Monkeemods link to XYL Dragon Tooth darts: www.monkeemods.com/nerf/xyl-en-gb/xyl-dragon-tooth-epp-darts-482271161.html Monkeemods link to XYL Whistling darts: www.monkeemods.com/nerf/xyl-en-gb/xyl-whistling-epp-darts.html Foamwork Adelaide link to Sabre Apex Prime blaster: www.foamwork.com.au/product/ApexPrime/23 Foamwork Adelaide link to flared magwell: www.foamwork.com.au/product/sabre-apex-prime-parts/34?cp=true&sa=true&sbp=false&q=false Apex Prime (USA): outofdarts.com/products/sabre-apex-prime?ref=RIa3bVI3vXYhUs Apex Prime (EU): www.blaster-time.eu/shop/sabre-apex-prime Apex Prime (TAIWAN): breakice.today Apex Prime (SG): springblasters.com Worker Bamboo darts (AUS): www.foamwork.com.au/product/worker-gen-2-he-foam-dart/1?cs=true&cst=custom Worker Half Length Darts (USA): outofdarts.com/products/worker-short-darts-200-pack-gen3-improved-darts-2021?ref=RIa3bVI3vXYhUs
There's nerf youtubers and then there's bradley, all this data just keeps geting better every weekend, thanks for the research man your content is great
These may be stiff enough to aid in feeding and jam prevention in AEG type blasters. A bit more weight like 1.25grams might be better though. Back in the 90's a lot of the the nerf darts used to have a whistle feature same as these but the heads were bigger than the foam so no barrels were used just direct fired from clips.
okay, the dragon tooth darts are cool and all but I can only imagine the fear on an opponent when 20 of the whistlers fly over their head and my euphoria thereafter. SOLD
Its the same difference between using standard ball ammunition vs. match ammunition in real steel firearms. For the overwhelming majority of shooters, the accuracy and consistency benefits of match ammunition arent enough of an advantage to justify the extra cost vs standard ball ammo. Optimizing for the final 5-10% of accuracy, velocity, and consistency costs 2-4x more in money and effort than getting 90% of the way there does. If you have deep pockets and crave that level of performance, yeah, these sound great.
These firmer dart bodies should do well in stringers because they don'tget cheeswired as easily. Also maybe we could do double stacked mags with these?
Wow, at 30 meters these are even more accurate than paintballs that have a whole lot more mass or airsoft. I had never even heard of these kind of custom nerf-type guns or darts.
Excellent! Darts that cost 3x the price but have probably more than 3x the life-span (provided you can recover them)! If they use undyed foam or a fluorescent, improving recovery, their life expectancy well outmatches the value of the workers!
One thing I have noticed about Worker bamboo darts is that if you reuse the darts, over time the accuracy starts get worse. Do you think that these new dragon tooth darts have more durable material and can be reused without suffering from a noticble accuracy loss? If so then maybe that could be an advantage of the dragon darts?
Imagine those whistlers flying over your head on the field. I think those are made for suppression fire more than accuracy. I do like the idea of using them as a "low ammo" indicator. Have the last 2 rounds be whistlers.
@BradleyPhillipsYT either have I using new or darts only used once or twice, but once the workers get soft I get the odd jam and much less accurate. Was thinking these new darts might be worth it if they last longer durability wise.
The lack of power with those new darts is probably what is called "cylinder to barrel ratio" in airsoft. Since a lighter dart moves away from it's power source more quickly, it's unable to absorb all the power from the gun, usually resulting in a louder muzzle report or piston impact in this case. Heavier darts and shorter barrels are generally a more efficient use of power, but there's usually different applications for these things.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Certainly, but there's a limit to how long a blaster can practically be lol. The US military uses the MK262 loading of 5.56 in their 10.5 inch barrels, a 77gr loading meant for long range precision, versus the standard 55gr or 62gr ones. Same theory really, more power from a short barrel for close range, but also more useful at longer ranges in both short and long barrels. Although you could squeeze more out of those darts and whatever blaster, adding a 6mm ball bearing or something like it inside the dart would probably be the best thing to do.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT For sure, at least with darts they shouldn't be hard to make heavier. With airsoft we are maxed out, since with our current metal oxides added to plastic, you can't get heavier without out lead or tungsten powder, metal balls, or ZrO2 ceramic bearings. Heavy BBs get more and more expensive to the point of 25 cents for ceramic, but with Nerf it's pretty easy to fill the obvious hole in darts with something
The only thing that's going to start making these darts fly as accurately as possible would be all computer-controlled foam & head formation, alignment of the center hole, alignment of the heads, precise cuts of the dart, equal distribution of glue for balance and each round must weigh the exact same for consistency! All of that said, you will be paying more for them as more has to go into them!
I'd say that the two darts tied for the most part, but the best way to look at this would be power retention over range, such as what percentage of the OG power at what range. It's all a large balance though, since a moving projectile is essentially falling, and it's specific gravity will affect how fast it falls. Say a Worker falls 1m in half a second and an XYL does .7m in half a second, that combined with less air time leads to a flatter shot, but maximum range may be different. The fairest test would be to swap dart heads and body styles to really get a good comparison, as I feel that the better head shape is doing a lot for the XYL, whereas the Worker has a terrible shape.
I've shown before with ACC darts which have similar foam but a round head that the round head always wins for range and speed retention. It's just a pity ACC darts kinda suck.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT I remember back when making darts was a big thing and people would order boxes of those heads or similar and go through the huge PITA of cutting and gluing everything up. It may be a cool video to try mixing and matching all the foams/heads, filling dart bodies with weight, and whatever else, but I'm not sure what good it'd do if you have to destroy two darts to make one. Maybe you could get in touch with Worker and have them start making some high end darts.....
Just got a Phoenix 2.0 and not all darts are working that well. They chew up work bamboo darts. I gotta buy some more durable darts considering the crush.
They're REALLY cool, but for 3x the price, I'd honestly stick with the Workers. If they can get the price down to comparable, I'll most definitely be interested!
Brad, how did you upgrade that buttstock on the Apex Prime? Looks absolutely cool. Now im convinced to get the blue colour unit now!! Very well done video on the XYL darts comparison btw.
I wonder how they would fair in comparison to worker darts when fired from nerf AEG’s /HPA since one of the biggest problems with such blasters is the inconsistency of the foam quality. And for me my storm ruins the darts when they are fired out of the barrel.
I actually find it really ironic that somehow you brought the darts from Malaysia (where I live, unfortunately) cause Nerf isnt really popular here at all
If the price were to be around Worker, and they were to change the foam to white.. I have a running theory that darts like XYL may be widely adopted. Although their accuracy is the same as Worker Bamboo, their durability in both foam and glue seem to beat it. If you have the desire to repeatedly use darts like my club does, that would definitely be a boon.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT yeah was thinking that but depending on crush would think it would work just wanted to se if it would or not the vote is it would, but hey so whens the alchemist vid
This was a Holosun HS506 1x red dot sight. I'd recommend just any cheap Airsoft 1x though, I use mine on real steel but for Nerf you don't need the durability to survive recoil.
Surface finish has very little to do with friction according to physics. Material properties matter and the weight of the object, not the surface finish.
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Monkeemods link to XYL Dragon Tooth darts: www.monkeemods.com/nerf/xyl-en-gb/xyl-dragon-tooth-epp-darts-482271161.html
Monkeemods link to XYL Whistling darts: www.monkeemods.com/nerf/xyl-en-gb/xyl-whistling-epp-darts.html
Foamwork Adelaide link to Sabre Apex Prime blaster: www.foamwork.com.au/product/ApexPrime/23
Foamwork Adelaide link to flared magwell: www.foamwork.com.au/product/sabre-apex-prime-parts/34?cp=true&sa=true&sbp=false&q=false
Apex Prime (USA): outofdarts.com/products/sabre-apex-prime?ref=RIa3bVI3vXYhUs
Apex Prime (EU): www.blaster-time.eu/shop/sabre-apex-prime
Apex Prime (TAIWAN): breakice.today
Apex Prime (SG): springblasters.com
Worker Bamboo darts (AUS): www.foamwork.com.au/product/worker-gen-2-he-foam-dart/1?cs=true&cst=custom
Worker Half Length Darts (USA): outofdarts.com/products/worker-short-darts-200-pack-gen3-improved-darts-2021?ref=RIa3bVI3vXYhUs
Bradley is one of the kings in this space right now. Thanks for all your hard work, hope your channel keeps growing.
There's nerf youtubers and then there's bradley, all this data just keeps geting better every weekend, thanks for the research man your content is great
These may be stiff enough to aid in feeding and jam prevention in AEG type blasters. A bit more weight like 1.25grams might be better though. Back in the 90's a lot of the the nerf darts used to have a whistle feature same as these but the heads were bigger than the foam so no barrels were used just direct fired from clips.
Amazing comparison between these dart types. Thanks for giving us the low down on these darts. Keep up the great work
okay, the dragon tooth darts are cool and all but I can only imagine the fear on an opponent when 20 of the whistlers fly over their head and my euphoria thereafter. SOLD
Just had the idea of launching them out of some kind of shotgun. Maybe a brassed sledgefire or a Titan with an absolver
That's why i still use those rebelle arrows
Could you imagine a belt fed blaster with that fps, constantly raining down those darts with a high rate of fire? You would be extremely scared.
I wanna hear those whistlers mag-dumped from a Sweetheart Storm lmao
Great work, love the "not you ACC's" part 😂.
I thought that was snow when you first walked onto the range for the accuracy test! lol
I was like, “Bradley, where’s your coat?!” LoL
Lol it's summer here, this day was like 35 degrees Celsius
Fun factor for home plinking, the whistlers get my vote.
Its the same difference between using standard ball ammunition vs. match ammunition in real steel firearms. For the overwhelming majority of shooters, the accuracy and consistency benefits of match ammunition arent enough of an advantage to justify the extra cost vs standard ball ammo. Optimizing for the final 5-10% of accuracy, velocity, and consistency costs 2-4x more in money and effort than getting 90% of the way there does. If you have deep pockets and crave that level of performance, yeah, these sound great.
Great review! Thanks! Will definitely pick some whistlers up!
I like the loud ones 😊
The whistlers are super sick !
Those whistlers would be great for last round in mag audio notify, especially for AEB's, might get some so i dont dry fire
Can you do a vid/short firing the screamers (whistlers) from the sweetheart on full auto?
Good god, I might have to
That makes me wonder what would happen if we put these into a Lepus or Woozi.
Please still do this!!@@BradleyPhillipsYT
this man shall be coops successor
These firmer dart bodies should do well in stringers because they don'tget cheeswired as easily. Also maybe we could do double stacked mags with these?
You probably could do double stack mags
Great job as always Bradley.
Wow, at 30 meters these are even more accurate than paintballs that have a whole lot more mass or airsoft. I had never even heard of these kind of custom nerf-type guns or darts.
Excellent! Darts that cost 3x the price but have probably more than 3x the life-span (provided you can recover them)! If they use undyed foam or a fluorescent, improving recovery, their life expectancy well outmatches the value of the workers!
Whistlers certainly are fun. Thank you for the comparison video! Take care
One thing I have noticed about Worker bamboo darts is that if you reuse the darts, over time the accuracy starts get worse. Do you think that these new dragon tooth darts have more durable material and can be reused without suffering from a noticble accuracy loss? If so then maybe that could be an advantage of the dragon darts?
I would say yes. The foam doesn't get as soft over time, and the glue seems stronger on these.
We need to buy these so they get cheaper, and then people actually, FINALLY make double-stack half dart mags!
You legit could double stack these. They're hard foamed enough.
What do you mean by “double stack?”
I wonder how the stiffer foam and stronger glue would do in high powered fly wheelers. Maybe less decapitations?
The issue with flywheel is they could jam in the wheels depending on the crush
@@BradleyPhillipsYT so the heads are solid?
@@Eulemunin XYL darts have harder head than Worker darts . The whistle darts have softer head than dragon tooth darts .
Imagine those whistlers flying over your head on the field. I think those are made for suppression fire more than accuracy. I do like the idea of using them as a "low ammo" indicator. Have the last 2 rounds be whistlers.
Do you think these would possibly be better fir the Storm? Better feeding and less squishy in double spring mags.
Quite possibly, I haven't had any jam issues with my Storm since double springing the mags though (using normal darts).
@BradleyPhillipsYT either have I using new or darts only used once or twice, but once the workers get soft I get the odd jam and much less accurate. Was thinking these new darts might be worth it if they last longer durability wise.
@@jason.butterworth1305 these would definitely remain stiff for way longer into their lifespan
Miniature nerf ultra screamer darts🤔
Would the whistling darts fit in any of the magazines compatible with the Xshot Longshot or the worker seagull?
Azure Dragon Glow Darts vs. these XYL Dragon Tooth Darts? Might make an interesting comparison video.
The lack of power with those new darts is probably what is called "cylinder to barrel ratio" in airsoft. Since a lighter dart moves away from it's power source more quickly, it's unable to absorb all the power from the gun, usually resulting in a louder muzzle report or piston impact in this case. Heavier darts and shorter barrels are generally a more efficient use of power, but there's usually different applications for these things.
Probably could benefit from a longer barrel when using lighter darts in this case
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Certainly, but there's a limit to how long a blaster can practically be lol. The US military uses the MK262 loading of 5.56 in their 10.5 inch barrels, a 77gr loading meant for long range precision, versus the standard 55gr or 62gr ones. Same theory really, more power from a short barrel for close range, but also more useful at longer ranges in both short and long barrels.
Although you could squeeze more out of those darts and whatever blaster, adding a 6mm ball bearing or something like it inside the dart would probably be the best thing to do.
@@SiliconeSword I think in general we should just lean toward heavier darts so we can use shorter barrels and still get longer range
@@BradleyPhillipsYT For sure, at least with darts they shouldn't be hard to make heavier. With airsoft we are maxed out, since with our current metal oxides added to plastic, you can't get heavier without out lead or tungsten powder, metal balls, or ZrO2 ceramic bearings. Heavy BBs get more and more expensive to the point of 25 cents for ceramic, but with Nerf it's pretty easy to fill the obvious hole in darts with something
Thanks for the stats!
Flywheel blasters don't like the dome tipped Dragon darts. Especially the HC Diana. Whistler's may be OK though 👍🏻
Honestly, anything if they are re-using actual ultra foam so it don't go in to a dump, i would love using full leight versions in stock wars
when they get used to the whistler darts at the end of the mag thats when you start putting them at the top of your mag
Does the stiffer foam mean they last longer too?
Would love to get the whistlers for a high dps smg style blaster and just let it scream on the field 😂
Can the flared Magwell be 3d printed or do only they sell it? 🤔
Best to message Foamwork about that since it's his design
The only thing that's going to start making these darts fly as accurately as possible would be all computer-controlled foam & head formation, alignment of the center hole, alignment of the heads, precise cuts of the dart, equal distribution of glue for balance and each round must weigh the exact same for consistency!
All of that said, you will be paying more for them as more has to go into them!
What is the best darts for Zius BK-1S?
I'd say that the two darts tied for the most part, but the best way to look at this would be power retention over range, such as what percentage of the OG power at what range. It's all a large balance though, since a moving projectile is essentially falling, and it's specific gravity will affect how fast it falls. Say a Worker falls 1m in half a second and an XYL does .7m in half a second, that combined with less air time leads to a flatter shot, but maximum range may be different.
The fairest test would be to swap dart heads and body styles to really get a good comparison, as I feel that the better head shape is doing a lot for the XYL, whereas the Worker has a terrible shape.
I've shown before with ACC darts which have similar foam but a round head that the round head always wins for range and speed retention. It's just a pity ACC darts kinda suck.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT I remember back when making darts was a big thing and people would order boxes of those heads or similar and go through the huge PITA of cutting and gluing everything up. It may be a cool video to try mixing and matching all the foams/heads, filling dart bodies with weight, and whatever else, but I'm not sure what good it'd do if you have to destroy two darts to make one. Maybe you could get in touch with Worker and have them start making some high end darts.....
I wonder how many times you could run each through a flywheel blaster to see how they wear down.
They should last longer, but the issue would be with high crush setups. They could easily jam and damage the flywheel blaster.
Just got a Phoenix 2.0 and not all darts are working that well. They chew up work bamboo darts. I gotta buy some more durable darts considering the crush.
Do both darts work good in flywheelers?
I don't use flywheel blasters but I would guess probably not. They could get stuck in the flywheels since they don't compress.
They're REALLY cool, but for 3x the price, I'd honestly stick with the Workers. If they can get the price down to comparable, I'll most definitely be interested!
Brad, how did you upgrade that buttstock on the Apex Prime? Looks absolutely cool. Now im convinced to get the blue colour unit now!! Very well done video on the XYL darts comparison btw.
Milspec M4 buffer tubes screw directly onto the Apex Prime
Noted, thanks for the info 👍🏻
And where can we purchase in Aus? 🤔
I wonder how they would fair in comparison to worker darts when fired from nerf AEG’s /HPA since one of the biggest problems with such blasters is the inconsistency of the foam quality. And for me my storm ruins the darts when they are fired out of the barrel.
These would probably feed more reliably
Wonder how the wistlers will perform in shells like the kirin
They should perform the same as normal darts.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT sweet! thanks for the reply
They perform better with my Kirin than Worker Bamboo 1.2 and 1.0. They are more accurate and more durable.
I actually find it really ironic that somehow you brought the darts from Malaysia (where I live, unfortunately) cause Nerf isnt really popular here at all
and more ironically Malaysia is also where many of the very high-performance companies are from
If the price were to be around Worker, and they were to change the foam to white.. I have a running theory that darts like XYL may be widely adopted. Although their accuracy is the same as Worker Bamboo, their durability in both foam and glue seem to beat it. If you have the desire to repeatedly use darts like my club does, that would definitely be a boon.
Regular 9m is like 22c , crazy lol
So are these Actually compatible for a XYL Unicorn?
They would work yes
One thing I would of liked to see was them though a fly wheel
Could potentially jam the flywheel blaster I think
@@BradleyPhillipsYT yeah was thinking that but depending on crush would think it would work just wanted to se if it would or not the vote is it would,
but hey so whens the alchemist vid
Dragon tooth yay!
Dart drop ?
does the flared magwell require any alteration to the apex?
No, it just bolts on
Nerf Did a foam like that for their ultra range.
How do they work in a flywheel balster ?
Probably get jammed and fry your motors. If I cared in the slightest about flywheel blasters I'd confirm.
screamers are Fun!!
Love it
What Optic are you using?
This was a Holosun HS506 1x red dot sight. I'd recommend just any cheap Airsoft 1x though, I use mine on real steel but for Nerf you don't need the durability to survive recoil.
That's Dope af
Surface finish has very little to do with friction according to physics. Material properties matter and the weight of the object, not the surface finish.
The name of the company translates to “Little Moon”
I remember that back when I bought their ARP9 gel blaster
0.86 is not 3/4 of 1.01, it's 5/6. MUCH closer than 3/4. That would be 0.758
You're not wrong, that would explain the small gain in fps.
I need this but in mega
this is the guy you need to whatch if you don't like useless yapping
It cannot be better than worker just because it's black colour, lol
EPP foam also comes in white, XYL should choose that instead.
#blackdartsmatters lol
oh I'm early early
"Black" color again??? really?? You CAN'T find it in green grass or concrete or else.....grrrrrrrrrrr
@stihl888
2 weeks ago (ruclips.net/video/-8DIQ_yOVOE/видео.html ---Battle of the BCARS video---)
"Very interesting, would be interested in seeing a pointed tip mod to increase the ballistic coefficiency while you're at it, see how far you can take the accuracy and tighten the groupings!"
2 Weeks later...! NICE
Just watched it, great review! Answered my curiosity on BC very well.