Can am is smart - investing in their ATV line up because side by sides have become prohibitively expensive for a large chunk of the market - Polaris on the other hand has put all their eggs in the SXS basket and it will bite them
Not bashing Polaris, but I do agree with you about the renewed focus on ATVs. Providing a more affordable product when prices are so crazy right now will also win over consumers to Can Am.
@@dirttraxtv anecdotally I know quite a few people selling their SXS and going back to riding ATV’s, too - although the reasoning I’ve heard is varied from they find quads more fun to they are better for work around the property, etc. I love SXS’s but the shine on them has come off with the prices going up so much.
Polaris doubled down on the ATV pricing gouge too. I like to use the 860 HL and touring models as examples. The HL used to be $12,600, the touring was $13,400 (CAD). They are now $16,139 (no changes) and the touring is $17,039. And the touring has no changes other than arched a-arms. WTF Polaris!!!!
My followers voted the HD7 XU as my next quad over a CForce 600 so I bought one a few weeks ago and I love the thing! I'm in the same boat of thought as you guys. I was a BIG grizzly fan and have owned a 660 and 700 grizz's in my day. My outlander pro is just a good a machine as they were with more power, comfort, and at a lesser price! I've herd a lot of slack from can am guys about it being stupid to go with a single cylinder when they offer the big v twins but as a former outlander 1000 owner, I much perfer the HD7 over the 1000 I had. The 1000 was a blast in a straight line but in the deep woods I tend to ride not so much as it was loud, hot, and jerky. Can't wait to put some miles on the Pro this year!! On a side note I'm still getting to demo the cforce 600 in a couple weeks so it will be neat to compare the two.
Bought a HD7 in later part of 23. Absolutely love this machine. Like A.J. said,smooth ride'n, best riding ATV I've ever rode. Rode a17 Outlander before with a set of Elka's all round, helped a bunch, but still ain't as good as the HD7. The clunk in the rear end I have heard several people mention. Heard it about three times when I first got it. Have not heard it anymore in the last 4 or 5 rides I've been on. ? ? ? Don't know what it was, it has seem to went away. For the money, can't beet it. 😊
I used the speed limit setting on mine when my teenage daughter first learned to drive it. I came in handy knowing that she couldnt run it out of control.
I purchased this exact machine last summer and ran it hard last fall during hunting season. It is better than my Grizz 700 which my son now drives. Biggest advantage is comfort and ergonomics. It just sits and feels so much better than the Grizz. On the Grizz I always felt I was sitting too forward. The adjustable engine brake is great for steep downhill trails and the pushbutton locker is awesome. I had to heavily modify my Grizz with bags, gun rack, skids, bars, winch, tires, clutch work, and lights to make it a monster in the woods. This PRO does it right out of the box with nothing added but the grip/guards and a gun rack. All that and $2500 cheaper than the Grizz makes it a no-brainer. Glad to see AJ agrees....
After putting a few hours on a buddy's Max XT 850, I was debating over the best pick for my first ATV and the XT 700 was high on my list. I ended up succumbing to the power-junkie instincts and got a '21 XT-P 1000R that was still in great condition, and threw on 28" Blackwater Evo's and a Dalton clutch kit, but that's not a diss on this lineup at all. Can-Am put a lot of thought into making this the best mid-class machine in the game, and it shows. The pseudo-truck-bed in the rear rack, the storage bin in the front rack, the glove box, the new powerplant, and the ergonomics are all great ideas and well executed. In my mind, this design is miles ahead of Yamaha, who are still using the same steel-tube cargo rack design that they have since the 1980's, and is somehow still less pricey. Everyone has their personal preference, and I intend no hate, this is just my viewpoint.
Absolutely love the new Gen 3 platform. I just slapped on 29x10 trail tires with no trimming and no rubbing. Rides great, 14 inches ground clearance now. Awesome machine. I just ordered the 2025 850 base. Can't wait! Great review.
It's an awesome machine but, the fact that it weighs damn near the same as my 22 Sportsman 1000 S is kinda crazy considering the size difference. Always good to see new things in the industry though.
Regardless of being a bit of a Can-Am fan boy, there's no doubt that this was a good move on their part. I love Yamaha but they've been officially beaten.
I have a 700 Grizz and bought this last year. My son rides the Grizz now so we can compare them on every ride. This is better. Better ride, handling, power, etc. And it has way more features. Yamaha needs to do something...anything at this point.
Dirt Trax claimed in this video that the wet weight of the Outlander is around 1,000 lbs. The Grizzly’s wet weight is 701 lbs per Yamaha website. 300 lbs is a huge difference. How does this translate to actual ride feel?
Great review AJ, you guys added some handy accessories, i really like the chain saw holder, as i dont go many places without my husqvarna! I was a little surprised on how smooth you said it was, as i have a 2022 defender HD7, and its a nice engine but definitely not as smooth as my brother's HD10. I recently sat on one of these at a local dealership and couldn't believe how huge these machines are getting! My 2003 Honda rincon 650 seems like a toy compared to this one. Would you take this machine over a 650 v twin Outlander if they still made it? My son has a 2007 renegade 800 and that v twin sounds and performs so nice!
Lots to unpack here! First, LOVE the Defender HD10 and the additional power for a vehicle that size does help quite a bit. Second, YES! The Rincon hasn't changed much in the past decade. I think if Honda ever does an overhaul of this ATV they'll move to the larger bodywork as their flagship ATV. Third, this is the toughest question. Absolutely LOVE the 650 V-twin and think it might be the best engine in Can-Am's lineup. Loads of power on-tap and that ATV runs great in the trails. That said, there's a big jump in price from the HD7 to the 650 V-Twin. For the money, the value lies with the HD7.
@@dirttraxtv On the matter of the 650, their best move would be to offer both imo. Bring back the 650, even if it's just in the XT or DPS trim only, and make everyone happy. It's not like the 650 is gone, it's still in the lower-end Renegades, so it baffles me why they stopped putting it in Outlanders in the first place. The only reason I can think of is to put more emphasis on the 5/700's.
I actually purchased this machine because it did not have one. Like AJ, I have my hunting rifle on a rack in front of the bars and the light would just reflect off that becoming distracting. I did mount a powerful LED pod to my bars using a RAM mount and that shines over the top but I can switch that off at will.
No, it does not. Air intake is farther back. Actually, this model already has a very high intake. A snorkel will not add much. Maybe a taller aftermarket one would be worth it.
@@Dusdaddy I'm not looking to do any crazy mud. I've mentioned this before, here in Nova Scotia, we have most every terrain, and many trails will get deep with a good days rain. I'd love to see every ATV maker get the intakes and CVT up high just for peace of mind. Curious too, is the CVT exhaust low? Or is that part of the snorkelling kit?
@@EC_ATV_OutdoorsThen a snorkel wouldn't be needed. All intakes are above the level of that storage box and the front rack. To flood this bike, your handlebars will get wet.
@@Dusdaddyjust watched a video of a guy adding the snorkel kit. No idea if it blocks the saw mount. And I don't want a rad relocate. But in his video, the CVT intake is at knee level, so I'd have to assume the exhaust isn't high up either. Maybe the engine is high up, but that CVT is going to drown quickly where I ride after a good rain. And again, I'm not doing crazy stuff, but it looks to me like the CVT intake might be lower than a Polaris. But Polaris has the wort designed CVT exhaust. They often have no U to even mildly prevent splashes from going in the exhaust end.
My 2020 XP1000 is way more comfortable to me than a friend’s can am xtp. Polaris has a much more narrow leg area, taller bars, you just sit lower, seat is way more plush. Just depends on what fits you. You will pay much more for a can am. I think can am is great too, maybe buy one someday.
I have this exact machine and a 700 Grizzly as well. I have modded the Grizz with 27" tires, winch, lights, glide plate, and front bag. Fully fueled, with recovery gear stowed, both machines weigh within ten pounds of each other. The Grizz at 930lbs and the PRO at 935lbs.
I am interested in buying a new Outlander but I have been looking at the DPS 700. I see most of the reviews are on the pro models and those are geared towards work. I know the suspension is stiffer on the pro. Do you have any feedback on the non pro version? My main concern is body roll. I saw another one of your vieos said the Outlander did not have the same body roll as the Grizzly but the Outlander you had was the Pro. Does anyone know what I should expect from the non pro model?
Maybe having AJ say that about this machine will light a fire under Yamaha's ass . Personally I would rather the grizzly xtr because it has less electrical choices because it does everything really well with one drive mode , one power steering mode but ppl now days want buttons and switches and choices . Ppl also want thier pay cheque to go further. A long in the tooth grizzly is bound to need a dentist sooner or later
The Pro lineup doesn't have any max models, but the DPS 500/700 and the XT 700 both have 2-up variants, and the only difference is they're less work-tuned and more focused on the trail
I dont understand why anyone would buy one of these. If I'm buying a can am or Polaris, I'm getting it for the fun factor of the big power 1000. If I'm going to drop down to a 700 then I'll be looking at reliability and durability, in that case yamaha and suzuki win hands down.
@@Dusdaddy yeah, the one key is BS. And in this scenario, they added the throttle limiter for this purpose. So a complete failure imho. They should just include a 2nd key then if an employee could bypass it. But for a teens use, I assume you wouldn't send them out with friends without you. So the chance of a teen bypassing is slim for me. It's the employee I'd be worried about. But I'm not sure how many jobs involve bad employees and ATVs either lol
@@EC_ATV_Outdoors They did not add the limiter for that reason at all. They added it purely for what AJ described......to run a fertilizer or seed spreader. I have used it on some trails just to see if it was easier than constantly modulating my thumb but it was pretty much worthless. Haven't used it since.
look the suspensionj noise clunker noise maker turd wonder when thier gonna figure out the mystery suspension noise in the rear that everyone bitches about in ever forum or atv group or atv riding park
Can am is smart - investing in their ATV line up because side by sides have become prohibitively expensive for a large chunk of the market - Polaris on the other hand has put all their eggs in the SXS basket and it will bite them
Not bashing Polaris, but I do agree with you about the renewed focus on ATVs. Providing a more affordable product when prices are so crazy right now will also win over consumers to Can Am.
@@dirttraxtv anecdotally I know quite a few people selling their SXS and going back to riding ATV’s, too - although the reasoning I’ve heard is varied from they find quads more fun to they are better for work around the property, etc. I love SXS’s but the shine on them has come off with the prices going up so much.
Yea I hope side by side prices keep going up to. More people will buy quads then
Polaris doubled down on the ATV pricing gouge too. I like to use the 860 HL and touring models as examples. The HL used to be $12,600, the touring was $13,400 (CAD).
They are now $16,139 (no changes) and the touring is $17,039. And the touring has no changes other than arched a-arms.
WTF Polaris!!!!
@@EC_ATV_Outdoors WOW! That's nuts!! 😱
My followers voted the HD7 XU as my next quad over a CForce 600 so I bought one a few weeks ago and I love the thing! I'm in the same boat of thought as you guys. I was a BIG grizzly fan and have owned a 660 and 700 grizz's in my day. My outlander pro is just a good a machine as they were with more power, comfort, and at a lesser price! I've herd a lot of slack from can am guys about it being stupid to go with a single cylinder when they offer the big v twins but as a former outlander 1000 owner, I much perfer the HD7 over the 1000 I had. The 1000 was a blast in a straight line but in the deep woods I tend to ride not so much as it was loud, hot, and jerky. Can't wait to put some miles on the Pro this year!! On a side note I'm still getting to demo the cforce 600 in a couple weeks so it will be neat to compare the two.
Bought a HD7 in later part of 23. Absolutely love this machine. Like A.J. said,smooth ride'n, best riding ATV I've ever rode. Rode a17 Outlander before with a set of Elka's all round, helped a bunch, but still ain't as good as the HD7. The clunk in the rear end I have heard several people mention. Heard it about three times when I first got it. Have not heard it anymore in the last 4 or 5 rides I've been on. ? ? ?
Don't know what it was, it has seem to went away.
For the money, can't beet it. 😊
I got one of these. The non pro version and I love it I have a outlander 570 as well that I gave to my wife when I got the 700 love them both
I used the speed limit setting on mine when my teenage daughter first learned to drive it. I came in handy knowing that she couldnt run it out of control.
I purchased this exact machine last summer and ran it hard last fall during hunting season. It is better than my Grizz 700 which my son now drives. Biggest advantage is comfort and ergonomics. It just sits and feels so much better than the Grizz. On the Grizz I always felt I was sitting too forward. The adjustable engine brake is great for steep downhill trails and the pushbutton locker is awesome. I had to heavily modify my Grizz with bags, gun rack, skids, bars, winch, tires, clutch work, and lights to make it a monster in the woods. This PRO does it right out of the box with nothing added but the grip/guards and a gun rack. All that and $2500 cheaper than the Grizz makes it a no-brainer. Glad to see AJ agrees....
Thanks for sharing! Always appreciate an owner's opinion!
After putting a few hours on a buddy's Max XT 850, I was debating over the best pick for my first ATV and the XT 700 was high on my list. I ended up succumbing to the power-junkie instincts and got a '21 XT-P 1000R that was still in great condition, and threw on 28" Blackwater Evo's and a Dalton clutch kit, but that's not a diss on this lineup at all. Can-Am put a lot of thought into making this the best mid-class machine in the game, and it shows. The pseudo-truck-bed in the rear rack, the storage bin in the front rack, the glove box, the new powerplant, and the ergonomics are all great ideas and well executed. In my mind, this design is miles ahead of Yamaha, who are still using the same steel-tube cargo rack design that they have since the 1980's, and is somehow still less pricey. Everyone has their personal preference, and I intend no hate, this is just my viewpoint.
BRP is dominating the atv and snowmobile market
Absolutely love the new Gen 3 platform. I just slapped on 29x10 trail tires with no trimming and no rubbing. Rides great, 14 inches ground clearance now. Awesome machine. I just ordered the 2025 850 base. Can't wait! Great review.
Good comprehensive overview. It's a very nice looking machine and appears to be quite practical. Can Am put a lot of thought into it.
Really like this ATV and enjoyed the time I got with it on the trails this past season.
It's an awesome machine but, the fact that it weighs damn near the same as my 22 Sportsman 1000 S is kinda crazy considering the size difference. Always good to see new things in the industry though.
The HD7 is a full sized quad. It makes my buddy’s Polaris 850 look small.
Regardless of being a bit of a Can-Am fan boy, there's no doubt that this was a good move on their part. I love Yamaha but they've been officially beaten.
Can am is the best atv on the market hands down
i m a Yamaha guy but this would be my second choice
Check out our compare of these two ATVs and let us know if you agree with our comments!
I have a 700 Grizz and bought this last year. My son rides the Grizz now so we can compare them on every ride. This is better. Better ride, handling, power, etc. And it has way more features. Yamaha needs to do something...anything at this point.
Dirt Trax claimed in this video that the wet weight of the Outlander is around 1,000 lbs. The Grizzly’s wet weight is 701 lbs per Yamaha website. 300 lbs is a huge difference. How does this translate to actual ride feel?
Most of those options should come standard with the hunting edition atv. Just my opinion!
Great review AJ, you guys added some handy accessories, i really like the chain saw holder, as i dont go many places without my husqvarna! I was a little surprised on how smooth you said it was, as i have a 2022 defender HD7, and its a nice engine but definitely not as smooth as my brother's HD10. I recently sat on one of these at a local dealership and couldn't believe how huge these machines are getting! My 2003 Honda rincon 650 seems like a toy compared to this one. Would you take this machine over a 650 v twin Outlander if they still made it? My son has a 2007 renegade 800 and that v twin sounds and performs so nice!
Lots to unpack here! First, LOVE the Defender HD10 and the additional power for a vehicle that size does help quite a bit. Second, YES! The Rincon hasn't changed much in the past decade. I think if Honda ever does an overhaul of this ATV they'll move to the larger bodywork as their flagship ATV. Third, this is the toughest question. Absolutely LOVE the 650 V-twin and think it might be the best engine in Can-Am's lineup. Loads of power on-tap and that ATV runs great in the trails. That said, there's a big jump in price from the HD7 to the 650 V-Twin. For the money, the value lies with the HD7.
@@dirttraxtv On the matter of the 650, their best move would be to offer both imo. Bring back the 650, even if it's just in the XT or DPS trim only, and make everyone happy. It's not like the 650 is gone, it's still in the lower-end Renegades, so it baffles me why they stopped putting it in Outlanders in the first place. The only reason I can think of is to put more emphasis on the 5/700's.
How much rougher riding is the HD7 over the normal 700 outlander? Is there a big difference given the hd7 is geared towards work?
The HD7 Pro rides really nice. Haven't spent enough time on the regular HD7 to be able to accurately compare
Can the scabbard mount front facing and downward angle like most all other scabbards do?
Will confirm!
@@dirttraxtv awesome, appreciated
Nice bike but why no handle bar light. Many quads in this price range has one
I actually purchased this machine because it did not have one. Like AJ, I have my hunting rifle on a rack in front of the bars and the light would just reflect off that becoming distracting. I did mount a powerful LED pod to my bars using a RAM mount and that shines over the top but I can switch that off at will.
@@Dusdaddy i don’t get the hype on the handle bar headlights. Like you can either have high beams or use your front rack. I like the can am better.
@@MrTurboCowboy I thought I wanted a light that would follow my handlebars but one night with my front rack loaded up changed my mind real quick.
Curious if adding the snorkel kit prevents adding the chainsaw mount
No, it does not. Air intake is farther back. Actually, this model already has a very high intake. A snorkel will not add much. Maybe a taller aftermarket one would be worth it.
@@Dusdaddy I'm not looking to do any crazy mud. I've mentioned this before, here in Nova Scotia, we have most every terrain, and many trails will get deep with a good days rain.
I'd love to see every ATV maker get the intakes and CVT up high just for peace of mind.
Curious too, is the CVT exhaust low? Or is that part of the snorkelling kit?
@@EC_ATV_OutdoorsThen a snorkel wouldn't be needed. All intakes are above the level of that storage box and the front rack. To flood this bike, your handlebars will get wet.
@@Dusdaddy good to know, thanks
@@Dusdaddyjust watched a video of a guy adding the snorkel kit. No idea if it blocks the saw mount. And I don't want a rad relocate.
But in his video, the CVT intake is at knee level, so I'd have to assume the exhaust isn't high up either.
Maybe the engine is high up, but that CVT is going to drown quickly where I ride after a good rain.
And again, I'm not doing crazy stuff, but it looks to me like the CVT intake might be lower than a Polaris. But Polaris has the wort designed CVT exhaust. They often have no U to even mildly prevent splashes from going in the exhaust end.
My 2020 XP1000 is way more comfortable to me than a friend’s can am xtp. Polaris has a much more narrow leg area, taller bars, you just sit lower, seat is way more plush. Just depends on what fits you. You will pay much more for a can am. I think can am is great too, maybe buy one someday.
Things you don’t need but pay for. Speed control, downhill braking control not needed the engine braking works fine. It’s made for a farm
How do you find the weight difference? Grizzly dry weight is 600lbs the can am is 934lbs, both similar in horse power.
you have a point there!
You don't necessarily feel the weight difference in these two machines. Would like to put both machines on the scale and compare wet weights.
I have this exact machine and a 700 Grizzly as well. I have modded the Grizz with 27" tires, winch, lights, glide plate, and front bag. Fully fueled, with recovery gear stowed, both machines weigh within ten pounds of each other. The Grizz at 930lbs and the PRO at 935lbs.
@@Dusdaddy can am is much heavier. Definitely can feel it riding
@@chrish8229 If only that was true. The weights I listed are actual, not from a Google search.
What size is the trunk on there so many different ones
I am interested in buying a new Outlander but I have been looking at the DPS 700. I see most of the reviews are on the pro models and those are geared towards work. I know the suspension is stiffer on the pro. Do you have any feedback on the non pro version? My main concern is body roll. I saw another one of your vieos said the Outlander did not have the same body roll as the Grizzly but the Outlander you had was the Pro. Does anyone know what I should expect from the non pro model?
Great question. We've had time on this unit and the XMR, but not the base 700
Get a 700xt
Maybe having AJ say that about this machine will light a fire under Yamaha's ass .
Personally I would rather the grizzly xtr because it has less electrical choices because it does everything really well with one drive mode , one power steering mode but ppl now days want buttons and switches and choices .
Ppl also want thier pay cheque to go further.
A long in the tooth grizzly is bound to need a dentist sooner or later
Now they just need to make this in the MAX chassis so you can ride 2-up.
The Pro lineup doesn't have any max models, but the DPS 500/700 and the XT 700 both have 2-up variants, and the only difference is they're less work-tuned and more focused on the trail
2025 pro max is now a thing
You forgot to mention the front locking differential.
Is there a difference in motors from 700 and hd7?
Pretty sure this is based off the HD7 engine. The 700 is available in either 40 or 50 hp versions. Same engine, just mapped differently.
I don’t know anyone that can afford all those accessories like seriously you’ve got $5000 of crap on that thing
That rear trunk is $799 Canadian.....
Its literally a plastic box!
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Anyone pull elk or moose with this can am?
I dont understand why anyone would buy one of these. If I'm buying a can am or Polaris, I'm getting it for the fun factor of the big power 1000. If I'm going to drop down to a 700 then I'll be looking at reliability and durability, in that case yamaha and suzuki win hands down.
Value
What would you get for work?
@@Zanderthelab a Suzuki King Quad 750 or yamaha Kodiak 700.
Canam not advertising speed control properly. It is really a cruise control. Rest your thumb on long easy trails
Far out
Speed limiter is good for idiot employees and teenagers 😉
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Good idea, but it's not lockable so the driver could change it at any time. Plus, Can-AM only gives out one key now.
@@Dusdaddy yeah, the one key is BS. And in this scenario, they added the throttle limiter for this purpose. So a complete failure imho.
They should just include a 2nd key then if an employee could bypass it. But for a teens use, I assume you wouldn't send them out with friends without you. So the chance of a teen bypassing is slim for me. It's the employee I'd be worried about. But I'm not sure how many jobs involve bad employees and ATVs either lol
@@EC_ATV_Outdoors They did not add the limiter for that reason at all. They added it purely for what AJ described......to run a fertilizer or seed spreader. I have used it on some trails just to see if it was easier than constantly modulating my thumb but it was pretty much worthless. Haven't used it since.
I use speed limiter for grooming trail and for tow the roping dummy for my wife training with the horse
look the suspensionj noise clunker noise maker turd wonder when thier gonna figure out the mystery suspension noise in the rear that everyone bitches about in ever forum or atv group or atv riding park