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The phrasing of "A German Shepherd out of Georgia" is randomly funny to me because I imagine a German Shepherd driving up from Georgia by himself to help out.
That made me tear up. When my mom went missing for a time before we knew it wasn’t an accident, we brought her clothes and perfume to the police hoping the bloodhounds could use it to smell her. It rained and they never did. We did end up finding her body in the river without the dogs.
That feeling of something being in the woods that’s watching/hunting you is a real feeling. Some part of our lizard brain that senses being watched. Wether or not it’s a real threat or a perceived threat, it’s still one hell of a feeling and explains why someone would go off trail.
I have an ancestor who was diagnosed with 'religious paranoia' in 1948. He was essentially suffering from a form of schizophrenia. Hearing the voices of angels and seeing signs from the heavens.
@@____K_____989it’s just far more common in religion believers since being someone who believes a book is an end all be all word of god (even though it’s been edited and stories removed or added throughout the centuries by people)
@@____K_____989 no. Non believers don't run around every channel on RUclips spouting paragraphs of lord of the rings, telling the world it's in the book so it's absolutely true, and if you don't believe it you're a wrong, stupid, heathen, whilst spewing all this in horrific grammar, as seems to be a chronic condition of the "woowoo christians" we find so often online.
I’m a pretty experienced hiker and hike often. there’s a weird phenomenon that happens from time to time when you’re hiking alone, tired just get kinda leery vibes and a bit paranoid. Usually for me it has to do with mountain lions or bears not people trying to get me. I’ve never decided to hop off the trail or anything extreme. But I don’t think she did this intentionally. When you’re just in your own mind and there’s no distractions, you can get a bit spooked.
Strictly speaking, we don't own our mind; its wandering left and right when returning to this forest experience (that must have shaped our amygdala and hypothalamus over much of our phylogenesis) ain't all that surprising. The mind is like a monkey, say the Buddhists; you take that monkey (back) into the woods where it grew up and you're lucky if it comes back at all...
I am so glad I live in a country with no deadly insects, animals etc on bush hikes. Just feral deer, pigs, possums, goats...But, I can relate to getting that weird feeling in certain places or times.
I absolutely agree. It doesn’t matter how much knowledge or experience a person has, that unwelcome and intrusive fear can worm its way into your head regardless. Your senses become heightened and raw, your awareness increases and even though you try to rationalize before you know it you’re flinching at shadows, especially when alone for extended periods. On occasion this unwarranted fear can grasp you even when in your own backyard on a dark and quiet night. I find it totally believable, that an otherwise sensible person who had been hiking alone in an unfamiliar area for days, who then began hearing numerous nearby ambiguous noises like radio chatter, footsteps, vehicles, etcetera could eventually be consumed by fight or flight instincts. Speaking of which, I honestly believe this is why we have these responses in otherwise safe and normal situations. The fear typically comes for you in the darkness, when in nature, and when alone. I wonder if it’s just a residual response from a time in human history when we huddled in caves terrified of the night and its many predators. To this day, in the interest of self preservation your body and mind choose for you. If some part of your subconscious determines that certain sensory data and observations warrants action it will overwhelm your rational mind with the urge to run.
Temporary psychosis is most likely the answer. She heard some stuff in the woods, and immediately her brain went into fight or flight mode due to an unseen perceived threat. Its the same reason people hear voices in the woods, or see ghosts.
My thoughts exactly. I've been out in the woods around here at night many times, it's such a deep darkness, heavy. It feels not haunted but energetic? I found myself in a clearing that dipped down full of pine needles. The fear I felt stepping in that thing! I could see myself going mad so easy out there.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. I know someone like this. Strong, independent person who thought they knew what they are doing because their bad decisions hadn't caught up to them yet.
There have been several cases of people who get hopelessly lost deep in a forest, and when they come across a powerline (like what you see going up and down the shaved parts of a hill), they set the wooden posts on fire. The fire knocks out the electricity, one way or another, and the person just waits until the utility crew shows up to repair the damage. However, this has led to fines that exceed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
But why... Powerlines go over land that you can walk on. It goes from a power generator where there are people to civilization where there are people. And most larger towers are made out of metal to my knowledge to hold the weight of the cables. Something is off
About halfway through I realised I’ve heard this one before. I’ve always figured the men behind her probably were talking about her and she left the trail to either avoid them or wait till they passed her. It’s never an overreaction when you’re a woman by yourself in the middle of nowhere and there’s men following you. Maybe she got lost, didn’t have enough water, got a tad delusional and hallucinated the men followed her into the woods. When the search parties eventually showed up, she mistook them for the men who had come back. She let her fear get the best of her and it’s just lucky it had a happy outcome. ETA: the workers probably were talking about her. Men are prone to saying crude things about women among themselves, even if they don’t mean it.
It’s absolutely an overreaction. Women can be very stupid, thinking everything is about them and/or that all men are predators. If that’s your idiotic opinion of men then you deserve to get lost for a little while.
@@johnvaughan8239Even completely ignoring the fact that being conventionally attractive isn’t ACTUALLY a prerequisite for being menaced by a stranger, what a rude thing to say
My uncle lives near lake joccassee, I grew up hiking and hunting that area. It's one of the most beautiful places on earth but those mountains are unforgiving
@@thomascampbell2128 It really is. I took it for granted growing up but now having been across the country and across the world, it's definitely among the most beautiful places on earth
I do think she heard the workers at first, and from then on things just escalated in her head. It's terrifying when you think you have to run for your life. I've been in a scary situation like that, and I wasn't even half as far from visible civilization signs as she was. I had my dog with me, we were walking on a trail and ran into a couple construction workers who made a derogatory comment about my body. I ran as fast as I could after that, my dog right beside me, and I could swear the men were chasing me. They were not. But in the middle of the woods, no buildings around, only a dirt road under your feet, panic can grow as fast as wildfire on a field in the summer. I'm glad she was found and was physically ok. As Aidan said, we will never know for sure what happened to her. I hope she healed as well as possible from that ordeal, mentally speaking. God knows I am still terrified after my own panicked run through the woods, and couldn't bring myself to get back there since it happened. It's been 5 years.
Sometimes something doesn't have to happen, for something to have happened. Yep. All things we have to process. It's curious cause it's never a universal thing.
@@ingridn0gI mean she did think she was good enough to take off on her own, completely ignoring warnings in this instance and in other situations such as running at night.
@@scarletwitch7198so ig if u get beat up one day by dudes who are bigger and stronger than you then it’s ur fault for being arrogant enough to go outside huh
As someone who heard a man saying threats behind me (in the city) and had men follow me for blocks it could absolutely be true that she heard some guy yell something threatening to her and just took off
Panic In The Woods is a phenomenon the sudden onset seemingly uncaused irrational sense of imminent danger, leading them to flee the area. Most often the assumption of being hunted by an unseen person pe predator the woods, resulting in most running blindly into the woods and becoming lost., People have also described experiencing a sudden silence so severe that it is almost deafening that's likely another symptom of fear. . There have also been reports of people feeling a dark presence that had lingered around them until they managed to escape back to civilization. This could be due to a buried part of our psyche that derives from a time when being alone and exposed in such a way (especially at night) meant that we were vulnerable to predators. Or it could be a simple psychological consequence of straying away from familiar terrain.
I get this so easily in the woods. Like it's embarrassing how easily. That's why I take my angry little dog with me. If he's not angry, I have no reason to fear lol.
It’s not impossible, probably not even improbable that a primate species similar to gorillas or orangutans could exist in the wilderness areas of North America. Do they exist? Probably. Are they responsible for all the missing 411 cases? Almost certainly not. Could they be responsible for a select few cases? Probably.
I'm still convinced this woman could have simply had a mental break. She could have truly believed that she was being chased, which led her to do all the things someone would do if they were actually being chased. That doesn't mean that there is anyone there. Those 2 things can be true at the same time. She honestly believes her life was in danger and she was being chased, and there was never anyone chasing her in the first place.
I think it's also extremely possible that she may have been followed for a while. Maybe she even lost him/them once she went off trail. Then she mistook searchers/workers for the initial person following her. I think the comment about dogs, boats, and helicopters definitely points to her unintentionally hiding from rescue. I can definitely see how if you're already scared, you can convince yourself of some pretty outlandish things.
@@hopelessromantic3786 I see what you are saying. I guess my point would be that the human brain is an amazing thing and we can get ourselves into that state of fear with nothing more than what's in our head. Our own paranoia or insecurities. Then you start hearing all the searchers and stuff which validates your concerns(wether they were valid or not). But maybe you are right. Some weirdo followed her for an hour or something, got tired, and turned back. But she kept running because she could hear all the searching activity.
@@Brianfailedgot2keepontruckinI absolutely think your theory is possible. Brains definitely do kooky things sometimes, especially when you're alone in an unfamiliar environment. The main reason I think maybe it really was a person following her is because I would think she'd be somewhat used to the sounds of workers if she'd done other parts of the trails, and it always just makes a bit more sense to me when there's a catalyst. But weirder things have definitely happened than someone getting freaked out in the woods.
Put me down for her actually being chased on the first day, with everything after that being paranoia. Nothing kills your sense of reason like knowing someone is actually out to get you.
I'm right there with you on David and Missing 411; he definitely wants to believe there is something woo-woo about these disappearances. And he wants us to believe it, too.
While there are some that just make no sense, I agree here as well, the majority of Missing 411 cases are rather easy to figure out or have been solved in time since the original publication.
Are you having a mental lapse. There is absolutely something going on with these disappearances more than something mundane. The National Parks service has repeatedly tried to sweep as much as possible under the rug.
I swear to God. Hearing people talk about places having "nice weather" just because it's sunny makes me irate. No. 100+ degree weather is not nice weather. Be glad you have seasons. Shoveling snow off your driveway for a month beats non-stop sweating, being nauseous, and having to change your sheets every other day for 10 months out of the year.
Yall really are built different in the south. I'm in the PNW and if it's 90 outside, I'm calling out sick and sucking off my ac unit.
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I think this story is exactly as she said. I do feel she was spooked by something that gave her a deep terrified feeling that never had the chance to subside. Whether it been an animal she heard, but wasn't sure what it was or associated a sound at night that really scared her with hunters she heard soon after. When you are scared, you are hyper alert to everything around you and your mind can exacerbate your fear til it grows and grows to utter terror, justified or not. I think sh honestly felt terrified and responded accordingly in the moment and that put her in the position of getting lost.
Being alone in the woods can be a strong thing. Not sure if this was her first hike a lone or if being alone in the wilderness in a strange place, but sometimes the brain overrides reason for better or worse.
Alot of people don't know, there's: ~❤nature❤~ And NATURE. Your local hiking trails are cute, but once you hit the real forest, it gets real, real fast. I stopped midway through a hike once, looked around me and said "Yap, nope, we didn't bring bear mace, rations, or proper shoes, we're goin back. This is actually the woods, and we might as well be legless turkeys."
Ngl I had a European friend ask me once why the US allows such rampant ownership of guns. And then I sent him ONE photo of the woods near me at night, yknow the first person photo, looking into the woods, lit by a flashlight, that illuminates the forest floor for like.. 10ft and then it's a wall of inky darkness that looks almost like you put up construction paper it's so thick. Yeah he looked once at that photo and said "I now get why you all own so many guns" and then I proceeded to inform him, because this is true, "I'd love to say they help but they really still dont" Like I'm a 6' 4" guy, I'm supposed to be the one people are scared of cause I'm tall as shit and broad as hell, and even with a pistol AND a shotgun I WILL NOT just trek into the woods at night, absolutely not
If you're going to threaten to unsub, at least give the actual reason and don't embellish the story. Like Aiden said, he told us to drink them. You didn't have to twist his words. 😂😅😊 Of course you were just playing, though. This channel is too good to unsub for petty reasons!
Or holp as the past tense of help in W. Virginia. Or hold with as a synonym of believe, feel about, think about. "How do ye hold with rockets now, son?" That was a Chuck Yeagerism to one of the Apollo astronauts that I always thought super funny. Random moment of appreciation for what a fewking yotta-Chad ole Chuck was: the W. Virginia up-hollow boy who took off his overalls, put on his Army Air Force uniform, and lit up the skies over Europe. He became an Ace in 1 single day of fighting in WW2, shooting down 5 German planes in a single encounter. He was, iirc, 20 years old. End random moment of Chuck Yeager appreciation.
@@datakrasher lmao! as a New Jersey family freshly moved to western PA, "yin's guys" was surprisingly familiar cause we already said "youse guys." Everything else about the dialect took some getting used to tho
@@TheHarryLizardd "All y'all's" And who could forget the timeless crowd pleaser, "well bless your/his/her heart" Edit: for those out of the loop, if someone from Texas tells you "bless your heart," take a second and check your place in this life right quick because they're passive-aggressively calling you a reDACTED. Unless you're in church, of course. Maybe.
I'm a hardcore atheist but I NEVER assume anyone who is religious is automatically prone to delusions! I'm a biochemist & I've known plenty of scientists who also have faith & are completely rational. Just because someone believes in a higher power doesn't mean they aren't intelligent & very rational.
@@minecraftfox4384 Am religious myself. However am more a, relaxed type. I do not preach hellfire. I do not judge. I do not care what others do with their life. And I do believe in evolution.
But on the other hand, it’s reasonable to say that someone who believes some old bloke with a beard created the world in a week is delusional and irrational.
Whether it was paranoia or real, Eloise felt like she was danger. She was a woman alone in the woods. That alone meant she was in danger. Glad she got out safe, and I hope she's doing well wherever she is.
Lol wut, that alone does not mean she was in danger. Please say you're only being sarcastic?. Heaven forbid any outdoor working female ever have to work by them self. 😮😮😮
I mean, there is a certain degree of danger being a *person* alone in the woods (off trail, without adequate food and protection from the elements). Just like there’s a certain amount of danger being a *person* alone in the city. They are just different kinds of danger. 🤷🏻♀️
@@dalstephen3834 Like it or not, it is dangerous for *anybody* to be out in the wilderness by themselves. And sadly, this danger is only amplified for lone women.
@@dim4757 I disagree, there is a degree of inherent danger with anything, however it is not any more or less dangerous being by oneself in the wilderness . Only risk.
I look up some of the cases and that person leaves out facts and adds some that are NOT in newspaper articles of the day. Don't the people listening to those videos every ressearch themselves? I guess not. in fact, I found a logical explanation to MANY of these cases and weird behavior-a scientific esxplanation and I have explained it in detail in my comments and he absoultely IGNORES it- and he says he reads all the comments. Well, see the $$$ flow would diminish fi those logical villagers would read what i found as a probbale explanation besides bears, mountian lions, etc.... those watching dont't respond to my factual cause of the disappearances either and this scientific explanation can ffect, children, men, women, young or old. N OW: if someone was genuinely concerned about WHY they were disappearing, wouldn't that person respondto what I have found? Or comment???? Hmmmmmm....so ridiculous Like the time a nice person did a portrait of ________--, he insulted it and then took off that episode because people left comments regarding his rudeness.
Hey Larry, bud. I'd just like to let you know, no hate or anything, that maybe they have read your conclusion and they just have a hard time understanding it.
Today as I was riding a public bus, I was watching lore lodge and a guy getting off tapped me on the shoulder and said: “lore lodge is some good stuff.”
I have had my own moments of paranoia or actually feeling fear in the woods, i still did not leave the trail! The scariest time was me and my partner walking a trail up deep in the pnw and i just smelled something like pee, rotten onions, and skunk mixed together. I felt this immediate primal fear, turned around, grabbed my bf by the arm, and jogged about 2 miles back to our car with him. I didnt say anything but "we gotta go." My brain was going crazy with thoughts of bears, mt lions, bigfoots too tbh. That smell was like a den/marking spot for a mt lion fresh, or a bigfoot. I havent been back there.
@@meghaffer i think the only thing that really could have pushed me off trail was IF something truly was chasing me off!! Its possible she panicked and thought she heard something but that wouldnt make her go off trail in my own opinion, it has be either there WAS something there or she had a full visual and audio hallucination. The only way you go off is if you do think something is there.
Really cool/sad to hear a story that I’ve never heard of that took place on a mountain that is literally 15 minutes away from me, appreciate the content as always though big chief.
1) I would love a David P. segment in each relevant video! You make everything seem so much more rational. I'd really like a less biased presentation of the facts than David probably shows us. Bigfoot is always fun, just not the answer to everything. 2) History Hut?! Yesss! 3) Please keep doing videos about Sasquatch and other cryptids! ❤
I agree on Paulides. There are understandable limitations to a policeman's education; to see him barge into metaphysics as if it were a clandestine brothel makes me sad. There are other, subtler things that defy understanding, not just Sasquatch and UFOs.
If I was already feeling uneasy, once I came across donuts in a tree, that would freak me out even more. I would think that someone was nearby watching and waiting.
@@mickeyphillips6603 It's not hard to feel that way around here I've hunted where she was for over 20 years and you feel like something is about to get you half the time especially at night!
29:45 Paulides would find bigfoot in an account of trip to the corner store. "Are you sure that fellow with a big beard in aisle 4 was a fellow, or...."
My close friend developed it at 24. Never drank or drugged and just one day had a break from reality and is a totally different person now unfortunately.
Correction: schizophrenia *usually* starts developing in someone’s 20s/30s, but it’s very much possible to have early onset schizophrenia in your teens. I should know, I was diagnosed at 16.
@@PatriciaCook-p1j I tried doing a search about her, but I can't find anything other than articles from 1989 and RUclips videos about the articles from 1989.
I used to go hiking alone with my dog (NEVER without my dog), always early in the morning, because it was less likely I'd run into people, the weather would be milder in the morning during summer, and wildlife would be out. Usually I'd see 1-3 people also solo hiking on the trail, but one morning there was a small group of men, and as a woman hiking alone, it did make me anxious. When I set off, there were several trail options starting from the same spot, and the men started up a ways behind me. I hiked as fast as I could and took a sudden turn onto a different trail instead of staying on the straightforward one, so I would be out of sight quickly. If this happened without that option, maybe I would’ve gone off-trail too. I'd take my chances in the woods since I have off-trail experience in the woods, over even a chance of being targeted by a group of men.
@greywolf7577 And I'm someone who recognizes that as well. I will and have defended men in conversation with friends who were being unfair/hypocritical. But part of the subconscious reasoning is the type of possible incident- as someone with a lot of hiking and camping experience, it is less fear-inducing to be at a *higher* risk of dealing with a *familiar* scary situation than to be at a *lower* risk of a body and personhood violting scary situation. It's picking a higher probability of a "less" traumatizing situation in which we feel we have more control, instead of a lower probability of an unfathomably traumatizing situation where we lose all control.
No matter how long you have been trekking the wilderness, or how much compressed experience you have in a given time frame, the sudden random realization of how insignificant you are in comparison to the wilds and/or the vast universe, it can flip anyone out. This can come on at any time and age. Some people flip out and never come back to center, or even reappear, they run wild with fear and go forever missing.
I don’t think your theory about her making the story up because she felt bad about all of the money they spent on the search for her is correct. That’s an interesting take but as a woman it’s not hard to believe that she became paranoid in the woods on her own in freezing cold temperatures, and likely little food or sleep. I think she just went into survival mode and the harsh conditions took a toll on her psyche and led to poor decision making as given in her account. 27:17
For the flannel, if she didn't have it before or wasn't given it, she could've found it out on the trail/ in the woods at some point. either in a shelter or even the jeep she stayed in, of course, that depends on the state of the jacket and jeep. If she met a man out in the woods on accident she would've mentioned it, if on purpose she probably would've ditched the flannel at some point. I think the guy who found her is the most likely option
Aiden using the AG1 add to show off his big guns! Amazing video as always. I really appreciate how informative and well researched your topics are. Thanks for putting in so much time and work so we can watch along and learn about these cases.
Ive exerienced paranoid delusions before as part of a temporary mental health episode. Im also a young woman who likes to go on late night walks in the city, I rarely get frightened and I generally feel very grounded and secure. You dont have to be the 'type,' you just have to be unmoored from reality temporarily for whatever reason.
Yes do a segment on the 411 opinion every time. It brings everything into perspective even more, showing what people are conditioned to believe because they are more invested in a person's opinion than facts of a case.
The one who presents a case operates a selection and places the emphasis in ways that remain not easily verifiable/falsifiable for the casuallistener. Hence, the power unawares handed over to the storyteller. This said, there's a number of baffling cases out there and I'm not among the zealotry of positivism.
Yeah one fun fact David never mentions about the national parks service is that it makes nearly $50 billion annually. So of course they don't advertise the deaths that occur, it would be bad for business. It's a business, run by the government, a multi billion dollar business. The only conspiracy going on with it is not wanting bad publicity to hurt revenue.
Top notch research and sound logic are why this and The Missing Enigma are my favorite channels. Yes, please please include your takes on Paulides's bigfoot/portal implications wherever possible. Much appreciate all the hard work and time your team and you put into these videos...Cheers!
Keep doing the segments about David Pollidus and the way he's seeing these cases. I believe in situations like the majority of these cases it's good to both hear about convlusions on the supernatural and natural spectrum, even if it's a bit silly sometimes. Also thank again for another interesting and overall entertaining video, can't wait for more missing 411 cluster content, it's a brilliant idea for content🖤🔥
The more and more you cover these cases, the less mysterious most of them become. Though I do want you to revisit Garrit Bradsley because that one is still mysterious
Interesting but.....I don't know. Nothing we learned about her made me think she would try wild camping off of a trail she hasn't even completed properly before. She comes across as stubborn and adventurous, not arrogant enough to try that. What I always assumed was her first encounter, workers or not, was real and scared her off of the trail. Everything after that was a spiral of paranoia and mistakes.
I'm a BSA Eagle Scout and the first thing I learned in Scouts was to S.T.O.P. as in: Stop Think Observe Plan If ever lost. A lot of people don't do this and get lost. Also, have multiple phone map options, GPS options, paper maps, compass, an overnight supply kit just in case...........
When I was in high school I worked at a summer camp surrounded by state forest. A bunch of the counselors were from the city. They were perfectly sane people. Until they left camp to walk a trail. They had the worst fears of being killed by serial killers or bears. This was within less than a mile of camp. So even though Eloise was usually of sound mind and had experience in the woods, going outside of her usual comfort zone could have sparked irrational fears sending her way off trail. Then getting back to her family or her back in touch with reality. Or maybe she went for a secret trip she didn't want her family to know about and lied about it. Also Bigfoot
This channels been covering a lot of cases from my area lately and it’s making me wonder if I’m gonna find something I don’t wanna find while hiking. Like how many times I’ve been hiking near the border of NC and gotten weird sensations, makes me wonder if I should’ve paid more attention at those spots
I can't remember which episode it is that he tells us not to cause more Missing 411 cases, but he HAS told us. You're not allowed to go missing, it's just more work for him. Especially do not go missing north of Houston, because then you'd be making more work for me as well.
I really enjoy the you are going over some of the David Paulides videos. I also find your research beyond reproach. I pretty much quit watching them because i did not think bigfoot was the answer for all the missing people. Thank you for all you do to get to the truth!
Lone woman in the woods is afraid of unknown men. Spends days living off basically nothing in her fear. Obviously she’s just crazy, no other possible explanation for it, right? She’s just the first woman to choose the bear.
if there really were men chasing/stalking her, what happened to her in the woods would have been far preferable to what those men could have done if they caught her. she didnt choose anything, she was just afraid, and this kind of outlook is disgusting.
@@alexd8092 yes my friend. Welcome to the world of sarcasm. This was entirely my point, that’s it’s ridiculous to just assume she was making everything up or “just paranoid.”
@@angiadcock8196 ah, my bad haha. from the last sentance- "she's just the first woman to choose the bear" made me think your point was that more women would "choose the bear" and get lost in the woods and that it would be their fault
@@alexd8092 Ok, I guess I can get there with that interpretation, maybe… But what I was trying to say is that she “chose the bear” knowing how dangerous it was for a lone woman to encounter unknown men in the wilderness and that it made perfect sense for her to do so. My point was more so aimed at all these men who think women picking the bear is a new phenomenon as if women haven’t always had a reason to fear men. This is probably a more literal example of the hypothetical choice than any woman hopes they ever have to face. But she still chose unimaginable difficulty and hardship in fear. So all the men saying we wouldn’t actually pick the bear in a real life circumstance underestimate how afraid women are.
Aiden, you are the absolute best drink Shaker I have ever witnessed in my life. The combination of shaker-ness and shake-ability confidence and what, with that thousand-yard deadeye stare is second to none, and I will never forget it. Thank you
The power workers might have been talking about her, and a few could have followed or chased her off. We take for granted how much more decent blue-collar workers are in the 2000s. Women being assulted by blue-collar workers either verbally or sexually was really common. Especially right after the Vietnam War. It's almost comparable to oil rig workers and violence against Native American Women going on right now.
I never knew what the pound cake thing was about. I thought it was a certain sign of the poor lady being off her trolley! But now I know about them being bait for bears it looks a lot different. It turns out you can find pound cake in trees in a rational, if strange, world.
@@maddiegrace9787 Ask an experienced LDT hiker. Poundcake is an emergency supply cache, food, placed by other hikers, for those that need it in an emergency.
I grew up ,here.* It's a pretty wild place. Lots of beauty; a fair bit of danger. The trails are safe as any, but it ,is, a WILD place. A person who is distracted or inattentive may come to trouble. *Staring up at Table Rock.
I liked the new logo you came out with but I am so happy you kept the OG logo. To me there is something perfect about it. I wear my "Lift Lodge" hoodie very frequently and people ask about where I got it and when I explain the YT channel they assume its some conspiracy nut even when I say "he covers tons of true crime and does FBI level research" 😂 Keep it up boys, great vid as per usual 👍🏼
Obviously there are some weird things in this story but it's easy to second guess from a warm, safe room far removed from fear and doubt. Why are so many people reluctant to believe a woman alone in the woods heard men nearby, thought they were talking about her and became afraid so she tried to avoid them then got lost and stayed lost because she thought they were after her but at the same time will believe a 6' 4“ 260lb armed police officer was afraid for his life when he saw a 5'9" unarmed kid so he shot him from 10 feet away? One must be crazy, the other is a hero who's lucky to be alive.
24:28 Okay im about to go watch the Evangeline whatever video like youre suggesting, but before i go do that, i just want to say that if i was a first responder in this situation, i would have been so frustrated at the woman in this video.
Les Stroud has of course done many things about staying warm and in one episode of survivorman he did stay warm in cold conditions in the pacific northwest in a pile of leaves. If you pile enough leaves up and you get yourself into the center of that pile of leaves will keep you very warm by itself without a blanket. Also if the flannel was made out of wool even if it were wet wool retains most of its insulative properties. So if she stayed in a wool shirt in a pile of leaves even without a fire she could very well have been warmer than people think she would have been
That's great and all, but a survivalist finding out that works in the last decade or so doesn't mean some random college student would even think to try that in the late 80s when none of the "experts" trying to explain how she kept warm didn't even consider that as an explanation. Plus we don't know when she got the flanel and it wouldn't help much when it's just a jacket and can't cover that much of a body, plus it doesn't matter as a flannel doesn't have enough thickness to actually insulate the same way a lump of wool would.
It's makes a ton of sense to me...... If. You know I here this all the time about people's character. There are things in this world that drastically change people and their character. One of those things is recreational drugs. Often very straight edge people think in the woods is a good place to experiment with such things.
A quick science note on those AG1 stats: getting super high doses (like 400% of the daily recommendation) of a vitamin like vitamin C is a speedrunners path to kidney stones. A whole bunch is a good thing can be a real bad thing unfortunately!
Women's calorie needs are different than men. Women burn far less calories when moving and conserve fat when resting. Even if it was cold, she didn't need as much food as a man of the same weight. There was a family of women in the Donner party that didn't resort to cannibalism and all of them lived.
that doesn’t clear everything up though. It could have meant that she needed somewhat less food than a male hiker but women can and do freeze to death on the trail, especially in conditions similar to the ones described (20F at night with minimal shelter)
You should 100% do a "This was Paulides' take on the case" at the end of each of these videos. If you're examining cases from his reporting clusters, you should probably mention something about why these cases were included in the cluster, unless the clusters are every case from that region and not the ones Paulides explicitly thought were suspect.
31:53 correction, most native tribes actually see bigfoot as a spirit in the same way as a healer or guiding spirit, in a lot of different cultures its a holder of medicines
Live in Pickens, work in Oconee and do SAR out here in both. It's nice to hear one of the local stories and one where I know most of the names involved. If you want an unsolved case, maybe look into Jason Knapp, or maybe a rash of disappearances in Oconee in 2019. Keep up the good work!
The amount of time I went hiking alone around Oregon and Colorado chills my soul now. I've seen, heard, and experienced enough since I doubt I will do that again.
I don't think somebody has to be mentally ill/have a psychotic break to scare themselves into acting strangely. When you're completely alone, in a strange new place that you're already aware has certain dangers to it (ie. bears), the brain can trigger a fear response due to any random thing. Just imagine, you're completely alone deep in the woods, probably a bit tired from hiking for so long, and you hear voices floating toward you from down the path that are describing you/talking about you... That's freaky!! I wouldn't blame Eloise for getting into her head about it, and tbh I think it's usually better to err on the side of your survival instincts, so whether she was being followed or not, she made a choice that was logical for what she believed the situation to be. I'm glad she got out alive, I have to imagine surviving in the wild like that takes a lot of grit and resourcefulness
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*_Slugs have four noses._*
Would you consider doing a video on “The Jennings 8”?
Read this while subconsciously doing the same thing
can I snort the veggie powder, yes or yes
@@murph64 👌🏻
The phrasing of "A German Shepherd out of Georgia" is randomly funny to me because I imagine a German Shepherd driving up from Georgia by himself to help out.
With a little trucker hat that says "Georgia-Peach State" with little holes for his ears🥹
🤣
This is german shepherd behavior
Her parents bringing her pillowcase in the hopes the dogs could get her scent and find her was devastatingly sorrowful.
That made me tear up. When my mom went missing for a time before we knew it wasn’t an accident, we brought her clothes and perfume to the police hoping the bloodhounds could use it to smell her. It rained and they never did. We did end up finding her body in the river without the dogs.
@@TonyTheCarrotwhat happened to her?
@@TonyTheCarrot I'm so sorry for your loss. That is devastating.
@@TonyTheCarrotI’m so sorry for your loss
@@cha6328su lil nga
That feeling of something being in the woods that’s watching/hunting you is a real feeling. Some part of our lizard brain that senses being watched. Wether or not it’s a real threat or a perceived threat, it’s still one hell of a feeling and explains why someone would go off trail.
Id argue there is no real difference at that point. Gotta do the best thing for you in that situation.
@@MatthewKelley-mq4ce "best thing for you " to the best of your perception
It’s like flight or fight mode. And also in this day and age, we ARE being watched at all times 😂
@TheOrginalPrincessColey you'd arguably be less watched while out in the woods nowadays.
@@PhoenicopterusR hey that’s not true, there’s mountain people out there and forest people lol
I have an ancestor who was diagnosed with 'religious paranoia' in 1948. He was essentially suffering from a form of schizophrenia. Hearing the voices of angels and seeing signs from the heavens.
That must be the same condition 80% of Christians posting online have.
There's a lot of religions, and every one of them has fanatics. They are dangerous.😮
@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425
Same goes for the non believers as well.
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@@____K_____989it’s just far more common in religion believers since being someone who believes a book is an end all be all word of god (even though it’s been edited and stories removed or added throughout the centuries by people)
@@____K_____989 no. Non believers don't run around every channel on RUclips spouting paragraphs of lord of the rings, telling the world it's in the book so it's absolutely true, and if you don't believe it you're a wrong, stupid, heathen, whilst spewing all this in horrific grammar, as seems to be a chronic condition of the "woowoo christians" we find so often online.
I’m a pretty experienced hiker and hike often. there’s a weird phenomenon that happens from time to time when you’re hiking alone, tired just get kinda leery vibes and a bit paranoid. Usually for me it has to do with mountain lions or bears not people trying to get me. I’ve never decided to hop off the trail or anything extreme. But I don’t think she did this intentionally. When you’re just in your own mind and there’s no distractions, you can get a bit spooked.
Strictly speaking, we don't own our mind; its wandering left and right when returning to this forest experience (that must have shaped our amygdala and hypothalamus over much of our phylogenesis) ain't all that surprising. The mind is like a monkey, say the Buddhists; you take that monkey (back) into the woods where it grew up and you're lucky if it comes back at all...
That’s why I keep that mf thang on me when I go out hiking lol.
A single woman hiking alone putting down a fake man’s name on the guest book for safety. She was concerned about other hikers/ men from the start.
I am so glad I live in a country with no deadly insects, animals etc on bush hikes. Just feral deer, pigs, possums, goats...But, I can relate to getting that weird feeling in certain places or times.
I absolutely agree. It doesn’t matter how much knowledge or experience a person has, that unwelcome and intrusive fear can worm its way into your head regardless. Your senses become heightened and raw, your awareness increases and even though you try to rationalize before you know it you’re flinching at shadows, especially when alone for extended periods. On occasion this unwarranted fear can grasp you even when in your own backyard on a dark and quiet night. I find it totally believable, that an otherwise sensible person who had been hiking alone in an unfamiliar area for days, who then began hearing numerous nearby ambiguous noises like radio chatter, footsteps, vehicles, etcetera could eventually be consumed by fight or flight instincts. Speaking of which, I honestly believe this is why we have these responses in otherwise safe and normal situations. The fear typically comes for you in the darkness, when in nature, and when alone. I wonder if it’s just a residual response from a time in human history when we huddled in caves terrified of the night and its many predators. To this day, in the interest of self preservation your body and mind choose for you. If some part of your subconscious determines that certain sensory data and observations warrants action it will overwhelm your rational mind with the urge to run.
Temporary psychosis is most likely the answer. She heard some stuff in the woods, and immediately her brain went into fight or flight mode due to an unseen perceived threat.
Its the same reason people hear voices in the woods, or see ghosts.
My thoughts exactly. I've been out in the woods around here at night many times, it's such a deep darkness, heavy. It feels not haunted but energetic? I found myself in a clearing that dipped down full of pine needles. The fear I felt stepping in that thing! I could see myself going mad so easy out there.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. I know someone like this. Strong, independent person who thought they knew what they are doing because their bad decisions hadn't caught up to them yet.
I think that's most likely as well. Paranoia to an extreme degree.
Or they hear an animal call that they haven’t heard before, like a fox or badger (the two often chat with each other like ravens and wolves).
You're assuming it wasn't a Wendigo.
There have been several cases of people who get hopelessly lost deep in a forest, and when they come across a powerline (like what you see going up and down the shaved parts of a hill), they set the wooden posts on fire. The fire knocks out the electricity, one way or another, and the person just waits until the utility crew shows up to repair the damage. However, this has led to fines that exceed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Several!? Wow. Smart people.
What cases?
Love it. Not so much the fines though. When it's that or risk disappearing.
@@MatthewKelley-mq4ceyeah fines shouldnt be allowed in this specific type of situation
But why... Powerlines go over land that you can walk on. It goes from a power generator where there are people to civilization where there are people.
And most larger towers are made out of metal to my knowledge to hold the weight of the cables.
Something is off
About halfway through I realised I’ve heard this one before. I’ve always figured the men behind her probably were talking about her and she left the trail to either avoid them or wait till they passed her. It’s never an overreaction when you’re a woman by yourself in the middle of nowhere and there’s men following you. Maybe she got lost, didn’t have enough water, got a tad delusional and hallucinated the men followed her into the woods. When the search parties eventually showed up, she mistook them for the men who had come back.
She let her fear get the best of her and it’s just lucky it had a happy outcome.
ETA: the workers probably were talking about her. Men are prone to saying crude things about women among themselves, even if they don’t mean it.
It’s absolutely an overreaction. Women can be very stupid, thinking everything is about them and/or that all men are predators. If that’s your idiotic opinion of men then you deserve to get lost for a little while.
Seriously. I know there's women that exist in this community but it could terribly use more
@@johnvaughan8239Even completely ignoring the fact that being conventionally attractive isn’t ACTUALLY a prerequisite for being menaced by a stranger, what a rude thing to say
@@johnvaughan8239 Cringe thing to say
@@johnvaughan8239 oooh edgy
My uncle lives near lake joccassee, I grew up hiking and hunting that area. It's one of the most beautiful places on earth but those mountains are unforgiving
I camped at jocasse once it’s so gorgeous
@@thomascampbell2128 It really is. I took it for granted growing up but now having been across the country and across the world, it's definitely among the most beautiful places on earth
@@Magic_monkey_man I'm from Table Rock, can confirm.
I do think she heard the workers at first, and from then on things just escalated in her head. It's terrifying when you think you have to run for your life.
I've been in a scary situation like that, and I wasn't even half as far from visible civilization signs as she was. I had my dog with me, we were walking on a trail and ran into a couple construction workers who made a derogatory comment about my body. I ran as fast as I could after that, my dog right beside me, and I could swear the men were chasing me. They were not. But in the middle of the woods, no buildings around, only a dirt road under your feet, panic can grow as fast as wildfire on a field in the summer.
I'm glad she was found and was physically ok. As Aidan said, we will never know for sure what happened to her. I hope she healed as well as possible from that ordeal, mentally speaking.
God knows I am still terrified after my own panicked run through the woods, and couldn't bring myself to get back there since it happened. It's been 5 years.
Lol it's funny what paranoia and arrogance does to people
Sometimes something doesn't have to happen, for something to have happened. Yep. All things we have to process. It's curious cause it's never a universal thing.
@@Atari2600Gamerwhy arrogance? And it's not funny at all, it's terrifying.
@@ingridn0gI mean she did think she was good enough to take off on her own, completely ignoring warnings in this instance and in other situations such as running at night.
@@scarletwitch7198so ig if u get beat up one day by dudes who are bigger and stronger than you then it’s ur fault for being arrogant enough to go outside huh
As someone who heard a man saying threats behind me (in the city) and had men follow me for blocks it could absolutely be true that she heard some guy yell something threatening to her and just took off
Panic In The Woods is a phenomenon the sudden onset seemingly uncaused irrational sense of imminent danger, leading them to flee the area. Most often the assumption of being hunted by an unseen person pe predator the woods, resulting in most running blindly into the woods and becoming lost., People have also described experiencing a sudden silence so severe that it is almost deafening that's likely another symptom of fear. . There have also been reports of people feeling a dark presence that had lingered around them until they managed to escape back to civilization. This could be due to a buried part of our psyche that derives from a time when being alone and exposed in such a way (especially at night) meant that we were vulnerable to predators. Or it could be a simple psychological consequence of straying away from familiar terrain.
Evil spirits in the woods mess with people. If you're not strong in spirit they get you
I get this so easily in the woods. Like it's embarrassing how easily. That's why I take my angry little dog with me. If he's not angry, I have no reason to fear lol.
@@PcCAvioN spirits aren't real, kiddo.
Panic at the Woods!
@@minecraftfox4384proof?
I've literally never been to a video premiere before I just thought "I should watch a Lore Lodge video" and turns out this was here!!!
this is my first too! so excited
David: It might not be bigfoot, butttt
Aiden: It's not
Me: ...I believe
I mean I’m of the opinion that something like Sasquatch could exist, but Dave seriously overreaches with many of the missing 411 IMAO.
It’s not impossible, probably not even improbable that a primate species similar to gorillas or orangutans could exist in the wilderness areas of North America. Do they exist? Probably. Are they responsible for all the missing 411 cases? Almost certainly not. Could they be responsible for a select few cases? Probably.
I'm still convinced this woman could have simply had a mental break. She could have truly believed that she was being chased, which led her to do all the things someone would do if they were actually being chased. That doesn't mean that there is anyone there. Those 2 things can be true at the same time. She honestly believes her life was in danger and she was being chased, and there was never anyone chasing her in the first place.
I agree, and anyone is susceptible to it no matter what their normal character traits are!
I think it's also extremely possible that she may have been followed for a while. Maybe she even lost him/them once she went off trail. Then she mistook searchers/workers for the initial person following her. I think the comment about dogs, boats, and helicopters definitely points to her unintentionally hiding from rescue. I can definitely see how if you're already scared, you can convince yourself of some pretty outlandish things.
@@hopelessromantic3786 I see what you are saying. I guess my point would be that the human brain is an amazing thing and we can get ourselves into that state of fear with nothing more than what's in our head. Our own paranoia or insecurities. Then you start hearing all the searchers and stuff which validates your concerns(wether they were valid or not). But maybe you are right. Some weirdo followed her for an hour or something, got tired, and turned back. But she kept running because she could hear all the searching activity.
@@Brianfailedgot2keepontruckinI absolutely think your theory is possible. Brains definitely do kooky things sometimes, especially when you're alone in an unfamiliar environment. The main reason I think maybe it really was a person following her is because I would think she'd be somewhat used to the sounds of workers if she'd done other parts of the trails, and it always just makes a bit more sense to me when there's a catalyst. But weirder things have definitely happened than someone getting freaked out in the woods.
@@hopelessromantic3786 well put.
Put me down for her actually being chased on the first day, with everything after that being paranoia. Nothing kills your sense of reason like knowing someone is actually out to get you.
I'm right there with you on David and Missing 411; he definitely wants to believe there is something woo-woo about these disappearances. And he wants us to believe it, too.
While there are some that just make no sense, I agree here as well, the majority of Missing 411 cases are rather easy to figure out or have been solved in time since the original publication.
@@magosryzak7477 there's still plenty of mystery out there, but yes, most of it either has been or will be explained by ordinary mundane phenomena.
I also want to believe it's paranormal. But alas, there seems to be more mundane explanations for things. It's all very disappointing on that front
Are you having a mental lapse. There is absolutely something going on with these disappearances more than something mundane. The National Parks service has repeatedly tried to sweep as much as possible under the rug.
@@saucemaster2 mental lapse? To think that there are real-world explanations for real-word events? 🤔
I'm voting "no" on that one.
Regardless of what happened I cannot imagine how happy and relieved her parents must of been to see her alive.
"You have nicer weather" my man it was 109° with 90% humidity at 10am what do you mean
He means we don't get snow in winter.
I swear to God. Hearing people talk about places having "nice weather" just because it's sunny makes me irate. No. 100+ degree weather is not nice weather. Be glad you have seasons. Shoveling snow off your driveway for a month beats non-stop sweating, being nauseous, and having to change your sheets every other day for 10 months out of the year.
one mans trash is another mans treasure
Yo, Wolf. I was in South Cackalackee, Green Sea, during a heatwave. 110 degrees, 10 am, 100% humidity. I feel you, homie.
Yall really are built different in the south. I'm in the PNW and if it's 90 outside, I'm calling out sick and sucking off my ac unit.
I think this story is exactly as she said. I do feel she was spooked by something that gave her a deep terrified feeling that never had the chance to subside. Whether it been an animal she heard, but wasn't sure what it was or associated a sound at night that really scared her with hunters she heard soon after. When you are scared, you are hyper alert to everything around you and your mind can exacerbate your fear til it grows and grows to utter terror, justified or not. I think sh honestly felt terrified and responded accordingly in the moment and that put her in the position of getting lost.
Being alone in the woods can be a strong thing. Not sure if this was her first hike a lone or if being alone in the wilderness in a strange place, but sometimes the brain overrides reason for better or worse.
Alot of people don't know, there's:
~❤nature❤~
And
NATURE.
Your local hiking trails are cute, but once you hit the real forest, it gets real, real fast. I stopped midway through a hike once, looked around me and said "Yap, nope, we didn't bring bear mace, rations, or proper shoes, we're goin back. This is actually the woods, and we might as well be legless turkeys."
Legless turkeys? 🦃
Now I’m hungry 🤤
Ngl I had a European friend ask me once why the US allows such rampant ownership of guns. And then I sent him ONE photo of the woods near me at night, yknow the first person photo, looking into the woods, lit by a flashlight, that illuminates the forest floor for like.. 10ft and then it's a wall of inky darkness that looks almost like you put up construction paper it's so thick. Yeah he looked once at that photo and said "I now get why you all own so many guns" and then I proceeded to inform him, because this is true, "I'd love to say they help but they really still dont"
Like I'm a 6' 4" guy, I'm supposed to be the one people are scared of cause I'm tall as shit and broad as hell, and even with a pistol AND a shotgun I WILL NOT just trek into the woods at night, absolutely not
Always have a David Polidus debunk in the video at the end, it's so snarky and perfect.
I can already tell this is another classic Lore Lodge banger
Aiden told me to eat my veggies, immediately unsubbed
Technically I told you to drink them
@@TheLoreLodge 😭😭😭 (i didn't actually unsub by the by, i enjoy your channel
If you're going to threaten to unsub, at least give the actual reason and don't embellish the story. Like Aiden said, he told us to drink them. You didn't have to twist his words. 😂😅😊
Of course you were just playing, though. This channel is too good to unsub for petty reasons!
Y'all are some kiss asses just cause he commented lmao 🤣
@@Oldworldlove ok?
Nobody tell Aidan about "fixin' to" or "used to could"
"Used to could" sounds about as brain-breaking as "yin's guys" was for me as a New Yorker visiting western PA.
Or holp as the past tense of help in W. Virginia. Or hold with as a synonym of believe, feel about, think about. "How do ye hold with rockets now, son?" That was a Chuck Yeagerism to one of the Apollo astronauts that I always thought super funny.
Random moment of appreciation for what a fewking yotta-Chad ole Chuck was: the W. Virginia up-hollow boy who took off his overalls, put on his Army Air Force uniform, and lit up the skies over Europe. He became an Ace in 1 single day of fighting in WW2, shooting down 5 German planes in a single encounter. He was, iirc, 20 years old. End random moment of Chuck Yeager appreciation.
@@datakrasher lmao! as a New Jersey family freshly moved to western PA, "yin's guys" was surprisingly familiar cause we already said "youse guys." Everything else about the dialect took some getting used to tho
What about, "Y'ain't"?
@@TheHarryLizardd "All y'all's"
And who could forget the timeless crowd pleaser, "well bless your/his/her heart"
Edit: for those out of the loop, if someone from Texas tells you "bless your heart," take a second and check your place in this life right quick because they're passive-aggressively calling you a reDACTED. Unless you're in church, of course. Maybe.
I'm a hardcore atheist but I NEVER assume anyone who is religious is automatically prone to delusions! I'm a biochemist & I've known plenty of scientists who also have faith & are completely rational. Just because someone believes in a higher power doesn't mean they aren't intelligent & very rational.
I've never met a religious person who is intelligent or rational. Educated, yes. Intelligent, no.
@@minecraftfox4384 what about aiden from the lore lodge yeah he must be an idiot
@@minecraftfox4384sorry to hear that
@@minecraftfox4384 Am religious myself. However am more a, relaxed type. I do not preach hellfire. I do not judge. I do not care what others do with their life. And I do believe in evolution.
But on the other hand, it’s reasonable to say that someone who believes some old bloke with a beard created the world in a week is delusional and irrational.
Whether it was paranoia or real, Eloise felt like she was danger. She was a woman alone in the woods. That alone meant she was in danger. Glad she got out safe, and I hope she's doing well wherever she is.
Lol wut, that alone does not mean she was in danger.
Please say you're only being sarcastic?.
Heaven forbid any outdoor working female ever have to work by them self. 😮😮😮
She chose this for herself
I mean, there is a certain degree of danger being a *person* alone in the woods (off trail, without adequate food and protection from the elements).
Just like there’s a certain amount of danger being a *person* alone in the city. They are just different kinds of danger. 🤷🏻♀️
@@dalstephen3834 Like it or not, it is dangerous for *anybody* to be out in the wilderness by themselves. And sadly, this danger is only amplified for lone women.
@@dim4757 I disagree, there is a degree of inherent danger with anything, however it is not any more or less dangerous being by oneself in the wilderness . Only risk.
Big yes to commenting on david paulides as you cover these cases!
I look up some of the cases and that person leaves out facts and adds some that are NOT in newspaper articles of the day.
Don't the people listening to those videos every ressearch themselves? I guess not.
in fact, I found a logical explanation to MANY of these cases and weird behavior-a scientific esxplanation and I have explained it in detail in my comments and he absoultely IGNORES it- and he says he reads all the comments. Well, see the $$$ flow would diminish fi those logical villagers would read what i found as a probbale explanation besides bears, mountian lions, etc.... those watching dont't respond to my factual cause of the disappearances either and this scientific explanation can ffect, children, men, women, young or old. N OW: if someone was genuinely concerned about WHY they were disappearing, wouldn't that person respondto what I have found? Or comment???? Hmmmmmm....so ridiculous Like the time a nice person did a portrait of ________--, he insulted it and then took off that episode because people left comments regarding his rudeness.
Hey Larry, bud. I'd just like to let you know, no hate or anything, that maybe they have read your conclusion and they just have a hard time understanding it.
@@larrywakeman4371 go outside more often.
@@larrywakeman4371 Schizophrenia moment
I, too, wish to hear more about mustache man's funny stories
Please continue to dismantle Dave's arguments and segments. Watching someone dismantle segments/arguments is great.
Today as I was riding a public bus, I was watching lore lodge and a guy getting off tapped me on the shoulder and said: “lore lodge is some good stuff.”
24:26 pausing to go to the other story I missed. 🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
I have had my own moments of paranoia or actually feeling fear in the woods, i still did not leave the trail! The scariest time was me and my partner walking a trail up deep in the pnw and i just smelled something like pee, rotten onions, and skunk mixed together. I felt this immediate primal fear, turned around, grabbed my bf by the arm, and jogged about 2 miles back to our car with him. I didnt say anything but "we gotta go." My brain was going crazy with thoughts of bears, mt lions, bigfoots too tbh. That smell was like a den/marking spot for a mt lion fresh, or a bigfoot. I havent been back there.
I'm glad you kept your words about you enough to stick to the trail and go to your car
@@meghaffer i think the only thing that really could have pushed me off trail was IF something truly was chasing me off!! Its possible she panicked and thought she heard something but that wouldnt make her go off trail in my own opinion, it has be either there WAS something there or she had a full visual and audio hallucination. The only way you go off is if you do think something is there.
Clicking the like button and he hasn't even started talking yet
Me too!
That's err just sad 😓 surly people should be judged on the content ... People like you are the reason the algorithm suxxx 💕
Samee
@@joshlittke9305 Exactly
@@OriginalEvaGreenrubber, glue.
Nice job on retelling her story and her background, the best part was that baiting bears was the source of the pastries in the tree!
Or maybe the snacks were left by kindly Trail Angels.
Really cool/sad to hear a story that I’ve never heard of that took place on a mountain that is literally 15 minutes away from me, appreciate the content as always though big chief.
1) I would love a David P. segment in each relevant video! You make everything seem so much more rational. I'd really like a less biased presentation of the facts than David probably shows us. Bigfoot is always fun, just not the answer to everything.
2) History Hut?! Yesss!
3) Please keep doing videos about Sasquatch and other cryptids! ❤
I agree on Paulides. There are understandable limitations to a policeman's education; to see him barge into metaphysics as if it were a clandestine brothel makes me sad. There are other, subtler things that defy understanding, not just Sasquatch and UFOs.
I live in Pickens county and pastries and donuts are great bear bait so she could have absolutely found snack cakes in a tree.
But why are people baiting bears? Are they looking to shoot them, for meat? Hides? To protect livestock?
Either that or she found the Keebler Elves, and they were trying to keep her from giving away their location. 😂
@@slappy8941😂
If I was already feeling uneasy, once I came across donuts in a tree, that would freak me out even more. I would think that someone was nearby watching and waiting.
@@mickeyphillips6603 It's not hard to feel that way around here I've hunted where she was for over 20 years and you feel like something is about to get you half the time especially at night!
Another great video, Aidans! 👍👍
29:45 Paulides would find bigfoot in an account of trip to the corner store. "Are you sure that fellow with a big beard in aisle 4 was a fellow, or...."
This is probably the best joke I’ve seen in these comments lol
THAT'S FUNNY. I'VE. NEVER. HEARD. HIM. SAY. BIGFOOT. GOT. ANYONE. BUT. SOMETHING. STRANGE. IS. HAPPENING. TO. PEOPLE. RIGH. IN. FRONT. OF. OTHER. PEOPLE. WELL IN. CLOSE. PROXIMITY. GOING. MISSING. WHEN. THEY. SHOULD. HAVE. BEEN. EASILY. FOUND. SOMETHING. STRANGE. IS. GOING. ON. YOU. EXPLAIN. IT.
Your beeping was so on point you made one of my birds chirp. 10/10.
Schizophrenia doesn’t develop until your early 20’s, it’s possible no one thought she had mental illness because it was only just developing
Yes! Would love to know more about her now and what’s become of her.
That occurred to me as well
My close friend developed it at 24. Never drank or drugged and just one day had a break from reality and is a totally different person now unfortunately.
Correction: schizophrenia *usually* starts developing in someone’s 20s/30s, but it’s very much possible to have early onset schizophrenia in your teens. I should know, I was diagnosed at 16.
@@PatriciaCook-p1j I tried doing a search about her, but I can't find anything other than articles from 1989 and RUclips videos about the articles from 1989.
@23:00 A blanket of leaves can be surprisingly warm, rake up a pile in the Fall and crawl in. You'll be toasty in 5 minutes.
Oh hell yes dude. Do the "Was this Bigfoot?" segment from now on. That is an awesome idea. S+ work as always.
I used to go hiking alone with my dog (NEVER without my dog), always early in the morning, because it was less likely I'd run into people, the weather would be milder in the morning during summer, and wildlife would be out.
Usually I'd see 1-3 people also solo hiking on the trail, but one morning there was a small group of men, and as a woman hiking alone, it did make me anxious.
When I set off, there were several trail options starting from the same spot, and the men started up a ways behind me. I hiked as fast as I could and took a sudden turn onto a different trail instead of staying on the straightforward one, so I would be out of sight quickly.
If this happened without that option, maybe I would’ve gone off-trail too. I'd take my chances in the woods since I have off-trail experience in the woods, over even a chance of being targeted by a group of men.
Which is sad because there was a 99.99% chance that the men would have just said hello and left had you encountered them.
@greywolf7577 And I'm someone who recognizes that as well. I will and have defended men in conversation with friends who were being unfair/hypocritical. But part of the subconscious reasoning is the type of possible incident- as someone with a lot of hiking and camping experience, it is less fear-inducing to be at a *higher* risk of dealing with a *familiar* scary situation than to be at a *lower* risk of a body and personhood violting scary situation. It's picking a higher probability of a "less" traumatizing situation in which we feel we have more control, instead of a lower probability of an unfathomably traumatizing situation where we lose all control.
No matter how long you have been trekking the wilderness, or how much compressed experience you have in a given time frame, the sudden random realization of how insignificant you are in comparison to the wilds and/or the vast universe, it can flip anyone out. This can come on at any time and age. Some people flip out and never come back to center, or even reappear, they run wild with fear and go forever missing.
I don’t think your theory about her making the story up because she felt bad about all of the money they spent on the search for her is correct. That’s an interesting take but as a woman it’s not hard to believe that she became paranoid in the woods on her own in freezing cold temperatures, and likely little food or sleep. I think she just went into survival mode and the harsh conditions took a toll on her psyche and led to poor decision making as given in her account. 27:17
For the flannel, if she didn't have it before or wasn't given it, she could've found it out on the trail/ in the woods at some point. either in a shelter or even the jeep she stayed in, of course, that depends on the state of the jacket and jeep. If she met a man out in the woods on accident she would've mentioned it, if on purpose she probably would've ditched the flannel at some point. I think the guy who found her is the most likely option
Aiden using the AG1 add to show off his big guns! Amazing video as always. I really appreciate how informative and well researched your topics are. Thanks for putting in so much time and work so we can watch along and learn about these cases.
Ive exerienced paranoid delusions before as part of a temporary mental health episode. Im also a young woman who likes to go on late night walks in the city, I rarely get frightened and I generally feel very grounded and secure. You dont have to be the 'type,' you just have to be unmoored from reality temporarily for whatever reason.
Yes do a segment on the 411 opinion every time. It brings everything into perspective even more, showing what people are conditioned to believe because they are more invested in a person's opinion than facts of a case.
The one who presents a case operates a selection and places the emphasis in ways that remain not easily verifiable/falsifiable for the casuallistener. Hence, the power unawares handed over to the storyteller. This said, there's a number of baffling cases out there and I'm not among the zealotry of positivism.
@@PetarPopara very fancy way of saying "the victor gets to tell the story," even if the victor just happens to be the more popular one in a situation.
Yeah one fun fact David never mentions about the national parks service is that it makes nearly $50 billion annually. So of course they don't advertise the deaths that occur, it would be bad for business. It's a business, run by the government, a multi billion dollar business. The only conspiracy going on with it is not wanting bad publicity to hurt revenue.
Top notch research and sound logic are why this and The Missing Enigma are my favorite channels.
Yes, please please include your takes on Paulides's bigfoot/portal implications wherever possible.
Much appreciate all the hard work and time your team and you put into these videos...Cheers!
Keep doing the segments about David Pollidus and the way he's seeing these cases. I believe in situations like the majority of these cases it's good to both hear about convlusions on the supernatural and natural spectrum, even if it's a bit silly sometimes. Also thank again for another interesting and overall entertaining video, can't wait for more missing 411 cluster content, it's a brilliant idea for content🖤🔥
The more and more you cover these cases, the less mysterious most of them become. Though I do want you to revisit Garrit Bradsley because that one is still mysterious
Interesting but.....I don't know.
Nothing we learned about her made me think she would try wild camping off of a trail she hasn't even completed properly before.
She comes across as stubborn and adventurous, not arrogant enough to try that.
What I always assumed was her first encounter, workers or not, was real and scared her off of the trail. Everything after that was a spiral of paranoia and mistakes.
I'm a BSA Eagle Scout and the first thing I learned in Scouts was to S.T.O.P. as in:
Stop
Think
Observe
Plan
If ever lost. A lot of people don't do this and get lost. Also, have multiple phone map options, GPS options, paper maps, compass, an overnight supply kit just in case...........
When I was in high school I worked at a summer camp surrounded by state forest. A bunch of the counselors were from the city. They were perfectly sane people. Until they left camp to walk a trail. They had the worst fears of being killed by serial killers or bears. This was within less than a mile of camp.
So even though Eloise was usually of sound mind and had experience in the woods, going outside of her usual comfort zone could have sparked irrational fears sending her way off trail. Then getting back to her family or her back in touch with reality.
Or maybe she went for a secret trip she didn't want her family to know about and lied about it. Also Bigfoot
Yo I just watched a video of yours from a year ago and it’s insane how much the production & quality of your vids has gone up!! Love all your work :)
This channels been covering a lot of cases from my area lately and it’s making me wonder if I’m gonna find something I don’t wanna find while hiking. Like how many times I’ve been hiking near the border of NC and gotten weird sensations, makes me wonder if I should’ve paid more attention at those spots
I can't remember which episode it is that he tells us not to cause more Missing 411 cases, but he HAS told us.
You're not allowed to go missing, it's just more work for him. Especially do not go missing north of Houston, because then you'd be making more work for me as well.
Please add the David Politis segment.. I need it, and didn’t even realize it.
there is nothing like cooking/baking while watching the lore lodge
Road less traveled always. That was my grandfather's favorite poem. Thanks for bringing a smile to my face.
You can develop psychosis at any point in your life, anyone. Just because she didn't seem like the type is irrelevant.
I really enjoy the you are going over some of the David Paulides videos. I also find your research beyond reproach. I pretty much quit watching them because i did not think bigfoot was the answer for all the missing people. Thank you for all you do to get to the truth!
Yes we definitely need a David P segment in every video
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Lone woman in the woods is afraid of unknown men. Spends days living off basically nothing in her fear. Obviously she’s just crazy, no other possible explanation for it, right?
She’s just the first woman to choose the bear.
if there really were men chasing/stalking her, what happened to her in the woods would have been far preferable to what those men could have done if they caught her. she didnt choose anything, she was just afraid, and this kind of outlook is disgusting.
@@alexd8092 yes my friend. Welcome to the world of sarcasm. This was entirely my point, that’s it’s ridiculous to just assume she was making everything up or “just paranoid.”
@@angiadcock8196 ah, my bad haha. from the last sentance- "she's just the first woman to choose the bear" made me think your point was that more women would "choose the bear" and get lost in the woods and that it would be their fault
@@alexd8092 Ok, I guess I can get there with that interpretation, maybe… But what I was trying to say is that she “chose the bear” knowing how dangerous it was for a lone woman to encounter unknown men in the wilderness and that it made perfect sense for her to do so. My point was more so aimed at all these men who think women picking the bear is a new phenomenon as if women haven’t always had a reason to fear men. This is probably a more literal example of the hypothetical choice than any woman hopes they ever have to face. But she still chose unimaginable difficulty and hardship in fear. So all the men saying we wouldn’t actually pick the bear in a real life circumstance underestimate how afraid women are.
Aiden, you are the absolute best drink Shaker I have ever witnessed in my life. The combination of shaker-ness and shake-ability confidence and what, with that thousand-yard deadeye stare is second to none, and I will never forget it. Thank you
The power workers might have been talking about her, and a few could have followed or chased her off. We take for granted how much more decent blue-collar workers are in the 2000s. Women being assulted by blue-collar workers either verbally or sexually was really common. Especially right after the Vietnam War. It's almost comparable to oil rig workers and violence against Native American Women going on right now.
I've recently discovered your channel and I absolutely love it. Stuff like this is the best part of the internet 😊
I never knew what the pound cake thing was about. I thought it was a certain sign of the poor lady being off her trolley! But now I know about them being bait for bears it looks a lot different. It turns out you can find pound cake in trees in a rational, if strange, world.
It's a stash system hikers use on long trails.
It made me think of fairy offerings or something, I didn't realize people used it for bait
@@maddiegrace9787 Ask an experienced LDT hiker. Poundcake is an emergency supply cache, food, placed by other hikers, for those that need it in an emergency.
Please make the David segment 😂 I love you pointing out 'when he doesn't say' it was bigfoot. It's so entertaining.
I grew up ,here.* It's a pretty wild place. Lots of beauty; a fair bit of danger.
The trails are safe as any, but it ,is, a WILD place. A person who is distracted or inattentive may come to trouble.
*Staring up at Table Rock.
I liked the new logo you came out with but I am so happy you kept the OG logo. To me there is something perfect about it. I wear my "Lift Lodge" hoodie very frequently and people ask about where I got it and when I explain the YT channel they assume its some conspiracy nut even when I say "he covers tons of true crime and does FBI level research" 😂 Keep it up boys, great vid as per usual 👍🏼
Obviously there are some weird things in this story but it's easy to second guess from a warm, safe room far removed from fear and doubt. Why are so many people reluctant to believe a woman alone in the woods heard men nearby, thought they were talking about her and became afraid so she tried to avoid them then got lost and stayed lost because she thought they were after her but at the same time will believe a 6' 4“ 260lb armed police officer was afraid for his life when he saw a 5'9" unarmed kid so he shot him from 10 feet away? One must be crazy, the other is a hero who's lucky to be alive.
Thank you for everything boys!!!
24:28 Okay im about to go watch the Evangeline whatever video like youre suggesting, but before i go do that, i just want to say that if i was a first responder in this situation, i would have been so frustrated at the woman in this video.
Oh I can imagine
@@TheLoreLodgeim at this same point sometimes women will just be women
If you were the first responder, I'd rather take my chances with the Bears . At least we'd have cake.
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You’d be frustrated with a missing woman who was likely under some sort of paranoid delusion? Says more about you than her bud.
Watching this intoxicated and after a festival and I still can say this is the peak of my day. Love you and your work❤
Honestly, I'm glad that y'all are skeptical about David Paulides. It's refreshing.
I’ve always been interested in this story, no matter how many times I hear it. Great job on this one.
Les Stroud has of course done many things about staying warm and in one episode of survivorman he did stay warm in cold conditions in the pacific northwest in a pile of leaves. If you pile enough leaves up and you get yourself into the center of that pile of leaves will keep you very warm by itself without a blanket. Also if the flannel was made out of wool even if it were wet wool retains most of its insulative properties. So if she stayed in a wool shirt in a pile of leaves even without a fire she could very well have been warmer than people think she would have been
That's great and all, but a survivalist finding out that works in the last decade or so doesn't mean some random college student would even think to try that in the late 80s when none of the "experts" trying to explain how she kept warm didn't even consider that as an explanation. Plus we don't know when she got the flanel and it wouldn't help much when it's just a jacket and can't cover that much of a body, plus it doesn't matter as a flannel doesn't have enough thickness to actually insulate the same way a lump of wool would.
I knew her. She is not prone to hysteria or mental illness. Something genuinely scared her and she was afraid for her life.
Nothing about this case makes a damn bit of sense .
It's makes a ton of sense to me...... If. You know I here this all the time about people's character. There are things in this world that drastically change people and their character. One of those things is recreational drugs. Often very straight edge people think in the woods is a good place to experiment with such things.
@@PaulLanier-u3c way to pass judgment on someone you don't know.
I hear ya. I can't go hiking without running into herds of church goers tripping on MDMA roaming around the woods.
Who takes drugs on a long hike? You'd actually fucking die@@PaulLanier-u3c
Dave doesn’t imply it’s Bigfoot.
He HEAVILY implies it.
Always makes my day when y’all upload!
How did she know these men had all that equipment mentioned at ~14:10 if she never saw them?
Exactly..Might be schizophrenia
A quick science note on those AG1 stats: getting super high doses (like 400% of the daily recommendation) of a vitamin like vitamin C is a speedrunners path to kidney stones. A whole bunch is a good thing can be a real bad thing unfortunately!
Not only that, it hasn't been reviewed by an independent company to say if what they claim is in their stuff is really in there.
Women's calorie needs are different than men. Women burn far less calories when moving and conserve fat when resting. Even if it was cold, she didn't need as much food as a man of the same weight. There was a family of women in the Donner party that didn't resort to cannibalism and all of them lived.
Women do conserve fat, don’t they
that doesn’t clear everything up though. It could have meant that she needed somewhat less food than a male hiker but women can and do freeze to death on the trail, especially in conditions similar to the ones described (20F at night with minimal shelter)
Yayy just got home from work about to relax and listen to this!
You should 100% do a "This was Paulides' take on the case" at the end of each of these videos. If you're examining cases from his reporting clusters, you should probably mention something about why these cases were included in the cluster, unless the clusters are every case from that region and not the ones Paulides explicitly thought were suspect.
31:53 correction, most native tribes actually see bigfoot as a spirit in the same way as a healer or guiding spirit, in a lot of different cultures its a holder of medicines
You strike me as a voice of reason great video! ❤
Eloise didnt say, "i was being followed", she said "I FELT I was being followed"....seems like she had a mental break tbh
Live in Pickens, work in Oconee and do SAR out here in both.
It's nice to hear one of the local stories and one where I know most of the names involved.
If you want an unsolved case, maybe look into Jason Knapp, or maybe a rash of disappearances in Oconee in 2019.
Keep up the good work!
Aidan I would love it if you added a David paulides segment!!! I think its important that people have accurate information and you do this very well!!
I've listened to a ton of things and hearing it all started at my favorite state park is insane lol
I cant wait to see whats in store today at tle lodge. Thank you adins!!
The amount of time I went hiking alone around Oregon and Colorado chills my soul now. I've seen, heard, and experienced enough since I doubt I will do that again.
@@HelloXiuXiu judging from that pic the only hiking you've done is to the pastry aisle.
Definitely please include the David Paulides reviews
I don't think somebody has to be mentally ill/have a psychotic break to scare themselves into acting strangely. When you're completely alone, in a strange new place that you're already aware has certain dangers to it (ie. bears), the brain can trigger a fear response due to any random thing. Just imagine, you're completely alone deep in the woods, probably a bit tired from hiking for so long, and you hear voices floating toward you from down the path that are describing you/talking about you... That's freaky!! I wouldn't blame Eloise for getting into her head about it, and tbh I think it's usually better to err on the side of your survival instincts, so whether she was being followed or not, she made a choice that was logical for what she believed the situation to be. I'm glad she got out alive, I have to imagine surviving in the wild like that takes a lot of grit and resourcefulness