Monitor nerf is already in place - dev made it so Flux Shunt hullmod prevents installation of Safety Overrides in the first place, since it was the flux dissipation from SO what made Monitor unkillable.
From what i've noticed going deeper and deeper in to starsector, is that at higher fleet sizes range starts getting more and more a stat that's critical. you just get to bring so much more guns to bear on a target and have so much covered ground to retreat and vent
This applies to fundamentally all battle, irl, historically, and in games. Range is king. Having the ability to shoot at your enemy while all *they* can do is sit and watch the bullets come is a massive advantage. Even if you don't have the speed to keep them at range, the early alpha strike forces your enemy to raise shields, lowering their speed, building hard flux, etc. etc. while you still have nothing to worry about.
it depends on how dense the fight is, if you micromanage to break apart fleets into multiple 3v3s range doesnt really matter, the problem is when a guy with low range goes to confirm a kill and gets focused by their entire fleet
@@joelfilho2625 Its why i love Diable Avionics to much in starsector. It's got that great mix of stand-off tactics and just saturation tactics when going in for the kill after the initial skirmish
I prefer Herons with Thunderwings. The ai sends them to attack and escort allies for protection. The EMP from the Thunders is very nice and when focused a target they can shutdown larger ships… also bully frigates like no tomorrow XD. Their speed and range is incredible they can zoom across battlefield wherever they are needed either to recover or attack. They can even dodge some projectile PD with their speed, obviously lasers work best tho.
Yooo, a midline fleet without Gryphon spam, mad respect sir. Also damn was this recorded half a year ago, maybe more? I remember those Spiderman zoomer edits and that shit is ancient I feel like. But seeing how you woke up from a metaphorical hibernation perhaps you're just catching up with the rest of the world.
I wondered a Perun reference was on the way when you said 'I should do a power point presentation'... So if you do a power point on Starsector, I'm happy, and if you can do a dominions video too, I'm delighted. But... ...if you do an in-depth presentation on 155mm shell production in Europe, then I'll be mentioning it to friends and family.
This video did feel like a PP presentation anyway. Might as well add that. To be fair I'm having trouble following Perun lately. those presentations do take time to absorb.
You know, that Midline hits hard. Those midline ships hit deep. I don't know what's going on, but I feel compelled to use the word "hits" to describe how I feel about something; atleast for the past 5 years. Like a stockshow judge describing a goat or steer...
Hmm, double Burst PD on the Pegasus probably has better firing arcs but I prefer using Dual FLAK when I can because of the higher sustained damage. On the Champion I'd be tempted to drop 4 capacitors for 4 Mining Lasers. Grouped together they're actually not that bad.
31:00 Would unironically love this. I've pretty much only been playing frigate spam, and I'd really like any sort of edu content that would help me play it better in the endgame. Orders specifically I feel like are really important. But I think that aspect of my gameplay is a bit coinflippy. I'm genuinely not sure if I'm giving the wrong orders sometimes, or if the AI goes from 'pretty competent' to 'extremely braindead' randomly. It's hard to pinpoint when I'm also flying a ship of my own.
I feel like any spradsheet you made and talked about with loadouts etc would change how the community play the game. I swear everytime you do a fleet like this it looks average and then you go to combat and it just dominates everything. I love it
Omnissiah's Blessing Upon This Endeavor To Whom It May Concern, By the will of the Machine God and the purity of logic, I humbly petition that the sacred task of constructing the revered PowerPoint presentation be undertaken. This cogitator-scripted artifact shall serve as a vessel of knowledge, conveying the divine order of our intentions to all who gaze upon its slides. Let it be crafted with diligence and precision, adorned with clarity and the cog-symbol of efficiency, for it is through such meticulous devotion that we honor the Omnissiah's eternal wisdom. May the sparks of ingenuity guide your hands in this righteous endeavor. In the Omnissiah’s service, Enginseer of the Sacred Datafolds
Played something extremely similar around a year ago, except a bit more missile-centric with a Gryphon. It was good, but I constantly ran into issues with AI doing dumb stuff like one long range ship chasing an enemy into close quarters and another one (same exact behavior parameters and long-range setup) just hiding behind the first one at zero flux and doing nothing. Thankfully the personally piloted assymetric Conquest held it all together in "mostly functional" condition against ordos, since remnants tend to overvalue their shields even in numerical advantage.
@@bigbrainenergyguy i figured that out with a bit of googling and reading through the comments. it's crazy how he's known primarily for something completely different than what I knew him from, but such is life I suppose. it would be like Drachinifel playing a game, going viral and suddenly the naval history is on the second, backburner channel.
Intros like these are exactly why I was totally flabbergasted you're so much younger than me. 😅 You're giving major sarcastic Xennial. Did I do that right? Anyway, this is exactly the content that make this channel a must-sub for any Starsector player. I usually give Champions the more obvious full laser treatment and am often underwhelmed even with with High Energy Focus. I never would've thought to pair the Tach Lance with HVDs. In fact I'd have guessed you'd just use Eagles or even another capital instead, like a support Pegasus with Squalls and Locusts or something. I usually stick either PD or Salamanders (or both) on my Monitors and set them on escort duty, but it only just occurred to me as I watched that I may be holding them back doing that. I'm guessing the Light Mortars (or any non-PD/non-missile weapon) changes their AI? And of course now I'm wondering if two small ballistics are even worth it; I'd be tempted to stick a Salamander on there just for that extra annoyance factor. Lastly it always seemed like the general consensus was that nerfing the Hurricane MIRV back in 0.96 killed them, but wow, that Pegasus with four of them plus Fast Missile Racks and ECCM is a menace! Great show!
Hey everyone, I want to know what you guys opinion is on phase ships/fleets. I constantly hear that they're bad after the nerf but rn I have phase only fleet and its doing fine
unitary shades are very powerful, but phase ships cannot go through shields, no ballistics and no squall leaves them with no options, but they can still win with heavy micro
@@dgam4211 Almost all phase ships have a slot that can do significant kinetic damage except harbinger, the frigates all have hybrids/universal slots that you can put light needlers, the Doom has 2 missile slots you can put sabots in and I dont even need to talk about the gremlin and grendel.
Me @ Midline when my game is vanilla: Ew, disgusting, gross. Why would I ever use you instead of big brick or high tech?? Me when Diable Avionics is in my game: I am and will always love midline. I've said this my entire life.
This game is great. You have playstyles, gambits in chess, "line infantry" tactics in 2D space, which is reminiscent of the armies of the past. The tactics of the middle fleet are linear tactics in the classic form, your total energy pool is simply higher than the enemy's and you overcome it in a direct clash with alternating first and second lines. Low-tech ships are Roman cohorts with heavy self-sufficient units that go on a long campaign against barbarians without support and they will be strong enough to stand against the enemy, setting up a marching camp right in the middle of the pirate system. High-tech fleet is cavalry in its classic sense. You can compare it to the Alans, Winged Hussars or again the classic knights of the Middle Ages. And then there are the Huns and Mongols who walk right through you and, screaming "nothing personal, kid," evaporate you and your ***g gaming chair.
I should not be surprised that someone who treats starsector as a way to express their need to autistically design an efficient warfighting doctrine is a fellow Perun Enjoyer.
I do remember Perun! He used to play MP Dominions(great game by the way), then, just like you, I stopped watching and now he does all this military analysis stuff, with some Terra Invicta on the side. Very funny, lol Midline is great. It's not actually a jack of all trades. Sure, the hulls are flexible in the sense that you can make a lot of different fits, but it works best when specialized within an overarching fleet structure. I personaly like the range doctrine. The battle in this video is a good showing why. Unless you are fighting Pathers or reckless AIs, the enemy will be afraid of your long range weapons and will be mostly unable to shoot you. If they charge in, you shoot them a bunch before they get in range, often killing them. Midline burns bright with a range build! Still trying to make the Vigilance work as more than a simple Pilum platform. Very finnicky ship. I have had some success with a torpedo boat strike build of Heavy Needlers and Jackhammers with as much speed as possible. Always great to see one charging an overfluxed capital, loosing them torps for the sweet kill.
I like midline design alot but the ai cannot use midline ships mix of shields and armor well. I feel like the ai uses high tech shields well and I mean, you kind of have to go through low tech armor to kill a ship so ai makes use of it by default, but some midline ships who are hybrid 1.0 shield mitigation ships with some armor the ai cannot make use of. They will overload on the suboptimal shield Flux mitigation and then the armor is not spectacular either so they die fast in alot of cases. The monitor is kind of an anomaly but I end up having to upgrade that poor midline shield mitigation with hardened shields or something since the ai uses low mitigation shields poorly.
I usually fly my ships without building-in any hullmods, to pretend that it's an equal fight against ai fleet. I think it could be interesting to see some opinions about unmodded ships in the future.
The s-mod bonus also fully negates the range penalty from enemy ECM so it's a little better than just that, but you could easily swap it out for something else.
"Me and I are not so different, Rizzler-Man. You chose of the way of the Beta and i chose the way of the Sigma, and they fanum-taxed you for awhile, the alpha-males of this city, but the one thing, they love more than a rizzler, is to see a rizzler mew, in ohio. In spite of everything you've done for them, they will mog you, why griddy?"
Speaking of champion fit Will it make sense to smod EMR instead of ITU to buff squall's staying time and, on top of that, getting additional 5 OP to drop whenever you need to?
from what i understand the SO monitor nerf happened by just... not allowing monitor to take SO, unless you mean theyre letting it have it again but at the tradeoff of delicate machinery?
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Dude you already are the Perun of Starsector. A two hour powerpoint presentation about loadouts would sick as hell.
Lmfao this has to be the best metaphor ever
Ah yes. Of course starsector players also watch perun religiously. Could have thought of that on my own
You watch Perun and BBE to sate your autism, I watch Perun and BBE to prepare for war crimes and orbital bombardments. We're not the same.
Ah starsector… were “two hour power point presentation” and “Sick as hell” is so much more common than you think.
Seconded, I would deeply enjoy that
Disappears for 7 months then out of the blue he rolls out 3 videos, what a chad
Never let them know your next move.
I forgot _just_ how much I've missed your doctrine yapping
Side note, I would 100% watch a five hour masterclass on "how make fleet good"
You’ve put up so much content since coming back. Hope there’s much more to come :)
naw (translation: ye)
The dry humor, the detailed explanations of doctrine, the Rizzler discourse, what more could I ask for beside the PowerPoint presentation?
Dude ngl I started cry laughing at “She midlines until I cruiser doctrine” 😂😂 that’s my comedy funny bone right there
She mids on my linw untill I pegasus
Monitor nerf is already in place - dev made it so Flux Shunt hullmod prevents installation of Safety Overrides in the first place, since it was the flux dissipation from SO what made Monitor unkillable.
I must be misremembering then. It's been a while.
microing monitors is still a cheat code
From what i've noticed going deeper and deeper in to starsector, is that at higher fleet sizes range starts getting more and more a stat that's critical.
you just get to bring so much more guns to bear on a target and have so much covered ground to retreat and vent
This applies to fundamentally all battle, irl, historically, and in games. Range is king. Having the ability to shoot at your enemy while all *they* can do is sit and watch the bullets come is a massive advantage. Even if you don't have the speed to keep them at range, the early alpha strike forces your enemy to raise shields, lowering their speed, building hard flux, etc. etc. while you still have nothing to worry about.
it depends on how dense the fight is, if you micromanage to break apart fleets into multiple 3v3s range doesnt really matter, the problem is when a guy with low range goes to confirm a kill and gets focused by their entire fleet
@@joelfilho2625 Its why i love Diable Avionics to much in starsector. It's got that great mix of stand-off tactics and just saturation tactics when going in for the kill after the initial skirmish
31:42 Perun mentioned! Wasn't expecting that
How could you not expect that? We are talking about a starsector player here!
I really enjoy your deep dives into ship design/loadout, fleet composition, and how to make everything work together. Glad to have you back!
Mr Pimp my Fleet up there
Me : Slap some *_DAKKA_* **5 mins later** ship farts itself
_g r e a t_
i love listening to a png file yap about starsector for an hour
I prefer Herons with Thunderwings. The ai sends them to attack and escort allies for protection. The EMP from the Thunders is very nice and when focused a target they can shutdown larger ships… also bully frigates like no tomorrow XD. Their speed and range is incredible they can zoom across battlefield wherever they are needed either to recover or attack. They can even dodge some projectile PD with their speed, obviously lasers work best tho.
This man is cooking, hopefully the power supply can hold up.
Yooo, a midline fleet without Gryphon spam, mad respect sir. Also damn was this recorded half a year ago, maybe more? I remember those Spiderman zoomer edits and that shit is ancient I feel like. But seeing how you woke up from a metaphorical hibernation perhaps you're just catching up with the rest of the world.
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I kinda love your loadout and fleet comp videos a lot. Helps me understand the game better
I wondered a Perun reference was on the way when you said 'I should do a power point presentation'...
So if you do a power point on Starsector, I'm happy, and if you can do a dominions video too, I'm delighted.
But...
...if you do an in-depth presentation on 155mm shell production in Europe, then I'll be mentioning it to friends and family.
I love your videos. Have you ever considered live streaming?
I'm considering it! If everything goes well I'll run a test stream next weekend.
0:44
Thank you for bursting my appendix. That was painful
love the vid bro
10:35 one can also assign smaller ships to `defend` or `escort` on the ship one do not want to get flanked
lmao power point presentation on fleet actions sounds kinda funny ngl
Stays quiet for months then drops 3 bangers in a row, Heavy Mauler ass video schedule. (glad ur back tho :>)
Glad you're back, I've been struggling on finding a useful build for my Herons when full trident spam usually ends with them defanged 2 minutes in.
missed your videos! 😊
This video did feel like a PP presentation anyway. Might as well add that. To be fair I'm having trouble following Perun lately. those presentations do take time to absorb.
just in time for my new midline playthrough 😈
You know, that Midline hits hard. Those midline ships hit deep. I don't know what's going on, but I feel compelled to use the word "hits" to describe how I feel about something; atleast for the past 5 years. Like a stockshow judge describing a goat or steer...
Babe wake up a new starsector build essay just dropped
Welcome back
Thanks for a great video!
33:30
This dilemma. Fleets I like the most to use can only handle 1 ordo at most
Campions with safety overrides and ion cannons with reaper launchers are insane.
If you make a powerpoint about fleet combat in Starsector, I (and likely many others) would genuinely watch that.
Multi hours presentation does sounds nice
Hmm, double Burst PD on the Pegasus probably has better firing arcs but I prefer using Dual FLAK when I can because of the higher sustained damage.
On the Champion I'd be tempted to drop 4 capacitors for 4 Mining Lasers. Grouped together they're actually not that bad.
The music was my favorite anime so Far tbh
31:00
Would unironically love this. I've pretty much only been playing frigate spam, and I'd really like any sort of edu content that would help me play it better in the endgame. Orders specifically I feel like are really important. But I think that aspect of my gameplay is a bit coinflippy. I'm genuinely not sure if I'm giving the wrong orders sometimes, or if the AI goes from 'pretty competent' to 'extremely braindead' randomly. It's hard to pinpoint when I'm also flying a ship of my own.
I feel like any spradsheet you made and talked about with loadouts etc would change how the community play the game. I swear everytime you do a fleet like this it looks average and then you go to combat and it just dominates everything. I love it
I died a little inside during the rizzler bit but it is still very welcome.
the king post another video, rejoice!
OH MAN! I MISSED THESE SO MUCH!
Perun is a funny success story! I would love a Starsector fleet doctrine PowerPoint
I hecking love the Falcon!
One way to make beams actually work is wolf, graviton and high scatter. Jump in, shred shields in no time, launch torpedos and jump out.
Now i have big brain like you, thanks!
Omnissiah's Blessing Upon This Endeavor
To Whom It May Concern,
By the will of the Machine God and the purity of logic, I humbly petition that the sacred task of constructing the revered PowerPoint presentation be undertaken. This cogitator-scripted artifact shall serve as a vessel of knowledge, conveying the divine order of our intentions to all who gaze upon its slides.
Let it be crafted with diligence and precision, adorned with clarity and the cog-symbol of efficiency, for it is through such meticulous devotion that we honor the Omnissiah's eternal wisdom.
May the sparks of ingenuity guide your hands in this righteous endeavor.
In the Omnissiah’s service,
Enginseer of the Sacred Datafolds
Holy moly, fly enjoyer himself is back 😢
Could we see a Sinderian Fleet? Like most/all ships having their special D-Mod on the Executor and Eagles?
You need to showcase the genius of the Lion of Sindria!
Played something extremely similar around a year ago, except a bit more missile-centric with a Gryphon. It was good, but I constantly ran into issues with AI doing dumb stuff like one long range ship chasing an enemy into close quarters and another one (same exact behavior parameters and long-range setup) just hiding behind the first one at zero flux and doing nothing. Thankfully the personally piloted assymetric Conquest held it all together in "mostly functional" condition against ordos, since remnants tend to overvalue their shields even in numerical advantage.
Like these analyze - thinking vids. BTW : Point defense on Champion would be better aim forward, or at least sides.
When you mentioned Perun I was puzzled because all i knew him from was the Terra Invicta Series.
After his main channel blew up he made a second channel for gaming.
@@bigbrainenergyguy i figured that out with a bit of googling and reading through the comments. it's crazy how he's known primarily for something completely different than what I knew him from, but such is life I suppose. it would be like Drachinifel playing a game, going viral and suddenly the naval history is on the second, backburner channel.
Intros like these are exactly why I was totally flabbergasted you're so much younger than me. 😅 You're giving major sarcastic Xennial.
Did I do that right?
Anyway, this is exactly the content that make this channel a must-sub for any Starsector player. I usually give Champions the more obvious full laser treatment and am often underwhelmed even with with High Energy Focus. I never would've thought to pair the Tach Lance with HVDs. In fact I'd have guessed you'd just use Eagles or even another capital instead, like a support Pegasus with Squalls and Locusts or something.
I usually stick either PD or Salamanders (or both) on my Monitors and set them on escort duty, but it only just occurred to me as I watched that I may be holding them back doing that. I'm guessing the Light Mortars (or any non-PD/non-missile weapon) changes their AI? And of course now I'm wondering if two small ballistics are even worth it; I'd be tempted to stick a Salamander on there just for that extra annoyance factor.
Lastly it always seemed like the general consensus was that nerfing the Hurricane MIRV back in 0.96 killed them, but wow, that Pegasus with four of them plus Fast Missile Racks and ECCM is a menace!
Great show!
She midline on my fleet comp until I cruiser doctrine
Why cant i use most of my ships agienst bigger enemy fleets but small enemy fleets i can send in 4 capital ships?
35:47 best youtuber ever
Hey everyone, I want to know what you guys opinion is on phase ships/fleets. I constantly hear that they're bad after the nerf but rn I have phase only fleet and its doing fine
I've never tried a full phase fleet so I can't speak on that, but in small numbers I can confirm they are still great.
unitary shades are very powerful, but phase ships cannot go through shields, no ballistics and no squall leaves them with no options, but they can still win with heavy micro
@@dgam4211 Almost all phase ships have a slot that can do significant kinetic damage except harbinger, the frigates all have hybrids/universal slots that you can put light needlers, the Doom has 2 missile slots you can put sabots in and I dont even need to talk about the gremlin and grendel.
@@attacheli9591 yea but consider the opposition, also the AI is remarkably bad with phase ships
Me @ Midline when my game is vanilla:
Ew, disgusting, gross. Why would I ever use you instead of big brick or high tech??
Me when Diable Avionics is in my game:
I am and will always love midline. I've said this my entire life.
I need that Fleet comp power point now.
This game is great. You have playstyles, gambits in chess, "line infantry" tactics in 2D space, which is reminiscent of the armies of the past. The tactics of the middle fleet are linear tactics in the classic form, your total energy pool is simply higher than the enemy's and you overcome it in a direct clash with alternating first and second lines.
Low-tech ships are Roman cohorts with heavy self-sufficient units that go on a long campaign against barbarians without support and they will be strong enough to stand against the enemy, setting up a marching camp right in the middle of the pirate system.
High-tech fleet is cavalry in its classic sense. You can compare it to the Alans, Winged Hussars or again the classic knights of the Middle Ages.
And then there are the Huns and Mongols who walk right through you and, screaming "nothing personal, kid," evaporate you and your ***g gaming chair.
dude it was literaly just squalls overloading everyone while hurricanes and carriers clear them
Next theme is then low tech and maybe after that a optimised combined (meta) fleet i guess?
I should not be surprised that someone who treats starsector as a way to express their need to autistically design an efficient warfighting doctrine is a fellow Perun Enjoyer.
I would personally love a powepoint about fleet commands.
I do remember Perun! He used to play MP Dominions(great game by the way), then, just like you, I stopped watching and now he does all this military analysis stuff, with some Terra Invicta on the side. Very funny, lol
Midline is great. It's not actually a jack of all trades. Sure, the hulls are flexible in the sense that you can make a lot of different fits, but it works best when specialized within an overarching fleet structure. I personaly like the range doctrine. The battle in this video is a good showing why. Unless you are fighting Pathers or reckless AIs, the enemy will be afraid of your long range weapons and will be mostly unable to shoot you. If they charge in, you shoot them a bunch before they get in range, often killing them. Midline burns bright with a range build!
Still trying to make the Vigilance work as more than a simple Pilum platform. Very finnicky ship. I have had some success with a torpedo boat strike build of Heavy Needlers and Jackhammers with as much speed as possible. Always great to see one charging an overfluxed capital, loosing them torps for the sweet kill.
I fell ashamed I didn't get to watch this is the milosecond it got posted.
holy shit consistency?
If you watch at 1.5 speed it sounds slightly less like an AI is trying enroll you in starsector college.
She midlines on my midline till I cruise.
She monitors my pegasus till Im off
everything without large missile slots are glorified anvils
I like midline design alot but the ai cannot use midline ships mix of shields and armor well. I feel like the ai uses high tech shields well and I mean, you kind of have to go through low tech armor to kill a ship so ai makes use of it by default, but some midline ships who are hybrid 1.0 shield mitigation ships with some armor the ai cannot make use of. They will overload on the suboptimal shield Flux mitigation and then the armor is not spectacular either so they die fast in alot of cases. The monitor is kind of an anomaly but I end up having to upgrade that poor midline shield mitigation with hardened shields or something since the ai uses low mitigation shields poorly.
I usually fly my ships without building-in any hullmods, to pretend that it's an equal fight against ai fleet.
I think it could be interesting to see some opinions about unmodded ships in the future.
Rather liked this midline theme video, would be very cool to see a Luddic Path video.
I saw midline and came as fast as I could.
As someone who never pick Mid Line, this was pretty educational.
Could you do this type of magic with low teach?
Give us the rough copy fleet guide that you bang out in 30 mins lmao
I Always thought the range reduction negation was for missiles only i guess thats what i get for not actually testing it
Have u tried a Champions build using Ironpulsers and a eighter an Autopuls laser or a Gigercannon
Have you played with Second in Command yet? I’d love to see how you synergise between all the new skills.
38:03 Ayo what a backshot xD
Hes back
31:57 And he STILL won't post the end of the Omniscience Dominions game, damnit!
YOOOO YOURE BACK
Great video as always. Question: is ECCM on the falcons for just the salamanders really worth it?
The s-mod bonus also fully negates the range penalty from enemy ECM so it's a little better than just that, but you could easily swap it out for something else.
@bigbrainenergyguy I feel stupid, I could have just read the description. You are a man of exceptional character, thank you for answering!
Delicate Machinery feels a bit roigh though. Having my Monitors love forever, without SO, is still something I quite like.
"Me and I are not so different, Rizzler-Man. You chose of the way of the Beta and i chose the way of the Sigma, and they fanum-taxed you for awhile, the alpha-males of this city, but the one thing, they love more than a rizzler, is to see a rizzler mew, in ohio. In spite of everything you've done for them, they will mog you, why griddy?"
symmetrical HA conquest i cant
She midlines until I fast carrier
38:02 backshots even
Hello, Big Brain!
Christmas came early it seems
I'm one of the few people who miss his nation overviews.
She Midline my fleet until I'm Persean League
She mid lines on my fleet til im cruising
Speaking of champion fit
Will it make sense to smod EMR instead of ITU to buff squall's staying time and, on top of that, getting additional 5 OP to drop whenever you need to?
What do you think about GrumpyThumper pegasus build from last series (hydra + autolance).
BTW: Can you make the same video about low-tech? I'm playing with it now, and it sucks in my hands.
I might have something in mind.
31:21 - do it! Do it!
from what i understand the SO monitor nerf happened by just... not allowing monitor to take SO, unless you mean theyre letting it have it again but at the tradeoff of delicate machinery?
Of course you would watch perun...