Agree with a bit of this, disagree with some other stuff. To start with, I've been a Driver, Owner Operator and small company owner since 1984. Like Brian, I've tried out and driven various types of trucks with different set ups for the engine and transmissions. Personally, you couldn't give me another Volvo...period. To many computers and electrical problems. Comfortable? Absolutely. But if you can't keep it out of the shop though, it's useless. I didn't have the problems Brian had, but then I didn't keep the truck past the Warranty. I did however have the truck wind up in the shop twice for over 2 weeks waiting on parts from Germany. The second time was the end of the line. PACCAR... I'm not a fan, but they seem to have worked out a lot of the bugs from earlier on. Good fuel milage, but for me, lack power in the mountains. Detroit... I still remember when you had to add a gallon of oil to the old Detroits daily or you were out of oil. They've come a long ways. The DD15 is a good engine and pulls well. Great fuel mileage and pretty inexpensive to repair with shops everywhere to get them worked on. Cummins... this is my preferred engine. Great power, good fuel mileage and dependable as the change in seasons. Cost wise to repair, it depends on the problem, but mostly comparable to the Detroit. Blow an engine and you're looking at $57,000.00 to replace it, or depending on the damage, if it's rebuildable, about the same depending on damage. Fuel mileage versus speed has been an on going debate forever and 2 days. Part of fuel mileage is gearing that nobody ever talks about. If you let a Dealer spec your truck out, your going to get piss-poor fuel milage in the mountains or rolling hills. For some reason, they seem to think that North America is all flat. Go figure. Spec your truck out to fit the areas You run. Personally, I'd rather get 4200 miles than 3200 miles a week. I don't agree with governing trucks to 62 or 65 mph. I will always feel that if you can't do the speed limit, you don't belong on the Interstate. Having said that, I also don't agree with running 90 mph anywhere. If you can't get where you're going doing the speed limits, you should have left sooner or rescheduled. For me, it's personal preference. I'd rather set my cruise and know that I'm not presenting an obstacle for everyone else that can do the speed limit to get around and move with the flow of traffic. Will you get better fuel mileage at 65 than 75? Yes. Will you cover the same mileage? Eventually, yes. But over a weeks time, the one running 75 is covering an extra 700 miles. So, again, it's personal preference and the areas you run. A couple other things. 1) for those that want to run 80 - 90 mph; unless you're running special tires, your tires at NOT rated for speeds over 75 mph for long periods. Have a blow out and get in an accident or cause one and YOU are at fault because you were operating your equipment beyond its limitations. 2) Tire pressure. You probably hear this all the time, but it is the truth. Check your tire pressure and keep them at consistent pressures ( 110 lbs front, 100 lbs drive, 100 lbs tandems is my preference). Anyways, happy motoring and stay safe out there.
I had a 12.7L 60 Series Detroit in a 2001 Freightliner FLD120. It was a decent engine but it didn't pull as hard as my M11 Cummins. I found out that the Detroits torque peak came a couple hundred rpm higher than the Cummins did. That obviously makes a difference in a big diesel when the rpm range is very limited as opposed to a gas engine in a car or pickup truck. Mine was also one of those that received a bad turbo from the supplier (obviously not Detroit Diesels fault) and it popped at around 125k miles-replaced under warranty. It was very fuel efficient though and other than those 2 things I have absolutely no complaints about it. I ran that truck for about 600k miles then went back to Cummins power when I traded it in on a 2006 Classic XL. All in all, I wouldn't hesitate (much lol!) to buy another Detroit 60 powered tractor if I needed to.
One of the best. The dd15 will never be a 60 series. Between 60 series. And the cat motors. 3406. C15. C16. And the old Cummins n14 and the big cams. You won't find any better.
I have a 14 L 60 series, I had the emissions stuff thrown in the garage and aftermarket turbo and manifold and custom tune. Makes 600+ hp now and good economy.
I’ve got a 2019 KW T680 with the Cummins X15. I’ve got 390,000 miles on it and so far I’ve had no engine issues with it. I’ve got mine set at the performance setting and the automated transmission and it gets anywhere from 6.7-7.5mpg and that’s running everywhere and at 70mph. I service mine between 20-30k miles to keep up and going good. my friend who is a Cummins mechanic told me that everyone who is running the recommended service intervals has more problems with things gumming up compared to owner ops that services engines closer to the old days. Doing the work myself it cost apx $400 for oil and all the filters. I know it’s long but hopefully it’s some use to someone who is looking for the right engine
I love the comment section on these videos you get everyone from the gear head truckers to the newbie’s and everyone in between. Wealth of little tid bits of knowledge.
To me old engine area gamble, those detroit series 60 12.7 or 14.1 are being redone a few times to get bigger cylinder and parts can be challenged and in the future maybe no one will be allow to drive pre emissions diesel truck, that's my thought on old engine.
@@AutosClasicosConMiguel maybe in California for the pre emissions and certain other places. Where I'm at they don't even check emissions. Cali wants to ban all internal combustion engines. And if I get many more years out of what I have it more than paid for itself. And I figure I have lots of time where I'm at. Plenty of parts our there. Dealers and online everywhere. Nothing to worry about so far as I've seen. And as for those emission trucks. They are having all kinds of issues with those and the costs to fix are outrageous. No thanks.
2008 ISX here, OEM 600hp, over one million miles and going strong, after I figured it out. Learn how to maintain them and they all can last, to a point, as they all have their individual manufacturing issues. I like a Cummins ISX, for the reason I am able to have their engine and programing software on my laptop. That right there has saved me tens of thousands of dollars. Nice being able to plug in and diagnose on the fly, I haven't been to a dealer in years. And yes, I do my own overheads and other general maintenance, it is not hard. In framed the motor in the driveway too... Cummins supplies everything you need to do it yourself. Learn your truck, be proactive... For what it is worth.
Yep. I have an ISX @ 600, 13 over and 3.73 rears in my 06 Classic XL. I spec'd it and drove it off the lot in late 2005. Even though it didn't actually need one, I had an out of frame done at just under 1 million miles and I'm closing in on another million now. I also own a 2015 Cascadia and two 2020 KW T-680s with Cummins X15 engines @ 550. The Cassie has a 13 over, the KWs both have Ultra-Shift 13s and all of them have 3.73 rears. They've all been trouble free.
Star mechanic from Australia here 🖐️ I work on both engines and from my time Iv found the Detroit seems to cost a hell of alot less than Cummins, honestly I'd pick a DD.. in my opinion they're a great engine, sure no new engine is as good as the old ones but we run them at 550hp 1850ftlb and if they're running up and down the coast with B-double you'll likely see 1.2 to 1.5 million KMs before overhaul.. on road train and stock work you'll see 850k to 1m KMs, maintenance is key with these engines they are very fine tolerance engines so keep your fuel and oil super clean, regular tune ups and they'll make lots of money, we've seen alot of X15s drop liners at 500,000km and found Cummins warranty doesn't seem to be as good as Penske which is disheartening.. had lots of good will from Penske even post warranty The end of the day.. they may not pull as hard as the x15 but they will make more money, but the DD16 is due to arrive on our shores soon and with 600hp and 2050ftlb they may give the old Cummins a fair run.. thanks guys enjoyed the video always great to see what's happening on the other side of the road 👌🇭🇲
@@tntfreddan3138 tell me were I'm gonna find a set of metric Suzi coils in outback Australia, at least you can get parts for American trucks, 2 month wait out of Germany for something silly
Hey bud. I'm an apprentice diesel mechanic 1st yr in brisbane moving to adelaide. Do you reckon I continue my apprenticeship in a small shop or a dealer? We work mostly on anything at my current workplace and on a lot of trailers too. I'm thinking of going OEM and go to the mines once qualified.
@@marvinbarcenas9564 at the end of the day it depends what you want to do, dealers will generally make you a better technician as you will get more electrical work.. when Old mate down the road can't figure it out they'll send the customer to the dealer and because you are the dealer, the truck needs to be fixed before it leaves.. there's no one else to pass it on too, so you'll find some very clever blokes there, also you get training on the product your selling.. money isn't as good but dealers can take you places, by boss went to Japan for Isuzu world championships and placed 3rd in the world when he worked for Isuzu, another work colleague went to America with Cummins.. even my Detroit rep has been all over the world with Detroit.. Mining will make you good money but will burn you out after a few years and make you a dumb f#ck, change oil and ring caterpillar or Komatsu dealer when it gets too hard.. If big gear is your thing tho then go for dealers like cat, Komatsu, Hitachi you'll be better off than "working in a mine" But there's more avenues than road transport or mining in the diesel game such as military, marine, railroads, plant I'm currently a causal Tech teacher in heavy road transport teaching 1 day a week, it's $89 an hour and I teach first year apprentices like you how too sharpen a drill bit with 3 smoko breaks a day haha Up to you at the end of the day which avenue you take but you may even get a mobile truck and start your own business one day.. charge $140 an hour.. but finish your apprenticeship, learn as much as you can and it'll pay off.. Spinning filters learning nothing in a mine might make you 140k a year but you work Christmas day.... Working for yourself will make you a whole lot more
@@mickromer6199 thanks for the advice mate. I didn't know that you only do services in the mines. That is my goal in the future, to work for my self. So if dealership would make me a better tech, I suppose it's the place to learn for me as an apprentice. I'm more rooted working on trucks rather than machineries as I grew up with trucks around me. Where did you do your apprenticeship by the way? Our instructor at tafe was an ex mechanic in the army. That is a pretty good position you got there haha. But you did your time on the floor also so you deserve that one. Are you still working on your other days as an active mechanic?
Got a 2007 volvo d12 with a 13 speed manual. Around 3.2 million kms which is roughly 2 million miles on the original engine. Will get another truck soon because of the rust and how old it is but engine is original and one of my favorite trucks I've own. I found it more reliable than my frieghtliner columbia with the detroit 60 series.
Really? He purchased Volvo's D-13 engine & mated it to an Eaton 18-gear manual transmission. Volvo D-13 & Paccar MX-13 engines were designed to operate with their own automatic transmissions, from these same manufacturers. Volvo, Paccar & Scania offer the whole drive train (engine + transmission), so if you are going for one of those engines, get their auto transmission. If you want to drive a manual, Cummins is probably your best best; especially if you need stronger engines. X-15 Performance, with 605 hp & 2,050 ft-lb, with an 18-gear Eaton transmission, is likely the best choice.
We've got a 500hp X15 in a 2018 T800 roll off truck. Way over spec'd for what we use it for, but its got about 225,000 miles on it now, and it hasn't had a single problem.
We pull with Volvos D13 diesel and D13 LNG versions with two trailer here in Finland. The vehicle combination weight is 68 - 76 tons (149914 - 167551 lbs ). Total lenght is 32 - 34 meters (104 - 111 ft) and has 11 or 12 axles. I drive such a combination for my work and I can say that the Volvo D13 engines perform well in this job.
Yesssss , agree to you . ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼 the volvo engine is a best engine and have so power and pulling , in my country " iran " in middle east , most of truckers work with volvo d.13 fh . 😊😊👌🏼✌🏼🙏🏻🙏🏻
@Claudio Canavaro I think you know very little about trucks and truck engines, especially Volvo I must tell you that in Africa and Asia, as you say, they ride donkeys, not trucks I must say that in Yemen as well as in my country, most of the super heavy loads are carried by Volvo and D13 and D16 engines💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼. It is true that American engines are very good, but Volvo engines are not weak. 😏😏😏
Fuel mileage is good but I want a good pull on a steep hill and don’t take cheap loads and 6 miles a gallon should be no issue. I have a 98 Detroit 60 series 12.7 and tuned and get 6 miles a gallon , oh and it pulls great on the hills now after Tunning it
Detroit Allison has stand alone shops in addition to Freightliner dealerships. The reason I bought my cascadias was because there are 2 Freightliner dealerships and a Detroit Allison shop within a 30mi radius. Something to think about when buying a new truck.
I’ve always been a Detroit guy, nobody can say anything bad about a series 60. But I’m for the X15 now cause when you factor in the cost of a Detroit one box it takes all your great numbers and flushes them. And the fact that it cost about as much as an in-frame to replace it, and it seems to go out at about 700,000. You pay that off then you do have an in-frame right around the corner
That POS Onebox was $11k last year when we replaced one. When the FQV Valve takes a shit every year or two it over fuels, throws NOx codes, needs a DOC face plug cleaning daily and will eat a Onebox each year.
@@PepperDarlington the diagnosing process to replace one box is crap. First they have you replace nox sensors, 7th injector, def sensor etc. And then if truck still can't regen, it's the one box. I had a 2017 freightliner Cascadia with 690K. Total cost for everything was $15K. My extended warranty went out at 685K. It sucked.
Serious 60 detroit were very good motor back in the days I ran my motor 1.8 million miles before I did an overhaul ..cat motor were another impressive motor for mong time til sold out .then paccar motor came in selling this motor problems the peterbilt dealer was the only dealer who had the diagnostics system coding that was terrible problem to drivers many newer motor are made by manufacturing companies engineers to GREASE YOUR POCKETS..THATS MECHANICALLY SAYING TAKEN YOUR MONEY..ON CONSTANT MOTOR ISSUES PROBLEMS..MANY OLDER VETERAN DRIVERS LIKE MYSELF AND ITHERS KNOWS BACK IN THE DAYS. CATS, DETROIT 60 SERIOUS, M14 MOTOR WAS AMAZING GOOD THAT DEPENDS ON YOUR PREFERENCES..AND PARTS FEES TOO ON REPAIRS,..SADDLY CAT PILLARS SOLD OUT, NEBER AGAIN THE SAME ON BUILDING UP MOTORS, DETROIT'S 60 SERIES..YOU HAD MANY DRIVERS REPAIRING THERE RIGS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROADS , WHY, THEAE WERE GREAT MOTORS AND BUILT WELL, THEN YOU BECOME SO FAMILIAR WITH YOUR MOTOR PARTS , YOU JUST CARRIED AN EXTRA PART IN SIDE BOX..YOU, ALREADY KNEW WHAT IT WAS THE PROBLEM THAT MAY NOT NEED TO GO IN A SHOP, YOU CAN CHANGE YOYRSELF...TRUCKERS WAS SO HAPPYIER MORE THEN..TIL ALL THESE DARB MOTOR CHANGES TO SUCKERED...NIEVE YKU OUT OF MORE COMMISION MONEY INTO BUYING HEADACHE ' PARTS NOT TOO FAMILIAR NOW !! THIS, WAS THE WHOLE IDEA IN THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY AMBITIOUS BUSINESS PARTNERS GREED .!! MAKING SURE ENGINEERS CAN COME UP WITH NEWERR TECHNOLOGY IN MOTORS THAT CANT BE SO EASILY CAPABLE TO REPAIR ON THE WIDE OF THE ROAD AND JERP ROLLING TOOK THE FUN OUT OF TRUCKING AND CREATING AND DEVELOPING SOFTWARE'S AND MOTORS TO CASH IN MORE TRUCKING DILEMMAS ON BREAKFOWNS KEEPING THE TRUCKER BROKEDOWN MORE AND SELLING MORE PARTS THAT DONT FREAKING WORK PROPERLY STRESSING OUR TRUCKERS AND GREASING OUT HARD WORKING DRIVERS ...THEN, CAME POLITICIANS MIXING WITH THE INDUSTRY ALL HAD CALIBRATIONS WITH MANUFACTORING COMPANIES AS INVESTOR SHARES AND NOT TRUCKER FRIENDLY BUSINESS OWNERS TRYING TO SURVIVE WITH ALL THESE NEWER MOTORS WITH BELLS AND WEED WHISTLE PROBLEMS BREAKING DOWN CONSTANTLY THEN MAKE COMMISION THAT'S ONLY GOING TOWARD REPAIR BILLS...MAKING TRUCKING INDUSTRY AS A SMALL FLEET OR O/P TO SURVIVE AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE QUOTE NEWER ENGINE OF TODAY !!! LEAVE THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY OUT OF POLITICIANS AND PRIVATE INVEDTOR CORRUPTED FROM MINGLING WITH HARD WORKING PEOPLE IN TRUCKING THEN, WE CAN RESET BACK TO GOOD TIMES !! NOONE, REGULATES LONG DOUBLE STACK CHO CHO RAILROADS TOO MANY INVESTOR SHARES BIT DIG IN SMALL FLEETS AND OP OWNERS TRYING TO LIVE AND SURVIVE TI "" SUPOORT FAMILY "" MAKING IT STRESSFUL DMN IT...TRUCKING WAS THE LOWRST PAYING JOB, NPONE CARED FOR BACK THEN, UN RESPECT INDUSTRY..BUT MANY TRUCKERS WERE AT LEAST SURVING ON AND SUPPORTING THE FAMILY ..NOW, TIO MUCH GREED IN THE COOKIE JAR .DMN IT AND NO RESPECT TO OUR HARD WORKING CLASS DRIVERS COMPANY OR OWNERS TRYING TO LIVE. .TOO MABY REGULATIONS, PARKING FEES , PARTS HIGH. BREAKDOWNS MORE. FRIEGHT CHEAPER THEN EVER, FUEL HIGH, SUPPLIES DELAYS I CAN GO ON ETC..I BEEN THIS INDUSTRY CLOSE TO 30 YEARS ITS IN YOUR BLOOD, APPRECIATION IN THE INDUSTRY WAS THEN, WE GAVE OUR HEARTS TO MOVE AMERICA FRIEGHT NO WORRIES, IT WILL BE DEKIVERED UNLESS WEATHER PREVENTED DELAY..ATTITUDE WE, WENT THE EXTRA MILE CARING FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AS GOOD SHEPARDS ON THE HIGHWAY GLING THAT EXTRA MILE MEANT HELL OF ALOT TO OUR CUSTOMERS BACKED UP IN DEMANDS ON GOODS IN NEED TO PROVIDE TO THERE DEMANDS DISTRIBUTION.. .MADE A YRUCKER FEEL GOOD AND PROUD CUSTOMERS SATUFIED SEAL WITH A SMILE AND GOOD MORNING ATTITUDE , HAVE SOME COFFEE AND DONUTS DRIVERS GLAD TO SEE YOU, MADE THROUGH..THAT WAS REWARDING FEEKING TO THOSE OLD TIMERS IN THE INDUSTRY PUMP YOUR BLOOD OF ANOTHER SATISFIED CUSTOMER MADE YOU FEEL GOOD TOO ESPECIALLY DURING WINTER IN NEED OF WINTER SUPPLIES...BUT THE WORLD FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR TRUCKERS BACK IN DAYS CHEAP WAGES NO GOOD BENEFITS, BUT IT WASNT JUST THAT, THE FULLFILLMENT OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE AND GET'R DONE THAT EXTRA HOURS BEHIND THE WHEEL THOSE FROSTED CHEEKS AND WRAPPING UP TO WARMER CLOTHING AS YOU SHUT THAT DOOR, ONE THING CAME ON LIKE A DASH LITE ON...THAT WAS DEKUVERING ON TIME SEALED WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE SATISFACTION GUARANTEED !! MADE IMPACT IN MY LIFE, HOW TO RUN A BUSINESS, WITH EFFICIENCY AND GOOD SPIRIT OF CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIPS IS NUMBER ONE TO PROVIDE OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE IS WITH A GREAT ATTITUDE """ ALWAYS NO MATTER WHAT SEASONAL CHANGES NOR ANYTHING ELSE ALWAYS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT YOUR TRAVELS AND QUALITY DELIVERANCE SMILING FACES GOING PLACES IS MY LOGO...KEEPS GOOD HEART WELL NO MATTER WHAT GOES ON IN THE WORLD OF CONFUSIONS !! I GREW UP IN THIS INDUSTRY ITS DEEP ROOTED I PASS IT ON TO NEW DRIVERS AND FAMILY IN TRUCKING...OLD SAY..CANT GO FAR IN LIFE; IF YOU DONT CHANGE THAT ATTITUDE !!! LIKE CANT GO FAR IN LIFE , IF YOU CANT CHANGE THAT FLAT TIRE !!! ALWAYS STUCK NOT FORWARD OR BACKWARD...CHANGE IT , AND YOULL MOVE FORWARD IN LIFE WITH GREATER POSSIBILITIES THAN EVER BEFORE...I SAY TO NEWER DRIVERS MAKE A OVERHAUL CHANGE IN YOU , TOO NOT JUUST YOUR MOTOR !! APPERANCE MATTER, GOOD ATTITUDE MATTERS, GOOD UNDERSTANDING MATTERS, RESPECT THE INDUSTRY MATTERS, CUSTOMER SERVICE SATISFACTION MATTERS, KEEPING UP WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT MATTERS, NEVER STOP LEARNING IT ONLY MAKES YOU MORE COMFORTABLE AND WISER TO HANDLE PRESSURE UNDER CONTROL INSTEAD BLOWING YOUR STACKS OFF NO NEED , ALWAYS KERP CONTROL AND GOOD MANNERS MATTERS ETC..IF, YOU CAN LEARN ONE DAY EXTRA A DAY TO IMPROVE OUR TRUCKING INDUSTRY OR LIVES IN OUR WORLD ..GO FOR IT, NEVER TOO YOUNG OR OLD TO CONTINUE LEARNING MORE EVERYDAY IS BRIGHTER "" NEW DAY "" TO RESTART THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING MORE TO ADVANCE IN CONTROL OVER STRESSFUL SITUATIONS THAT IS HURTING OUR TRUCKERS..TODAY FOR NOT KNOWING HOW, TO RELEASE PRESSURES POINTS IN THE TRUCKING BUSINESS...SO, MUCH TO LEARN NEBER STOP LEARNING SOMETHING NEW..MAKES YOU BETTER AND YOULL BE SATISFIED TOO..KEEP TRUCKING AND SMILING FACES NO MATTER WHAT..SMILES BRIGHTEN UP YOUR NEW START OF THE DAY...HELLO SUNSHINE, HELLO WORLD THANKYOU FOR A NEW BEGINING EVERYDAY IS A GOOD DAY TO START REFRESH..LIKE JUMP START OF A BATTERY...TRY IT ITS REWARDING TO KERP POSITIVE THOUGHTS. ..
I had a kenworth with a paccar good fuel economy truck but stayed in the shop with deration a lot ,Cummins I like the most but constant problems,D13 I m running now and its the best
Paccar engines are Daf engines, Daf has been manufacturing engines for almost all of its history, well the entire Paccar powertrain is DAF, which is the first brand within the group, Daf keeps the exclusivity of the best engines for themselves, for KW and PETE you only have old and lower quality versions.
The issue I have with Cummins these days is almost all their parts come from China and they’re garbage! I’ve literally had to get 3 different oil pumps before I got one in spec.
I ran a 2020 International with an X15 all summer. I got about 9 miles to the gallon until I got up over 70,000 lbs and she went up and down the Appalachians all day every day. I did not get her out to the Rockies. She had no problems going up and down the little hills. I did not like backing up that automatic with a heavy load on a hot day. I averaged 8.8 MPG over 30,000 miles. The truck already had 225,000 on it when I started driving it.
I have a 17' T680 w/ a Paccar MX13 w/ a 13 spd. Absolutely love it. Just about 500k miles. Had a clutch brake replaced. A sensor here and there. That's it. No engine issues at all. I believe the key is to not let it idle. Don't let it idle and you won't have any emissions issues including egr. I maintain it vigorously. Under a 30k load, I average 7.2-7.5 mpg with the 13spd and 3:25 rears. I believe the problems Paccar had was pre-15' I think. Someone else will know for sure.
True that about the idling. I work with the MX-13's for DAF in Netherlands where it was designed. We have the same shit and that's exactly what we do to prevent trouble.
we have a 19' mp8 Mack Anthem over 200000 and its been great, one emission sensor went bad on the 19' so far. Have 2020 Western Star dd15 with over 200000 and the engine, has been great, zero engine emission problems with the western star.
The first time I saw an MP8, I was like, how am I gonna get anywhere with this teeny tiny block? That was the first truck I could split gears and I was blowing the doors off other drivers.
Thank you for giving the Detroit Diesel high Ratings. I like how you talk about people still Loving there 18 speed's. Myself have a 8-71 with a 5 speed Spicer back. Also have a old 1978- 353 Detroit on a piece of Heavy Equipment I own. I baby both Detroit's They are my play toys. And YES you MUST shift the 8-71 at the right RPM. I keep clean oil in each of them. Change the Fuel Filters often. I have had NO issues with 353 Detroit, owned backhoe sense 2003. Have put 100s of Hours on her. Just seal Leaks on Hydraulic cylinders, that get old and leak, start Leaking on the chrome. I Love the sound of my 8-71. Put two stacks up straight. That's what my wife wanted. Did not want smoke blowing on Kids on a parade route The stacks or pipes where going down and out the side on curb side, at running boards. It was quit'er thought like that. Thank you again. Very helpful to Learn the new stuff.
I'd take a screaming Jimmy over the 4-strokes.......especially if it's a twin turboed 12V71 that's all beefed up. Btw....the 12V71 displaces 851.16 cubic inches......13,9L for those who use metric......12 cylinder.
A larger engine only sucks up fuel, if you keep the pedal to the metal. If you drive it smart, you have power when you need it, and you can take it easy on it and get good fuel mileage.
Great video. I'd have to tell you Detroit was last on my list just before the Navistar engine, but the more I hear mechanics say what they like to work on and what they wouldn't touch, I'd have to agree with you. Thanks, this was very enlightening. Just watch the mileage on these engines as well, as a lot of Detroit's don't become available until they're up there in mileage.
You should testdrive the new Volvos both d13 turbocompound 500, regular d13 540, and of course top of the line d16 650, and d16 turbocompound 750. Bulletproof. We also have a small secret to you, called Scania 770 next gen... Wounder when Volvo hits the 800??
Oil thermostat went out on my 2016 ISX 15 back in June. I though it was the coolant thermostat causing the overheating despite I was getting the message of hot oil, so I had the coolant thermostat replaced and then I run it for another week and I ended up taking two liners, truck was little over 641000 miles when I put it in the shop. I had to do the in frame, oil pump, cut the block and new injections for roughly $28000 US. I my opinion the ISX that I have is a great engine, you just have to know how to find the problems, I'm sure my engine would reached the million miles without a problem if it wasn't for the oil cooler thermostat going bad and not fixed on time. Now the truck is fixed with almost 40000 on the rebuild and runs like a dream again.
Dropped a 06 ISX and went to the wrecking yard got myself a engine with a cracked front cover for $3000 and went home and swapped it myself, $4600 total and a week, new clutch and all new gaskets, runs good, been in for two years now
I have a 22 579(old body style) with the mx13 and paccar driveline/axles and am averaging 8 mpg running 70 mph. Engine specs 455hp/1650 torque. So far at 97k miles it's been trouble free. Pulls great with 12 speed auto. It's my first paccar motor and I'm impressed so far. Have driven all the motors over 29 years and I'd rank the MX right up at the top so far.
It’s all about money, if you spend less money on fuel compare to other engines, you have a good motor As far as I know, DD15 is most fuel efficient compared to others, so, that should be the indicator for a good engine.
Everyone's experiences are different. I own a 2016 Volvo D13 and have had almost zero issues with it. Runs 75mph all day, passing almost everyone. A friend of mine liked his Volvo so much he just bought another one.
This video was incredibly resourceful and detailed from the driver's view thank you. I had a cummins isx cm870 in a 05 volvo for the past 8 of my owner operator career and the engine literally blew up a 1.7 million miles. these engines are essentially the choices nowadays and was leaning towards a x15 or dd15.
Seriously, I love this guy. I would love for him to be my mentor. I want to see more of him, and Kali(Kaly maybe? Idk). Them two together is fricken gold
@@link7935 yeah, good idea! That would be funny if Ronen checked and assessed different trucks and shared his thoughts about it. Like just a regular person using a vehicle.
@@malyshevvasiliy9541 That's an awesome idea! I'm a regular 4 wheeler, starting school on monday. I can't wait to see how different it is to haul around a 53' trailer vs a 23' camper! But if he's done neither, it would make it even greater! Regardless, I want to see him turning a wheel. It'd make for some great content!!!
I drive a Paccar MX13 with a 12 speed auto in Northern and Central Nevada. There are some hills I drive through, not the Sierra Nevada's, and it pulls pretty good at around 73,000 lbs. I usually average around 7.5 miles per gallon.
I still run my '03 Intl 9400i 72" Skyrise with Detroit 12.7L non-egr, 10-sp direct with 2.64 rears on 11R22.5 rubber and 7.5 mpg is normal. When my truck is in shop I have rented brand new Intl LT's with the Cummins X-13 with 10-sp automatic and the new Mack with their MP-8 and 12-sp automatic. Honestly the Cummins pulls like a beast but the motor sounds like it's gonna blow any minute, they scare me. The Mack on the other hand with the 12-O.D. auto trans and 455 Hp MP-8 is balanced and does the job damn well without a sweat. Throw a hill at a Mack in cruise and it just does it and most of the time in the top gear. Where the Mack setup really shines is backing under a loaded trailer or backing into a dock. Just feathering the throttle manages a gentle hookup and connecting with the dock without trying to knock the building down like the Eaton autoshift transmissions are famous for. While the Mack's are not huge spacious cabs, fact is they are performers and especially well suited for local LTL work. Volvo's I had a bad experience with many years ago and refuse to try another. The Intl LT with Eaton autoshift not fun to drive, extremely bad (very hard) suspensions and not my favorite. No experience yet with the Freightliner Cascadia's with Detroit but maybe looking. My truck is very old with completely rebuilt engine that runs circles around today's trucks and gets damn good fuel mileage but I am contemplating a newer truck with autoshift and smaller sleeper cab / shorter W.B. for local LTL work and construction hauling. It's a toss between Mack Anthem and Freightliner Cascadia and I need more information and do more research because at my age, I want it to be my final truck purchase of my life. My biggest concern is learning to perform maintenance on the DPF systems, how often, and how much. Freightliner trucks have two DPF filters, the Mack only one. The Mack is the easiest to service, don't know about Freightliners yet.
I seen d13 with over 1.5 million miles for a modern engine impressive, in today's market all the engine manufacturers are really competitive, based on my experience with volvo still go for the d13
Thank you for all the info, you are an inspiration for new truckers, please keep sharing your experience,,,,, it is of high value, I am an online safety instructor and I personally put your videos up to train my students.
I'm not a truck driver myself, but I still found this video to be very interesting. I was quite surprised to hear that a 12 speed automatic would get better fuel economy than an 18 speed manual, is that including the 18 speed automated manuals that are becoming more popular? My only experience with big trucks is from American Truck Simulator, which has if anything taught me that I really underestimated the skill of professional truck drivers. Mad respect to all of you that provide such a vital service while making it look easy!
Not to sure about the automated 18 speeds but I personally don’t like them as much as the new 12 speed automatics. Fuel mileage is a tricky thing to get down. For me it’s like 50% specs 25% terrain 25% the driver. What trailer or commodity you haul should be pretty much covered in the build specs and driver experience.
18-speed are usually triple-shafted gearboxes. Those 12-speed dual-shafted and lighter. Think of it like the fwd drive version of the vehicle gets better gas mileage than it Awd variant
I drove back in the 70s. The transmissions I drove are 4&4 , 5&3 and Roadranger's 13 and 15 speeds. The engines 318 Detroit. Cummins 220, 220 with a blower made it 262 hp. I also drove the 262 V8 and engine that you had to know how to run them. They were real easy to spit the crank out. I also ran 250 and 335 and the 903. I ran the west coast California Oregon Washington Nevada Arizona and Idaho.
I'm running an 06' ISX (pre def) 565hp on an 18speed. Over 1.3million miles without anything to major going wrong. Fuel milage isn't great in my brick 379 and the gearing it's got but I was in high school when this truck was built lol
Update . My 07 pete 387 was getting 8.18 mpg this winter average speed 65 mph. Deleted C15 meow meow ! And it's got the good aftermarket exhaust manifold with a big single turbo , that thing is a beast. I have to get out of the fuel pulling hills because she starts to warm up pretty . It dominated many cattle pots in the hills too . Go big meow meow !!
Just gotta watch out for those '20 Cascadias that are made in Mexico. They had "quality control issues" with loose steering columns and I doubt they won't have other issues. Just have a good checklist for the drivers and mechanics.
Hmm, can we add the '19 Cascadia to the list too? I just finished my lease on a Cascadia, and I had the steering worked on several times for feeling loose.
I hate paccar, i work on them occasionally. Basically iv never gotten good at diagnosing them, so the new guys get most of that work now. Im starting a new job soon so im watching paccar videos to brush up on them. Good video.
2013 was the 1st yr I had a paccar 13sp tran.. it was a dam good 386.. 2016 was the next one 12sp auto 495k miles trk was a champ best fuel milage I ever got was 6.8 to 7.2 but that depended on how heavy my foot was on that load and of course the load.. 2020 579 still paccar auto had shit ton of problems more than I've had in a long long time but fuel milage was better around 8.1 love the paccar motor I've have the dd13 and cumming paccar has been my fav hands down.. there just nosey fuks over at paccar and had to fight to let them open it up back on the 13yr trk.. now I just leave like I get em😉.. and yes the Cummings I had was the 11 is and it was complete trash at the end was in the shop seems like every month.. my new trk is supposed to have the new Cummins I'm super leary..lov my paccar
My Unlce had a 379 Pete with a 3406B he was never at a loss for pulling power. Before he retired from the trucking industry he put about 3 million miles on that motor.
I've ran the PACCAR mx 13 since 2010 and as with all engines problems are to be expected. I feel the mx 13 has been a great motor but emissions suck just as all emissions. When I decided to go with the mx 13 it was all about warranty cost and coverage.
When Paccar acquired DAF in the 90s, a major reason was DAF's diesel engineering and manufacturing capability that Paccar lacked. The Europeans were vertically integrated in engines... Most of the US competitors were not, and the Europeans were facing the toughest diesel emission standards in their home market. Today, the US and Euro standards are very similar makeing MX 11 and MX 13 were a valuable addition to Paccar's internal capabilities.
Paccar engines/DAF, were created in 1928. They are every bit as old as most engine makers here in North America. Although they’ve been known to have head issues at around 800,000km, they are in my opinion/experience trouble free. I did the head in January of 2020 on my 14 and it hasn’t seen the shop since for anything.
Actually PACCAR only acquired DAF trucks in 1996. The present PACCAR engine only started in development after 1998 until the present day. IT is used widely around the world being very popular in Australia as well as Europe. It is gaining in popularity in the USA but it will take time to win over the die hards.
@@anthony1636 in the UK DAF(Paccar) still the number one selling truck due to its simplicity in design and ease of parts plus driver comfort. Scania and Volvo are more luxurious and high tech but for fleet operators DAF is still king.
@@Beksization Yep the same here in some ways. I Love the PACCAR brand and its very underrated here. But they are gaining a following for being economic and not prone to major breakdowns. Although they still suffer from emission faults.
@@anthony1636 it is safe to say that technology wise, it would be just as old a company as the big three here. Cummins X15 is a very new motor. Detroit are always updating and changing as well. And Cat…well, I’m sad they’re gone. I think they’ll catch on sooner or later. My 14 had bugs for sure, but my buddy has a 17 and 21 and they’ve been stellar. Things are so different these days.
I have a 2019 VNL with a X15 (do not like the Volvo engines myself) paired with a Ultra Shift Plus 13 speed. With now 340,000 MILES on it I have had no problems with that motor at all. 60 day average at 8.02 MPG running basically 61 MPH. All the issues I have had so far have been fixing Volvo related issues. I have been thinking about a 5700XE with a DD15 setup. I have always had really good luck with Cummins and Detroit IMHO (don’t know if that’s right) they are worthy of the investment.
I pull cattle liners through the BC mountains back and forth to Alberta and I put 250,000km on a 2019 D13 in the last year and typically pulling 60-65,000 lbs. I found it quite underpowered to be honest, very hard on the truck. But lighter loads it was great.
Very interesting to listen to your appreciation of each of those engines. I’m a motorcoach driver and we only have 2017 and newer Prevost H3-45s in our fleet. They are equipped with the Volvo D13 and an Allison 6 speeds bus transmission. Although I saw some companies with those same buses, same engine and there were always a couple of warning lights lighted in the dash, now where I work I’ve never seen a warning light and never heard of anybody getting stranded with this bus/engine. Of course it is less hard on an engine to power a motorcoach, even when it is full of passengers and luggage, but still… There must be a way to keep those Volvos going strong with good and thorough maintenance!
I am a big truck inspector. I've been doing it for about 8 years now. You mentioned that you weren't sure about when the Paccar engine came out. I don't know what year they actually started making them but I've inspected KW and Pete's from about 10 and they had the Paccar engine. According to what I know they started making them when the DEF system was required. So they have been out for at least 10 years now.
I'm getting 9 miles empty and 7 loaded on a paccar 10 speed manual ET on 2015 mx13 paccar definitely isn't bad im not used to how hot these new motors run on average
Great vid , you know a lot more then many mechanics out there , Also I run Detroit engines for 14 years and had CAT before that , ,,,nowadays Fule price and expenses, you can’t get a better engine then Detroit .
Your not going to blow anybody off the road but hands down the DD15 is far best motor especially for the owner operator..Also this motor is very driver mechanic friendly lots of stuff you can fix yourself if you are mechanically inclined.
The DD15 is like a Honda engine. You can find parts just about anywhere and just about any shop can work on it. When I drove a Volvo and a KW I always had to go to a dealership to have them worked on and parts were hardly ever in stock. That being said, Volvo and KW were a lot more comfortable truck to drive for a shift. I didn’t feel nearly as beat up at the end of my shift like I do with my FL.
@@youngrevival9715 And if you crack it loose...replace it. It's not like troubleshooting the older PLN systems. Also, the tiniest amount of dirt will destroy it.
Traded in a long nose wit a yellow engine for a Volvo D13-425hp 13od....the fuel saving wit the Volvo made the payment. Now at 900k and have not had it back to the dealer for repair other than scheduled matinance. Would buy another in a heart beat.
I only had D13 engines for the past 10 years... 500hp and now 520hp, all of them have made 2 million km.... Never had problems... Looks like in the states they aren't made like in Europe....
I work at the mack volvo powertrain plant and can confirm the d13 as well as the d11s are garbage. There's a new prototype we're building currently with the gear driven turbo setup being much larger than the current compound setup. It makes 560hp and 2200 lb ft of torque. It seems to be more durable than the current engines.
For my personal opinion I would go with the Cummins because one you can take it anywhere to get fixed and to they have been around for years because even Dodge trucks have them.
@Donald Trump jr yes true and another thing I will never buy a truck with a paccar engine because I dont care if they said they fixed there problems with it but I dont trust them.
Out of all of the current available engines the dd15 is probably the best option. What I like about the dd15 is that its a large displacement and when set at 450hp it will last much longer. I would not want a 550hp 13L engine because it is working harder to produce that power level.
33 years as a truck mechanic, I have to agree with most of what was said. If you are thinking of buying an older ISX, pull the valve cover and check the cam and rollers (or have a mechanic do it). Company I work for has about 100 trucks, we had a lot of issues with the ISX cams and rollers. We run overheads at 500,000 miles and about half of our ISX had issues. The X15 seems to be holding up, I have ran about 12 overheads so far and no issues with them. We tested 4 trucks with the Navistar engine and ended up giving them back to the dealer (underperformance and problems). Volvo performed ok for us. As a mechanic, it just seemed like every job was a bitch and hated working on them. We had some Paccar engines in the past. A couple engines spun some bearings and always had emission problems. I consider older Paccar unreliable. WTF were they thinking when they hid the fuel dosser where they did. I have not touched a Detroit since the 90s- so no opinion given here.
100% on the same page as a mechanic. New Detroits are easy to work on and go like hell just like the old ones. Havent had any emission issues or really anything with the new western stars at my work
I had a 2007 VNL780 with the D13. My experience with that truck was identical to yours. WIthin the first 250k miles the EGR system failed three times, multiple sensor failures, oil line failure (that was fun) turbo failure, and two injectors failed. It's sad to see that even a decade plus later they still have all the same issues.
Ronan note for a future video. The Volvos in the fleet, are they D13 or D13TC? Heard the TC other than a more complex turbo system (future repair cost) they are much better.
@oramlll they were VGT. Too much low speed builds up deposits and they jam up requiring removal to clean. Jams cause limp mode and nobody wants that on a work truck.
Very informative video! Only thing that I would correct you on is that trucks use ENGINES. Engines run on dead dinosaur and MOTORS are ran off of electricity.
I agree with you with everything. This is the value of experience vs a new graduate with no Grey hairs and that's for any field of work. Don't ever make the mistake of trusting your health or livelihood on a recent graduate.
I think the Paccar MX is the most innovative engine on the US market today. Of course every engine has it's issue but anyway these engines are match lighter in weight, economical in fuel and very quiet!
I own one and I totally agree. I've had some DEF issues but that's it the motor itself is great. From my research the dd15 is going 1.2 million miles before a rebuild. The mx13 1.6 million.
Company i drive for has had a few of them throw rods...I think they're gutless turds...had one make me 4 hrs late for my last delivery because they use cheap plastic coolant fittings on the block... European designed JUNK!
The place I work for has an X15 @605 hp,18 speed and 4.63 gears. It's our heavy haul and also has a 20k front axle. After going through the NB cajon scales( taking off from the bottom of the hill) it will be doing 65 mph at the top of Cajon loaded to 80 k.
I like the dd15 but i disagree with the automatics. They have allot of problems. And they are a pain in the backside when they start having problems. But I'm old school truck driver
A friend of mine has a beefed up 12V71TT in his 75 Peterbilt 359 Long Nose. Long live the 2-strokes....even if they pound fuel down like Andre the Giant would down beers.
I've driven them all besides the d13.The DD15 is the most dependable. Cummins is more powerful but more problematic. I had a 15 Pete with a mx13 maybe the most problematic engine I've driven. Codes, Codes, and more Codes.
@@MichaelSmith-nd4rr there were only 2 engines that they built in 1997!! That they built to good!! 1 - the international 7.3 that international sold to Ford!!! And Ford made the power stroke!! Wicth they have recorded of getting 1 million miles plus!!! And Detroit built the 12.7 that has been recorded as of getting up to 3.Million miles plus!!! Before a rebuild.
I work on buses but the D13 in Prevosts tend to run super well. Just lots of coolant leaks lool When they had the DD 60 series tho, that was bulletproof
I never wanna hear the word "mootar" again. They're engines. Motors need power to make power, engines make their own with fuel. "Electric motor" not electric engine" locomotive engine" not locomotive motor" sheesh.
Agree with a bit of this, disagree with some other stuff. To start with, I've been a Driver, Owner Operator and small company owner since 1984. Like Brian, I've tried out and driven various types of trucks with different set ups for the engine and transmissions.
Personally, you couldn't give me another Volvo...period. To many computers and electrical problems. Comfortable? Absolutely. But if you can't keep it out of the shop though, it's useless. I didn't have the problems Brian had, but then I didn't keep the truck past the Warranty. I did however have the truck wind up in the shop twice for over 2 weeks waiting on parts from Germany. The second time was the end of the line.
PACCAR... I'm not a fan, but they seem to have worked out a lot of the bugs from earlier on. Good fuel milage, but for me, lack power in the mountains.
Detroit... I still remember when you had to add a gallon of oil to the old Detroits daily or you were out of oil. They've come a long ways. The DD15 is a good engine and pulls well. Great fuel mileage and pretty inexpensive to repair with shops everywhere to get them worked on.
Cummins... this is my preferred engine. Great power, good fuel mileage and dependable as the change in seasons. Cost wise to repair, it depends on the problem, but mostly comparable to the Detroit. Blow an engine and you're looking at $57,000.00 to replace it, or depending on the damage, if it's rebuildable, about the same depending on damage.
Fuel mileage versus speed has been an on going debate forever and 2 days. Part of fuel mileage is gearing that nobody ever talks about. If you let a Dealer spec your truck out, your going to get piss-poor fuel milage in the mountains or rolling hills. For some reason, they seem to think that North America is all flat. Go figure. Spec your truck out to fit the areas You run. Personally, I'd rather get 4200 miles than 3200 miles a week. I don't agree with governing trucks to 62 or 65 mph. I will always feel that if you can't do the speed limit, you don't belong on the Interstate. Having said that, I also don't agree with running 90 mph anywhere. If you can't get where you're going doing the speed limits, you should have left sooner or rescheduled. For me, it's personal preference. I'd rather set my cruise and know that I'm not presenting an obstacle for everyone else that can do the speed limit to get around and move with the flow of traffic. Will you get better fuel mileage at 65 than 75? Yes. Will you cover the same mileage? Eventually, yes. But over a weeks time, the one running 75 is covering an extra 700 miles. So, again, it's personal preference and the areas you run.
A couple other things. 1) for those that want to run 80 - 90 mph; unless you're running special tires, your tires at NOT rated for speeds over 75 mph for long periods. Have a blow out and get in an accident or cause one and YOU are at fault because you were operating your equipment beyond its limitations. 2) Tire pressure. You probably hear this all the time, but it is the truth. Check your tire pressure and keep them at consistent pressures ( 110 lbs front, 100 lbs drive, 100 lbs tandems is my preference).
Anyways, happy motoring and stay safe out there.
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Great comment
100%
I luv when experience talks with como sense wisdom ... it's a beauty 2 be hold..👏..
I’m still using a N14 Cummins, best engine I’ve ever had.
It will go for ever !
Yep, got an old NTC855 in my 88 9370..,got her turned up and pulls like a champ
I got a Red Top 💪🏾
Best Engine brake also
Had a 525 red top 👌👌👌
Best engine ever!
I still own a serious 60 Detroit, man! The is a beast of a engine
had 3 detroits 1.5 million each very realible
I had a 12.7L 60 Series Detroit in a 2001 Freightliner FLD120. It was a decent engine but it didn't pull as hard as my M11 Cummins. I found out that the Detroits torque peak came a couple hundred rpm higher than the Cummins did. That obviously makes a difference in a big diesel when the rpm range is very limited as opposed to a gas engine in a car or pickup truck. Mine was also one of those that received a bad turbo from the supplier (obviously not Detroit Diesels fault) and it popped at around 125k miles-replaced under warranty. It was very fuel efficient though and other than those 2 things I have absolutely no complaints about it. I ran that truck for about 600k miles then went back to Cummins power when I traded it in on a 2006 Classic XL. All in all, I wouldn't hesitate (much lol!) to buy another Detroit 60 powered tractor if I needed to.
One of the best. The dd15 will never be a 60 series. Between 60 series. And the cat motors. 3406. C15. C16. And the old Cummins n14 and the big cams. You won't find any better.
Volvo D13 is a serious workhorse too.
I have a 14 L 60 series, I had the emissions stuff thrown in the garage and aftermarket turbo and manifold and custom tune. Makes 600+ hp now and good economy.
I’ve got a 2019 KW T680 with the Cummins X15. I’ve got 390,000 miles on it and so far I’ve had no engine issues with it. I’ve got mine set at the performance setting and the automated transmission and it gets anywhere from 6.7-7.5mpg and that’s running everywhere and at 70mph. I service mine between 20-30k miles to keep up and going good. my friend who is a Cummins mechanic told me that everyone who is running the recommended service intervals has more problems with things gumming up compared to owner ops that services engines closer to the old days. Doing the work myself it cost apx $400 for oil and all the filters. I know it’s long but hopefully it’s some use to someone who is looking for the right engine
Clip of Ronan saying I don’t know anything had me dying
Same 😂😂😂
I liked the Liam Neesan , “I will find you,” too, :)
I love the comment section on these videos you get everyone from the gear head truckers to the newbie’s and everyone in between. Wealth of little tid bits of knowledge.
Proper answer buy a pre-emissions truck with a Cat C15, 3406 or a Detroit 60 Series
Agree with that. 3406 easy 500+ HP and no emissions garbage
12.7 Detroit best ever!
N14 cummins 99 it last forever
@@juniordavis168 absolutely N14 525hp and your good to go.
What about the old 2-Stroke Detroit’s; a silver 92 was a screamer😂
Series 60 14L pre emissions and no VNT turbo. Great engine and incredibly reliable. Pulls the heavy loads up the hill and I'm happy with fuel economy.
To me old engine area gamble, those detroit series 60 12.7 or 14.1 are being redone a few times to get bigger cylinder and parts can be challenged and in the future maybe no one will be allow to drive pre emissions diesel truck, that's my thought on old engine.
@@AutosClasicosConMiguel maybe in California for the pre emissions and certain other places. Where I'm at they don't even check emissions. Cali wants to ban all internal combustion engines. And if I get many more years out of what I have it more than paid for itself. And I figure I have lots of time where I'm at. Plenty of parts our there. Dealers and online everywhere. Nothing to worry about so far as I've seen. And as for those emission trucks. They are having all kinds of issues with those and the costs to fix are outrageous. No thanks.
Drive a ‘99 Freightliner Classic, 12.7L Series 60 w/ Super 10. 6.2 avg.mpg. Wouldn’t take a bucketful of gold monkey nuts for it!
@@lewbaxter243 mines in a Columbia and it's been a good truck for what I need it for.
@@AutosClasicosConMiguel Right ! Stick with your dd15 or paccar and be happy in the truck shop in the waiting area...
2008 ISX here, OEM 600hp, over one million miles and going strong, after I figured it out. Learn how to maintain them and they all can last, to a point, as they all have their individual manufacturing issues. I like a Cummins ISX, for the reason I am able to have their engine and programing software on my laptop. That right there has saved me tens of thousands of dollars. Nice being able to plug in and diagnose on the fly, I haven't been to a dealer in years. And yes, I do my own overheads and other general maintenance, it is not hard. In framed the motor in the driveway too... Cummins supplies everything you need to do it yourself. Learn your truck, be proactive... For what it is worth.
Yep. I have an ISX @ 600, 13 over and 3.73 rears in my 06 Classic XL. I spec'd it and drove it off the lot in late 2005. Even though it didn't actually need one, I had an out of frame done at just under 1 million miles and I'm closing in on another million now. I also own a 2015 Cascadia and two 2020 KW T-680s with Cummins X15 engines @ 550. The Cassie has a 13 over, the KWs both have Ultra-Shift 13s and all of them have 3.73 rears. They've all been trouble free.
@@MikeBrown-ii3ptI believe that performance series is the good one
The best engine is the one that runs reliably
Best comment ever
Never got in one that bugs had to get out, plus truck adjusts to driver. People drive different
Sooo, none
@Donald Trump jr I want to buy a truck. T
I want to buy a truck. 6 years experience. Definitely want an APU on it. Still learning about engines. I believe in taking care of one.
Star mechanic from Australia here 🖐️ I work on both engines and from my time Iv found the Detroit seems to cost a hell of alot less than Cummins, honestly I'd pick a DD.. in my opinion they're a great engine, sure no new engine is as good as the old ones but we run them at 550hp 1850ftlb and if they're running up and down the coast with B-double you'll likely see 1.2 to 1.5 million KMs before overhaul.. on road train and stock work you'll see 850k to 1m KMs, maintenance is key with these engines they are very fine tolerance engines so keep your fuel and oil super clean, regular tune ups and they'll make lots of money, we've seen alot of X15s drop liners at 500,000km and found Cummins warranty doesn't seem to be as good as Penske which is disheartening.. had lots of good will from Penske even post warranty
The end of the day.. they may not pull as hard as the x15 but they will make more money, but the DD16 is due to arrive on our shores soon and with 600hp and 2050ftlb they may give the old Cummins a fair run.. thanks guys enjoyed the video always great to see what's happening on the other side of the road 👌🇭🇲
Get a few Scania trucks and they'll make Cummins and Detroit engines look like toys.
@@tntfreddan3138 tell me were I'm gonna find a set of metric Suzi coils in outback Australia, at least you can get parts for American trucks, 2 month wait out of Germany for something silly
Hey bud. I'm an apprentice diesel mechanic 1st yr in brisbane moving to adelaide. Do you reckon I continue my apprenticeship in a small shop or a dealer? We work mostly on anything at my current workplace and on a lot of trailers too. I'm thinking of going OEM and go to the mines once qualified.
@@marvinbarcenas9564 at the end of the day it depends what you want to do, dealers will generally make you a better technician as you will get more electrical work.. when Old mate down the road can't figure it out they'll send the customer to the dealer and because you are the dealer, the truck needs to be fixed before it leaves.. there's no one else to pass it on too, so you'll find some very clever blokes there, also you get training on the product your selling.. money isn't as good but dealers can take you places, by boss went to Japan for Isuzu world championships and placed 3rd in the world when he worked for Isuzu, another work colleague went to America with Cummins.. even my Detroit rep has been all over the world with Detroit..
Mining will make you good money but will burn you out after a few years and make you a dumb f#ck, change oil and ring caterpillar or Komatsu dealer when it gets too hard..
If big gear is your thing tho then go for dealers like cat, Komatsu, Hitachi you'll be better off than "working in a mine"
But there's more avenues than road transport or mining in the diesel game such as military, marine, railroads, plant
I'm currently a causal Tech teacher in heavy road transport teaching 1 day a week, it's $89 an hour and I teach first year apprentices like you how too sharpen a drill bit with 3 smoko breaks a day haha
Up to you at the end of the day which avenue you take but you may even get a mobile truck and start your own business one day.. charge $140 an hour.. but finish your apprenticeship, learn as much as you can and it'll pay off..
Spinning filters learning nothing in a mine might make you 140k a year but you work Christmas day.... Working for yourself will make you a whole lot more
@@mickromer6199 thanks for the advice mate. I didn't know that you only do services in the mines. That is my goal in the future, to work for my self. So if dealership would make me a better tech, I suppose it's the place to learn for me as an apprentice.
I'm more rooted working on trucks rather than machineries as I grew up with trucks around me. Where did you do your apprenticeship by the way? Our instructor at tafe was an ex mechanic in the army. That is a pretty good position you got there haha. But you did your time on the floor also so you deserve that one. Are you still working on your other days as an active mechanic?
Got a 2007 volvo d12 with a 13 speed manual. Around 3.2 million kms which is roughly 2 million miles on the original engine. Will get another truck soon because of the rust and how old it is but engine is original and one of my favorite trucks I've own. I found it more reliable than my frieghtliner columbia with the detroit 60 series.
D12. Beautiful engine
Any work done to it? Valves or injectors?
I PUT 1 MILLION MILES ON THE 2007 VOLVO D12 AND I SPENT AROUND $300.00 ON ENGINE REPAIR BESIDES THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE
Older pre emissions vovlo engine are really underrated.
I had one too and you are 100% right this was the best engine in my 35-plus years of driving in North America
This guy knows what he’s talking about. Thank you for the advice. In the process of buying a rig myself. 🙏🏽
Really? He purchased Volvo's D-13 engine & mated it to an Eaton 18-gear manual transmission.
Volvo D-13 & Paccar MX-13 engines were designed to operate with their own automatic transmissions, from these same manufacturers.
Volvo, Paccar & Scania offer the whole drive train (engine + transmission), so if you are going for one of those engines, get their auto transmission.
If you want to drive a manual, Cummins is probably your best best; especially if you need stronger engines. X-15 Performance, with 605 hp & 2,050 ft-lb, with an 18-gear Eaton transmission, is likely the best choice.
We've got a 500hp X15 in a 2018 T800 roll off truck. Way over spec'd for what we use it for, but its got about 225,000 miles on it now, and it hasn't had a single problem.
225,000? That's a trip around the block.
@@shortchange26 Yup, its a roll off truck, so it never goes more then about 100 miles from home base in a day. Nothing compared to the highway guys.
Talk to us when it hits 500 thousand miles that’s when the after treatment crap starts having very expensive problems
Not even a D.E.F. sensor? Ours go bad like clockwork and cripple the truck.
@@shortchange26 😂😂😂😂😂
We pull with Volvos D13 diesel and D13 LNG versions with two trailer here in Finland. The vehicle combination weight is 68 - 76 tons (149914 - 167551 lbs ). Total lenght is 32 - 34 meters (104 - 111 ft) and has 11 or 12 axles. I drive such a combination for my work and I can say that the Volvo D13 engines perform well in this job.
Yesssss , agree to you . ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼 the volvo engine is a best engine and have so power and pulling , in my country " iran " in middle east , most of truckers work with volvo d.13 fh . 😊😊👌🏼✌🏼🙏🏻🙏🏻
@Claudio Canavaro I think you know very little about trucks and truck engines, especially Volvo
I must tell you that in Africa and Asia, as you say, they ride donkeys, not trucks
I must say that in Yemen as well as in my country, most of the super heavy loads are carried by Volvo and D13 and D16 engines💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼. It is true that American engines are very good, but Volvo engines are not weak. 😏😏😏
@@mohammmadm.b9615I have D13 volvo very powerful european truck I drive and I love it , also own a kenworth X15 is my 2nd favorite
I got the 605hp X15 Performance Series in my heavy spec 2018 W900. It’s got 900k kms on it and I’ve had NO problems.
wow you put 900k kms in 3 years?
@@PoliticalGangster 4 years I bought it in 2017, but it’s a 2018 model year
Fuel mileage is good but I want a good pull on a steep hill and don’t take cheap loads and 6 miles a gallon should be no issue. I have a 98 Detroit 60 series 12.7 and tuned and get 6 miles a gallon , oh and it pulls great on the hills now after Tunning it
Detroit Allison has stand alone shops in addition to Freightliner dealerships. The reason I bought my cascadias was because there are 2 Freightliner dealerships and a Detroit Allison shop within a 30mi radius.
Something to think about when buying a new truck.
Detroit and allison are different companies detroit is owned by freightliner and mercedes owns freightliner
@@moparjr89 yup but the name of the facility is Florida Detroit diesel Allison, I just left the diesel out.
That’s pretty smart. A lot of farmers play the tactic.
I’ve always been a Detroit guy, nobody can say anything bad about a series 60. But I’m for the X15 now cause when you factor in the cost of a Detroit one box it takes all your great numbers and flushes them. And the fact that it cost about as much as an in-frame to replace it, and it seems to go out at about 700,000. You pay that off then you do have an in-frame right around the corner
That POS Onebox was $11k last year when we replaced one. When the FQV Valve takes a shit every year or two it over fuels, throws NOx codes, needs a DOC face plug cleaning daily and will eat a Onebox each year.
DD15 and DD13 are Mercedes Benz engines.
Daimler is taking advantage of Detroit's prestige.
@@PepperDarlington the diagnosing process to replace one box is crap. First they have you replace nox sensors, 7th injector, def sensor etc. And then if truck still can't regen, it's the one box. I had a 2017 freightliner Cascadia with 690K. Total cost for everything was $15K. My extended warranty went out at 685K. It sucked.
Serious 60 detroit were very good motor back in the days I ran my motor 1.8 million miles before I did an overhaul ..cat motor were another impressive motor for mong time til sold out .then paccar motor came in selling this motor problems the peterbilt dealer was the only dealer who had the diagnostics system coding that was terrible problem to drivers many newer motor are made by manufacturing companies engineers to GREASE YOUR POCKETS..THATS MECHANICALLY SAYING TAKEN YOUR MONEY..ON CONSTANT MOTOR ISSUES PROBLEMS..MANY OLDER VETERAN DRIVERS LIKE MYSELF AND ITHERS KNOWS BACK IN THE DAYS. CATS, DETROIT 60 SERIOUS, M14 MOTOR WAS AMAZING GOOD THAT DEPENDS ON YOUR PREFERENCES..AND PARTS FEES TOO ON REPAIRS,..SADDLY CAT PILLARS SOLD OUT, NEBER AGAIN THE SAME ON BUILDING UP MOTORS, DETROIT'S 60 SERIES..YOU HAD MANY DRIVERS REPAIRING THERE RIGS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROADS , WHY, THEAE WERE GREAT MOTORS AND BUILT WELL, THEN YOU BECOME SO FAMILIAR WITH YOUR MOTOR PARTS , YOU JUST CARRIED AN EXTRA PART IN SIDE BOX..YOU, ALREADY KNEW WHAT IT WAS THE PROBLEM THAT MAY NOT NEED TO GO IN A SHOP, YOU CAN CHANGE YOYRSELF...TRUCKERS WAS SO HAPPYIER MORE THEN..TIL ALL THESE DARB MOTOR CHANGES TO SUCKERED...NIEVE YKU OUT OF MORE COMMISION MONEY INTO BUYING HEADACHE ' PARTS NOT TOO FAMILIAR NOW !! THIS, WAS THE WHOLE IDEA IN THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY AMBITIOUS BUSINESS PARTNERS GREED .!! MAKING SURE ENGINEERS CAN COME UP WITH NEWERR TECHNOLOGY IN MOTORS THAT CANT BE SO EASILY CAPABLE TO REPAIR ON THE WIDE OF THE ROAD AND JERP ROLLING TOOK THE FUN OUT OF TRUCKING AND CREATING AND DEVELOPING SOFTWARE'S AND MOTORS TO CASH IN MORE TRUCKING DILEMMAS ON BREAKFOWNS KEEPING THE TRUCKER BROKEDOWN MORE AND SELLING MORE PARTS THAT DONT FREAKING WORK PROPERLY STRESSING OUR TRUCKERS AND GREASING OUT HARD WORKING DRIVERS ...THEN, CAME POLITICIANS MIXING WITH THE INDUSTRY ALL HAD CALIBRATIONS WITH MANUFACTORING COMPANIES AS INVESTOR SHARES AND NOT TRUCKER FRIENDLY BUSINESS OWNERS TRYING TO SURVIVE WITH ALL THESE NEWER MOTORS WITH BELLS AND WEED WHISTLE PROBLEMS BREAKING DOWN CONSTANTLY THEN MAKE COMMISION THAT'S ONLY GOING TOWARD REPAIR BILLS...MAKING TRUCKING INDUSTRY AS A SMALL FLEET OR O/P TO SURVIVE AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE QUOTE NEWER ENGINE OF TODAY !!! LEAVE THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY OUT OF POLITICIANS AND PRIVATE INVEDTOR CORRUPTED FROM MINGLING WITH HARD WORKING PEOPLE IN TRUCKING THEN, WE CAN RESET BACK TO GOOD TIMES !! NOONE, REGULATES LONG DOUBLE STACK CHO CHO RAILROADS TOO MANY INVESTOR SHARES BIT DIG IN SMALL FLEETS AND OP OWNERS TRYING TO LIVE AND SURVIVE TI "" SUPOORT FAMILY "" MAKING IT STRESSFUL DMN IT...TRUCKING WAS THE LOWRST PAYING JOB, NPONE CARED FOR BACK THEN, UN RESPECT INDUSTRY..BUT MANY TRUCKERS WERE AT LEAST SURVING ON AND SUPPORTING THE FAMILY ..NOW, TIO MUCH GREED IN THE COOKIE JAR .DMN IT AND NO RESPECT TO OUR HARD WORKING CLASS DRIVERS COMPANY OR OWNERS TRYING TO LIVE. .TOO MABY REGULATIONS, PARKING FEES , PARTS HIGH. BREAKDOWNS MORE. FRIEGHT CHEAPER THEN EVER, FUEL HIGH, SUPPLIES DELAYS I CAN GO ON ETC..I BEEN THIS INDUSTRY CLOSE TO 30 YEARS ITS IN YOUR BLOOD, APPRECIATION IN THE INDUSTRY WAS THEN, WE GAVE OUR HEARTS TO MOVE AMERICA FRIEGHT NO WORRIES, IT WILL BE DEKIVERED UNLESS WEATHER PREVENTED DELAY..ATTITUDE WE, WENT THE EXTRA MILE CARING FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AS GOOD SHEPARDS ON THE HIGHWAY GLING THAT EXTRA MILE MEANT HELL OF ALOT TO OUR CUSTOMERS BACKED UP IN DEMANDS ON GOODS IN NEED TO PROVIDE TO THERE DEMANDS DISTRIBUTION.. .MADE A YRUCKER FEEL GOOD AND PROUD CUSTOMERS SATUFIED SEAL WITH A SMILE AND GOOD MORNING ATTITUDE , HAVE SOME COFFEE AND DONUTS DRIVERS GLAD TO SEE YOU, MADE THROUGH..THAT WAS REWARDING FEEKING TO THOSE OLD TIMERS IN THE INDUSTRY PUMP YOUR BLOOD OF ANOTHER SATISFIED CUSTOMER MADE YOU FEEL GOOD TOO ESPECIALLY DURING WINTER IN NEED OF WINTER SUPPLIES...BUT THE WORLD FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR TRUCKERS BACK IN DAYS CHEAP WAGES NO GOOD BENEFITS, BUT IT WASNT JUST THAT, THE FULLFILLMENT OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE AND GET'R DONE THAT EXTRA HOURS BEHIND THE WHEEL THOSE FROSTED CHEEKS AND WRAPPING UP TO WARMER CLOTHING AS YOU SHUT THAT DOOR, ONE THING CAME ON LIKE A DASH LITE ON...THAT WAS DEKUVERING ON TIME SEALED WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE SATISFACTION GUARANTEED !! MADE IMPACT IN MY LIFE, HOW TO RUN A BUSINESS, WITH EFFICIENCY AND GOOD SPIRIT OF CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIPS IS NUMBER ONE TO PROVIDE OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE IS WITH A GREAT ATTITUDE """ ALWAYS NO MATTER WHAT SEASONAL CHANGES NOR ANYTHING ELSE ALWAYS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT YOUR TRAVELS AND QUALITY DELIVERANCE SMILING FACES GOING PLACES IS MY LOGO...KEEPS GOOD HEART WELL NO MATTER WHAT GOES ON IN THE WORLD OF CONFUSIONS !! I GREW UP IN THIS INDUSTRY ITS DEEP ROOTED I PASS IT ON TO NEW DRIVERS AND FAMILY IN TRUCKING...OLD SAY..CANT GO FAR IN LIFE; IF YOU DONT CHANGE THAT ATTITUDE !!! LIKE CANT GO FAR IN LIFE , IF YOU CANT CHANGE THAT FLAT TIRE !!! ALWAYS STUCK NOT FORWARD OR BACKWARD...CHANGE IT , AND YOULL MOVE FORWARD IN LIFE WITH GREATER POSSIBILITIES THAN EVER BEFORE...I SAY TO NEWER DRIVERS MAKE A OVERHAUL CHANGE IN YOU , TOO NOT JUUST YOUR MOTOR !! 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X15 aftertreatment cost the same
im an owner operator with a 2020 peterbilt got the x15 cummins with 650k miles still running great
Lovely!
I had a kenworth with a paccar good fuel economy truck but stayed in the shop with deration a lot ,Cummins I like the most but constant problems,D13 I m running now and its the best
I run a dd13 and I'm happy with it so far
i work at the volvo plant in dublin and we still put a lot of d11’s in the trucks. those and d13’s is all that volvo uses now besides the x15
Drove right by y'all about a week ago in my 2020 valvo picking up a load of candle's around the corner. That place is huuuuuuge
Paccar engines are Daf engines, Daf has been manufacturing engines for almost all of its history, well the entire Paccar powertrain is DAF, which is the first brand within the group, Daf keeps the exclusivity of the best engines for themselves, for KW and PETE you only have old and lower quality versions.
Is that so?
The issue I have with Cummins these days is almost all their parts come from China and they’re garbage! I’ve literally had to get 3 different oil pumps before I got one in spec.
Yes I agree with that.
I Don't know much about the DD15 does their parts/sensors also come from China?
I ran a 2020 International with an X15 all summer. I got about 9 miles to the gallon until I got up over 70,000 lbs and she went up and down the Appalachians all day every day. I did not get her out to the Rockies. She had no problems going up and down the little hills. I did not like backing up that automatic with a heavy load on a hot day. I averaged 8.8 MPG over 30,000 miles. The truck already had 225,000 on it when I started driving it.
That 10 speed trans SUCKS for backing up. It will not crawl like others can. Other than that the x15 is a great motor
When you can gross 80.000 and achieve 9 mpg you will have something to bragg about.
I have a 17' T680 w/ a Paccar MX13 w/ a 13 spd. Absolutely love it. Just about 500k miles. Had a clutch brake replaced. A sensor here and there. That's it. No engine issues at all. I believe the key is to not let it idle. Don't let it idle and you won't have any emissions issues including egr. I maintain it vigorously. Under a 30k load, I average 7.2-7.5 mpg with the 13spd and 3:25 rears. I believe the problems Paccar had was pre-15' I think. Someone else will know for sure.
True that about the idling. I work with the MX-13's for DAF in Netherlands where it was designed. We have the same shit and that's exactly what we do to prevent trouble.
When warning lamps are illuminated on the dashboard you are aware that your DD-15 engine is running !
Thanks for that clue, Vic P.
I've been using DD15 and DD16 for the last 12 years and I think they are the best engines ever made.
we have a 19' mp8 Mack Anthem over 200000 and its been great, one emission sensor went bad on the 19' so far. Have 2020 Western Star dd15 with over 200000 and the engine, has been great, zero engine emission problems with the western star.
The first time I saw an MP8, I was like, how am I gonna get anywhere with this teeny tiny block?
That was the first truck I could split gears and I was blowing the doors off other drivers.
Most emissions problems are caused by shit wire harnesses. WS doesn't skimp on theirs, unlike Volvo/Mack and PACCAR
Thank you for giving the Detroit Diesel high
Ratings. I like how you talk about people still Loving there 18 speed's. Myself have a
8-71 with a 5 speed Spicer back. Also have a old 1978- 353 Detroit on a piece of Heavy Equipment I own. I baby both Detroit's
They are my play toys. And YES you MUST shift the 8-71 at the right RPM. I keep clean oil in each of them. Change the Fuel Filters often. I have had NO issues with 353 Detroit, owned backhoe sense 2003. Have put 100s of Hours on her. Just seal Leaks on Hydraulic cylinders, that get old and leak, start Leaking on the chrome.
I Love the sound of my 8-71. Put two stacks up straight. That's what my wife wanted. Did not want smoke blowing on Kids on a parade route
The stacks or pipes where going down and out the side on curb side, at running boards. It was quit'er thought like that. Thank you again. Very helpful to Learn the new stuff.
I'd take a screaming Jimmy over the 4-strokes.......especially if it's a twin turboed 12V71 that's all beefed up.
Btw....the 12V71 displaces 851.16 cubic inches......13,9L for those who use metric......12 cylinder.
A larger engine only sucks up fuel, if you keep the pedal to the metal.
If you drive it smart, you have power when you need it, and you can take it easy on it and get good fuel mileage.
Great video. I'd have to tell you Detroit was last on my list just before the Navistar engine, but the more I hear mechanics say what they like to work on and what they wouldn't touch, I'd have to agree with you. Thanks, this was very enlightening. Just watch the mileage on these engines as well, as a lot of Detroit's don't become available until they're up there in mileage.
The Volvo D13 with the turbo compound is a reliable and efficient workhorse. It's got tons of torque all over the rev range
I also have the d13 and no other motor comes close. Use be Cummins but after getting d13 never go back and stay with the volvo motor.
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I drive volvo fh16 750 and I am around 10 mpg with typical loads in Europe 40 tones (80000pounds).
Torque is unbelievable
@@thomtrucker1925 Nice very nice. I wish that Powertrain was available here.. what sort of Manifold boost pressure are you seeing under full load???
You should testdrive the new Volvos both d13 turbocompound 500, regular d13 540, and of course top of the line d16 650, and d16 turbocompound 750. Bulletproof. We also have a small secret to you, called Scania 770 next gen... Wounder when Volvo hits the 800??
Oil thermostat went out on my 2016 ISX 15 back in June. I though it was the coolant thermostat causing the overheating despite I was getting the message of hot oil, so I had the coolant thermostat replaced and then I run it for another week and I ended up taking two liners, truck was little over 641000 miles when I put it in the shop. I had to do the in frame, oil pump, cut the block and new injections for roughly $28000 US. I my opinion the ISX that I have is a great engine, you just have to know how to find the problems, I'm sure my engine would reached the million miles without a problem if it wasn't for the oil cooler thermostat going bad and not fixed on time. Now the truck is fixed with almost 40000 on the rebuild and runs like a dream again.
Dropped a 06 ISX and went to the wrecking yard got myself a engine with a cracked front cover for $3000 and went home and swapped it myself, $4600 total and a week, new clutch and all new gaskets, runs good, been in for two years now
I have a 22 579(old body style) with the mx13 and paccar driveline/axles and am averaging 8 mpg running 70 mph. Engine specs 455hp/1650 torque. So far at 97k miles it's been trouble free. Pulls great with 12 speed auto. It's my first paccar motor and I'm impressed so far. Have driven all the motors over 29 years and I'd rank the MX right up at the top so far.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
It’s all about money, if you spend less money on fuel compare to other engines, you have a good motor
As far as I know, DD15 is most fuel efficient compared to others, so, that should be the indicator for a good engine.
Everyone's experiences are different. I own a 2016 Volvo D13 and have had almost zero issues with it. Runs 75mph all day, passing almost everyone. A friend of mine liked his Volvo so much he just bought another one.
Niceeeee
This video was incredibly resourceful and detailed from the driver's view thank you. I had a cummins isx cm870 in a 05 volvo for the past 8 of my owner operator career and the engine literally blew up a 1.7 million miles. these engines are essentially the choices nowadays and was leaning towards a x15 or dd15.
Only 1.7M mi...cheap junk sheesh
Seriously, I love this guy. I would love for him to be my mentor. I want to see more of him, and Kali(Kaly maybe? Idk). Them two together is fricken gold
Oh, and I want to see Ronen in a truck one day. That's my dream
@@link7935 yeah, good idea! That would be funny if Ronen checked and assessed different trucks and shared his thoughts about it. Like just a regular person using a vehicle.
@@malyshevvasiliy9541 That's an awesome idea! I'm a regular 4 wheeler, starting school on monday. I can't wait to see how different it is to haul around a 53' trailer vs a 23' camper! But if he's done neither, it would make it even greater! Regardless, I want to see him turning a wheel. It'd make for some great content!!!
I drive a Paccar MX13 with a 12 speed auto in Northern and Central Nevada. There are some hills I drive through, not the Sierra Nevada's, and it pulls pretty good at around 73,000 lbs. I usually average around 7.5 miles per gallon.
how is it now? & what year? im looking at a 2019 t680 with one in it.
I still run my '03 Intl 9400i 72" Skyrise with Detroit 12.7L non-egr, 10-sp direct with 2.64 rears on 11R22.5 rubber and 7.5 mpg is normal. When my truck is in shop I have rented brand new Intl LT's with the Cummins X-13 with 10-sp automatic and the new Mack with their MP-8 and 12-sp automatic. Honestly the Cummins pulls like a beast but the motor sounds like it's gonna blow any minute, they scare me. The Mack on the other hand with the 12-O.D. auto trans and 455 Hp MP-8 is balanced and does the job damn well without a sweat. Throw a hill at a Mack in cruise and it just does it and most of the time in the top gear. Where the Mack setup really shines is backing under a loaded trailer or backing into a dock. Just feathering the throttle manages a gentle hookup and connecting with the dock without trying to knock the building down like the Eaton autoshift transmissions are famous for. While the Mack's are not huge spacious cabs, fact is they are performers and especially well suited for local LTL work. Volvo's I had a bad experience with many years ago and refuse to try another. The Intl LT with Eaton autoshift not fun to drive, extremely bad (very hard) suspensions and not my favorite. No experience yet with the Freightliner Cascadia's with Detroit but maybe looking. My truck is very old with completely rebuilt engine that runs circles around today's trucks and gets damn good fuel mileage but I am contemplating a newer truck with autoshift and smaller sleeper cab / shorter W.B. for local LTL work and construction hauling. It's a toss between Mack Anthem and Freightliner Cascadia and I need more information and do more research because at my age, I want it to be my final truck purchase of my life. My biggest concern is learning to perform maintenance on the DPF systems, how often, and how much. Freightliner trucks have two DPF filters, the Mack only one. The Mack is the easiest to service, don't know about Freightliners yet.
Running a 2013 deleted paccar. Works great! I’d say the n14 is better but compared to the c15 accert I had it’s got no issues
I seen d13 with over 1.5 million miles for a modern engine impressive, in today's market all the engine manufacturers are really competitive, based on my experience with volvo still go for the d13
Thank you for all the info, you are an inspiration for new truckers, please keep sharing your experience,,,,, it is of high value, I am an online safety instructor and I personally put your videos up to train my students.
Late 90's DAF trucks came with paccar motors, and they're quite reliable an can run millions of miles.
The Paccar MX engine has been built by DAF for at least 50 years, it’s an european engine that Paccar brought to the US in 2010
Paccar is 2000s DAF engine , earlier DAF engine was license Leyland.
On XE(C) engine we started swapping logo from DAF to Paccar. But they were still DAF 😉
I'm not a truck driver myself, but I still found this video to be very interesting. I was quite surprised to hear that a 12 speed automatic would get better fuel economy than an 18 speed manual, is that including the 18 speed automated manuals that are becoming more popular? My only experience with big trucks is from American Truck Simulator, which has if anything taught me that I really underestimated the skill of professional truck drivers. Mad respect to all of you that provide such a vital service while making it look easy!
Not to sure about the automated 18 speeds but I personally don’t like them as much as the new 12 speed automatics. Fuel mileage is a tricky thing to get down. For me it’s like 50% specs 25% terrain 25% the driver. What trailer or commodity you haul should be pretty much covered in the build specs and driver experience.
18-speed are usually triple-shafted gearboxes. Those 12-speed dual-shafted and lighter. Think of it like the fwd drive version of the vehicle gets better gas mileage than it Awd variant
Manuals haven't had better mileage in years.
I drove back in the 70s. The transmissions I drove are 4&4 , 5&3 and Roadranger's 13 and 15 speeds. The engines 318 Detroit. Cummins 220, 220 with a blower made it 262 hp. I also drove the 262 V8 and engine that you had to know how to run them. They were real easy to spit the crank out. I also ran 250 and 335 and the 903. I ran the west coast California Oregon Washington Nevada Arizona and Idaho.
Leave Ronen out of this. 😅😅😅😅 Funny af. As always, great content.
I'm running an 06' ISX (pre def) 565hp on an 18speed. Over 1.3million miles without anything to major going wrong. Fuel milage isn't great in my brick 379 and the gearing it's got but I was in high school when this truck was built lol
Update . My 07 pete 387 was getting 8.18 mpg this winter average speed 65 mph. Deleted C15 meow meow ! And it's got the good aftermarket exhaust manifold with a big single turbo , that thing is a beast. I have to get out of the fuel pulling hills because she starts to warm up pretty . It dominated many cattle pots in the hills too . Go big meow meow !!
Brian is my trucking spirit animal. Lol
Just gotta watch out for those '20 Cascadias that are made in Mexico. They had "quality control issues" with loose steering columns and I doubt they won't have other issues. Just have a good checklist for the drivers and mechanics.
I actually feel door for guys forced to spend extended time in Cascadias, they just aren't comfortable for me at all.
Heard about that problem
Hmm, can we add the '19 Cascadia to the list too? I just finished my lease on a Cascadia, and I had the steering worked on several times for feeling loose.
I hate paccar, i work on them occasionally. Basically iv never gotten good at diagnosing them, so the new guys get most of that work now. Im starting a new job soon so im watching paccar videos to brush up on them. Good video.
Everyone does, trust me
2013 was the 1st yr I had a paccar 13sp tran.. it was a dam good 386.. 2016 was the next one 12sp auto 495k miles trk was a champ best fuel milage I ever got was 6.8 to 7.2 but that depended on how heavy my foot was on that load and of course the load.. 2020 579 still paccar auto had shit ton of problems more than I've had in a long long time but fuel milage was better around 8.1 love the paccar motor I've have the dd13 and cumming paccar has been my fav hands down.. there just nosey fuks over at paccar and had to fight to let them open it up back on the 13yr trk.. now I just leave like I get em😉.. and yes the Cummings I had was the 11 is and it was complete trash at the end was in the shop seems like every month.. my new trk is supposed to have the new Cummins I'm super leary..lov my paccar
My Unlce had a 379 Pete with a 3406B he was never at a loss for pulling power. Before he retired from the trucking industry he put about 3 million miles on that motor.
I've ran the PACCAR mx 13 since 2010 and as with all engines problems are to be expected. I feel the mx 13 has been a great motor but emissions suck just as all emissions. When I decided to go with the mx 13 it was all about warranty cost and coverage.
When Paccar acquired DAF in the 90s, a major reason was DAF's diesel engineering and manufacturing capability that Paccar lacked. The Europeans were vertically integrated in engines... Most of the US competitors were not, and the Europeans were facing the toughest diesel emission standards in their home market. Today, the US and Euro standards are very similar makeing MX 11 and MX 13 were a valuable addition to Paccar's internal capabilities.
I’m in a International LT 2020 with a X15 Cummins. It hauls ass. And the one in my truck has 235000 and it’s running strong.
Paccar engines/DAF, were created in 1928. They are every bit as old as most engine makers here in North America. Although they’ve been known to have head issues at around 800,000km, they are in my opinion/experience trouble free. I did the head in January of 2020 on my 14 and it hasn’t seen the shop since for anything.
I have a 2014 daf xf 460bhp and she's experiencing a small oil leak. could be the seals or head.
Actually PACCAR only acquired DAF trucks in 1996. The present PACCAR engine only started in development after 1998 until the present day. IT is used widely around the world being very popular in Australia as well as Europe. It is gaining in popularity in the USA but it will take time to win over the die hards.
@@anthony1636 in the UK DAF(Paccar) still the number one selling truck due to its simplicity in design and ease of parts plus driver comfort.
Scania and Volvo are more luxurious and high tech but for fleet operators DAF is still king.
@@Beksization Yep the same here in some ways. I Love the PACCAR brand and its very underrated here. But they are gaining a following for being economic and not prone to major breakdowns. Although they still suffer from emission faults.
@@anthony1636 it is safe to say that technology wise, it would be just as old a company as the big three here. Cummins X15 is a very new motor. Detroit are always updating and changing as well. And Cat…well, I’m sad they’re gone. I think they’ll catch on sooner or later. My 14 had bugs for sure, but my buddy has a 17 and 21 and they’ve been stellar. Things are so different these days.
I have a 2019 VNL with a X15 (do not like the Volvo engines myself) paired with a Ultra Shift Plus 13 speed. With now 340,000 MILES on it I have had no problems with that motor at all. 60 day average at 8.02 MPG running basically 61 MPH. All the issues I have had so far have been fixing Volvo related issues. I have been thinking about a 5700XE with a DD15 setup. I have always had really good luck with Cummins and Detroit IMHO (don’t know if that’s right) they are worthy of the investment.
Also, the smaller Cummins engine is a 12 liter. X12 replaced the old ISX12 and is a new engine based on Cummins global engine design.
Can't beat a older Kenworth with a Cat engine hooked up to an 18 speed.
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The one I drive is hooked to a 13, love it. Is there a big difference between 13 and 18? I’m hauling a lot of loads around 110k.
@@blauer2551 I’ve found 18 speeds are more smooth than a 13 but 13s can take a beating and are pretty damn hardy
Cat motors are no where close as they used to be are far as reliability.
I pull cattle liners through the BC mountains back and forth to Alberta and I put 250,000km on a 2019 D13 in the last year and typically pulling 60-65,000 lbs. I found it quite underpowered to be honest, very hard on the truck. But lighter loads it was great.
You might need a big bore engine of 15L or greater displacement for that chore. What HP/torque did you have
What was your hp and tq rating at ?
Very interesting to listen to your appreciation of each of those engines. I’m a motorcoach driver and we only have 2017 and newer Prevost H3-45s in our fleet. They are equipped with the Volvo D13 and an Allison 6 speeds bus transmission. Although I saw some companies with those same buses, same engine and there were always a couple of warning lights lighted in the dash, now where I work I’ve never seen a warning light and never heard of anybody getting stranded with this bus/engine.
Of course it is less hard on an engine to power a motorcoach, even when it is full of passengers and luggage, but still… There must be a way to keep those Volvos going strong with good and thorough maintenance!
Thanks for watching!
"Building engines for 50 years" lol Detroit has been around for 80+ years and Cummins is over 100 years old.
DD15 is a Mercedes Benz engine.
@@pep5772 well, these guys have no less experience
weed is expensive i get that so you find better alternative .cummins 100 year old lol
Actually MANis the oldest manufacturer of diesel engines.It's a German brand
@@knoppenkearl Rudolf Diesel invented the 'Diesel' engine. Mercedes produced the first truck diesel.
I am a big truck inspector. I've been doing it for about 8 years now. You mentioned that you weren't sure about when the Paccar engine came out. I don't know what year they actually started making them but I've inspected KW and Pete's from about 10 and they had the Paccar engine. According to what I know they started making them when the DEF system was required. So they have been out for at least 10 years now.
I'm getting 9 miles empty and 7 loaded on a paccar 10 speed manual ET on 2015 mx13 paccar definitely isn't bad im not used to how hot these new motors run on average
Great information with driver experience behind it, Thank You.
Thanks for watching!
I have a series 60 14L with a 10 speed. Overall has been fairly reliable
Thanks for sharing!
I bet Honda would make one hell of a quiet and reliable semi motor.
Great vid , you know a lot more then many mechanics out there ,
Also I run Detroit engines for 14 years and had CAT before that , ,,,nowadays Fule price and expenses, you can’t get a better engine then Detroit .
I drive a 2010 Kenworth t270 with an 8.3l paccar. It does great mileage and no issues ever
That 8.3 Paccar is just a Cummins ISL in drag.
As a mechanic (not from North America) I would choose detroit too, just not a DD-15. GIVE ME THAT 12V71 BABY
Those get terrible fuel and oil mileage🤣
Have two trucks paccar and Cummins they’re both great paccar epa 13 and 10 are solid trucks
That's fairly surprising as Paccar is pretty hated within the community
Your not going to blow anybody off the road but hands down the DD15 is far best motor especially for the owner operator..Also this motor is very driver mechanic friendly lots of stuff you can fix yourself if you are mechanically inclined.
Don’t crack the fuel line you will cut your finger off with the rail pressure
The DD15 is like a Honda engine. You can find parts just about anywhere and just about any shop can work on it. When I drove a Volvo and a KW I always had to go to a dealership to have them worked on and parts were hardly ever in stock. That being said, Volvo and KW were a lot more comfortable truck to drive for a shift. I didn’t feel nearly as beat up at the end of my shift like I do with my FL.
@@youngrevival9715 And if you crack it loose...replace it. It's not like troubleshooting the older PLN systems. Also, the tiniest amount of dirt will destroy it.
Detroit, up and down the coq daily no issues, but the Cummins does pull the smasher a lil faster
Thanks for the info
Paccar engine is based on the Daf Trucks engine, paccar bought the Dutch truck factory years ago.
Thanks brother. I’m at Detroit diesel right now making your turbos. We love our customers 👍
Traded in a long nose wit a yellow engine for a Volvo D13-425hp 13od....the fuel saving wit the Volvo made the payment. Now at 900k and have not had it back to the dealer for repair other than scheduled matinance. Would buy another in a heart beat.
I only had D13 engines for the past 10 years... 500hp and now 520hp, all of them have made 2 million km.... Never had problems... Looks like in the states they aren't made like in Europe....
I work at the mack volvo powertrain plant and can confirm the d13 as well as the d11s are garbage. There's a new prototype we're building currently with the gear driven turbo setup being much larger than the current compound setup. It makes 560hp and 2200 lb ft of torque. It seems to be more durable than the current engines.
For my personal opinion I would go with the Cummins because one you can take it anywhere to get fixed and to they have been around for years because even Dodge trucks have them.
@Donald Trump jr Yes but I still will take a Cummins engine over any other engine.
@Donald Trump jr yes true and another thing I will never buy a truck with a paccar engine because I dont care if they said they fixed there problems with it but I dont trust them.
Out of all of the current available engines the dd15 is probably the best option. What I like about the dd15 is that its a large displacement and when set at 450hp it will last much longer. I would not want a 550hp 13L engine because it is working harder to produce that power level.
The DD15 is a marvel of modern diesel tech.
33 years as a truck mechanic, I have to agree with most of what was said. If you are thinking of buying an older ISX, pull the valve cover and check the cam and rollers (or have a mechanic do it). Company I work for has about 100 trucks, we had a lot of issues with the ISX cams and rollers. We run overheads at 500,000 miles and about half of our ISX had issues. The X15 seems to be holding up, I have ran about 12 overheads so far and no issues with them.
We tested 4 trucks with the Navistar engine and ended up giving them back to the dealer (underperformance and problems).
Volvo performed ok for us. As a mechanic, it just seemed like every job was a bitch and hated working on them.
We had some Paccar engines in the past. A couple engines spun some bearings and always had emission problems. I consider older Paccar unreliable. WTF were they thinking when they hid the fuel dosser where they did.
I have not touched a Detroit since the 90s- so no opinion given here.
100% on the same page as a mechanic. New Detroits are easy to work on and go like hell just like the old ones. Havent had any emission issues or really anything with the new western stars at my work
So you worked on the 2 strokes? They were phased out in early 90's I think.
@@tracewithaview6731 I was a lube tech back then, so not internally.
If I could afford a truck I would want reliability and fuel efficiency.
Thats what I look for in any vehicle which really comes to Ford
I had a 2007 VNL780 with the D13. My experience with that truck was identical to yours. WIthin the first 250k miles the EGR system failed three times, multiple sensor failures, oil line failure (that was fun) turbo failure, and two injectors failed. It's sad to see that even a decade plus later they still have all the same issues.
Ronan note for a future video. The Volvos in the fleet, are they D13 or D13TC? Heard the TC other than a more complex turbo system (future repair cost) they are much better.
@oramlll Wasn’t the Detroit TC a variable geometry system?
@oramlll they were VGT. Too much low speed builds up deposits and they jam up requiring removal to clean. Jams cause limp mode and nobody wants that on a work truck.
Cummins n14 525 hp really good motor
Very informative video! Only thing that I would correct you on is that trucks use ENGINES. Engines run on dead dinosaur and MOTORS are ran off of electricity.
We Americans call engines motors…no matter what runs them.
I agree with you with everything. This is the value of experience vs a new graduate with no Grey hairs and that's for any field of work. Don't ever make the mistake of trusting your health or livelihood on a recent graduate.
I think the Paccar MX is the most innovative engine on the US market today. Of course every engine has it's issue but anyway these engines are match lighter in weight, economical in fuel and very quiet!
I own one and I totally agree. I've had some DEF issues but that's it the motor itself is great. From my research the dd15 is going 1.2 million miles before a rebuild. The mx13 1.6 million.
Half of them are not making 300k miles
Company i drive for has had a few of them throw rods...I think they're gutless turds...had one make me 4 hrs late for my last delivery because they use cheap plastic coolant fittings on the block... European designed JUNK!
The place I work for has an X15 @605 hp,18 speed and 4.63 gears. It's our heavy haul and also has a 20k front axle. After going through the NB cajon scales( taking off from the bottom of the hill) it will be doing 65 mph at the top of Cajon loaded to 80 k.
I like the dd15 but i disagree with the automatics. They have allot of problems. And they are a pain in the backside when they start having problems. But I'm old school truck driver
I'd like to hear about the D13 with turbo compounding as far as mileage
Got 2 Detroit 8V71TI's in my boat. Love them!
A friend of mine has a beefed up 12V71TT in his 75 Peterbilt 359 Long Nose.
Long live the 2-strokes....even if they pound fuel down like Andre the Giant would down beers.
I've driven them all besides the d13.The DD15 is the most dependable. Cummins is more powerful but more problematic. I had a 15 Pete with a mx13 maybe the most problematic engine I've driven. Codes, Codes, and more Codes.
😬😬😵💫😵💫
the Navistar A26 is based on MAN's D26 engine...
Since now Navistar is 100% owned by Traton Group (MAN and Scania's parent company)
I love the Cummins! So much power!
The most reliable engine on plant earth is 7 + miles a gallon.
Detroit 12.7 Litter 430/470
Pre EGR.
Cat 3406
No way, N14 kicks it ass
@@MichaelSmith-nd4rr there were only 2 engines that they built in 1997!!
That they built to good!!
1 - the international 7.3 that international sold to Ford!!!
And Ford made the power stroke!!
Wicth they have recorded of getting 1 million miles plus!!!
And Detroit built the 12.7 that has been recorded as of getting up to 3.Million miles plus!!!
Before a rebuild.
I work on buses but the D13 in Prevosts tend to run super well. Just lots of coolant leaks lool When they had the DD 60 series tho, that was bulletproof
Sounds like the DD 60 was great stuff!
I never wanna hear the word "mootar" again. They're engines. Motors need power to make power, engines make their own with fuel. "Electric motor" not electric engine" locomotive engine" not locomotive motor" sheesh.
Motor motor motor motor motor.
Motorway, motorized, motorvehical and list goes on, just open up a bit for motor uaage in a beautiful language of english! Be safe on that motorway!:)