The True Cost Of Restoring My Ferrari! |
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Hey Sam. I haven't commented in a while, but, i would just like to say, this is exactly the type of content i love! Real world make-overs with recommendations. Thank you so much! I hope everything is going well on your side
I got my sticky buttons in my 575 cleaned to perfection with a product called Desolvit, lightly rubbed onto the button at a cost of $4.50
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An easy 5000 pounds saved. :D Its also very unlikely that you can rip the interiour of an 20 year old italian car apart and not have any rattles afterwards.
Oh god please let Sam see this before 4grand goes down the drain
@@minkailulamin1304 Sam might be replacing the buttons, they looked a bit scuffed up
@@thomasbailey4139 Fair enough. Ferrari ownership is something else…4 grand for buttons. I
If it's worth it to you then it's worth it Sam. This is a keeper after all. I'm really liking this series.
i love that youre willing to put all this money into the car you love, if i had such a car i would want it to be in as good shape as possible.
6 hours for swaping the undertray and changing the motor mounts!!! It took me much less doing it myself and I do not have a lift!
My Brother was quoted 10 hours( at around £120 p/h ) by Porsche to replace the roof on his Boxster . I took it to a Spec London outfit and they called me 5 hours later to tell me it was ready ! The cost . £750 .
By the book hours for maximum profits although they all know it can be done faster lol. Typical shop tactics. If they are honest, they’d quote him but then only charge him for the actual time.
My uncle owns a Ferrari 360 since it first released back then. He still has it till this day. His family keeps telling him to sell it since the car has had a few problems. A recent problem he had was the key not working properly so he couldn't get into the car unless he used the master key and other problems as well. The key issue happend after he filled his Ferrari at the local gas station. The car was working fine but decided to not work after filling up. Since he didn't have the master key with him he had to ask his son to drive and deliver the master key to him in order to get it to work again. The main reason why my Uncle doesn't want to sell it despite its maitanence cost is because the Ferrari 360 was his first Ferrari he purchased after working hard and becoming successful.
It'll all be worth it Sam and it's in great hands with DK!
It will be worth it for the garage yes.
Enzo’s Revenge is damn hilarious. Makes it sound like the car’s haunted.
Hey Sam , would just like to share my experience with the sticky buttons in my F430. Sent my car to an interior restoring/cleaning specialist and he had a service that removed the coating that causes the sticky mess and refinished the surface with a material that will not get sticky. By replacing the effected parts with new items from Ferrari , the sticky situation is likely to reappear in a year or two. Just sharing , great video btw love any of your content when it involves a ferrari lol. Cheers
When you're thinking that 8 grand is a massive bill, you have to compare it to the depreciation you'd be dealing with if you had a newer car that wouldn't need 8 grand of repairs. These are the kind of jobs that by doing them, you're keeping the value of your classic at or above what you paid for it. Don't do it and watch the other 360's that do get the work done start being more appealing than yours.
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These guys are amazing mechanics, but they're also amazingly good at overcharging. How can it take 2 hours to replace an undertray?
An undertray that will already be off to gain access to the other parts being changed?
@@zp-1107 good point how can they justify 2hours labour to remove and fit the undertray
4 hours for 4 brake hoses?! 6-9 hours for two anti-roll bars?!
There is something about having imperfections though, like after you paint it and have it 100% will you be wanting to drive it as much? Its like when you know there is some little querks and its not as flashy and nice you feel better about taking it on that rainy road trip, the random shotty road etc. Takes that stress and ocd off! Just curious if this has ever crossed your mind Sam?!
Anyways always love these 360 videos, that too was my poster car! Cant wait to see more of your adventures!
Exactly. Imperfections means it’s alive and being used
@@TheJStoney there’s imperfections and character then there are just things that piss you off like sticky buttons every time you touch them, Sam’s right to get this all fixed.
Such a classy video. This is a proper Ferrari shop and your car will be surprisingly refreshed. I so prefer this to all the RUclipsrs putting on wide body kits and big wheels.
Thankyou very much Sam for providing us with the full estimate of works and also for breaking down the individual costs. You should be certainly commended for your transparency, the originality it's so so refreshing Sam. You have gained an even more loyal subscriber for your wise actions.
This is why car people are very special people but Ferrari people are exceptional and Sam with your incredible piece of motoring art is so well worth spending your money on. To own one is my one of my goals before I go boots up and to keep it in a similar condition. All the very best and see you when the world returns to somewhat normal back down in New Zealand
I recon it’s a good call on the resto for the sticky buttons and other interior bits and bobs, Sam. It’s not only have it to feel them, but the fact that they’ll all look so good once done. Looking forward to the reveal mate👍🏻
Sam fully agree especially sticky buttons, not to same extent but the very first job I did on my recently purchased 997.1 was to replace the Aircon switches which suffered from the common paint peel - for me such a simple fix made the interior just look so much better 😎
Thanks for show casing the classic cars from dk Great to see they are still around and being kept in great condition
There are a couple of places in U.S. that strip and restore the sticky buttons so this doesn't happen and still has the same feel. No need to replace them. The new ones from Ferrari come needing the sticky removal sometimes. Try Orbis Trading out of Texas.
The undertray probably would be coming off for the ARB and engine mounts anyway. Charging an extra 190 quid to put them back on is scandalous.
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“Probably”
£190 labour to replace under tray ? Seriously!
I’m sure there are places that can fix the sticky button thing without replacing the switches.
There definitely are. Far cheaper but longer turnaround.
Or just do it yourself. The same thing affected my Alfa GT as well as my 360 and there are DIY fixes for both cars.
I think Hoovie did something like to this 456.
@@Kxji I think that's where I've seen it 👍
I did my E46 M3 buttons myself but there are several places that can do them to ''as new' for way way less than the parts cost. Same for flocking the door seal. Fixing that is about £30 max!
DK are good Sam. Best mods we did were the Challenge rear grill you already have, the Challenge BBS wheels and switched the headlights to those from a black car (thank you JP) to get the darker look without cracking open the lens. We haven't had sticky buttons...yet. I want Challenge carbon interior bits next but it's expensive and more involved than I realised.
To be fair, the cambelt service on the 355 is an extra grand every three years so I don't think it is the dealbreaker people make it out to be
Extra, on top of what I’m curious? My 360 cambelt and service was £1500 and no engine out.
The legend of Jay himself!!
@@alamosabill201 Meridien Modena quoted £2700 for full engine out cambelt service on a 355, same thing on a 360 is about 1700.
@@alamosabill201 extra on top of the normal service bills, bro come on!
Congrats with the 944!
Hi Sam. Thanks so much for another great video. I'm more of a Porsche fanatic. However who doesn't appreciate a beautiful Farrari. I honestly cant understand why you're not presenting on British national television. The delivery and content on the channel are tip-top to say the least. Keep up the great work🇮🇪
I’m waiting for the 612 buying series when you start thinking about lugging around the family in a couple of years time! :-)
thx for putting my 996.1 manual bills into perspective and validating why my Lexus GSF (5.0 na V8 w proper torque vectoring diff) is the way to go so I can afford to retire in the next decade.
Sam, check out Stipt Polish Point in the Netherlands for your sticky parts.
Nice to see you take care of the 360.
This is one of the things that make me like your videos.
Your personality and that you usually keep your cars around for a while.
Keep up the good work.
You’re getting ripped off with those labour times on every single item. Two hours to change an undertray! Crazy
I'm not mad at the labour rate or price of parts but 2 hrs to replace the belly pan....please 20 mins max! I'm sure you'll love the end product though
Agree with your plan Sam! While not inexpensive, these small improvements make for a safer, more solid and enjoyable ownership. It is your Ferrari... !
Great video Sam, people who are honest with themselves about their cars will go to the extent of what you are doing - it is a credit to your attention to detail that you've gone to the extents you have!
You can get the buttons refurbished for a FRACTION of that price. There’s plenty of literature on these in Ferrari and Maserati forums. Spending 4K for new ones is utter madness when you have people with the craftsmanship to sort it properly.
I love this series. You have a special car and the money spent on it will be worth it in the future. The values on these cars will only go up especially on well kept cars like yours. Keep up the great content! 👍
2 hours to unbolt and rebolt an undertray! Taking the piss or what?
I trust since having all this work done on your 360 you’re going to have the rattling engine lid rectified??
Not sure why Aldous at AV engineering isn’t doing this work? He seems top notch - DK seem more like the sort of place that charges you the earth to pay for their fancy premises.
I also know someone who used to work for DK, and he told me some awful stories about them. That was some time ago however.
if you watch from 0:38 he explains why
Their labour costs are what they are, and Sam will know what that is, it will take as long as it takes, and genuine parts seem fair in price. I just dent my 21 y/o motorbikes tank irreparably, can't get one new or second hand in my colour, and new in the wrong colour would still be over £900, just for comparison on some of these parts costs.
What kind of awful stories?
@@cw5900 I bet it's all the usual workshop storirs. As with any business they probably cleaned it up as soon as it came up. Any workshop that is this general will fuck it up several times or make poor judgement errors. DK has had the advantage of decades of experience and clients that let them do things the best they can regardless of money.
Others peoples opinion doesn’t matter, I completely agree with you get it done right rather than getting annoyed and wasting your time and risk damage, it’s hard to find someone who cares about your car like you do, I trust 2 establishments with my car and I will never change for price, I don’t have a super car but I love my car anyway 😂 damage is annoying and rather than live with it I’d rather repair it too
What an absolute treat it is not only watching but listening to your videos Sam, keep them coming.
Sam you don’t have to replace the buttons. That’s a ridiculous price. There’s a guy in Maryland, US that’s famous in the Ferrari community for refurbishing the buttons in a better quality coating. The only problem is turn around time because he may have a long waitlist. “Sticky No More”. Look him up. Or talk to JayEmm about it because he may have a guy in the UK that can handle it since I think he had the same problem on his 550.
Only repaint it when you're ready to sell it, keep the patina as long as you can, it looks well used and I'm sure you're going to be hesitant to use it if it becomes perfect
ruclips.net/video/V2kA4MiLVoI/видео.html
Sam totally worth it if it's a car you plan on keeping in not selling. Plus lot stuff you mentioned are thing that general repair items as cars get older. Keep the work
Thanks for being so honest about the prices Ferrari repair is no joke. I know about your frustrations with the little things and good to keep stuff nice. This type of stuff like door flock or trim annoys me too. Will be all amazing when done. F355 heaven in there engine out stuff is nightmare I hear.
If you have missing paint or rust then go ahead and get it body worked and repainted . But if all the paint is still there then a good quality paint correction is all you should really need . And original factory paint only makes it worth more . I've seen some pretty sad looking paint get brought back to better than new using wet sanding and polishing .
Honestly Sam, I like your 360 with manual transmission.
I'd go for the same car in blue with drop top. On rural roads these cars are more than quick enough.
The brake hoses will cross over to something totally differnt more than likely £30 for the 4 and get the anti roll bars shot blasted and powder coated ive done this on various old Italian cars and wheels i get done inc Porsche & Ferrari rims £240 ....
I always enjoy seeing 360 content on the channel Sam, some of my favourite videos.
Honestly the labor costs aren’t nearly as bad as I was expecting.
Great to have an idea of how much it really costs to run & keep an iconic Ferrari 360 looking its best!!!!! Good video Sam!
Sticky buttons are no good. I’m with you . They feel like they are turning into liquid.
I would go for challenge stradale rear grill and rear bumper. Other than that its perfect
You’ll make your money back with a DK refresh as you have a manual 360. Nice vid! Thx
1) Someone posted a link below (which I can't find) about "stick button repairers" in the USA. If someone can repost would be much appreciated.
2) £90 a n hour is less than a main dealer which is something like £130?
3) Always check the "official" times for changing parts. Some of these seem OTT and NO-ONE charges full hours anymore. 1/4 OR 1/2 HOUR breakdowns.
Restoring a classic car:
Step1. Remortgage the house,
Step 2. Get work done,
Step 3. Buy wife an enormous gift by way of compensation,
Step 4. Forget how much money you have just spent and remember to appreciate how lucky you are for an understanding wife.
Step 5. Enjoy!
Great video, good luck with the restoration.
The voice of experience. You can skip step 1 but never skip step 2 and 3 (especially 3!).
You are dead right with what you are doubt to the 360, kudos to you! Keeps your ahead of the pack without it needing to become a trailer queen.
Keeping up with the maintenance, wise decision, especially since your car is a long-termer.
When you get back form your hols, any plans for a Seen Through Glass Autumn and Winter
looking foward video? (plans, what to expect, must-get-done, that sort of thing) And I hope
that you enter TGE's classic car giveaways, green Porsche at STG HQ for the 2022 season!
DK is the place for Ferraris. Re colours - Kidston just did a video with a Ferrari historian who said the road cars were rarely red in the 50s and 60s.
DK Engineering is so next level!
I work for an audi main dealer in the UK, hourly labour rate is £180. Less than £95 an hour seems like such a bargain for such an experienced technician to work on a car like this!
mate dont spend that money on sticky buttons. The internet is full with ways to fix it. Because it doesnt only happpen to ferrari's it happens to all italian brands of that era. I guess they want to recplace every button. Which is offcourse expensive as hell, but you should only consider that when it becomes a real collecitable. It aint worth it right now.
Managed to sort a few of the mentioned issues myself on mine. Shame you wasn't at the secret meet for a rev battle!
Watching a nice car being restored is therapeutic for car people
Car meditation 🙏🚘⛽
You don’t have to explain yourself to us mate. We’re on your side. This is your forever car, make it perfect!! Annoying things on cars annoy you every day - fix them or sell it.
Sundays and seen through glass. Perfect. 👍🏼
Well done Sam, I totally get where you are coming from....I would find the tactile bits equally annoying.
More annoying is that they fitted cheap crappy 'FIAT' quality switchgear in the first place!
This wouldn't have happened on the 60's cars (i.e. the 330 GTC - my personal favourite). I noticed the faux aluminium (plastic bits in the cabin) have become scratched too.
Awesome video sam! Keep up the good work.
Next up 1h labour to fit wiper blades ....lol
You are right to do the work, I hate sticky buttons
My Porsche 911 also had sticky buttons but thank god only had two buttons that had it. Not the lot! Hilarious that buttons are the most expensive bits on the invoice vs so many other items..
Easily the best and most interesting content. What a place
A 360 that doesn't need a clutch wow you must have the godlike foot :0
For paint maybe Topaz skin? Then you can go crazy with exclusive Ferrari paint
It’s great Sam that you are taking such good care of your 360, too many are not given the love and attention you are giving it, a future classic that your are enjoying and appreciating now in the best possible way. I salute you….
Thank you for this video your new subscriber from Los Angeles California USA.
there are other companies out there repairing and etching in all the details on the sticky buttons spraying in those grooves white then covering them all in non sticky paint and they charge nowhere near 4g. If they are just buying new old stock buttons what's going to happen when it happens again.
Sticky buttons/knobs are due to plasticizer migration and leakage from the bulk polymer and wiping or dissolving from the surface is not a durable solution.
That 250 is absolutely gorgeous!!! Can you do a detailing video on it🥺🥺🥺
Spending £ like a drunken sailor. I’m sorry but the works you contemplate do not call for DK expertise and their rates.
Eh, when you're posh you can't be seen going anywhere else.
Sticky Plastics UK refurb all sticky buttons and panels. Looks totally original and doesn’t cost a fortune.
Very interesting video Sam 👍
That’s a BEAUTIFUL showroom and I can see why you trust them with you 360!
Normal Guy Supercar did a video on buttons showing how to do it yourself for free essentially. If they charge 3g for that, their thieves.
Sticky RX (USA) or Carplastix in the Czech Republic. Don't waste money buying new switchgear, bizarrely they still make them covered in the same crap that you've got now and will go sticky again. Send them away to either of the companies mentioned for a permanent and better solution than brand new.
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. In the past I felt at some point I would purchase a car similar to this, but after this video, the cost of some parts and the labour, I am 100% not going by to start a journey like that. I have two kids and money would be better spent on them than spending the cost of a car to maintain a car. When the time comes, I will get a 600cc sports bike instead from circa 2013 for £5k instead.
There's a place in America they can refurbish those buttons and plastic interer parts. I think there in FL not sure. Ask Hoovies
You should take care of your car. The value of a manual 360 is just going up and up. I have a 430 and the buttons were taken car of along with my motor mounts. I need to do my drivers door seal too I freaked out of the cost of the seal. Just ridiculous. I have to wait on that repair for now due to my budget.
Not sure why anyone would think you’re mad for fixing up your 360? Ppl spend $100K or more restoring their cars. It’s all about what the car means to you. I for one think it’s great!
You’ve taken your car to the best in the business, well worth the investment, sure you will love it when the work is done
I believe there are people than can fix the sticky button problem. Look at average guy supercar or the car wizard, I am pretty sure one of them knows a company that can resolve that problem. £4k to replace seems a bit heavy !
For anyone saying this is a lot to spend, I spent at least 75% this much on my old Fiat Coupe (though part of this was a small accident repair), and that was just repairs & diagnostics in order to keep the thing running. Then the engine blew. Old cars are expensive ;-) I'd consider this pretty good value for keeping a Ferrari in top notch condition.
Roger Collingwood at Kent High Performance can do the 'sticky buttons' in house for a fraction of the cost quoted by DK. He did my 550 Maranello last year and its great.
KHP know their stuff too. Often used to pop by to have a look when I'm at Brands Hatch.
Cheaper than buying a newer Ferrari, i’m thinking of doing similar with my 16 year old Boxster. A newer Boxster doesn’t add much so refreshing my current car for a few K doesn’t seem like a bad option… (well until I can afford an Emira…)
Sam I don’t expect you’re much of a spanner man, 190 quid to fit the undertray, I must have saved myself hundreds as I’ve had mine off several times, mine’s 20 years old in December, at the moment I’m fitting a new passenger door lock, must’ve saved me ££££ on labour and I’m 69.
Good episode Sam. Always enjoy your content.
Resto mod still counts as if you modify a little on your car?? like different aero stuff
Cause im planning on doing that when i have my own "classic" dream car?
How much for a bunch of plastic switches!!!! I hope they changed the chemical compound on the new ones, or is it something you have to do every couple of years?
A bank holiday and a 360 video could this morning be any more glorious
Great project and glad the 360 is getting the love and attention it deserves. You must have come into an inheritance or the RUclips revenue has gone up to spend so much on the sticky buttons though!