@Offset because they do have good stuff. For example "your new favorite club", "derby days" and "for the price of". But these are uncommon videos. But what makes they different from DW is that they have a different editing style that's has more of a feel of a video made by super fans and DW editing style is more documentary which is great too. I love both because of those reasons. In terms of substance DW has more quantity in terms of good content.
@@dwkickoff Did nobody mention that the Turkish clubs have no money or when they do Fifa FFP, break-even rules make the club worse. Barcelona is a good club. Why? Cuz they are spending MONEY. Besiktas played CL 1/16 with a team made with profit and loan or free players!
I went to Turkey I toured the stadium with a terrific atmosphere One of the best parks Vodafone the best fans in the world, the best club Besiktas in Turkey.
Slaven Bilic once said about the Turkish League: Those who have an idea, dont have rights and those who have rights, have no idea. He is talking about the corrupt Turkish football federation
LOL! Nigeria have so much potential too. Amazing talent pool. What a team they had back in 1996, the Super Eagles! 😍🇳🇬💪 What has happened since then, kilo kola?
@@dwkickoff It really is shameful but I believe with the right people in place, we will take our football to where it should be. I envy the passion Turkish fans have got for their teams. Want to see passionate fans like this in Ilorin Township stadium rooting for Kwara United one day.
@Junjun yeah I always wondered how Nigeria could perform so well in the youth tournaments but we never hear any of them break into the big European teams.
@@altaafghaboos5246 they do break into european teams.. recently you have wilfried ndidi, tammy abraham, tomori, angelo ogbonna, iheanacho... etc. Decent players and only 2 of them are available for Nigeria
Ah it is for this that in Turkey there are clubs that have won against Real, manchester, juventus, Inter, liverpool? And I guess you don’t know Fatih Terim, senol gunes ....
Turkey is not a balkan country Balkans are Greece Bulgaria, Serbia ,Kosovo, Fake Macedonia,Rumania,Bosnia,Croatia. Her History is associated with this countries and that doesn't mean its a Balkan country
Lloyd Gittens well when you go abroad you behave and respect the culture otherwise expect the unexpected! Nobody agreed having them murdered but these things happened many other places in Europe wherever the English went !
there’s one part that you’re really wrong is the salute. it has NOTHING to do with supporting erdoğan. i’ve never supported erdoğan but i’ll do the salute any day especially if they’re fighting for our safety. it’s something we do to show our love for our soldiers and to make them feel they’re not alone. kaan ayhan didn’t do it because he knew he’d get criticized harshly in germany. it’s never about the minister. good documentary tho, thanks for the good wishes
Hi Ulas, thank you for your feedback and the clarification. Most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said the same. We actually learned so much on this trip, one thing is that it is a special gesture for many Turks, a gesture to honour the soldiers. It's probably very similar to the US where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in many other parts of the world, it was perceived critically because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions.
%100 agreed. Its not about politic or related with Erdogan. It’s special characteristic for all Turkish people. We can do salute in everywhere in every situation. Especially if the our country in hard times and needed to support our soldiers.
@@dwkickoff, as emperialist countries you go on supporting terrorist PKK and to reflect your point of wiev everwhere , if from your borders a terrorist organization like PKK ( PKK and Turkish citizen Kurdish ethnicity is different , we have no problem with them if they do not support PKK ) attack to Germany , England , America , France etc. and kill your soldiers , teachers , polices , you never forgive them but when it happens in Turkey , you are aşways on the side of terrorists , we have got the right to be both in Northern Syria and Northern Iraq because PKK attacks to Turkey from there , so stop always showing Turkey as a terorist state and the terorists as hero because you emperialist never want a strong Turkey , you proved this in history.
Pretty neat documentary! The case of Germany-born Turks is fairly interesting, the mentalities are polar opposites of each other. Turkey with its emotional and passionate attempt and Germany with its pragmatic, systematic and cool-headed ideals. As you've said correctly, combining the best of both worlds should be the path to follow for Turkey - even if it means to swallow their pride sometimes
@@dwkickoff Up until a month or two ago, we thought we had a decent shot b/c we thought it was a favorable draw playing the tournament opening game in Italy and then 2 "home" games in Azerbaijan. And once you have a good momentum building up, with a talented set of players, anything is possible. And we had a group of players that could put their egos aside and perform as a team (in contrast to the travesty that happened in Euro2016). Then came the serious injuries of players such as Merih Demiral (who was named the heart of the team, because he gave 100% in every game and in one of the games still kept playing even after his jersey got ripped) and Cenk Tosun (who is one of the most experienced and professional striker we have atm) announced that they'd be missing the tournament and at least personally, I had to lower my expectations. Now with things delayed one year, who knows ;) Because we tend to find our motivation in emotions, we have almost always been a better final tournaments team where you can hype players for a period of 2-3 weeks and 5-6 consecutive games. When you are playing the qualification phase, you need that professional and clinical, "go and get the job done" mentality for 2 games every few months, which we lacked until this latest set of players. That's one of the reasons why Turkey failed to qualify to so many tournaments. On a good day, we can play head to head with the best of them, France, Spain, Croatia you name it. But we also find it in us to play head to head with other teams coming from pots 3 to 5. I imagine it is part of Turkish culture/mentality to do just enough to survive the day, which usually was not enough to reach the finals. Sorry for going off topic a bit :)
When I see Germany play it somehow reminds me of their hi tech manufacturing plants like BMW, Daimler etc. Clinical, precise, no nonsense while Latin American ones are like third world factories: Hit or miss depending on the day...
I used to root for Turkey in Fifa 2002. The generation of fast pace game: Hassan Sas, Hakan Sukur, and my favourite goalkeeper, Rustu. After that, Turkish football lost its steam. What happened?
Hey man, thank you for your feedback. You're absolutely right, on the other hand though the big three from Istanbul are popular everywhere as Didem Dilmen said in the film. We know Trabzon are doing a lot right recently, but we didn't use it in the film since we focused on Istanbul's big three and the national team. They're the most popular clubs and they represent Turkish football as a whole with all its ups and downs and structural problems. A really interesting question we couldn't get answered was why aren't other Turkish clubs looking at Trabzon and Altinordu and take them as an example? What do you think...?
@@dwkickoff Trabzonspor really take care of young players and raise them, make them great players for the club. Istanbul teams don't do that, they addicted to buy players from outside.
DW Kick off! Trabzonspor has always been a club that gives chances to the youth players, especially the last couple of years and as we can see it has a positive working for the club, but also with this young players we can feed the national team. If we come to your question, I don’t think I can give you a answer as well. But I think all clubs do want succes in a short term, they have no patience. So they choose to buy old players with experience, and have no believe in their youth, and it keeps going like this every season for them. I think Trabzonspor is at the moment the best for youth players. Gives them much chances, sells them to European clubs, make money, feeds national team.
Eine richtig sachliche Doku. Als jemand der den Türkischen Fußball kaum verfolgt fand ich die Art der Berichterstattung insbesondere die Sachlichkeit und die Neutralität richtig gut gelungen..
@@dwkickoff das nächste mal recherchiere richtig ! Nichts was das national Team betrifft is politisch. So ne gute Doku und dann aber doch wieder bissel versteckt hetzen wollen. Muss man ja immer gegen die Türkei.
Lol you could see the fear in their eyes when they had to comment on the whole erdogan salute situation. Their biggest star had to flee from Turkey in order to save himself from political prosecution, damn....
Before they started talking about politics, it felt like a documentary on the issues of Mexican football. 1) Short term success is too important. fans booing their own young players that have a bad game. 2) The pressure that the media creates by overhyping and then severely criticizing players that they themselves put the pressure onto. 3) The fact that the fans are simultaneously really proud of their national team and really disappointed. 4) I saw the lack of perspective that I recognize in Mexico in these Turkish fans statements. They think they will make it; become one of the great football powerhouses because they have talented young players coming up but they don't realize that the real powerhouses have so many more prospects and a stage for them to grow appropriately. Just this week, there was "controversy" because two players in Mexico went out to dinner with girls. It's ridiculous the spotlight that we put on our prospects.
It's funny to see your comment cause a few days ago I was thinking about similarities between Turkish and Mexican fans. Extremely proud, arrogant and immature. Their own teams must feel too much pressure
Spot on. When accounting for population, diaspora population, history, and resources, I think Mexico and Turkey both punch below their weight more than any other country in world football.
Marlboro Rot turkey has an incredibly strong military that trumps any rag tag group of militants in syria. He has no business taking kurdish territory, he is asking for more trouble by flexing his muscle.
Emperialist countries accuse Turkey and saying what you are doing in Syria but they never take into consideratin 4 milllion Syrian refugees in Turkey , we are trying to clean the border from terrorists and send back to them to a safe place , we have that right , but they prefer to be on the side of PKK , they love and give support to terrorists in order to hurt Turks as they do not love Turks.
I loved this documentary. Situation is very similar in many Latin American countries. Big population, very passionate but miles away from being a powerhouse. Like Mexico, Colombia, and others with less population Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Ecuador, and appart from the current golden generation, Chile.
Hi Carlos, you're absolutely right! Very passionate indeed. Have you seen our other documentaries yet? Mexico: ruclips.net/video/_kwrKUUKCu8/видео.html And about Colombia?: ruclips.net/video/nQheV-yp2Qk/видео.html
When you're passionate and in delusion, it means that you're far apart from the mentality. It's about hooligans not about football. When there's heart instead brain, you don't expect an efficient outcome.
Turkey always had huge potential in football. They had quite a good number of talented youngsters. But for the reasons mentioned, they faded away very easily. But this tendency is breaking apart with players like Cengiz Under, Merih Demiral, Caglar Soyuncu not being enticed by Big 3 but rather chosing to pursue a career in Europe. That worked out and now many players will be eager to follow their path. Excited to see Turkish national team in 2-3 years 🇹🇷
Turkey's national team has done quite well at International tournaments the last few years, still have potential to do more but wouldn't say they've been unsuccessful by any means.
Hi Osman, thank you for your comment. Here's a short explanation why Erdogan is in the film. Erdogan is a football fan himself and like many other politicians around the world he uses football as a tool to deliver political messages or a certain image. Erdogan used to be very close with Hakan Sükür, he even attended his first wedding. Sükür is probably the best and most successful player Turkey has ever seen. But as we know today things got complicated and Sükür is now an enemy of the state as he's a member of the Gülen movement. That's a sign that politics is everyhwere in Turkey, even involved in sports. And that leads to the next topic, the military salute. We found out and have shown in the film that the military salute has nothing to do with Erdogan, it is widely seen as a gesture to honour the soldiers. That's why we have those expert opinions in the film explaining exactly that. It's similar to the US perhaps, where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. On the other hand though there's a political context to it. The salute was made on a football pitch and, that's important to mention, during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive started by Erdogan was criticized broadly by the UN, the EU and other institutions as a violation of international humanitarian law. Some players explicitly mentioned the soldiers fighting in that offensive afterwards in one of the press conferences. So, politics again /: Stay healthy and have a nice day!
@@dwkickoff Everyone knows how close Erdogan and Gülen once was. Sükür is a Gülenist and everyone knows that. No one can deny this. It hasn't to do with critisizim or his twitter post. Erdogan is a huge fan of football and the bad decisions at turkish football has nothing to do with Erdogan. The managers want to be every year the champion so they are not investing in future. They buy old players ho can play 1-2 years and than they lefting the club. Do you ever ask yourself why no foreign player can speak turkish? If you are playing in germany, italy, spain or england you have to learn the language. In turkey it doesn't matter if you can speak turkish.. I live in germany and the germans have a problem with erdogan. Because of that they critisize the salute. Kaan Ayhan were critisized because of his salute. So he doesn't repeat it. You can see it if you look at the former st. Pauli player Cenk Sahin. They lynched him. They say football and politics don't have to be combined but this rule is just fot turkish footballers who likes erdogan. If you are against him you are able to speak about politics.
They are very proud people but also very intrigued about your own personal story. I was there in September and I still get messages from people there wishing me well. My elderly Grandmother lives there and she never had to look over her should walking home at night ever.
As an Englishman I'd love to see a Turkish club win UCL for once. Some great clubs coming out of Turkey, Galatasaray, Fenerbache, Besiktas. Sick of seeing only Spanish, German, English clubs winning.
bro that 2002 world cup was crazy... Senegal in the quarter-final...south korea knocking out italy and spain to get to the semis...and of course turkey getting third! My god the memories
@@dwkickoff To be fair I don't think he's serious. That's a catchphrase BJK fans been using on social media. Remember the player unveiling video with techno background music from a couple years ago? 😹
As a Croatian I still sadly remember Euro 2008. Turkey as a complete underdog really shook up that year Euro. And with their squad now, I'm certain that they can make breakthrough at Euro 2021 too. Hope we meet late at the tournament again 🇭🇷🤞🇹🇷 oh yes, and I'm really looking forward to hear Ceddin deden at the stands, atmosphere you bring is amazing ;)
In turkey military salute is not politic stuff. "We are born soldier we are die soldier" We believe so. And the government is not important on situation. if our soldiers die for our homeland we all respect them
Great episode, thanks for the good content. The reason behind the misunderstanding of "the salute" is that it's not a political gesture for Turkish people. On the contrary, it's one of few things that unite different political fractions. Just because Erdogan started doing it to milk votes, doesn't mean salute is his political gesture. Players do it as a respect if there are recently fallen soldiers, not to show support for a party. Turkish people can be more emotional when their soldiers fall because every boy serves for the army since the peasants won the War of Independence and everybody probably knows someone or someone's son who is serving at anytime, including the athletes.
Hi B B, thank you for the feedback and your analysis! That's what most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said as well. It's a gesture to honour the soldiers, very similar to the US for example where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in Western Europe, as you might know, it is seen in a different way. It was perceived critically especially because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions. Can you understand the other perspective or do you see it differently?
@@dwkickoff First of all, thank you for the video, i enjoyed watching it. It was really nice to see that you interviewed local experts for this. But i strongly believe that you should have included in the video that the salute is NOT a political gesture in Turkey. The video makes it seem like it represents support for Erdoğan, which is definitely not true. Bit of background info: I am an atheist, feminist progressive and, as you might guess, I stand against everything Erdoğan stands for. Our founder, Atatürk, famously advised "science and scientific thought should be the guide in life" but Erdoğan is replacing that with outdated dogmatic beliefs. He's acting against the secular, egalitarian foundations of our republic and probably the biggest problem of living under Erdoğan is freedom of speech. I'm against Erdoğan and I'm against our military involvement in Syria. But I do support the salute, because it is not about Erdoğan; it is about the people who have lost their lives fighting against fundamentalist terrorist factions there. It's not about politics, it's a gesture of empathy for those people. I'm glad that you ended your comment above with the question "Can you understand the other perspective?" That is key in every conflict. I can see that for the people outside of Turkey who don't approve of Erdoğan organizing military action in Syria, the footballers' gesture can look like they're showing support for Erdoğan and his decisions. But that is just not the case here: it isn't a political gesture, it's deeply emotional, untainted by politics. It's of pure human compassion; of gratitude for those who risk their lives abroad so that you can be safe at your home. (And safety is a big issue here in Turkey: Neighbouring the Middle East, it's scary to know that there is war just across the border.) I don't know what everyone on the production team for this video thinks, but I wanted to provide you a different perspective, that's all. I know this has been a looong comment, but if you've read so far, thank you :) Cheers from Turkey!
Football Fan I love Erdogan, he is the best president ever Turkey had in his modern time, now thats for sure! Dont believe this Dönme Atatürk, who wants to forget the history of the turkic muslim people in anatolia and before, thats why he called him the Ata of the turks, which is technically not true! He even wasnt a turk, he was jewish descendants, sabbatayist, also called dönme!
Guys, seriously, Turkey have more teams then 3. I wonder how they didn't tell Trabzonspor. Turkey has Trabzonspor,Bursaspor,Altınordu and more Anatolian teams. If you just look only 3 club, you can never understand why Turkey is not so succesful. Anatolia needs much more interest.
Bir sivassporlu olarak, trabzonspor türk futbolunda anadolunun temsilcisi olmuştur. He bu arada şike her takıma yapılıyor. Biz geçen sezon ilk 22 hafta penaltı kullanmadık.
The only Reason that German Turkish player didnt do that celebration is because his german team would kick his ass out of the club. But its funny because germans always say "freedom of speech". I respect the Love Turks have for their Country.
for the development of turkish football: -Young talents -Clubs should dont have debt(besiktas,fenerbahçe and galatasaray) -Anatolian clubs should play for the championship
I went to Turkey I toured the stadium with a terrific atmosphere One of the best parks Vodafone the best fans in the world, the best club Besiktas in Turkey.
What a nice documentation again man😍🇹🇷. i always waited for people, who are loving the football and bring out football documentations like this, now you are on yt and my dream comes true👍🏼you listenend to my advice from the comment under the czech republic video, thank you❤👌
A Bronze medal from 2002 WC. A Bronze medal from 2005 Confederations Cup. A Bronze medal from EURO 2008. That’s still a better performance than England since the century started. 😁
@@mlvsls83 You guys beated us at home in 2004. That was disappointing.. :-) Your clubs play well but they don´t go anywhere, like ours. What a country Greece is. Beautiful beyond belief.
Have always told my mexican friends (I'm turkish) that mexico is actually quite like turkey. Not only in football, but also about the people, education, problems, government, etc Whenever I talked to them about turkey or mexico, we found out about the similiarities
I think the answer is very simple: Turkey is yet to become an economic powerhouse per capita terms. It is still a middle income country with nominal GDP/Capita at 9.370,18 USD (2018). Hence clubs, with some exceptions, lack the financial resources that ones on French, German, Italian, Spanish side have. I think this very general information suffices to explain many things, ranging from a corrupt football federation to 'not being so successful on the international stage'. We have to look at Turkish football not through the standards we assign to La Liga, Serie A, Bundes & Premier, but value it in its economic and financial context. In this way, one can truly appreciate Turkish football and value its achievements. As for the national team's past performance, this video provides a good answer.
DW Kick off! At least in what militarism is concerned we Portuguese are quite the opposite. Hope that at least in that respect we can be an example, or not.
@@martytu20 Nah it's just really top heavy. Everyone in Portugal knew Felix was star but he was only given respect when he had a big price tag, same thing with Bruno Fernandes, Ronaldo etc. But its dominated by the big 3 just like in Spain with Real, Barça and Atletico. Fc Porto, Benfica and Sporting win almost everything but one thing I've noticed with the inflation of players prices is that small teams in Portugal have more expensive players so the big 3 can't buy absorb all the talent and with a few good transfers small teams can improve and start to compete more. It's going to become better in the future if it doesn't become corrupt because of the "new money"
@@dwkickoff His son is talented too and he works very hard to improve, apparently Hagi jr doing well at Rangers FC, honestly his name is weighting heavily for the moment, but pressure is good in football, also last year at Euro U21, Romania reached the semi finals, Hagi jr contributed a lot so did his father (he has a lot of academies and he owns Viitorul FC, with whom he won the title in the top division) thanks to them we are hopeful that a wonderful generation will come, just like Turkey! Best thoughts and stay safe!
@@Bomboclaat010 i really enjoyed his football at Galata in early 2000s, I remember when they won the UEFA cup, amacing memories, amazing team! Greetings my friend!
@@schwarzfooty Yeah, he was pretty impressive at the U21 Euro. Hope Romania can return to glory days and impress us in the future, Florin. Stay safe and healthy as well!
you need to know: 1- There is no tension in the Turkish National Team. The Kaan Ayhan incident is quite normal. 2- Soldier salute is not a political situation. The goal that has been in the FIFA series for years is the joy. 3- Hakan Şükür is our legendary football player, but he is with the terrorist organization. 4- The military incident in Syria is not a war, but a defense. 5- I propose to research and make a video more accurately. 6- We have players born in Germany, but they are all Turkish family members. On the other hand; İlkay Gündoğan, Mesut Özil, Emre Can are Turkish directly in the German National Team. You should also pay attention to this. 7- You have misrepresented Galatasaray stadium of the video. It also has a place on your video, even supporters of Galatasaray of Turkey's most intense fan group. Sad.
Hi Ahmet, thank you for your analysis and the clarification. That's what most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said as well. It's a gesture to honour the soldiers, very similar to the US for example where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in many other parts of the world, it was perceived critically especially because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions. We didn't take any sides on the matter, we just described what happened. We talked to Turkish journalists and experts to show the Turkish perspective. So in the end, it's not biased at all. Have a nice day!
@@dwkickoffhe is true, Galatasaray is the team that has the most fans with 25,9 million only in Turkey ( in cyprus we all support one of the teams in turkey)
Simple answer for this mess is easy... Its not what you know its about WHO you know... If Turkiye wants to be a powerhouse they need to get rid of this mindset or ideology.. EQUAL opportunity needs to prevail.
Without having watched the video just yet, I'd say a part of the reason is that Turkey is in the same boat as England; youngsters often don't get much of a chance because the top clubs prefer to attract more experienced foreigners that are more likely to perform well straight away. As a result, these youngsters don't develop themselves as well as when they would have gotten a chance when they're coming out of the youth academy at age 17-21, and that lack of playing time at the highest level in such a crucial part of their careers reflects itself in the national team. You now see that more and more British young players are going abroad for their experience at top flight level, with Sancho obviously being the most well known example. Maybe it's time for Turkish players to do something similar, it seems to have done Caglar Soyuncu and Merih Demiral well. :)
@@dwkickoff My point pretty much stays the same. :D Create an environment in which youngsters can develop without it being over for them after 1 or 2 poor games, and at least half of the work is already done. Other than this, I can imagine youngsters that actually have grown up in Turkey (but for example also those in countries like Morocco and Algeria) have somewhat lost hope, when they see a significant amount of players being called up for the national team that are born or otherwise at least raised in different (mostly European) countries rather than in Turkey. Finally, involving politics into football obviously doesn't help things either, especially when the 'president' is pretty much being put on the same pedestal as the founding father of the country... but okay, that's something the Turkish will have to deal with themselves.
2 years ago in Romania, FRF , took decision that every team from the first league to play with an U21 player in the first eleven in every match ... results? Romania U21 qualify for Euro 2019 (Italy) final tournament , and was no.3 from 12 teams in the final ranking ,and qualify for Olympic games ,with Spain,Germany and France. FRF increased the pressure this year and now they want that every romanian team from the first league to play with ... 2 players U21 in the first 11! ... the problem now is that everything is cancelled because "corona" ... damn it !
Ahhh man, during this isolation I need more material like this! Please, I want more! Look, Turkey finished 3rd in 2002 and made it to the semis in 2008. Not too bad. Football isn't easy. Loads of talented countries don't win big trophies (Spain never won anything until recently.) Seems like Turkey should invest heavily in the coaching development and let that be the impetus for the transformation that seems inevitable.
They are not Erdogan supporters. "Salute" isn't a way to show your support to Erdogan. You can play for national team and "Salute" even you being opposed to Erdogan.
Hi Shinigami, that's true actually and an interesting perspective. We were not accusing all the players of being Erdogan supporters. Some of them are, some of them are not. But what we tried to do is to show the Turkish perspective you rarely get in the Western media for example, that's why we were talking to journalists and experts in Turkey. Internationally the salute was seen critical though because of the political context. The salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive was criticzed by the UN, the EU and Amnesty International. UEFA does not allow political gestures and that's why it made headlines.
Man I feel for Turkey, Greece, Portugal, they have the best crowds, craziest environments and they play with there hearts. When you’re a spectator you don’t want to go to a game that’s like a funeral, you want to feel alive and part of an army that’s sparks the craziest memories, which they are full of. Just last week Pep talked about doing it for the fans, and it’s obvious that if situations were better suited for players they wouldn’t be in England. Economy is the biggest key in my eyes. If they could pay even average fees they would attract a lot more better players.. corruption won’t allow it though.
DW Kick off! Firstly thank you so much for doing this guys! You’ve always been amazing at DW and we the YT community love it... I believe the funding in the prem does play a part but it’s not to blame at all. We are stupid either way even if the Prem wasn’t being pummeled with currency from everywhere. The sooner these countries big teams accept they are not Real, Bayern, PSG, or Man city I think they will slowly improve. They have to look at the situation from a place where they can accept what they are firstly. Gone are the days of Decos Porto or Alex Fenerbahce, even Besiktas was doing very well just three seasons ago but made very poor economic choices and now has offloaded most of that squad from 2 years ago. So sad 🤦♂️. I honestly think Ugur Karakullukcu said it best in this documentary and Hamit touched on it when they said there is actually an overload of young talent and the nations are wasting it. I can’t speak for greece or for Portugal I’m sure some natives from there will back me up but I know back in 2017 my stupid retarded team dropped Merih Demiral to hold onto two fossils for defenders, and I think that’s what it’s going to come too. They need to focus on youth development and scouting... ive seen boys from this nation with such talent and class that most could EASILY go pro in a big league, but if there’s noones bloody seeing it or picking them up there passion dies, and we end up with pessimistic fans looking to just pay another known player who is washed up which gets them nowhere. You end up with scouts from Sassuolo and Roma or Nac Breda coming and stealing your talent without them getting a chance to give back to the league. So really it’s poor decision making and a mentality run on just profit which kills it for the passionate spectators.
DW Kick off! The problem is they don’t watch how Borussia Dortmund do it, they don’t watch how Monaco did it prior to changing there mentality. Shaktar!!!! RB Leipzig, we could give endless examples and half of them is going to be German 🤣 so I know you understand me... Fenerbahce isn’t run by King MBS, it’s not owned by a multi billionaire, but they have a worse attitude then them sometimes. ✌️
@@billymcdonnell11 Maybe a problem with Dortmund and Monaco as an example is they are selling clubs traditionally, they build a great squad full of exciting young talent and then sell them.
DW Kick off! :( 2008 Fenerbahce was in the top 20 richest clubs, ranked 18th, now they are only in 698 million euros in debt.... the difference in worth is approximately 1.1 billion pounds in just over a space of 7 years.. So to be honest I know I’m thinking subjective to my own team but I would love to have Dortmunds mentality for a while, atleast the scouting is pretty good, they are always dangerous in every league and they make a profit. Either way one thing cannot be denied, hard work pays off and you’ve done an amazing job with this video! PS. If you know Christoph Daum tell him to come back... we need a crazy man like him! 💙💛💙💛
I remember Turkey in the 1980s and early 1990s Turkey were really bad. There was regular big defeats but in 1996 they qualified for Euros and there was a massive improvement, but seems to have gone no better since 2008.
DW Kick off! 2 mins away from a PK shoot out to go the euro finals, albeit against the Germans...Turkey usually has a hard time qualifying bc they are in the group with Spain and German but once they quality they usually “passion” their was for a deep run.
My brother the military salute has nothing to do with Erdogan. The salute was because our soldiers died. To stand in solidarity with our soldiers who went to Syria to fight against terrorism. To protect our country! A salute is the least we can do to support the men in war who earn very little. While football players earn millions to play savely with a ball, the soldiers protect our country with their life against terrorism.
Hi Hitz Abi ;) we know it is seen that way in Turkey. That's why we were talking to journalists and experts to show the Turkish perspective you rarely get in the Western media. Internationally the salute was seen critical though because of the political context. The salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive was criticzed by the UN, the EU and Amnesty International. Besides that, UEFA does not allow political gestures and that's why it made headlines. No offense, we were just describing what happened. Stay safe and healthy!
Turkish Football Teams have one problem -wrong transfer policy-. They were spend too much money for useless players. Also they dont care young players. In the turkey too many talented young players have but the big teams are not giving chance. If they had a chance, now Turkish football would be like Portuguese football.
Good shout, man! That's one of their main problems. Falcao, Kruse, Boateng - all the signings they made recently. Could have been Turkish players from the youth ranks. You think the Portuguese league is a good example, Polat?
DW Kick off! yes, because portugal football brought many stars to today's football (Bruno,Ronaldo,Semedo etc...) and we can see lot of portuguese players nearly all leagues
That’s so true the Super Lig is focused of signing players past their prime that the younger players would go to countries like Germany, or the Netherlands
Edward Kelly yeah the Super Lig has become like the MLS of Europe. Only difference is that MLS signs legends while Turkey signs players who have just fallen off. Either way it’s not good, Turkish teams need to start giving their youngsters a chance or else they will never become a football powerhouse.
Spent more than a month working with players from various clubs in the Super Lig, the passion of the fans in Turkey is second to none, have never seen anything else like it
Well, Mesut Özil, Emre Can and Ilkay Gündogan chose to play for the German national team. But if you count them all the Turkish national team probably had more players born in Germany...
DW Kick off! To be honest, Half of the German Squad are not even German. Sane, Gnabry, Boateng, the turkish people and more.. They wouldnt be successful without these Players.
@@ultraslan1502 Sané, Gnabry and Boateng have German mothers and were born and raised in Germany, so I don't quite understand your point. You can't just decide who's German or not by some arbitrary metric you formed according to your worldview. Being German is not tied to genetics. An ethnic asian person, who is part of the German culture, is more German, than an American, who left Germany some 200 odd years ago and thinks that Germany is somehow this weird caricatural mix of old-school Bavarian and swabian customs like pretzels and the Oktoberfest.
13:04 The Turkish military is in Syria not for occupation, but for the destruction of terrorist elements. And I am one of those soldiers too. I hope you get rid of these wrong thoughts as soon as possible. respects.
The 2002 WC Turkey roster was full of very talented players. Turkey took Brazil into deep waters, it was a neck-to-neck battle till the very end when the Korean referee(i think everyone watching games in the far east that summer remembers many refs, Italy, Spain....)made a grave mistake gifting the Brazilians a penalty, but the Oscar went to Rivaldo for the finale.
The main Problem is that everybody in Turkey is talking in the Football shows. There is a Man who is Justice and Politician Expert and also a Footballexpert. HOOOW?? I really do not understand why People watch them on TV.
Greece and Turkey will forever be countries punching above their weight, but they unfortunately will never be powerhouses due to too much passion, a situation very similar to the rest of Eastern Europe. Great documentary!
Thank you for your feedback, Chris! Is it just too much passion? On the other hand you could argue teams like Croatia also have a lot passion. They're punching above their weight and passion even lead them to the WC final...
Greece is more of a rugby league nation than soccer , currently 11th in the world in the rugby league world rankings , in soccer around 60th in the world
MonkeyDoubleBackFlips There is no soul in Greece that knows about Rugby. In all of honesty, Greece might be more of a basketball nation (with a silver medal in the FIBA World Cup and two EuroBasket titles; top 10 in the world too), but the Euro 2004 win caused a footballing uproar. More kids started playing Football, clubs began having late runs in European Competitions (AEK, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos), and clubs gained great followings (The Greek Top 6 have some of the fiercest fanbases and ultras in Europe). More sports rise into the scene like Tennis and Water Polo, but the two dominant sports in Greece will be Basketball and Football for quite some time
It was nearly a football powerhouse when the turkish talents got chance to play , example of this is the world cup 2002 when Turkey became third nearly beated germany in half finals and nearly 80 procent of the team was galatasarays youth!
Turkey will shine in football world stage, matter of time. There's plenty of quality turkish origin players in Germany and europe. Turkey needs to find talents within and outside and form a team well throughout. Turkey has all the basics needed like facilities, foundations, culture of football, history. It's needs a good collective effort to get a national team together to do well internationally.
DW Kick off! There's clear passion for football. If good players form a team together, all the spots covered well then they surly can be successful. Don't mean they'll win the world cup any time soon? But who knows, if they have a allround team and spirit, always a chance, but not in Qatar. But certainly can least go Semis, in the euros and wc's if they can get a good organisation, plan together with a team on merit and not on biased selection and what not. Look at those turk origin playing for german. Ozil, gundagan, others. If they could've got them to play for Turkey! They must do more to open doors for the Turk origins in europe other parts. Show more patriotism for their country instead of clubs only.
I lost my respect totally for rivaldo in 2002 because of the red Card for the Turkish player in group stage,he kicked the ball against his knee and rivaldo acted like he was punched by mike Tyson in his face,shame on you rivaldo you were one of my favourite players.
Very good documentary until they thematize the foreign/war policy of turkey, wich has nothing to do with the failure of the national team. There was just one salute in the history of the national team to show solidarity for their soldiers in difficult times. This doesn't show the influence/pressure of politics in the national team. You should thematize more the failures of the turkish football federation. But all the rest was very good.
Hi Kay, thanks for your feedback. Glad you like the video. You're right, politics has nothing to do with the failure of the national team. But the recent developments are definitely portraying the current national team. When some players gave the military salute during their EURO qualifying campaign and others like German-born Kaan Ayhan refused to, it made headlines worldwide and was discussed broadly. That's why we disagree and do think that the political context had to be in the film as well. Actually we talked to Turkish journalists and experts to show the Turkish perspective you rarely get in the Western media. Stay safe!
@@dwkickoff Thanks for your response. When we think about what the german media did to özil and gündogan when they did something what the german media doesn't want to see (picture with the turkish president) , then you should know why ayhan (who plays in german bundesliga) refuse to salute. I am not a fan of political statements in football. But we have to differentiate that between a salute wich stands for solidarity for their soldiers who are permanently in danger and not for supporting war.
@@MostvaluablePlayerofalltime Fair enough, Kay! That's your opinion and the view of many Turks. It is indeed a complicated issue and one thing we've learned on that trip is the fact that in Turkey, it is widely seen as a gesture to honour the soldiers. That's why we have those expert opinions in the film. It's similar to the US perhaps, where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. On the other hand though there's a political context to it. The salute was made on the pitch during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive was criticized broadly by the UN, the EU and other institutions as a violation of international humanitarian law. Some players explicitly mentioned the soldiers fighting in that offensive afterwards in one of the press conferences.
@@dwkickoff When people get this gesture wrong, i can comprehend that for sure. But you as an investigative journalist should find out that it is a gesture what doesn't support war or millatary actions but the turkish soldiers as a human. So this doesn't represent the the pressure of politics in turkish football. This doesn't explains the failure of turkish football as well. So maybe this part of this video is wrong placed but the rest was very good, thanks again :)
Turkey is a type of a team can achieve something in tournaments but when it comes to World Cup qualfying they constantly underperform. I expect a good run at EURO 2020 but I don't see them making it to Qatar 2022.
I'm just astonished by the amount of turks you've found who can actually understand english. like, I've been in istanbul for the past 4 years and it's just so rare, gave me a lot of difficulties as a foreigner myself
Think the biggest reason is their grassroot development. Look at big powerhouse nations (Germany in particular), how many footballers of Turkish descent have became world class for the last 20 years. Great programmes breed great players.
@@dwkickoff I take your points absolutely and to answer the question no they're not thorough enough. You can have all the facilities in the world but without a clear blueprint that's aligned to modern football, it won't achieve optimum results. I wonder how many youth coaches in Turkey got the required coaching badges compared to Spain, France, Germany etc.
I'm Turkish and it bothers me how we are not a good country at football. I mean Turks are just CRAZY about football, but only at national matches (like Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe, Beşiktaş etc). But in worldwide we are not really succesful at it. That's just weird.
Ne kadar duygusal değilde teknik ve profesyonel yönden bakmak istesemde 10:03 te cengiz ünderin videosu girince gurur duydum ve gaza geldim.Bu kadar tutku ve duygu gerçekten tehlikeli,objektifliği alıp götürüyor.
You could also refer to Turkeys role in hosting many european teams in cities like Antalya in order to accomplish their preparation before the leagues start
you should have reported on the fourth largest club in turkey - trabzonspor. They have produced the most talent in turkish football in recent years. last season they sold one of their young players for 15 million and have two more players in their squad who are currently among the most valuable turkish players and are scouted by top clubs across europe.
Hi Semih, you're absolutely right. Trabzonspor are doing things differently and seem to be on the right path. Unfortunately we couldn't visit Trabzon. You think they've got what it takes to win the Süper Lig this season if it continues...?
@@dwkickoff This year we are ahead of our closest competitor by 12 points. For now, we are undefeated. This season most likely we will be champions after 39 years. That would be a good story ;)
Hi Murat, danke für dein Feedback. When German-born player Kaan Ayhan refused to give the military salute during the EURO qualifying campaign it became a huge topic, made headlines worldwide and it directly affected the national team. That's why we think that the political context had to be in the video ;) Stay at home und bleib gesund!
''They all want success in the short term.'' This is true. Turkish people are very impatient about this The Media? This also true because in Turkey ,Those who have an idea, dont have rights and those who have rights, have no idea. ''The Clubs from İstanbul dominated Turkish football for decades'' One of the problems is for example. If there is competition, you will be strong . For example Premier League, Seria A in 00's. Fans? In Turkey, The stadium is not full in most matches, except for the derbs. Valid for all teams. But look at the biggest Europe leagues, Even if any team will play with the last league, the stadium will be full. At last in my opinion , Turkey does not yet have a football culture, literally.
Hi Teoman, danke für dein Feedback! Since politics was involved during the EURO qualifying campaign and German-born player Kaan Ayhan refused to give the military salute it directly affected the national team and made headlines worldwide. That's why we disagree and do think that the political context had to be in that video.
The same problems happen within Liga MX (the Mexican league). No one is betting on young players because they all want to win a title that same year. There is no trust for the youngsters and some never debut or retire at a young age or go and play in a foreign country.
Amazing content as usual and picking up Copa 90's slack as usual.
That's debatable ;) Jk of course. Thanks for the feedback. Spread the word!
@@dwkickoff They have great content too but its very specific stuff. Where all your guys stuff is great. Keep up the great work.
@Offset because they do have good stuff. For example "your new favorite club", "derby days" and "for the price of". But these are uncommon videos. But what makes they different from DW is that they have a different editing style that's has more of a feel of a video made by super fans and DW editing style is more documentary which is great too. I love both because of those reasons. In terms of substance DW has more quantity in terms of good content.
@@dwkickoff Did nobody mention that the Turkish clubs have no money or when they do Fifa FFP, break-even rules make the club worse.
Barcelona is a good club. Why? Cuz they are spending MONEY.
Besiktas played CL 1/16 with a team made with profit and loan or free players!
I went to Turkey I toured the stadium with a terrific atmosphere One of the best parks Vodafone the best fans in the world, the best club Besiktas in Turkey.
Slaven Bilic once said about the Turkish League: Those who have an idea, dont have rights and those who have rights, have no idea. He is talking about the corrupt Turkish football federation
Wise man!
Same here in India.
@@thomaskieran23 no one watches Indian football shutup
@@akdapdasjd9980 No one ? Are you sure ?
@@thomaskieran23 I'm talking about other countries not the gyspy India mate
In Nigeria too we have a lot of passion, but the passion of the corrupt sports administrators is stronger lol
LOL! Nigeria have so much potential too. Amazing talent pool. What a team they had back in 1996, the Super Eagles! 😍🇳🇬💪 What has happened since then, kilo kola?
@Junjun Shame isn't it?
@@dwkickoff It really is shameful but I believe with the right people in place, we will take our football to where it should be. I envy the passion Turkish fans have got for their teams. Want to see passionate fans like this in Ilorin Township stadium rooting for Kwara United one day.
@Junjun yeah I always wondered how Nigeria could perform so well in the youth tournaments but we never hear any of them break into the big European teams.
@@altaafghaboos5246 they do break into european teams.. recently you have wilfried ndidi, tammy abraham, tomori, angelo ogbonna, iheanacho... etc. Decent players and only 2 of them are available for Nigeria
Every club manager thinks he is Florentino Perez, and he is managing Real Madrid. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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UK abim yine yön veriyor
Amaj Mojumder don't talk 🐒
@@clary3860 what
Ah it is for this that in Turkey there are clubs that have won against Real, manchester, juventus, Inter, liverpool? And I guess you don’t know Fatih Terim, senol gunes ....
10:56 "They exaggarate your success and they'll hit you and criticize you harshly if you are unsuccessful."
Welcome to Balkan sports jounalism.
Same in Serbia 🇷🇸🇹🇷
That's very true.
Same in South America too, specially Argentina
Same in Egypt lmao
Turkey is not a balkan country Balkans are Greece Bulgaria, Serbia ,Kosovo, Fake Macedonia,Rumania,Bosnia,Croatia. Her History is associated with this countries and that doesn't mean its a Balkan country
1:44 the ''dayı'' is too cool hahahah
Master Roland ı agree with you 😂😂
Hahahahahahah
Master Roland smokin
Istanbul, what a amazing place. I've spent six months there. Best time of my life I miss it every day.
We had a great time as well. Buzzing city 😍 maybe after Corona you'll come back one day?
@@dwkickoff most definitely 👍
@@Lucarinho where r u from m8
@@ComarSavar Germany m8
@@Lucarinho m8 do u think 1 eur equals 7 liras may be a factor u guyz like Turkey that much?
Dejan Lovren talking about football in Turkey, didn't see that coming.
Don't tell anyone, Shin 91 😅😎
I thought I was the only one who suspected this 🤨
Needs to sort himself out before anything, Liverpool would still be undefeated in the league if he didn't exist.
@@anilsire2041 bit harsh
@@kingaufswag 😆 😎
Watching this makes me want to go back to Istanbul. Great City, Great People. Have had some great times there. Love from the UK.
Absolutely, matthew. Great city indeed…!
Lloyd Gittens well when you go abroad you behave and respect the culture otherwise expect the unexpected! Nobody agreed having them murdered but these things happened many other places in Europe wherever the English went !
Charlie Read do not try and bend it , who is defending murder, read my text properly you twat!
@@lancevincent9468 who got killed?
there’s one part that you’re really wrong is the salute. it has NOTHING to do with supporting erdoğan. i’ve never supported erdoğan but i’ll do the salute any day especially if they’re fighting for our safety. it’s something we do to show our love for our soldiers and to make them feel they’re not alone. kaan ayhan didn’t do it because he knew he’d get criticized harshly in germany. it’s never about the minister. good documentary tho, thanks for the good wishes
Yes I completely agree I’ve also never supported erdoğan
Hi Ulas, thank you for your feedback and the clarification. Most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said the same. We actually learned so much on this trip, one thing is that it is a special gesture for many Turks, a gesture to honour the soldiers. It's probably very similar to the US where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in many other parts of the world, it was perceived critically because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions.
%100 agreed. Its not about politic or related with Erdogan. It’s special characteristic for all Turkish people. We can do salute in everywhere in every situation. Especially if the our country in hard times and needed to support our soldiers.
@@dwkickoff, as emperialist countries you go on supporting terrorist PKK and to reflect your point of wiev everwhere , if from your borders a terrorist organization like PKK ( PKK and Turkish citizen Kurdish ethnicity is different , we have no problem with them if they do not support PKK ) attack to Germany , England , America , France etc. and kill your soldiers , teachers , polices , you never forgive them but when it happens in Turkey , you are aşways on the side of terrorists , we have got the right to be both in Northern Syria and Northern Iraq because PKK attacks to Turkey from there , so stop always showing Turkey as a terorist state and the terorists as hero because you emperialist never want a strong Turkey , you proved this in history.
You do realise that the majority of turks support erdogan?
Pretty neat documentary! The case of Germany-born Turks is fairly interesting, the mentalities are polar opposites of each other. Turkey with its emotional and passionate attempt and Germany with its pragmatic, systematic and cool-headed ideals. As you've said correctly, combining the best of both worlds should be the path to follow for Turkey - even if it means to swallow their pride sometimes
Hi man, thank you for your feedback! Appreciate the kind words. You think they can be a dark horse at Euro 2021?
@@dwkickoff Up until a month or two ago, we thought we had a decent shot b/c we thought it was a favorable draw playing the tournament opening game in Italy and then 2 "home" games in Azerbaijan. And once you have a good momentum building up, with a talented set of players, anything is possible. And we had a group of players that could put their egos aside and perform as a team (in contrast to the travesty that happened in Euro2016). Then came the serious injuries of players such as Merih Demiral (who was named the heart of the team, because he gave 100% in every game and in one of the games still kept playing even after his jersey got ripped) and Cenk Tosun (who is one of the most experienced and professional striker we have atm) announced that they'd be missing the tournament and at least personally, I had to lower my expectations.
Now with things delayed one year, who knows ;) Because we tend to find our motivation in emotions, we have almost always been a better final tournaments team where you can hype players for a period of 2-3 weeks and 5-6 consecutive games. When you are playing the qualification phase, you need that professional and clinical, "go and get the job done" mentality for 2 games every few months, which we lacked until this latest set of players.
That's one of the reasons why Turkey failed to qualify to so many tournaments. On a good day, we can play head to head with the best of them, France, Spain, Croatia you name it. But we also find it in us to play head to head with other teams coming from pots 3 to 5. I imagine it is part of Turkish culture/mentality to do just enough to survive the day, which usually was not enough to reach the finals.
Sorry for going off topic a bit :)
When I see Germany play it somehow reminds me of their hi tech manufacturing plants like BMW, Daimler etc. Clinical, precise, no nonsense while Latin American ones are like third world factories: Hit or miss depending on the day...
@@phoenixUPC No worries. Interesting read!
@@rcc8506 We all saw that precision in Russia...
I used to root for Turkey in Fifa 2002. The generation of fast pace game: Hassan Sas, Hakan Sukur, and my favourite goalkeeper, Rustu. After that, Turkish football lost its steam. What happened?
What a team 🔥 What happened? Good question. Hamit Altintop said they stopped working hard enough. What's your take, el fuad?
Erdogan came to power in 2002. That's what happenned
@@dwkickoff Doesn't Hakan Sukur works as a taxi driver in the US? think i read it somewhere
Corruption and manupulation of fenerbahce destroyed turkish football
Alexander hey that is right
Love to my brothers in Turkey from Uzbekistan
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@cowgirl boots really?
Turan :D
sen at sürmeye devam et lütfen. gelişmemiş ülkelerdeki insanların zorla kendilerini bizim yanımıza yamamaya çalışmaları çok sinir bozucu
With such strong football countries as friends...you are doomed.
@@ulascsg Türkiyede hayatında tereyağıyı bir kere görmüş bir enik mi söylüyor bunu :D.
Turkish football is not only about the 3 clubs in Istanbul, never forget the local teams and the people who have a passion for their local team.
Hey man, thank you for your feedback. You're absolutely right, on the other hand though the big three from Istanbul are popular everywhere as Didem Dilmen said in the film. We know Trabzon are doing a lot right recently, but we didn't use it in the film since we focused on Istanbul's big three and the national team. They're the most popular clubs and they represent Turkish football as a whole with all its ups and downs and structural problems. A really interesting question we couldn't get answered was why aren't other Turkish clubs looking at Trabzon and Altinordu and take them as an example? What do you think...?
@@dwkickoff Trabzonspor really take care of young players and raise them, make them great players for the club. Istanbul teams don't do that, they addicted to buy players from outside.
DW Kick off! Trabzonspor has always been a club that gives chances to the youth players, especially the last couple of years and as we can see it has a positive working for the club, but also with this young players we can feed the national team. If we come to your question, I don’t think I can give you a answer as well. But I think all clubs do want succes in a short term, they have no patience. So they choose to buy old players with experience, and have no believe in their youth, and it keeps going like this every season for them. I think Trabzonspor is at the moment the best for youth players. Gives them much chances, sells them to European clubs, make money, feeds national team.
@@dwkickoff TRABZONSPOR
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Eine richtig sachliche Doku. Als jemand der den Türkischen Fußball kaum verfolgt fand ich die Art der Berichterstattung insbesondere die Sachlichkeit und die Neutralität richtig gut gelungen..
Danke, Fate Zero. Freut uns! Gerne weiterleiten...
Dem schließ ich mich an!
100% Zustimmung !
@@dwkickoff das nächste mal recherchiere richtig ! Nichts was das national Team betrifft is politisch. So ne gute Doku und dann aber doch wieder bissel versteckt hetzen wollen. Muss man ja immer gegen die Türkei.
@@alpasino1903 belüg dich nicht selbst.. war eine sehr gute Doku ohne Hetze
Football and politics should not mix.
Football unites people regardless of religion or race.
Lol you could see the fear in their eyes when they had to comment on the whole erdogan salute situation. Their biggest star had to flee from Turkey in order to save himself from political prosecution, damn....
@@MrArgy333 not true mate.
Football can also separate people.
Um...definitely not true. Football is possibly the most political sport in the world lmao
Before they started talking about politics, it felt like a documentary on the issues of Mexican football.
1) Short term success is too important. fans booing their own young players that have a bad game.
2) The pressure that the media creates by overhyping and then severely criticizing players that they themselves put the pressure onto.
3) The fact that the fans are simultaneously really proud of their national team and really disappointed.
4) I saw the lack of perspective that I recognize in Mexico in these Turkish fans statements. They think they will make it; become one of the great football powerhouses because they have talented young players coming up but they don't realize that the real powerhouses have so many more prospects and a stage for them to grow appropriately.
Just this week, there was "controversy" because two players in Mexico went out to dinner with girls. It's ridiculous the spotlight that we put on our prospects.
Thanks for your insight into Mexican football.
and Sergio, a while ago we asked ourselves a very similar question re Mexico: ruclips.net/video/_kwrKUUKCu8/видео.html
I feel like Turks and Mexicans are just as passionate when it comes to football!
It's funny to see your comment cause a few days ago I was thinking about similarities between Turkish and Mexican fans. Extremely proud, arrogant and immature. Their own teams must feel too much pressure
Spot on. When accounting for population, diaspora population, history, and resources, I think Mexico and Turkey both punch below their weight more than any other country in world football.
military selute is not politic. Thats just a support for soliders
It doesn't sit well with some people when you are an invading force.
Nietzsche's Mustache But it sits quite well with everyone when people arm terrorists against you, strange times we live in...
bartu ciftci invading syria is not going to fix that. Erdogan is meddling in politics that he should not be in the first place
He never would invade syria if not some countries out there would sell them weapons. U’re talkin but without knowing anything mate
Marlboro Rot turkey has an incredibly strong military that trumps any rag tag group of militants in syria. He has no business taking kurdish territory, he is asking for more trouble by flexing his muscle.
13:04we are not occupying in syria, we are fighting for the people there to return to their old lives and keep our nerves safe
Your dumb bro go see what actually happened
@mehmet ozerkan Yani demek istedigini yanlis mi buldun?
Eren Kocyigit stfu
Emperialist countries accuse Turkey and saying what you are doing in Syria but they never take into consideratin 4 milllion Syrian refugees in Turkey , we are trying to clean the border from terrorists and send back to them to a safe place , we have that right , but they prefer to be on the side of PKK , they love and give support to terrorists in order to hurt Turks as they do not love Turks.
Yes
I loved this documentary. Situation is very similar in many Latin American countries.
Big population, very passionate but miles away from being a powerhouse.
Like Mexico, Colombia, and others with less population Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Ecuador, and appart from the current golden generation, Chile.
Hi Carlos, you're absolutely right! Very passionate indeed. Have you seen our other documentaries yet? Mexico: ruclips.net/video/_kwrKUUKCu8/видео.html And about Colombia?: ruclips.net/video/nQheV-yp2Qk/видео.html
When you're passionate and in delusion, it means that you're far apart from the mentality. It's about hooligans not about football. When there's heart instead brain, you don't expect an efficient outcome.
Colombia isn't miles (at international level)
Lol Chile are finished
@@krooscontrol9019 yeah we ruled south american football for a decade. Your welcome. In 5 more years there will be another golden generation.
Turkey always had huge potential in football. They had quite a good number of talented youngsters. But for the reasons mentioned, they faded away very easily. But this tendency is breaking apart with players like Cengiz Under, Merih Demiral, Caglar Soyuncu not being enticed by Big 3 but rather chosing to pursue a career in Europe. That worked out and now many players will be eager to follow their path. Excited to see Turkish national team in 2-3 years 🇹🇷
Good shout! You think they can surprise us all at Euro 2021, Mubariz?
Hahaha turks can't play. You've had like one bronze. You to stiff, no swag at all. You like cavemans
@@instantkarma2724 Also french said that too. But here we are :)
@@instantkarma2724 i fuck you Turkey is one of the Best countrys With football and have many talents
@@barbercut5751 many talents but still can’t qualify to the World Cup 😂
Turkey's national team has done quite well at International tournaments the last few years, still have potential to do more but wouldn't say they've been unsuccessful by any means.
Military salute
İs for our soldiers, not for Erdoğan. Germans really need to get rid of their Erdoğan trauma.
Hi Osman, thank you for your comment. Here's a short explanation why Erdogan is in the film. Erdogan is a football fan himself and like many other politicians around the world he uses football as a tool to deliver political messages or a certain image. Erdogan used to be very close with Hakan Sükür, he even attended his first wedding. Sükür is probably the best and most successful player Turkey has ever seen. But as we know today things got complicated and Sükür is now an enemy of the state as he's a member of the Gülen movement. That's a sign that politics is everyhwere in Turkey, even involved in sports. And that leads to the next topic, the military salute. We found out and have shown in the film that the military salute has nothing to do with Erdogan, it is widely seen as a gesture to honour the soldiers. That's why we have those expert opinions in the film explaining exactly that. It's similar to the US perhaps, where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. On the other hand though there's a political context to it. The salute was made on a football pitch and, that's important to mention, during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive started by Erdogan was criticized broadly by the UN, the EU and other institutions as a violation of international humanitarian law. Some players explicitly mentioned the soldiers fighting in that offensive afterwards in one of the press conferences. So, politics again /: Stay healthy and have a nice day!
@@dwkickoff Everyone knows how close Erdogan and Gülen once was.
Sükür is a Gülenist and everyone knows that. No one can deny this. It hasn't to do with critisizim or his twitter post.
Erdogan is a huge fan of football and the bad decisions at turkish football has nothing to do with Erdogan. The managers want to be every year the champion so they are not investing in future. They buy old players ho can play 1-2 years and than they lefting the club.
Do you ever ask yourself why no foreign player can speak turkish? If you are playing in germany, italy, spain or england you have to learn the language.
In turkey it doesn't matter if you can speak turkish..
I live in germany and the germans have a problem with erdogan. Because of that they critisize the salute. Kaan Ayhan were critisized because of his salute. So he doesn't repeat it. You can see it if you look at the former st. Pauli player Cenk Sahin. They lynched him. They say football and politics don't have to be combined but this rule is just fot turkish footballers who likes erdogan. If you are against him you are able to speak about politics.
Endlich einer der es auf den Punkt bringt! Danke!
OsmanOsmanHan You are a lier bro. ;)
Exactly
I've never met such friendly people than the Turkish
Why?
They are very proud people but also very intrigued about your own personal story. I was there in September and I still get messages from people there wishing me well. My elderly Grandmother lives there and she never had to look over her should walking home at night ever.
@@Jacket97 oo your grandma lives in turkey? Cool :)
thanks bro I am living in Turkey I think Turkish peoples friendly too
@@taekookyoonmin615 I also gained a completely different view on Islam too. So greatful for the experience.
I hope turkey will stand up again. We have wonderfull players 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Do you believe Turkey football is rising?
As an Englishman I'd love to see a Turkish club win UCL for once. Some great clubs coming out of Turkey, Galatasaray, Fenerbache, Besiktas. Sick of seeing only Spanish, German, English clubs winning.
bro that 2002 world cup was crazy... Senegal in the quarter-final...south korea knocking out italy and spain to get to the semis...and of course turkey getting third! My god the memories
Great tournament, indeed! 😍 Even the final, Kahn's blunder though 😢
South Korea cheated lmao
@@Bolognabeef yeah paid the refs lol
DW Kick off! Kein problem 12 years later die mannschaft hit the Brazilians for 7 in their country and made it nummer 4 in Rio.
1:45 check that badass old man
😉😎
First step: stop buy old "stars" like van persie ,drogba ,eto, mereiles, robinho,falcao and more
Yes as a turk i couldn't agree more.
They sometimes buy them for attraction of their loyal fans.
Nothing wrong with old stars. Teams in top 5 leagues buy them too
Come to besiktas
Besiktas is in the video, mate! We've been there to speak to fans and watch the game against Trabzonspor. Great club, great atmosphere...
@@dwkickoff To be fair I don't think he's serious. That's a catchphrase BJK fans been using on social media. Remember the player unveiling video with techno background music from a couple years ago? 😹
@@syakdudu Touché! 😂
😂😂😂
Yes , I am coming to Besiktas.
Hallo Pepe, come to Besiktas!
Istanbul is such a vibrant city. The football scene there is like no other, I swear
Why?
As a Croatian I still sadly remember Euro 2008. Turkey as a complete underdog really shook up that year Euro. And with their squad now, I'm certain that they can make breakthrough at Euro 2021 too. Hope we meet late at the tournament again 🇭🇷🤞🇹🇷
oh yes, and I'm really looking forward to hear Ceddin deden at the stands, atmosphere you bring is amazing ;)
Morale of the story : "Too much passion sometimes burns itself"
In turkey military salute is not politic stuff. "We are born soldier we are die soldier" We believe so. And the government is not important on situation. if our soldiers die for our homeland we all respect them
Great episode, thanks for the good content.
The reason behind the misunderstanding of "the salute" is that it's not a political gesture for Turkish people. On the contrary, it's one of few things that unite different political fractions. Just because Erdogan started doing it to milk votes, doesn't mean salute is his political gesture. Players do it as a respect if there are recently fallen soldiers, not to show support for a party. Turkish people can be more emotional when their soldiers fall because every boy serves for the army since the peasants won the War of Independence and everybody probably knows someone or someone's son who is serving at anytime, including the athletes.
Hi B B, thank you for the feedback and your analysis! That's what most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said as well. It's a gesture to honour the soldiers, very similar to the US for example where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in Western Europe, as you might know, it is seen in a different way. It was perceived critically especially because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions. Can you understand the other perspective or do you see it differently?
@@dwkickoff First of all, thank you for the video, i enjoyed watching it. It was really nice to see that you interviewed local experts for this. But i strongly believe that you should have included in the video that the salute is NOT a political gesture in Turkey. The video makes it seem like it represents support for Erdoğan, which is definitely not true.
Bit of background info: I am an atheist, feminist progressive and, as you might guess, I stand against everything Erdoğan stands for. Our founder, Atatürk, famously advised "science and scientific thought should be the guide in life" but Erdoğan is replacing that with outdated dogmatic beliefs. He's acting against the secular, egalitarian foundations of our republic and probably the biggest problem of living under Erdoğan is freedom of speech.
I'm against Erdoğan and I'm against our military involvement in Syria. But I do support the salute, because it is not about Erdoğan; it is about the people who have lost their lives fighting against fundamentalist terrorist factions there. It's not about politics, it's a gesture of empathy for those people.
I'm glad that you ended your comment above with the question "Can you understand the other perspective?" That is key in every conflict. I can see that for the people outside of Turkey who don't approve of Erdoğan organizing military action in Syria, the footballers' gesture can look like they're showing support for Erdoğan and his decisions. But that is just not the case here: it isn't a political gesture, it's deeply emotional, untainted by politics. It's of pure human compassion; of gratitude for those who risk their lives abroad so that you can be safe at your home. (And safety is a big issue here in Turkey: Neighbouring the Middle East, it's scary to know that there is war just across the border.)
I don't know what everyone on the production team for this video thinks, but I wanted to provide you a different perspective, that's all. I know this has been a looong comment, but if you've read so far, thank you :)
Cheers from Turkey!
We love Erdogan, you may not 🤷🏾♂️
Zaed you're irrelevant lol
Football Fan I love Erdogan, he is the best president ever Turkey had in his modern time, now thats for sure!
Dont believe this Dönme Atatürk, who wants to forget the history of the turkic muslim people in anatolia and before, thats why he called him the Ata of the turks, which is technically not true! He even wasnt a turk, he was jewish descendants, sabbatayist, also called dönme!
Guys, seriously, Turkey have more teams then 3.
I wonder how they didn't tell Trabzonspor.
Turkey has Trabzonspor,Bursaspor,Altınordu and more Anatolian teams.
If you just look only 3 club, you can never understand why Turkey is not so succesful. Anatolia needs much more interest.
@mehmet ozerkan trabzon olmadan Türk futbolu analizi olmaz. Hayret ettim
Bir sivassporlu olarak, trabzonspor türk futbolunda anadolunun temsilcisi olmuştur. He bu arada şike her takıma yapılıyor. Biz geçen sezon ilk 22 hafta penaltı kullanmadık.
@@kiwiqir pek çok takım adeta cezalandırılıyor, önü kesiliyor. İyi yönetilmeyince de batıyor kulüpler
The only Reason that German Turkish player didnt do that celebration is because his german team would kick his ass out of the club. But its funny because germans always say "freedom of speech". I respect the Love Turks have for their Country.
They should make video about Enver Cenk Şahin.
for the development of turkish football:
-Young talents
-Clubs should dont have debt(besiktas,fenerbahçe and galatasaray)
-Anatolian clubs should play for the championship
I went to Turkey I toured the stadium with a terrific atmosphere One of the best parks Vodafone the best fans in the world, the best club Besiktas in Turkey.
Chester Bennington Turkish best fans BEŞİKTAŞ 🦅🇹🇷
Your Father FENERBAHÇE 💙💛
Muhammed Mustafa Yayıcı 1903 Beşiktaş > 1907 Fenev? Kim kimin babası lan 😉🦅
I also went to Turkey and toured Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe and Beşiktaş stadiums but I liked Galatasarays most.
What a nice documentation again man😍🇹🇷. i always waited for people, who are loving the football and bring out football documentations like this, now you are on yt and my dream comes true👍🏼you listenend to my advice from the comment under the czech republic video, thank you❤👌
Hi Frank, we're always reading and listening ;) Happy you like the documentary. Spread the word!
@Pulcino Pio Hey man, think we made it clear in the other reply. Just scroll up a bit
A Bronze medal from 2002 WC.
A Bronze medal from 2005 Confederations Cup.
A Bronze medal from EURO 2008.
That’s still a better performance than England since the century started. 😁
actually 2003 confed cup
If that's the only metric you measure success by, sure.
The difference in quality between English footballers and Turkish ones is laughably massive.
@Ali Turkey have scored one goal ever against England. One. Needless to say they have never beaten them either.
The Euros doesn't hand out bronze medals.
@kagaro Nakama And even that one trophy they cheated their way to.
As a wolves fan, I’ve experienced Besiktas fans. While they are annoying, you can tell they are extremely passionate and I respect that✊
True! Great atmosphere and loyal fans from what we've experienced...
Besiktas 🦅💪
This is literally the same problems experienced in Mexico
Greece too
@@mlvsls83 You guys beated us at home in 2004. That was disappointing.. :-)
Your clubs play well but they don´t go anywhere, like ours.
What a country Greece is. Beautiful beyond belief.
Have always told my mexican friends (I'm turkish) that mexico is actually quite like turkey. Not only in football, but also about the people, education, problems, government, etc
Whenever I talked to them about turkey or mexico, we found out about the similiarities
@@wotmate3719 thats bécause we have same ancestors.
I think the answer is very simple: Turkey is yet to become an economic powerhouse per capita terms. It is still a middle income country with nominal GDP/Capita at 9.370,18 USD (2018). Hence clubs, with some exceptions, lack the financial resources that ones on French, German, Italian, Spanish side have. I think this very general information suffices to explain many things, ranging from a corrupt football federation to 'not being so successful on the international stage'. We have to look at Turkish football not through the standards we assign to La Liga, Serie A, Bundes & Premier, but value it in its economic and financial context. In this way, one can truly appreciate Turkish football and value its achievements. As for the national team's past performance, this video provides a good answer.
Portugal has a different culture, although we like great players we enjoy yoyung players steping up
Could Portugal be an example for Turkey, Gonçalo?
DW Kick off! At least in what militarism is concerned we Portuguese are quite the opposite. Hope that at least in that respect we can be an example, or not.
Portugal seems to be content as being a farm league for bigger clubs by playing kids.
@@martytu20 Nah it's just really top heavy. Everyone in Portugal knew Felix was star but he was only given respect when he had a big price tag, same thing with Bruno Fernandes, Ronaldo etc. But its dominated by the big 3 just like in Spain with Real, Barça and Atletico. Fc Porto, Benfica and Sporting win almost everything but one thing I've noticed with the inflation of players prices is that small teams in Portugal have more expensive players so the big 3 can't buy absorb all the talent and with a few good transfers small teams can improve and start to compete more. It's going to become better in the future if it doesn't become corrupt because of the "new money"
@@martytu20it doesnt matter, the national team is improving year by year
great production, enjoyed every second of it, greetings from Romania! and of course Galata fans love Hagi!
What a player he was! 😎 😍 Thanks for the nice words, Florin. How is his son doing these days? Also a great talent, isn't he? Greetings from Germany...
Schwarz Florin as a galatasaray fan i am so happy he came to us he was such a great player and i am thankfull he was born
@@dwkickoff His son is talented too and he works very hard to improve, apparently Hagi jr doing well at Rangers FC, honestly his name is weighting heavily for the moment, but pressure is good in football, also last year at Euro U21, Romania reached the semi finals, Hagi jr contributed a lot so did his father (he has a lot of academies and he owns Viitorul FC, with whom he won the title in the top division) thanks to them we are hopeful that a wonderful generation will come, just like Turkey! Best thoughts and stay safe!
@@Bomboclaat010 i really enjoyed his football at Galata in early 2000s, I remember when they won the UEFA cup, amacing memories, amazing team! Greetings my friend!
@@schwarzfooty Yeah, he was pretty impressive at the U21 Euro. Hope Romania can return to glory days and impress us in the future, Florin. Stay safe and healthy as well!
you need to know:
1-
There is no tension in the Turkish National Team.
The Kaan Ayhan incident is quite normal.
2-
Soldier salute is not a political situation. The goal that has been in the FIFA series for years is the joy.
3- Hakan Şükür is our legendary football player, but he is with the terrorist organization.
4-
The military incident in Syria is not a war, but a defense.
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I propose to research and make a video more accurately.
6-
We have players born in Germany, but they are all Turkish family members. On the other hand; İlkay Gündoğan, Mesut Özil, Emre Can are Turkish directly in the German National Team. You should also pay attention to this.
7- You have misrepresented Galatasaray stadium of the video. It also has a place on your video, even supporters of Galatasaray of Turkey's most intense fan group. Sad.
Hi Ahmet, thank you for your analysis and the clarification. That's what most of the people we talked to in Turkey and all the experts in the film said as well. It's a gesture to honour the soldiers, very similar to the US for example where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. Still, in many other parts of the world, it was perceived critically especially because of the political context. The military salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Northern Syria which made headlines worldwide and was criticized internationally as a breach of international law and UN resolutions. We didn't take any sides on the matter, we just described what happened. We talked to Turkish journalists and experts to show the Turkish perspective. So in the end, it's not biased at all. Have a nice day!
Hakan Just opposite Politics with Erdogan. Why people call him terrorists?
@@dwkickoffhe is true, Galatasaray is the team that has the most fans with 25,9 million only in Turkey ( in cyprus we all support one of the teams in turkey)
Simple answer for this mess is easy... Its not what you know its about WHO you know... If Turkiye wants to be a powerhouse they need to get rid of this mindset or ideology.. EQUAL opportunity needs to prevail.
The Turkey national team that went to the 2002 World Cup has been one of the best teams I’ve seen from Turkey. Underdogs.
that was a great team. So close!
Without having watched the video just yet, I'd say a part of the reason is that Turkey is in the same boat as England; youngsters often don't get much of a chance because the top clubs prefer to attract more experienced foreigners that are more likely to perform well straight away.
As a result, these youngsters don't develop themselves as well as when they would have gotten a chance when they're coming out of the youth academy at age 17-21, and that lack of playing time at the highest level in such a crucial part of their careers reflects itself in the national team.
You now see that more and more British young players are going abroad for their experience at top flight level, with Sancho obviously being the most well known example. Maybe it's time for Turkish players to do something similar, it seems to have done Caglar Soyuncu and Merih Demiral well. :)
Good shout, Hatsi! What do you say now after you've watched it?
@@dwkickoff My point pretty much stays the same. :D Create an environment in which youngsters can develop without it being over for them after 1 or 2 poor games, and at least half of the work is already done.
Other than this, I can imagine youngsters that actually have grown up in Turkey (but for example also those in countries like Morocco and Algeria) have somewhat lost hope, when they see a significant amount of players being called up for the national team that are born or otherwise at least raised in different (mostly European) countries rather than in Turkey.
Finally, involving politics into football obviously doesn't help things either, especially when the 'president' is pretty much being put on the same pedestal as the founding father of the country... but okay, that's something the Turkish will have to deal with themselves.
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Deine Komentare sehe ich überall.🤣🇹🇷 helal olsun sana
Sagol Kardesim.:)
Eyvallah!!
2 years ago in Romania, FRF , took decision that every team from the first league to play with an U21 player in the first eleven in every match ...
results? Romania U21 qualify for Euro 2019 (Italy) final tournament , and was no.3 from 12 teams in the final ranking ,and qualify for Olympic games ,with Spain,Germany and France.
FRF increased the pressure this year and now they want that every romanian team from the first league to play with ... 2 players U21 in the first 11! ... the problem now is that everything is cancelled because "corona" ... damn it !
Dan D i was in Romania in December for Celtic v Cluj It was so cold lol
Ahhh man, during this isolation I need more material like this! Please, I want more! Look, Turkey finished 3rd in 2002 and made it to the semis in 2008. Not too bad. Football isn't easy. Loads of talented countries don't win big trophies (Spain never won anything until recently.) Seems like Turkey should invest heavily in the coaching development and let that be the impetus for the transformation that seems inevitable.
Thank you for your feedback, Luca! Glad you like it
They are not Erdogan supporters. "Salute" isn't a way to show your support to Erdogan. You can play for national team and "Salute" even you being opposed to Erdogan.
Hi Shinigami, that's true actually and an interesting perspective. We were not accusing all the players of being Erdogan supporters. Some of them are, some of them are not. But what we tried to do is to show the Turkish perspective you rarely get in the Western media for example, that's why we were talking to journalists and experts in Turkey. Internationally the salute was seen critical though because of the political context. The salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive was criticzed by the UN, the EU and Amnesty International. UEFA does not allow political gestures and that's why it made headlines.
Yeah i don't support erdoğan but i'll do anything for my country.
Man I feel for Turkey, Greece, Portugal, they have the best crowds, craziest environments and they play with there hearts. When you’re a spectator you don’t want to go to a game that’s like a funeral, you want to feel alive and part of an army that’s sparks the craziest memories, which they are full of. Just last week Pep talked about doing it for the fans, and it’s obvious that if situations were better suited for players they wouldn’t be in England. Economy is the biggest key in my eyes. If they could pay even average fees they would attract a lot more better players.. corruption won’t allow it though.
Is the problem with the Prem for example, the large amount of TV money involved? If this happened in Turkey would this dilute the atmosphere?
DW Kick off!
Firstly thank you so much for doing this guys! You’ve always been amazing at DW and we the YT community love it... I believe the funding in the prem does play a part but it’s not to blame at all. We are stupid either way even if the Prem wasn’t being pummeled with currency from everywhere. The sooner these countries big teams accept they are not Real, Bayern, PSG, or Man city I think they will slowly improve. They have to look at the situation from a place where they can accept what they are firstly. Gone are the days of Decos Porto or Alex Fenerbahce, even Besiktas was doing very well just three seasons ago but made very poor economic choices and now has offloaded most of that squad from 2 years ago. So sad 🤦♂️. I honestly think Ugur Karakullukcu said it best in this documentary and Hamit touched on it when they said there is actually an overload of young talent and the nations are wasting it. I can’t speak for greece or for Portugal I’m sure some natives from there will back me up but I know back in 2017 my stupid retarded team dropped Merih Demiral to hold onto two fossils for defenders, and I think that’s what it’s going to come too. They need to focus on youth development and scouting... ive seen boys from this nation with such talent and class that most could EASILY go pro in a big league, but if there’s noones bloody seeing it or picking them up there passion dies, and we end up with pessimistic fans looking to just pay another known player who is washed up which gets them nowhere. You end up with scouts from Sassuolo and Roma or Nac Breda coming and stealing your talent without them getting a chance to give back to the league.
So really it’s poor decision making and a mentality run on just profit which kills it for the passionate spectators.
DW Kick off! The problem is they don’t watch how Borussia Dortmund do it, they don’t watch how Monaco did it prior to changing there mentality. Shaktar!!!! RB Leipzig, we could give endless examples and half of them is going to be German 🤣 so I know you understand me... Fenerbahce isn’t run by King MBS, it’s not owned by a multi billionaire, but they have a worse attitude then them sometimes. ✌️
@@billymcdonnell11 Maybe a problem with Dortmund and Monaco as an example is they are selling clubs traditionally, they build a great squad full of exciting young talent and then sell them.
DW Kick off! :( 2008 Fenerbahce was in the top 20 richest clubs, ranked 18th, now they are only in 698 million euros in debt.... the difference in worth is approximately 1.1 billion pounds in just over a space of 7 years..
So to be honest I know I’m thinking subjective to my own team but I would love to have Dortmunds mentality for a while, atleast the scouting is pretty good, they are always dangerous in every league and they make a profit.
Either way one thing cannot be denied, hard work pays off and you’ve done an amazing job with this video!
PS. If you know Christoph Daum tell him to come back... we need a crazy man like him! 💙💛💙💛
You forgot the national anthem, it plays before each game
I remember Turkey in the 1980s and early 1990s Turkey were really bad. There was regular big defeats but in 1996 they qualified for Euros and there was a massive improvement, but seems to have gone no better since 2008.
I’ll never forget the joy they gave me in the 2008 euros
What a great run!
DW Kick off! 2 mins away from a PK shoot out to go the euro finals, albeit against the Germans...Turkey usually has a hard time qualifying bc they are in the group with Spain and German but once they quality they usually “passion” their was for a deep run.
@@dwkickoff i was born in 2006. We had just 13 players to play in semi finals. that's why Germany lost in finals.
My brother the military salute has nothing to do with Erdogan. The salute was because our soldiers died. To stand in solidarity with our soldiers who went to Syria to fight against terrorism. To protect our country! A salute is the least we can do to support the men in war who earn very little. While football players earn millions to play savely with a ball, the soldiers protect our country with their life against terrorism.
Hi Hitz Abi ;) we know it is seen that way in Turkey. That's why we were talking to journalists and experts to show the Turkish perspective you rarely get in the Western media. Internationally the salute was seen critical though because of the political context. The salute was made during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive was criticzed by the UN, the EU and Amnesty International. Besides that, UEFA does not allow political gestures and that's why it made headlines. No offense, we were just describing what happened. Stay safe and healthy!
Turkish Football Teams have one problem -wrong transfer policy-. They were spend too much money for useless players. Also they dont care young players. In the turkey too many talented young players have but the big teams are not giving chance. If they had a chance, now Turkish football would be like Portuguese football.
*spanish
Good shout, man! That's one of their main problems. Falcao, Kruse, Boateng - all the signings they made recently. Could have been Turkish players from the youth ranks. You think the Portuguese league is a good example, Polat?
DW Kick off! yes, because portugal football brought many stars to today's football (Bruno,Ronaldo,Semedo etc...) and we can see lot of portuguese players nearly all leagues
That’s so true the Super Lig is focused of signing players past their prime that the younger players would go to countries like Germany, or the Netherlands
Edward Kelly yeah the Super Lig has become like the MLS of Europe. Only difference is that MLS signs legends while Turkey signs players who have just fallen off. Either way it’s not good, Turkish teams need to start giving their youngsters a chance or else they will never become a football powerhouse.
Turkey 2 0 France
Iceland 3 turgey 0
@@pantarhei158 result: Turkey at the European championships
Güzel verdiniz ahahaha
@@pantarhei158 NE GEDERRRR
@@pantarhei158 dont cry
"The place where Asia meets...Europe" Unbezahlbar :)))))
Kostantinopel
oh yeah yeah İstanbul
@@checkcommentsfirst3335 😂😂😂😂 Konstantinopel
@@checkcommentsfirst3335 Oh no no
İstanbul not c*nstantipole
Türkiye'yi Suriye konusunda işgalci güç olarak göstermiş. Ama sonrasında gelen diyaloglar anlatış tarzı hoşuma gitti. Güzel bir video olmuş
Spent more than a month working with players from various clubs in the Super Lig, the passion of the fans in Turkey is second to none, have never seen anything else like it
Hey Zeyu, sounds interesting! What exactly did you do, create some video content?
DW Kick off! We train players, I produce content for @moalifc on Instagram
Cool Video! Greetings to all turkish football Fans from germany - I habe so many turkish friends here. You guys are awesome!:)
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Because half of their best players chose to be German...Ireland would have a good national team as whole if they didn't split
Well, Mesut Özil, Emre Can and Ilkay Gündogan chose to play for the German national team. But if you count them all the Turkish national team probably had more players born in Germany...
DW Kick off! To be honest, Half of the German Squad are not even German. Sane, Gnabry, Boateng, the turkish people and more.. They wouldnt be successful without these Players.
@@ultraslan1502 Well, they were born and raised in Germany...pretty Germany actually!
2014 only Özil
@@ultraslan1502 Sané, Gnabry and Boateng have German mothers and were born and raised in Germany, so I don't quite understand your point.
You can't just decide who's German or not by some arbitrary metric you formed according to your worldview. Being German is not tied to genetics.
An ethnic asian person, who is part of the German culture, is more German, than an American, who left Germany some 200 odd years ago and thinks that Germany is somehow this weird caricatural mix of old-school Bavarian and swabian customs like pretzels and the Oktoberfest.
13:04 The Turkish military is in Syria not for occupation, but for the destruction of terrorist elements. And I am one of those soldiers too. I hope you get rid of these wrong thoughts as soon as possible. respects.
The 2002 WC Turkey roster was full of very talented players. Turkey took Brazil into deep waters, it was a neck-to-neck battle till the very end when the Korean referee(i think everyone watching games in the far east that summer remembers many refs, Italy, Spain....)made a grave mistake gifting the Brazilians a penalty, but the Oscar went to Rivaldo for the finale.
The main Problem is that everybody in Turkey is talking in the Football shows. There is a Man who is Justice and Politician Expert and also a Footballexpert. HOOOW?? I really do not understand why People watch them on TV.
Greece and Turkey will forever be countries punching above their weight, but they unfortunately will never be powerhouses due to too much passion, a situation very similar to the rest of Eastern Europe. Great documentary!
Thank you for your feedback, Chris! Is it just too much passion? On the other hand you could argue teams like Croatia also have a lot passion. They're punching above their weight and passion even lead them to the WC final...
Why you compare Greece with Turkey, we are only 11mil souls.
DW Kick off! Indeed. Only time will tell if we can call Croatia a superpower...
Greece is more of a rugby league nation than soccer , currently 11th in the world in the rugby league world rankings , in soccer around 60th in the world
MonkeyDoubleBackFlips There is no soul in Greece that knows about Rugby. In all of honesty, Greece might be more of a basketball nation (with a silver medal in the FIBA World Cup and two EuroBasket titles; top 10 in the world too), but the Euro 2004 win caused a footballing uproar. More kids started playing Football, clubs began having late runs in European Competitions (AEK, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos), and clubs gained great followings (The Greek Top 6 have some of the fiercest fanbases and ultras in Europe). More sports rise into the scene like Tennis and Water Polo, but the two dominant sports in Greece will be Basketball and Football for quite some time
Maybe because their best players play or have played for Germany 🤣🤣
Mesut Özil, Ilkay Gündogan and Emre Can...?
@@dwkickoff especially ozil
@@josemou6172 Have you seen our Özil documentary yet? Check it out! ruclips.net/video/i6MV_LHWUSs/видео.html
„Their“ lol
Özil never played 1 minute in turkey. Gündogan too
You guys didnt get my answer.. It means because they playing for Germany...
You must mention the fact that Hakan Şükür was once a MP under Erdoğan's party. Football and politics are inseparable in Turkey.
It was nearly a football powerhouse when the turkish talents got chance to play , example of this is the world cup 2002 when Turkey became third nearly beated germany in half finals and nearly 80 procent of the team was galatasarays youth!
Turkey will shine in football world stage, matter of time. There's plenty of quality turkish origin players in Germany and europe. Turkey needs to find talents within and outside and form a team well throughout. Turkey has all the basics needed like facilities, foundations, culture of football, history. It's needs a good collective effort to get a national team together to do well internationally.
Optimism, eh? The potential is definitely there. What makes you so sure thy're going to be successful, Hassy?
DW Kick off!
There's clear passion for football. If good players form a team together, all the spots covered well then they surly can be successful. Don't mean they'll win the world cup any time soon? But who knows, if they have a allround team and spirit, always a chance, but not in Qatar. But certainly can least go Semis, in the euros and wc's if they can get a good organisation, plan together with a team on merit and not on biased selection and what not.
Look at those turk origin playing for german. Ozil, gundagan, others. If they could've got them to play for Turkey! They must do more to open doors for the Turk origins in europe other parts. Show more patriotism for their country instead of clubs only.
@@hassymiia6267 Good shout! They just have to make the most of their talents and sort out their problems ;) the future looks bright!
Outstanding work thanks DW Kickoff!
Hi Bob, thanks for the nice message. We're glad you like the video. Spread the word...
I lost my respect totally for rivaldo in 2002 because of the red Card for the Turkish player in group stage,he kicked the ball against his knee and rivaldo acted like he was punched by mike Tyson in his face,shame on you rivaldo you were one of my favourite players.
Very good documentary until they thematize the foreign/war policy of turkey, wich has nothing to do with the failure of the national team. There was just one salute in the history of the national team to show solidarity for their soldiers in difficult times. This doesn't show the influence/pressure of politics in the national team. You should thematize more the failures of the turkish football federation.
But all the rest was very good.
Hi Kay, thanks for your feedback. Glad you like the video. You're right, politics has nothing to do with the failure of the national team. But the recent developments are definitely portraying the current national team. When some players gave the military salute during their EURO qualifying campaign and others like German-born Kaan Ayhan refused to, it made headlines worldwide and was discussed broadly. That's why we disagree and do think that the political context had to be in the film as well. Actually we talked to Turkish journalists and experts to show the Turkish perspective you rarely get in the Western media. Stay safe!
@@dwkickoff Thanks for your response.
When we think about what the german media did to özil and gündogan when they did something what the german media doesn't want to see (picture with the turkish president) ,
then you should know why ayhan (who plays in german bundesliga) refuse to salute.
I am not a fan of political statements in football. But we have to differentiate that between a salute wich stands for solidarity for their soldiers who are permanently in danger and not for supporting war.
@@MostvaluablePlayerofalltime Fair enough, Kay! That's your opinion and the view of many Turks. It is indeed a complicated issue and one thing we've learned on that trip is the fact that in Turkey, it is widely seen as a gesture to honour the soldiers. That's why we have those expert opinions in the film. It's similar to the US perhaps, where patriotism and honouring soldiers plays a huge role as well. On the other hand though there's a political context to it. The salute was made on the pitch during Turkey's military offensive in Syria. The offensive was criticized broadly by the UN, the EU and other institutions as a violation of international humanitarian law. Some players explicitly mentioned the soldiers fighting in that offensive afterwards in one of the press conferences.
@@dwkickoff When people get this gesture wrong, i can comprehend that for sure. But you as an investigative journalist should find out that it is a gesture what doesn't support war or millatary actions but the turkish soldiers as a human. So this doesn't represent the the pressure of politics in turkish football. This doesn't explains the failure of turkish football as well. So maybe this part of this video is wrong placed but the rest was very good, thanks again :)
I hope Turkey comes back to the World Cup. Saludos and cheers from a Mexican-American!
2002 was special wasn't it? Turkey had many neutrals on their side. And people forget the 2008 semi
Turkey is a type of a team can achieve something in tournaments but when it comes to World Cup qualfying they constantly underperform. I expect a good run at EURO 2020 but I don't see them making it to Qatar 2022.
I'm just astonished by the amount of turks you've found who can actually understand english. like, I've been in istanbul for the past 4 years and it's just so rare, gave me a lot of difficulties as a foreigner myself
Great documentation! Good and serious journalism. Pascal Jochem is truly a talented guy
Thanks for the nice words, Stephan. We're glad you like the content. 😉🔥🤩
Think the biggest reason is their grassroot development. Look at big powerhouse nations (Germany in particular), how many footballers of Turkish descent have became world class for the last 20 years. Great programmes breed great players.
Good point, Syakir! Turkey has big clubs though and a similar football culture. The potential is there. Are they not doing enough?
@@dwkickoff I take your points absolutely and to answer the question no they're not thorough enough. You can have all the facilities in the world but without a clear blueprint that's aligned to modern football, it won't achieve optimum results. I wonder how many youth coaches in Turkey got the required coaching badges compared to Spain, France, Germany etc.
@@syakdudu Good point, Syakir! Maybe we should do a part 2 investigating exactly that... 😉🧐
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I'm Turkish and it bothers me how we are not a good country at football. I mean Turks are just CRAZY about football, but only at national matches (like Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe, Beşiktaş etc). But in worldwide we are not really succesful at it. That's just weird.
Ne kadar duygusal değilde teknik ve profesyonel yönden bakmak istesemde 10:03 te cengiz ünderin videosu girince gurur duydum ve gaza geldim.Bu kadar tutku ve duygu gerçekten tehlikeli,objektifliği alıp götürüyor.
You could also refer to Turkeys role in hosting many european teams in cities like Antalya in order to accomplish their preparation before the leagues start
you should have reported on the fourth largest club in turkey - trabzonspor. They have produced the most talent in turkish football in recent years. last season they sold one of their young players for 15 million and have two more players in their squad who are currently among the most valuable turkish players and are scouted by top clubs across europe.
Hi Semih, you're absolutely right. Trabzonspor are doing things differently and seem to be on the right path. Unfortunately we couldn't visit Trabzon. You think they've got what it takes to win the Süper Lig this season if it continues...?
@@dwkickoff This year we are ahead of our closest competitor by 12 points. For now, we are undefeated. This season most likely we will be champions after 39 years. That would be a good story ;)
Galatasaray has the same International trophys how the whole Ligue 1 (France) ... Süper Lig is to underrated
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Komrade Egg PSG is 1.05 Bi. worth but never won the CL Or EL
@Komrade Egg what do you mean by this comment?
Galatasaray have 1 Uefa Cup and 1 Uefa Super Cup so süper lig is better than Ligue 1
Kartal Abi I mean the Champions of Ligue 1 did destroy the Champions of Super Lig 5-0 but go off
War ja wie immer glasklar, das man wieder Thema Politik in das Video einbaut! Warum wundert mich das nicht.
Hi Murat, danke für dein Feedback. When German-born player Kaan Ayhan refused to give the military salute during the EURO qualifying campaign it became a huge topic, made headlines worldwide and it directly affected the national team. That's why we think that the political context had to be in the video ;) Stay at home und bleib gesund!
Every Turk is born a soldier.
Supporting the turkish army in its fight against Terrorists there is nothing wrong with that
Hassan Sas! I remember him from 2002 WC.
What a player 😍
Thank you for this nice documentary. I follow and watch awesome works at this channel. And you made a good documentary on Turkish football.
Thank you, Inter Stellar. Glad you like it. Spread the word!
One of the better documentaries on here on RUclips. Entertaining as well as informative
Thanks, Samuel. Spread the word!
''They all want success in the short term.''
This is true. Turkish people are very impatient about this
The Media?
This also true because in Turkey ,Those who have an idea, dont have rights and those who have rights, have no idea.
''The Clubs from İstanbul dominated Turkish football for decades''
One of the problems is for example. If there is competition, you will be strong . For example Premier League, Seria A in 00's.
Fans?
In Turkey, The stadium is not full in most matches, except for the derbs. Valid for all teams. But look at the biggest Europe leagues, Even if any team will play with the last league, the stadium will be full.
At last in my opinion , Turkey does not yet have a football culture, literally.
Euer Beitrag ist sehr schön und aufschlussreich, jedoch hättet ihr die Politik sein lassen können, das gibt dem Ganzen einen unschönen Touch.
Hi Teoman, danke für dein Feedback! Since politics was involved during the EURO qualifying campaign and German-born player Kaan Ayhan refused to give the military salute it directly affected the national team and made headlines worldwide. That's why we disagree and do think that the political context had to be in that video.
The same problems happen within Liga MX (the Mexican league). No one is betting on young players because they all want to win a title that same year. There is no trust for the youngsters and some never debut or retire at a young age or go and play in a foreign country.
Hi Rebel, check out our Mexico documentary: ruclips.net/video/_kwrKUUKCu8/видео.html
As you said, It’s like a Religion not for having Fun...
Nope. We are having fun
Such an amazing video topic, thankful to you for clarifying stuff (i'm not Turkish, but was wondering about those nuances with Turkish football).
Hi man, thanks for the nice words 😉🙏
Awesome documentary, thanks for it.
Thanks, Rob! Spread the word...
because all their best players choose to play for germany instead . the likes of ozil is not german hes a 100% turk
Özil, Gündoğan and Emre Can, you mean? Many others chose to play for Turkey though. From Hamit Altintop to Ilhan Mansiz and Nuri Sahin...
@@dwkickoff mehmet scholl also could have played for turkey
@@bom89ar60 Even I am more turkish than Mehmet Scholl lol