Who is Cirdan?

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  • Опубликовано: 1 ноя 2024

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  • @KomodoKebab
    @KomodoKebab Месяц назад +537

    Can you imagine how warm a wlecome Cirdan must have recevied upon finally making good on his dream and reaching the undying lands. All those elves he helped get there, all there to celebrate his arrival. At least that's how I like to imagine it, the warmest of welcomes for one of the greatest people the world had seen.

    • @YarPirates-vy7iv
      @YarPirates-vy7iv Месяц назад +58

      I like to think he was so old and set in his ways he just complained how his old place back in Middle Earth had a nicer view.

    • @georgeargon5113
      @georgeargon5113 Месяц назад +23

      What a touching take! The Tolkeins (father, son, and grandson) should have included that in the Appendixes.

    • @Knight-In-Green
      @Knight-In-Green Месяц назад +36

      I always imagined the inhabitants of Valinor as greedily consuming any and all news from Endor(Middle-Earth), resulting in a veritable Hobbit fan-club awaiting their arrival by the time Bilbo and Frodo get there. Hell, I imagine Galadriel and Aule himself welcoming Gimli! Now I'm envisioning an entire cultural trend of welcoming new arrivals and constantly keeping tabs on who is arriving when. A constant stream of excitement among the populace.

    • @E3ECO
      @E3ECO Месяц назад +15

      Bummer that he missed seeing the light of the Two Trees.

    • @OhioCruffler
      @OhioCruffler Месяц назад +10

      @@E3ECO But he also didn't carry the full grief of their loss. six of one...

  • @torontocitizen6802
    @torontocitizen6802 Месяц назад +575

    Cirdan was one of the very best elves that has ever been written. The world needs more Cirdans. Be a Cirdan.

    • @lukesayers5850
      @lukesayers5850 Месяц назад +6

      Preach.❤

    • @olixpatdo8181
      @olixpatdo8181 Месяц назад +6

      Saruman won’t agree

    • @batatah
      @batatah Месяц назад

      I love you

    • @Kanjo_Bazooie
      @Kanjo_Bazooie Месяц назад +3

      I. Am. Cirdan. (To the tune of I am Thundergun.)

    • @reallythatbad1
      @reallythatbad1 Месяц назад +5

      I prefer Hermey, myself. He wanted to be a dentist.

  • @andrewscoppetta4944
    @andrewscoppetta4944 Месяц назад +253

    Last time I was this early, Eru Iluvatar was still working on his harmonies

  • @davekuzyk5740
    @davekuzyk5740 Месяц назад +146

    Something about the way you make these videos makes Tolkien's lore 100% more interesting. And that's sayin' a lot 😊.

  • @Wolfeson28
    @Wolfeson28 Месяц назад +82

    Cirdan's line when he gives Narya to Gandalf is so beautiful. As we've seen here, Cirdan knows better than anyone the burden of staying true to a difficult duty over hundreds or thousands of years, and I think he sees something of a kindred spirit in Gandalf. He likely recognized on some level that Gandalf feared Sauron - that fear and thus empathy with others' fear is exactly why Manwe wanted Gandalf to go, but it also meant that his heart would need rekindling over time and that Narya was best suited to support him. Narya thus helped Gandalf stay true to his difficult task over the rest of the Third Age, just as it helped him rekindle the hope and courage in others that they would need to hold true in the fight against Sauron. The particular traits of that specific ring synergized perfectly with Gandalf's personality and his methods in a way that it probably wouldn't with any of the other Istari.

    • @BarrackObamna
      @BarrackObamna Месяц назад

      You’re thinking too hard into a made up story dude

    • @Widdershins.
      @Widdershins. 5 дней назад

      @@BarrackObamna All of life is a story. Every one of the billions of people who have lived, lived a story. We are formed, educated, and inspired by the stories we read, witness, and experience. The best thing we can do for ourselves is to think hard about the very best and most uplifting stories we encounter. It may be true that we are what we eat, physically speaking; but mentally, emotionally and spiritually we are what we read, hear, and allow into our minds and hearts. LofR is one of the best "foods for thought" we can ruminate over. You can't think too hard about courage, honor, virtue, and sacrifice...not if you ever hope to embody them yourself one day.

    • @BarrackObamna
      @BarrackObamna 5 дней назад

      @@Widdershins. you’re thinking too hard into a made up story buddy.

    • @Widdershins.
      @Widdershins. 5 дней назад

      @@BarrackObamna If it's a good and useful story, there's no such thing as thinking too hard about it. Wish you knew how to do it yourself. Oh well.

    • @BarrackObamna
      @BarrackObamna 5 дней назад

      @@Widdershins. you’re thinking too hard into my comment pal

  • @Calvinosaur
    @Calvinosaur Месяц назад +94

    Círdan had a representative at the council of Elrond: Galdor of the Havens. This makes him one of the first people outside Rivendell to learn of the Fellowship and its quest.

    • @dandiehm8414
      @dandiehm8414 Месяц назад +10

      He also sent Messengers to warn Orodreth of the coming disaster in Nargothrond, and on their way those same messengers sent helped Tuor escape Hithlum and sent him on his way to Gondolin.

    • @ethanfreel1222
      @ethanfreel1222 26 дней назад

      @@dandiehm8414 was this the Dagor Bragorlach (I have no idea how to spell it)? The fourth battle, where almost everyone in Beleriand got wrecked by Morgoth?

    • @dandiehm8414
      @dandiehm8414 26 дней назад

      @@ethanfreel1222 No - this was after the Dagor Bragollach. It was actually about 20 years after the Fifth Battle (Nirnaeth Arnoediad)

  • @danoconnell1833
    @danoconnell1833 Месяц назад +58

    I love the Tolkien lore but I will never be a scholar, so I am infinitely grateful to Robert and In Deep Geek for his gentle and insightful storytelling. Robert, you make it come alive for me. Thank you.

  • @osimarmedeiros
    @osimarmedeiros Месяц назад +22

    I like to think that for Cirdan, all of the Valar would personally greet him on the shores of the undying lands.
    Awesome video, as always.

    • @Karl.Jayce-DE
      @Karl.Jayce-DE Месяц назад +1

    • @dromankass8655
      @dromankass8655 Месяц назад +5

      And of all the Valar, Ulmo, Lord of the Waters, would be the most pleased to welcome this great mariner and shipwright into Valinor

  • @thatplant
    @thatplant Месяц назад +265

    Cirdan: how the HELL did you guys lose the KING??
    Other elves:¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

    • @superslayerguy
      @superslayerguy Месяц назад +12

      “Idk bruh”

    • @AllAhabNoMoby
      @AllAhabNoMoby Месяц назад +22

      We have to assume Melian was hawt.

    • @Knight-In-Green
      @Knight-In-Green Месяц назад +7

      @@AllAhabNoMoby "Spell of Enchantment" are the words used. Honestly... it seems to me Melian straight up just rufied him, gave him a power-up, and then just kinda went about her Lembas while he went about posturing. Unless I'm completely off-target, it seems Tolkien/Christopher left it a teeny tiny bit ambiguous...
      Just imagine her biting her lip as she sees the Children of Illuvatar the first time, in the vision, lol
      But she was probably hawt as sin, yeah...

    • @AllAhabNoMoby
      @AllAhabNoMoby Месяц назад

      @@Knight-In-Green She was a bit of a pedo as well I guess. 😂

    • @daniels7907
      @daniels7907 Месяц назад +9

      @@AllAhabNoMoby - The Ainur can change shape. Melian was as hawt as she wanted to be. Thingol never stood a chance.

  • @scotthudson8722
    @scotthudson8722 Месяц назад +28

    Huzzah! The passage where Cirdan passes the ring on to Mithransir gets me choked up every time

  • @sandyanarayanswami5708
    @sandyanarayanswami5708 Месяц назад +36

    I have always loved Cirdan, for many of the reasons listed here by others, which I will not reiterate. Someone suggested he resembles a Bodhisattva. I am Indian and a lifelong JRRT fan, despite not being a Christian, so this idea resonates greatly with me. His words to Gandalf on his arrival in Middle-Earth are among my very favorites, for their sheer beauty, wisdom, humility, and selflessness.

    • @piotrjeske4599
      @piotrjeske4599 Месяц назад +5

      He is like a Guru who sacrifices his own Nirvana to get others through their cycles , so they can reach it. And only when all is gone he too takes the "trip".

  • @stevenstehling
    @stevenstehling Месяц назад +11

    Cirdan, Employee of the Month for thousands of consecutive years.

  • @saraha8219
    @saraha8219 Месяц назад +86

    Cirdan sounds a lot like a bodhisattva, desiring nirvana (the Undying Lands) but voluntarily remaining in samsara (Middle Earth) until he had helped the rest of the elves to escape.

    • @astrotter
      @astrotter Месяц назад +8

      I'd not thought of this before, but you're right. I wonder if Tolkien had that in mind, he would have certainly been acquainted with the concept.

    • @EventDogs
      @EventDogs Месяц назад +13

      I think as a Christian he would have been more familiar with the theme through the New Testament of the Bible that says Christians greatly desire to be in Heaven rather than Earth, but stay here to point the way for others to know Jesus and be able to go there too.

    • @Pfhorrest
      @Pfhorrest Месяц назад +2

      I had the exact same thought while watching this video!

    • @TheDoctorofOdoIsland
      @TheDoctorofOdoIsland Месяц назад +2

      ​@@EventDogsYeah, Tolkien may have had in mind the story of the Beloved Disciple, when Jesus told Peter he would follow Him in martyrdom but John the Beloved would tarry on the Earth until the Second Coming.

    • @AmachiEligwe
      @AmachiEligwe Месяц назад +2

      @@EventDogs probably had that in mind but I think Cirdan sounds more like a Bodhisattva than that, even tho by chance.

  • @scottbrickner4980
    @scottbrickner4980 Месяц назад +44

    In a world of Feanors, be a Cirdan.

    • @AndrewHepburn
      @AndrewHepburn Месяц назад +1

      This is my new favourite internet comment of all time

  • @SeanSafford
    @SeanSafford Месяц назад +3

    What I love about Cirdan is that he is sort of the blue collar hero. He’s not nobility. He’s “old” but more importantly he is kind of grizzled (for an elf).

  • @mkazee9032
    @mkazee9032 Месяц назад +14

    Your videos have greatly enhanced my understanding and appreciation of these stories. Thanks!

  • @Kitastroboy
    @Kitastroboy Месяц назад +5

    Simply wonderful. The way Robert mixes the history and lore with poetic insight and love for the characters is splendid.

  • @luciussakura5031
    @luciussakura5031 Месяц назад +7

    Cirdan is honestly one of my favourite elves. I love that his important moments are (mostly) just quiet moments of duty and kindness.

  • @davelahoud1256
    @davelahoud1256 Месяц назад +21

    Now that is a story worth telling. Can you imagine if this was put to film or long-form episodes.
    Thank you for shining the well deserved limelight onto Cirdan. A legend indeed.

    • @BeyondIntention
      @BeyondIntention Месяц назад +4

      It’s what we should have gotten, if someone who CARED had bought the rights.

  • @jaykaramales3087
    @jaykaramales3087 Месяц назад +3

    You've outdone yourself with this one Robert. You brought Cirdan alive for me in a way I never saw him before.

  • @brockn7878
    @brockn7878 Месяц назад +4

    Thank you.
    This is the single most important episode for my personal journey through Tolkien and Middle Earth.
    I was familiar with Most of the other characters and stories but this elves storyline hadnt really settled into my attention
    and it explains so much.
    Wonderful episode 👏

  • @68mlk
    @68mlk Месяц назад +3

    I've enjoyed this so much, including the beautiful images. Cirdan is such an interesting character. Thanks!

  • @jasN86
    @jasN86 Месяц назад +3

    What an amazing video about one of the most underrated characters in the general lore. Thanks for creating and sharing!

    • @HansDester
      @HansDester Месяц назад

      Exactly how is he underrated when everyone who is into LOTR loves the guy?

  • @isomeme
    @isomeme Месяц назад +31

    I was brought up by an English father who instilled in me the certain knowledge that duty is sacred. I wept on first reading Cirdan's story, and I'm sniffling again right now. Thank you for this lovely tribute to the most admirable character in all of Tolkien's legendarium.

    • @dromankass8655
      @dromankass8655 Месяц назад +1

      'We farm these lands, guard these animals and beasts. We protect them and ordain the time of their births and the time of their deaths. Between those times, we have a Duty'
      - Granny Aching (a Shepherdess and Witch of the Chalk Hills in the book Wee Free Men by Terry Pratchett). A woman who took her duty seriously.

    • @isomeme
      @isomeme 26 дней назад

      ​@@dromankass8655, perfect.

  • @NoahJohnson1981
    @NoahJohnson1981 Месяц назад +8

    I love how you highlight the core story of the legendarium, filtering out the dense irrelevancies that I can’t get past. You’re a true scholar Robert, thank you.

  • @ThatOneCoolGuy69420
    @ThatOneCoolGuy69420 Месяц назад +25

    Love this content

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn Месяц назад +2

      I love Tolkien for writing characters that let your imagination kick into gear and i like IDG for recognising and understanding this and combining insight with some truly beautiful artworks

  • @cavalierlady1033
    @cavalierlady1033 Месяц назад +10

    Thank you so much for this wonderful video! Cirdan has always been one of my favorites. A sacrifice made for others for thousands of years --- I hope his arrival in the Undying Lands, finally, was as glorious as he had hoped for so long!

  • @hondadog-yo2sr
    @hondadog-yo2sr Месяц назад +3

    Robert's reading voice is right up there with the late great Sebastian Cabot. Those of a certain age will know...

  • @SFMarcus
    @SFMarcus Месяц назад +2

    What a moving and beautifully written video! And I always love the thoroughness of the lore that you collect and disperse.

  • @petergulmann7259
    @petergulmann7259 Месяц назад +2

    Another great video! Thanks for making these awesome videos, Robert!

  • @ETHRON1
    @ETHRON1 Месяц назад +2

    I still say you should do an Audio-book reading of the books...i'ld buy them...even my wife enjoys listening to you, and that says alot..

  • @nikosmanarolis9962
    @nikosmanarolis9962 Месяц назад +34

    Cirdan to me is the personification of showing loyalty to your duty ( or what you perceive as "your duty" ) despite your personal desires.
    Something extremely hard even for a short period of time , not to mention for centuries .... which is why i think people are in awe of him and the nobility of his character.
    Thankfully the new rings of power show seems to have portrayed him quite accurately in that regard. One of the highlights of the show certainly

    • @anatolydyatlov963
      @anatolydyatlov963 Месяц назад +5

      In the show, Sauron deceived everyone and actively helped in crafting the three elven rings. Elrond's suspicion and desire to destroy them was justified, given the unknown extent of Sauron's corrupting influence. Galadriel's assurance that "he didn't touch them, they're safe" carried little weight, considering her own suspected manipulation by Sauron.
      Despite these risks, the "old and wise" elf decided to keep and use one of the rings. This isn't wise, it's reckless. The ONE GUY who was introduced as "old and wise" immediately did something utterly stupid just a few scenes later. I don't think this is good portrayal.

    • @vintagesteel
      @vintagesteel Месяц назад +3

      If you consider yourself to be a true Tolkien fan, I wouldn't even consider watching the rings of power. It's trash and so disrespectful to Tolkien and his works. By the way Círdan didn't help for centuries, he did it for MILLENNIA.

    • @Tyresio12
      @Tyresio12 Месяц назад

      To quote another British author: "Personal’s not the same as important".

    • @anatolydyatlov963
      @anatolydyatlov963 Месяц назад

      @@vintagesteel To be fair, I'm a huge Tolkien fan, I've read the books, and even participated in some LARPs, but I've never treated the show as an adaptation. For me, it's always been just a fanfic, despite how Amazon decided to market it - I don't care what they say.
      With this approach, I enjoyed the first season, but the second... well, even if you treat it as something loosely inspired by Tolkien's writings, it's still hard to watch. There are simply too many inconsistencies and lazy narrative shortcuts. The one I mentioned above is just a small drop in a sea of absurd ideas that poison the show.

    • @thecpt6265
      @thecpt6265 Месяц назад +1

      @@anatolydyatlov963 I'm sorry wasn't that basically what happened in the books? he didn't trust Annatar and objected to the rings and yet in the end he wore Narya

  • @DrLicuid
    @DrLicuid Месяц назад +9

    I wonder if first-born elves staying in Aman grew beards by the time of Cirdan arriving there, or if stalled decay of undying lands helped them look younger. That might make Cirdan the only elf that ever managed to grow a beard and look his age.

  • @valcouren
    @valcouren Месяц назад +2

    Cirdan and Fangorn have always been my two favorite characters in Middle Earth (with Galadriel pulling third) as they are the eldest of those bound to the fate of Middle Earth. Having been present for all the long ages from the age of stars through to the dominion of man. Such a long tale having forgotten more than most ever even saw in their entire lives.

  • @pissedoffhobbit974
    @pissedoffhobbit974 Месяц назад +1

    My favorite and most overlooked character.

  • @SheosMan117
    @SheosMan117 Месяц назад +6

    6:50 He guided others to a treasure he could not possess.

  • @darkaxel1991
    @darkaxel1991 Месяц назад +3

    Cirdan, Elrond, and Galadriel were using the power of the three to maintain their realms. Cirdan giving up his ring seems to be a recognition that the Age of Elves on Middle Earth was ending.

  • @TheDarkElder
    @TheDarkElder Месяц назад +4

    A true legend for sure. Good he lived long enough to see his dream (finally) come true. At least humans don't need thousands of years of patience to see that happen, not sure anyone would be willing to take on that role of dutifully helping everyone else live your dream for ages upon ages.

  • @MrKurtank
    @MrKurtank Месяц назад +1

    Nice one, Cirdan. A winning side always has someone like him.

  • @Prom591
    @Prom591 Месяц назад +1

    For whatever reason, that one hit me right in the feels!

  • @charleslarrivee2908
    @charleslarrivee2908 Месяц назад +1

    I just wanna say, I really appreciate some of your...visual aids that you've included in this video 😊

  • @cmoneill
    @cmoneill Месяц назад +5

    Easily just made Cirdan one of my favorite characters.

  • @lunafencoven
    @lunafencoven Месяц назад +5

    In The Rings of Power, Gil-Galad feels like the general manager at Walmart, and Cirdan is that employee whose seniority surpasses the manager. He gets to do whatever he wants as long as he doesn't openly oppose the manager.

    • @ssl3546
      @ssl3546 Месяц назад +1

      how is that blasphemy of any relevamce here? are you also going to talk about what you ate for breakfast today?

  • @gaminawulfsdottir3253
    @gaminawulfsdottir3253 Месяц назад +2

    Of all the stories of Middle Earth, this may well be the most moving.

  • @Nathan-vt1jz
    @Nathan-vt1jz Месяц назад

    Excellent content as usual. The world needs people with Cirdan’s servant attitude.

  • @danielopoku-baah5644
    @danielopoku-baah5644 Месяц назад +2

    Underrated might be a bit strong but Cirdan is up there with one of the best characters. This video made me really acknowledge how much he’s been through and appreciate how wise he was

  • @VTPSTTU
    @VTPSTTU Месяц назад

    Thanks for this and all of your other videos. You are an excellent creator.

  • @stephanielash8270
    @stephanielash8270 Месяц назад

    Beautifully told Robert. Thank you!

  • @suecondon1685
    @suecondon1685 14 дней назад

    I've always liked Ben Daniels, he's a great actor, and he was well handsome when he played Tristan in the BBC's Merlin. Interesting backstory, thank you!

  • @lunatickgeo
    @lunatickgeo Месяц назад +2

    I remember the first time I saw the name, Cirdan the Shipwright, the elf with a beard who makes the ships the elves use to sail to Valinor. I thought that he was "just" a craftsman who lived in the Grey Havens, like a game NPC with a store that you have to bring materials to to have your ship made 😅

  • @beardsy1743
    @beardsy1743 Месяц назад

    Thanks Robert! Amazing video as always.

  • @shanechudzik8554
    @shanechudzik8554 Месяц назад +3

    Cirdan's role strongly reminds me of the Buddhist Bodhisattava, or at least some versions of it, as a person who achieves the ability to ascend but does not so that they may stay behind to help teach others.

  • @Minstrels-of-Middle-earth
    @Minstrels-of-Middle-earth Месяц назад

    Círdan is one of our favourites. We're working on a song about him, posted a demo recently.

  • @locker1325
    @locker1325 Месяц назад

    A legendary RUclips channel telling stories of legendary people.

  • @mboettcher349
    @mboettcher349 Месяц назад

    These are always good, but this one, for me, was the best one you've done in awhile.

  • @mariocp
    @mariocp Месяц назад

    Great video as usual, many thanks. Please consider doing one about Celeborn, we all know he's not just Galadriel's husband but I'd love to see your take on him. Cheers

  • @brettmuir5679
    @brettmuir5679 Месяц назад +1

    Cirdan has long been my favorite character in Middle Earth. I think of him in his long long search for Elwë his buddy from the beginning of time....and then remains to be the one on the Last Ship

  • @georgeargon5113
    @georgeargon5113 Месяц назад

    What a wonderful study of a selfless character. Thank ypu

  • @uriustosh
    @uriustosh Месяц назад +39

    The Rings of Power casting of Cirdan and his acting is just perfect. Like he came off the pages, could not be better.

    • @kalan0chan
      @kalan0chan Месяц назад +16

      There’s a lot to complain about in the series, but Ben Daniel’s’ casting is not among them.

    • @ArthurEld19
      @ArthurEld19 Месяц назад +2

      It’s one of the few things they got right

    • @hrafnagu9243
      @hrafnagu9243 Месяц назад +4

      Are you high? Maybe the casting is good but that's not Cirdan.

    • @Knight-In-Green
      @Knight-In-Green Месяц назад +6

      Nice try, but I'm still not watching.

    • @cain7925
      @cain7925 Месяц назад +7

      Still hot garbage 😂

  • @istari0
    @istari0 Месяц назад +2

    Círdan is a fascinating character and one that I wish we knew his story in greater detail. One minor note though, Sauron did not attack the Grey Havens out of fear of the Númenoreans. Sauron's armies had not broken through Gil-Galad's defenses at the river Lhûn before the fleet of the Númenoreans arrived and began destroying Sauron's armies. If the fleet had not shown up around that time, Sauron would have broken through and attacked the Havens.

  • @xina968
    @xina968 Месяц назад +5

    Love Robert's videos!

    • @Christrulesall2
      @Christrulesall2 Месяц назад

      Robert has the perfect ASMR nighttime voice. He could put a lion to sleep.

  • @petermarschall2637
    @petermarschall2637 Месяц назад

    Hi Robert, big thanks for your videos!
    I noticed, that there is no video out there on the very important and extremely interesting topic of what if Aragorn took the one ring.
    I am frankly startled that those videos exist about Gandalf, Sauron or Saruman, but not about this great hero of our beloved story. It would be joy to your faithful viewers, if you put in that effort.
    But if you decide to record other videos, no one will begrudge you and just watch those joyfully!

  • @seacucumberable
    @seacucumberable Месяц назад

    Bless this channel

  • @thelasonj
    @thelasonj Месяц назад

    So beautiful. Thanks Geek. ❤

  • @anne-marieconnolly7297
    @anne-marieconnolly7297 Месяц назад

    Brilliant and insightful as always!

  • @Pfhorrest
    @Pfhorrest Месяц назад +1

    Circan is my new favorite elf.

  • @elizabethford7263
    @elizabethford7263 Месяц назад +1

    I think his is the saddest story. A truly unsung hero to whom all elves owe so much but rarely know.

  • @gael.aubrit
    @gael.aubrit Месяц назад

    So beautifuly and elegantly said, thank you!

  • @thedragondemands5186
    @thedragondemands5186 Месяц назад

    This was a masterful video - well, I love the source material, but you did it justice

  • @ooee6383
    @ooee6383 Месяц назад +3

    12:39 Australia is Valinor confirmed

  • @gandalf4751
    @gandalf4751 Месяц назад +1

    Cirdan 😍😍😍

  • @D2attemp
    @D2attemp Месяц назад +6

    Not gonna lie, Thingol abandoning Cirdan and his vassals at the Falas to the Orcs after Cirdan had spent so much time looking for him was a dick move

  • @jeyfromnowhere
    @jeyfromnowhere Месяц назад +18

    So...he was...Shipwright the Shipwright?

    • @esquilax5563
      @esquilax5563 Месяц назад +3

      Like Torpenhow Hill, AKA _Hill Hill Hill Hill_

    • @jeffeppenbach
      @jeffeppenbach Месяц назад

      @@esquilax5563 Or like someone who's last name is... water-water.

    • @Knight-In-Green
      @Knight-In-Green Месяц назад +3

      Maybe he's so old and has fulfilled his role so dutifully, that the word is derived from his name? Maybe... by the time any of them needed a word for "Shipwright"(which I assume none of them did before they reached the western shores), Cirdan was already building ships? Or, at the least, when they were taught the craft; Cirdan was already building by the time the others got finished with their lessons lol

    • @danielreynolds6173
      @danielreynolds6173 Месяц назад +1

      Yes, that's wright.

  • @melvineldelov3442
    @melvineldelov3442 Месяц назад +4

    You answer questions before we think of them 🤙

  • @steveaustin4013
    @steveaustin4013 Месяц назад

    What a great video. Loved this

  • @robertoperalta2526
    @robertoperalta2526 Месяц назад

    Awesome video! Wished TROP did this legendarium justice…

  • @chrisfraser5088
    @chrisfraser5088 Месяц назад

    Always been my favourite of all the Elves 😊

  • @ahmadkhalid5819
    @ahmadkhalid5819 Месяц назад +22

    Cirdan is very parent coded. Took upon a thankless mission and stayed on it for thousands of years, and made sure he didn't leave anyone behind ♥

  • @boffo63
    @boffo63 Месяц назад +1

    This character needs a full 3 seasons. 12 episodes a season.

  • @deanostanley8530
    @deanostanley8530 Месяц назад +4

    It's a video like this that really hammers home what a travesty the ROP is

  • @worker-wf2em
    @worker-wf2em Месяц назад +1

    Given Tolkien’s staunch Christian background and the influence it had on his writing, I wonder if perhaps Cirdan’s inspiration is drawn in part from the prophet Daniel and his story

  • @dogs-game-too
    @dogs-game-too 28 дней назад

    The world needs more like Cirdan

  • @helikos1
    @helikos1 Месяц назад +1

    Hi, I don't know if it's already been discussed but I would love to see videos detailing the Valar and Maiar, also perhaps a video explaining the relationship between the Maia of Aule and if there was any reasoning why they both turned to evil.

    • @J4R0D
      @J4R0D Месяц назад +1

      crafting is akin to creation, but it can lead to a desire for control of creations.
      Aule created the dwarves, but knew his place
      Feanor created the silmarils, and his spirit was darkened when he couldn't control them
      Sauron of course created his ring, and Saruman coveted it
      And of course Morgoth sought his own unique creation from Eru's

  • @AllAhabNoMoby
    @AllAhabNoMoby Месяц назад +3

    What I like most about Cirdan - and what proves his foresight more than anything else - is that he boycotted Gillette before the need for it became obvious to everyone.

  • @paulharrison2557
    @paulharrison2557 Месяц назад +1

    Imagine having someone that old and wise and not making them your leader? Others spoke of being of the lineage of Olwe, Finwe etc, or descended from Earendil, he KNEW them!

  • @unclemonty6766
    @unclemonty6766 Месяц назад +1

    If you want to stay alive in middle earth, find Cirdan, wherever he is, and stick with him.

  • @timtas1968
    @timtas1968 Месяц назад +1

    Good piece, athough strictly speaking, Gil-Galad had the support of the Numenorians, as it was also him that befriended Aldarion. I don't know why everybody always tries to belittle Gil-Galad, what did he ever to wrongg to deserve this?

  • @diredier
    @diredier Месяц назад

    Love your videos, thank you :)

  • @General12th
    @General12th 3 дня назад

    Hi Robert!
    I wonder if part of the reason why Cirdan was so eager to attempt dangerous missions was because he knew that if he died, he'd just end up in Valinor anyway -- and earlier than he would have if he lived -- so he might as well make himself useful while he waited.

  • @NevermissaPoint
    @NevermissaPoint Месяц назад

    thanks for this video but...
    4:45 Thingol was long gone by that time
    i believe it was Turgon of Gondolin who suggested to turn to west

  • @pat_makes_stuff
    @pat_makes_stuff Месяц назад +1

    Robert should read for a Tolkien audiobook

  • @nickcastings1568
    @nickcastings1568 Месяц назад

    Hi Robert, this is a fabulous add on to the Lord of the rings, thank you for what you have done, have you ever read or, if you have, thought of doing the same type of thing for the Anne Mcafferey Dragonbooks? Carry on the great work, and once again thank you.

  • @Joshua-zi5wp
    @Joshua-zi5wp Месяц назад +1

    Everyone says "Who is Cirdan?" But no one asks "How is Cirdan?"

  • @jenniferwood144
    @jenniferwood144 Месяц назад

    Well done

  • @xDanimothx
    @xDanimothx Месяц назад +1

    Cirdan, God of Edging

  • @isaakring2573
    @isaakring2573 Месяц назад +1

    My favorit character in lotr i think

  • @natechecots
    @natechecots Месяц назад +16

    Cirdan was definitely low-key pissed a dwarf got to sail west before he did.

    • @dandiehm8414
      @dandiehm8414 Месяц назад +1

      Did a dwarf see Valinor? Or just Eressea?

    • @natechecots
      @natechecots Месяц назад +4

      @@dandiehm8414whoops looks like you're correct lol, just Eressea. My mistake.

    • @MoritzGruber7
      @MoritzGruber7 Месяц назад

      But didn't Legolas and Gimli leave (if they did) after him?

    • @12classics39
      @12classics39 Месяц назад +5

      @@MoritzGruber7No. Legolas and Gimli left in the year 120 of the Fourth Age. The copy of the Red Book which Tolkien “translated” into LOTR is dated as ‘Fourth Age 172,’ the copy created by the King’s Writer under Eldarion (Aragorn and Arwen’s son) in Gondor. The book’s appendices state that “Círdan dwells in the Grey Havens still.” Which means that up to Fourth Age 172, Círdan (and Celeborn) had not yet left.

    • @MoritzGruber7
      @MoritzGruber7 Месяц назад

      @@12classics39 thank you!

  • @lars9925
    @lars9925 Месяц назад +1

    I think you didn't make your first point clear enough. Cirdan was actually the ONLY ONE (we know) of the firstborn elves who awoke in Cuiviénen that was still alive and in Middle Earth. He lived there for at least six ages. He started his life before the three Ages of the Trees, during which Morgoth was in captivity, and he lived on there at least until the beginning of the Fourth Age of the Sun and Moon.

  • @jacksawyer3510
    @jacksawyer3510 Месяц назад +1

    After thousands and thousands of years of anticipation and longing, I wonder if the undying lands lived up to the hype? Or was it like when the penguins finally made it to Antarctica in the movie Madagascar?

  • @scionkai2524
    @scionkai2524 Месяц назад

    His story is beautiful.