I’m assuming the CHF was a criterion barrel. Apart from steel composition, they’re different profiles. The Son’s is an HBAR profile - uniform in diameter to the gas journal (guessing ~1” diameter), then stepped down at the gas journal to .750” in diameter where its uniform from there to the muzzle threads. The son’s barrel also has 5/8-24 threads - a bit more robust than the standard 1/2-28 on most 5.56 barrels. The HBAR profile results in excellent rigidity leading to superior harmonics and thus, accuracy (less barrel wobble means better consistency during strings of fire), and improved heat resistance at the cost of added weight. The only thing that could make this barrel better is fluting. That would reduce unnecessary weight and add surface area to dissipate heat while maintaining the rigidity of the profile. Maybe we can hope for an improvement in the future. It does add time and cost to manufacturing process. The criterion barrel is presumably a CORE profile which features a continuous taper, with the majority of material near the chamber, again, for the same purposes (improved rigidity, harmonics, etc). However, it tapers down to .625” in diameter at the gas journal, so there’s less material so the amount of time it takes to achieve heat soak is lower. The criterion is cold hammer forged, so the barrel, in theory, will have excellent service life. It’s chrome lined to add to that life. Typically chrome lined barrels are less accurate; criterion combats that by hand lapping the bore to remove imperfections, resulting in incredible accuracy. However, criterion barrels are anecdotally more picky when it comes to ammo - specifically the weight of the slug. Ultimately, they’re both excellent barrels. They both come with their benefits and sacrifices, that’s why the annoying adage of, “Depends what you wanna do” comes into play. And beyond that there’s other component quality, assembly, etc that factors into it all as well.
Really enjoying the videos of all the scoped carbine work. Barrel looks like a winner and the 14.5 will be my next build. I may turn one of the Broadsword receiver sets into another 6arc as well for fun.
You dump some more ammo through that thicc barrel and it'll do the same thing as far as expansion and once it does get hot it won't cool down as fast as the thin one. I've tested this for myself with a SOCOM profile barrel vs a BCM ELW with a Gov profile barrel thrown in for control. Another factor that really matters is whether or not the thinner barrel was properly stress relieved? For your purposes though I think you'll find a thicker barrel will be better for the types of matches you're shooting. I do think for most people a medium profile continuous taper barrel is gonna be ideal. That's the other thing, whatever thickness you roll with the barrel profile needs to be a continuous taper design. You don't want a bunch of random weight at the end of your muzzle like on a gov profile barrel. That is a bad design. But even that will work fine for most people because most people don't shoot that much.
Yes, but the point being it takes more ammo to achieve the same thing, if we continued to shoot more ammo through both barrels the thinner profile would continue to deteriorate faster than the heavier profile. Theres a lot that goes into barrels, but I lack the skill to take advantage of it
@@harleysoftail7107Isn't germaine to the question they're trying to answer. Unless the barrel harmonics are changing for someone unknown reason, they should be consistent for the load and atmospherics.
i am trying to find a barrel, this past 5 weeks, for my LaRue build.. and soo many options, when i just want a sturdy, accurate 18 inch barrel.. that will make a 300 yrd shot - over and over.. rapid or single fire..its been real difficult to find the one.. i am glad u made this video.. i am gonna add this to my list for comparisons.. awesome video! many thanx from the Woods of Maine - Semper FI
How much you're wanting to spend will have a bit to do with which to recommend. However, Sons of Liberty sells the barrel from the video in an 18' version. Proof Research would be another company to look at. For 300y and in use though an 18" isn't required and a 16" would be more than capable.
I have an 18" 3-Gun profile barrel from Odin Works, .223 Wylde chamber, rifle length gas, that will do what you ask. Soft and precise shooter. I ran it at Ridgeline's Scoped Carbine course. Easy 1MOA at 300+, the Ridgeline array goes to 700. Other options exist, I have a 16" from Lilja that is still new but looks to have the same potential, and I'm sure they can do an 18". The SOLGW Broadsword looks good for the job as well.
Barrel profile is definitely overlooked. My 18” Criterion Core would get some pretty wild groups when hot. I went to a service rifle profile from Compass Lake on a criterion blank and there’s a very noticeable difference. One of the first things I noticed when I got my 16” SOLGW SPR barrel a couple months ago was the thicker profile, and for that I was happy.
@@MassJass they’re really great barrels, wouldn’t hesitate to put one in most guns. But when shooting precision gas gun matches, I think their are better options.
@@hajduk_lives Exactly. If you want a reasonably precise over lifetime barrel, with a good lifespan, the Criterion Core is a good choice. If you want more precision there are many options available, options which will make the Criterion look sloppy on precision. Also I wonder, how many who insist they need chrome lining for durability -- how many of them ever shoot regularly, with accuracy aims in mind, rather than throwing rounds downrange somewhat mindlessly?
@@hajduk_lives I would guess you're correct since the great majority of people who bench race and otherwise chatter on the toobz, they rarely if ever shoot, no matter what kind of barrel they may have. Did you notice recently that CLE has stopped commercial sales to the public? I was thinking about getting a barrel, but now I can't.
I went to the range on a Hot Texas day with my 14.5 KAC. After shooting the heck out of some .556 I put on my Sandman S and got a baffle strike while shooting my chronograph. As a result to this day I don't want ANY PART of a barrel that is over 11.5 that is a thin profile.
barrel profile will have affect on accuracy, but so does barrel fouling. were these barrels 100% clean or did they have some rounds fired through them before testing? it was a tough thing to me to wrap my head about when I started shooting PRS style matches bc I came from every time I went to the range, I cleaned barrels. now, with my 6mm rifle, every 500 rounds and with my 223, every 1000 rounds.
Both barrels were fouled. Both barrels have shot sub moa in their current configurations. Unfortunately as noted the first barrel is way more picky about ammo.
@@jimmybrodriguez yes, I can see that. from what I remember, you've had the best consistent results from the imi 77 grain and I've can confirm, that stuff is some good factory ammo. always enjoy your content. happy holidays
Why is it hard to understand that obsessive cleaning of a barrel doesn't help anything? Why would you start using firearms from a POV which says, make everything shine brightly immediately after a range trip?
No. The Noveske did well at the ridgeline class after getting hot, but has heavier profile than the first rifle tested and the noveske barrels I use are stainless not chrome lined.
So, would you say Taylor's balls are bolt ons? Imma be crazy for a minute, the more mass in the barrel, the longer it will take to reach thermal equilibrium with the hot gunpowder. Also, barrel steel matters a lot, some steels don't have the same heat capacity, or heat transferrability as other steels. Also, the more homogenous and isotropic the steel is, the less it will flex in weird ways under heating. Barrels that are no isotropic may bend under heat stress by a few tenths of an inch, and return to normal when cool.
@@jimmybrodriguez Also, the fact that it was 2023 at the time of that guy's comment, 2024 now, has no bearing on whether a shooter should be considering the profile of the barrel he's about to pay for. I think it's good of you to talk about because the vast majority of rifles I see for sale, they tend to have either a pencil profile or a "Govt Profile," neither of which is good for sustained accuracy (unless you get a $600+ pencil from a top mfr) and the Govt Profile has the metal in all the wrong places for anyone not adding a grenade launcher to their rifle.
@@jimmybrodriguez I remember where I was when I found out. Booth 17 when my first AR Milspec barrel walked on me. BRUTAL!! Who knew?! (Everyone but me)
I shoot gas gun in prs so my accuracy has to be quite a bit better. I know with my barrel h bar I am good. Half inch group to 3/4 until round 9, shots 10 and 11. Start dropping low. Hoping a cut rifled bull barrel will hold up better. I find that you really have to know how to reload to keep an ar sub moa.
You're kidding, right? How long have you been shooting? How many rounds downrange? A person can jump into PRS with almost no experience, so saying you shot PRS doesn't tell much. I have no trouble shooting 10rd sub-MOA groups with an OdinWorks 18" 3-Gun .223 Wylde, rifle length gas. Running 77gr IMI Razorcore. I watched 5 other shooters at the same Scoped Carbine course at Ridgeline do as well, without swanky Bartlein or Krieger cut rifling barrels. If it matters -- the OW barrel is in a BCM upper, BCM MCMR rail, Mega/Expo lower, LaRue MBT-2 trigger, carbine buffer length, Sprinco Blue spring, H2 buffer. Built it myself, if that matters.
So with that tread pitch you can’t run a 556 suppressor? Without some type of adaptor? For instance I couldn’t run my 556 RC2. That would be a deal breaker for me.
They explain the advantage of the thread pitch in their podcast but I’ve heard for a few people that the thread pitch is making them hesitant to get the barrel
@@jimmybrodriguez That's because they put their priorities backward. Wanted a can, had to have a can, then they find the can limits their barrel choices. If they'd got a 6.5 or .30 can they wouldn't have this problem, but they didn't think down the road far enough, so now they blame the barrel that otherwise they say they would buy. Bench racers, they crack me up.
Heard a lot of nightmare stories about freedom munitions and even had some super hot 308 ammo from them that was constantly blowing primers. Have you not had any issues? Or are you using a different freedom ammo?
Correct me if I am wrong. Doesn't a Can / Suppressor heat up a barrel a lot quicker in internal piston guns? Also using 2 different Cans / Suppressors could do the same?
Jim, I'm super curious. How has the Griffin can been? Especially compared to the Huxwrx. Those are the two cans that have been on my radar but I don't know anybody that's shot a Griffin Dual-Lok
So far the griffin has been solid, but not nearly enough rounds through it to give a fair analysis. I’ve got 15k plus through hux cans along with Taylor’s 10k through his so those have been pretty awesome
Interesting vid. I have a 16 inch 223 Wylde 416R Stainless Steel Hbar profile barrel. But it’s with a 1:8 twist. Thoughts on that vs your 1:7 twist? Also, what’s your preferred ammo-556 77 grain-for distance?
I didn’t want people to think we were trying talk negatively about a specific brand especially since I’m now shooting for solgw. The focus was on profiles and I didn’t want it to be confused with comparison of companies.
Disappointed this was only 2 barrels, with 2 of the many different profiles. Would like to see multiple profiles and a singular barrel type (CHF/CL vs Stainless) compared to itself rather than compared against a different barrel entirely.
Since we’re paying out of pocket we just don’t have the budget for that. We’d be happy to if someone wants to donate uppers, but for now can only use what we currently own.
Mom wake up! Jimmy put out two videos in one week! I’m not a good enough shooter to have an educated opinion on this. Just dropping likes and love for the homies
I know that you don't want to post what the non-SOLGW barrel was, but I think it would be important to at least show the barrel contour so that we know what the actual comparison was. There's a big difference between say a Govt profile, Criterion Core, BCM ELW, the "medium" contour stuff (Noveske CHF/SS, Hodge, Criterion Hybrid, Centurion Midweight, Sionics, BRT, etc.) and the SPR barrel in the video.
Does Barrel Profile Matter? Thinner barrels will heat up faster and lose accuracy faster than heavier barrels. We saw this with the military transition to M4 carbines where the thinner barrels would not handle high rates of fire so they had to replace the barrels with heavier ones so barrels would not wear out as fast. Thinner may cool faster but it also heats up faster and wears faster. That is why my ARs are all HBar.
Would like to see the rifles reversed. As a group you put a "cold shooter" straight into an accuracy test. Then was handed another rifle to conduct the same test. Not saying that the results would change. It would rule out the shooter as the largest variable.
Great concept but it would really help if you took your time shooting the groups and actually measured them. There is nothing I saw that convinced me the first barrel actually opened up.
@mavrikmavrik3032 6 hours ago If you shot as often as you pretend to with your "criticisms," you would know what happened. You bench racers are so good at mocking yourselves unintentionally. If the footage you request had been posted, you'd be criticizing some ancillary thing, trying to sound expert. Poseurs, so funny.
I didn’t say anyone sucked. I did criticize your process, data collection and analysis. Anyone can make a claim, do some shooting and draw conclusions. However to actually show, with data, what you claim takes a bit more work than what you did. I would love to see a good experiment to prove one barrel does better than the other as it heats up but you will need to collect more data and show results than what you did. Personally I’ve done the heat experiment with a pencil barrel and even after a much larger sample size I still didn’t get data that convinced me the results get worse. I would love to see a good video that show this.
@@mavrikmavrik3032 Tell me what undergrad science you earned a BS in, would you please? And then tell me where Jim said this would be a scientific test with every variable controlled. You try to sound wise but simply look narrowminded and uninformed. If you can't draw conclusions from what Jim did in this video, you aren't as seasoned a shooter as you pretend. Which was my original point above.
If remembers correctly after 20 rounds the accuracy of the rounds degrade when the barrel heats up. I remember an instructor hitting on that point while serving in the Army.
I love everyone in the comment section conveniently forgetting SOLGW marking up their mil-spec parts and rifles by like 20-30% during Covid and even now lol
I'm confused, what " internet lore" about thicker profile barrerls being better at sustained strings of fire were you " unsure" about and needed to do this commercial, excuse me, test, to myth bust?
Profile isn’t just overall thickness… There are many who do not know that different dimensions along the barrel have different effects. The reason we know this is because it is often asked in various forums and socials. So what’s wrong with someone making a video mentioning it. Even if it isn’t extremely scientific.
@triggernometry1 uhh I said thicker profile, which is correct here, the new solgw barrels, which this is a commercial for are so thick they use 30 cal thread pitch. Lol clown
Serious question. Do you just go from gun company to gun company? Weren't you with Triarc than Noveske and now SOLGW? When you review something how can we take it serious when it seems like you just shill for whoever hires you.
Happy to answer this, I’ve been pretty open about it in all my videos, but people believe what they want. I worked for Triarc when I got into the industry and started this channel after I had already been working there so naturally I made content around what I had access to. In the industry you make friends and I became friends with the guys at noveske along with one of my friends getting hired there. When Triarc fired me I wanted to distance myself from the company since so many people associated me with them. Shooting a noveske was an easy transition because of my friends. Noveske have never sponsored me nor given me any money. I only purchased one gun from them, everything else I purchased through TAG Firearms. To dispel people’s misconceptions I built out the cobalt that I shot for the last 6 months of the season, again not paid or sponsored. Looking at being more competitive next season in Quantified Performance the opportunity to shoot for SOLGW came up and I am excited for it given the new broadsword and the development it’s gone through over the last year. I have had a good relationship with Mike since my triarc days and have become friends with a few of the guys there over the last couple of years so it was an easy fit for me, as we align on a lot of things. Given that I am shooting for their team I stated in the last video I don’t think it would be ethical to “review” their gun only to show the data and allow the audience to draw their own conclusions. That’s what I’ve done here and will continue to do. Hopefully that clears up any confusion.
Serious question -- do you just randomly obsess over people's barrel choices and then go to their channel to micturate on the thread? Does your last name explain this pathetic behavior, little man?
Correct, but some people are new to this. We all started somewhere, we can’t assume everyone is at our level of understanding. We’re just trying help people getting into this.
If I shoot one thing consistently because I’m shooting competitively and trying to get better I’m a shill. If I shoot a bunch of different things I’m just jumping to the next fad and a shill. If I tell people I’m shooting for a team I’m a shill. Not much I can do about your perception or feelings. I’m using what works best for me and like I said in the video I encourage people to use whatever works for them in their context for their specific goals.
I appreciate all the awesome content and congratulations on the SOLGW team sponsorship!
Much appreciated!
I'm interested in hearing a comparison between SS and CHF barrels. Thank you for the continuing education 🤝
I’m assuming the CHF was a criterion barrel. Apart from steel composition, they’re different profiles.
The Son’s is an HBAR profile - uniform in diameter to the gas journal (guessing ~1” diameter), then stepped down at the gas journal to .750” in diameter where its uniform from there to the muzzle threads. The son’s barrel also has 5/8-24 threads - a bit more robust than the standard 1/2-28 on most 5.56 barrels. The HBAR profile results in excellent rigidity leading to superior harmonics and thus, accuracy (less barrel wobble means better consistency during strings of fire), and improved heat resistance at the cost of added weight. The only thing that could make this barrel better is fluting. That would reduce unnecessary weight and add surface area to dissipate heat while maintaining the rigidity of the profile. Maybe we can hope for an improvement in the future. It does add time and cost to manufacturing process.
The criterion barrel is presumably a CORE profile which features a continuous taper, with the majority of material near the chamber, again, for the same purposes (improved rigidity, harmonics, etc). However, it tapers down to .625” in diameter at the gas journal, so there’s less material so the amount of time it takes to achieve heat soak is lower. The criterion is cold hammer forged, so the barrel, in theory, will have excellent service life. It’s chrome lined to add to that life. Typically chrome lined barrels are less accurate; criterion combats that by hand lapping the bore to remove imperfections, resulting in incredible accuracy. However, criterion barrels are anecdotally more picky when it comes to ammo - specifically the weight of the slug.
Ultimately, they’re both excellent barrels. They both come with their benefits and sacrifices, that’s why the annoying adage of, “Depends what you wanna do” comes into play. And beyond that there’s other component quality, assembly, etc that factors into it all as well.
It was not a criterion barrel. I avoided naming the brand to eliminate anyone presuming it was brand comparison or that we were bashing a brand.
Criterion barrels are not CHF, they even have a video comparing one of their barrels to a CHF.
@@jp71889 All that to realize criterion barrels are not CHF.
Really enjoying the videos of all the scoped carbine work. Barrel looks like a winner and the 14.5 will be my next build. I may turn one of the Broadsword receiver sets into another 6arc as well for fun.
You dump some more ammo through that thicc barrel and it'll do the same thing as far as expansion and once it does get hot it won't cool down as fast as the thin one. I've tested this for myself with a SOCOM profile barrel vs a BCM ELW with a Gov profile barrel thrown in for control. Another factor that really matters is whether or not the thinner barrel was properly stress relieved? For your purposes though I think you'll find a thicker barrel will be better for the types of matches you're shooting.
I do think for most people a medium profile continuous taper barrel is gonna be ideal. That's the other thing, whatever thickness you roll with the barrel profile needs to be a continuous taper design. You don't want a bunch of random weight at the end of your muzzle like on a gov profile barrel. That is a bad design. But even that will work fine for most people because most people don't shoot that much.
Yes, but the point being it takes more ammo to achieve the same thing, if we continued to shoot more ammo through both barrels the thinner profile would continue to deteriorate faster than the heavier profile.
Theres a lot that goes into barrels, but I lack the skill to take advantage of it
@@jimmybrodriguez Yeah. I agree with all that.
What about barrel whip?
@@harleysoftail7107Isn't germaine to the question they're trying to answer. Unless the barrel harmonics are changing for someone unknown reason, they should be consistent for the load and atmospherics.
i am trying to find a barrel, this past 5 weeks, for my LaRue build.. and soo many options, when i just want a sturdy, accurate 18 inch barrel.. that will make a 300 yrd shot - over and over.. rapid or single fire..its been real difficult to find the one.. i am glad u made this video.. i am gonna add this to my list for comparisons.. awesome video! many thanx from the Woods of Maine - Semper FI
How much you're wanting to spend will have a bit to do with which to recommend. However, Sons of Liberty sells the barrel from the video in an 18' version. Proof Research would be another company to look at. For 300y and in use though an 18" isn't required and a 16" would be more than capable.
Centurion Arms
I have an 18" 3-Gun profile barrel from Odin Works, .223 Wylde chamber, rifle length gas, that will do what you ask. Soft and precise shooter. I ran it at Ridgeline's Scoped Carbine course. Easy 1MOA at 300+, the Ridgeline array goes to 700. Other options exist, I have a 16" from Lilja that is still new but looks to have the same potential, and I'm sure they can do an 18". The SOLGW Broadsword looks good for the job as well.
wow!!!! thanx.. i am gonna look intp this! thank u !@@seanoneil277
Rainier Arms Ultramatch MOD2 .223 Wylde Barrel - 18" - $400
Phenomenal video. Great content, pace, and humor.
Glad you enjoyed it! Much appreciated
Great video. I am wondering how the use of 2 different suppressors affected the test? Could that have led to the results that were produced?
Yea it could absolutely effect the barrel whip and change the accuracy of the barrel
Barrel profile is definitely overlooked. My 18” Criterion Core would get some pretty wild groups when hot. I went to a service rifle profile from Compass Lake on a criterion blank and there’s a very noticeable difference.
One of the first things I noticed when I got my 16” SOLGW SPR barrel a couple months ago was the thicker profile, and for that I was happy.
I run a Criterion hybrid for the same reason. Pencil barrels are fun for run and gun but they get unpredictable at range under volume
@@MassJass they’re really great barrels, wouldn’t hesitate to put one in most guns. But when shooting precision gas gun matches, I think their are better options.
@@hajduk_lives Exactly. If you want a reasonably precise over lifetime barrel, with a good lifespan, the Criterion Core is a good choice. If you want more precision there are many options available, options which will make the Criterion look sloppy on precision. Also I wonder, how many who insist they need chrome lining for durability -- how many of them ever shoot regularly, with accuracy aims in mind, rather than throwing rounds downrange somewhat mindlessly?
@@seanoneil277 very few folks would shoot out a stainless barrel, i reckon.
@@hajduk_lives I would guess you're correct since the great majority of people who bench race and otherwise chatter on the toobz, they rarely if ever shoot, no matter what kind of barrel they may have.
Did you notice recently that CLE has stopped commercial sales to the public? I was thinking about getting a barrel, but now I can't.
Are those both 16” barrels?
Yes
I went to the range on a Hot Texas day with my 14.5 KAC. After shooting the heck out of some .556 I put on my Sandman S and got a baffle strike while shooting my chronograph. As a result to this day I don't want ANY PART of a barrel that is over 11.5 that is a thin profile.
Hell yeah it matters.
barrel profile will have affect on accuracy, but so does barrel fouling. were these barrels 100% clean or did they have some rounds fired through them before testing? it was a tough thing to me to wrap my head about when I started shooting PRS style matches bc I came from every time I went to the range, I cleaned barrels. now, with my 6mm rifle, every 500 rounds and with my 223, every 1000 rounds.
Both barrels were fouled. Both barrels have shot sub moa in their current configurations. Unfortunately as noted the first barrel is way more picky about ammo.
@@jimmybrodriguez yes, I can see that. from what I remember, you've had the best consistent results from the imi 77 grain and I've can confirm, that stuff is some good factory ammo. always enjoy your content. happy holidays
Why is it hard to understand that obsessive cleaning of a barrel doesn't help anything?
Why would you start using firearms from a POV which says, make everything shine brightly immediately after a range trip?
A possum puncher is never late. He simply arrives when he is meant to arrive.
Facts!
Hi that griffin dual lok sounds great. Is that that dual lok 5?
Is the other barrel Noveske?
No. The Noveske did well at the ridgeline class after getting hot, but has heavier profile than the first rifle tested and the noveske barrels I use are stainless not chrome lined.
I meant to ask on the last video. What was the point of making the barrel in that thread pitch instead of 1/2x28? What did you gain?
So, would you say Taylor's balls are bolt ons?
Imma be crazy for a minute, the more mass in the barrel, the longer it will take to reach thermal equilibrium with the hot gunpowder. Also, barrel steel matters a lot, some steels don't have the same heat capacity, or heat transferrability as other steels. Also, the more homogenous and isotropic the steel is, the less it will flex in weird ways under heating. Barrels that are no isotropic may bend under heat stress by a few tenths of an inch, and return to normal when cool.
Def bolt on performance.
Yes there are lots variables that go into barrel performance that once we have a larger budget maybe we can deep dive into
I run an insanely heavy barrel on my spr build. I forget how much it weighs. But it’s a giant. The groups are fantastic.
“Does barrel profile matter?” Yeah, is this still a question in 2023?
Not everyone is at the same point in their shooting journey, we’re trying to help those that are newer to this.
@@jimmybrodriguez la neta es la neta
@@jimmybrodriguez Also, the fact that it was 2023 at the time of that guy's comment, 2024 now, has no bearing on whether a shooter should be considering the profile of the barrel he's about to pay for.
I think it's good of you to talk about because the vast majority of rifles I see for sale, they tend to have either a pencil profile or a "Govt Profile," neither of which is good for sustained accuracy (unless you get a $600+ pencil from a top mfr) and the Govt Profile has the metal in all the wrong places for anyone not adding a grenade launcher to their rifle.
@@jimmybrodriguez I remember where I was when I found out. Booth 17 when my first AR Milspec barrel walked on me. BRUTAL!! Who knew?! (Everyone but me)
Milspec = Government Profile
Do fluted barrels heat up more than a non-fluted barrel of the same profile?
Taylor just running on Cruzan time LOL. Great video
It’s Taylor’s world we’re just living in it
I didn't see or hear what the heavy profile was. Please provide the specs. Thanks! And congratulations on your sponsorship!
What spotting scope do you use?
Leupold Mark 4
I shoot gas gun in prs so my accuracy has to be quite a bit better. I know with my barrel h bar I am good. Half inch group to 3/4 until round 9, shots 10 and 11. Start dropping low. Hoping a cut rifled bull barrel will hold up better. I find that you really have to know how to reload to keep an ar sub moa.
You're kidding, right?
How long have you been shooting? How many rounds downrange? A person can jump into PRS with almost no experience, so saying you shot PRS doesn't tell much.
I have no trouble shooting 10rd sub-MOA groups with an OdinWorks 18" 3-Gun .223 Wylde, rifle length gas. Running 77gr IMI Razorcore. I watched 5 other shooters at the same Scoped Carbine course at Ridgeline do as well, without swanky Bartlein or Krieger cut rifling barrels.
If it matters -- the OW barrel is in a BCM upper, BCM MCMR rail, Mega/Expo lower, LaRue MBT-2 trigger, carbine buffer length, Sprinco Blue spring, H2 buffer. Built it myself, if that matters.
@seanoneil277 shooting one or consistent sub moa groups there is a difference.
77 grain freedom on the last string you filmed?
Yessir, I don’t know exactly which model, ill ask Taylor to comment since it’s his ammo
How does that SOLGW barrel compare to the Triarc SPR?
Can't say, haven't shot the triarc SPR
You’re the new homie hopper, Larry Vickers was the original jumping from hk to DD to bcm? You hopped Triarc, noveske, solgw
Don’t forget the cobalt I shot for the last 6 months
Cobalt kinetics too
Let’s see a SOLGW vs Noveske barrel 👀
Who was the manufacturer of the slim profile barrel?
So with that tread pitch you can’t run a 556 suppressor? Without some type of adaptor? For instance I couldn’t run my 556 RC2. That would be a deal breaker for me.
I meant to ask that same thing on his last video. I can't understand the advantage of changing the thread pitch from industry standard.
They explain the advantage of the thread pitch in their podcast but I’ve heard for a few people that the thread pitch is making them hesitant to get the barrel
@@jimmybrodriguez That's because they put their priorities backward. Wanted a can, had to have a can, then they find the can limits their barrel choices. If they'd got a 6.5 or .30 can they wouldn't have this problem, but they didn't think down the road far enough, so now they blame the barrel that otherwise they say they would buy. Bench racers, they crack me up.
What freedom ammunition are you shooting. Specs?
I’ll ask Taylor to comment. It’s his ammo.
@@jimmybrodriguez thanks jim
What about the mag changes here? Are they some proprietary, operator approved ones we aren't supposed to see?
So sounds like my spiral fluted heavy barrel in my LWRCi M6IC DI is the way to go for mag dumping and then put a precise seed in a tack
Heard a lot of nightmare stories about freedom munitions and even had some super hot 308 ammo from them that was constantly blowing primers. Have you not had any issues? Or are you using a different freedom ammo?
We've only had one sample to choose from. We've hear nightmares as well. We need more testing before we can give a long term decision.
Correct me if I am wrong. Doesn't a Can / Suppressor heat up a barrel a lot quicker in internal piston guns? Also using 2 different Cans / Suppressors could do the same?
Yes in this instance the flow through can was on the thinner profile so theoretically the traditional baffle should’ve heated up faster.
Where did you get Griffen can
At what height do you mount your LPVOs?
Jim, I'm super curious. How has the Griffin can been? Especially compared to the Huxwrx. Those are the two cans that have been on my radar but I don't know anybody that's shot a Griffin Dual-Lok
So far the griffin has been solid, but not nearly enough rounds through it to give a fair analysis. I’ve got 15k plus through hux cans along with Taylor’s 10k through his so those have been pretty awesome
Anybody know what suppressor they are using?
Congrats!
Thanks!
Are the SS barrels nitrated?
Resume is solid. Thank you me
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Interesting vid. I have a 16 inch 223 Wylde 416R Stainless Steel Hbar profile barrel. But it’s with a 1:8 twist. Thoughts on that vs your 1:7 twist? Also, what’s your preferred ammo-556 77 grain-for distance?
why not mention the actual barrel profiles used in this video? maybe i missed it
I didn’t want people to think we were trying talk negatively about a specific brand especially since I’m now shooting for solgw. The focus was on profiles and I didn’t want it to be confused with comparison of companies.
Even though it's stainless, it's nice they will stand behind it and replace it if you shoot it out in 3 years, no questions asked.
Yup solid warranty
Really good topic
Disappointed this was only 2 barrels, with 2 of the many different profiles. Would like to see multiple profiles and a singular barrel type (CHF/CL vs Stainless) compared to itself rather than compared against a different barrel entirely.
Since we’re paying out of pocket we just don’t have the budget for that. We’d be happy to if someone wants to donate uppers, but for now can only use what we currently own.
@@jimmybrodriguez lol, I hear that! Guess we're all in the same boat these days.
Mom wake up!
Jimmy put out two videos in one week! I’m not a good enough shooter to have an educated opinion on this. Just dropping likes and love for the homies
Besitos big papi
So pardon the ignorance, but what do you consider a heavy barrel? .750 heavy?
SO happy to see you on a shooting team of a good company now with SOLGW. Excellent video.
Much appreciated! I’m excited for this year
Anybody have experience with the DD S2W profile cl chf 18" barrel?
I do. In the DD pro model. I am about 1.1moa with IMI 77.
@@tyrellandonmorris07try Federal Gold BTHP SMK 77gr
@@EmpTy-kf2rqwill do. 🤝
My thinner barrels like cheap ammo match ammo doesn’t perform well which is good 😂😂😂
I know that you don't want to post what the non-SOLGW barrel was, but I think it would be important to at least show the barrel contour so that we know what the actual comparison was. There's a big difference between say a Govt profile, Criterion Core, BCM ELW, the "medium" contour stuff (Noveske CHF/SS, Hodge, Criterion Hybrid, Centurion Midweight, Sionics, BRT, etc.) and the SPR barrel in the video.
Does Barrel Profile Matter?
Thinner barrels will heat up faster and lose accuracy faster than heavier barrels. We saw this with the military transition to M4 carbines where the thinner barrels would not handle high rates of fire so they had to replace the barrels with heavier ones so barrels would not wear out as fast. Thinner may cool faster but it also heats up faster and wears faster. That is why my ARs are all HBar.
Ever since puberty, I have always said that every video needs at least one redhead, or I ain’t gunna finish. 😘
Dammit Taylor! ⏲
yep lol
L RC3, DL5 is the way to go especially with the weight!
Did I miss what ammo? Edit: In the first comparison
Black hills 77gr red box
Would like to see the rifles reversed. As a group you put a "cold shooter" straight into an accuracy test. Then was handed another rifle to conduct the same test. Not saying that the results would change. It would rule out the shooter as the largest variable.
I’ve tried responding to this 3 times and it keeps getting removed. I give up lol
All good man.
IMI 77 AND HEAVY SS MY GO TO ALSO NITRIDE HEAVY TESTING A PLAING HEAVY PAKARISED
100 yards??
Great concept but it would really help if you took your time shooting the groups and actually measured them. There is nothing I saw that convinced me the first barrel actually opened up.
Taylor you hear that you suck! Taylor has the measurements on his phone I just forgot to add them in.
@mavrikmavrik3032
6 hours ago
If you shot as often as you pretend to with your "criticisms," you would know what happened. You bench racers are so good at mocking yourselves unintentionally. If the footage you request had been posted, you'd be criticizing some ancillary thing, trying to sound expert. Poseurs, so funny.
I didn’t say anyone sucked. I did criticize your process, data collection and analysis. Anyone can make a claim, do some shooting and draw conclusions. However to actually show, with data, what you claim takes a bit more work than what you did. I would love to see a good experiment to prove one barrel does better than the other as it heats up but you will need to collect more data and show results than what you did. Personally I’ve done the heat experiment with a pencil barrel and even after a much larger sample size I still didn’t get data that convinced me the results get worse. I would love to see a good video that show this.
@@mavrikmavrik3032 Tell me what undergrad science you earned a BS in, would you please?
And then tell me where Jim said this would be a scientific test with every variable controlled.
You try to sound wise but simply look narrowminded and uninformed. If you can't draw conclusions from what Jim did in this video, you aren't as seasoned a shooter as you pretend. Which was my original point above.
Great vid. Age old question that, like most, can never be repeated enough. Practice makes you better.
Synthesizer music is killing me though. 🤭
Ask NATO if going into modern combat with pencil thin barrels mattered.
I think that... I just got.... Motion sickness..... 🤢
If remembers correctly after 20 rounds the accuracy of the rounds degrade when the barrel heats up. I remember an instructor hitting on that point while serving in the Army.
I love everyone in the comment section conveniently forgetting SOLGW marking up their mil-spec parts and rifles by like 20-30% during Covid and even now lol
why should owners take a financial hit when they can just keep the poors from owning guns?
I'm confused, what " internet lore" about thicker profile barrerls being better at sustained strings of fire were you " unsure" about and needed to do this commercial, excuse me, test, to myth bust?
Profile isn’t just overall thickness… There are many who do not know that different dimensions along the barrel have different effects. The reason we know this is because it is often asked in various forums and socials. So what’s wrong with someone making a video mentioning it. Even if it isn’t extremely scientific.
@triggernometry1 no kidding that's why the term profile Is used and not just diameter. Thanks for the input, you must be new.
@@johnadams673 you said thicker. Just wanted to clarify so you knew what the rest of us were talking about.
@triggernometry1 uhh I said thicker profile, which is correct here, the new solgw barrels, which this is a commercial for are so thick they use 30 cal thread pitch. Lol clown
@@johnadams673that’s not why they use “30 cal thread pitch” but we see you have a predetermined attitude for anyone commenting so Merry Christmas.
I'm always late but I'll always show up. always!! I try to be in time but the matrix don't allow it. Realtalk!! Ill be late to my funeral
Great video, Taylor needs professional help.
Taylor is the professional help
How are there so few views on this video?? I find lots of value in your content. Thanks for taking the time to share it.
Think you got this before it was released publicly.
How did you see this early???
Serious question. Do you just go from gun company to gun company? Weren't you with Triarc than Noveske and now SOLGW? When you review something how can we take it serious when it seems like you just shill for whoever hires you.
Happy to answer this, I’ve been pretty open about it in all my videos, but people believe what they want. I worked for Triarc when I got into the industry and started this channel after I had already been working there so naturally I made content around what I had access to. In the industry you make friends and I became friends with the guys at noveske along with one of my friends getting hired there. When Triarc fired me I wanted to distance myself from the company since so many people associated me with them. Shooting a noveske was an easy transition because of my friends. Noveske have never sponsored me nor given me any money. I only purchased one gun from them, everything else I purchased through TAG Firearms. To dispel people’s misconceptions I built out the cobalt that I shot for the last 6 months of the season, again not paid or sponsored. Looking at being more competitive next season in Quantified Performance the opportunity to shoot for SOLGW came up and I am excited for it given the new broadsword and the development it’s gone through over the last year. I have had a good relationship with Mike since my triarc days and have become friends with a few of the guys there over the last couple of years so it was an easy fit for me, as we align on a lot of things. Given that I am shooting for their team I stated in the last video I don’t think it would be ethical to “review” their gun only to show the data and allow the audience to draw their own conclusions. That’s what I’ve done here and will continue to do. Hopefully that clears up any confusion.
Serious question -- do you just randomly obsess over people's barrel choices and then go to their channel to micturate on the thread? Does your last name explain this pathetic behavior, little man?
For a fighting rifle, not really. For a precision rifle, definitely.
Of course it matters, not sure why you did a video stating the obvious.
It’s not obvious for everyone. Everyone is at different points of their shooting journey so we’re to help educate them.
so a h-bar is better ..dude people knew this 40-50 years ago this is a waste of time
Correct, but some people are new to this. We all started somewhere, we can’t assume everyone is at our level of understanding. We’re just trying help people getting into this.
who could actually take you seriously selling solgw after you shilled noveske trash the past few years?
If I shoot one thing consistently because I’m shooting competitively and trying to get better I’m a shill. If I shoot a bunch of different things I’m just jumping to the next fad and a shill. If I tell people I’m shooting for a team I’m a shill. Not much I can do about your perception or feelings. I’m using what works best for me and like I said in the video I encourage people to use whatever works for them in their context for their specific goals.
@@jimmybrodriguez This. I wish more people would STFU and run what you brung
Be a whole lot cooler if ya did
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you are considered a shill because your " opinion" is obviously bought and paid for ... you even wear the costume @@jimmybrodriguez
your boyfriend can speak for himself lil guy @@dustyrhodes1655