Berlingo - Can I fix it? No! 500-mile roadtrip anyway? YES!
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- I try to fix my Berlingo's poor running at low revs, fail, and take it on a 500-mile roadtrip anyway. Can I fit a new fuel filter housing?
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Top tip… when opening a bag of cable ties, break open the middle (not the end)
Then they can’t spill out.
Great advice! I genuinely have never thought of that, my tool trolley is currently shedding cable ties wherever it goes in our workshop 😋
Or
Remove them all and use 1 to wrap around all the others and tighten it as you use them.
Yup, I'm feeling like a right narna 🤦♂️ Only been in the blasted job 17 years!
@@brianiswrong why waste a tie?
If I wasn’t paying for them I’d do, and have done it your way ;)
I poke a hole in the corner of the bag with a cable tie and pull it out, which leaves a hole just big enough to get a cable tie out but not so big they all pour out. I do the same with welder tips, and bags of screws and bolts.
That was quite a paragraph of boringness that I've written there.
Seems worth posting anyway.
Useful, init.
You’ve taken the right car in my opinion. Was worried about Betty making it and getting salted. Don’t forget to go for a little test drive “to test your eye sight” when you get to Barnard Castle, like that dodgy political adviser did!
Was going to mention about getting an eye test too
haha beat me to it: :)
Idea for diagnostics: get a jar of vaseline. Smear every part that you think might suck air into it with a thick layer of vaseline. The vaseline will temporarily block small holes and any porosity in the hoses, elbows and such. Do it bit by bit so you know that you hit the porous/broken part when the bubbles stop.
Yes I agree, I said take it apart and smear seals/orings and threads with silicon grease, very similar to vaseline. I didn't think about doing the pipes too, makes sense though.
@@astafford8865 if the rubber is suitable for hydrocarbons in liquid form (diesel fuel, gasoline) it is suitable for hydrocarbons in solid form (vaseline).
It is correct that rubber can potentially be damaged by oil, but if it's literally meant to send oil through, it'll be fine.
If ever there were a model video showing how to drive correctly on the motorway, returning back in to the left lane once you’ve overtaken.
Obsessive
Even when Bella is feeling slightly "off-colour" she still got you there. Excellent vehicles! Vive le magnifique Berlingo!😊
It's a similar problem I had on my daughter's C2 hdi & I cured it by replacing the fuel pipe as on the c2 you can buy it in sections,it turned out to be the one that ran behind the engine where a anchorage Clip had broken leaving the pipe to vibrate & rub against the side of the engine.
Those pipes do get brittle Ian.
Perhaps a good injector system purge with some liqui Moly would greatly benefit Bella,that stuff works miracles 👍
Is this in the video the Berlingo C2 1,4 HDI 68 HP Diesel? I heard it is recommended for fuel efficiency (5 liters / 100 kilometer). But over here in Germany we have a problem with older Diesel to enter some city areas. I could buy this Berlingo anytime at 1800 Euro in very good condition.
I´m not sure if I better buy a Berlingo not running on Diesel 🤔
@@rheinerftvideo2647 it's a 2L here
I find it amazing that the protective ends of the housing matched your hat's Hubnut logo and the spanner matched both the Berlingo and the tarp. This is quality content.
You can get the injectors tested anywhere that has a machine to do so (any diesel specialist should have one). Worth the small amount to have that done before firing the parts canon in that direction…
"Triangle of doom wiper pervert" is genuinly the best thing i have heard for a long time. Genuinely snort laughed
Common rail injectors wear just the same as older mechanical / pressure system types. The big difference is that each coil fired injector is calibrated generating a code indicating the flow volume and latency for the ECU. The code lets the ECU interpret and adjust the delivery quantity and timing according to load / demand, it doesn't take long for the calibration to start diverging from the actual performance (I've changed low hours injectors and tested them on larger commercial engines), so if they're 180k, it's perhaps asking a lot. Up&Down did a very good treatise on rubber hoses recently, appropriate perhaps. Lovely susnset to relax you before bed, thanks.
The French auto worker says when the job is too easy "We must make it harder so the English RUclipsr goes mad"
Glad you put note up that it was ‘Sped up footage’ I thought you had pedal to the metal and Bella had blew her bubbles out.
I took my 2010 Citroën C5 HDI on a 500km road trip for Australia day. This has a later derivative of Bella's engine. The EGR valve is at the front, somewhat easier to get to, and an in tank low pressure fuel pump, so where Bella is leaking air in, mine would be leaking diesel out. She just ticked over 190 000km. Last major service my Citroën specialist took out, cleaned and resealed the injectors. I run almost exclusively on premium diesel. I don't know about Old West Wales, but here in New South Wales I can get premium for a few cents more than ordinary diesel. The fact that I use slightly less fuel with premium means I actually save money. YMMV.
Had a Mk3 Megane with the 1.9 dci engine and that showed bubbles in the fuel line but ran perfectly for the 5 years I owned it 👍
Aside from the triangle of doom on the Berlingo I was more worried about the crack of concern right in the drivers zone of the windscreen
Great content as usual Ian
Might be worth taking Bella to a diesel engine specialist to check the pump or injectors condition.
bung a bolt into the far end of the output pipe to bung it up... pump the system up with the bulb to pressurise it... see where the fluid comes out.. that will be where the air is getting in when it is sucking.
17:48 Oooh, Daihatsu materia! Nice!
So i had an mk2 vauxhall astra van years ago that had this exact problem, i couldn't find where the air was getting in, so i ended up replacing both lines from the tank with beer pump hard plastic line pipe & putting a large gorse in-line filter in it, never had a problem again an ran like a dream!
When i've had the problem before, peugeot specialist brovethon fixed mine with the pipes going in and out of the housing, told me that's always what let's air into the lines on these. I'd put the old housing back on non genuine parts cause more problems most of the time
Great content. I never knew I wanted a berlingo so much. So practical .
Had mine 7 yrs and best car ever owned. A sprightly 1.6 petrol 115 bhp
Our 206SW 2.0L HDI (54 plate) is very much a Bella when it comes to injectors and alike. Something isn't quite right with it especially when running at lower speeds/RPMs but happily cruises along at greater speeds (which we don't mind). Also a car with over 180,000+ miles on the clock so may need a new set of injectors. But as they say 'because French'.
On the Daihatsu Materia, I'd never seen one before until last year when I noticed one parked up near my local supermarket, then I walked up the road and there was another parked up literally 200m from it. Never seen one before in my life and there are two on one street.
It’s great to see Bella having an outing, despite the mechanical gremlins, I really enjoyed the road trip too!!.
My 406 2.0 HDI 90 BHP got to 275,000 miles on the same old injectors, and was only scrapped because my GF flat-out refused to allow me to do a head gasket replacement on the driveway.
Whereas my Renault Master DCi 2.5L has had two injectors replaced, one at the 190,000 and another at 200,000 miles.
I had an issue with air leaking into the diesel line on the Renault Master, which turned out to be due to the rubber priming bulb; the non-return/check-valve connectors on the rubber valve were no longer sealing well enough, and rubber had perished.
Hope you had aa fab trip.
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I'm not enough diesel mechanic to help you with the Bella problem.
Thanks for the nice road trip, that's how I see a lot of the UK.
Lovely to see you paying us a visit in sunny Kendal!! I think I’d have lost my mind if I saw Bella in the wild unexpectedly, nice to see her being used again!
Regular washing and waxing is the secret to keeping tin worm at bay from the dreaded gritters. My 17 year old Skoda lives outside all year round, and is driven all year round, but is remarkably solid all round for a old car with 198K on the clock. Why? I wash and wax every (or nearly every) weekend. Get the hose under the sills and in the wheel arches, give the body a shampoo with Triplewax, and you will greatly extend the life of your car's structure. The original paint on mine is still amazingly bright to boot.
Don't be lazy and take it to a car wash joint with harsh chemicals and jet washes, that isn't TLC. Show your car lurve (Valentine's is nearly here) and give her a romantic wash and wax!❤️
I agree. My car is 10 year old and being that age is the normal time when most VW group cars see tin worm issues occur. I tend to snowfoam all over the car and under the wheel arches and sills. It always looks like a brand new car after its wash (apart from a few small dents and scratches).
It is nice to see that you have had some success with Bella's fuel problems. Obviously she was able to power her way from Wales to Cumbria & back again.
Nice video and nice drive. A driver after my own heart - keeping left on multi-lane carriageways 👍👍 The way you glide back into lane one after overtaken - smart driving!
The air has to be coming in through a seal on the filter inlet or outlet pipes, probably as simple as an O ring. All very Hubnut here. Is the fuel pump after the filter? If so it's sucking air into the pipes from probably the joints. If the fuel pump is before the filter it would be spraying fuel from the area that is in question. Hope this helps you diagnose the problem.
That´s exactly what I wanted to write. But you had been quicker and you explained better than I´d have done.
Tbh I am surprised you’re having issues with that engine. They are immensely reliable.
My '99 C15 had the easiest fuel filter. Four allen screws,job done. As you say,probably too simple,let's make it fiendishly complicated!
I remember once on an Astra I had - a sidelight bulb blew and I bought a replacement, consulted the drivers handbook and the associated DIAGRAM on how to do. It was the diagram rather than photo that should have been the give away. The diagram didn't show the battery tray and wires and hoses and stuff that meant you needed 18 inch long fingers that bent through 360 degrees to do the job.............I went to a garage to get it done
Bella economical cruusers nicely and for back roads ideal and l hooe this long trip fixes that bubbling problem in the diesel looking forward to the update
Nice work...looks like its time for some new pipework
the fuel filter housing on the old xud wasn't much better i had the primer unit on top of a metal housing on the Talbot Horizon... which failed on me took dealer couple of days to find it, ouchie price later it did fix the problem
Hope you got some mint cake while you were there.
The knurled ring on the top of the fuel filter usually takes 3 or 4 "nipping ups". Run the car for a day, check again..nip up a bit more. Remove fuel lines by pressing down clip with small screwdriver.
Run a bottle of Wynn's Diesel Injector Cleaner through the system, if you haven't done so already. All my French PSA diesels loved the stuff.
Can’t believe I hadn’t already subscribed
I love your jubilant and honest attitude saying it how it is with all this real world tinkering
A long slog indeed to those fast roads! I have spent many an uneventful hour and gallon of diesel on that road up through Aber & Mach, I could almost paint it from memory if there was a sheet of paper long enough
For future reference, a jaw type oil filter wrench is ideal for tightening (or loosening) the fuel filter ring.
I praise the Motoring Gods that we never salt our roads. It must be heartbreaking if you own a classic.
Good evening Ian.
I hope my home town , Kendal was kind to you when you stopped over.
Look forward to you next video.
👍
mmm Kendal mint cake. I love that drive up as far as junction 28 and then turn off for some high level driving.
It’s definitely worth having a look in the fuel tank. The uptake in the tank could have splits/perishing allowing air through or the gauze could be a bit funky and blocked with crud - that could cause a low revs hunting/surging effect
Good Man! Have a go mending it . . . then set off anyway!
Go back to the scrappies and get the same filter and fuel line clips cheapest option and maybe a bleed ball.
Was at Barnard Castle with wife on Saturday for the farmers market. Nice place.
Barnard Castle. A great spot to check your eye sight apparently.
Nice one Ian, its unfortunate that the fuel bubble issue has not been resolved. Like you during my 'fixes' of various things I've had to resort to re using old parts as the 'new' bits are no good. It is great to see Bella having some fun following her surgery to a wonderful part of the world. I've not been to the lakes for a long time now but hopefully sometime in the future I will get to see those incredible views and have some great walks in the area. As usual thanks for keeping us updated.
I had a similar problem though on a Volvo, and spent £120 or so on a Terraclean treatment. What a difference! My wife agreed too the car ran noticeably, really noticeably better. Certainly couldn’t do any harm could it? Assuming you have a Terraclean franchise near you I guess.
I would check with the main Citroen dealers if that housing should have a seal fitted
Just sucking some Kendal mint cake whilst ruminating over your remarks regarding injectors.
I heartily agree with your sentiments, though just warn you that original injectors might be somewhat hesitant towards removal, whereupon helicoiling could become required.
Mint cake says, try some additives to clean injectors before resorting to spanners. May the force be with you.
Where did you get the replacement filter? Because if it was an eBay special I'd suggest getting another from a proper motor factor and trying it. We had problems with air in the fuel in our 1.6 hdi (different engine but the principle is the same) after fitting an eBay fuel filter, a proper quality Blueprint one solved the problem. I watched my mechanic fit both and the Blueprint one went together way easier, much better fit 👍
Funny as I stocked up various filters recently for cars in my family and bought what I thought were the best German branded ones for my own car and some Blueprint cabin and fuel filters for my Mums car to check them out and the Blueprint stuff was just as good as the more pricy german makes, very good value!
@@dunk8157 it's the standard brand all my local motor factors use, I've never had a single problem with any part.
I've just spent several hundred £ in replacing the injectors on my 100K-ish 207SW. it's made it ruin better, although i had to get a specialist to do it - they're hard to access. I used recon items that i sourced via eBay.
it may well be a path to consider although i don't think it's something that's do-able at home.
NB - whilst salt may be an issue for rot, so's our Atlantic climate with it's combination of rain, damp, and cold. Frankly, the salt is worth it to avoid ending up in a ditch.
Looking at this I would try 2 things. One unscrew the housing on a bench and lube all threads and washers / orings with silicon grease, vaseline might work at a pinch. So that everything screws together smoothly and you can see which seal does what and where its meant to be and that they are still springy and not gone hard. Again on a bench I'd have a hard look at the junctions of the pipes to the filter, again lube any o'rings and check they have not got any that are hard / cracked or damaged. So overall just check every junction is sliding and screwing together just right, not binding before it makes a good seal. And check for anything that has a poor connection is loose or has a crack. Like you point out in the video it could be one of the plastic push on junctions that has failed. You might find you can put it underwater block the exit tube and blow through it so see if you get bubbles anywhere.
Option 2 Bypass the filter housing using a clear pipe, insert a cheap fuel filter, standard small plastic filter with orange paper in the middle and 2 pointy barbed ends that the tube can be push fitted over, in the section of tube. So you just have one tube bypassing the big filter altogether, replacing the 2 clear tubes you have at the moment with one long one. Or if the 2 tubes you have at the moment are the same diameter and long enough just take those 2 tubes as they are and join them in the middle with a fuel filter. The reason I'm saying use a filter is just in case there is debris that could do damage.
Thats what I would try, I'm not a mechanic but It seems the issue is an air leak and I would hope doing all this would find out where the leak is and stop it.
You could even go one step further and rig up a fuel tank out of a water bottle etc and hang that at the correct height to get the pressure, (i think its quite a low pressure pump?) that would mean you could rule out all the pipework going all the way from the tank in the car. I think the return would still work and take the fuel back to the main tank. Maybe a step too far though!
"Gritters, they're so damaging!" he said, through gritted teeth...
Primer bulbs are well known for sucking in air on psa/Renault diesels if it has an egr valve remove it and decoke/clean it, a injector leak down test wouldn’t hurt either
Were you telling us to stop laughing at the start? I was chuckling to myself 😂 Those filter housings are a pain, that special brittle French plastic is truly awful, I've seen some spectacular bodges over the years too! The only time to use top speed on the roads in any car is when passing a gritter 😋 I am kidding of course.
another great video has always Ian and miss hubnut and hublets and hubmutts 👍
Sorry to say buy cheap buy twice, had same problem in c4, bought Citroen owns no problem
On my 99 W202 C class the air bubbles were caused by the plastic elbow fitted to the clear(ish) fuel line, the line was so old and stiff that it sucked air through the connection after I did some work on the engine and had to fiddle with it. Might be worth checking out if it isn't horrendously expensive.
Perfect music volume during the time-lapse.
From personal experience with plastic diesel filter housings do not ever open the housing.
Buy a complete new housing as you did. They always contain the filter. Remove the old housing complete after disconnecting the wiring and pipes. Then install the new housing and reconnect pipes and wiring.
These housings are notorious for failing to seal. As shipped they have been machine assembled just the once and to the exact torque required.
Yeah, lesson learned sadly!
I'm actually a little surprised by how few of these are still around. I mean, I remember seeing these around all the time. But go on car sale websites and there's only a few that haven't been driven to death available.
Go to Spain and France theres 1000s.
I have a very similar issue on my 05 2.0hdi partner, I think it may be my rear engine mount, one day I might just have a look.
Welcome to cumbria by the way , and yes it’s far away from everywhere
I think mine might be tired, but there's definitely a running issue.
As someone who deals daily with similar fuel filter housings, you can sometimes cure leaks with petroleum jelly or 30W oil. The O-rings on the new & old filters may be interchangeable too. Those primer bulbs are terrible though
Yes they get microscopic holes, had many an issue on outboard motors
All the fuel unions and the filter housing cap all need to be greased, ideally with silicone grease, before reassembling. Without the grease, a failure to seal is almost inevitable. The seals might not be the underlying problem in Bella's case but not having any grease on the seals will make pinning down the fundamental problem all the more difficult.
Richard
First thing might be to get a diesel specialist to test the spray patterns on your injectors. Any freelance article writing for classic car mags this time of year to help the budget?
I sympathise with you on the difficulty in accessing things on a Citroen, I have a Relay and removing the injector leak off pipe is a nightmare, they buried one of the connectors under lots of other pipes necessitating removing a bracket which has fasteners which are, of course, a nightmare to access.
Best thing you can do with a Berlingo is put a lit match to it!
Nice lane discipline 😁
Only ever owned one diesel, 2.3 Vauxhall Vectra turbo, nice car until fuel pump ECU went big time, scrappage scheme traded for a new, 2010 Nissan Micra, never touched a diesel since!
My MK1 Renault kangoo is having same problems with bubbles in fuel line seems to be a common fault on the 1.5 DCI but she has done over 163000 miles I'm going to be replacing the fuel lines coming from behind engine as air is getting in before fuel pump and filter .
It does seem likely that there is an air leak somewhere in the fuel system as the fuel is drawn from the bottom of the tank. It would be a good idea to trace the fuel pipes back to the tank and look for a corresponding leak/seepage which could be the culprit. As for checking in the engine bay, a mirror and a decent torch might help, or an endoscope.
You might also try talking to a friendly diesel expect as a lot of those guys are scholars and gentlemen and they might give you a few pointers. Guys/gals like that know that a bit of advice like that is money in the bank in the long run because they are the first person you will ask if you need something only they can do.
Good advice, definitely would look for the leak further down the system.
Don't menton endoscope ugh! One of those being shoved in is far worse than having my GP's annual finger prostate check.
@@tonys1636 I bought a Draper one not that long ago and I looked at Amazon reviews first. Then there were the questions and someone asked if it was any good for examining your colon. They got a stock answer about how good they are for examining the inside of pipes etc.
Absolutely brilliant video Ian Miss hubnut 👍 ❤️ beautiful part of the world there brilliant
I would also replace all the injectors & injector seals.
Potentially I would also pressure clean the entire fuel system & replace most of the hoses. Worst case ditch the diesel & go & buy a decent petrol belingo. You seam to have major issue with diesel’s.
I'm no expert on diesel at all, however if the problem is air entering in, this must be on the "suck" side, as as you proved the filter housing if not tight causes diesel leaks out, any pipework downstream will be under pressure and leak fuel out rather than suck air in. You may be more correct looking at injectors wearing out - can you remove and get them tested/reconditioned ?
Hi Ian aka hubnut, there is a problem with the high pressure diesel pump, it should not be bubbling post filter if the seals in the pump are ok. I suspect the pump needs a rebuild/replacement. Don't run it too long , it may well leave you stranded. All the best!
Surely the high pressure pump comes after the filter though? I thought is was low pressure up to that point?
You could try putting dabs of thin oil at suspect areas and see if it gets sucked in.
Great to see you make it to Kendal OK, need to get some mint cake..
If you have bubbles on the INPUT as well as the output of the filter, the air must be coming in upstream, more likely the INPUT of the pump rather than the output (it's under pressure)
You've come a long way with your video editing
The best car for the trip an economical work horse. Have a great trip.
Go Genuine parts new filter housing, Lines and Bulb Pump
If you can’t find a local diesel specialist to look at it, I’d run a new diesel fuel pipe from the hard line under the car (Or wherever it terminates) to the common rail briefly to see if that fixes the issue, if so you know the injectors are ok(ish), equally if it doesn’t then perhaps focus on the injectors. This assumes no pinholes in the fuel tank, fuel lines or connectors under the car. Good luck.
You off to Specsavers in Barnard Castle?
Apart from draining the water trap changing the filters and bleeding the system through to the injectors everything else was left to the expert bods at Lucas/CAV. The exchange injector service was a very reasonable price.
Them filters come with fuel filter inside, you don't need to open them, you broke the main seal that is why it was so tight to open, I ordered them for my citroen dispatch.
You will laugh til you cry if you ever get a Modus and want to change a headlight bulb Ian , a good two hours of tinkering involved with that , what should be simple task.
I had two og Saab 9-5s - the headlamp bulb took all of a minute to replace. The Saab blokes knew how to build a car that is easy to work on if you break down in one of their winters, as it could be the difference between life and death. Absolutely brilliant in the event of an accident as I know from personal experience - they were the first car to get a 5 star NCAP rating back in 97/98.
Changing a headlight on a renault trafic is the stuff of nightmares. I have learn to junk what the manual says, unbolt the housing then whack the rear of the assembly with your hand and do the bulb change with it all hanging out on its wiring loom. Engineering wise we certainly have gone backwards. My old capri and beloved alfa 164 were a breeze to do basic things unlike these modern ffing bstrd things we've been subjected too. rant over..feel much better!
With my Renault Kangoo 2 it is very easy to change a headlight light bulb. If you are fast 10 seconds can do.
Another bad one is VW Passat v5 2.3 Had one where I thought bulb had gone . Had to move airbox and other stuff out of the way then it was still tight work to get old one out. Bought a bulb approx £20 and the found out it was ballast component had blown circuit board . Quoted £400 from local VW dealer for the ballast went online and got one from a local company who do them £30 arrived within two days.
@@chriswalford9228 Modern cars are so fun.
Why are you changing the filter housing when you can see air entering before the filter i would be saving up to pay for a new windscreen
Tiny amount of air before, lots afterwards.
Better give Bella's bottom a wash next week!
There is a Daihatsu Materia in Chatteris where I live seen it several times. Also accross the road from me is a 2CV
Alway enjoy a trip to Kendal, though its only 1.5 hrs for me and I have friends I can stay with. Always have a good evening out there as well, often some good bands/music on ☺
Great little roadtrip Ian, Kendal is a lovely place to visit. I am putting it down to age and mileage on Bella, she has a new quirk!
He better take some mint cake back for Miss HubNut or may be sleeping in Bella.
1. By pass filter with cheap lawn mower one. 2. Block primer bulb filter end and pump see if any leaks, spray with soapy water and see if bubbles appear? 3. I wonder if the bubbles are the problem.. ? If runs ok at speed is it just sticky injector. I had an old escort 1.6 non td which struggled to do 60 mph at 140k miles. Had the injectors cleaned by a diesel shop and went back to flat out at 80 no problem. Don’t mess with injectors yourself be a new head etc. just run the damn thing it’s done Holland etc it’s a banger? My petrol berlingo judders when throttle off at low speed. No codes just overide it with clutch fed up of tinkering. Doesn’t affect reliability🙏. Only when let throttle off and slowing down as soon as touch throttle - gone
Once a car has seen salt and its of such an age where the paint underneath is cracking and the galvanization is weakening it needs regular rust proofing with something messy and oily.