Sidelock, Boxlock And Trigger Plate - Shotgun Actions
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Today we take a look through various action types and the terminology of the parts inside.
We look at side by side sidelock and boxlock and an over and under Beretta and Browning for comparison
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FantasticJonny, I have never seen such a comprehensive description of these actions before. I learnt so much and really appreciate your enthusiasm for the subject matter.
You've succeeded at pouring out more words per minute than any other gun video to my knowledge. Plus you've taught me everything I didn't know about the Beretta design and why I love Brownings the way I do. Thank you for your effort and I'm off to hug my 725 before bed.
Once bought a knackered kestrel side by side boxlock with a broken sear spring . I didn’t know the difference between boxlock / sidelock etc . I took it apart , polished the good parts , made a sear spring and tempered it ( took 2 goes ) . Refinished the timber work and low and behold it worked . Used it in cowboy action shooting before gifting it to a newbie . Still working . I wished I had watched your video first , it would have helped . I have been shooting for years but only recently have gone over to the dark side ( clays ) . Sold all my firearms and bought a couple of Miroku shotguns , first shoot on Sunday , can’t wait 😊. Keep up the videos and the enthusiasm , you rarely see anyone with your enthusiasm for anything shooting wise , maybe capandball . Thank you 🙏
Thanks for this upload, exactly the type of information i like. If you could make a similar video on forcing cones, triple cones and the like it would be great!
We have a forcing cones video coming in the week!
@@tgsoutdoors it would be interesting to do a video about thing you can get you local gunsmith to do to make a off the shelf gun better like polishing parts, jewelling and also what customisation things you can do like pistol grip cap or chrome oval ect, but thats just me lol, like if i had this beretta i would have to get the wood refinished cant have sanding marks in it would drive me insane lol
Hi David,
i like that idea. We may well do a series on it when we get back to vague normality.
'How to improve an Over an Under' - showing the work as we go
Incredible detail, thank you, I am always fascinated with these actions!
John, thank you for this well thought out, and precise bit of information. Your channel has helped those new to both firearms, and to conservation. I can only imagine this is a labour of love.
Thank you TGS now I know the difference between actions. No other video that Ive found has explained this in such detail, while being concise. This will save me several thousand quid; now I know buying a true sidelock and shooting full loads is a terrible idea. Likewise I know the reason some actions are inherently strong, and why some are more expenside, and why the RST Shotshell company's low pressure loads are important to vintage gun operators. BRILLIANT!!!!
Nice upload again I have in the past described Italian style guns as alfa romeo types and Browning Miroku types as hilux discovery and the like I know which one I'd trust to get me home in a storm. Just me maybe
Excellent vid, thanks very much. I'm a designer and ex-fitter but relatively new to shotguns and I'm fascinated by them, especially the older ones.
Good video. A part 2 that explains the development of the trigger plate action by Mc Naughton and later Dickson would be great. Also an explanation of the Beesley (Purdey) action would complete the series.
Best description comparing box lock to side locks. Period.
Wow. I always love your videos. But this one totally satisfied my inner gun geek!!! It was awesome. Thanks.
Great job sir! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge.
9:44 I obfuscated side plate with side lock until you explain it. Thanks Jonny!
Now, this is really worth listening. Superb course. Thank you.
Excellent video! But, I wish you would have shown a Perazzi detachable trigger plate action. They are truly a work of art and magnificent engineering.
This video helped me to unscrew my 1950 Beretta 626, now i can restore the stock and get rid of some old scratches.
The internet is a wonderful thing. I learned a lot. Thanks. Can you go into the details of the Berretta silver pigeon?.
Very informative. I often wondered what all the terms meant and what the differences are. One slight improvement would be to make sure the subject was centered in the camera frame, especially for the small details. Keep safe Jonny!
Great video it’s good to have the actions explained so clearly
Sheltering in place. Knew all that and first video I watched today anyhow. Thanks and stay well.
Brilliant video chaps. Lovely to get an insight into how they work
Glad you enjoyed it mate - any requests for more like this?
@@tgsoutdoors yes absolutely I think having more videos on gunsmithing would be brilliant. I think most people that like shooting love the mechanics of how they work.
thanks for this and expanding my limited knowledge on different actions BRILLIANT
Very informative. It would be very useful to see how to best lubricate each type of action.
Can't wait until watch your next video thank you John and continue good job.
Very much appreciated. Thank you.
A very well done explanation. I was wondering about the difference between my Citori 725 and a 686. Thanks.
The more I learn, the more I love O/U design and engineering
Very interesting video, many thanks. Could the over and under box lock not be described as a centre lock ??
Very interesting and nice to see traditional mechanisms still in use but I am surprised nobody has invented an electronic design for this,
Love the video man, tons of knowledge. I just subbed. I do live chats about guns and just bought a side by side that is in a state of disrepair that I am planning on fixing up. I would love to hear what you know about the J Saive Arms 12 gage side by side. Any way man love the video! Cheers!
Great video. I'm fairly new to all this and appreciate the time you put into these videos. As an aside, you mentioned working on an U/O that appeared to be a side lock...but was actually a side plate with faked pins. I was wondering what was up with the Nikko Grandee, compared to pretty much all of the other Nikko's I'd seen...and now I think I know!
Is there a massive difference between trigger pulls using V springs to that of coil springs, I now shoot a DT10EELL from a 1985 682L, and it has V springs, I find the trigger pull crisper?
Excellent tutorial, very informative.
Great video - would like to see the actual trigger action of the boxlock onto the sear lever. Why? I have a an old C&H SBS, (boxlock/sideplate) that sometimes , the rear triger needs an extra pull upwards to activate the sear. Not always, just sometimes. Unsure, if the problem is at the trigger /sear union, or with the cocking mechansim adjustment. My gun dealer has said they will sort it, when they re-open after the covid crisis. Great video - well done, the more us'shooters; become educated on the actual machanisms of our guns, the better we will understand the art of shooting.
Thank's for this one, very interesting.
Excellent documentation.
Now I see. ...
Couldn' t you possibly explain, how the Front shaft ist working together with the ejectors ?
My lower Barrel ejector is stuck on my 686 Onyx and my DT11
Thanks TGS and Johnny......excellent teaching on shotgun actions....Great Job!
Very instructive! Thanks a lot!
Very interesting and informative, thank you.
More educational stuff - very cool - love watching it 😎👍
Glad you enjoyed it mate
Great video - extremely informative.
Could you do one on mounting a scope properly?
Thanks, learned a lot.
One more great video, One thing when this lockdown had ended if you have the time to reshoot with a camera person would just help the video. So interesting subject and nicely explained. Very hard to shoot be your self. Thanks keep well.
Question John. What is the best way to get info on a shotgun? I have a side-by-side with side locks with the Manufacturer name of Springfield Arms Co I'm having a hell of a time trying to find out anything about this old shotgun.
Very interesting video,thank you.
Very interesting, thanks very much for that
Thank you, Johnny!
I see you have the same engineers steel rule as me. I use the cheaper ones now as every time I buy a good Rabone rule some bloody chimp tea leafs it. Nice colours on that yeoman, mines not got a stitch left on it. Question...could you put yeoman barrels of a 1960s vintage in a hot caustic bath to re-black them? Or would the ribs shit them bed and fall out?
Hi John,
Thank you for your videos. For relatively new starters like me your videos a like a window into the world that we like, weather what gun to chose, how to look after it or clean it, how to store it. etc...
They are very informative and entertaining to watch.
This video in particular is very interesting and informative. (Ill probably watch it a few times more :) )
because of self isolation i have nothing to do and get quite bored to be honest. Yesterday i removed firing pins from my Miroku MK 38 to clean them and to see if i could put whole thing together again (Something i would never thought i would do. :). As i said "Bored".
I have a big request for you, if you have time to make a video about gun longevity . As a gunsmith you have insight and knowledge that we don't.
The questions most interest me, how long will my gun last me? i shoot approximately 1000 cartilages a month. Some people say the gun can last a life time... But they may shoot a few hundred cartridges a year, whereas when you're into sporting, you shoot in a year as much as others shoot in their life time.
Can you please help answer this question?
Thank you.
Michael Kazaryan unlike rifles shotguns have no rifling that can wear out, if you look after and keep a shotgun clean it should last you for many years no matter how many cartridges you put through it.
@@HJDore Thank you. I do look after my gun as best i can. I clean it after each shoot, keep it in a sock inside the cabinet, (mostly to avoid banging it on the the side of cabinet). But you are right smooth bore should not be waering as much as rifiled barrels.
Thank you pal, i apretiate it.
Just buy a Perazzi. Easily get 400000 rounds use out of it.
Where did you learn all this technical stuff?
Jonny is a gunsmith....
When you've put it all back together.
And find you've a lever, spring & 2 screws....
😂 not happened in a while
Like the old joke about the guy who rebuilds a car, and has enough parts left over to build a scooter for his wife.
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Brilliant video, i do think Browning's feel more "solid" compared to Beretta's. In my opinion, Brownings feel better engineered out of the two brands.
I have a Sig Arms o/u Aurora TR 30 imported from Italy to the USA..... Is it a side lock or is it a box lock with side plates.. i think it is made by B. Rizzini
All very interesting, but on your demonstration of the boxlock Anson and Deeley you had the cocking limb the wrong side of the striker, it would only cock on closing the gun that way round. Also, I cannot see how you think the sidelock is the weaker, it has the advantage of two steel plates(the locks), bracing the sides of the head, which are fixed through with a pin, this gives an immense strength to the head which is not present on a boxlock, the bars are cut away that is true, but not on a back action sidelock, which is why that method is used on a double rifle, then we look at the over and under, which with either the Trigger plate or Boxlock has fully 75% of the wood cut away at the head to accommodate the action, and with very little holding the cheeks together unless the front is undercut with a dovetail to prevent them spreading, yet they are still considered as "strong actions", steel is stronger than wood, the only reason the boxlock is more common is that it is cheaper to produce. Stay safe! Chris B.
Could you do a video on single shotguns the action types and why people should by one
Really informative for somebody new like me, great stuff!
A pleasure, glad we can help
Some side by sides have a second lever on the left side of the action above the triggers. What is the purpose of that second lever?
A cocking indicator.
Well done
Enjoyed that very much. Many thanks. Any thoughts on firing pin durability? My miroku eats them!
An issue with Miroku firing pins. It’s not a particular fault in the design, and is mostly aesthetic. You can buy some exciting material ones that will give you some extra life but it’s down to you.
@@tgsoutdoors Thanks very much. That's good to know. Do you sell them?
We do not I’m afraid, I have made them in the past but they end up rather expensive. I was going to get a friend with an engineering firm to make me up a batch of titanium alloy ones to see if they are an improvement.
Good, but, not given your choice, which is better at pulling the trigger, and long lasting, durable,
with better steel, Belgians, English, Italians, Germans or Russians, or Turkey is still the best.
I always wondered about actions & you just summed it up quite nicely, well done.. you should probably teach classes, Your very thorough & Knowledgeable.
Which beretta is that?
"As you can see..." nope can't actually you're out of frame! Haha
All joking aside I've been wondering about the differences for some time so great to learn! Thanks
Regardless of the action design, have you ever seen a shotgun receiver fail and become unsafe (crack, separate, blow apart, etc.)?
Instructive Johnny. Thank you. But slow down on your talking and use a fine tipped pointer please?
The only other thing that could improve your video is more close ups, but I understand your cameraman is kinda unavailable!🙄
I feel that I've missed the introductory video and struggle to understand what half of the terms actually mean....
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Nice video, would have been awesome if the focus was right on the action rather than the leather below.
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Generally informative, but would have been easier to follow if you had slowed down your speech, used a real pointer, and kept actions and triggers pointed in same direction at all times.
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Dont like it reminds me of how our generation struggle with this level of craftsman ship but know Windows products inside out . Were at a stage where the average man cant produce 99% of the items we use without a large decked out lab /machineshop & chunk of land .
Late stage capitalism, with a highly specialized workforce. There are plenty of people who can still make these guns, any competent machinist and woodworker could make a custom firearm.
If our economy were not so specialized, we would have far far far less free time.