.
@@karlobatiao4398 and there will be no bigger glory than dying while protecting hentai tbh
and
Nintendo Sony jo1(jpop )
Ah, a fellow man of culture, I see.
But what about Japan's secret weapon ...Godzilla .
Based on Russia’s performance in Ukraine and China’s lack of combat experience the odds seem pretty solid in the US’s favor.
So the main difference is that Red side is mostly a defensive force not really designed to invade, whereas blue is designed for invading.
The U.S. invaded N.Korea , Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan and what were the final results ??.....what is the exit strategy ? ....was the cost of blood and treasure worth it ?....it's cheaper to live in peace , something America doesn't ever learn.
People here in the comments don't seem to realize this is a *Pacific* scenario. This has nothing to do with European Russia, Afghanistan, NATO, or anything outside of the Pacific.
So basically... The usual moment when people forget that the scenario has rules it sticks to.
@@massineben7198 Pretty much...
Some people think the army can magically transport to half a world away in seconds.
Doesn't matter. Red still lose.
TheLastCasualty ...Yeah but as soon as 🇺🇸 gets attacked or goes to war, article 5 of NATO gets applied and that states.....(not word for word but here’s the synopsis)...if any NATO nation is attacked or goes to war, the organization as a whole responds with a coalition. That’s why it’s never just 🇺🇸 vs whomever and that’s the advantage of having NATO.
You completely forget that the US invented island hopping and has proven doctrine and training whilst the Chinese army and navy have nearly zero combat experience especially in complex combined arms tasks such as amphibious and airborne assault. Additionally, they have no experience in the exploitation of any presumed successes they would have, untested command and control and logistics; it’s one thing to take non contiguous territory and another to hold it, and again, they have zero experience with such tasks. And probably most important is the quality of the individual soldiers and sailors and their units . Small unit engagement is the foundation of any conflict and the Chinese are untested; 30,000 assault troops sounds impressive but if their performance in actual combat is a clusterfuck then the actual numbers won’t matter
But the US paid a heavy price for all this. Thousands of young Americans in graveyards around the world.
You got a point bro.
The Chinese are very efficient...I wouldn't underestimate them
@@anthonyw9129 I mean the fact is that the Chinese military does not have combat experience while the U.S does, so that would likely be a factor in some way
Rule number one of war never understood estimate your opponent.
When it comes to the U.S. Navy, never underestimate the quantity nor the quality of our Subs and their crews!
not wrong about that.
@Maurice Clemons No. There are Seamen from several other countries aboard.
@@leesenger3094 yiaks
Forward to 2021. SOmeone needs to remind Binkov, if US cant even defeat a few Taliban soldiers with outdated AK 47 running on sandals, what makes you think the US can defeat China and Russia COMBINED? lol. Sorry, but this is a the minimum, laughable.
@@leesenger3094 yikes
Almost adorable to see chinese fanboys in the comments saying that they could beat americas navy. We could sink the entire chinese fleet in just 1 day
好莱坞看多了吧，你们可以派出钢铁侠横扫中国。还一天。这么厉害，怎么还和中国谈判？自己不觉得可笑吗？
That nation attacked Vietnam after war with US and lost xD
@@deniscare112 he is talking about naval warfare not ground
@@junjin3033 china is not that guy
Is that true, or you just fking around?
Short answer: No
Long answer: This video
If this war happened, u guys can only find China and Russia in ur history book. Sry? Did u ask me how about the US? It's polishing shoes for the new world leader(Europe).
@@variousbeans5043 lmao funny you said Europe
This video is just a "simulation" using a Risk table game. Not actual real-life accuracy stuff at all.
It's been over 100 years and I feel like another Russo-Japanese war simulation would be cool
it would be a very one sided conflict in favor of japan
@@DarkKnight52365 so was the first one
Nice video very enjoyable to watch how you broke it down
As a retired navy veteran that served during the Cold War, I’d love to say hell no, they couldn’t drive us out! Unfortunately with the crowd in charge at the moment, I don’t think they’ve got a pair of balls between all of them, so I’m not confident at all. Don’t get me wrong. The men and women serving are more than capable of doing the job, but somebodies got to give the orders!
Hey there mankov!
Russians askander misiles are 1,500 miles!
Plus there 10s of new hyper sonic maneuverable misiles that Flies and directed in unpredictable directions. And controllable of their direction flying over 10 Hmong speed which impossible to overtake sore in the first six months the Americans will lose all their Airplane carrier ships and that’s the first thing Russia will do. And it might take a month or two. Six months like I said in the beginning. It’s if the USA will keep them on land parked somewhere hidden. Times has changed. Ship carriers Is not a weapon against Russia no more. Even without nukes. Hard work,and team work pays of. Unless they kill Putin the world will become a much more peaceful place. Because Russia always wanted peace and fairness. Who said the Americans will be dictating the world what to do. Will watch and see.
There only one real leader now in the world. And it Putin. No more Churchill or leaders like him
@@shonbatista9118 how much of that tech is real and how much is vapor ware? Also of the tech that is real, how much of it can Russia afford to make? If Putin is the hope of the world, I’m rooting for the comet!
Okay, we're getting closer to a full modern WW3 video. Come on, Binkov, please!
I'm sure his last video will be a WW3 one.
The winners in this war: Nobody. The losers: the Ryukyu islanders.
My (Okinawan) great-grandparents lost many of their brothers & sisters in the war, I would never want that to happen again.
Everyone is like "OMG there is no way such-and-such country would stay out of it"
How about just stop and comment on what is said in the rules of this scenario.
Example, I firmly believe that 15,000 US Marines can hold off 40,000 Chinese troops. There may be more, but they are severely outclassed by training, equipment, and will. 15,000 US Marines could hold off 65,000+ Chinese troops, imo.
Also, he is forgetting that the US has Destroyer-based missiles that can hit Satellites. The Chinese satellites that help the tracking for those long range missiles would be all but gone within the first month. The US taking 6 months to mobilize significant forces? Nah, the US has been prepared to fight a 2 front war since WW2. The ENTIRE Russian fleet would be destroyed within 3 months. The Chinese Fleet would take longer, but that's just based on more numerous numbers and strategic importance. Probably 4-5 months.
By the One Year mark, the US will absolutely have air dominance and complete control of the all the Islands. The Chinese bases in the South China Sea? Gone or captured. Guaranteed.
China and Russia's nukes vs. America's nukes ......who would win ????
@Massimo Hack What happens if the conflict escalates and one side decides a first nuclear strike is their best option ???
Both China and Russia each can take out all US satellites at the beginning of the war as well. Can US fight without sateligtes?
@@zlong598 -- Russia, MAYBE, has that capability. Not China.
And yes, it can. The US has numerous redundancy features.
I'm really baffled as to the decision to completely ignore both Koreas and Taiwan.
As a Korean, we will be very engaged . Ppl forget that there are huge American bases in S. Korea.
I ran out of salt . So I came to the comments and found plenty .
As far as the United States goes , don't hate the player , hate the game.
I think he underestimates the US, Binkov often depicts wars as being trades in numbers. When in reality, modern battles are so sophisticated that past a certain point, battles turn into snowballs. The US military is expressly designed to seize the initiative as quickly as possible.
@@MadM0nte yes. His videos are more Quantitative over Qualitative.
@@MadM0nte the tech at this point isn't even fair and they haven't seen even 10% of what's going on.
@@grubbybum3614 agreed. It gives you a very raw, broad picture, without accounting for that X that often makes or breaks victory on the modern battlefield.
"[USAF General] Hyten said U.S. space weapons programs are designed not to create dangerous debris. Instead, the military is working on counter-communications capabilities that can cut links between ground control and space systems.
Asked if maneuvering satellites and jamming are the only space arms being worked on, Hyten said: "That's not it, but that's all I can tell you."
freebeacon.com/national-security/general-china-space-threat-drives-u-s-space-warfare-buildup/
Any reconnaissance assets coming near US aircraft carriers will be seen by E-2s and other assets and will be electronically or physically attacked. Satellites will be attacked by Electronic Warfare and air breathing recon assets by F-18s guided by E-2s. Neither China nor Russia will be able to maintain a continuous track on fast moving carriers required by their hypersonic or antiship ballistic missiles.
I doubt Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Australia and a few other countries would sit by and not help out. There are also significant US Air Force and Army assets in the area as well. Not to mention within 12 hours, B1 and B2's would be showing up to knock out a large part of the opposing surface fleet. Lastly this also implies that the US and allies would be caught completely by suprise. As the build up of forces would provoke an equal build up of forces.
.i can't wait to read all of the comments from...."experts" with no training and no experience and majority, lacking even any military service at all, explain how which militaries are better than the other and explain why and explain exactly how each aircraft performs(because they use flight Sim video games which makes them real pilots) also, Call of Duty video game players explaining how to fight fight ground war and how to use logistics during during a war. Lol Always a ton of these types of people in the comment sections of videos like this.
@@nexpro6118 t. China shill
Great work keep it up!!
THESE are the videos I want. Not silly matchups between WW2 and Modern equipment.
I still dont understand why he does that and puts that much effort in silly videos
辛辣球Bitter Balls
Yea me neither.
Spain vs Morocco on spanish north Africa possessions and Canary Islands.
Peter Rose Reconquista time!
I second this Morocco and Spain have a long history . Those guys even took all of the Iberian Peninsula once !
Australia, the UK, Japan and possibly India would make that a bad prospect even for the combined Russo-Chinese forces
Japan knowing they will be the first to get pounded by ballistic missiles- "Ahh shit, here we go again'
Ok, and I’m sure a lot of people won’t see this but. The purpose of the restrictions such as neutrality from other countries and prep time is to try and lower the amount of variables Involved. This video is about a conflict between 4 very powerful countries so The need to limit the scope is important to keep shit from getting very convoluted. It’s a “what-if” scenario based on military statistics and capability, not an end all argument especially because even the examples given aren’t concrete. Plus this is all based on statistics that are open to the public, who knows what secrets the militaries of each government hide too
Yes I don't think many people consider how complicated things like this could be. (Hypothetical scenario:) We just spent ten minutes talking about two countries military capabilities, or about 5 minutes for one. Nearly every single criticism you have would involve about three more countries, opening more possibilities and more countries and we'd spend more time talking about these countries than the actual subject. I also see things like logistics and economy being thrown around. Do you want this video to be 34 hours long? If you want to hear about every aspect about a hypothetical war then go read Red Storm Rising or something but I am grateful for what they've done so far already is some of the most detailed and considerate work I've seen.
But seriously go read Red Storm Rising.
Forward to 2021. SOmeone needs to remind Binkov, if US cant even defeat a few Taliban soldiers with outdated AK 47 running on sandals, what makes you think the US can defeat China and Russia COMBINED? lol. Sorry, but this is a the minimum, laughable.
@@fredh8065 I disagree with this. China and Russia are countries that fight in conventional warfare. The US dominates conventional warfare. But the Taliban is an uncoventionalist fighter. The US is not very good at that. Just look at Vietnam.
@@fredh8065 Guerrilla warfare and conventional warfare are two different situations.
I agree with the video. it'd be a blue victory but a higher cost than we'd like. Russian and Chinese would have their entire air force and navy decimated which could be something that they'd never be able to recover from. Interesting to think that this is solely focused on the pacific. Russia would be force to deal with a 2 front war. We still have air force bases in Poland, Germany, Italy and turkey. Plus Army bases too. Russia wouldn't be able to send all of her planes to the pacific theater. And of course other countries like Korea would get involved too. Interesting thought experiment though!
If this war were to happen other allies would join the US such as Britain, France and Australia.
Said Ali China and Russia are literally doing the exact same thing at this moment America is the only thing keeping them from taking whatever they want
Can't squash Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq armies though...
And these countries are not even a superpower, nor technological, numerically and industrially capable nor superior.
Either way, this is a hypothetical scenario.
Omae wa Ima shindeiru yo actually most of those countries were squashed. The Iraq military was one of the worlds largest and it was swept aside in weeks. Defeating a countries armed forces and fighting an insurgency are not the same
True, one note though, I woudnt realy count the bases in Turkey as they tend to refuse their use whenever the hell they like.
Well, it's 2022 March as a make this comment. After the epically terrible performance of the Russian military in Ukraine, and finding out how corruption led to a lower state of readiness in their military (which is also found in China), I would have to say no. They could never kick the US out of the Pacific.
terrible performance? my dear friend. Russia could wipe out from the world map Ukraine if Putin wants, but that's not the target.
Dude they not trying to destroy Ukraine they trying to take it over not level it.
@@keysersoze1537 don’t be silly, their strategy of taking over wasn’t working so they’ve moved to leveling cities like Mariupol.
@@keysersoze1537 still. Terrible job even at that. russia is nothing compared to a even passive europe. In a couple of years Europe alone would dwarfe russias military and other capabilities. Together with the US, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea russia and china would face nothing but destruction.
I'm a Chinese American US citizen, I definitely agree that China is corrupt, but PLN is growing very quickly, and have a much smaller area to worry about, so they might be able to remove America temporarily.
Fascinating Analysis!!!
Do coronavirus vs world next
We already know who won that lol
The problem I have with this video is like most of the US vs. Videos.
I think one of the key flaws (if you can call it a flaw) is the tendency to assume that these militaries will experience like for like losses, somewhat akin to WW2. When as we often see in the US's various war games, and reality is that modern wars (in Iraq and Falklands for example) do not play out this way. On a battle to battle basis, a single side often claims the initiative early on and snowballs from there. One of the US's greatest advantages, particularly against the RF and PRC that is rarely talked about is their highly networked and sophisticated command and control. This allows them to think and react faster to a changing battlefield environment faster than any armed forces on Earth. Being able to peel back the fog of war and make critical decisions with some level of accuracy is what wins modern wars, more than anything else.
That is a pretty good advantage but what if the us got hit by a emp missile ?
@@generalboyit7867 EMP's of any relevant size, as you know, can only be delivered through the high-altitude detonation of thermonuclear weapons. Likely multiple. Such launches would be just as disruptive to friendly forces as they would to enemy, rendering this option only suitable for defensive use as part of a retreat. More importantly such a launch would be indistinguishable from the offensive launch of ICBMs in a nuclear attack, and due to the short decision loop in nuclear warfare almost certainly trigger a nuclear response. Imagine being the President of the US and hearing that after RU/CN ICBMs were launched all contact with US forces on the Island of Japan was lost. You have 30 minutes to make a decision. What would you do?
@yehoutube That's not a compelling argument, those wars were fought decades ago under very different win/loss conditions and for very different objectives. We're talking here about a primarily naval and air war centered around the ability to competently launch air strikes into non-permissible air space. This is something the US Military is highly specialized to achieve being primarily offensive focused. Vietnam and the Korean War were hampered from achieving their objectives due to the political reality of the time. For example, the US President Harry S. Truman (being generally incompetent) believed that an invasion of China to destroy the forces amassing at the border would lead to open hostilities between the US and USSR. Truman would refrain from risking Europe at all costs, thus his tepid policy in Asia. As for Vietnam the overwhelming reality acknowledged by all sides was that the US could take Hanoi at any moment. Despite the extensive Russian SAM defenses, during the Nixon administration large scale bombing raids into North Vietnam were not prevented. Nor were they preventable frankly. The mismanagement of the war (which shouldn't have even started by the way) is expressly acknowledged as the fault of the Johnson administration and its inability to determine win conditions for the war beyond propping up the SV puppet government. This meant that for the majority of these conflicts the US forces were deprived of the initiative by their own government. In the conventional conflict Binkov presents the neither of the problematic political conditions from Vietnam and North Korea exist, as nuclear weapons are not modeled. Thus, the superior C&C of the US gives American forces a shorter decision making loop and as a consequence, the initiative.
A big flaw in the Chinese island hopping plan is that you're not counting on how effective the air assets on Okinawa will be in the case of an attack. Also the carrier support. F-35 and AV8B aircraft from amphibious assault ships already in the area will also be brought to that fight. There will already be a Marine Corps MAGTF, (Marine Corps Air Ground Task Force), in the area on a six month float on assault ships. This will include infantry elements, artillery, armor, Cobras, fighter, and attack aircraft to support Okinawa. A land attack on the island would have 15k Marines that know the island defending it until that MAGTF. News flash. Roughly 6000 Marines defended Khe Sanh against roughly 36k North Vietnamese, and held it with basic resources, and minimal resupply. That's not including the JDF personnel stationed on the island. Okinawa would hold as long as they needed to.
And of course China will not do anything? All invading forces will be destroyed. First to be destroyed by hypersonic missiles will be the US bases in Okinawa, Guam and Japan.
@@itch4travel missiles with conventional warheads really don’t do much to a large island.
And the entire Chinese invasion fleet will likely be sunk by US nuclear submarines. You simply can’t do a naval invasion when you have no sea control.
Glad you spelled out the details. That one point over Okinawa felt wrong, but thanks for the more precise details.
So you mean to say the US won't eliminate the enemy air bases preemptively? Thereby rendering any attack on the islands a suicidal mission.
With a scenario of more than a year, economics will become a factor. China's supply of ocean borne raw material and energy is extremely vulnerable, unlike those of the US.
That would mean angering other countries by depriving them of trade with China.
@@ddaazahh8064
Very true, but that is to be expected during war.
And then there is the often ignored, at least by the typical person discussing hypothetical wars, reasons for the hypothetical war.
The simple fact is that a shooting war between teh US and China woul dresult in a global recession, if not an out right depression.
The US would cripple China's economy. Making it more difficult to build more military assets, what ever that might be. China would be in debt like America is lol
@@elleneim7638
In other posts, I have said exactly that. Crippling the economy is less costly than a direct confrontation in Chinses home waters where they have the advantage of landbasd air, missiles, and sensors.
As they say, amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics. Logistically, China is in a hopeless situation. They would be out of oil in a few months, out of food in the same. More locally, their troops on the Ryuku islands would have to bring everything they need when they first land, because they would not get anything more.
There are 30,000 US troops in Okinawa. The PLA Navy is capable of landing just 12,000 troops. It would be a slaughter if they invade Okinawa.
Nah.. we like it if happens to us
Also, those 19 Japanese submarines are some of the most advanced conventional subs in the world. They are not mediocre 17:41
@@user-db9lz2yl7i all china had to march on your soil with its huge population and pee on your land... u guys will be flooded.
Imagine this, Japan might have something to say about it. South Korea too.
Short answer: No
Long answer: noooooo
Island Hopping 2: Electric Boogaloo
Who else still wants a full worldwide modern WW3 video?
Everyone
Britain would win lol
@@Billyzgstar Maybe in it's region . Ireland , France, Scotland rebellion would be tough but Britain has better will power and joint naval and air power domains. Geography . England safe! That's my assumption I'm probably totally off but it's hypothetical. Hopefully ww3 doesn't happen or if it does just limited nuclear exchange . Everything and everyone believes we should live?? Right??
After all the fights with Godzilla, fighting China and Russia would be relatively easy for Japan 😁🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
Too bad it ain't real
Lol
I don't think Russia and china would be able to do much. Putting troops on Japan is nuts, their soldiers are very well trained.
Russia and china would eat japan alive bro...
@@Bababoy6969 incorrect. I’d recommended looking at both unit effectiveness as well as the time Japan would have to setup defensive positions. An invasion as sizable as this would be seen weeks ahead of time, so the U.S.A. would bolster their support troops in Japan, as well as Japan ensuring readiness of their reserves and mobilizing all possible forces.
@@btr-70 soo u think russia and china whould annouce they are attacking japan.... i think japan would have around 10 to 15 hours to prelare a all out defense
@@Bababoy6969 that would take months of build up and a schedule time because of the weather
@@conductingintomfoolery9163 dude...its not a damn soccer game its a invasion....
They’d never invade or try due to one fact
Space force
One US made Death Star will annihilate them
No need for space marines
I would love to see a hypothetical World War 3 video (no nukes as always) between:
Allies:
United States
NATO
Australia
New Zealand
Japan
South Korea
Vietnam
Philippines
Indonesia
Taiwan (RoC)
India
Israel
Eastern Alliance:
China
Russia
North Korea
Pakistan
Iran
Belarus
Why would these groups ally with one another, Pakistan and China, are both in territorial dispute with India, Israel and Iran won't just sit by, without joining against one another, the South East Asian, nations are opposed to China's claims in the South China Sea, Russia and China are somewhat allied, and the war probably started from an attempted invasion of Taiwan, by China.
Some other nations may join, but i am unsure, and may develop over time, other nations that could also join would be, Saudi Arabia, but they also trade with China, so are less likely, but despise Iran, Venezuela may join China, and might pull in South America, with them, but Venezuela is isolated so is unlikely to join, and the Nordic countries and Switzerland, will stay completely neutral, but Norway and Switzerland, will be annoyed by the war alot.
India is neutral
Shabdik Acharyya Hen a world war starts alot of things can change, i think there is a chance of it escalating the Kashmir Conflict, the Israel-Palestine Conflict, and US-Iranian tensions, because without the spotlight, nations will do some strange things, and also i was basing the hypothetical war, off territorial disputes, so i hope you understand why I included India.
Not to mention that India has been growing out of it's Non-aligned Movement past. It's becoming abundantly clear that India, Vietnam, the US and Japan all have common security concerns, and India is engaging them to China's chagrin.
@@shabdikacharyya2516 Unless the conflict starts as a war between India and Pakistan, then the other countries pick sides. Israel is the country I'd leave out, the US would actually tell they to stay out since though they have a strong defensive capabilities, their power projection is extremely limited, meaning they wouldn't be of much use, and them joining up would just cause political problems with the Arab states. However, the Persian Gulf states (sans Iran) would definitely be on the US side.
I could see a war between India and Pakistan escalating if China joins with Pakistan, then the US responds, dragging Japan into the war against China. Then Russia joining with China, bringing NATO into the war. Kind of a repeat of the geopolitics of WWI, just with different players.
Let's not overlook the allies shutting off all seaborne Chinese trade.
Exactly…The bat eaters would run out of fuel and food within 90 days.
Block the Strait of Malacca and China dies very quickly.
If Russia is in the war they can't split their oil reserves.
China surrenders after a while and Russia can't fight a two front war with all of the US's allies.
@@mjgasiecki Relying on allies is kinda risky considering the cause or context of the conflict may actually influence whether they pull through. Heck we r seeing this with Ukrain where some allies are cool with appeasing Russia to end the conflict at the expense of Ukraine.
Human nature
You forget to mention the amount of volunteers America will get when war is declared on Japan.
Forward to 2021. SOmeone needs to remind Binkov, if US cant even defeat a few Taliban soldiers with outdated AK 47 running on sandals, what makes you think the US can defeat China and Russia COMBINED? lol. Sorry, but this is at the minimum, laughable.
@@fredh8065 Fun fact we did beat Taliban soldiers with AKs we killed 51k of them at the cost of 3.5k coalition deaths and its fairly low for both sides. We kicked the Taliban in so hard they didn't want to fight us head to head and camped out in the mountains waiting for a chance to pull a quick ambush. It's just that after we left the Taliban were engaging in conventional warfare.
@@belluh-1huey102 But you didn't defeat them did you? just admit it y'all left because you couldn't defeat them the same y'all failed in vietnam and got your ass whooped LMAO.. stop making excuses and embarrassing yourself anymore.
@@ayanokoji715 Fun fact China got their ass whooped by Vietnam in 1979 in under a year and did a 70s recreation of the Winter war between the Soviets and Finnish. Also, casualties prove otherwise we have a more conservative kill ratio and we still kill more of them. Tell me an instance we lost a major battle in which the Taliban actually fought the US to a one on fight instead of the Taliban just waiting to fight the poorly experienced ANA. It doesn't take anyone with 2 braincells to see that the ANA did the majority of the fighting post 2021. Not to mention mission completed in 2014 and the new mission wasn't to fight the Taliban, but to make the ANA fight the Taliban more often. So get your facts straight, also we had a better kill ratio against the Vietnamese Land, Sea, and Air wise in which we killed more. The NVA invaded a the South in 75 against a ARVN force with 0 US troops as the last troop from the US left in 1973 aka 2 years before the Fall of Saigon.
China: So, we cant use the Tsushima Strait to...
Russia: *Sweats nervously*
Japan: Sweats radioactively
I’m impressed you found eleven more minutes of video after mentioning we have 15 thousand marines in Japan. That alone made my mind up...
awesome channel
Overestimating the enemy has very few downsides compared to underestimating them.
Make a video about a conventional WW3 scenario (NATO, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan VS Russia, China, Iran and North Korea).
id like to see that, but that would not be a small undertaking. We would probably not see another video for almost a year then.
YESS
The real flight of fantasy is the Chinese and Russia getting along long enough to open a door much less conduct a joint military operations.
Bwahahaha!
I honestly feel like Russia likes the US more than China.
In fact China is pressing on Russia to return Vladivostok to them
Miniature Ben actually China with its billion plus population has been eyeing the vast empty Siberian forest for ages as well as Vladivostok. The Russians know this. They are not stupid. Their frontier borders are with China not USA. Their history is one of being continually invaded by the Mongols, the tartars, the Fins, the Turks, Napoleon, Hitler etc etc. they are leery of China so that realistically I do not see them supporting a Chinese invasion of Japan. I think they would give lip service but mobilize in the event of an attempted Chinesr takeover of Siberia
Oh this aged very well. They conducted numerous joint military exercises in the past months
You should redo this video with the changes of the last 3 years
Yep
Given what we have learned from Russia in Ukraine regarding it's ground and air force, I think this video needs an update.
All his videos on Russia need an update Russia getting decimated in Ukraine and he's as quiet as a church mouse.
@@rdf4315 no army has fought a war like the one currently in Ukraine but whatever
80 years ago, us-china-ussr allied together to fight the japanese...
how things have changed in such a short period of time!
China was in a civil war in the middle of a World war. The Soviets were still the enemy but Germany was a bigger threat. Also the Soviets didn't help the US against Japan as much as some reformists believe. Thank you.
@@Predator42ID Yeah, the Soviets and Communist Chinese didn't do shit in the Pacific Front. It was the US and Nationalist Chinese that fought the bulk of that war.
@seth Thomas You are wrong. There were japan forces fighting with the Soviets but nothing big - they were concentrated on the big battle with Germany. After Berlin ... japan was doomed.
Do not get me wrong US did the big hits there.
@@Predator42ID Yes, the Kuomintang and Americans did the bulk of the fighting, but the Soviets did liberate Manchukuo (Manchuria).
Never ever attack the USA or Japan. The response would be hell on earth.
From Superman & Sailormoon. Just kidding. For sure in real life everybody will intervene. Because there's a possibility that China & Japan's neighboring countries will be affected.
War is not the answer. Only dumb people will do that. 🥰😍😘✌
Random Person Why would anyone want to invade those two? There is nothing of value there. I know Russians are forever talking about being surrounded but nobody cares about Russia and nobody cares about China also. Poor lands for farming and even worse transportation systems. Both countries are toilets.
I mean the threat of mutual annihalation of the entire Northern Hemisphere is what prevents this entire scenario for better and much much worse.
Good hypothetical analysis, but as was stated last in the video, there are other players, an attack on USA would invoke NATO...and Russia does not have the means to fight in 2 theaters real time, Then there is the 2 Koreas, Taiwan, Australia, Thailand, Vietnam, India.... A war of this Calibre would quickly escalate to a proper World war, and once pressed hard enough, one of the sides would most certainly use A-weapons, and then the outcome does not matter.
well the purpose of this video was china + russia vs japan + us, obviously there are other players that could happen but thats not this video
I don't think the next world war will involve nukes. My bet is all nuclear powers would fight it out in nonnuclear nations territory. Much like the Russians and Americans did in the cold war but on much larger scale
I think half the people in the comment section are taking this waaaaaayyyy to personally... like guys... chill... this is literally a hypothetical analysis just because its interesting and intresting thought, kind of like the games chess or risk, there isn't any real harm in any of this... like cmon guys, dont get so butt hurt over sombody making simply theoretical videos
Well said dude..cheers✌️🔥🙏
Americans are a bunch of snowflakes. Literally every video they're discussed if they're losing they whine in the comments about how "inaccurate" it is.
@@MrEvan1932 yes you are right
@@MrEvan1932 dude. Noone is saying that at all... dont try and find a way to throw shade on americans just because your country hates them
@Stephen Jenkins ikr. They say were snowflakes and shit, and it honestly gets annoying from how hypocritical it is
I can't imagine the number of civilian casualties.
Revenge for the rape of nanking.
Patrick Milewski The hundreds of thousands of Japanese burned alive in US firebombings in 1945 not good for you? Stop being an idiot.
It'll probably be less than you think since both sides would avoid going after each other's mainland, as it's suicidal to do so anyway. But Okiniwans will suffer, no doubt, their great grandparents faced it before.
3-10% fully acceptable
let's b real, they probably couldn't even get us out of Taiwan... and we wouldn't even be starting in Taiwan
I might have missed it, but I didn't see you mention drones at all. "Suicide" runs with larger drones on major targets or just using them so one side wastes limited missiles is an interesting point to think on.
Make one about a realistic ww3. Both koreas would likely get involved. Taiwan and Australia as well as NATO allies would join the war too
I thought so too. But then leaving it Korea was a pretty good assumption I think as N korea would take advantage of chaos and try moving south, so S Korea would be preoccupied and unable to immediately help. S korea is in a geographical downside in that their capital is within stones throw of N Korean artillery.
Well realistically, I doubt Russia would side with China in a war anyway. China is more of a threat to Russian land than America is.
we will never join the war! It does not benefit us and has nothing to do with us. The Australian people are angry with our involvement in Middle East. It's political suicide for our government to join WW3.
@@aussieboy4090 yeah, I think Americans forget that China is our biggest trading partner.
Considering UK, Canada, Australia and SK would all join in if we're being realistic, not a chance. The Reds might get some early victories but they would be contained within a year.
What exactly is a Red? A Communist? A Republican? A Cincinnati baseball fan?
It's been nearly 30 years since Russia was Red if you mean Communist...
Guess we're all nuts to take strategy from a talking frog puppet...
@@cs-rj8ru Dude, red as the color that Binkov used in this scenario lmao
Russia and Chinas "capitalism" are not even close to the USA' s capitalism.
I'm not sure they matter. The US can win this alone. Canada definitely doesn't have the power projection to do much in that area.
Hg Giacomello Yes,in Russia all citizens can vote at the presidential elections,unlike China and the USA
In a wartime situation I think countries could mobilize quicker than months. I mean it just seems like they wouldn't take so long but I'm not sure either.
#1 Korea would not be neutral.
#2 Japan is more powerful than Ukraine.
#3 I expect more than 2 US carriers with full Airwings.
Don't forget about the Philippines as well! While in theory not a huge military super power, they could provide huge support in the war.
@@alexspillman9192 on point.
Australia is bound by a defence we would definitely be there too ....
@@alexspillman9192 Some nukes will send you back to your place
@@Daniel23424 China and russia would get nuked too then
Second Korean War(USA+Japan+ROK vs DPRK+Russia+China)
You missed out the UK and france
That would be super juicy
This video actually explains most of that war.
I know that your videos assume no allies, but come on, I want to see you make an in depth WW3 video
@rob 998 it'd make for a short video
Stopping the Russian fleet from being able to transit the Bering Strait falls on the Alaska Air National Guard and the USAF contingent in Alaska and the US Navy in Washington State and California.
Translation, the Russian Navy gets sunk because Washington is the home port of many US west coast carriers, and all of those carriers that are undergoing complex maintenance, their air wings are fully combat capable and are within flying distance.
1st the E-2's find them, then the E-18G's blind them rendering their air defense systems useless, then the F/A-18's and P-3 Orion's slaughter them with a hail of Harpoons.
Bro this sounded like the grown up equivalent of playing with dolls
I live in WA, right in the middle of a handful of naval bases and dozens of local ports. We have half a dozen decommissioned ships within sight of my house that could be overhauled into working conditions as well in the Bremerton port!
@@LancesArmorStriking Why do you think the USAF keeps fighters in Alaska? It's a scenario that's been wargamed a lot, it's one in Larry Bond's Harpoon, there is even one for C:MANO
@@pogo1140
I'm aware. I'm just saying the way you described it, came attached with a giddiness that sounded almost childlike. I guess everyone has their hobbies
@@LancesArmorStriking well, in every iterations of that Russia Alaska transit, I've not seen one where a Russian/Soviet surface combatant ever survived long enough to make it past the Aleutians. Not without the US bases in Alaska, Washington, California and Nevada getting nuked 1st.
Blue team would still get Australia and the UK as help on there side with the red team having no other allies with a decent navy or air force that would help. UK and Australia already have a defence agreement with Japan , together they are stronger then Russians fleet near Japan
The next question is, what would the world situation look like five, ten, or twenty years after the war? Could the US replace its losses in a timely manner? What would happen to China's economy when faced with a complete boycott by the US? Would Japan or South Korea start a crash program to build their own nukes? What would be the political fallout for Russia and the impact on their economy? Describing the slugfest is great, but there is always an after the war to think about. Perhaps Binkov's Battlegrounds could partner with an alternate history channel to address those questions.
China is facing a catastrophic population crash in the next 25 years. They have had the one child family policy since 1979 until recently, and the people are apparently still following it. Therefore, pretty soon, the vast majority of their population will be geriatric, and that’s going to be very difficult.
It wouldn’t be just by the US. The US navy would block ALL trade to China that comes over sea
There is a major flaw in your strategy, Binkov. According to you, Russia sent most of its Northern fleet, and most of its air and land forces East, to help China, so why wouldn't the United States of America use its Atlantic fleet and Air Forces/Army units, in Europe, to attack Moscow? It would be mostly defenseless.
This is a good point. US keeps a lot of forces in Europe.
@Drew of course we would need NATO. 70% of our forces would be in the Pacific.
I know the scenario is limited for the sake of simplicity, but there’s no way in hell North Korea wouldn’t take advantage of the chaos to attack the South, and same thing with China and Taiwan.
That would be a terrible mistake on North Koreas part. In a conventional fight the South Koreas military would lay waste to the North Koreans armed forces. The ROK is better equipped and trained than the North.
Great video analysis! I beg to differ one small point. The Marines and Japanese troops on Okinawa would survive any bombardment mostly intact. We learned well from our Japanese friends the value of defensive positions and going underground...
They'll never destroy anime
You mean the rising sun of Japan
Yes, okinawa would fall so easily because we all know that no one could have survived that bombardment. Right?
I wonder who made that assumption?
Russian fighter pilots barley keep up enough hours in training to remember how to turn on the radar lmao. Here's the thing though......so Many of the "experts" in the comments always forget that just because China has certain equipment, it does not mean that the personnel know how to use it to its full capability and are trained well enough to use it for the right strategy. Even during china's own self simulation war practices(in which China even makes it sssoooo favorable for its troops/personnel) China still either barley wins or loses majority of the time. Also, majority of china's equipment is not tested in actual war time. US is the sole military that has 20 years of recent experience and training in war and use of equipment
I think that North and South Korea would also be in this war. And Taiwan would also probably join by the US side
🇺🇸🇯🇵🇰🇷🇹🇼...
🇷🇺🇨🇳🇰🇵...
I’m sure India would also join the U.S and it’s allies 🇮🇳
@@TheLoNeDarkWolf999 I'm not it would be hell especially logistically, I'm not sure how well the Indian army could do with massive troop movements in extremely remote areas with poor logistics. Not mention the fact if they did Pakistan would 100% get involved and you know nukes would be exchanged. I think they would sit it out
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 Well India won't join until Pakistan joins the fight. Jai Hind Jai Bharat 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
We know why an invasion of Japan would fail....there is the divine wind and Godzilla ready to defend the Land of the Rising Sun!
Didn’t help them last time 😂
Japan technically never been taken by forces, it's one of the only few Asian countries to do so. The only time its mainland was invaded is when it voluntarily surrendered to the US after 2 atomic bombs, so that in a way, doesn't count as a invasion in a traditional sense.
Meanwhile in Pyongyang...
"the Yankee capitalist dogs left South Korea? Smells like reunification"
NK is not capable of over SK at this point. their fixed artillery assets will get destroyed after some initial engagements and their tanks... well their tanks are very, very outdated. not to mention poor training and moral. they'd be lucky to keep their own state.
@@artruisjoew5473 that doesnt mean they wont try, especially when US is busy fighting Russia+China as in this video
@a chinese Muslim hows the reeducation camp. is the pork alright? i hear they are overcooked but delicious nonetheless.
@a chinese Muslim don't worry, the chinese government will finish you off in a few decades.
The Hokkaido scenario forgets that the JSDF has the Type 16. Something that can easily take out most armoured vehicles the airborne can muster. Not to mention the Northern Army has most of the armoured forces.
I think the biggest thing this scenario ignores is that china is neither food nor energy secure, and does not possess the navy to ensure shipment security across the globe. The united states possesses the means to intercept these shipments, thus denying them to china. The biggest issue for china would not be US troops, but rather the domestic implications of a food and energy crisis, on top of the economic implications of an exporting nation being cut off from consumers across the globe. The 1 belt 1 road initiative could mitigate this somewhat however it relies on the cooperation of all members in the chain. If even one flips to support the united states (or the US interrupts transport infrastructure via explosives) then it would have serious implications for china receiving the goods it needs to effectively combat the US and maintain peace at home.
This all ignores that the Chinese do NOT have a true blue water capability, that their carriers are NOT combat capable, that they are boxed in (for now) west of the Ryukus because they simply do not have the capacity to fight the Japanese, much less the American navy. ANY buildup for this kind of operation, to include moving supplies and troops, would trigger an INSTANT response by the U.S. and ships would sortie weeks before the Chinese could move. Any diplomatic connection of militaries by Russia and China would trigger an INSTANT response. This scenario is COMPLETELY unrealistic.
Which is why he stipulated no prep time. The fact is, and Binkov would admit this. The Naval and Air Forces of the United States of America are nigh unbeatable by even their near peers. _It is even unrealistic to have the Russian Federation and China on the same side in this war. _ However without something like that the answer would be easy. The US would blockade China and bomb to destroy their C4ISTAR infrastrucutre, their warmaking industiral capacity, and the infrastructure they need to provide electricity, water, and food to the populace.
Japan thank you for helping the u.s out we love you all you are our friends.
Taiwan, India, Japan, Indonesia, Australia would be on china while Russia would literally have the force of E.U. on them.
@@iamaloafofbread8926 I'm sure even Muslim country would help Australia against china
The missiles can be produced and replenished though. So it depends on how fast missiles can be replenished vs how quickly the defenders can repair the damages. I would imagine that if the war takes place in 6 months, the Chinese factories would be converted to produce the likes of DF26 and DF17s like there is no tomorrow. I would imagine they can turn out hundreds per month.
uhhh couldn't the same side do it as well?
@@isaiahgadil7697 The question would be who and where the missiles are manufactured on the other side. Does Japan produce, say Patriots, or do they 100% reply on shipping from the US?
If they enter into an attrition match of bombing each other with missiles then the side with signicantly larger land mass wins.
@@tonglianheng from my understanding the U.S extended the license to japan to manufacture Patriots
@Fight for the truth if everyone starts building more missiles, then factories become a prime target. Easy prey for stealth bombers. Of which American has in superior forms and quantities.
@@foxkenji Stealth Bombers would be mostly pieces of wreckage after the first month of such conflict. Besides, mounting a long range bombing mission deep inside China or Russia using say, a B-2 or even a B-23 is nothing more than wasting a valuable hard to replace asset.
Blue Air power is being grossly underestimated.