And I think much of it has to do with these being handguns. CMP has never sold hand guns before. And with the political anti-gun environment, they want to be very careful that each and every purchaser is eligible.
Will agree that all you say is true, but since NO ONE.....NO ONE....is legally challenging any of it, these are the "laws", as un-Constitutional as they are, that we must live with. Strong talk will not get anything done. How about going out and actually do something to help change it instead of bitching?
Adam Churvis sorry if I misunderstood. I take this stuff more seriously and I read a lot of the same kind of comments; people saying how un-Constitutional all of these laws are but don’t see anyone willing to even write to their representatives about it nor to do anything else. I do not think that we will ever be able to do away with NFA nor GCA/1968. All of these self righteous liberals enact these Controls because of public safety. Judges hand down stupid rulings for the same reason or just because they are anti-Gun, themselves. The CMP must follow current laws, so, no, we aren’t going to change them. I don’t think that the CMP has ever sold hand guns, before. With the anti-gun sentiment and especially anti-hand Gun sentiment, there is additional scrutiny in place and the CMP has put these pistols into a separate program from their rifles and other products. I also read posts with people bitching that veterans should have first rights to refusal on these pistols and that they should be sold, well, let’s just say much less than the anticipated price. The CMP is not a Veteran’s charity, its stated purpose under its charter is to promote Marksmanship. Haven’t heard people bitch too much about the paper work to buy M1s.....why should pistols be any different? Granted, many CMP purchasers do it engage in any real Marksmanship nor competitive Activities, which is why there are different avenues to satisfy that. As for these pistols.......seems many have been expecting high quality examples with rare makers and all matching parts making these pistols worth way more. These things are likely to be mixmasters and perhaps pretty used up through constant training sessions over the years. Sure, there may be some nice ones, but higher quality for an in demand product requires a higher price. Personally, I already own a nice 1918 dated Colt 1911 which I do not fire all that often, there are other vintage pistols which I enjoy more. I may look into submitting a package for one of these, but since I spend 11 months out of the year in Afghanistan, it will be difficult to get my paperwork notarized. Still have a couple of years to do it; can have it done while I am home and have sister send in when time comes for next round.....IF I want to submit it. Sorry that I misunderstood your humor.
Thank you. Please note that I am working over here as a "money grubbing" civilian contractor, although I did serve in the USAF 1989-1993 as a B-52G Hydraulic systems tech. A few months ago, I read something about the language of "Sporting Pusrposes" within the GCA/1968 and wrote to my respresentative asking what exactly, that had to do with the 2nd Amendment. Thought I laid out my reasoning pretty well. I copied my email and sent it many times. I received...several times...the SAME, EXACT canned liberal/Democract talking points reply....word for word. Maybe it is no wonder people stop writing, because it seems the aides, just cut an paste a canned response to any issue. I also wrote to the ATF asking the same question. The requested an address to mail a reply to, which i have yet to receive.
To be honest, I don't think much on that sort of thing. Nothing really to do with my job here, which I do 12 hrs/day/7 days -wk/EVERY day. The saying is true.....Receiving money for you rlife. There is no personal life here. There's little to due in off hours, which are only 3-4 after your shift. I have only been home for 2 weeks out of the last 25 months. No relationships, no prospects for relationships, bills still have to be paid, getting older each year...life slipping away, but I cannot make half of what I make here working in avaition back home. Am trying to accomplish personal financial goals, them i will come home.
Yes, got an m1 through the CMP for $630, and it's a thousand dollar rifle all day. I think they will list these from $650-1k and the grades will be worth it considering they go for 950 for ruff one on gunbroker
Your “concerns” with section 3 for all the requirements are already in place for purchasing any firearms (M1 Garand) from the cmp. 1. Copy of passport 2. CMP club $25 3. Conceal Carry License. Not that big of a deal.
I was really looking forward to purchasing one of these surplus 1911's. Specifically a Colt because I have a set of grips for a 1911 that belonged to my great great uncle. He was a US Border Patrol officer on the Texas-Mexico border from the twenties to the mid 1950s. These grips were on his issued service sidearm and have his initials on them and I was hoping to get the chance to put them on a period correct 1911. If I could afford one I wouldn't mind jumping through the hoops that CMP is requiring. That is the only reason I'd even consider a CMP surplus 1911.
the CMP (Civilian MARKSMANSHIP Program) is not a charity for veterans or collectors.....it is a MARKSMANSHIP program; That is their mission...to promote MARKSMANSHIP.
my cmp one wasn't refinished and still had original finish....great purchase and glad I did it... I did have to wait for 2 years to get it but it's a piece of History and a great old warhorse pistol that I was able to get and know what I was getting
I "jumped through the hoops" and got a very nice 1911 that I am very happy with . It shoots great ! It's not really that big a deal . I am an average guy (retired plumber / pipefitter) who already owned several 1911 pistols . My FFL here in north Texas only charges $10.00 for the transfer and I was already a member of Texas State Rifle Association, which qualifies . When I got my LTC (license to carry) I got a handgun proficiency certificate which works just fine . If you want one , I say go for it . I have a buddy who did the same thing and he is very happy as well . Even though I own some better 1911 pistols I'm happy and I hope you will be as well .
I bought a CMP special M1 in July and i was required to participate in a cmp sanctioned match to get a certificate to purchase......so i guess i dont understand what the big deal
Seems like some number cruncher saw a way to get more money. There's nothing wrong with them making money from grading them/etc, but this doesn't look like that. I thought it would be cool to buy one from this gov't sale, but thanks for the other suggestions
I was also excited for these until I heard the prices, just like their Garands they seem to be way above market value. It's going to be a bottom of the barrel parts hodge podge for $700 then service quality at $1000, and special issue at $1300-1500. Very disappointing because for that amount of money & less paperwork hassle you could go to your local gun store & get a brand new 1911 with match-grade barrel, match-grade trigger, and tritium sights for the same price as the service quality or higher guns.
I'll build you a flawless match 1911 for $1500, all day long (and a day is all that it takes, guys) People paying $3000 for 1911's are out of their minds. Guys who have 1911's purpose built, like Ed brown or Baer , dont have to build up or fit anything. The parts are to spec already. All that has to be done is put them together, takes just a minute, and the parts cost those guys about $400. For a gun that's too heavy and bulky to carry. :-) frigging silly in the extreme.
Except for the fact that I do and did. The PT1911s have been in blued or stainless. Neither are lightweight firearms. The Colts have been in blued or stainless. The same holster that I currently use has been used for all of them. A Galco IWB 212. When the Sig is being cleaned, one of the others occupies the holster. When in Ohio, it is a SAI blued 1911 milspec that is also in the same type holster or a S&W CS 40 depending on my mood at the time.
I felt like you did for about 10 minutes. Then I sent in my paperwork and waited. A year later I got a beautiful Colt in perfect condition. Cost $1000. Very glad I took the time to jump through a few hoops that were only to appease the democrats. As a veteran, I carried a 1911A1 and now I own one.
@@dlittle9556 Obama signed but would not release the pistols. Trump released the pistols. We were in a long holding pattern until Trump got into office. I won't return the ignorant end of your post. I'll simply say do your homework.
to own a piece of history like this? I don't mind jumping through a few hoops. I already have most of my paperwork done. The benefits of the CMP program is worth a little hassle. The sales of the 1911's will fund the CMP program.
Belonging to a CMP club and proof of marksmanship activity has always been a requirement for any CMP gun purchase. Marksmanship activity can include having a concealed handgun license, curio and relic license, membership in military
CMP is giving you a choice to make up your own mind about purchase. A choice which did not exist until they made it so. And you insult them for it? What the fuck is that all about?
M1 Garand's are currently selling at CMP for $730. From what i';ve been seeing retail prices of M1 Garands....mostly mix masters, which nearly ALL m1s are....that is quite under priced.
These pistols are coming from the government. With the anti-gun political world, they want to do everything they can to be certain that non-eleigible people, straw purchasers, etc, etc, are weeded out. the CMP (Civilian MARKSMANSHIP Program) is not a charity for veterans or collectors.....it is a MARKSMANSHIP program; That is their mission...to promote MARKSMANSHIP.
They say because the BATF and army prefers that they not send it to C&R licenses. The army has no power to render my legal license null and void. The ATF has no legal standing to make the license they issued null and void for no reason either as it violates their own rules. Since I am no longer in the army they shouldn't be able to tell me I can't use my Federal license and ATF is making some FFLs more equal than others so C&R should be treated legally and able to directly get these as the law says we can!
I understand your point, but hey do not have to recognize the C&R license. In fact, they could refuse to sell you a gun, outright, if they want. I have had dealers at gun shows and other places, refuse to recognize my C&R. Really just covering their ass, I would imagine. But, it's THEIR stuff and THEIR rules are how they are going to conduct business. Just go buy a vintage 1911 elsewhere. You'll probably get a better deal and a better gun. At least you could see it first.
I doubt I will after receiving CMP email too. I have a CMP M1 from years ago and not a problem in purchase rules, quality, and price. These rules are something I can do but price and additional fees for these weapons appears to be prohibitive for a worn out 1911.
Yeah it's basically a study to track the firearm and YOU! I started reading the steps and regulations I started shaking my head before I got have way through it by the time I finished it I was completely hypnotized and stumbled around in a daze for about 3 hours.
I was dead set against paying as much as they are asking fore these, but after looking at some of the refurbished ones im having second thoughts... these look pretty nice and Im thinking they are probably a pretty nice heirloom to hand down to grandkids.
I filled out the paperwork and was lucky to be selected. I'm very pleased with the colt 1911a1 I got (service grade). I already own a modern 1911 which was less expensive, but this one was from world war two! Maybe CMP could have simplified the process, but having retired after 20 years in the military which runs on complicated paperwork I am not surprised. Maybe as complicated as the process is, it might keep people I wouldn't want to own one from getting selected. Compared to other ww2 1911a1's, the cost was still a great deal! Very pleased with my CMP 1911a1.
Proof of citizenship (birth certificate or passport), associated club, and marksmanship activity (CCW qualifies) is already required for rifle purchase. 4473 for CMP and again for FFL is also required for rifle purchase unless you have a C&R license.
The standard information like being a part of a club or participating in marksmanship activities has ALWAYS been a part of the CMP, even with the M1 Garand purchases. Oh...and the CMP (Civilian MARKSMANSHIP Program) is not a charity for veterans or collectors.....it is a MARKSMANSHIP program; That is their mission...to promote MARKSMANSHIP.
Depends on the state that your local FFL is in and even the FFL themselves. If allowed for handgun purchases in your state, than that will work when you go to pick it up.
From the CMP`s website: CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation. Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition. Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition. Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.
I'm late to the party here. But the requirements (CMP club, marksmanship activity, etc) are all the same for purchasing a Garand. So WTF is this d00dz deal? If you were able to meet the requirements to purchase a Garand, you can meet the requirements for the 1911. If he took an extra minute to actually read the website he could easily see that having a C&R license or a CCW satisfies that requirement, don't necessarily have to actually participate in a comp.
It was a pain to fill all the requirements, but I did so carefully and meticulously for Round 2. I was able to get a very nice Colt, both slide and frame. They had about 8,000 for Round 2 and 19,000 applicants so I guess a lot of people are willing to do what is needed to get one.
according to the posted rules proof of citizenship can only be in the form of a birth certificate or military ID, no drivers license accepted. but the shooting activity requirement can be a CCW permit
I'll do what I did with my M1 Garand. I will buy on the secondary market. I may pay a little more but I get to "hand select" what I want. These rules are a bit crazy. I have no clubs and no marksmanship programs in my area.
That would be fun. I'd hate to think how thick my FBI file already is so what would another page be? I turn 63 in March. The day after I do, my FBI file turns 63. I wonder which pages would throw up the red flags? The visits to a Naval weapons center, Kennedy Space Center restricted areas, or the visit to a DOE nuclear weapons plant? :-D
Hoops? They were put in place by Congress and the Army. Hardly any worse than for my last Garand CMP purchase. Got my $1050 Service grade 1943 Ithaca frame/Ithaca slide 1911a1 with an unused S&W barrel last week. It’s in great shape. Last auctions for CMP 1911a1s sold in $2000+ range. People like this made my odds of getting a real US 1911a1 easier. None of his guns are real WW2, US property or US Army. I can get them any day of the week. A CMP Genuine WW2 US Army 1911a1? Get in line!
I was stoked that I might get one that I could have carried while I was in (Vietnam Era) Navy combat action. Now when I looked at the CMP email I made my decision to buy the Colt GI model. While I was in I believe I was fortunate enough to carry one of the original 15,000 Colts issued to the Navy.
First bundle out there,most appear to be hodgepodge of different parts restored by,Albany,or Anniston in the last decades.Historical relic for sure ,LOTTERY is only way to give everyone a shot.I would love my ITHACA I carried in 1976 KOREA,My Auto Ordnance will probably have to suffice.
Ok. I was mistaken: MARKSMANSHIP OR OTHER FIREARMS RELATED ACTIVITY: You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following: Current or past military service. Current or past law enforcement service Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin). Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor). Visit ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=match&task=search to find an upcoming CMP sanctioned clinic or match. Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status. Concealed Carry License. Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training. - FFL or C&R license. Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training. Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. Complete the CMP Marksmanship Form to certify your range firing and the required marksmanship related activity for an individual to purchase from the CMP. No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60. Proof of club membership and citizenship required for all ages. NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia.
Thanks for your post jason60chev. This was the only requirement that I thought I couldn't pass in order to qualify for a CMP 1911. Now I see that I "double qualify"! I'm a Marine veteran (1968-71) and I had to pass a marksmanship test here in Texas, to be issued my Licence to Carry. Now if the CMP could only guarantee to send me "my" Remington Rand 1911A1 that I carried for a while in 1969, it would be worth the effort... LOL Semper Fi, TreeTop
Jump through hoop hell ya cant wait .. filling out the forms EASY !!! took me an hour an had a printer right here.. Notary right up the street been a club member for 20 years. LATER ALL
thanks for the heads up, yeah this sucks and I will not be bending over to get these.I'm hoping they'll develop a surplus from ppl not buying these and they'll drop the red tape and be reasonable about prices and paperwork.I'm not holding my breath.think too many will be willing to do whatever to get these.for me it's a matter of principle along with the headaches.
When I was in the service in the 80's and qualified with the 1911's, they were in poor condition then from state side service armory inventory. I can buy a new Rem 1911 A1 for $500 with just 1 form at my local dealer.
It was quite an ordeal - but I understand that good ole DOD that made it so difficult. The government went so far as making CMP get a separate storage facility. You are blaming CMP for rules not of their making. DOD basically told them - here are the rules - its our way or no guns. Dont want a military issue gun? Dont buy one.
I can meet all those requirements. In fact this year I plan on saving up $1,000 by The end of February for this. Don’t plan on getting a high-grade. If it’s $800 for the gun I’ll go for it. Already a member of a CMP affiliated organization with plans to renew anyway. The notary thing is the only thing that bothers me because it seems pointless. Being in activity You could go to your range and ask them to have one of the safety officers watch you shoot and sign off on it. As far as I can tell there’s no date requirement so I plan to do it sometime in January February. Since I don’t think the forms to submit this will be released until May at the earliest.
I couldn't get one even if I wanted one, because NICS invariably puts me on a delay, and CMP says that a delay will be treated as a denial. The delay is because I have a common name, or so I've been told. Ironically, the CMP's Mark Johnson would have the same problem should he want to buy one.
100% correct people are starting to make videos on there CMP 1911s as of 2/19/19 and these guns from what I have seen are mix masters they are parked and the mags are not the half blue ones you get a really nice pelican box though lol I want a few garands though since they got a big shipment of them in I don’t care if it’s a mix master I just want a few shooters and apparently you get that when you get a field grade or special grade and 650 to 750 is a good deal on those in my opinion especially since I see them in the condition that you get from the CMP on armslist 1000+ now this could be because people are trying to off load em because of the big shipment that the CMP got
I'm with you. I was pretty interested, then I saw the cumbersome process. If I want another 1911, I can just go walk into my local shop. Somehow, I'm reminded of the pending tax reform: you will have a lower tax RATE (yea!) but many deductions vanish (thereby raising the amount of income taxed), benefits such as commuting support, healthcare costs, national park entry fees etc will all be on each of us a la carte so at the end of the month, I'm likely to have significantly less $$s in my pocket. I naively thought I could get a CMP 1911 simply by sending/showing a copy of my valid CCW then filling out the NCIS form at my FFL when the gun showed up a week or so later. Isn't that a nice dream?
In Round 1 over 18,000 buyers "jumped through hoops" to become the proud owner of a piece of American military history. This round should be about the same. I sent in my paperwork the first eligible day in January and rec'd my RGN on April 6th. This round started with number 20,000 and I am #20,995. I should be getting my call in about 3 weeks. I have a Talo Colt and a Remington R1. As a veteran, I wanted a 1911 that also served.
I think much of this new process has to do with that fact that these are hand guns. The CMP has never sold hand guns. And there is this "concern" that these guns will fall into the hands of criminals or otherwise not nice people.
If you've ordered from the CMP in the past, the first 5 requirements are not new to the CMP. They want everything resubmitted, yes, but proving club affiliation, marksmanship etc is NOT NEW. The big change is FFL signed copies for the transfer. oh btw, the store front FFL wording has been removed from the statement for clarity. If you can't put up with a few hoops that really aren't anything different than they were... maybe the CMP isn't for you?
yeah my only hope to get one of these is that some how one ends up at one of my local shops no way um going through all this bs to get a 1911 that um probly not going to shoot much anyway so yeah
I understand the 1911 to work best in low quality form. The reproduction 1911 were made using modern manufacturing cnc machines. I would like to see the surface finish on a slide that was run in a shaper before carbide was popular. In California we are already doing tons of paperwork. I figure I'll try to get one but I won't hold my breath.
The fact that they would create a background check process is an affront to the second amendment. No one who supports the second amendment should give this organization one penny for any reason. This is all we need ... vendors making up their own background checks.
Seems Jason that many who complain never have bought from the CMP before. Or else they never read the bottom of the forms. Down on the bottom of Page 2A of their forms it says "I hereby consent to allow the CMP to submit the information I have supplied with my application to the FBI national instant criminal background check system ( NICS ) to verify that I am not prohibited from buying this rifle, and I authorize the FBI to inform the CMP of the result." This requirement was put on the CMP a long time ago by Congress.
At 52 seconds, that statement is incorrect. Only 8000 were released to the CMP due to law. It is also by law that the second background check at an FFL was mandated. All other rules were in place already for CMP purchase. Worth/value is subjective, but I bet they don’t have any problems selling these first 8000. And the 8000 people who get one will probably not have any issues getting their money back should they sell them even if they choose to make some profit. As far as the price is concerned, I don’t see them expanding and paying execs/employees exorbitantly due to profits made from sales (just my .02)
No...... they are collectible but as pure shooters you will get a pistol for the same money purchasing new manufacture from S&W, Ruger, Armscor, PSA, Remington, Springfield Armory, Kimber, etc. I'm just not enough of collector to make it worthwhile to me.
I want a M1 Garand and I checked out their website. The only club I belong to is a online club that does have a range but is over 60 miles away. I do not know of any locally. I figured after they have been released there will be some on the used market before to long. I also belong to a second club up by my cabin (137 miles away) and they have a wonderful range but I know of no training except carry permits and I already have that. Normally I just shoot at my range at home. I want one that is good enough to shoot but it does not need to be perfect in fact I would rather not have a perfect one that I would not want to shoot. If I own it I shoot it. I picked up a couple 30 carbines last year, one new and one used. Enjoy shooting them (after I finally found some brass) I enjoy casting and loading my own ammo. I agree with the man who posted this video I guess for different reasons. For me the paperwork is not what holds me back but the being in a shooting training program. We have a store with a nice range close by but their rifle range is down about 60 stairs that have been there longer than I have been alive, the are all broke up and twisted. The last time I went there with my fat body and bad knees I got hurt and I just do not need that again. Hell I jumped through the hoops for 2 suppressors and did not need to be in a training program at a club anywhere.
The CMP will ask way more than the 1911 is worth even if you didn't have to jump through the hoops. Just watch and see. May as well go to your local gun shop and buy a new/used 1911
Sounds like it would be easier and probably cheaper to just go to the damn gun store,..or a good local pawn shop...I cant tell you how many great guns Ive gotten that way, just keep an eye out for a good shooter and youll find one most likely
No. The arbitrary decision to not accept C&R FFLs for this (which were plenty good to buy an M-1 Garand with) was the final straw. If one background check wasn't good enough, why would two be? And have you tried to pry a signed FFL loose from a storefront dealer so you can mail it in with your package? Most FFLs would rather hand you a signed blank check; you can do less damage with it. Keep 'em, I'll buy better ones.
The CMP has always required you to be member in an affiliated club to buy surplus weapons. This was the case with the M1 Garand's as well. Personally, unless the guns are in excellent condition and selling for $75 max, I'd rather just go buy a new one than deal with the bullshit.
CowboyBob 357 I have a1911. Family heirloom . Made in 1918. Been firing it since 1967. I shoot this pistol a lot. Always works perfectly and is pretty accurate. I wish all my automatics were as reliable and trouble free as my old 1911. 100 years old this year.
So it's the same as the original CMP regs, aside from the FFL? I'm failing to see the issue. You are potentially getting a original 1911, previously costing $1,200+, for probably $600. And the gripe is a $20 transfer fee? Go for it. Less people lining up. I'm happy to walk the line for a war era 1911.
Considering the conditions of the Beretta M9, I bet most of the 1911 are pretty beat up. Wait till the Beretta, Glocks, H&K, S&W, and Sig pistols are released in the future.
It’s my opinion that an organization like this should be selling these firearms at cost. What the government spent to make them (without inflation) is what they should have sold them to the CMP plus their cost to refurbish a few and grade them.
Go through all those hoops for an old used service pistol. I can get a new kimber, ruger, or remington, for under $1000. Why would I bother? Where's the value?
No I'll let others jump through hoops then wait for them to trade them at a gunshop then I'll buy it after they trade
Nah, i'll pass...If you're already in the CMP program, you SHOULD automatically be 'cleared' for transfer/sale.
And I think much of it has to do with these being handguns. CMP has never sold hand guns before. And with the political anti-gun environment, they want to be very careful that each and every purchaser is eligible.
Will agree that all you say is true, but since NO ONE.....NO ONE....is legally challenging any of it, these are the "laws", as un-Constitutional as they are, that we must live with. Strong talk will not get anything done. How about going out and actually do something to help change it instead of bitching?
Adam Churvis sorry if I misunderstood. I take this stuff more seriously and I read a lot of the same kind of comments; people saying how un-Constitutional all of these laws are but don’t see anyone willing to even write to their representatives about it nor to do anything else. I do not think that we will ever be able to do away with NFA nor GCA/1968. All of these self righteous liberals enact these Controls because of public safety. Judges hand down stupid rulings for the same reason or just because they are anti-Gun, themselves. The CMP must follow current laws, so, no, we aren’t going to change them. I don’t think that the CMP has ever sold hand guns, before. With the anti-gun sentiment and especially anti-hand Gun sentiment, there is additional scrutiny in place and the CMP has put these pistols into a separate program from their rifles and other products. I also read posts with people bitching that veterans should have first rights to refusal on these pistols and that they should be sold, well, let’s just say much less than the anticipated price. The CMP is not a Veteran’s charity, its stated purpose under its charter is to promote Marksmanship. Haven’t heard people bitch too much about the paper work to buy M1s.....why should pistols be any different? Granted, many CMP purchasers do it engage in any real Marksmanship nor competitive Activities, which is why there are different avenues to satisfy that. As for these pistols.......seems many have been expecting high quality examples with rare makers and all matching parts making these pistols worth way more. These things are likely to be mixmasters and perhaps pretty used up through constant training sessions over the years. Sure, there may be some nice ones, but higher quality for an in demand product requires a higher price. Personally, I already own a nice 1918 dated Colt 1911 which I do not fire all that often, there are other vintage pistols which I enjoy more. I may look into submitting a package for one of these, but since I spend 11 months out of the year in Afghanistan, it will be difficult to get my paperwork notarized. Still have a couple of years to do it; can have it done while I am home and have sister send in when time comes for next round.....IF I want to submit it. Sorry that I misunderstood your humor.
Thank you. Please note that I am working over here as a "money grubbing" civilian contractor, although I did serve in the USAF 1989-1993 as a B-52G Hydraulic systems tech. A few months ago, I read something about the language of "Sporting Pusrposes" within the GCA/1968 and wrote to my respresentative asking what exactly, that had to do with the 2nd Amendment. Thought I laid out my reasoning pretty well. I copied my email and sent it many times. I received...several times...the SAME, EXACT canned liberal/Democract talking points reply....word for word. Maybe it is no wonder people stop writing, because it seems the aides, just cut an paste a canned response to any issue. I also wrote to the ATF asking the same question. The requested an address to mail a reply to, which i have yet to receive.
To be honest, I don't think much on that sort of thing. Nothing really to do with my job here, which I do 12 hrs/day/7 days -wk/EVERY day. The saying is true.....Receiving money for you rlife. There is no personal life here. There's little to due in off hours, which are only 3-4 after your shift. I have only been home for 2 weeks out of the last 25 months. No relationships, no prospects for relationships, bills still have to be paid, getting older each year...life slipping away, but I cannot make half of what I make here working in avaition back home. Am trying to accomplish personal financial goals, them i will come home.
Makes it not really worth it
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Yes, got an m1 through the CMP for $630, and it's a thousand dollar rifle all day. I think they will list these from $650-1k and the grades will be worth it considering they go for 950 for ruff one on gunbroker
Your “concerns” with section 3 for all the requirements are already in place for purchasing any firearms (M1 Garand) from the cmp. 1. Copy of passport 2. CMP club $25 3. Conceal Carry License. Not that big of a deal.
Mike Powers that's exactly what it did for Me
$25?! Ha, CMP affiliated clubs in NY you’re looking at another $200/year.
Videos like this really helped make it possible for some of us to get one. It cut the expected demand from 75,000 to just under 20k.
Red tape cost MONEY.
I'm not interested in a $800 used anything without having it in hand to eyeball.
I was really looking forward to purchasing one of these surplus 1911's. Specifically a Colt because I have a set of grips for a 1911 that belonged to my great great uncle. He was a US Border Patrol officer on the Texas-Mexico border from the twenties to the mid 1950s. These grips were on his issued service sidearm and have his initials on them and I was hoping to get the chance to put them on a period correct 1911. If I could afford one I wouldn't mind jumping through the hoops that CMP is requiring. That is the only reason I'd even consider a CMP surplus 1911.
Your case is precisely why CMP should make their firearms available to C&R licensees.
the CMP (Civilian MARKSMANSHIP Program) is not a charity for veterans or collectors.....it is a MARKSMANSHIP program; That is their mission...to promote MARKSMANSHIP.
Well, they arent allowed to.
my cmp one wasn't refinished and still had original finish....great purchase and glad I did it... I did have to wait for 2 years to get it but it's a piece of History and a great old warhorse pistol that I was able to get and know what I was getting
I "jumped through the hoops" and got a very nice 1911 that I am very happy with . It shoots great ! It's not really that big a deal . I am an average guy (retired plumber / pipefitter) who already owned several 1911 pistols . My FFL here in north Texas only charges $10.00 for the transfer and I was already a member of Texas State Rifle Association, which qualifies . When I got my LTC (license to carry) I got a handgun proficiency certificate which works just fine . If you want one , I say go for it . I have a buddy who did the same thing and he is very happy as well . Even though I own some better 1911 pistols I'm happy and I hope you will be as well .
I bought a CMP special M1 in July and i was required to participate in a cmp sanctioned match to get a certificate to purchase......so i guess i dont understand what the big deal
Seems like some number cruncher saw a way to get more money. There's nothing wrong with them making money from grading them/etc, but this doesn't look like that. I thought it would be cool to buy one from this gov't sale, but thanks for the other suggestions
I was also excited for these until I heard the prices, just like their Garands they seem to be way above market value. It's going to be a bottom of the barrel parts hodge podge for $700 then service quality at $1000, and special issue at $1300-1500. Very disappointing because for that amount of money & less paperwork hassle you could go to your local gun store & get a brand new 1911 with match-grade barrel, match-grade trigger, and tritium sights for the same price as the service quality or higher guns.
You think a $730 M1 Garand is over priced? Price one anywhere else where people know what they really are worth.
I'll build you a flawless match 1911 for $1500, all day long (and a day is all that it takes, guys) People paying $3000 for 1911's are out of their minds. Guys who have 1911's purpose built, like Ed brown or Baer , dont have to build up or fit anything. The parts are to spec already. All that has to be done is put them together, takes just a minute, and the parts cost those guys about $400. For a gun that's too heavy and bulky to carry. :-) frigging silly in the extreme.
Too bulky and heavy to carry? Better not let mine hear that. They might get mad. ;-) My EDC for years was a Taurus PT1911 and now is still a Sig C3.
excep or the fact that you didn't. and dont. Even Cooper preferred an alloy commander.
Except for the fact that I do and did. The PT1911s have been in blued or stainless. Neither are lightweight firearms. The Colts have been in blued or stainless. The same holster that I currently use has been used for all of them. A Galco IWB 212. When the Sig is being cleaned, one of the others occupies the holster. When in Ohio, it is a SAI blued 1911 milspec that is also in the same type holster or a S&W CS 40 depending on my mood at the time.
I swear the government can screw anything up. The CMP can wipe their ass with the paper work.
Not interested
I felt like you did for about 10 minutes. Then I sent in my paperwork and waited. A year later I got a beautiful Colt in perfect condition. Cost $1000. Very glad I took the time to jump through a few hoops that were only to appease the democrats. As a veteran, I carried a 1911A1 and now I own one.
The dems have nothing to do with any of this. Obama actually signed the ndaa of which authorized the transfer of 100k 1911s to the cmp. Dumbass
@@dlittle9556 Obama signed but would not release the pistols. Trump released the pistols. We were in a long holding pattern until Trump got into office. I won't return the ignorant end of your post. I'll simply say do your homework.
@@johnhartley5217 yeah but trump is anti 2a.
to own a piece of history like this? I don't mind jumping through a few hoops. I already have most of my paperwork done. The benefits of the CMP program is worth a little hassle. The sales of the 1911's will fund the CMP program.
agree 100%
Got my hopes up for nothing. I’ll just get one new.
Belonging to a CMP club and proof of marksmanship activity has always been a requirement for any CMP gun purchase. Marksmanship activity can include having a concealed handgun license, curio and relic license, membership in military
After seeing this video it doesn't seem in my best interest to go this route to purchase a refurbished 1911.
CMP must love government. I'll pass.😒
Its not the cmp its the fed govt regs telling them how they have to sell. This isnt their rules but it is bs
CMP is giving you a choice to make up your own mind about purchase. A choice which did not exist until they made it so. And you insult them for it? What the fuck is that all about?
CMP guns are way over priced in my opinion.
M1 Garand's are currently selling at CMP for $730. From what i';ve been seeing retail prices of M1 Garands....mostly mix masters, which nearly ALL m1s are....that is quite under priced.
Now now....dont cry. Waaaaaa......Waaaaaaaa
Then you know nothing about the market
Well Glenn, that is your opinion.
Some of these replys are toxic as fuck
I read this and gave up on it as MORE BUREAUCRATIC NONSENSE !!!!
NOT SO INTERESTED ANY MORE !!!!
REDICULESS RED TAPE .........
I don't get why C&R FFL's are not allowed to purchase. I can get the same pistol from a dealer but not from CMP? WTF?
These pistols are coming from the government. With the anti-gun political world, they want to do everything they can to be certain that non-eleigible people, straw purchasers, etc, etc, are weeded out. the CMP (Civilian MARKSMANSHIP Program) is not a charity for veterans or collectors.....it is a MARKSMANSHIP program; That is their mission...to promote MARKSMANSHIP.
They say because the BATF and army prefers that they not send it to C&R licenses. The army has no power to render my legal license null and void. The ATF has no legal standing to make the license they issued null and void for no reason either as it violates their own rules. Since I am no longer in the army they shouldn't be able to tell me I can't use my Federal license and ATF is making some FFLs more equal than others so C&R should be treated legally and able to directly get these as the law says we can!
I understand your point, but hey do not have to recognize the C&R license. In fact, they could refuse to sell you a gun, outright, if they want. I have had dealers at gun shows and other places, refuse to recognize my C&R. Really just covering their ass, I would imagine. But, it's THEIR stuff and THEIR rules are how they are going to conduct business. Just go buy a vintage 1911 elsewhere. You'll probably get a better deal and a better gun. At least you could see it first.
You march right down there to and tell them that. LOL
I doubt I will after receiving CMP email too. I have a CMP M1 from years ago and not a problem in purchase rules, quality, and price. These rules are something I can do but price and additional fees for these weapons appears to be prohibitive for a worn out 1911.
Yeah it's basically a study to track the firearm and YOU!
I started reading the steps and regulations I started shaking my head before I got have way through it by the time I finished it I was completely hypnotized and stumbled around in a daze for about 3 hours.
I was dead set against paying as much as they are asking fore these, but after looking at some of the refurbished ones im having second thoughts... these look pretty nice and Im thinking they are probably a pretty nice heirloom to hand down to grandkids.
I filled out the paperwork and was lucky to be selected. I'm very pleased with the colt 1911a1 I got (service grade). I already own a modern 1911 which was less expensive, but this one was from world war two! Maybe CMP could have simplified the process, but having retired after 20 years in the military which runs on complicated paperwork I am not surprised. Maybe as complicated as the process is, it might keep people I wouldn't want to own one from getting selected. Compared to other ww2 1911a1's, the cost was still a great deal! Very pleased with my CMP 1911a1.
Proof of citizenship (birth certificate or passport), associated club, and marksmanship activity (CCW qualifies) is already required for rifle purchase. 4473 for CMP and again for FFL is also required for rifle purchase unless you have a C&R license.
What about the California, will it have to be on the "Approved" list??
Thanks for this heads up. I was wondering what happened to my application.
I'll wait till someone else buys it and wants to resell it.
The standard information like being a part of a club or participating in marksmanship activities has ALWAYS been a part of the CMP, even with the M1 Garand purchases. Oh...and the CMP (Civilian MARKSMANSHIP Program) is not a charity for veterans or collectors.....it is a MARKSMANSHIP program; That is their mission...to promote MARKSMANSHIP.
What about a CCW or CWP (what ever you call it) as far as background check?
Depends on the state that your local FFL is in and even the FFL themselves. If allowed for handgun purchases in your state, than that will work when you go to pick it up.
Well worth the effort only $ 1050 + price a great antique when the CMP reopens the program Go For It!
From the CMP`s website:
CMP has priced the 1911 type pistols at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.
Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.
I'm late to the party here. But the requirements (CMP club, marksmanship activity, etc) are all the same for purchasing a Garand. So WTF is this d00dz deal? If you were able to meet the requirements to purchase a Garand, you can meet the requirements for the 1911. If he took an extra minute to actually read the website he could easily see that having a C&R license or a CCW satisfies that requirement, don't necessarily have to actually participate in a comp.
It was a pain to fill all the requirements, but I did so carefully and meticulously for Round 2. I was able to get a very nice Colt, both slide and frame. They had about 8,000 for Round 2 and 19,000 applicants so I guess a lot of people are willing to do what is needed to get one.
according to the posted rules proof of citizenship can only be in the form of a birth certificate or military ID, no drivers license accepted. but the shooting activity requirement can be a CCW permit
Time travel seems like the easier option...
Adam yamaha 😂😂😂 classic!!!!
hahah! but you're right :/
Grab a mp40 or a Thompson if you do go back lol just don't say to anyone you have it unless you change the laws when your also there lol
What a joke! Thanks for the info brother, but I guess I will be just purchasing a colt used instead of jumping through hoops for these nuckleheads
If you’re military that counts for your CMP affiliated organization and marksmanship activity. They have a whole list of what counts.
I'll do what I did with my M1 Garand. I will buy on the secondary market. I may pay a little more but I get to "hand select" what I want. These rules are a bit crazy. I have no clubs and no marksmanship programs in my area.
You forgot to add that Robert Muellers team will have to personally investigate every application for the 1911
rezdog187 😂😂😂
And if you ever took more than 10 items through the express check out at the grocery store, you are disqualified!
That would be fun. I'd hate to think how thick my FBI file already is so what would another page be? I turn 63 in March. The day after I do, my FBI file turns 63. I wonder which pages would throw up the red flags? The visits to a Naval weapons center, Kennedy Space Center restricted areas, or the visit to a DOE nuclear weapons plant? :-D
Hoops? They were put in place by Congress and the Army. Hardly any worse than for my last Garand CMP purchase. Got my $1050 Service grade 1943 Ithaca frame/Ithaca slide 1911a1 with an unused S&W barrel last week. It’s in great shape. Last auctions for CMP 1911a1s sold in $2000+ range. People like this made my odds of getting a real US 1911a1 easier. None of his guns are real WW2, US property or US Army. I can get them any day of the week. A CMP Genuine WW2 US Army 1911a1? Get in line!
to compete in a cmp rated shooting event, I would have to make almost a four hundred mile round trip for each event.
Why are they not C&R eligible ?
seriously screw them......And that being said its 9am i'm going to my local gun store just to see whats on sale now!
Armedlegally 😂
I was stoked that I might get one that I could have carried while I was in (Vietnam Era) Navy combat action. Now when I looked at the CMP email I made my decision to buy the Colt GI model. While I was in I believe I was fortunate enough to carry one of the original 15,000 Colts issued to the Navy.
so whats done with the extra data where does it go?
Kept by the CMP 1911. Just the same as the CMP does with the M1s. The only thing different being that the CMP 1911 is an FFL while the CMP is not.
First bundle out there,most appear to be hodgepodge of different parts restored by,Albany,or Anniston in the last decades.Historical relic for sure ,LOTTERY is only way to give everyone a shot.I would love my ITHACA I carried in 1976 KOREA,My Auto Ordnance will probably have to suffice.
license to carry in states that require a range test is considered marksmanship activity
Not under CMP definition.
yes it is, unless they have changed rules, also assuming you ive in a state that does a range test for your license.
Ok. I was mistaken: MARKSMANSHIP OR OTHER FIREARMS RELATED ACTIVITY:
You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:
Current or past military service.
Current or past law enforcement service
Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor). Visit ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=match&task=search to find an upcoming CMP sanctioned clinic or match.
Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
Concealed Carry License.
Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training. - FFL or C&R license.
Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. Complete the CMP Marksmanship Form to certify your range firing and the required marksmanship related activity for an individual to purchase from the CMP.
No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60. Proof of club membership and citizenship required for all ages. NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia.
Thanks for your post jason60chev. This was the only requirement that I thought I couldn't pass in order to qualify for a CMP 1911. Now I see that I "double qualify"! I'm a Marine veteran (1968-71) and I had to pass a marksmanship test here in Texas, to be issued my Licence to Carry.
Now if the CMP could only guarantee to send me "my" Remington Rand 1911A1 that I carried for a while in 1969, it would be worth the effort... LOL Semper Fi, TreeTop
Jump through hoop hell ya cant wait .. filling out the forms EASY !!! took me an hour an had a printer right here.. Notary right up the street been a club member for 20 years. LATER ALL
What is your RGN?
Man agree with you 100 percent, would like to have one but not at those prices and restrictions
thanks for the heads up, yeah this sucks and I will not be bending over to get these.I'm hoping they'll develop a surplus from ppl not buying these and they'll drop the red tape and be reasonable about prices and paperwork.I'm not holding my breath.think too many will be willing to do whatever to get these.for me it's a matter of principle along with the headaches.
I had to be part of a club and due the marksmanship event to get my M1. Most banks will be a notary for their customers.
Guess I'll just get the cimarron 1911. Was hoping for a cheap WW1 style 1911.
How can they be overvalued, if they are not valued yet? The market will decide what the value is.
When I was in the service in the 80's and qualified with the 1911's, they were in poor condition then from state side service armory inventory. I can buy a new Rem 1911 A1 for $500 with just 1 form at my local dealer.
I'll pass. I have fired these clunkers in the 70's and 80's. Other than historical or nostalgic interest... not for me.
When the CMP comes out with the 1911's the others, who knows, may come down in price?
I thought the very same thing!! CMP has gone NUTS !!
Bro thanks because I was waiting for one but now not so much.
Got mine last week - super pleased!
It really does not seem much different than the steps you have to take to get one of their M1s. other than the FFL.
It was quite an ordeal - but I understand that good ole DOD that made it so difficult. The government went so far as making CMP get a separate storage facility. You are blaming CMP for rules not of their making. DOD basically told them - here are the rules - its our way or no guns. Dont want a military issue gun? Dont buy one.
Very informative, thanks. I have to agree with you. They are making it unnecessarily complicated.
I got my m1 through the Cmp I used my hunter safety course for the required live fire
I can meet all those requirements. In fact this year I plan on saving up $1,000 by The end of February for this. Don’t plan on getting a high-grade. If it’s $800 for the gun I’ll go for it. Already a member of a CMP affiliated organization with plans to renew anyway. The notary thing is the only thing that bothers me because it seems pointless.
Being in activity You could go to your range and ask them to have one of the safety officers watch you shoot and sign off on it. As far as I can tell there’s no date requirement so I plan to do it sometime in January February. Since I don’t think the forms to submit this will be released until May at the earliest.
Totally agree. Once I read about all the hoops to be jumped through, I said, the hell with it.
Paul you make a great point. Wish you could come on the Hank Strange Podcast and SHARE your knowledge with more of the 2A community...
The Archangel I have no way to do that!
My email is paul@LegallyArmedAmerica.com
I bought a RIA for $300ish, Spent another $350 or so getting it customized and now I have a excellent gun for way less than one of those POS.
I couldn't get one even if I wanted one, because NICS invariably puts me on a delay, and CMP says that a delay will be treated as a denial. The delay is because I have a common name, or so I've been told. Ironically, the CMP's Mark Johnson would have the same problem should he want to buy one.
100% correct people are starting to make videos on there CMP 1911s as of 2/19/19 and these guns from what I have seen are mix masters they are parked and the mags are not the half blue ones you get a really nice pelican box though lol I want a few garands though since they got a big shipment of them in I don’t care if it’s a mix master I just want a few shooters and apparently you get that when you get a field grade or special grade and 650 to 750 is a good deal on those in my opinion especially since I see them in the condition that you get from the CMP on armslist 1000+ now this could be because people are trying to off load em because of the big shipment that the CMP got
I'm with you. I was pretty interested, then I saw the cumbersome process. If I want another 1911, I can just go walk into my local shop. Somehow, I'm reminded of the pending tax reform: you will have a lower tax RATE (yea!) but many deductions vanish (thereby raising the amount of income taxed), benefits such as commuting support, healthcare costs, national park entry fees etc will all be on each of us a la carte so at the end of the month, I'm likely to have significantly less $$s in my pocket. I naively thought I could get a CMP 1911 simply by sending/showing a copy of my valid CCW then filling out the NCIS form at my FFL when the gun showed up a week or so later. Isn't that a nice dream?
In Round 1 over 18,000 buyers "jumped through hoops" to become the proud owner of a piece of American military history. This round should be about the same. I sent in my paperwork the first eligible day in January and rec'd my RGN on April 6th. This round started with number 20,000 and I am #20,995. I should be getting my call in about 3 weeks. I have a Talo Colt and a Remington R1. As a veteran, I wanted a 1911 that also served.
You have to be involved in a CMP affiliated club to buy a Garand also
Does one have to be a citizen in order to own firearms in the US?
I think much of this new process has to do with that fact that these are hand guns. The CMP has never sold hand guns. And there is this "concern" that these guns will fall into the hands of criminals or otherwise not nice people.
I think I'll just buy a new 1911 from my local gun shop.
Thank you for the info.
If you've ordered from the CMP in the past, the first 5 requirements are not new to the CMP. They want everything resubmitted, yes, but proving club affiliation, marksmanship etc is NOT NEW.
The big change is FFL signed copies for the transfer. oh btw, the store front FFL wording has been removed from the statement for clarity.
If you can't put up with a few hoops that really aren't anything different than they were... maybe the CMP isn't for you?
yeah my only hope to get one of these is that some how one ends up at one of my local shops no way um going through all this bs to get a 1911 that um probly not going to shoot much anyway so yeah
You'll probably poay more at your local gunshop.
I understand the 1911 to work best in low quality form. The reproduction 1911 were made using modern manufacturing cnc machines. I would like to see the surface finish on a slide that was run in a shaper before carbide was popular. In California we are already doing tons of paperwork. I figure I'll try to get one but I won't hold my breath.
if it pleases the crown i shall jump through thy whimsical hoops now.
I love the lack of completion for a piece of history. Too many people want something gift nothing.
I've been waiting on these since 1985!
The fact that they would create a background check process is an affront to the second amendment. No one who supports the second amendment should give this organization one penny for any reason. This is all we need ... vendors making up their own background checks.
CMP has ALWAYS done background checks. You never formally completed a 4473, but the check is part of their paperwork.
Seems Jason that many who complain never have bought from the CMP before. Or else they never read the bottom of the forms. Down on the bottom of Page 2A of their forms it says "I hereby consent to allow the CMP to submit the information I have supplied with my application to the FBI national instant criminal background check system ( NICS ) to verify that I am not prohibited from buying this rifle, and I authorize the FBI to inform the CMP of the result." This requirement was put on the CMP a long time ago by Congress.
At 52 seconds, that statement is incorrect. Only 8000 were released to the CMP due to law. It is also by law that the second background check at an FFL was mandated. All other rules were in place already for CMP purchase. Worth/value is subjective, but I bet they don’t have any problems selling these first 8000. And the 8000 people who get one will probably not have any issues getting their money back should they sell them even if they choose to make some profit. As far as the price is concerned, I don’t see them expanding and paying execs/employees exorbitantly due to profits made from sales (just my .02)
No...... they are collectible but as pure shooters you will get a pistol for the same money purchasing new manufacture from S&W, Ruger, Armscor, PSA, Remington, Springfield Armory, Kimber, etc.
I'm just not enough of collector to make it worthwhile to me.
I want a M1 Garand and I checked out their website. The only club I belong to is a online club that does have a range but is over 60 miles away. I do not know of any locally. I figured after they have been released there will be some on the used market before to long. I also belong to a second club up by my cabin (137 miles away) and they have a wonderful range but I know of no training except carry permits and I already have that. Normally I just shoot at my range at home. I want one that is good enough to shoot but it does not need to be perfect in fact I would rather not have a perfect one that I would not want to shoot. If I own it I shoot it. I picked up a couple 30 carbines last year, one new and one used. Enjoy shooting them (after I finally found some brass) I enjoy casting and loading my own ammo.
I agree with the man who posted this video I guess for different reasons. For me the paperwork is not what holds me back but the being in a shooting training program. We have a store with a nice range close by but their rifle range is down about 60 stairs that have been there longer than I have been alive, the are all broke up and twisted. The last time I went there with my fat body and bad knees I got hurt and I just do not need that again. Hell I jumped through the hoops for 2 suppressors and did not need to be in a training program at a club anywhere.
Barn Dweller Check out the Garand Collectors Association. Online club that qualifies and only costs $25 bucks.
The CMP will ask way more than the 1911 is worth even if you didn't have to jump through the hoops. Just watch and see. May as well go to your local gun shop and buy a new/used 1911
Sounds like it would be easier and probably cheaper to just go to the damn gun store,..or a good local pawn shop...I cant tell you how many great guns Ive gotten that way, just keep an eye out for a good shooter and youll find one most likely
Will a DD214 with a load of man juice be ok?
No. The arbitrary decision to not accept C&R FFLs for this (which were plenty good to buy an M-1 Garand with) was the final straw. If one background check wasn't good enough, why would two be?
And have you tried to pry a signed FFL loose from a storefront dealer so you can mail it in with your package? Most FFLs would rather hand you a signed blank check; you can do less damage with it.
Keep 'em, I'll buy better ones.
The CMP has always required you to be member in an affiliated club to buy surplus weapons. This was the case with the M1 Garand's as well.
Personally, unless the guns are in excellent condition and selling for $75 max, I'd rather just go buy a new one than deal with the bullshit.
I'd rather spend my money on a newer 1911. I'm sure a more contemporary model would be more reliable and a lot less hassle.
You are missing the point. These have historical significance (possibly). Still not worth the effort though.
CowboyBob 357 I have a1911. Family heirloom . Made in 1918. Been firing it since 1967. I shoot this pistol a lot. Always works perfectly and is pretty accurate. I wish all my automatics were as reliable and trouble free as my old 1911. 100 years old this year.
So it's the same as the original CMP regs, aside from the FFL? I'm failing to see the issue. You are potentially getting a original 1911, previously costing $1,200+, for probably $600. And the gripe is a $20 transfer fee? Go for it. Less people lining up. I'm happy to walk the line for a war era 1911.
Dang that’s a lot of hoops, I mean it would be cool to own one but that’s a lot of extra work
Considering the conditions of the Beretta M9, I bet most of the 1911 are pretty beat up. Wait till the Beretta, Glocks, H&K, S&W, and Sig pistols are released in the future.
Ahem brother. I figure I will wait several years and see how the value and condition pans out.
It’s my opinion that an organization like this should be selling these firearms at cost. What the government spent to make them (without inflation) is what they should have sold them to the CMP plus their cost to refurbish a few and grade them.
When did metallicas james Hatfield start a gun channel?
Go through all those hoops for an old used service pistol. I can get a new kimber, ruger, or remington, for under $1000. Why would I bother? Where's the value?