Seeing how long it took and how much effort is required, almost leaving a guy like you breathless really made me reconsider hand grinders. So thank you for the insight. These videos are really helpful.
LOL. I think Tom needs to go to the gym more often. I have the Timemore and can grind a full container of dark roast in 20secs without loooking like i am breaking my arm and huffing like a horse pulling a cart.
Thanks Tom, ( yet again!) This video has convinced me that I am not a hand grinder person. I can see a second electric grinder for my Dedica setup in my future. Iwas hoping for a portable solution but I am just a weakling, especially first thing in the morning when I want my coffee!
I know what you mean! Hand grinding is not the most fun thing I have ever done. In fact, I prefer the DF83 in the mornings, because it is done in 3 seconds. But that is a big grinder. For a small good grinder, I would highly recommend the Eureka Mignon line, if you can swing it. Cheers!
Good comparison! In my humble opinion, within this range of entry-level coffee grinders, the best option is the 1Zpresso X-Pro. A superior version of Jx-pro, in a more contained size.
Geez, watching you strain to grind either one, and I was considering one or the other, makes me want to get an electric Capresso Infinity Plus! I'm 73 years old with arthritis in my hands, not sure if want to be cranking like that. Thanks for doing the video, it was an eye-opener for me.
For espresso the nano is a no go. You need the fine adjustment, for you to dial in a messy shot f.ex. For pour and aero a nano or a Q2 are fine. Go for the espresso focused grinders if your into mostly that - or if your in between 1z X-pro and Jxpro are very good.. I have the JX and don't do espresso and yeah it's not easy to grind with and im far from a finer setting - but they are pretty fast, and you need to stand up and get a good stance going and more speed, so you don't stall all the time. Sitting down is way to awkward too..
@@walter-- Sure there are other variables to adjust - but 2 big of a jump in grindsize can't do that good enough imo..Ppl with cheaper espresso machines with buildin grinders, would adjust the dose as you mentioned for finicky shots
Hi Tom great content as always. I have the Jx-Pro. If I can give my 2 cents. I agree with most of what you said regarding the Jx-Pro. The wooden knob does come off though. I found out while struggling to grind a light roast bean 😅. Darker roast coffee is much easier to grind. One thing that annoys me is the rubber band. It stretches and flexes as it gets older so grip becomes an issue over time. Overall this is a really great grinder. I use it everyday and is very easy to clean. Also I have not experienced the issue you mention with the clumps of coffee left behind. Usually tapping the back with my hand gets all the ground coffee out.
Hi there Yusuf! Oh, I am surprised to hear that about the knob. Anyway, thanks for sharing! I agree that the rubber band is annoying. I ordered up a Kingrinder K4. I am curious to see how ergonomic that one is. Cheers! Tom
IDK, i grind 15gr of medium roast with the JX PRO in 20 seconds. The bigger burr just makes it easier, it just makes sense! If you were to break up a big piece of concrete would you use a framing hammer or a sledgehammer? Not to mention the leverage difference between the two.
I have Timemore C2, the lowest recommended number for espresso is 10. It failed when I use the Delonghi ECP3531 with pressurized basket. Is there anyway possible to get the finest grind for espresso using manual hand grinder? I have space issur in my kitchen...
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I put in 7g coffee powder in single basket, 30g out in just 15 sec, and not really got crema. Maybe i should put in more powder like 9g? I don't dare to go lower than number 10 as recommended, to prevent any damage to the grinder.
@@kaede_jing Well, the single baskets are more finicky to use. Maybe try the double instead. Or grind a little finer. As long as you can still rotate the grinder without any noise from the burrs, you still have enough clearance.
Nice video... i'm a timemore fan haha but the nano is not a good option for espresso, Recently i tried the new c3 Pro and work really well for espresso, is slower but more consistent... I think is the best entry level for Pour Over/espresso
Hey, I’m between C3 and C3 pro. I want to get the C3 pro because of the upgraded inner parts which are metal now. My concern is the sturdiness of the handle. Folding it is really great but i don’t know if it is sturdy and well-built enough to use for years. An other question is, is the lid metal as well? Hope you answer it! Thanks,
what burr is in the chestnut nano? Timemore has 3 versions of 38mm burr that can be replacing each other, one is the old standard burr, next is E&B burr, and the upgraded Titanium coating E&B burr. I have compared the standard one with the Titanium coated E&B in C2. The improvement is astonishing, it is much smoother, faster, in Titanium coated E&B. C2 became a totally different grinder altogether.
Hello! Thanks for that input. I have only tried with with the standard burr. Where did you get the Titanium coated one from, and how much did it cost? I would be curious to try it. 👍
@@TomsCoffeeCorner please check what burr in your Nano. Because the earlier version of Nano used a standard burr, later changed to 440steel E&B burr, which is not too much different from Titanium coated E&B. (Ti Burr is a bit smoother.)
@@hkauprentang3847 no, I only tried it in the shop, the grinding speed is faster than C2 standard (without E&B burr). that is for sure. If you need only espresso, I still rate C2+E&B burr the best speed. I think C3 burr is more emphasis on the drip flavor. It suppose to bring more fragrance from the bean.
I have my wife used the 1zpresso Q2 to grind for espresso. I thought the JX will solve her problem because she says her hand cannot grib the grinder body and becomes loose. Do you think 1zpresso JX will solve the problem or I should search for other options? If your wife tried the 1zpresso Q2, let me know what she thinks? Thanks,
I bet the Q2 is nice - I haven't tried it myself. But just beware that these hand grinders require some good effort, especially on light to medium beans. Cheers!
Great video! Just one question about the 1Zpresso JX - what is the maximum usable “coarse” (i.e., how many counter-clockwise rotations from zero position before the burrs start coming apart?)
Well, you can unscrew until the nut comes off, but I don't remember how many turns that is...this was a friends grinder. For sure though, you can go coarse enough for any method of coffee prep that you want.
Hi Tom , what machine would you recommend for simplicity, bean to cup , I normally only drink espresso or americano . Although the milk warmer frother would occasionally be used.
Hi John, while I am not really well versed in bean to cup machines, I have had some good cups from a Jura E6. Those are expensive, though. I have also used a Delonhgi Magnifica. They are fine for the money. I will have to put some more research in, to give a more informed opinion. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hi Tom many thanks for the prompt reply, I am really impressed with your review and mods to the Delonghi Dedica and also the fact that youve had one for so many years. I may decide to go this route with separate grinder. once again thanks for sharing great information.Cheers
Hi there, and thanks! Well you really cannot go wrong with 1Zpresso. The Q2 should perform well for its price. Depending on where you live, you could also consider the Kingrinder K4, for about the same price. Cheers!
I have Timemore Nano for a year. And thinking about getting a bigger grinder. I mostly doing coffee for two. So I have to grind twice. I need 24 grams. A bit more work. Knob is very annoying. But I got used to it. And it's difficult to grind fine with it. It does not grind at all at 10 clicks, 12 clicks or even 14 clicks. Manual says it should grind starting from 10 to 14 clicks for espresso. I don't care about that because I don't brew espresso. But it's something to keep in mind. If it's not capable to grind fine, better not to put it in specifications. Good portable grinder or a grinder for a single serving. Good build quality and grip. I never took it for a trip or outdoors. Not even once.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks. I'll take a look. I was thinking about the Comandante c40. But maybe something a little bit more affordable. And an update: Timemore grinds on 10-14. Turns out I installed a spacer the wrong way. It's asymmetrical and needs to be installed on the specific side. It's important to be patient while disassembling. Glad that Timemore still works and is sharp. So one more advantage: it's reliable.
Nice video for me its more convinient the small nano for the fact is small and can take everywhere. I would like to see a video of kg89 with fresh and non fresh beans, in my country is very hard to find fresh beans and they cost so much if you find. I would like to see how it goes with both i had to go 160degree in kg89 mod to get something close to a good coffee and not even fresh beans. As always pleasure to watch your videos Tom 👍😊
Thank you Rezart! What country are you in? Maybe I could recommend a bean. Really the comparison between stale and fresh beans is like a recent video I did, showing the pressure difference between pre ground and fresh beans. Pre ground beans lose their freshness very quickly. Check it out if you haven't: ruclips.net/video/-u5BtGU_8wY/видео.html
@@TomsCoffeeCorner i live in Finland. I have checked that, actually i check all yourv videos imedeliately when they come i have notification of your channel 😄
@@rezartavdyli Oh wow, Finland! That is so cool! I know some people from there, and I was there myself once. Very cool. Höga Kusten makes really good beans, in neighboring Sweden. But I am sure you can find a good roaster in Finland too. Just have a look on Google Maps in your area for coffee roasters.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner i have checked there is some but far from , but the prices has gone really hugh here conpare with other countries and is dificult to enjoy the fresh but even beens like lavazza or some finnish brands are acceptable.
When grinding real hard beans don't power through it with the 1zpresso when it hangs up. Stop, reverse a little, continue grinding. Although, I seriously feel like you had to be exaggerating that or really weak cause you were looking like me when I tried grinding unroasted beans 😂
@@TomsCoffeeCorner oh yeah, they're definitely a little harder. Just slightly more speed/momentum and grip with 3 fingers instead of a full hand so when it catches the knob slips out your fingers helps a ton so you don't mess up and strain your grinder with a ton of torque. Not super fast but a little faster and that'll take most the catches out but you don't want a death grip if it does catch then you can back up barely and go forward again. Same theory applies to a lot of cutting machinery such as brush hogs etc. If you run the tractor mower at to low of an RPM it strains the equipment when you hit slightly tougher stuff it should have cut right through from momentum & snaps the sheer pin on the drive line. Just give it a try & you'll see. I grind light roast with my 1zpresso Jx all the time no problem at all. It's grinding more beans at once with the large burr so a little more momentum is welcomed.
Thanks for watching, comments welcome! Product links in the description above. 👆🏻
Seeing how long it took and how much effort is required, almost leaving a guy like you breathless really made me reconsider hand grinders. So thank you for the insight. These videos are really helpful.
Glad I could help! Btw, the darker the roast, the easier to grind. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner for pour over grinding horizontally helps
LOL. I think Tom needs to go to the gym more often. I have the Timemore and can grind a full container of dark roast in 20secs without loooking like i am breaking my arm and huffing like a horse pulling a cart.
Thanks Tom, ( yet again!) This video has convinced me that I am not a hand grinder person. I can see a second electric grinder for my Dedica setup in my future. Iwas hoping for a portable solution but I am just a weakling, especially first thing in the morning when I want my coffee!
I know what you mean! Hand grinding is not the most fun thing I have ever done. In fact, I prefer the DF83 in the mornings, because it is done in 3 seconds. But that is a big grinder. For a small good grinder, I would highly recommend the Eureka Mignon line, if you can swing it. Cheers!
Good comparison! In my humble opinion, within this range of entry-level coffee grinders, the best option is the 1Zpresso X-Pro. A superior version of Jx-pro, in a more contained size.
Thanks for sharing! Do you have to order that one directly from Aliexpress or 1ZPresso? I have not seen that on Amazon yet.
There's also the Kingrinder K4 and 6, same burr size but significantly smaller
@@MrCharlieBros I will have to check those Kingrinders out at some point! Thanks!
Agree on the X-Pro. I also find it VERY easy to grind.
Hey Tom, you can spray a bit of water on the beans to prevent static.
Geez, watching you strain to grind either one, and I was considering one or the other, makes me want to get an electric Capresso Infinity Plus! I'm 73 years old with arthritis in my hands, not sure if want to be cranking like that. Thanks for doing the video, it was an eye-opener for me.
Yes, hand grinding takes a fair amount of effort, and if you have arthritis, I definitely can recommend against it. Cheers!
For espresso the nano is a no go. You need the fine adjustment, for you to dial in a messy shot f.ex. For pour and aero a nano or a Q2 are fine. Go for the espresso focused grinders if your into mostly that - or if your in between 1z X-pro and Jxpro are very good.. I have the JX and don't do espresso and yeah it's not easy to grind with and im far from a finer setting - but they are pretty fast, and you need to stand up and get a good stance going and more speed, so you don't stall all the time. Sitting down is way to awkward too..
You don't think you can play with the weight to get the correct timing?
@@walter-- Sure there are other variables to adjust - but 2 big of a jump in grindsize can't do that good enough imo..Ppl with cheaper espresso machines with buildin grinders, would adjust the dose as you mentioned for finicky shots
I have the Timemore C3esp pro Which is great for espresso grinding
Hi Tom great content as always. I have the Jx-Pro. If I can give my 2 cents. I agree with most of what you said regarding the Jx-Pro. The wooden knob does come off though. I found out while struggling to grind a light roast bean 😅. Darker roast coffee is much easier to grind. One thing that annoys me is the rubber band. It stretches and flexes as it gets older so grip becomes an issue over time. Overall this is a really great grinder. I use it everyday and is very easy to clean. Also I have not experienced the issue you mention with the clumps of coffee left behind. Usually tapping the back with my hand gets all the ground coffee out.
Hi there Yusuf! Oh, I am surprised to hear that about the knob. Anyway, thanks for sharing! I agree that the rubber band is annoying. I ordered up a Kingrinder K4. I am curious to see how ergonomic that one is. Cheers! Tom
IDK, i grind 15gr of medium roast with the JX PRO in 20 seconds. The bigger burr just makes it easier, it just makes sense! If you were to break up a big piece of concrete would you use a framing hammer or a sledgehammer? Not to mention the leverage difference between the two.
Thank you for rating the wife acceptance factor. I'm a petite lady with small hands. I would not be able to grip the Jx-Pro. Nano for me.
Haha, you bet! The Jx Pro was too big for both my wife, and kids to turn.
I have Timemore C2, the lowest recommended number for espresso is 10. It failed when I use the Delonghi ECP3531 with pressurized basket. Is there anyway possible to get the finest grind for espresso using manual hand grinder? I have space issur in my kitchen...
So what was the problem? Did nothing come out? If so, then grind coarser. You can also experiment with a nice IMS unpressurized basket. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I put in 7g coffee powder in single basket, 30g out in just 15 sec, and not really got crema. Maybe i should put in more powder like 9g? I don't dare to go lower than number 10 as recommended, to prevent any damage to the grinder.
@@kaede_jing Well, the single baskets are more finicky to use. Maybe try the double instead. Or grind a little finer. As long as you can still rotate the grinder without any noise from the burrs, you still have enough clearance.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks Tom! I will experiment with it and let you know!
@@kaede_jingto get a good espresso u need to use a double cup basket and put 15 grams of coffe
Nice video... i'm a timemore fan haha but the nano is not a good option for espresso, Recently i tried the new c3 Pro and work really well for espresso, is slower but more consistent...
I think is the best entry level for Pour Over/espresso
Thanks for sharing, Eduardo! I have heard good things about the C3 Pro...I will have to look into that one. Cheers!
Hey, I’m between C3 and C3 pro. I want to get the C3 pro because of the upgraded inner parts which are metal now. My concern is the sturdiness of the handle. Folding it is really great but i don’t know if it is sturdy and well-built enough to use for years. An other question is, is the lid metal as well? Hope you answer it! Thanks,
what burr is in the chestnut nano?
Timemore has 3 versions of 38mm burr that can be replacing each other, one is the old standard burr, next is E&B burr, and the upgraded Titanium coating E&B burr.
I have compared the standard one with the Titanium coated E&B in C2.
The improvement is astonishing, it is much smoother, faster, in Titanium coated E&B.
C2 became a totally different grinder altogether.
Hello! Thanks for that input. I have only tried with with the standard burr. Where did you get the Titanium coated one from, and how much did it cost? I would be curious to try it. 👍
@@TomsCoffeeCorner please check what burr in your Nano. Because the earlier version of Nano used a standard burr, later changed to 440steel E&B burr, which is not too much different from Titanium coated E&B. (Ti Burr is a bit smoother.)
Ok, how do I check? It is a normal steel color, not the fancy gold or blue...
Hey, have you tried timemore c3? If you did, how is it compared to c2 in regards of grinding for espresso? In terms of grind time and size
@@hkauprentang3847 no, I only tried it in the shop, the grinding speed is faster than C2 standard (without E&B burr). that is for sure. If you need only espresso, I still rate C2+E&B burr the best speed. I think C3 burr is more emphasis on the drip flavor. It suppose to bring more fragrance from the bean.
Great video, Great tips , either way it's a workout 💪
I have my wife used the 1zpresso Q2 to grind for espresso. I thought the JX will solve her problem because she says her hand cannot grib the grinder body and becomes loose. Do you think 1zpresso JX will solve the problem or I should search for other options? If your wife tried the 1zpresso Q2, let me know what she thinks? Thanks,
I bet the Q2 is nice - I haven't tried it myself. But just beware that these hand grinders require some good effort, especially on light to medium beans. Cheers!
Great video!
Just one question about the 1Zpresso JX - what is the maximum usable “coarse” (i.e., how many counter-clockwise rotations from zero position before the burrs start coming apart?)
Well, you can unscrew until the nut comes off, but I don't remember how many turns that is...this was a friends grinder. For sure though, you can go coarse enough for any method of coffee prep that you want.
Hi Tom , what machine would you recommend for simplicity, bean to cup , I normally only drink espresso or americano . Although the milk warmer frother would occasionally be used.
Hi John, while I am not really well versed in bean to cup machines, I have had some good cups from a Jura E6. Those are expensive, though. I have also used a Delonhgi Magnifica. They are fine for the money. I will have to put some more research in, to give a more informed opinion. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hi Tom many thanks for the prompt reply, I am really impressed with your review and mods to the Delonghi Dedica and also the fact that youve had one for so many years. I may decide to go this route with separate grinder. once again thanks for sharing great information.Cheers
Very informative !
Thanks for watching, Alexander!
I learn a lot with our videos. Do you recommend 1zpresso q2? My budget is kind of limited
Hi there, and thanks! Well you really cannot go wrong with 1Zpresso. The Q2 should perform well for its price. Depending on where you live, you could also consider the Kingrinder K4, for about the same price. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks for answer every question. I live in Portugal
Please compare brewing ekspresso on this 2
I have Timemore Nano for a year. And thinking about getting a bigger grinder. I mostly doing coffee for two. So I have to grind twice. I need 24 grams. A bit more work. Knob is very annoying. But I got used to it. And it's difficult to grind fine with it. It does not grind at all at 10 clicks, 12 clicks or even 14 clicks. Manual says it should grind starting from 10 to 14 clicks for espresso. I don't care about that because I don't brew espresso. But it's something to keep in mind. If it's not capable to grind fine, better not to put it in specifications. Good portable grinder or a grinder for a single serving. Good build quality and grip. I never took it for a trip or outdoors. Not even once.
I can recommend the K4 by kingrinder. It can fit 32 grams, and it's a delight to use: ruclips.net/video/-Aj9i8QGUKo/видео.html
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks. I'll take a look. I was thinking about the Comandante c40. But maybe something a little bit more affordable. And an update: Timemore grinds on 10-14. Turns out I installed a spacer the wrong way. It's asymmetrical and needs to be installed on the specific side. It's important to be patient while disassembling. Glad that Timemore still works and is sharp. So one more advantage: it's reliable.
@@zhvn89 Commandante is really expensive in my opinion. But it's made in Germany, so nice quality.
Nice video for me its more convinient the small nano for the fact is small and can take everywhere. I would like to see a video of kg89 with fresh and non fresh beans, in my country is very hard to find fresh beans and they cost so much if you find. I would like to see how it goes with both i had to go 160degree in kg89 mod to get something close to a good coffee and not even fresh beans. As always pleasure to watch your videos Tom 👍😊
Thank you Rezart! What country are you in? Maybe I could recommend a bean. Really the comparison between stale and fresh beans is like a recent video I did, showing the pressure difference between pre ground and fresh beans. Pre ground beans lose their freshness very quickly. Check it out if you haven't: ruclips.net/video/-u5BtGU_8wY/видео.html
@@TomsCoffeeCorner i live in Finland. I have checked that, actually i check all yourv videos imedeliately when they come i have notification of your channel 😄
@@rezartavdyli Oh wow, Finland! That is so cool! I know some people from there, and I was there myself once. Very cool. Höga Kusten makes really good beans, in neighboring Sweden. But I am sure you can find a good roaster in Finland too. Just have a look on Google Maps in your area for coffee roasters.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner i have checked there is some but far from , but the prices has gone really hugh here conpare with other countries and is dificult to enjoy the fresh but even beens like lavazza or some finnish brands are acceptable.
See if you can find Lavazza Aromatico. That is my favorite by them.
Would you compare the 1zpresso q2 with timemore nano since both of them are fit in the aeropress?
Oooh, if I get my hands on a Q2, then sure that would be nice to try. 👍
No need to, the Q2 hepta wins by a big margin.
The 1zpresso can do Turkish grind. Can the timemore? Thanks
I wouldn't have tried with my model, because the burrs were not 100% aligned. The finest I could go was for espresso. Maybe the C3 though.
can you also do electric grinder with budget of 150 below
Oh boy, that's gonna be hard. Which market are you in? I really think you should save up $250 for a Eureka Manuale.
When grinding real hard beans don't power through it with the 1zpresso when it hangs up. Stop, reverse a little, continue grinding. Although, I seriously feel like you had to be exaggerating that or really weak cause you were looking like me when I tried grinding unroasted beans 😂
Haha, well I was grinding light roasted beans for the first time, and I was surprised how much harder they are to grind!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner oh yeah, they're definitely a little harder. Just slightly more speed/momentum and grip with 3 fingers instead of a full hand so when it catches the knob slips out your fingers helps a ton so you don't mess up and strain your grinder with a ton of torque. Not super fast but a little faster and that'll take most the catches out but you don't want a death grip if it does catch then you can back up barely and go forward again. Same theory applies to a lot of cutting machinery such as brush hogs etc. If you run the tractor mower at to low of an RPM it strains the equipment when you hit slightly tougher stuff it should have cut right through from momentum & snaps the sheer pin on the drive line. Just give it a try & you'll see. I grind light roast with my 1zpresso Jx all the time no problem at all. It's grinding more beans at once with the large burr so a little more momentum is welcomed.
I cheat and use a drill bit for my Javapress manual grinder. Takes less than a minute. 😂
time more c3 or 1zpresso q2?
I honestly prefer the K4.
Nice comparison, next time measure your heart rate, lol
Haha, yes that would be one more data point. 😉
Eyeglasses from coffee grounds.
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