I played Progear at 5 frames with a big smile on my face 😬 haha. Just as a side note, the Switch did have some games running around 3 frames although it's not common. Ikaruga is one and the games on the M2 Aleste collection were another. That was using a Joycon though which is the fastest response as you know. The universal board, interestingly enough, I tested in my Switch controllers video a while back has identical results both wired and wireless. I can't say why, but I get identical results no matter how often I test it both ways. It also tests at 1 frame slower than a Joycon, so testing with a universal board will normally give you a result a frame higher than with the Joycon. It was good seeing this though and thank for you the shout out. I only played Progear for the first time ever on this collection so I have no point of reference aside from really enjoying it. It felt a lot like Deathsmiles to me, in that the difficulty was as fair as Cave gets and a lot of less skilled bullet hell players can still enjoy it. I'll be playing it more for sure.
Yeah isn t switch lag testing delightful ha. I decided to use the brooks board Because it s very fast and my wireless set up was actually giving slower results for some reason :-) I m looking forward to see what the ps4 results look like! Other than that though I was impressed by the features the collection included :-)
@@philmason9653 I have 2 of the zerodiv releases and after hearing more about the input lag and how lazy those ports are and how nothing has been added in re-releases decided not get any more. Especially with much better switch shmup ports available. Still will play the games I already bought. At least they got the rotation right for flip grip.
Literally never heard of Progear until I bought this collection and absolutely love it, if the other Cave shmups are as good as this I really want them!
It's a really Caveish game bc they really do like putting romance related mechanics into their shmups, and Cave's bullet hell design loves trapping you up just like this one does.
@@TheCyandic I must really look at getting ESP ra de then I think it's the only other cave title on switch? bit on the pricey side but these games really should be preserved
Devils Engine, Rolling Gunner, Natsuki Chronicle, Progear, & the upcoming R- Type Final 2, proves I was wrong believing a few yrs ago, that side- scrolling shmups or "shooters" as its supposed to be called, is not on the way out, & destined to be relics of the past. I know the genre will never dominate like it did back in the day, & thats fine. Im just glad we are getting a steady stream of what I cut my gaming teeth on, here in 2021. Kudos to you, & all the "shooter" loving channels & sites that covers them : )
R-Type Dimensions includes the fast forward feature as well. Really good for those dead air moments as you said. With this thing, I find the pace of R-Type II perfect, elevating the already great game even further. I haven't seen it in more releases either, but especially classic re-releases should include it for sure. Rewind and slow mo as well, great for practice!
Its a shame about the lag. Im still at a pretty beginner level of skill at these games and practicing to get better with the help of your videos, so unless its lag thats as bad as the Sega Genesis Classics collection on switch it goes pretty unnoticed to me. Hopefully I get to the level where I do notice eventually. Ive played progear on original hardware and its become one of my favorites since then. I havent been able to play it since the arcades closed last year due to the virus and Ive had so much trouble trying to emulate it, I had just given up hope on ever playing it again so Im definitely glad its on console in some capacity. Thanks for the awesome videos!
When I got my Steam Deck and started popping about to find new shmups to play this was a gold mine: 1944, 19XX, Progear AND Giga Wing? With save states and a universal leaderboard? What a time to be alive
I *really* like the art in this game. Perfect review, thanks a lot man. I would love to see if the rumored "Switch Pro" will reduce some of the input lag of these titles.
My first shmup that I ever completed and on one continue:) Had to use savestates and +800 tries tho🤣 Can’t wait to try more Cave shmups on Switch, this one really ‘clicked’ for me!
I love that someone is FINALLY and definitively calling out the Switch for being laggy as hell no matter what. Every time I bring this up in the shmups community (or to most people in general) about the console being laggy as hell, everyone flips out and says I'm just being mean or "who cares about input lag" and it boils my blood. Great analysis overall. Even though Shmup Junkie annoys the crap out of me, his videos do have good content buried in there under all his theatrics and cringe humor/writing, so I'm interested to see his breakdown of the collection tomorrow.
You should listen to this episode of the podcast where he and I talk about this input lag issue ha. The backstory is that I wrote a review pointing out the lag issues of the psikyo collection on the switch when I worked for nintendo life and there was a massive backlash, then your boy got the boot a few weeks later. ruclips.net/video/UWDZSv5s66g/видео.html
I love Ghost n' Goblins and when I played the Capcom Arcade Stadium version I felt something was off... That is how I found your video. Only one minute in but I think I might, most defiantly, subscribe if you are about to get into what I think your getting into.
I still lament the lack of replays. But for the price it offers compared to its ilk, Capcom's offering is good. 32 save states compared to the abysmal 0!
Yeah that's a shame there are no replays :-( Still though, much more solid release than I was expecting, good stuff capcom it felt like they took care with this one.
Running RetroArch on Switch?! I never thought of that! My PSP is still one of my favorite portable devices, maybe that will change some day... Anyway, good idea adding that for the comparison of lag on Switch. I am so curious where this lag comes from but I will get all three packs for the Arcade Stadium anyway. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge!
Thx for the review. Hopefully if there is Playstation/PC port, the lag will be less. I've been dying to play an official port of Progear, one of my fav shmups of all time.
I approach these arcade ports as switch games and not so much as the real arcade experience and with this mentality I can not feel too sorry about the two frames added by the hardware switch because basically I don't expect true arcade performance. For this reason I've been playing with it for hours and hours (with hori Rap V which I think has one frame less anyway?) And I'm very happy with this release. Climbing the charts is an orgasm. I am consoled to think, however, that maybe a new switch revision (if it ever happens) can solve the basic problem of the two added frames because it would be a general benefit.
Oh that's great you are playing the leaderboards! Yes, I am really hoping a new switch revision addresses and fixes the lag issues of the console, that would be fantastic! For now my mentality is that I play the switch 98% of the time as a handheld and if I want to play the games in a console format I go with my ps4 or PC :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground I make 50 percent use of it between handheld and home console. Every now and then I have a few minutes off at work and there is nothing better than playing progear, gigawing and 19something :). Let's hope for a revision because switch would become the ultimate retrogaming console if they solve the frame problem
Thanks my dude! I tried my best in those reviews to convey some solid philosophy of the features I value and all that good stuff, but I figured it would be short lived since I was constantly pushing on their audience with my reviews and all that sort of thing ha. If the channel continues to grow I plan to enter the written review space again and compete with NL as a publication of my own.
Great video. Did you see how Studio Mudprints were hit with a copyright claim by Capcom? Regarding input lag, data is king. I play my “key” shmups on my 360, and decided to go with Switch for new, physical releases. For example, I have Ikaruga on DC, 360, and Switch. I’ll play DC on my CRT and possibly use the 360, but the Switch is portable. I decided to get the Aleste collection on Switch mainly due to its Game Gear type portability. My problem with my PS4 is that for some reason I don’t trust it. It’s EOL now and physical media seems to be on the way out. But perhaps I’m being an idiot, buying physical for a handheld? I just see less value in digital. I should probably just get over it and Switch (haha) over to PS4, but I do love my flip grip! I have cotton on the way for Switch, again, but perhaps I should move over to PS4 for future STG releases.
Oh I saw the post from mudprints. Capcom is crazy. My fav was when they copyright claimed their own replays from the ps3 with street fighter 4 ha. Yes, I would recommend swapping over to the ps4 personally. The good news is that there are all the shot trigger releases on there waiting for you :-)
Brooks also released a Switch dock called the Power Bay. It claims to reduce lag of controllers hooked up to it but I don't have a way of testing that. It is pretty cute as it is a mini-Gamecube that the Switch sits on.
Sweet video thanks. I spent hours trying to get Progear to work on MAME and FBA on an RGH Xbox 360 without success, so for $20 this release is a good outcome for me. Sure, I’d prefer low lag but my skill level and resulting perception of lag doesn’t exist yet so I will just blissfully enjoy the game as is. For now anyway. 😐
Lo jugué y es muy bueno. progear son desos juegos que te mantienen todo el rato entretenido, y no hay duda de que es uno de los mejores juegos de Capcom.
I'm still on the fence with buying this collection. Everyone on the shmups forum was complaining about 'stuttering' but your review made no mention of it. Care to comment on that? I'd be playing on a Blast City with tendak HDMI>VGA converter and brook zero pi pcb for controls -- Crimzon Clover runs great on my setup. Thanks!
Oh so the stuttering is the weird way it does slowdown, I don't think it's a big deal honestly, at least the slowdown is there and works ha. For me I'd say that the collection itself seems pretty solid, but i'd recommend waiting for the ps4 or pc version to drop :-) Unless you want to play it in handheld mode on the switch
I enjoyed the first two stages of Progears but it just gets way to hard on the third stage for me 😅 I'l go back to Thunderforce for my Hori shmups 😁 I like the 16:9 option when I play on a CRT Monitor It'll fill up the entire screen 😀
@@TheElectricUnderground oh yhaa that's a very good option for guys like me 😅 Talking about hori shmups that Cotton remake is out!! I'm quit fond of colorful Japanese games 😁
Hi, thank you very much for the review! Did you tested or played Progear and the other games of the Capcom Arcade Stadium on Ps4 and Xbox One? I was curious if and how much input lag has improved over Switch release... I'd like a comparison Switch vs Ps4 or Xbox One
Excellent video ! I am a switch player ( and mame and xbox360 now ) . And i got to say that 5 frame is the limit for me to . Esprade is OK, i think crimzonclover is the same level . I only feel disapointed with psykio game. So i will try this capcom maybe , with gigawing to
@@TheElectricUnderground god damned ... thank you for warning. I just get progear and gigawind on mame instead and it works really fine . The lag seems to be better than on my switch for shumps on it . I save my money on this
That eternally rumoured Switch Pro probably got knocked into next year with the Breath of the Wild 2 delay. But still praying it'll come along and fix these input delay issues.
@@seanmcbay They launched the Wii, Switch & Switch Lite alongside a Zelda title. They were successful. They launched the 3DS & Wii U without, their launches didn't go so well. I think Nintendo's learned their lesson that Zelda's the thing they need on shelves to get the hard core early adopter crowd to show up. That's why I tend to think that if the Pro is real, its launch will be tied to BotW 2.
Loved the detail on display options, but could I request one added feature for future reviews? Would be great to confirm in one sentence whether these retro ports include a scanlines option. Just for the record. It’s fair to say that arcade 480p graphics without scanlines are not displaying as originally intended by the devs.
Oh that is a good question! So from what I can tell visually it does seem like the slowdown is present and acting like it's supposed to. However, I'm not as familiar with Progear's slowdown as I am with something like DDP, so it's a little hard for me to tell, but it does seem like the slowdown is acting like its supposed to.
@@TheElectricUndergroundSo you argue if this elitest group do it, then its not cheating? Some athletes also think we should open the door to all performance enhancing drugs... I am sure these record holders do like cheating because it makes their game easier.
I've been wondering if this video was ever made, and it turns out it was! I even watched it and dropped it a like before, but I don't recall anything about it. Oh well, watched it again, thanks for the great review! I've heard there's some jank with the autofire though, which would be a pretty nasty issue. I'm not too sure on the details myself, since I've never played Progear. Are you able to verify this?
So, if my understanding is correct, you can try and tweak your Switch to remove frames via runahead but still the computational power required to emulate all those parallel instances of the game logic is going to still add frames of lag. That's pretty much what happens when you try and use runahead on low power devices, which I guess the Switch can be considered to be at this point. On a positive note, it just means that the dreaded input lag is going to be pretty much a non problem pretty soon (and it is already, with a very powerful PC, as you showed with the 360 emulation review). I guess we will see what happens with games targeting the current gen consoles.
Not quiet. So the switch does have the cpu power to render the run ahead in one frame, but something within the OS or hardware is adding 2 extra frames of lag. What that is I m not totally sure but I am making a video exploring it here very soon
If retroarch allows you to play with a guaranteed 1 frame of lag on a computer and the most responsive console port tops at 4, emulation has a massive point over paid for rereleases.
So I checked this out actually (gonna do a whole video on this soon) and it turned out that the handheld lag was the same as the lag I showed in the video because of the display of the handheld. It's kinda complicated but it goes like this - playing in handheld removes the docked control lag, but introduces display lag. Playing on dock into a CRT removes the display lag, but introduces control lag ha. So if you are playing on handheld it will be better than playing on a lcd tv, but will be the same if you play your switch on a CRT.
Hey Mark, hope you see this. Do you have any video or opinion on the Sega Genesis Collection on PS4? Just got this bad boy on sale yesterday mostly because of Alien Soldier & Gunstar Heroes & some others. Tested Gunstar Heroes today and immediately noticed that the character begin to jump like very after I press the button. Since I’ve never played Gunstar Heroes before, I don’t know if this is actually normal for this game or there’s something wrong. Can you give me any piece of advice? It does not feel great to play this game I’ll tell you that. Don’t know if the game is shit or the port that is bad. I really don’t mind like a tiny bit of extra input lag compared to the original version, that’s okay, but much more lag that’s another story. Thanks buddy.
Oh yeah I'm a big fan of progear! Unfortunately my written reviews for Nintendo life will be no more as I got the boot, but I will do my own written reviews once the channel grows more :-)
What do you think about capcom censorring the E Honda stage by removing the sun in the background? It bothers my and I want to buy this collection but ........I really dont like the censor because it feel not authentic anymore. What do you think??😊
I think it is really dumb to censor it, absolutely. Honda is all about the rising sun flag, it's part of his character. This kind of crap is getting out of hand.
They just look pretty and have a nice assortment of scanlines. I personally prefer light scanlines which aren't as common, but type B scanlines in this release look great!
When is Nintendo going to stop focusing on gimmicks and just making good consoles? Their last normal (and I would say good) console was the GameCube (which is also one of the best-looking consoles ever made, at least for my preferences). That was almost 20 years ago. I'm actually shocked that there isn't a version of the Switch that is just a normal (and cheaper) console yet, considering that less than three years after the 3DS was released, the 2DS was already a thing and that was the 3DS without the gimmick. I was predicting that the Switch would have a similar version (the Nintendo Switchless), and I assumed that it already existed, but I guess not. I hope they do it at some point and that it's less laggy. It would also solve the problem of the tablet thing sticking out of the dock to the point that some of the screen is unprotected, which drives me insane. Looks so wrong, like the tablet and the dock weren't made for each other and you got the wrong model of one of them. Bothers me way more than it probably should. The whole thing looks like a bad idea in general, especially coming from the company that had just made a portable system that scratches its own screen when it's closed (I have a 3DS, and it looks awful, while my PSP looks perfect). Just think a little more, Nintendo. And test things before selling them. Make the Nintendo GameCube 2. Or Nintendo Cubed (Nintendo³). Eventually, in the distant future, the Nintendo 128, the first 128-bit console (unless Atari comes back and makes the Atari Liger), so they can tell my skeleton to do the math.
yes I miss the cube days of the nintendo brand, one of my favorite consoles. I honestly don't know what nintendo is going to do moving forward, except focus on handhelds I guess (which is essentially what the switch is). I was really hoping sony were going to release a follow up to the vita at some point, but it looks like they have given up on handhelds sadly. Switch is a definite improvement over the wii series, but when it comes down to it the performance issues really hold it back as a console.
@@TheElectricUnderground The Switch is kind of a combination of home and portable consoles. I see that as kind of a defeat for Nintendo too. They used to do both successfully. Now they have all of their eggs in one basket. If they keep doing things this way and they make another huge mistake like the Wii U, it will be much worse because there will be no 3DS there to save them. They had two chances to get something right every generation, but with this business model, they only have one. Experimenting with gimmicks that they will never perfect will be a lot more dangerous now. When you only have one chance, you have to be more conservative. Sony giving up on handhelds does make more sense, though, because they were never all that successful anyway. Still, more competition is always good. I don't regret buying my PSP at all. It was dirt cheap (and I bet that the Vita can be pretty cheap too, so I may end up getting one eventually) and it works well, and I could even use it to play PS1 games. And it had its own version of some PS1 games that were worth playing, like the second Star Ocean (with less annoying voices) and Final Fantasy Tactics (with the Dark Knight and Onion Knight classes and some extra characters like Balthier from FF12 and Luso from Tactics A2, but with slowdown issues, except that I patched that problem away so not really). No complaints there. Except that the plastic has a mirror finish. I don't like that in most places, but it's especially bad on anything portable. It always looks dirty unless you clean it very well and then keep it in your closet and never touch it.
@@TheElectricUnderground They did change the character art in Star Ocean, though. That's the bad thing about that version. They made it generic. Kinda like how Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow switches to a really generic style while Aria of Sorrow had that distinct Castlevania look.
@@seanmcbay My point there is that Nintendo used to make two separate systems. One portable and one home console. Two chances for disaster, but also two chances for success (and they always got the portables right, because they didn't do anything too crazy with them). Back in the mid 2000s, they had the Wii and the DS at the same time, both very successful. Now Nintendo only has one system and one chance. They basically gave up on dedicated home consoles. That's the defeat that I'm talking about. It's not about the Switch being a failure, it's about them making huge mistakes and giving up on their previous business model. If they keep doing this, they better not mess up because they only have one chance now. When the Wii U failed, they still had the 3DS to save them. If they keep making only one system, crazy gimmicks will be a lot riskier than they were in the past.
Hi Dominik! I've been trying out streaming on RUclips more these days, but I still bust out twitch grind streams when I wanna just attack a big goal over and over ha.
@@TheElectricUnderground Thanks for answering! Well, i follow your great videos/streams anyway. on yt or twitch, doesn’t matter too much. thank you for everything:)
I like Shoot em' ups cause 19XX the war against Destiny and 1944 The loop Master i wanna play them for fun causally i just wanna shoot planes and plane carriers casually and i wanna have harmless fun playing my favorite shoot em' ups 19XX the war against Destiny and 1944 The loop Master
Now Loop master on arcade stadium is on my favorites list it's the best game on par with 19XX i adore the soundtrack of loop master and it's visuals in summary i just adore/obsess over loop master
Save states were essential for me to "get" Castlevania: Rondo of Blood's gameplay mechanics. Otherwise I'd be slogging through the same level over and over, spending 10 minutes of mundane work for 1 minute of improvement.
The stuttering and fps drops (seems like frame skipping ) is driving me crazy. They add all these bells and whistles; but at the end of the day I just want a good emulation. No wonder Chinese devices still sell. If they don't fix this soon; I'm going to get an At Games legends arcade Core and stop buying these compilations.
@@TheElectricUnderground I'm thinking the arcade front end (which apparently uses the RE Engine) still runs in the background; even if you turn it off and it may be an issue with the way the wi fi is set up to constantly search and send date (even if it is off). The wi-fi issues caused the same kind of choppy stuttering in the Capcom arcade arcade sticks they released last year (with the built in games). They did eventual patch and fix the issues; but I hope they do the same here. Kind of tired of buying their collections that always has some features missing or issue in emulation. While I could just buy any of the hundreds of emulation devices out there in the market; or come up with some makeshift solution on my own; I really just want these games to be officially preserved on the Switch at the best possible quality; as it is such a versatile console.
@@TheElectricUnderground Hey man, really appreciate the reply. I went ahead and bought the shmup package anyway, since a lot of these games predate my exposure to the genre. Hell, 1943: Battle of Midway is older than I am! And still holds up surprisingly well imo for such an old game. I was really impressed. 5 frames of lag isn't the best, especially knowing that my docked setup is probably going to add another frame or two, but I can deal with it and mostly play on handheld anyway. All those extras are nice too.
@@TheSamuraiGoomba It really is a valuable collection! Who cares about the frames anyway? I mean it! This isn't Street Fighter! It's not like you can cancel moves or entire animations via response, just have fun! No one gives two twisted damns who the "best" is at ProGear anyway! Will you be playing 19XX at EVO? Nope! xD
Please compare input lag between PS4 and PS4 games on PS5. Maybe the PS4 version of Capcom Arcade Stadium would be a good opportunity. Or use ESP Ra.De.
Do you by chance, or anyone for that matter know of a game pad that would be great for shmups for the Switchlite specifically? I think the pad in the video would only work for a proper switch with a dock. Thinking I won’t have much luck.
Hmm, so actually there’s a usb hub from Hori that I can plug controllers in, that may be my ticket! I’m reading a lot about how the bitdo m30 controller has felt really precise for shmups on the switch with a usb connection. The hub is only 20 bucks I believe, and the controller 30. Thanks for mentioning the Hori brand!
we will never know ha. I was never spoken to or anything, they just stopped contacting me. I can only suspect that my reviews were too niche for their taste as they were always messing around with my scores and cutting out my more pointed remarks ha. They just want warmed over 8/10 reviews to be honest.
My main concern with the Capcom arcade stadium was more dropped frames and stuttering after seeing it on the included 1942 game. Maybe from the fancy UI and 3d arcade models. How does that fare in progear? Does it always look smooth?
It depends on each game (I gotta go through and update arch this week, the core has been going through a lot of changes), but I believe progear is 2 frames of run ahead. Maybe 3? I'll go through and config it just right on the next arch version coming out.
@@TheElectricUnderground on ShmupArch is the runahead set up individually per game? Do you have a video on how to setup RetroArch for best performance?
¡Yo también escuché eso! Definitivamente estoy ansioso por recogerlo en PC o PS4, creo que serán mejores que Switch debido al retraso. Lo siento si esto se lee extraño, se utilizó el traductor de Google.
Ok Sega lets see u make an arcade collection be nice 2 see Shinobi Shadow Dancer After Burner Rad Mobile Segasonic the arcade game Virtua Racing Virtua Fighter Virtua Cop The House of the Dead Crazy Taxi 18 Wheeler Fighting Vipers Space Harrier Planet Harrier Sub Roc Supper Zaxxon Super Hang On Turbo Congo Bongo Outrun Outrunners Turbo Outrun Buck Roger's Planet of Zoom Thunderforce AC Fantasy Zone Pengo Time Traveler Altered Beast Golden Axe Michael Jackson's Moonwalker Power Drift Alien Storm Alien Syndrome thanks Sega ! ♡
I'd imagine a undocked switch with connected joycon would have least possible lag. Since that would use internal screen instead of an external potentially adding lag as well as connected controller with no wireless signal adding lag and may be better than even USB. But that's just a guess. Look forward to more analysis.
I've got the Capcom Home Arcade, and I'd be really interested to see how well these new ROMs stack up against the ones on the CHA. It'd also be interesting to see what latency you get using this new collection on the switch with an arcade stick as compared with the CHA.
@@TheElectricUnderground It sometimes goes on sale for under €100 (I'm from Europe). I got mine last year off Amazon and I couldn't believe they were that cheap when compared to what they were originally. The stick itself is a steal for the price, and you can easily mod it to be an arcade stick for the Switch. Maybe try grabbing one whenever the price goes down again?
They are actually around. They're just not very common, at least not in the West (seriously, go to Japan and you will be in arcade heaven). But, I know of at least a couple places to play arcade games. One is an unapologetic retro arcade, and the other is a "fun park" type place where there are all sorts of games to entertain people (mostly aimed at children). Both are about an hour's drive away (give or take) from me in different directions, mind you, but it's worth going. The only uncertainty is whether they survived the veritable business nuke that is the pandemic. It will be interesting to see what survived in the coming months.
I played Progear at 5 frames with a big smile on my face 😬 haha. Just as a side note, the Switch did have some games running around 3 frames although it's not common. Ikaruga is one and the games on the M2 Aleste collection were another. That was using a Joycon though which is the fastest response as you know. The universal board, interestingly enough, I tested in my Switch controllers video a while back has identical results both wired and wireless. I can't say why, but I get identical results no matter how often I test it both ways. It also tests at 1 frame slower than a Joycon, so testing with a universal board will normally give you a result a frame higher than with the Joycon. It was good seeing this though and thank for you the shout out. I only played Progear for the first time ever on this collection so I have no point of reference aside from really enjoying it. It felt a lot like Deathsmiles to me, in that the difficulty was as fair as Cave gets and a lot of less skilled bullet hell players can still enjoy it. I'll be playing it more for sure.
Yeah isn t switch lag testing delightful ha. I decided to use the brooks board Because it s very fast and my wireless set up was actually giving slower results for some reason :-) I m looking forward to see what the ps4 results look like! Other than that though I was impressed by the features the collection included :-)
5 frames of lag? Good christ. 🤢
@@jwhipp I think the ps4 / pc version will have lower lag, so fingers crossed for when those drop
I'm still out here playing Gunbird 2 on Switch *like a rebel.* (That said though, I do wish it responded a little quicker).
@@philmason9653 I have 2 of the zerodiv releases and after hearing more about the input lag and how lazy those ports are and how nothing has been added in re-releases decided not get any more. Especially with much better switch shmup ports available. Still will play the games I already bought. At least they got the rotation right for flip grip.
I'm just going to throw it out there that I _really_ appreciate your in-depth lag testing. Thank you.
I m really glad to hear that!
Literally never heard of Progear until I bought this collection and absolutely love it, if the other Cave shmups are as good as this I really want them!
It's a really Caveish game bc they really do like putting romance related mechanics into their shmups, and Cave's bullet hell design loves trapping you up just like this one does.
@@TheCyandic I must really look at getting ESP ra de then I think it's the only other cave title on switch? bit on the pricey side but these games really should be preserved
Devils Engine, Rolling Gunner, Natsuki Chronicle, Progear, & the upcoming R- Type Final 2, proves I was wrong believing a few yrs ago, that side- scrolling shmups or "shooters" as its supposed to be called, is not on the way out, & destined to be relics of the past. I know the genre will never dominate like it did back in the day, & thats fine. Im just glad we are getting a steady stream of what I cut my gaming teeth on, here in 2021. Kudos to you, & all the "shooter" loving channels & sites that covers them : )
Yeah this year has had a bunch of releases already!
Would love to see Capcom shmup collections - with games from this + Cannon Spike, Mars Matrix & Giga Wings 2
R-Type Dimensions includes the fast forward feature as well. Really good for those dead air moments as you said.
With this thing, I find the pace of R-Type II perfect, elevating the already great game even further.
I haven't seen it in more releases either, but especially classic re-releases should include it for sure. Rewind and slow mo as well, great for practice!
Yeah I have been playing with fast forward for years on arch, so at this point it feels very nature for me to use :-D
Its a shame about the lag. Im still at a pretty beginner level of skill at these games and practicing to get better with the help of your videos, so unless its lag thats as bad as the Sega Genesis Classics collection on switch it goes pretty unnoticed to me. Hopefully I get to the level where I do notice eventually. Ive played progear on original hardware and its become one of my favorites since then. I havent been able to play it since the arcades closed last year due to the virus and Ive had so much trouble trying to emulate it, I had just given up hope on ever playing it again so Im definitely glad its on console in some capacity. Thanks for the awesome videos!
Thanks for tuning in! The silver lining is that I think the ps4 or pc release will be more responsive
When I got my Steam Deck and started popping about to find new shmups to play this was a gold mine: 1944, 19XX, Progear AND Giga Wing? With save states and a universal leaderboard? What a time to be alive
I *really* like the art in this game. Perfect review, thanks a lot man.
I would love to see if the rumored "Switch Pro" will reduce some of the input lag of these titles.
No problem!!
My first shmup that I ever completed and on one continue:) Had to use savestates and +800 tries tho🤣 Can’t wait to try more Cave shmups on Switch, this one really ‘clicked’ for me!
Yeah my hope is that we see deathsmiles come out on switch, I think it would be a great fit and should be fairly successful.
I love that someone is FINALLY and definitively calling out the Switch for being laggy as hell no matter what. Every time I bring this up in the shmups community (or to most people in general) about the console being laggy as hell, everyone flips out and says I'm just being mean or "who cares about input lag" and it boils my blood. Great analysis overall. Even though Shmup Junkie annoys the crap out of me, his videos do have good content buried in there under all his theatrics and cringe humor/writing, so I'm interested to see his breakdown of the collection tomorrow.
You should listen to this episode of the podcast where he and I talk about this input lag issue ha. The backstory is that I wrote a review pointing out the lag issues of the psikyo collection on the switch when I worked for nintendo life and there was a massive backlash, then your boy got the boot a few weeks later. ruclips.net/video/UWDZSv5s66g/видео.html
Was really looking forward to this, since it's such a shooter heavy collection!
Yeah they have an awesome roster of shmups on this bad boy!
Always appreciate your content. Good stuff man
Thanks my dude!!! :-D
I love Ghost n' Goblins and when I played the Capcom Arcade Stadium version I felt something was off... That is how I found your video. Only one minute in but I think I might, most defiantly, subscribe if you are about to get into what I think your getting into.
I play a lot of shmups, I found ProGear absolutely fine for lag personally
I still lament the lack of replays. But for the price it offers compared to its ilk, Capcom's offering is good. 32 save states compared to the abysmal 0!
Yeah that's a shame there are no replays :-( Still though, much more solid release than I was expecting, good stuff capcom it felt like they took care with this one.
I believe the main difference between J and US versions is default difficulty is set one lower in one of them, but I don’t remember which.
More cave on switch means a buy, esperade left an impression on me
Esprade is a fantastic game!
Running RetroArch on Switch?! I never thought of that! My PSP is still one of my favorite portable devices, maybe that will change some day... Anyway, good idea adding that for the comparison of lag on Switch. I am so curious where this lag comes from but I will get all three packs for the Arcade Stadium anyway. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge!
The Switch needs to have Run Ahead enabled in its system software.
Hell yeah!!
Thx for the review. Hopefully if there is Playstation/PC port, the lag will be less. I've been dying to play an official port of Progear, one of my fav shmups of all time.
Yes I think the ps4 and pc versions have been announced! No release date yet though
This is good news because there's news that it's coming to Xbox!!
Yes I m excited! I 'll probably pick it up on my xbone. It s lonely for more shmups ha
@@TheElectricUnderground xbox series x has more shmups than ps5 wtf are you talking about. And series x is better than ps5 I know I have both.
Great review man & i hear Capcom is adding more games at a later date well Capcom let's see u add Powerstone 1 & 2 please & thanks so much ! ♡
Oh that s really cool! Yeah I think it s meant to be expanded and all that
I approach these arcade ports as switch games and not so much as the real arcade experience and with this mentality I can not feel too sorry about the two frames added by the hardware switch because basically I don't expect true arcade performance. For this reason I've been playing with it for hours and hours (with hori Rap V which I think has one frame less anyway?) And I'm very happy with this release. Climbing the charts is an orgasm. I am consoled to think, however, that maybe a new switch revision (if it ever happens) can solve the basic problem of the two added frames because it would be a general benefit.
Oh that's great you are playing the leaderboards! Yes, I am really hoping a new switch revision addresses and fixes the lag issues of the console, that would be fantastic! For now my mentality is that I play the switch 98% of the time as a handheld and if I want to play the games in a console format I go with my ps4 or PC :-)
@@TheElectricUnderground I make 50 percent use of it between handheld and home console. Every now and then I have a few minutes off at work and there is nothing better than playing progear, gigawing and 19something :). Let's hope for a revision because switch would become the ultimate retrogaming console if they solve the frame problem
I miss your NintendoLife reviews. They were awesome!
Thanks my dude! I tried my best in those reviews to convey some solid philosophy of the features I value and all that good stuff, but I figured it would be short lived since I was constantly pushing on their audience with my reviews and all that sort of thing ha. If the channel continues to grow I plan to enter the written review space again and compete with NL as a publication of my own.
@@TheElectricUnderground that's a great idea! I trust your opinion and will definitely read your reviews.
@@TheElectricUnderground that would be awesome, we need it because very few people knows how to review retro games.
Great video. Did you see how Studio Mudprints were hit with a copyright claim by Capcom?
Regarding input lag, data is king. I play my “key” shmups on my 360, and decided to go with Switch for new, physical releases. For example, I have Ikaruga on DC, 360, and Switch. I’ll play DC on my CRT and possibly use the 360, but the Switch is portable. I decided to get the Aleste collection on Switch mainly due to its Game Gear type portability.
My problem with my PS4 is that for some reason I don’t trust it. It’s EOL now and physical media seems to be on the way out. But perhaps I’m being an idiot, buying physical for a handheld? I just see less value in digital. I should probably just get over it and Switch (haha) over to PS4, but I do love my flip grip!
I have cotton on the way for Switch, again, but perhaps I should move over to PS4 for future STG releases.
Oh I saw the post from mudprints. Capcom is crazy. My fav was when they copyright claimed their own replays from the ps3 with street fighter 4 ha. Yes, I would recommend swapping over to the ps4 personally. The good news is that there are all the shot trigger releases on there waiting for you :-)
Brooks also released a Switch dock called the Power Bay. It claims to reduce lag of controllers hooked up to it but I don't have a way of testing that. It is pretty cute as it is a mini-Gamecube that the Switch sits on.
How much is this thing? Maybe I'll buy one and test it out!
@@TheElectricUnderground There are two versions of them. One is around $52 and the other is $65 with bluetooth.
Sweet video thanks. I spent hours trying to get Progear to work on MAME and FBA on an RGH Xbox 360 without success, so for $20 this release is a good outcome for me. Sure, I’d prefer low lag but my skill level and resulting perception of lag doesn’t exist yet so I will just blissfully enjoy the game as is. For now anyway. 😐
Yeah I m hoping the pc and ps4 release will improve the issue
@@TheElectricUnderground Why can't Nintendo add RunAhead to a future Switch firmware update?
Bruh the cow is from 1941 counter attack, its a secret score item. It's not from harvest moon
real science is being done here! Great work!
Thank you!!! I m actually going to make a whole video exploring switch input lag
Lo jugué y es muy bueno. progear son desos juegos que te mantienen todo el rato entretenido, y no hay duda de que es uno de los mejores juegos de Capcom.
I'm still on the fence with buying this collection. Everyone on the shmups forum was complaining about 'stuttering' but your review made no mention of it. Care to comment on that?
I'd be playing on a Blast City with tendak HDMI>VGA converter and brook zero pi pcb for controls -- Crimzon Clover runs great on my setup. Thanks!
Oh so the stuttering is the weird way it does slowdown, I don't think it's a big deal honestly, at least the slowdown is there and works ha. For me I'd say that the collection itself seems pretty solid, but i'd recommend waiting for the ps4 or pc version to drop :-) Unless you want to play it in handheld mode on the switch
I enjoyed the first two stages of Progears but it just gets way to hard on the third stage for me 😅
I'l go back to Thunderforce for my Hori shmups 😁
I like the 16:9 option when I play on a CRT Monitor
It'll fill up the entire screen 😀
The good news is that you have rewind and save states to practice
@@TheElectricUnderground oh yhaa that's a very good option for guys like me 😅
Talking about hori shmups that Cotton remake is out!!
I'm quit fond of colorful Japanese games 😁
Hi, thank you very much for the review! Did you tested or played Progear and the other games of the Capcom Arcade Stadium on Ps4 and Xbox One? I was curious if and how much input lag has improved over Switch release... I'd like a comparison Switch vs Ps4 or Xbox One
I did not, but I would guess they would have a frame less of lag, though I m not certain about that, that's generally how it goes though
Excellent video ! I am a switch player ( and mame and xbox360 now ) . And i got to say that 5 frame is the limit for me to . Esprade is OK, i think crimzonclover is the same level . I only feel disapointed with psykio game. So i will try this capcom maybe , with gigawing to
I didn't test it in this video, but I heard Gigawing has an absurd amount of lag, well over 5 frames, just to warn you!
@@TheElectricUnderground god damned ... thank you for warning. I just get progear and gigawind on mame instead and it works really fine . The lag seems to be better than on my switch for shumps on it . I save my money on this
That eternally rumoured Switch Pro probably got knocked into next year with the Breath of the Wild 2 delay. But still praying it'll come along and fix these input delay issues.
yeah i'm really curious what they will do with it
@@seanmcbay They launched the Wii, Switch & Switch Lite alongside a Zelda title. They were successful. They launched the 3DS & Wii U without, their launches didn't go so well. I think Nintendo's learned their lesson that Zelda's the thing they need on shelves to get the hard core early adopter crowd to show up. That's why I tend to think that if the Pro is real, its launch will be tied to BotW 2.
Loved the detail on display options, but could I request one added feature for future reviews? Would be great to confirm in one sentence whether these retro ports include a scanlines option. Just for the record.
It’s fair to say that arcade 480p graphics without scanlines are not displaying as originally intended by the devs.
Yes sounds good, I'll include a little talk about scanlines in all future reviews, it is an important inclusion!
@@TheElectricUnderground hey thanks! It’s nice when they include it, and it’s v useful to be able to pull that info out of reviews 🙏
Great review. One thing you didn't mention is slowdown. It looks fairly accurate from the gameplay, but how close do you think it is to the pcb?
Oh that is a good question! So from what I can tell visually it does seem like the slowdown is present and acting like it's supposed to. However, I'm not as familiar with Progear's slowdown as I am with something like DDP, so it's a little hard for me to tell, but it does seem like the slowdown is acting like its supposed to.
Old school gamers get that it took hard work. Thats it, just gotta roll up the sheelves and get the work done.
Save states and rewinds are for cheats.
Tell that to the world record holders ;-)
@@TheElectricUndergroundSo you argue if this elitest group do it, then its not cheating? Some athletes also think we should open the door to all performance enhancing drugs...
I am sure these record holders do like cheating because it makes their game easier.
I've been wondering if this video was ever made, and it turns out it was! I even watched it and dropped it a like before, but I don't recall anything about it. Oh well, watched it again, thanks for the great review!
I've heard there's some jank with the autofire though, which would be a pretty nasty issue. I'm not too sure on the details myself, since I've never played Progear. Are you able to verify this?
How dare you forget ha! I don't recall having any issues with the autofire in progear, but it could be an issue in other games maybe?
So, if my understanding is correct, you can try and tweak your Switch to remove frames via runahead but still the computational power required to emulate all those parallel instances of the game logic is going to still add frames of lag. That's pretty much what happens when you try and use runahead on low power devices, which I guess the Switch can be considered to be at this point. On a positive note, it just means that the dreaded input lag is going to be pretty much a non problem pretty soon (and it is already, with a very powerful PC, as you showed with the 360 emulation review). I guess we will see what happens with games targeting the current gen consoles.
Not quiet. So the switch does have the cpu power to render the run ahead in one frame, but something within the OS or hardware is adding 2 extra frames of lag. What that is I m not totally sure but I am making a video exploring it here very soon
Capcom are awesome. Wish I had a capcom t shirt
Definitely picking up bundle 3 once this is on ps4.
huh it didn't dawn on me that i could do Progear on Shmuparch. Guess that's the route i will go!
You should do a video on Akai Katana. I dusted off an old copy I had recently and damn if it isn't amazingly fun!
Absolutely!
If retroarch allows you to play with a guaranteed 1 frame of lag on a computer and the most responsive console port tops at 4, emulation has a massive point over paid for rereleases.
How about checking handheld Input lag? Heard a lot about not being that bad .
Heard that there's near to nonexitent input lag on the 1943 port and could be the case on every other games including Progear.
So I checked this out actually (gonna do a whole video on this soon) and it turned out that the handheld lag was the same as the lag I showed in the video because of the display of the handheld. It's kinda complicated but it goes like this - playing in handheld removes the docked control lag, but introduces display lag. Playing on dock into a CRT removes the display lag, but introduces control lag ha. So if you are playing on handheld it will be better than playing on a lcd tv, but will be the same if you play your switch on a CRT.
>Save states are cheating
The Super Mario Bros flagpole glitch would still be considered TAS only if it wasn't for save states.
Yes exactly
They should have Aliens versus Predator the 3 player arcade mode on there🕹🎮😀👍🏾
absolutely, damn license issues
Hey Mark, hope you see this. Do you have any video or opinion on the Sega Genesis Collection on PS4? Just got this bad boy on sale yesterday mostly because of Alien Soldier & Gunstar Heroes & some others. Tested Gunstar Heroes today and immediately noticed that the character begin to jump like very after I press the button. Since I’ve never played Gunstar Heroes before, I don’t know if this is actually normal for this game or there’s something wrong. Can you give me any piece of advice? It does not feel great to play this game I’ll tell you that. Don’t know if the game is shit or the port that is bad. I really don’t mind like a tiny bit of extra input lag compared to the original version, that’s okay, but much more lag that’s another story. Thanks buddy.
I got this on switch and I think it did progear well done port
i love progear but what‘s up with giga wing? do you like it? and hey i also loved your reviews for nintendo life, please do that again!
Oh yeah I'm a big fan of progear! Unfortunately my written reviews for Nintendo life will be no more as I got the boot, but I will do my own written reviews once the channel grows more :-)
Hey, I'm premiering a video of Kyuukyoku Tiger on the Mega Drive on Thursday at 4:00 PM. Tell Shmup Junkie about it too.
Cool!
But they have Aliens versus Predator on Capcom home arcade the one with the big car outside with two joysticks 🕹🎮😀👍🏾
Ha that port is wild XD
What do you think about capcom censorring the E Honda stage by removing the sun in the background? It bothers my and I want to buy this collection but ........I really dont like the censor because it feel not authentic anymore. What do you think??😊
I think it is really dumb to censor it, absolutely. Honda is all about the rising sun flag, it's part of his character. This kind of crap is getting out of hand.
What's the significance of scanlines please?
They just look pretty and have a nice assortment of scanlines. I personally prefer light scanlines which aren't as common, but type B scanlines in this release look great!
So do the shooters for the PS4 generally fair better with lag over the Switch versions
When is Nintendo going to stop focusing on gimmicks and just making good consoles? Their last normal (and I would say good) console was the GameCube (which is also one of the best-looking consoles ever made, at least for my preferences). That was almost 20 years ago. I'm actually shocked that there isn't a version of the Switch that is just a normal (and cheaper) console yet, considering that less than three years after the 3DS was released, the 2DS was already a thing and that was the 3DS without the gimmick.
I was predicting that the Switch would have a similar version (the Nintendo Switchless), and I assumed that it already existed, but I guess not. I hope they do it at some point and that it's less laggy. It would also solve the problem of the tablet thing sticking out of the dock to the point that some of the screen is unprotected, which drives me insane. Looks so wrong, like the tablet and the dock weren't made for each other and you got the wrong model of one of them. Bothers me way more than it probably should.
The whole thing looks like a bad idea in general, especially coming from the company that had just made a portable system that scratches its own screen when it's closed (I have a 3DS, and it looks awful, while my PSP looks perfect). Just think a little more, Nintendo. And test things before selling them. Make the Nintendo GameCube 2. Or Nintendo Cubed (Nintendo³). Eventually, in the distant future, the Nintendo 128, the first 128-bit console (unless Atari comes back and makes the Atari Liger), so they can tell my skeleton to do the math.
yes I miss the cube days of the nintendo brand, one of my favorite consoles. I honestly don't know what nintendo is going to do moving forward, except focus on handhelds I guess (which is essentially what the switch is). I was really hoping sony were going to release a follow up to the vita at some point, but it looks like they have given up on handhelds sadly. Switch is a definite improvement over the wii series, but when it comes down to it the performance issues really hold it back as a console.
@@TheElectricUnderground The Switch is kind of a combination of home and portable consoles. I see that as kind of a defeat for Nintendo too. They used to do both successfully. Now they have all of their eggs in one basket. If they keep doing things this way and they make another huge mistake like the Wii U, it will be much worse because there will be no 3DS there to save them. They had two chances to get something right every generation, but with this business model, they only have one. Experimenting with gimmicks that they will never perfect will be a lot more dangerous now. When you only have one chance, you have to be more conservative.
Sony giving up on handhelds does make more sense, though, because they were never all that successful anyway. Still, more competition is always good. I don't regret buying my PSP at all. It was dirt cheap (and I bet that the Vita can be pretty cheap too, so I may end up getting one eventually) and it works well, and I could even use it to play PS1 games. And it had its own version of some PS1 games that were worth playing, like the second Star Ocean (with less annoying voices) and Final Fantasy Tactics (with the Dark Knight and Onion Knight classes and some extra characters like Balthier from FF12 and Luso from Tactics A2, but with slowdown issues, except that I patched that problem away so not really). No complaints there. Except that the plastic has a mirror finish. I don't like that in most places, but it's especially bad on anything portable. It always looks dirty unless you clean it very well and then keep it in your closet and never touch it.
@@TheElectricUnderground They did change the character art in Star Ocean, though. That's the bad thing about that version. They made it generic. Kinda like how Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow switches to a really generic style while Aria of Sorrow had that distinct Castlevania look.
@@seanmcbay My point there is that Nintendo used to make two separate systems. One portable and one home console. Two chances for disaster, but also two chances for success (and they always got the portables right, because they didn't do anything too crazy with them).
Back in the mid 2000s, they had the Wii and the DS at the same time, both very successful. Now Nintendo only has one system and one chance. They basically gave up on dedicated home consoles. That's the defeat that I'm talking about. It's not about the Switch being a failure, it's about them making huge mistakes and giving up on their previous business model.
If they keep doing this, they better not mess up because they only have one chance now. When the Wii U failed, they still had the 3DS to save them. If they keep making only one system, crazy gimmicks will be a lot riskier than they were in the past.
Hey Mark, you don’t stream on twitch too often right? Do you have plans to do so? I would love that :D
Hi Dominik! I've been trying out streaming on RUclips more these days, but I still bust out twitch grind streams when I wanna just attack a big goal over and over ha.
@@TheElectricUnderground Thanks for answering! Well, i follow your great videos/streams anyway. on yt or twitch, doesn’t matter too much. thank you for everything:)
Been loving this release of progear, m2 is in the credits of capcom stadium I wonder if they assisted with progears port...
I think they must have in some way, there are some definite m2 vibes on this release! Would explain the 32 save state slots ha.
From what I saw on twitter they stated they worked on the materials collection. Things like art assets and such I assume
@@SmileRYO right on , thanks for diggin around to find more info i tried but couldnt find much. 👍
They have 32 save slots since there are 32 games. I initially thought that a save would cover everything, but it only covers the game you are in.
32 is a binary number. They must consider 16 is too little and 64 is too much.
I like Shoot em' ups cause 19XX the war against Destiny and 1944 The loop Master i wanna play them for fun causally i just wanna shoot planes and plane carriers casually and i wanna have harmless fun playing my favorite shoot em' ups 19XX the war against Destiny and 1944 The loop Master
YES! these games are awesome! Gonna cover them when the ps4 version drops
Now Loop master on arcade stadium is on my favorites list it's the best game on par with 19XX i adore the soundtrack of loop master and it's visuals in summary i just adore/obsess over loop master
Save states were essential for me to "get" Castlevania: Rondo of Blood's gameplay mechanics. Otherwise I'd be slogging through the same level over and over, spending 10 minutes of mundane work for 1 minute of improvement.
Yes exactly!
curious about how you cheat in ikaruga i looked up codes for that game and gamefaqs just said" no"
Thanks god this is coming to Steam
Yeah I m looking forward to it!
The stuttering and fps drops (seems like frame skipping ) is driving me crazy. They add all these bells and whistles; but at the end of the day I just want a good emulation. No wonder Chinese devices still sell. If they don't fix this soon; I'm going to get an At Games legends arcade Core and stop buying these compilations.
The way the game emulates slowdown is kinda strange. I m not sure why it has the sort of chop effect rather than a smooth slowdown
@@TheElectricUnderground I'm thinking the arcade front end (which apparently uses the RE Engine) still runs in the background; even if you turn it off and it may be an issue with the way the wi fi is set up to constantly search and send date (even if it is off). The wi-fi issues caused the same kind of choppy stuttering in the Capcom arcade arcade sticks they released last year (with the built in games). They did eventual patch and fix the issues; but I hope they do the same here. Kind of tired of buying their collections that always has some features missing or issue in emulation. While I could just buy any of the hundreds of emulation devices out there in the market; or come up with some makeshift solution on my own; I really just want these games to be officially preserved on the Switch at the best possible quality; as it is such a versatile console.
Any idea about the other shmups on the collection? I'm curious if Progear having 5 frames means the other games do too.
yes, pretty much. Though i have heard that there was some improvement to the lag in a patch or something
@@TheElectricUnderground Hey man, really appreciate the reply. I went ahead and bought the shmup package anyway, since a lot of these games predate my exposure to the genre. Hell, 1943: Battle of Midway is older than I am! And still holds up surprisingly well imo for such an old game. I was really impressed. 5 frames of lag isn't the best, especially knowing that my docked setup is probably going to add another frame or two, but I can deal with it and mostly play on handheld anyway. All those extras are nice too.
@@TheSamuraiGoomba It really is a valuable collection! Who cares about the frames anyway? I mean it! This isn't Street Fighter! It's not like you can cancel moves or entire animations via response, just have fun! No one gives two twisted damns who the "best" is at ProGear anyway! Will you be playing 19XX at EVO? Nope! xD
Have you tried it on Steam/PC yet? If so how's the performance?
I have not! I would guess 1 frame less laggy, that s the general trend vs the switch
I heard you can lower frame rate by removing the borders and playing with no filters.
Please compare input lag between PS4 and PS4 games on PS5. Maybe the PS4 version of Capcom Arcade Stadium would be a good opportunity. Or use ESP Ra.De.
Do you by chance, or anyone for that matter know of a game pad that would be great for shmups for the Switchlite specifically? I think the pad in the video would only work for a proper switch with a dock. Thinking I won’t have much luck.
That s a tough one! Is there a hori one that will connect?
Hmm, so actually there’s a usb hub from Hori that I can plug controllers in, that may be my ticket! I’m reading a lot about how the bitdo m30 controller has felt really precise for shmups on the switch with a usb connection. The hub is only 20 bucks I believe, and the controller 30. Thanks for mentioning the Hori brand!
Does this game have online because I want to know if I can play them with my cousins
No, only local multiplayer I m pretty sure
@@TheElectricUnderground thank you
What happened with Nintendolife? Were your reviews just too niche or did they get rid of you for mentioning things like input lag and emulation?
we will never know ha. I was never spoken to or anything, they just stopped contacting me. I can only suspect that my reviews were too niche for their taste as they were always messing around with my scores and cutting out my more pointed remarks ha. They just want warmed over 8/10 reviews to be honest.
My main concern with the Capcom arcade stadium was more dropped frames and stuttering after seeing it on the included 1942 game. Maybe from the fancy UI and 3d arcade models.
How does that fare in progear? Does it always look smooth?
it does have this strange sort of stuttering effect for the slowdown, not sure what's going on there but it doesn't bother me too much.
How many frames should I set in RetroArch runahead to achieve just 1 frame of input delay? Is 1 fram sufficient or does it need to go higher?
It depends on each game (I gotta go through and update arch this week, the core has been going through a lot of changes), but I believe progear is 2 frames of run ahead. Maybe 3? I'll go through and config it just right on the next arch version coming out.
@@TheElectricUnderground on ShmupArch is the runahead set up individually per game? Do you have a video on how to setup RetroArch for best performance?
@@TheElectricUnderground where I can get this ShmupArch for Switch
Man I hate the music of this game. Love the aesthetics and mechanics. But man that music… ughhh. To me is more of a jrpg tune or something.
ha I could see that. I don't mind the music but you should check out akai katana's ost! That's some rocking stuff!
Leí por ahí que más tarde este año sale para PC, Ps4 y Xbox (te ayudo a practicar Mark)
¡Yo también escuché eso! Definitivamente estoy ansioso por recogerlo en PC o PS4, creo que serán mejores que Switch debido al retraso. Lo siento si esto se lee extraño, se utilizó el traductor de Google.
Is it less than 5 on PC?
I m not sure, don t have the PC version
The last update seems to have addressed any latency issues.
Oh interesting!!!
@@TheElectricUnderground Yeah on both Switch and PS4/5. I only wish they'd bring the Capcom Home Arcade in line with Arcade Stadium.
No way. Progear is actually on this comp?
It has been set free from copyright purgatory ha.
There videos are a public service. Trying to get quality information like this from a "professional" review service is a total waste of time.
It really is! Here is every professional review: It's a shmup, it's an 8/10
Ok Sega lets see u make an arcade collection be nice 2 see Shinobi Shadow Dancer After Burner Rad Mobile Segasonic the arcade game Virtua Racing Virtua Fighter Virtua Cop The House of the Dead Crazy Taxi 18 Wheeler Fighting Vipers Space Harrier Planet Harrier Sub Roc Supper Zaxxon Super Hang On Turbo Congo Bongo Outrun Outrunners Turbo Outrun Buck Roger's Planet of Zoom Thunderforce AC Fantasy Zone Pengo Time Traveler Altered Beast Golden Axe Michael Jackson's Moonwalker Power Drift Alien Storm Alien Syndrome thanks Sega ! ♡
Mark your arcade stick is adding lag. Fastest controller is the joycon
Hang tight! I have a whole video about this coming out this week!
I'd imagine a undocked switch with connected joycon would have least possible lag. Since that would use internal screen instead of an external potentially adding lag as well as connected controller with no wireless signal adding lag and may be better than even USB. But that's just a guess. Look forward to more analysis.
I've got the Capcom Home Arcade, and I'd be really interested to see how well these new ROMs stack up against the ones on the CHA. It'd also be interesting to see what latency you get using this new collection on the switch with an arcade stick as compared with the CHA.
I d love to test it out but sadly I do not own the capcom stick
@@TheElectricUnderground It sometimes goes on sale for under €100 (I'm from Europe). I got mine last year off Amazon and I couldn't believe they were that cheap when compared to what they were originally. The stick itself is a steal for the price, and you can easily mod it to be an arcade stick for the Switch. Maybe try grabbing one whenever the price goes down again?
What's the game at 0:42? Cool cover art.
Guwange!! Check out my live 1cc vid of it :)
@@TheElectricUnderground nice thanks for the quick reply
Is there better input lag on ps4 or Xbox versions?
In would assume so but I haven't been able to test them. I would say very likely though
Kids these days won't know what it's like to play arcades :(
I know it s a damn shame. ruclips.net/video/6F3qICXjeHo/видео.html
They are actually around. They're just not very common, at least not in the West (seriously, go to Japan and you will be in arcade heaven). But, I know of at least a couple places to play arcade games. One is an unapologetic retro arcade, and the other is a "fun park" type place where there are all sorts of games to entertain people (mostly aimed at children). Both are about an hour's drive away (give or take) from me in different directions, mind you, but it's worth going. The only uncertainty is whether they survived the veritable business nuke that is the pandemic. It will be interesting to see what survived in the coming months.
"unofficial emulation" o.O Huh? OH! Right. That *does* sound better than: "Theft."
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