The Shattered Remnants and Unanswered Questions of Halloween's ATR-72 Crash! | Mayday: Air Disaster
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- On a chilling Halloween night above Chicago, American Eagle 41-84, a commuter plane with 68 people on board, spirals out of control amid bad weather delays. Desperate pilots fight to regain control, but the ATR-72 smashes into a cornfield, leaving a shattered wreckage and a declared biohazard.
What lasting impact did the shattered wreckage of American Eagle 41-84 have on aviation safety protocols, and how did the tragic events reshape the understanding of potential dangers during cold-weather flights?
Mayday: Air Disaster - From Season 7 Episode 8 "Deep Freeze": October 31, 1994 - It’s a frigid Halloween night in the skies above Chicago. Bad weather is delaying dozens of flights, including American Eagle 41-84. Suddenly - the plane spins wildly out of control. The pilots fight desperately to right their plane - but can’t. It smashes into a cornfield. All 68 people on board are killed instantly. Investigators eventually discover the cause is a rare weather phenomena - and a fatal design flaw.
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Pilot Stephen Fredrick is a brave, courageous man for speaking out about it.
I remember that and the pilots who refused to fly.
So sad , 68 people losing their life 😢
The young flight attendant... her 1st and last day on the job 😢😢
Heartbreaking
Day Davis at Bacardi had a great but extremely sad OSHA violations death 6 ways to Sunday...
1st and last day, too.
And some children were on board too😢
😢@@gcrichman53
Everyone on there is a huge loss, so sad...Captain will never get to meet his sweet baby
As someone who lives in Northwest Indiana I vividly remember that storm that night. It was awful on the ground, I can only imagine how it was in the air.
I lived (and still do) in Schererville, IN, about 30 miles north of where the plane crashed. That was a miserable night weather-wise here, as you said. There's a memorial near the crash site which I've never been to visit, but should.
I live in Bremen Indiana so I know I’m close to that too
I guess we get into the same stuff.
@@MarkRichardson-tx9kk I live in Hobart. Also that year I worked in St. John. I remember taking my kids trick or treating that night and coming home after visiting only one block of our neighborhood. Awful night indeed.
Well, we're fellow Brickies then, because I grew up in Hobart, graduated in 1979. Parents still live there.@@ronaldwilson9525
I was a American Eagle Flight Attendant for many years, this heartbreaking event is forever etched in my mind. ❤
😔 and after the airline had been warned and begged to make changes… true tragedy. They deserved better… you all did…
I would love to be a flight attendant but it seems hard to get in. What tips would you recommend? Thanks in advance 😊
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@@daybyday0731u need to sleep with the airline manager
@@luisfernando5998just did that and it didn’t work. Please advise
I can’t even imagine trying to recover a plane while spiraling out of the sky 😢
@@Mike232-j2p absolutely, until the very end but that would be absolutely terrifying
😂
Don’t get up there
No. The helplessness. The thought of the passengers. Terrifying.
Specially when you see how massive they actually are. It's gutta be pretty scary the first few times landing as a pilot nvm spiraling uncontrollably
The fact that another ATR 72 crashed near Sao Paulo Brazil just yesterday, and seems to be due to ice again is disgusting. How is this plane still in service and how has this happened again? 😔
well otsnaa 31:22
Exactly what I Said this isn't even the first time it's like the 1000th time
They have made substantial changes to both the the aircraft itself and to operating procedures. If the crew had the correct information and followed the correct procedures, that airplane should not have crashed.
to be fair there's probably a reason for the meme "you're going to brazil" xD
The little facts about the crew make this crash that much more tragic
The Captain - Supposed to be his day off but volunteered
Flight Attendant - First day on the Job.
Understanding 'Super-Cooled' water that won't freeze, even when it's temp is below freezing, until something breaks it's surface tension, whereupon it instantly turns to ice, is still blowing my mind. There's a vid of this action/reaction, truly stunning. I believe Chloe, 'Disaster Breakdown', has it. Her explanation is brill, too. A 'must see'.
Not to mention that he was an expectant father who only took the shift because he needed the money :(
My thoughts exactly
That really sucks big time.
@@jammyn7368but
What a nightmare those poor people didn't stand a chance.
They shouldn’t have been up there!
I started my career as an aircraft mechanic in 1995. Worked for an FBO that took on the project of removing the old dicing boots from the leading edges of atr's and installing the longer ones. Messy job.
Yeah, very smelly too! 1300L and MEK make a great combo to work with. I've been there many times.
I don't exactly know what you guys are talking about but sounds interesting and scary to me as a potential passenger. Reluctant passenger. 😒
The son of my best friend was killed in that crash. He left behind a wife and tiny son.
Did they sue the airline? Did they ever get a reason for the crash?
@@ravenzyblackit was icing on the wings
Sorry for your loss😒
I dont understand, were there just no labor laws back then?!? How can you fire a pilot for whistleblowing?!? Theres literally laws protecting whistleblowers from being fired in retaliation...
Whistleblowers get fired all the time in aviation. Alaska air fired one who told on them for lying about maintenance records.
Not in the US 😂😂
But if it’s a hire at Will state then it does t matter
Look at the dude from boeing.. just got killed.
Boeing just fired a whistleblower. It was with a gun though, so it's a little different, but kinda the same.
The power tie strikes again! This is a newly edited one not a new one. I almost don't care as I think I've seen all of them. I just love the forensics and trying to remember how many ties Greg Feith has.
❤❤😂😮😅
I like watching them look for 80s clothing, cars and washers (JC Penny blue Big Bird sweater w specific dye proprietary to that store that convicted that freak)
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823unique passtime but I certainly shouldn't judge😂😂
Another crash with this aircraft yesterday, in Vinhedos, São Paulo, Brazil. It seems that the icing on the airplane caused it. 62 people died.
Should be discontinued
There was a Monday Night Football game going on in Chicago that night. The fog at Soldier Field was crazy. The wind and fog was so bad couldn’t see across the stadium very well.
Oh my, you tripped a bit of nostalgia... Remember watching that game after Trick-or-treating as a kid.
Wow i rember it was the bears,packer game and people were saying this is bears wheather , but just the same packers crushed em , also that day they had a fake breaking news report that asteroids impacting the earth ,but then it turned into a patteren suggesting some thing from outer space was attacking !! Needed some herb for that day !!!
The Capt wasn't supposed to be working that day. He volunteered. Then he died. And his wife was pregnant with her second child. So sad. RIP to everyone.
Moral of the story: never volunteer
Ironically, the same thing happened with Captain Walter Lux of American Airlines Flight 191 in Chicago on May 25, 1979. He had just finished his flight when another captain asked him to take his spot and he agreed. When it's your day off, or you've finished up your shift, don't take someone else's place.... Enjoy that time to yourself. My pastor once said in a sermon that " no, is not a profane word". Sometimes you have to tell people, " sorry, but I'm not available ".
@jocelynharris-fx8ho Yeah if Walter Lux hadn't agreed to switch shifts he would have been here today. 😢
What sad?
Everyone dies.
@@luisfernando5998right! 😂
My father ran ham radio on site. He volunteered. Not sure if he was the only one running radio. He lived in Crown Point. North of the accident. He past away last March.
I’m sorry to hear about your dad.
Rest in Peace 🙏
Thank you!
Who is here after the Brazil accident yesterday?
@@jef4300 me!
Did the pilot who brought this information forward ever get his job back?
funny how we talk such a big game about protecting whistleblowers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No. Most of them get blackballed or die under circumstances that make it hard to point the finger at the big names.
@@VLove-CFII No. He did get a settlement but the amount was sealed. But he did not get his job back. FSR from it.
@@mxandrewoh yeah we talk a big game about a lot of things, like “democracy,” “protecting families” etc. when we don’t do anything close to that 🤷🏻♀️ hypocrite lying rose-colored glasses society
@@mxandrew”The Occasional Human Sacrifice,” new book about this in the medical field
I bet this is literally what happened to flight 2283 by Voepass in Brazil
The plane is not good this has happened over a thousand times with this plane
@@yungblade7 They changed aspects of the deicing system and the procedures and thresholds for dealing with it, so it should be safe now, assuming the crew had correct information and flew according to procedures (and the deicing system was operating correctly).
@@yungblade7 ATR-72 had 5 fatal crash due ice:
American Eagle 4184 - 1994
TransAsia 791 - 2002
Aero Caribbean 883 - 2010
Utair 120 - 2012
Voepass Linhas Aéreas 2283 - 2024
Plus one in takeoff due incorrect deicing procedure in ground.
I can watch reruns of these, and still like them.
It makes perfect sense to completely ignore pilots that fly a particular type of plane when they insist there is something unsafe and potentially deadly about the planes THEY are tasked to fly. The ones who NEVER fly those planes make the decision to poo-poo the grievances and keep those aircraft in operation as is. 🙄😲
It doesn’t make sense!
@@Perfectpearl Agreed 👍
I luv this series of aircraft accidents but it's also so very sad
I already have a deep fear of flying. I don't think this helps.
Rip to all. We respect and remember you 41-84
They broke the Whistle-blower Protection Act. That's jail time.
That act protects federal employees.
Flying in the winter is always dicey! I remember a bad snowstorm that hit when AIR FLORIDA slammed into a bridge in Washington DC! Western MARYLANDER here! They sent us home from school that day! It was snowing very heavily! I believe ice caused that crash too!
It was ice! There is an episode on that crash.
The pilot wasn't used to flying in snow and ice. He forgot to turn the defrosters on. The plane was stuck at the gate, so he reversed. Ice was pulled into the fuel lines. Basically, the engines weren't getting any gas.
Flying in any weather is potentially dangerous and this was the Fall October 31 not Winter.
At the time of this accident (Roselawn) I was a regional pilot flying a very close competitor to the ATR series of aircraft; the DeHavilland Dash 8. The "Dash" was not a stellar performer in terms of sales, as the ATR cost less, and flew faster, all while hauling the same amount of paying passengers. No aircraft is without design compromise, even the ATR, as its trans-Atlantic rival (Dash 8)l landed slower, hauled more, incorporated an APU, and handled ice better than its French counterpart. I always wondered how how the ATR fared, as its de-ice boots were minuscule compared to the Canadian Dash 8. Answer... not well.
I always loved flying on QX Dash-8s when i was a kid.
I remember flying in the ATR-72 from Canton, Ohio to Chicago in February, 1993. The temperature was 15 degrees. I absolutely hated that aircraft!
I lived 20 miles away from this crash and when I came home from work I turned on the news to see this. I was a Flight Instructor at the time and I remember how dreadful the weather was.
It's a miracle how some or most people fly from one destination to the other with no incident
Exactly. The older I get, the less I like flying 😮
@@Bex-rg8pj exactly
It’s crazier that you’d have to fly like 25,000 times before you had an incident flying
I would say that more for driving honestly.
You think that a something?
I’ve been driving for over 4 decades in some of the most treacherous conditions- I am still alive!
For three of those years I drove a motorcycle on LA freeways and never became an organ donor.
married to an ER nurse I now realize that is a true miracle 🙏
None of our lost souls died in vain! We've learned so much from their deaths, to make flying today soo much safer. Thank you! 🙏
You're gonna have to convince me harder than that. There's still plane crashes even til this day.
@@michigangirl5072 Yes way too many!
The FAA and other country's Safety Boards always investigate every crash, sometimes for many days, weeks or years, to learn the cause of the crash so that it can be prevented in other flights, making air travel safer. If the cause for the disaster was pilot error (still 85% the cause for fatal air crashes) the pilots history including work history and personal history is delved into thoroughly; if it is a mechanical problem, every aircraft made by the company is investigated and all aircraft of that type, make and model, are GROUNDED until the issue is resolved.
In spite of the aviation disasters, air travel is STILL the safest mode of transportation!
@@mjleger4555The way these companies cut corners today, I'm not convinced that air travel is the safest if nobody at the top 1% is being held accountable. Sorry, but it's going to a lot to convince me.
@@katrinarucker9773 Believe as you wish, nobody cares! I'm not interested in a debate; I could show you stats, and explain to you, but I cannot understand it for you! Adieu.
Halloween 2024 is 30th anniversary (very grim). Audience wishes grieving survivors all the best. Cheers!
Great, the pilots warn of a severe problem and get/s fired…good to know the passengers’ safety is a major concern!
Please, it's money and more money they don't care
How about a plane's de-icing system that works on the plane's wings, and not just on the leading edge -- especially on smaller planes??
EDIT: It really was just an educated guess on my part. The really troubling part is that I came up with this in a couple of minutes (as a corrosion engr,) but the industry took 10+ years to discover.
I totally agree with you.
Fuel tanks are the big problem unless they can redesign it.
ATR-72's are great planes......in warm weather. They have severe cold weather flaws.
I'm not afraid to fly, it's that sudden impact to the ground that worries me.
Simply heartbreaking crash! But all crashes are. The loss is so so great! When it could have been prevented that is when the anger comes up! I can’t stand small planes. I’m sure it’s me but I don’t trust them never have. Only flew on one once from San Juan to St. Thomas.
They weighed each person and their bags, but a white knuckler for me. Terrifying, over shark infested waters. Never again.
My heart breaks for these families. These people can’t be replaced ever.The genes will never line up the same again.
Over 90% of plane crashes can be avoided, horrible fact
I've experienced a long holding pattern around Chicago due to weather. I thought nothing of it (except annoyance) at the time. I may revise that memory...
Why would you "revise" the memory of nothing happening?
Go figure. That pilot get suspended for trying to save lives for sharing facts.
An ATR-42 just crashed in Brazil, went down in a flat spin they suspect Ice at their flt level 12ft. Still investigating
I remember this watching Monday night fball I think the Chicago bears was playing at home...it was rain and freezing rain at that game
The manufacturer ignored physics and scientific proof insisting on pilot error . Total arrogance and as delusional as it gets.
Music ruins it
"Once these airplanes have been exposed to the bad ice, it's too late. Because these are no longer airline pilots; they're test pilots."
Those are some hauntingly true words.
I’ve never trusted those ATRs. Horrible aircraft. 😡 Love the Dash-8s!
The ATRs are fine airplanes, but like every aircraft they do have their Achilles heel. Pilots need to be aware what those issues are and fly them accordingly. This plane does not like ice in any amount.
It's not just the plane's susceptibility to icing. Because of the size and location of the ATR's tail, it is literally impossible to recover from a flat spin, which is the other configuration the plane can get into in severe icing (with Roselawn, it was the more common nose-down spiral.) The ATR that crashed this month (8/24) in Brazil was in a very obvious flat spin before it crashed, and icing is suspected in that crash a well.
Gotta love that manufacturer they have 5 crashs same type of issue and only blame the pilots
The faa rubber stamping the manufacturer say so reminds me of the new Boeing max...... weird.
A “ground-breaking” plane, the narrator said.
Welp, at least Steve Frederick only got suspended and didn't die mysteriously...probably because the ATR wasn't a Boeing plane....
That plane was left in the ice on hold for way too long
Starting the episode by mentioning it's Halloween ☠️
😂
Kinda sets it up for disaster to occur doesn't it. 😢
3:38 "a ground-breaking aircraft" is a somewhat unfortunate phrase.
16 minutes in and I've already had 3 ad interuptions. What the heck is going on with YT?
Now it's 4 in 22 minutes.
5 in 47 minutes
Get premium and that will stop. It, or just watch long enough for one ad to play then drag the bar to the end of the video, then start the video again and the ads won't play.
They want you to pay for their service. If you pay, no more ads. Take your pick.
Pay for it if you watch a lot of RUclips. I do, and to me it’s worth it. I don’t watch any TV.
why did the FAA allow those planes to be bought and flown?
it's their responsibility to have safe planes to be flown
I think the FAA relies on certification from the nation where the aircraft was built. If the FAA had to certify foreign-built aircraft, then foreign nations would demand that US-builr air raft be certified by them.
It seems that holding pattern killed them
Or just a shitty plane
So sad, R.I.P to all perished
Anything should be tested where it is going to be used! not in Florida when it is going to be used in Alaska! My heart goes out for all these people who have died under circumstances beyond their control and their families
I want an item as strong as the black boxes because they never get damaged
There's been 35 ATR 72 crashes with 470 dead since it's first flight in 1988. That actually isn't terrible.
Did the pilot ever get his job back
44:55
Dude in the black suit is terrified 😂
My question is what is "Rime" then? I always thought it was weather conditions for potential icing on aircraft surfaces that could lead to loss of flight controls and spiraling down? FAA was quick apparently to intervene in this case. I have heard the only way Rime is noted is by pilots experiencing Rime then notify ATC and then ATC notify aircraft flying into to the area of potential icing conditions.
Rime is a type of ice. Rough-textured and less dense than clear ice.
21:52 What the heck is that shot? lol. This show has some odd production sometimes, but the subject matter and how they pace it out is addictive.
There should be a law that a airport have a limit on how many planes are landing at or near the same time
Of course, the solution to ALL problems is another law.
Maybe, but how do you enforce that? If the planes are stranded up there, circling in the fog, you can't tell them to come back later!
@MrBsbotto if they have planes circling, they need to tell other planes that have not gotten there to go to the nearest airport until the ones circling are able to land.
@raymondkostanty8634 That law would make more sense than some they have now
What makes you think there aren’t rules in place? It’s when rules aren’t obeyed trouble occurs.
Another informative, in depth presentation. Airline pilot versus Test Pilot !!
HOW SAD
62 people just died a week or two ago in an ATR spiraling down in Brazil. They are talking about icing. today is 08/16/2024. Sad.
The airline attendent’s first day on the job. How awful.
Will we be seeing an episode on the pilot who was high on shrooms?
I don't want to see any of them, because it was me.
I think they need to release all planes and THEOR history and let the customers make the decision if they want to fly on it or not
They dont have to. It's already released. And when you book your flight you can see what the aircraft is. I flew on an Air Wisconsin CRJ into O'Hare
How sad. I pray for all of them
Sad Halloween
I live a few hours south of where this happened. I remember that night well. We had rain, freezing rain and heavy sleet that evening. The very few trick-or-treaters were wearing raincoats and shivering. Not a great night for air travel.
So sad for his wife and everyone on board ✌peaceful peacerest in
I haven't flown since 1997! I have ZERO desire to fly. I prefer taking the train! 🤔🤔🤔🤗
I guess you'll have to wait for them to build the rail link between Alaska and Russia in order for you to get to some major European destinations.
@@Moo2oobI have already visited Europe 1984! Not a fan of long flights !
Here's the thing, no one's promised tomorrow. A person can fly all their life, and never be involved in an accident. While taking a train, or ship, or traveling by car, can still put you six ft under, pushing daisies.
Yeah, its one in 11 million, WAY more often than the powerball jackpot (1:292 million, and that's the BEST odds of thise games!!) , but they'll say "But you don't have to FALL to have the accident still!"
Lightning is only like 1:12,000, incidentally.
Smart man 👌 👍 😊
Anything made in France and if it’s cheaply made then it’s a problem
May all the victims rest in peace.
We got right in on a direct approach at midway in Chicago... of course, we may have had to circle a while if we were flying on all the engines!
II agree with you guys about the result. We need to develop a new system for the ice.
Five ATR-72 crash due ice
American Eagle 4184 - 1994
TransAsia 791 - 2002
Aero Caribbean 883 - 2010
Utair 120 - 2012
Voepass Linhas Aéreas 2283 - 2024
Plus some serious incidents, e.g. Trip Linhas Aéreas 5591 in 2013, stall due ice and fall 5000 feet, but was leveled and after land in destination.
And just think, even though it has no decent deicing gear, they still let that deathtrap fly in North America. I've been to that crash site, even wothout the memorial there you can still feel that something terrible happened there.
So sad
One factor nobody ever seems to focus on when one of the smaller turbo A/C goes in, often due to Icing, is the extremely Short Chords the designers have given their wings----with a more substantial airfoil surface, wing icing might not Crash that many Planes. glr
That’s why I never work on my day off
Why not use a wire filament as heatsink from the engines across the wings? Seems pretty lightweight, and the technology is already used in rear car windshields
Its amazing to me that only supemodels are used to play the female characters in the reenactments
This…. Why I will never get on one of those little prop commuters. I know, jets crash, but these things feel flimsy. I remember this night. Dressed my 3-month-old up like a Dalmatian and went trick or treating. RIP to all.
I flew on one in Malaysia almost a decade ago. We encountered some turbulence midway through the flight. Without our seatbelts we would’ve been thrown around like popcorn.
Poor guys
Don't ever get on an ATR!
I heard about this so many years ago. And it was because their deiser was defective. It wasn't good enough. This is a very dangerous plane should not be flowing, and any kind of cold weather should be only used in Florida or places. That are like Arizona etc.
I believe the ATRs have been move south for the most part.
With weird weather going on, that's just...the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Like the Challenger spacecraft not being able to fly covered in ice! Or Brit cars being stranded by wet weather.
"The air plane's two flight recorders are found intact in the tail." 13:40. at the same time they are rolling the recorders all beat up on a rolling carrier. 😁🤔😁
It’s what’s inside the boxes that matters, not the outside of it. As long as the recording part is intact that’s all they care about.
You'd think they'd just make the PLANE out of this material by now, but what do I know?
@@ravenzyblack My point is the statement "The air plane's two flight recorders are found INTACT in the tail". while they showed them all beat up. Narrators do a tough job by having to keep up with all the details of a story. I know what planes are made of and that investigators concern is to find the recording material in good condition.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823😂👍
17:47 No need to apologize for the delay, apologize for the crash.
The ATR-72 lawn dart.
This one is really just sad
Have you noticed while watching all these Air Disaster vids that foreign governments/agencies/companies (in this case, the French) always deflect blame away from themselves even if they are at fault?
I'm not french, but it seems all company does the same thing. Boeing is notorious to do this too.
The closed captions on this show is less accurate than my talk to text option on my phone. Kind of hilarious some of what it says.
I’ve heard it said that aviation accidents are never considered absolutely closed and I guess from what they said here, that it’s true.
If they were holding to land, the refreshment cart would have been put away long ago
The FAA and other country's Safety Boards always investigate every crash, sometimes for many days, weeks or years, to learn the cause of the crash so that it can be prevented in other flights, making air travel safer. If the cause for the disaster was pilot error (still 85% the cause for fatal air crashes) the pilots history including work history and personal history is delved into thoroughly; if it is a mechanical problem, every aircraft made by the company is investigated and all aircraft of that type, make and model, are GROUNDED until the issue is resolved.
In spite of the aviation disasters, air travel is STILL the safest mode of transportation!
Thumbnail is hilarious 😂