ViPPeR_666 here, thank you for reading my nickname right. You're in highly regarded group of 5 people who managed to say it right in nearly 20 years now. Thanks for having me in your video, cheers dude.
half wanting to submit to elo hell tbh not because I think I'm in elo hell (I'm not, I'm just real bad at the game), but because I want voo to meme on me or the guys I usually play with
There's no ELO Hell in ranking. However there's ELO Hell mindset, meaning that you have to change yourself in order to see the impact you expect. I was performing way above my levels for several years, but never ended reaching level 10 solo on FACEIT. I started to wonder why as I always blamed someone else for it. It was me and my toxic mindset always looking for flaws somewhere else. I let that go and changed the way I approach games and teammates and here I am way above level 10.
Good comment bro From the day i started i never understood why people complain about elo hell when they just need to get better to rank up I think reaching lvl 10 faceit is very easy if you just focus on improving
@@Joseph-ug7tl Level 10 doesn't stop there. The "real" level 10 games start above 3k ELO. That's because many skilled players who used to be LVL10 few years ago moved way past 2k ELO and LVL10 right now is what LVL7 used to be few years ago. If this makes sense. It's because they need to rework the ranks and include something above like: LVL10 Gold, Platinum, Diamond, Master etc...
Guys REMEMBER: when he says your not in elo hell doesnt mean that theres nothing to do anymore and ur just trash, no, thats not how it is. It means theres ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT meaning better aim or better game sence. both easily practised so you can get that fancy rankup finally. you can train game sence just by playing more games and use ur brain while you play. doesnt mean you only learn if you win, if you use brain u learn either way. you can train just raw aim by going aimbots, taking warmups always before you play comp, playing community dm. There are multiple popular training programs you can find by just searching videos from youtube or something, they are all good. Personally my training includes small warmup in aimbotz, then few hours of community dm and that just everyday. at first communtiy dm is very hard atleast for me it was, but you will just need to play and it'll get better. sometimes i play aimlab but i think its not that great than just community dm, so its definately not a replacement for it csgo in game training (so if u dont know these weird names i talked about heres info: aimlab; a free steam app for training ur aim in fps games. aimbotz; a workshop map for csgo you can subscribe and then play (for free) to practise aim, you can find workshop from steam and sesrch for aimbotz training to find the map in the csgo part of workshop. community dm; deathmatch community servers you can find in community server browser in game. as a european i recommend retake and dm servers tagged brutalcs)
Few hours?? You crazy to warm up like 100 is fine and to practice your aim doesnt tame a couple hours xD if you got decent aim 100 dm kills is like 10 minutes
i havent Exeprienced Elo Hell just yet (although i experienced silver hell but that doesnt count) So the lesson i learnt here was "if you are hardstuck in a rank its usually your fault"
Exactly, if you want to rank up you gotta step up your game, practice your aim, crosshair placement, angles knowledge, movement, watch your demos, learn smokes / flashes, some specific tips and tricks on some maps, improve your mental attitude, your focus, your comms, your hardware / peripherals, your settings, your gamesense.. There's always something to improve
@@StarXsu90 I feel you. I have 4ms delay from my tv monitor, yes a 27 inch tv monitor. I've played with 200fps+ on my siblings pc and a 60hz monitor for 2 days the results are night and day for me.
I remember, a few years ago, I was watching some youtuber talk about League of Legends (can't remember, maybe it was Thorin, NEACE, Redmercy, or someone else) and he said something that stuck with me and I ended up applying to my actual life, it went something along the lines of: "If you play a thousand matches and lose all of them, the only constant is YOU. You are the only one immutable variant in ALL of those games, and if YOU lose then maybe you're not as good as you think, maybe you belong right where you are" Again, paraphrasing because I can't even remember whose video it was, but it erased any and all thoughts of an actual ELO Hell being real. You won't get that rank 10 (or whatever you strive for) if you yourself are not playing, consistently, like a rank 10. Even when your teammates suck, even when you're soloqueing against a full premade, the only way you'll BE it is if you either already are it or are willing to look at yourself in the mirror (or demo, whatever) and work on what's clearly wrong. To close, the one overly done tip every youtuber ever said that's actually useful: "Ask yourself not what your team didn't do but what you could've done different, better. And remember, you can't always win."
Yes, this is what players need to hear. I think a good idea in relation to the elo hell series would be to play a demo of someone and pause at certain points of the demo explaining what opertunities the player missed, or his teammates missed. And I don't just mean when he dies or get a kill, just mid round rotations, possible to bait for a teammate by making a step/shooting. Also showing how the enemy team reacts to a play the player does and how he can mix it up. The series is already my favourite cs go series on youtube but giving the mid round stuff would be nice :P
I played and won 6 in a row yesterday and ranked up. Played one today with a person spinning in spawn all game, one person who naded us everytime the round started, and then eventually two rage quits so it was just me and the one person left who was a decent human being. Deranked after that one loss (albeit we certainly lost every round). Unfortunately for people who solo Q, CS GO is a team game and round wins are what matters. Not fragging. You can have great gamesense, utility usage, and aim but never get out of silver if you don't have a consistent squad. Some people have time to grind all day, but for most of us we can't. It's the luck of the draw, but one can't complain because we know this when we hit search. That the teammates might be trolling/hacking/or whatever else. It only feels like hell if you go in solo expecting to have a good time. This is the same with any game that requires true teamwork to win rounds. EDIT: All I'm saying is teamwork and winning rounds is what matters.
"You can have great gamesense, utility usage, and aim but never get out of silver if you don't have a consistent squad" so everyone above silver full stacks?
@@ra1lgunz268 Ya, I was able to get out of silver. It's a grind for sure but it can be done. I just had A LOT more success gaming with my squad and our games are always MUCH more organized. We can maximize each others potential.
I have a streak of 2-8 but I really enjoyed those games. Almost all were 25+ rounds and no obv cheaters at all. I must say this is, despite close losses, much more fun than the usual 5-5 where you either have no chance or completely destroy your opponent. I don't care about elo hell as long as it's entertaining
@Helal Vodka got any tips for Mirage? Playing with lower ranked friends, but we can easily coordinate together, fakes and splits might work well. What would be most impactful on lower ranks (silver - gold nova)?
dude youre fighting an uphill battle here. there are people in the comments even now saying you cant get out of silver solo queue because its luck of the draw. that 20/20/60 rule is interesting though
I'm "the people" I've learned a lot from voo and I agree with him. All I'm saying is in team games, in order to rank up consistently, you should have a team. Solo Q is luck of the draw and just because voo says it's split 20/20/60, doesn't mean that he is accurate with that assessment or that it is universal.
During this video I was thinking he was trying to kill the concept of his own serie by teaching people that they're not in elo hell. Luckily people don't listen and are still going to send their 40kills games for review
@@RyanJamesOfficial yeah, yeah you are. thats why i said its interesting. its interesting to think about it. of course it isnt something set in stone by an algorithm, its just a concept. one i havent thought about before. and after a certain point cs becomes pointless anyway unless youre in a organised team. because you just end up playing the same maps, same positions and grinding out the same shit round in round out to rank up. stopping you developing. but to believe you cant rank up because of luck is stupid. if you more skilled than your rank and you contribute more than everyone on your team on a game by game basis, on average you will rank up. it may be a grind. but it will happen. its like do you really think simple couldnt solocarry out of level 9 faceit to level 10? of course he could. may take a while and he will still have some losses but its an inevitability.
Dunno I dont think its luck of the draw. I went out of silver with just playing office and up to nova 3 from nova 1 playing other maps and no more office
My problem is I feel like my aim is not good enough to hard carry games. If the team works together and communicates, games go well. If they don't and we are all playing individually, it falls apart. Angles aren't being watched, dying from the side etc. I can't just peek out and grab a kill. If the team works together, I can position myself for advantageous engagements, but if I overextend I always pay for it.
As a cs 1.6 veteran i agree with everything you say in this video. The main issue that lower ranked players have is the mentality. When you go into a game you should ALLWAYS think that you can impact the game. Not even just by stats, but by everything else such as motivation and calling and just staying positive. Blame yourself for each loss and look at what YOU can do better. Sometimes you will get complete morons as teammates, but you can't change your teammates, and also this happens to EVERYONE not just you. You can however change how you react in those situations and don't tilt over it. Stop blaming teammates for losses, blame yourself, you can allways do more to increase the chances of winning. Eventually you will not only improve yourself, but also get better teammates.
It's simple, I win global matches with friends (they call me boosted but usually I'm top 3. But then when you solo queue for once it really hits you that the rank you have been given really sucks. Now the game thinks I'm stupid and i should play with lv 2 people. I can't play with those people, no one covers your ass, everyone baits you, people are trolling etc. So your level only goes lower and lower. If S1mple has 4 teammates that are useless I'm pretty sure he would lose all he's elo also. You cant attack solo or defend solo. They should make the system that if you carry games but lose you could still level up based on stats. Just taking the raw lose or win data is bullshit. Find yourself 4 friends, and queue with 5. It's the only way to get on top of things. And if you want to play solo? Don't. Simple as that, don't play cs if you don't have a team. You just cant work with people in lower levels you just can't.
Well if you listened, then basically the conclusion of the video is: ELO hell doesn't exists, but being unlucky for an extented amount of time is possible.
@@Luckyyshot no. From my experience ELO hell is having almost every game a team that forcebuys every single round, always push alone, always die, doesn't have a grasp on the concept of economy, can't for their life eco just once, buy 4 awps, don't use utility like ever, etc. etc. etc. Stories from my Silver Elite Master ELO games
@@alexismandelias Well they have the knowledge that their rank reflect. I'm sure there's just as many factors you lack that they don't, and is the reason you're in that rank. Best general tip in life I can give you: Stop blaming others for your short comings.
@@Luckyyshot there are indeed areas I'm worse at, otherwise I may have climbed more easily. But saying ELO hell doesn't exist because most players are bad is severely underestimating the importance of a team. Yeah I can miss awp shots and let the enemy control long, yeah I rarely get anything in pistol rounds, yeah I do sometimes greed bad die for it, but that's completely different from having a general game sense and frantically trying to get the team to coordinate when the enemy team have a smurf with 160 adr that determines the game from the first 2 rounds
I love how this guy talks about dropping 42 kills and losing in ludicrous, try dropping high 40s low 50s consistently and still losing, thats fucking elo hell. Being in a game where the only rounds you win are rounds you ace, thats elo hell.
I had a game where I had 3 aces, 1 4v1, and 2 3v1's in a match as a silver 3. Guess who is still silver 3. Elo Hell exists. I don't much care for my rankup, because I feel like silver is just for casual shitters like myself anyway. However, when I dominate a lobby and drop high 30's low 40's nigh every game, I seriously question how the game determines my rank.
@@SkollTheWerewolf Game takes into account stupid shit like playing too often making it harder to rank up. When I play alot it typically takes around 20 wins in a row for a rank up. In contrast if i only play a few times in a month it may only take 5 games. How well I do doesnt seem to matter as people I play with still rank up from getting 5 kills a game.
@@CraterM Yeah ever since Valve rebalanced the rankings. I used to be gold nova 4, after the changes i instantly went down to silver 5. Then after not playing a loty rank reset to unranked, played again, and then I was silver 2. That's a heavy ass nerf lol
a lot of these videos are about faceit but in mm I go on constant 5-10 winstreaks and then lose a game or two at random times. my rank is still staying silver 2 even though I try my best to make impactful kills that affect the outcome of the game, and I think I do decently at it. I usually go anywhere from 3rd to 1st place on my team and I never bait my teammates, always use comms properly, never be toxic, and try to be just the example of a decent csgo player but I can never rank out. I think that in faceit this might not be a problem but in matchmaking it's really difficult to rankup.
I haven't really been in ELO Hell. When i play with a team that works well together I usually rank up easily. But a few months ago i started playing comp with some friends who were new in Silver. and I hadn't played too much before so my rank dropped to silver from losing rank after not playing for like a month. When we would play together i dropped probably 6 40 kill games in one week and the rest were high 20's - high 30's. and i would win most matches probably 7-8/10(I was a higher rank before hand like low MG). Yet i would rarely rank up. Now i rarely play and im stuck in silver cause im bad but still comp ranking is kinda busted. Those people who are clearly better than their ranks I feel get out of the ranks slowly as a solo or duo's. Not really ELO hell but would be very annoying for someone who wants a higher rank. People shouldn't be earning low amounts of elo when they consistently do very good just because their opponents are at a bit lower rank/ELO. They should be getting pushed up a bit faster so they can get to the rank they should be at.
the only reason i some items feel i’m in elo hell is because i can win 3/4 games back to back then rank up, then go into the next rank and have 1 guy on my team who is AFK the whole game, his friend who votes F2 on kicking because ‘he will be back’ then that angry russian who will rush B on his own because he apparently thinks he is pro. i will have 2/3 games like this back to back and lose them, i will be too fragging every time in games like this with around 25/30 frags and because i lost the games i derank again. it’s been like this for a month or two now but i can’t argue since i am solo q’ing. once i find some good guys that have the same goals as me, be it competitive and wanting to grind the ranks without being toxic and fucjing about, i’m sure at that point i’ll rank up for certain
i have 24avg kills 1.31kd 0.9kr and i never flame or be toxic against my teammates and do my best but however i still have %40 winrate and im stuck on level 6 :(
referring to your 20/20/60 rule it's more polarized for me (maybe 25/25/50) and i think it's got something to do with the way i play but when i try to play differently i suck absolute ass
Hello there. I've thought that I am in ELO hell too - I was stuck on lvl6 like year. So I have decided to play every game on 100% and BEFORE starting games I have trained my aim about 1-2 hours. And you know what happened? I ranked from lvl6 to lvl10 in a month. I checked my KPR - its above 0.7 - so I think I did it right. I was playing solo btw
Is Australia in ELO hell? Everyone on my friends list dropped from DMG/eagle, to around MG1 after the first rank bell curve adjustment. This felt like a fair rank for me and the many people I commonly play with, and was widely discussed and understood by the community as a necessary adjustment. A few years later though, when other countries started reaching networking thresholds that allowed them to match make with eachother (and we didn't), we all dropped mysteriously even further down the rank pool, to high silver, mid nova ranks. MG2 is the highest rank I see in Aus. This is my whole friends list too, and I've maxed out my friends count on Steam. I've been in and out of silver ranks in the last couple of years. I didn't even start in silver ranks back in 2013. I started at nova 3. It just feels filthy.
Voo don't you think elo hell can exist given MM's mysterious frag/score rewarding glicko-2 system? If you're constantly creating the most impact in your Games, but every loss or win you have, you don't get a lot of elo/glicko because you don't have a high score or high frags (thus getting a less percentage of the elo you just won) , so despite literally winning the team rounds, you aren't ranking up, but you deserve to rank up? This can't be a problem with faceit's system.
I know this system is a black box and you can't just make statements about it, but the general consensus seems that game and round wins count A LOT more than score
@@Icewaffel agreed, so it's not entirely sure what I'm saying will happen, but mm is also known for having really messed up ranks jumbled together, so there are popular cases of players just not being able to rank up, despite creating strong impact (fl0m's failed road to global series etc)
The problem with evaluating a game like this, especially by numbers and gameplay footage is that you don't account for all the unknowns. ELO hell doesn't exist and most of the time any type of skill placement or rank associated with a static numerical value will not accurately depict the actual skill of the player. Basically there's too many unknown variables even down to ping that effect most games like CS which is why you shouldn't worry about rank and worry about winning as many games as possible.
hey voo, i have a question. so i started playing faceit way too early (gold nova 2/3) with friends who were infinitely better than me, and thus also higher in rank. i sucked and we lost a lot of games purely because i was a complete bot. i stopped playing faceit and went back into matchmaking for about a year to play with a different group of friends. i started warming up, i watched smoke tutorials, learned good angles to hold from, etc etc etc. i did everything in my power to "get good". i have 1800 hours at this game now (mm rank peak at le) and i would love to get back into playing faceit, but my friends are lvl 6 and i'm all the way down at lvl 1. i can't play with my friends seeing as we'd just get dunked on every game, but soloqueuing gives me a team of mad russian children with about 300 hours of playtime. i can't play with my friends and face lvl 6 players because i'm not good enough for that, but i'm also 100% sure that i shouldn't be in lvl 1. i feel like my rank isn't something i myself can affect in any way really at this point. does this qualify as elo hell?
That 4th round on overpass was god awful, teammates are pushed up on A and can listen to the Ts, he rotates to B with no info and just goes down and up the stairs and is basically afk when his teammates needed him. Had flash and incendiary and never used it to help his teammates then probably whined that he killed 2 and can't kill everyone.
Well, this is tough. For me, personally, if the team is bad, I usually suck with whole team. I usually don't play the most impact positions, and I don't even want to. If I wanna get better on my positions, I can't change B anchor for playing mid or A, just because my team sucks. If I did, I would probably suck, bcs it's not my position, plus I won't practice my positions as well...
Elo hell is actually just being very lackluster in some area of skill in CS. I used to play support on a cs team back in 2016, and took a 4 year break, I have started playing against LEMS+ again. Unless I am on a team with people with good aim, there is simply nothing I can do against some of the prefires and flicks these guys hit, my consistency is just not there. But, I almost always have the most flashes hit, and I normally strat call and try to untilt my teammates. So, because of my aim duels being the biggest thing I am working on, I nearly always frag pretty low. :/ I would describe this as feeling like elo hell, especially if I try to solo que, as, once the coordination is gone, my communication abilities don't mean shit.
I think that what people are calling elo hell is actually the large number of games you need to play in order to get to your actual rank. The ranking system of faceit is very slow for the individual player since it looks at the outcome of the game only and not at the contribution of you as a player. It is true that eventually a good impact player will rank up, it is just a very furstrating and slow process, due to the nature of the elo gain and loss of each game (when one game failure undo your success in a previous game, making you feel like you have wasted your time and hence the term "hell"). To get to your actual elo you need hundreds if not 1000+ games. The fact that most of the accounts of faceit that you encounter on the begginer levels are new, the variance of your team and enemy level is very large and as a result the variance of the outcome of your games. This is why imo to rank up from 3 to 4 if you are a level 5 player is harder and requires more gring then to rank of from 7 to 8 if you are a level 9 player. Strictly due to the large variance and big numbers rule.
Elo hell is when you are better than everyone in the game but u arent good enough to carry your team. Losers queue is when you are constantly queued with people lower rank than u, with enemy team slightly lower rank than you but higher rank than ur team, thus u cant carry hard enough to win games
The problem with "Elo hell" players is that they're playing for rank more than to improve. If you just play to get better at the game instead of focusing on some arbitrary elo rating then you'll improve.
I don't care about elo hell, I just want to play a game that is actually winnable. I am silver 1 and queue with friends but the only few games we have won were ones where 1 or more opponents quit. Even when we are playing 5v4 we manage to lose because the 4 players on the opposing team hit 80%+ headshots, peek like the pros, and flashes don't seem to affect them. I hate silver
People don’t understand some things about face it. Majority of the time people are out of their actual ranks. If that means they are lower or higher. So until you hit like lvl 7 it doesn’t get better. At one point I lost so much elo in mythic league that I dropped from 6 to lvl 2. So there I was way under where I feel completely comfortable with my skill level. Down the road of the grind to get back to at least leave 6. I ran into people who where complete bots. Fresh accounts. Or people who simply were smurfing. All that matters the outcome of the match you’re playing. On top of this all. People have bad and good games. You never know what you get when you queue.
Interesting series, but I suspect it might get repetitive pretty quickly. On a side note, I'm annoyed that some people care about ranks so much. It's nice to have a goal, but I hate when someone is addicted in a negative way. It's a game in the first place. Just a bunch of talented people get to play it professionally. I do think visible ranks are bad in many games. 1.6 didn't have ranks, skins, etc. But it was just as, if not more enjoyable.
I think one of the reasons for people believing in Elo hell is because CS:GO ranking system is absolute trash. Even with 80% winratio, it can take weeks to rank up (It took me 2 weeks with that winrate, playing 3-4 games a day, whereupon I immediately ranked down after 2 games that tied. It's not exacting motivating). It feels like an endless grind, with zero feedback until you eventually rank up or down, which can take a long long time. CS:GO should have taken a few pointers from it's own company's sister esport game Dota 2 (Not that people don't complain about elo hell there as well, but the ranking system is at least a lot more transparent).
When I play cs go again ... I play a lot and all soloq. People who play less do better in ELO people who party do better in ELO. I don't cheat but at some point I just end up with a lot of toxic teammates and cheaters. Then I quit again. 12 years into playing cs ... still hating it.
Elo hell's existence is debatable on faceit tbh I managed to get global Insight 2k hours, juste starting faceit, I'm lvl 4/5 with 1.40 KD and I can't win consistently, despite having a good mindset, absolutely not being toxic, etc
1600 games in Faceit and I’m back to lvl 1 after a 20+ game loss streak. When I play with higher lvl people I do much better, even won a couple of those lvl 7+ tourneys. Then.. it’s like Faceit says “NOPE, down you go” and the losing starts. After 4-5 losses in a row, playing against super human robots who never miss a 1 tap on me, my attitude changes, play style changes, and it’s a domino effect. You’d expect there to be some games where I’d just get carried out of the slump, but no... doesn’t happen. Faceit constantly stacks teams against me, I’ll get in games where it’s a -35 elo for me and get completely rolled. Again, and again, and again, and again. Current sitting at 600 ELO, finally won one last night, then lost two more. 😞 that’s ELO hell. *throws comp out window Lvl 3 and below is a shit show, especially late night, lvl 1,2 with 2.0+ kd, less than 100 matches played and Chinese writing in their names. I’ve given up before the map is chosen
20/20/60 rule is a far greater misconception than Elo Hell existence. As far as I know, it is not backed up by any proper study, I suspect that it just started by a pure guess of some professional player. On lower ranks, the issue is pretty simple - to greatly increase your chance of winning you have to be able to hard carry some of the rounds by winning many strictly mechanical aim duels. Elo Hell means exactly that games are very chaotic and low-quality and many gamers are unable to accomodate to that environment.
Hah i like how in mm i sometimes lost 20 games in a row or win 20 games in a row. I dont rankup even tho im not rly carrying my team but at the same time im not feeding just in the middle. Meanwhile in valorant losing 2-3 games guarantee derank
MM is big fucked, I have gone on 30+ win streaks with 5qs and had no one rank up, a couple losses later and we derank. Eventually you just gotta give up.
@@lukast.4254 i know that 15 avg is bad thats the whole point. and you think i got lucky for 250 games in a row? whenever i didnt play on 2k+ elo i was smurfing i had 15 average from like lvl 6 until i hit lvl 10 and i constantly got higher elo but my stats stayed the same looks like a weird coincidence and not improvement right
Lvl 4 kd 1.17 kr 0.75 😰 always reaching lvl 5 close to 6 solo and than I have the intention to say that I miss good mates to win the games. A friend says that it is my mindset that I have to change. Than I would easily play lvl 7 to 8
I have a very good game sense I guess but aim is still a bit rusty. I will search for a team as MM always give me players with no game sense at all ...
There are different metas tho, and if you have experience playing a different meta, then you can be psychologically stuck in the annoyance instead of adapting to the way the game is played at different levels. I will give an example that people might understand: If you are an academic who uses complex language in your work at a high abstraction level, then you will have a hard time communicating in youtube comments if you try to use concepts and words that people dont understand or dont have the time to look up, so you have to adapt to the youtube comments in order to get a point across. One is not necessarily smarter than the other .. there is just different lingo and different norms. Generally, people stick to their elo, but some people are creative soules and look past the norms, conventions, metacommunications, fashions etc.
Just trying to follow what you've said between videos, in your first video of the series you stated "ELO Hell doesn't exist", and here you made a comment "ELO Hell is..." and explained where you believe it does exist. Are you revising yourself with this or have you just been reluctant to acknowledge it?
I actually am in elo hell when I play with low rank teammates I get top frag and lose way more than I should win when I get higher rank teammates I actually do decent and middle frag most of the time and win more games then I lose the problem is I'm in a low rank which means I have to play with low rank teammates
Elo hell can exist, but its super rare, in about 5k games i've played of CSGO there is only 25 matches where i thought i was in elo hell and it was when i went 1-24 from those 25 matches i remember carrying most of those, stopped playing cause of that and now im the one who is the reason why people think they are in elo hell lol
Tbf kd isn't everything. I have a 1.33kd lvl 5 and feel I'm around the right rank. Sometimes I feel I'm better but when I queue in a hub lvl 5-8 I really see how much better tactically the higher ranks are even if your aim is better than your rank you might still deserve it
Now that I remember the last 5 games I've played in cs I had between 43 and 52 kills per game and lost every one of them and def did not rank up , getting a new acc and trying to rank up on it is way easier it seems
Same, my main acc is SEM and my smurf is GNM and i was in MG but had a lil loss streak, MM is NOT the place to play competitive csgo, at best its a laughingstock of a queue and anyone who cares about MM rank is smoking crack
Just sucks that valve wont do anything to fix all the broken ass issues (had 2 games today where we kicked someone due to griefing (threw HE in a choke with teammates multiple times, sprinted when everyone was walking, etc)) MM is a joke and nobody who takes cs serious should ever even touch it, literally just a place where talent goes to die
@@minneman9137 I see , I have tried faceit and it was good but I guess it's just that when I started playing I wanted to be GE , so if I come back I could play anything but MM till I'm way better and then play mm and carry everyone to GE lol
I dont understand why those players say they are in "elo hell".... Iam lvl 8 with 24 avg kills / 0.9 k/r / 1.34 kd and I still don't say I'm in elo hell. Because I loose many games where I feel i could have played it just a tiny touch better so we would have won them.
everybody claiming to be in elo hell should play a couple of games in a lobby with the rank they think they deserve and most of them will see how bad they actually are
I dont get it... my friends dont want to play with my main, cause they're afraid i'll lose my rank... but i dont really care, if i deserve my rank, i'll get it back.
Late to the party , but you are a bit wrong with the 20/20/60 mate . You don't account for solo queueing. Because as a solo queue you face other solo queuers PLUS teams of 5.
Really glad to see the mathematical reality around Elo Hell acknowledged. Definitely some people get unlucky and take more games for their rank to converge (some rare cases may never converge at all, maybe) but most people that claim "Elo hell" are just overestimating themselves.
You know what boys, i don't need a girlfriend, cause toxic teammates in MM fuck me everyday. A 40 bomb in 25 rounds and they still insult me if i get 4 kills in a clutch and but don't have time to defuse. I hate soloQ-ing in Silver cause when you go down, the round is pretty much gone. People are extremely stupid, like dry peeking awpers, leaving sites for no apparent reasons and having to rotate a long ass way cause they lost it, force buying awp on eco. And i just feel helpless. Even when i try my best, top fragging with a distance of at least 7 kills, playing objective,making round-impacting plays, defending sites, delaying rushes, calling out, isolating angles, using nades, winning aim duels and doing massive damage to the other teams, they still manage to lose rounds after I go down. I need help and a team :'(
ViPPeR_666 here, thank you for reading my nickname right. You're in highly regarded group of 5 people who managed to say it right in nearly 20 years now. Thanks for having me in your video, cheers dude.
You’re not vipper but nice try
LOL I was playing against him in ecl
I'm in ELO heaven, carried hard by teammates :P
Lmao I was in elo heaven too, got a 17 match win streak
edit: ended up being a 21 match win streak to win a prize :D
FINALLY
ELO HEAVEN
ye haha i got to lv 10 soloq and I 100% didnt deserve it
I think I am in elo hell. Lost 15 out of 21 matches
@@itsfunism do you play free or premium
half wanting to submit to elo hell tbh
not because I think I'm in elo hell (I'm not, I'm just real bad at the game), but because I want voo to meme on me or the guys I usually play with
*Do it*
Probably a nice video.
Finished it. It's a nice video. Voo is very informative
How tf did you comme t before the video was posted lmao
Probably cause it was unlisted
imagine not submitting clips so that voo can roast you
There's no ELO Hell in ranking. However there's ELO Hell mindset, meaning that you have to change yourself in order to see the impact you expect. I was performing way above my levels for several years, but never ended reaching level 10 solo on FACEIT. I started to wonder why as I always blamed someone else for it. It was me and my toxic mindset always looking for flaws somewhere else. I let that go and changed the way I approach games and teammates and here I am way above level 10.
Good comment bro
From the day i started i never understood why people complain about elo hell when they just need to get better to rank up
I think reaching lvl 10 faceit is very easy if you just focus on improving
Above level 10? Wtf
@@Joseph-ug7tl Level 10 doesn't stop there. The "real" level 10 games start above 3k ELO. That's because many skilled players who used to be LVL10 few years ago moved way past 2k ELO and LVL10 right now is what LVL7 used to be few years ago.
If this makes sense. It's because they need to rework the ranks and include something above like: LVL10 Gold, Platinum, Diamond, Master etc...
@@deyoviC lmao, i neever knew faceit added more levels.
@@Joseph-ug7tl Are you trolling or what's going on?
Guys REMEMBER: when he says your not in elo hell doesnt mean that theres nothing to do anymore and ur just trash, no, thats not how it is. It means theres ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT meaning better aim or better game sence. both easily practised so you can get that fancy rankup finally. you can train game sence just by playing more games and use ur brain while you play. doesnt mean you only learn if you win, if you use brain u learn either way.
you can train just raw aim by going aimbots, taking warmups always before you play comp, playing community dm. There are multiple popular training programs you can find by just searching videos from youtube or something, they are all good.
Personally my training includes small warmup in aimbotz, then few hours of community dm and that just everyday. at first communtiy dm is very hard atleast for me it was, but you will just need to play and it'll get better. sometimes i play aimlab but i think its not that great than just community dm, so its definately not a replacement for it csgo in game training (so if u dont know these weird names i talked about heres info: aimlab; a free steam app for training ur aim in fps games. aimbotz; a workshop map for csgo you can subscribe and then play (for free) to practise aim, you can find workshop from steam and sesrch for aimbotz training to find the map in the csgo part of workshop. community dm; deathmatch community servers you can find in community server browser in game. as a european i recommend retake and dm servers tagged brutalcs)
why this only 10 likes
Few hours?? You crazy to warm up like 100 is fine and to practice your aim doesnt tame a couple hours xD if you got decent aim 100 dm kills is like 10 minutes
@Sisu nice advice man
@Sisu maybe because of that way of thinking you are only on 2100 elo
@@musashival h a t e r s
i havent Exeprienced Elo Hell just yet (although i experienced silver hell but that doesnt count)
So the lesson i learnt here was "if you are hardstuck in a rank its usually your fault"
Exactly, if you want to rank up you gotta step up your game, practice your aim, crosshair placement, angles knowledge, movement, watch your demos, learn smokes / flashes, some specific tips and tricks on some maps, improve your mental attitude, your focus, your comms, your hardware / peripherals, your settings, your gamesense.. There's always something to improve
@@ra1lgunz268 too bad these are things that are beyond my control.
At least until i finish High school that is.
@@StarXsu90 I feel you. I have 4ms delay from my tv monitor, yes a 27 inch tv monitor. I've played with 200fps+ on my siblings pc and a 60hz monitor for 2 days the results are night and day for me.
In silver it can help to queue with a teamate you know is also dedicated to improving.
@@ra1lgunz268 lool me on 50fps but in LEM
Cries in inconsistency
People are commenting "nice vid" after 2 minutes bruh
HAHA
they know what's up
playing it in 3x speed smh
Someone said probably a nice video
I remember, a few years ago, I was watching some youtuber talk about League of Legends (can't remember, maybe it was Thorin, NEACE, Redmercy, or someone else) and he said something that stuck with me and I ended up applying to my actual life, it went something along the lines of:
"If you play a thousand matches and lose all of them, the only constant is YOU. You are the only one immutable variant in ALL of those games, and if YOU lose then maybe you're not as good as you think, maybe you belong right where you are"
Again, paraphrasing because I can't even remember whose video it was, but it erased any and all thoughts of an actual ELO Hell being real. You won't get that rank 10 (or whatever you strive for) if you yourself are not playing, consistently, like a rank 10. Even when your teammates suck, even when you're soloqueing against a full premade, the only way you'll BE it is if you either already are it or are willing to look at yourself in the mirror (or demo, whatever) and work on what's clearly wrong. To close, the one overly done tip every youtuber ever said that's actually useful: "Ask yourself not what your team didn't do but what you could've done different, better. And remember, you can't always win."
Yes, this is what players need to hear.
I think a good idea in relation to the elo hell series would be to play a demo of someone and pause at certain points of the demo explaining what opertunities the player missed, or his teammates missed.
And I don't just mean when he dies or get a kill, just mid round rotations, possible to bait for a teammate by making a step/shooting. Also showing how the enemy team reacts to a play the player does and how he can mix it up.
The series is already my favourite cs go series on youtube but giving the mid round stuff would be nice :P
Maybe better ways to use utilety to get map control as a solo player or duo. Like the one video you have on how to entry :)
I played and won 6 in a row yesterday and ranked up. Played one today with a person spinning in spawn all game, one person who naded us everytime the round started, and then eventually two rage quits so it was just me and the one person left who was a decent human being. Deranked after that one loss (albeit we certainly lost every round).
Unfortunately for people who solo Q, CS GO is a team game and round wins are what matters. Not fragging. You can have great gamesense, utility usage, and aim but never get out of silver if you don't have a consistent squad. Some people have time to grind all day, but for most of us we can't. It's the luck of the draw, but one can't complain because we know this when we hit search. That the teammates might be trolling/hacking/or whatever else.
It only feels like hell if you go in solo expecting to have a good time. This is the same with any game that requires true teamwork to win rounds.
EDIT: All I'm saying is teamwork and winning rounds is what matters.
wow
"You can have great gamesense, utility usage, and aim but never get out of silver if you don't have a consistent squad" so everyone above silver full stacks?
Gotta be honest. If you solo q but you have great aim and great gamesense,you can get out of silver. I think you cant get above mge tho.
If you have good aim you'll rank up, if you're stuck in silver then you don't have great aim simple as that
@@ra1lgunz268 Ya, I was able to get out of silver. It's a grind for sure but it can be done. I just had A LOT more success gaming with my squad and our games are always MUCH more organized. We can maximize each others potential.
"Friendzone isn't a thing, just like Elo Hell" - Wise words from mister xQc
I have a streak of 2-8 but I really enjoyed those games. Almost all were 25+ rounds and no obv cheaters at all. I must say this is, despite close losses, much more fun than the usual 5-5 where you either have no chance or completely destroy your opponent. I don't care about elo hell as long as it's entertaining
it would be great if you did a video on where you can have the most impact on each map
@Helal Vodka got any tips for Mirage? Playing with lower ranked friends, but we can easily coordinate together, fakes and splits might work well. What would be most impactful on lower ranks (silver - gold nova)?
@Helal Vodka thanks a lot. We would usually just go to the spots. Will try to go mid more and take window control. :)
voo, the Jordan Peterson of CS:GO
dude youre fighting an uphill battle here. there are people in the comments even now saying you cant get out of silver solo queue because its luck of the draw. that 20/20/60 rule is interesting though
I'm "the people"
I've learned a lot from voo and I agree with him. All I'm saying is in team games, in order to rank up consistently, you should have a team. Solo Q is luck of the draw and just because voo says it's split 20/20/60, doesn't mean that he is accurate with that assessment or that it is universal.
During this video I was thinking he was trying to kill the concept of his own serie by teaching people that they're not in elo hell. Luckily people don't listen and are still going to send their 40kills games for review
@@RyanJamesOfficial yeah, yeah you are. thats why i said its interesting. its interesting to think about it. of course it isnt something set in stone by an algorithm, its just a concept. one i havent thought about before. and after a certain point cs becomes pointless anyway unless youre in a organised team. because you just end up playing the same maps, same positions and grinding out the same shit round in round out to rank up. stopping you developing. but to believe you cant rank up because of luck is stupid. if you more skilled than your rank and you contribute more than everyone on your team on a game by game basis, on average you will rank up. it may be a grind. but it will happen. its like do you really think simple couldnt solocarry out of level 9 faceit to level 10? of course he could. may take a while and he will still have some losses but its an inevitability.
Dunno I dont think its luck of the draw. I went out of silver with just playing office and up to nova 3 from nova 1 playing other maps and no more office
@@cartoonking9735 Exactly
bro, my respect for the larry moment from impractical jokers
My problem is I feel like my aim is not good enough to hard carry games. If the team works together and communicates, games go well. If they don't and we are all playing individually, it falls apart. Angles aren't being watched, dying from the side etc. I can't just peek out and grab a kill. If the team works together, I can position myself for advantageous engagements, but if I overextend I always pay for it.
honestly, after watching this series ive made some serious gameplay changes in my pugs. I haven't lost a game in my past 10 games; thanks voo
when you have a kd of 1.2 in the last 4 months and still are only gn 2
As a cs 1.6 veteran i agree with everything you say in this video. The main issue that lower ranked players have is the mentality. When you go into a game you should ALLWAYS think that you can impact the game. Not even just by stats, but by everything else such as motivation and calling and just staying positive. Blame yourself for each loss and look at what YOU can do better. Sometimes you will get complete morons as teammates, but you can't change your teammates, and also this happens to EVERYONE not just you. You can however change how you react in those situations and don't tilt over it. Stop blaming teammates for losses, blame yourself, you can allways do more to increase the chances of winning. Eventually you will not only improve yourself, but also get better teammates.
It's simple, I win global matches with friends (they call me boosted but usually I'm top 3.
But then when you solo queue for once it really hits you that the rank you have been given really sucks. Now the game thinks I'm stupid and i should play with lv 2 people.
I can't play with those people, no one covers your ass, everyone baits you, people are trolling etc. So your level only goes lower and lower. If S1mple has 4 teammates that are useless I'm pretty sure he would lose all he's elo also. You cant attack solo or defend solo. They should make the system that if you carry games but lose you could still level up based on stats. Just taking the raw lose or win data is bullshit.
Find yourself 4 friends, and queue with 5. It's the only way to get on top of things.
And if you want to play solo? Don't. Simple as that, don't play cs if you don't have a team. You just cant work with people in lower levels you just can't.
when voo said if ur k/d and kill per round is above 0.8 u deserve a rank up
me: *laughs in 1.0 kill per round and a 1.61 kd in faceit level 5*
I remember like 2 years ago I dropped 61 kills in mm and lost like 11-16 or something
tf
Your team mates had 5 kills in total?
@@vintagejock3951 i can grab the match info tbh
4 videos before: ELO hell doesn't exist
This video: what is ELO hell
Are you joking right now?
Well if you listened, then basically the conclusion of the video is: ELO hell doesn't exists, but being unlucky for an extented amount of time is possible.
@@Luckyyshot no. From my experience ELO hell is having almost every game a team that forcebuys every single round, always push alone, always die, doesn't have a grasp on the concept of economy, can't for their life eco just once, buy 4 awps, don't use utility like ever, etc. etc. etc.
Stories from my Silver Elite Master ELO games
@@alexismandelias Well they have the knowledge that their rank reflect. I'm sure there's just as many factors you lack that they don't, and is the reason you're in that rank. Best general tip in life I can give you: Stop blaming others for your short comings.
@@Luckyyshot there are indeed areas I'm worse at, otherwise I may have climbed more easily. But saying ELO hell doesn't exist because most players are bad is severely underestimating the importance of a team. Yeah I can miss awp shots and let the enemy control long, yeah I rarely get anything in pistol rounds, yeah I do sometimes greed bad die for it, but that's completely different from having a general game sense and frantically trying to get the team to coordinate when the enemy team have a smurf with 160 adr that determines the game from the first 2 rounds
I love how this guy talks about dropping 42 kills and losing in ludicrous, try dropping high 40s low 50s consistently and still losing, thats fucking elo hell. Being in a game where the only rounds you win are rounds you ace, thats elo hell.
I had a game where I had 3 aces, 1 4v1, and 2 3v1's in a match as a silver 3. Guess who is still silver 3. Elo Hell exists. I don't much care for my rankup, because I feel like silver is just for casual shitters like myself anyway. However, when I dominate a lobby and drop high 30's low 40's nigh every game, I seriously question how the game determines my rank.
@@SkollTheWerewolf Game takes into account stupid shit like playing too often making it harder to rank up. When I play alot it typically takes around 20 wins in a row for a rank up. In contrast if i only play a few times in a month it may only take 5 games. How well I do doesnt seem to matter as people I play with still rank up from getting 5 kills a game.
@@CraterM Yeah ever since Valve rebalanced the rankings. I used to be gold nova 4, after the changes i instantly went down to silver 5. Then after not playing a loty rank reset to unranked, played again, and then I was silver 2. That's a heavy ass nerf lol
I'm in silver one and I commonly get 30 kills and 15-20 deaths, wondering if I'm in elo hell right now
just had 6 faceit wins, went from elo 850 to elo 1130, then right after this I have consecutive 6 losses. Did I run out of luck or something?
a lot of these videos are about faceit but in mm I go on constant 5-10 winstreaks and then lose a game or two at random times. my rank is still staying silver 2 even though I try my best to make impactful kills that affect the outcome of the game, and I think I do decently at it. I usually go anywhere from 3rd to 1st place on my team and I never bait my teammates, always use comms properly, never be toxic, and try to be just the example of a decent csgo player but I can never rank out. I think that in faceit this might not be a problem but in matchmaking it's really difficult to rankup.
And now, after 2 years?)
I like how I’m 17 games positive since reaching silver elite master with 1.4 kd and haven’t ranked up
In June I played 50 matches. I had averages of 1.7kd 0.92kpr and only won 18 games. I deranked from level 8 to level 4. Pls explain
I haven't really been in ELO Hell. When i play with a team that works well together I usually rank up easily. But a few months ago i started playing comp with some friends who were new in Silver. and I hadn't played too much before so my rank dropped to silver from losing rank after not playing for like a month. When we would play together i dropped probably 6 40 kill games in one week and the rest were high 20's - high 30's. and i would win most matches probably 7-8/10(I was a higher rank before hand like low MG). Yet i would rarely rank up. Now i rarely play and im stuck in silver cause im bad but still comp ranking is kinda busted. Those people who are clearly better than their ranks I feel get out of the ranks slowly as a solo or duo's. Not really ELO hell but would be very annoying for someone who wants a higher rank. People shouldn't be earning low amounts of elo when they consistently do very good just because their opponents are at a bit lower rank/ELO. They should be getting pushed up a bit faster so they can get to the rank they should be at.
the only reason i some items feel i’m in elo hell is because i can win 3/4 games back to back then rank up, then go into the next rank and have 1 guy on my team who is AFK the whole game, his friend who votes F2 on kicking because ‘he will be back’ then that angry russian who will rush B on his own because he apparently thinks he is pro. i will have 2/3 games like this back to back and lose them, i will be too fragging every time in games like this with around 25/30 frags and because i lost the games i derank again. it’s been like this for a month or two now but i can’t argue since i am solo q’ing. once i find some good guys that have the same goals as me, be it competitive and wanting to grind the ranks without being toxic and fucjing about, i’m sure at that point i’ll rank up for certain
i have 24avg kills 1.31kd 0.9kr and i never flame or be toxic against my teammates and do my best but however i still have %40 winrate and im stuck on level 6 :(
That's the same conclusion I came by some time ago
You will rank up eventually if you deserve, as long as you play constantly
The better I get the worse I feel I play. When I was LE I thought I was sooo good, now I'm lvl 10 and I think I'm dogshit boosted
i'm in the elo hell where i either die too fast to tell what i did wrong or i crush the enemy and don't learn anything anyway
referring to your 20/20/60 rule it's more polarized for me (maybe 25/25/50) and i think it's got something to do with the way i play but when i try to play differently i suck absolute ass
How do I see stats like in 0:45 ? I dont see the stats below players like that
You need level 10 for that.
Faczit extension
Faceit enhancer or faceit Premium
I was in elo hell for a year and half, now I'm finally on my way into a more suitable rank.
Hello there. I've thought that I am in ELO hell too - I was stuck on lvl6 like year. So I have decided to play every game on 100% and BEFORE starting games I have trained my aim about 1-2 hours. And you know what happened? I ranked from lvl6 to lvl10 in a month. I checked my KPR - its above 0.7 - so I think I did it right. I was playing solo btw
Jo could you coach me ?
Is Australia in ELO hell? Everyone on my friends list dropped from DMG/eagle, to around MG1 after the first rank bell curve adjustment. This felt like a fair rank for me and the many people I commonly play with, and was widely discussed and understood by the community as a necessary adjustment.
A few years later though, when other countries started reaching networking thresholds that allowed them to match make with eachother (and we didn't), we all dropped mysteriously even further down the rank pool, to high silver, mid nova ranks. MG2 is the highest rank I see in Aus. This is my whole friends list too, and I've maxed out my friends count on Steam.
I've been in and out of silver ranks in the last couple of years. I didn't even start in silver ranks back in 2013. I started at nova 3. It just feels filthy.
Voo don't you think elo hell can exist given MM's mysterious frag/score rewarding glicko-2 system? If you're constantly creating the most impact in your Games, but every loss or win you have, you don't get a lot of elo/glicko because you don't have a high score or high frags (thus getting a less percentage of the elo you just won) , so despite literally winning the team rounds, you aren't ranking up, but you deserve to rank up? This can't be a problem with faceit's system.
I know this system is a black box and you can't just make statements about it, but the general consensus seems that game and round wins count A LOT more than score
@@Icewaffel agreed, so it's not entirely sure what I'm saying will happen, but mm is also known for having really messed up ranks jumbled together, so there are popular cases of players just not being able to rank up, despite creating strong impact (fl0m's failed road to global series etc)
The problem with evaluating a game like this, especially by numbers and gameplay footage is that you don't account for all the unknowns. ELO hell doesn't exist and most of the time any type of skill placement or rank associated with a static numerical value will not accurately depict the actual skill of the player. Basically there's too many unknown variables even down to ping that effect most games like CS which is why you shouldn't worry about rank and worry about winning as many games as possible.
lvl 5 faceit and did not know that u can actualy have demos of faceit matches, can someone pls tell where to find them ?
download them, put the file in csgo demo folder, then go open csgo and shift + f2 and load the file from faceit
hey voo, i have a question.
so i started playing faceit way too early (gold nova 2/3) with friends who were infinitely better than me, and thus also higher in rank. i sucked and we lost a lot of games purely because i was a complete bot.
i stopped playing faceit and went back into matchmaking for about a year to play with a different group of friends. i started warming up, i watched smoke tutorials, learned good angles to hold from, etc etc etc. i did everything in my power to "get good".
i have 1800 hours at this game now (mm rank peak at le) and i would love to get back into playing faceit, but my friends are lvl 6 and i'm all the way down at lvl 1. i can't play with my friends seeing as we'd just get dunked on every game, but soloqueuing gives me a team of mad russian children with about 300 hours of playtime.
i can't play with my friends and face lvl 6 players because i'm not good enough for that, but i'm also 100% sure that i shouldn't be in lvl 1. i feel like my rank isn't something i myself can affect in any way really at this point.
does this qualify as elo hell?
At lvl 1 you can just hard carry yourself out lol. Drop 40+ every game and you will get you elo pretty quickly
True elo hell is when you can get accused of smurfing during most of your games. That tells you that you are most likely better than you should be
I will say that low MM ranks seem to be filled with a lot better players these days. But yeah you deserve the rank you have.
What if you feel like you are not better than your rank? How do you improve if you are just bad (s3) 850 hours
That 4th round on overpass was god awful, teammates are pushed up on A and can listen to the Ts, he rotates to B with no info and just goes down and up the stairs and is basically afk when his teammates needed him. Had flash and incendiary and never used it to help his teammates then probably whined that he killed 2 and can't kill everyone.
I was stuck in elo hell... Now i've ascended and things are looking well.
Hey can you do road to global on RUclips for some reason twitch doesn't work on android phones very well
Well, this is tough.
For me, personally, if the team is bad, I usually suck with whole team.
I usually don't play the most impact positions, and I don't even want to.
If I wanna get better on my positions, I can't change B anchor for playing mid or A, just because my team sucks.
If I did, I would probably suck, bcs it's not my position, plus I won't practice my positions as well...
so it became a how to tutorial by voo when this vid was suppose to be about elo hell
lare is straight sus. blood coming out when shots weren't hitting yet 42 kills makes sense now
Im pretty happy about solo qing i just got from start of lvl 3 to lvl 5 only by solo qing in 20 games
Elo hell is actually just being very lackluster in some area of skill in CS. I used to play support on a cs team back in 2016, and took a 4 year break, I have started playing against LEMS+ again. Unless I am on a team with people with good aim, there is simply nothing I can do against some of the prefires and flicks these guys hit, my consistency is just not there. But, I almost always have the most flashes hit, and I normally strat call and try to untilt my teammates. So, because of my aim duels being the biggest thing I am working on, I nearly always frag pretty low. :/ I would describe this as feeling like elo hell, especially if I try to solo que, as, once the coordination is gone, my communication abilities don't mean shit.
I think that what people are calling elo hell is actually the large number of games you need to play in order to get to your actual rank. The ranking system of faceit is very slow for the individual player since it looks at the outcome of the game only and not at the contribution of you as a player.
It is true that eventually a good impact player will rank up, it is just a very furstrating and slow process, due to the nature of the elo gain and loss of each game (when one game failure undo your success in a previous game, making you feel like you have wasted your time and hence the term "hell").
To get to your actual elo you need hundreds if not 1000+ games. The fact that most of the accounts of faceit that you encounter on the begginer levels are new, the variance of your team and enemy level is very large and as a result the variance of the outcome of your games. This is why imo to rank up from 3 to 4 if you are a level 5 player is harder and requires more gring then to rank of from 7 to 8 if you are a level 9 player. Strictly due to the large variance and big numbers rule.
Elo hell is when you are better than everyone in the game but u arent good enough to carry your team.
Losers queue is when you are constantly queued with people lower rank than u, with enemy team slightly lower rank than you but higher rank than ur team, thus u cant carry hard enough to win games
the timing
The problem with "Elo hell" players is that they're playing for rank more than to improve. If you just play to get better at the game instead of focusing on some arbitrary elo rating then you'll improve.
True
I don't care about elo hell, I just want to play a game that is actually winnable. I am silver 1 and queue with friends but the only few games we have won were ones where 1 or more opponents quit. Even when we are playing 5v4 we manage to lose because the 4 players on the opposing team hit 80%+ headshots, peek like the pros, and flashes don't seem to affect them. I hate silver
Would you please make a video about how to adapt to baiter gamers in low elos. be the entry frag and getting baited as T really annoys me.
People don’t understand some things about face it. Majority of the time people are out of their actual ranks. If that means they are lower or higher. So until you hit like lvl 7 it doesn’t get better. At one point I lost so much elo in mythic league that I dropped from 6 to lvl 2. So there I was way under where I feel completely comfortable with my skill level. Down the road of the grind to get back to at least leave 6. I ran into people who where complete bots. Fresh accounts. Or people who simply were smurfing. All that matters the outcome of the match you’re playing. On top of this all. People have bad and good games. You never know what you get when you queue.
Interesting series, but I suspect it might get repetitive pretty quickly.
On a side note, I'm annoyed that some people care about ranks so much. It's nice to have a goal, but I hate when someone is addicted in a negative way.
It's a game in the first place. Just a bunch of talented people get to play it professionally. I do think visible ranks are bad in many games. 1.6 didn't have ranks, skins, etc. But it was just as, if not more enjoyable.
I think one of the reasons for people believing in Elo hell is because CS:GO ranking system is absolute trash. Even with 80% winratio, it can take weeks to rank up (It took me 2 weeks with that winrate, playing 3-4 games a day, whereupon I immediately ranked down after 2 games that tied. It's not exacting motivating). It feels like an endless grind, with zero feedback until you eventually rank up or down, which can take a long long time. CS:GO should have taken a few pointers from it's own company's sister esport game Dota 2 (Not that people don't complain about elo hell there as well, but the ranking system is at least a lot more transparent).
God damn, I should send my games to this guy bc when I look at my stats, I have more than 1 kill per round on avg and a positive kd
When I play cs go again ... I play a lot and all soloq. People who play less do better in ELO people who party do better in ELO. I don't cheat but at some point I just end up with a lot of toxic teammates and cheaters. Then I quit again.
12 years into playing cs ... still hating it.
Elo hell's existence is debatable on faceit tbh
I managed to get global Insight 2k hours, juste starting faceit, I'm lvl 4/5 with 1.40 KD and I can't win consistently, despite having a good mindset, absolutely not being toxic, etc
sure
1600 games in Faceit and I’m back to lvl 1 after a 20+ game loss streak. When I play with higher lvl people I do much better, even won a couple of those lvl 7+ tourneys. Then.. it’s like Faceit says “NOPE, down you go” and the losing starts. After 4-5 losses in a row, playing against super human robots who never miss a 1 tap on me, my attitude changes, play style changes, and it’s a domino effect. You’d expect there to be some games where I’d just get carried out of the slump, but no... doesn’t happen. Faceit constantly stacks teams against me, I’ll get in games where it’s a -35 elo for me and get completely rolled. Again, and again, and again, and again. Current sitting at 600 ELO, finally won one last night, then lost two more. 😞 that’s ELO hell. *throws comp out window
Lvl 3 and below is a shit show, especially late night, lvl 1,2 with 2.0+ kd, less than 100 matches played and Chinese writing in their names. I’ve given up before the map is chosen
20/20/60 rule is a far greater misconception than Elo Hell existence. As far as I know, it is not backed up by any proper study, I suspect that it just started by a pure guess of some professional player. On lower ranks, the issue is pretty simple - to greatly increase your chance of winning you have to be able to hard carry some of the rounds by winning many strictly mechanical aim duels. Elo Hell means exactly that games are very chaotic and low-quality and many gamers are unable to accomodate to that environment.
Hah i like how in mm i sometimes lost 20 games in a row or win 20 games in a row. I dont rankup even tho im not rly carrying my team but at the same time im not feeding just in the middle. Meanwhile in valorant losing 2-3 games guarantee derank
MM is big fucked, I have gone on 30+ win streaks with 5qs and had no one rank up, a couple losses later and we derank. Eventually you just gotta give up.
i dont understand this kd and kill flexing all the time i went from 600 elo to 2000 elo in about 250 matches with 15 average kills and barely a 1.0 kd
Then you got lucky with good teammates lol. 15avg ist pretty bad. But no offense:D
@@lukast.4254 i know that 15 avg is bad thats the whole point. and you think i got lucky for 250 games in a row? whenever i didnt play on 2k+ elo i was smurfing i had 15 average from like lvl 6 until i hit lvl 10 and i constantly got higher elo but my stats stayed the same looks like a weird coincidence and not improvement right
Perfectly said, 20/20/60 rule is so true.
Most people won't fix their base/fundamentals, so they eventually get stuck.
this is very true
Lvl 4 kd 1.17 kr 0.75 😰 always reaching lvl 5 close to 6 solo and than I have the intention to say that I miss good mates to win the games. A friend says that it is my mindset that I have to change. Than I would easily play lvl 7 to 8
1:36 😂 LAARREYYY
I have a very good game sense I guess but aim is still a bit rusty. I will search for a team as MM always give me players with no game sense at all ...
my mans watch impractical jokers, u got a like from me
There are different metas tho, and if you have experience playing a different meta, then you can be psychologically stuck in the annoyance instead of adapting to the way the game is played at different levels. I will give an example that people might understand: If you are an academic who uses complex language in your work at a high abstraction level, then you will have a hard time communicating in youtube comments if you try to use concepts and words that people dont understand or dont have the time to look up, so you have to adapt to the youtube comments in order to get a point across. One is not necessarily smarter than the other .. there is just different lingo and different norms. Generally, people stick to their elo, but some people are creative soules and look past the norms, conventions, metacommunications, fashions etc.
Bro I got an ad for xCheat pro. Bruh youtube knows the people watching elo hell videos.
Just trying to follow what you've said between videos, in your first video of the series you stated "ELO Hell doesn't exist", and here you made a comment "ELO Hell is..." and explained where you believe it does exist. Are you revising yourself with this or have you just been reluctant to acknowledge it?
I’m level 9 Faceit 26 avg kills past 20 games and I only have a 35% win rate
I actually am in elo hell when I play with low rank teammates I get top frag and lose way more than I should win when I get higher rank teammates I actually do decent and middle frag most of the time and win more games then I lose the problem is I'm in a low rank which means I have to play with low rank teammates
Elo hell can exist, but its super rare, in about 5k games i've played of CSGO there is only 25 matches where i thought i was in elo hell and it was when i went 1-24 from those 25 matches i remember carrying most of those, stopped playing cause of that and now im the one who is the reason why people think they are in elo hell lol
Tbf kd isn't everything. I have a 1.33kd lvl 5 and feel I'm around the right rank. Sometimes I feel I'm better but when I queue in a hub lvl 5-8 I really see how much better tactically the higher ranks are even if your aim is better than your rank you might still deserve it
good mentality my friend you will rank up soon
My problem is I think I'm better than I am and I get frustrated when I make a mistake.
Now that I remember the last 5 games I've played in cs I had between 43 and 52 kills per game and lost every one of them and def did not rank up , getting a new acc and trying to rank up on it is way easier it seems
what rank
@@Max-yp1iw gn4 or gnm . While on the second account I got to mg2 easily
Same, my main acc is SEM and my smurf is GNM and i was in MG but had a lil loss streak, MM is NOT the place to play competitive csgo, at best its a laughingstock of a queue and anyone who cares about MM rank is smoking crack
Just sucks that valve wont do anything to fix all the broken ass issues (had 2 games today where we kicked someone due to griefing (threw HE in a choke with teammates multiple times, sprinted when everyone was walking, etc)) MM is a joke and nobody who takes cs serious should ever even touch it, literally just a place where talent goes to die
@@minneman9137 I see , I have tried faceit and it was good but I guess it's just that when I started playing I wanted to be GE , so if I come back I could play anything but MM till I'm way better and then play mm and carry everyone to GE lol
phewww. I thought i was in elo hell, Turns out i just need to play more :P
I dont understand why those players say they are in "elo hell".... Iam lvl 8 with 24 avg kills / 0.9 k/r / 1.34 kd and I still don't say I'm in elo hell. Because I loose many games where I feel i could have played it just a tiny touch better so we would have won them.
This video title represents my win/loss ratio
ZywOo kills / round 0.80
s1mple kills / round 0.85
elo hell confirmed
everybody claiming to be in elo hell should play a couple of games in a lobby with the rank they think they deserve and most of them will see how bad they actually are
Me having 1.5 kd and 1.4 fpr in LEM: "I probably deserve the rank, yes yes"
I dont get it... my friends dont want to play with my main, cause they're afraid i'll lose my rank... but i dont really care, if i deserve my rank, i'll get it back.
Late to the party , but you are a bit wrong with the 20/20/60 mate . You don't account for solo queueing. Because as a solo queue you face other solo queuers PLUS teams of 5.
I am now more confused.. thanks
Really glad to see the mathematical reality around Elo Hell acknowledged. Definitely some people get unlucky and take more games for their rank to converge (some rare cases may never converge at all, maybe) but most people that claim "Elo hell" are just overestimating themselves.
You know what boys, i don't need a girlfriend, cause toxic teammates in MM fuck me everyday. A 40 bomb in 25 rounds and they still insult me if i get 4 kills in a clutch and but don't have time to defuse. I hate soloQ-ing in Silver cause when you go down, the round is pretty much gone. People are extremely stupid, like dry peeking awpers, leaving sites for no apparent reasons and having to rotate a long ass way cause they lost it, force buying awp on eco. And i just feel helpless. Even when i try my best, top fragging with a distance of at least 7 kills, playing objective,making round-impacting plays, defending sites, delaying rushes, calling out, isolating angles, using nades, winning aim duels and doing massive damage to the other teams, they still manage to lose rounds after I go down. I need help and a team :'(