Honestly, I don't think the ump was laughing at him, I think the ump was just nervous, and some people can have a tendency to smirk like that when they are nervous.
Absolutely. And Libka's a young umpire, I think this is his second full season, so I imagine it was probably a nervous reaction to Arenado throwing an absolute tantrum.
@@c5t2 What could possibly make one nervous about a jacked manchild screaming at him while spiking a club and helmet at full force--all inches from his face with visceral anger exploding from every cell, amid a heated (in more ways than one in August) rivalry game at the top level of the profession?
Ah yes, the unprofessionalism of smiling at someone in your face and they're mad about the consequences of their actions. What else did you expect for blowing up in my face?!
That was close enough to appeal to 1st. It wouldn't have hurt just to make certain, then Arenado, or any player/manager, for that matter wouldn't be ejected and the game goes on.
@@LJA46 What he’s saying is that once it’s called a strike, that’s it, no more checking and that’s what it will be. You can appeal a check swing to make a ball a strike but not the other way around.
It reminds me of the time when he was with the Rockies when he got an animated reaction out of Alfonso Marquez when he got ejected by him for continuing to argue balls and strikes. Man, Marquez was not having any of it.
The ump is unprofessional for smiling, except the guy getting paid millions of dollars for yelling like that. Especially when you know you get tossed for arguing balls/strikes.
If the ump didn’t suck at their job…like referring to the first base ump in a situation you’re supposed to…then players wouldn’t have to call them out for it
And at any other business if the employee or the customer acted like that, even if the other person was wrong, the employee would be fired, the customer would get thrown out. And I think he went enough to call that a swing.
@@route2070 my problem, and I’ve said this in another thread is there shouldn’t be an “I think that’s enough”. It shouldn’t be a judgment call, and shouldn’t be up for interpretation. If that bat goes past a certain point that should be the only time it’s a swing.
I get that, and I am fine with that, except that would have to be a robo or video only call, since the forward and back nature of a check swing, I think is harder then the one direction of a pitch. And the camera/sensor would have to be a directly above the plate to catch it.
I think the fact that his arms were so extended make it a swing by the ACTUAL rule, even if he didn't swing far enough to qualify according to what everyone wrongly thinks is the rule.
Maybe I'm wrong and would love some added insight here but I was always under the impression for thirty plus years the bat had to cross the plate completely. Again I'm not being an ass or anything would love so MLB rules from the book insight here. Like how does it read in the actual rulebook
@@briangarrett3668 The rulebook merely says whether the umpire judges the batter attempting a swing. That's a big part of the problem. MLB won't set a clear standard.
What a load of BS, the umpire is clearly taunting Arenado smiling in his face. Umpire should be taken to task for that. No excuse. Umpires should also be held accountable.
Arenado's wrists didn't "break" and I can certainly see why he as the batter did not expect that to be called a swing. Plus of course they always want the appeal, but I'm sure he would have reacted the same way towards that umpire. I like the analysis on the bat being extended so far might be what got it called. I'm sure the first check swing influenced everyone's opinion to some degree as well.
@@closethockeyfan5284 But players and managers still have misconceptions when it comes to the rules and I think Matt Williams was just trying to be understanding to that and fair to all viewpoints of the call even if they're not right by rule. Especially when the rule is "did he swing at the ball? Then it's a swing". People start making up their own rules for if it's a swing or not. Lots of kids get taught "don't break your wrists on the swing" and such to check their swing. Umpire's will look for where the bat head is and other techniques to tell if the batter offered or not. Arenado probably thought he held back really well. His reaction to the call not being his way was stupid though.
What bothers me the most is the home plate ump had no issues with the first check swing as in checking down to first base ump. Been when it became all about him .strike three you went and no I'm not checking bc it's MY time. And sadly a lot of umps work that way.
As a Cubs fan watching this go down just brought a smile to my face. But, I will say he was on the victims side of a couple calls. Which hey, that shit sucks and I don't blame him for getting pissed. HOWEVER, when you blow up like that directly in the umpires face, and then blow up again because you're shocked you just got ejected....I'm gonna be rolling around on the ground laughing my ass off. Come on man, how could you not expect to be ejected? Btw, hope everything went well with your wife giving birth today.
I appreciate your honesty first on the calls and secondly and most importantly your care over the birth of his child. But to use one of your phrases as a Cards fan I find it humorous that Cubs fans have to use this as a reason to enjoy MLB these days. See you in the playoffs. Oh wait nm
Arenado's bat was still moving forward as the ball went over the plate. The bat did not stop until the ball was already in the catcher's glove. ( 2:19 - 2:23 )
Better a smile than an ump show. Libka stayed calm, made the ejection without much fanfare and let Arenado have his meltdown without escalating things further. About as uneventful as an ejection can get, I think.
I’m a saint Louis guy and love the cards with all my heart but I also work at a school in the special education department and this is a tantrum straight up. Screaming “No, no, no” is what children do and I would have a hard time laughing if I was the ump. But I love Arenado for that fire. Plus his wife was about to give birth so maybe he was just letting out some steam before going to the hospital. Anyway, great video again. Thank you!
What is to criticize here? Arenado blew up about a JUDGEMENT call. All Libka did was smile, because Arenado made it one of the easiest ejections of the season.
We got our money’s worth for the 25th time this year. The one thing you left out of this was how Nolan Arenado threw his helmet and he started acting a fool before he got ejected.
@@OzTvFam Well, the fine could increase, and that risks escalation. OP, it feels like it has to be more than that. Seems to happen every ejection I watch, hahaha
Nah but umpires are paid to be professional and unbiased and don't face consequences when they aren't. Players absolutely do face consequences, getting ejected and fined being the start of it. This is the second time this series an umpire has thrown out a Cardinal and laughed in his face about it afterwards. Say what you will about the call and the ejection, but how are you going to compare the emotions of a player and an umpire like that's at all valid. And as a kicker, pretty interesting you didn't talk about the fact that Oli didn't get thrown out. Definitely makes it seem like the umpire knew he wasn't 100% in the right.
The problem with the rule as it stands is that it's clear he "struck at" the 0-1 pitch. That the usage of the rule actually is different than the rule in the book. That's what I've been trying to tell people for some time now.
I used to really enjoy all your break downs of ejections, talking through the rules and what could possibly be going on in the thought process of the calls. Lately, that has really been missing in these break downs and it has REALLY gotten into opinion and conversation that is loosely relevant at best. I thought you were getting back to that at the beginning of this video with a good structural black and white break down and then you went on a rant about people getting mad at your for being happy when they aren’t happy. Completely irrelevant and took a comment from somewhere else are REALLY stretched it into something it wasn’t. Steer clear of the random soapboxes that dont apply and stick to break downs of rules and reasons for calls and it would make this a lot more effective and relevant to watch. You are really great at rules and calls explanation, thats what I enjoy watching.
that's because the MLB rules don't define what an attempt at swinging at a baseball is so they leave it to the Umpires to make that discretion and I can personally see it both ways
@@MattZRJSRoxy They should always appeal it because at this point it's getting ridiculous for the home plate umpire to make the calls when they're wrong.
@@angelinolad3242 It is the plate umpire's call. He should never appeal when he sees a strike, which it was. The umpire was not wrong. Don't pretend you know anything about umpiring.
@@backwardsK45 No, that one is true. Rule 5.09(b)(6): "Any runner is out when He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base ..." It must be *before,* meaning simultaneous does not count as an out. Tie 100% goes to the runner.
@@closethockeyfan5284 Tie goes to the runner may be literally true from a rules perspective, but practically it is more used as a demand by people in low level baseball that no close play can be called out because "tie goes to the runner" ignoring the fact that a tie is pretty much impossible. It's a safe way to umpire if you aren't good at it, if it's very close just call the runner safe and people will usually accept it. But in reality either the runner beat the ball or not and if your judgment is that the runner is out by a microsecond, then it's an out.
@@菊池清太郎 That's the worst logic I've heard yet. If anything your going to push calls the other way. It's when both teams are getting it that the Ump knows he fucked up.
@@KWally No, I'd agree with that original reply. As an objective umpire trying to do my impartial best, I'm going to consider whether I missed that call. That in turn can allow doubt to creep in on future calls. There is no logic in declaring mistakes occurred only and definitely if both teams complain. It's completely possible both teams are wrong OR that an umpire is wrong when only one party complains.
I'm a Cards fan, but the Ump throwing Arenado out was the right reaction. Libka's smiling because he's keeping his cool and not getting pissed off. Arenado can get mad all he wants, but he knows that you can't get in an ump's face arguing over ball/strike calls. Strike call was still wrong IMO.
That's a horsesh!t call, plain & simple. It may be his "primary" call, but it's too close to NOT get help. The bat was NOT completely over the plate. And then to smile in his face is pathetic. MLB umpires need to be fined & replaced when they screw up. I saw take the bottom 10% & put them in AAA ball & bring up the corresponding number of umpires from AAA. This was not funny in any sense of the word. The ump screwed the pooch!
Spot on! Hilarious that the Cardinals announcers say that the umpire was being unprofessional when Arrenado is jumping up and down pouting like a two year old.
Arenado was pretty funny and unprofessional at the same time. He absolutely lost it. They are paying him millions to play the game, not to get ejected in the top of the third. My first impression was it sure looked like a swing from the center field camera. It looked more like he was trying to protect and foul it off, not stop his swing.
@@Archerftw well if the home plate ump wanted help on the call then he would not have asked 3rd but 1st. Also it is home plates call and in his opinion the way the hitter moved and moved he bat at the ball that qualified as a swing and strike 3. He doesn't have to ask for help.
This crap where the umpire runs a player and then sits there and smiles at him - "I got the better of you, and there's nothing you can do about it, nahnah nuh nahnah." He knows he's wrong, but he won't back down, won't look for assistance from his crew mates, and is JUST WAITING for the player to say something that he can comfortably run him for.
This crap where a batter strikes out and argues is getting old. The umpire was not wrong. The umpire does not need to wait for him to say anything else besides arguing a correct call.
@@alanhess9306 Did you even look at the side-view replay of Arenado's check swing? The swing didn't "break" and it didn't come close to passing the front of the plate. It wasn't a swing to any reasonable viewer, except from the standpoint that the umpire basically has no objective standard to have to measure against, so they can decide completely on their own, batter to batter, what does or does not constitute a swing.
It looked like more of a nervous, cringed smile to me. I certainly did not get the sense that he was laughing or enjoying himself. The Cardinals crew needs to chill out on this one.
Sad to see Libka make a mistake like that. He should have appealed for a check on the swing to the first base umpire instead of calling it himself. He's usually one of the best umpires in the league.
First off we need to notice he checked to first earlier in the AB but once he became the show he called third strike. Could care less if the Cubs thought it was funny. It won't be funny when they watch stl in the playoffs again without them. The ump himself is one of those likes all the attention on himself person. Oh yeah and it was a no swing. This video maker obviously doesn't know the rules or intensity in game to game play. They just think the reactions are funny so post a video. You don't understand the rules nor the game itself apparently. Every player and fanbase would of had the same reaction given the circumstances. They claim no bias. Yet this happens daily in MLB but choose this one to post on. And again never admitting by the rules of the game that was NOT a check swing strike.
I get that that's just how he swings, but Arenado keeps getting these borderline calls against him I think in part because he leaves the bat out there when he tries to check. It seems like it always makes it look worse in real time than it does in the replay, much more so than other types of check swing. Funny that he has now been ejected multiple times for this exact issue and keeps doing it that way.
Cards fan here.... 1. The ump should've checked with first base ump that's anything close to a check swing. I've seen more deliberate swings get called a NO swing. And it was a check swing. 2. Arenado shouldn't have argued the call. He's gotta be better. We already had Goldy out of the lineup in that game and it wouldve been nice to have our second best hitter in there to help take 5 of 5 and sweep the Baby Bears. 3. To the woman that makes these videos....The Ump was definitely unprofessional. There's a better way for him to be as well. #facts!!!
@@lpCHEVlps311 no, it is the home plate umpire who has final decision unless, unless he ask for help. This was not a swing and he should have asked for help.
I love the indignation of the Cardinals broadcasters about Libka's smiling because they were pissed off about the call. I've smiled several times about the ridiculousness of an argument.
love how players who act like this are surprised there thrown out, not sure what they expect, pretty much showing up the ump, sure its a bad call, two wrongs don't make it right though
Looks like a genuine attempt to hit it until final second, the first check swing earlier in at bat was different and I think influences the call based on that one
Honestly bad call and that’s not a home plate umpires job to see if his wrists broke but you’re not supposed to blow up and get ejected if your MVP is not in the game.
@@amonrodriguez3518 agreed, Umpires have the authority to eject whomever they want if they argue calls especially balls and strikes, no one would ever side with an ejected player for arguing a call because they know it's not allowed but they still do it anyway, some Umpires have amazing patience though
@@MattZRJSRoxy I wouldn’t have ejected em. But he probably said a magic word because that was relatively quick. But if you’re going to say it, “say it with your chest” as Kevin hart would say… not when you leave facing away and looking at the ground.
@@tycorbson9651 Lou Gehrig was ejected 9 times for arguing balls and strikes, Yogi Berra 13 times and Mickey Mantle 8 times and none of them threw childish temper tantrums.
In his postgame session with the media, Nolan Arrenado included the line, "Obviously I can't be getting thrown out" while reiterating his disagreement with the call. I agreed with him on all counts. It was a missed call, but as the CCS commentator points out, the OBR gives umpires a wide berth on interpreting what a swing is. The OBR also makes it clear that that arguing a check-swing call is the same as arguing balls and strikes.
More BS lady: he didn't break his wrists and the bat head DID NOT clear the plate - it stopped half way through. The batter was trying to hold the swing from almost 2/3 of the way down through - he wasn't offering at the pitch. The more BS you make up to try to make Umpires look good, the more people remember the wise-azz smirk the HP umpire puts on the batter here. Amateurs.....
Why is this lady always defending the umpires. They're allowed to make aggregious mistakes with no accountability? An MLB umpire has nothing to lose but their job by making a bad call. Yet a player loses their at bat and the opportunity to excel their career. Plus the quick hook without asking for help from the first base umpire? Why can catchers appeal a swing and a hitter can't?
@@brianbuchheit2854 1. an MLB umpire would never lose their job over one bad call, nor should they...even the best ump will miss a call every once in a while 2. one lost at bat out of 600 or so in a full season denies a player the chance to excel in their career? LMAO 3. it's spelled "egregious"
@@MisterHoodrich89 when it's the end of the season and a bad call impacts a team's ability to win games, win their division, it impacts their career. Again, why can catchers appeal and not hitters. You have no answer
@@MisterHoodrich89 No, "aggregious" is something aggressively egregious, not just generally so. As in "the clueless HP umpire's call was massively aggregious".
You are trivializing this situation in just about every respect. John Libka is one of the best MLB umpires, sure, but he blew this call. Under your definition, there is no way there could EVER be a check swing on a low outside pitch. And anyway the home plate umpire is in no position to see whether the batter's swing was checked or not -- he's supposed to be watching where the BALL went. The check swing call should be referred to the first or third base umpire automatically without any need for an appeal. Finally, Libka's call intruded into the game and gave a huge push to the Cubs. Arenado did overreact -- as he admitted later --but with a call that bad that had so much impact on the game it's hard to blame him.
I really don’t think he was smiling to mock him or that he found anything funny. I’ve seen people nervous smile before it makes sense in this situation because of how hardcore Arenado was here
What many don't recognize is that the rules have interpretations. And umpires learn from instructors how to identify what actions constitute meeting the rule. Think of it the same way the US Supreme Court writes an opinion on its rulings. Both give guidance to enforce.
@@donh6416 oh goodness dude had to compare it to shady politics. I will say Umpires and nfl referees need to be held more accountable when they mess up. I just don’t see that as the case in this example
@@amonrodriguez3518 make em face press if they want the attention - just like players and managers. if you want to impact the game, be held to explain your reasoning and thought process. otherwise its just a bunch of dudes on youtubes assuming what the umpire was thinking for their own POV
The umpire talks back to the player: "that umpire is unprofessional!" The umpire laughs:" that umpire is unprofessional" So what, do you guys just want a punching bag taking all the abuse without emotion? GTFO... I hate it when broadcasters get upset at umpires for being human!
Yes, what the fuck lol. People expect minimum wage workers to have more respect for Walmart customers than some people expect from umpires lmfao. Part of their job is absolutely taking the high rode in a confrontation and when they don't they should be put on blast. Stand up for yourself sure, but mocking someone or egging them on as an umpire is beyond absurd.
Oh please... a grown man who gets paid way more than he should to play a game for a living throwing a tantrum... if I was the ump I'd openly laugh in his face. Go sit down Nolan, you're getting paid either way
@@briank2502 he’s not in the game right now. And for good reason. But when he plays he’s a monster. I would take em over Nolan. But of course not right now definitely lol
in that general sense basically walking up to the plate and physically standing in the batter's box - just standing - the ump could make the same call "hey i perceived in his intention of walking up here the batter made a legit attempt to strike at the ball by being in position. it's what i saw it's a judgement call sorry guys. my minions on youtubes will defend it go check it out like n subscribe yer outta here!!". F it - dude struck at the ball when he parked his car at 11am pregame before warmups.
Hey Narrator, what planet were you born on? It isn’t ok for the umpire to smile in the batter face even if you feel you can justify it. There’s only one thing I can say, go get your Barbies and leave the commentary to a female who understands the game.
Your latent sexism and ignorance is showing. Lindsay has been around the game of baseball for well over a decade as an official. Are you this bigoted in real life?
Good call, good ejection, good on libka to not instigate the situation further and not kicking out marmol. I think him smiling is far better than arguing back. I don’t know why STLs broadcast team took such offense to that, they would’ve been pissed if he gave it right back to arenado as well
Honestly, I don't think the ump was laughing at him, I think the ump was just nervous, and some people can have a tendency to smirk like that when they are nervous.
Absolutely. And Libka's a young umpire, I think this is his second full season, so I imagine it was probably a nervous reaction to Arenado throwing an absolute tantrum.
Lol oh okay
Nervous??!! Yeah...no.
@@c5t2 What could possibly make one nervous about a jacked manchild screaming at him while spiking a club and helmet at full force--all inches from his face with visceral anger exploding from every cell, amid a heated (in more ways than one in August) rivalry game at the top level of the profession?
@@closethockeyfan5284 facts 😂
Ah yes, the unprofessionalism of smiling at someone in your face and they're mad about the consequences of their actions. What else did you expect for blowing up in my face?!
That was close enough to appeal to 1st. It wouldn't have hurt just to make certain, then Arenado, or any player/manager, for that matter wouldn't be ejected and the game goes on.
That's not how the rule is enforced. You don't check with your partner if you see it as an attempt.
@@backwardsK45 They appeal to first base all the time. If someone has a better view, why not check?
You don't appeal if you've ruled it an attempt. You appeal if you rule he didn't.
@@backwardsK45 Agree to disagree because it can go either way.
@@LJA46 What he’s saying is that once it’s called a strike, that’s it, no more checking and that’s what it will be. You can appeal a check swing to make a ball a strike but not the other way around.
I agree with the ump, it is funny to watch a grown man throw a temper tantrum like a 2 year old who didn't get the candy he wanted.
Nolan Arenado cracks me up when he gets ejected 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 bringing back his Rockie days.
he would rather be with the Cards
It reminds me of the time when he was with the Rockies when he got an animated reaction out of Alfonso Marquez when he got ejected by him for continuing to argue balls and strikes. Man, Marquez was not having any of it.
@@anthonyvega-fujioka4464I gotta tell you, Alfonso Marquez had me dying laughing when he got that whack ass tiny strike zone since 1999 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
he was laughing because Arenado's reaction was hilarious
The ump is unprofessional for smiling, except the guy getting paid millions of dollars for yelling like that. Especially when you know you get tossed for arguing balls/strikes.
If the ump didn’t suck at their job…like referring to the first base ump in a situation you’re supposed to…then players wouldn’t have to call them out for it
And at any other business if the employee or the customer acted like that, even if the other person was wrong, the employee would be fired, the customer would get thrown out. And I think he went enough to call that a swing.
@@route2070 my problem, and I’ve said this in another thread is there shouldn’t be an “I think that’s enough”. It shouldn’t be a judgment call, and shouldn’t be up for interpretation. If that bat goes past a certain point that should be the only time it’s a swing.
I get that, and I am fine with that, except that would have to be a robo or video only call, since the forward and back nature of a check swing, I think is harder then the one direction of a pitch. And the camera/sensor would have to be a directly above the plate to catch it.
@@route2070 well that sounds great
I think the fact that his arms were so extended make it a swing by the ACTUAL rule, even if he didn't swing far enough to qualify according to what everyone wrongly thinks is the rule.
The actual rule is a judgement call.....
@@KWally Which I will never understand. At least give everyone *some* written standard to go on beyond "how much did the umpire think he tried."
Maybe I'm wrong and would love some added insight here but I was always under the impression for thirty plus years the bat had to cross the plate completely. Again I'm not being an ass or anything would love so MLB rules from the book insight here. Like how does it read in the actual rulebook
@@briangarrett3668 The rulebook merely says whether the umpire judges the batter attempting a swing. That's a big part of the problem. MLB won't set a clear standard.
What a load of BS, the umpire is clearly taunting Arenado smiling in his face. Umpire should be taken to task for that. No excuse. Umpires should also be held accountable.
BS, Arenado was acting like a jerk and the umpire was amused. Don't listen to the idiot announcers.
The amount of people laughing in the background of the cubs announcers was awesome
He didn't swing. The umpire didn't appeal it. Oli didn't get ejected. Nolan was right.
He offered at the pitch. The umpire properly called it a strike. Nolan was wrong and so are you.
@@alanhess9306He didn’t swing all the way. The bat didn’t go all the way over the plate. I think he should have asked down the line.
@@hunterbsmiththat’s not the rule though. lol
This was a Joey Votto like eruption by Arenado - love it!
That was a an attempt to strike at the ball.
As always, great work!
Arenado's wrists didn't "break" and I can certainly see why he as the batter did not expect that to be called a swing. Plus of course they always want the appeal, but I'm sure he would have reacted the same way towards that umpire.
I like the analysis on the bat being extended so far might be what got it called.
I'm sure the first check swing influenced everyone's opinion to some degree as well.
Wrists didnt break?? Have you ever seen a "sword" swing?
Yeah, the wrist bend has zero to do with whether it's a swing.
@@closethockeyfan5284 But players and managers still have misconceptions when it comes to the rules and I think Matt Williams was just trying to be understanding to that and fair to all viewpoints of the call even if they're not right by rule. Especially when the rule is "did he swing at the ball? Then it's a swing". People start making up their own rules for if it's a swing or not. Lots of kids get taught "don't break your wrists on the swing" and such to check their swing. Umpire's will look for where the bat head is and other techniques to tell if the batter offered or not. Arenado probably thought he held back really well. His reaction to the call not being his way was stupid though.
@@linollieum3742 I fully agree. Just noting it's not a factor.
What bothers me the most is the home plate ump had no issues with the first check swing as in checking down to first base ump. Been when it became all about him .strike three you went and no I'm not checking bc it's MY time. And sadly a lot of umps work that way.
As a Cubs fan watching this go down just brought a smile to my face. But, I will say he was on the victims side of a couple calls. Which hey, that shit sucks and I don't blame him for getting pissed. HOWEVER, when you blow up like that directly in the umpires face, and then blow up again because you're shocked you just got ejected....I'm gonna be rolling around on the ground laughing my ass off. Come on man, how could you not expect to be ejected?
Btw, hope everything went well with your wife giving birth today.
I appreciate your honesty first on the calls and secondly and most importantly your care over the birth of his child. But to use one of your phrases as a Cards fan I find it humorous that Cubs fans have to use this as a reason to enjoy MLB these days. See you in the playoffs. Oh wait nm
Is there a limit to how many times you can ask first or third if a check swing went for a strike? Why not ask again a minute later?
Home plate thought he struck at the pitch. That's all he needs.
There's no limit. HPU can call it himself or appeal.
no there isn't but if the Plate Umpire truly believes that he went then there's no reason to ask
You missed the ejection of Winker and Servais getting ejected at the Mariners Guardians game
Arenado's bat was still moving forward as the ball went over the plate. The bat did not stop until the ball was already in the catcher's glove. ( 2:19 - 2:23 )
Actually pretty refreshing to see the umpire react that way. It's always important to be professional... but sometimes you just have to laugh.
Better a smile than an ump show. Libka stayed calm, made the ejection without much fanfare and let Arenado have his meltdown without escalating things further. About as uneventful as an ejection can get, I think.
If this was in the style of Looney Tunes, there would be steam coming out of Aranado's ears with the sound of a steam locomotive whistle
I’m a saint Louis guy and love the cards with all my heart but I also work at a school in the special education department and this is a tantrum straight up. Screaming “No, no, no” is what children do and I would have a hard time laughing if I was the ump. But I love Arenado for that fire. Plus his wife was about to give birth so maybe he was just letting out some steam before going to the hospital. Anyway, great video again. Thank you!
There are no behaviors by the umpires that you would criticize, now that is laughable
What is to criticize here? Arenado blew up about a JUDGEMENT call. All Libka did was smile, because Arenado made it one of the easiest ejections of the season.
We got our money’s worth for the 25th time this year. The one thing you left out of this was how Nolan Arenado threw his helmet and he started acting a fool before he got ejected.
He threw his helmet after the ejection. It didn’t matter at that point.
@@OzTvFam Well, the fine could increase, and that risks escalation.
OP, it feels like it has to be more than that. Seems to happen every ejection I watch, hahaha
Paid millions of dollars and throws a tantrum--yeah that’s funny. Grab some pine meat
Nah but umpires are paid to be professional and unbiased and don't face consequences when they aren't. Players absolutely do face consequences, getting ejected and fined being the start of it. This is the second time this series an umpire has thrown out a Cardinal and laughed in his face about it afterwards. Say what you will about the call and the ejection, but how are you going to compare the emotions of a player and an umpire like that's at all valid. And as a kicker, pretty interesting you didn't talk about the fact that Oli didn't get thrown out. Definitely makes it seem like the umpire knew he wasn't 100% in the right.
The problem with the rule as it stands is that it's clear he "struck at" the 0-1 pitch. That the usage of the rule actually is different than the rule in the book. That's what I've been trying to tell people for some time now.
I used to really enjoy all your break downs of ejections, talking through the rules and what could possibly be going on in the thought process of the calls. Lately, that has really been missing in these break downs and it has REALLY gotten into opinion and conversation that is loosely relevant at best. I thought you were getting back to that at the beginning of this video with a good structural black and white break down and then you went on a rant about people getting mad at your for being happy when they aren’t happy. Completely irrelevant and took a comment from somewhere else are REALLY stretched it into something it wasn’t. Steer clear of the random soapboxes that dont apply and stick to break downs of rules and reasons for calls and it would make this a lot more effective and relevant to watch. You are really great at rules and calls explanation, thats what I enjoy watching.
Sounds like your channel must be doing better, hey?
Horrible call by the umpire and once again he won't be held accountable.
that's because the MLB rules don't define what an attempt at swinging at a baseball is so they leave it to the Umpires to make that discretion and I can personally see it both ways
@@MattZRJSRoxy They should always appeal it because at this point it's getting ridiculous for the home plate umpire to make the calls when they're wrong.
@@angelinolad3242 It is the plate umpire's call. He should never appeal when he sees a strike, which it was. The umpire was not wrong. Don't pretend you know anything about umpiring.
There are stories that players purposely got ejected to be with their families before child birth.
Well damn, I did not know that was the actual check swing rule. WTF have broadcasters been talking about all these years then?
Something they heard when playing little league essentially...
Go's along with "tie goes to the runner". Myth.
@@backwardsK45 No, that one is true. Rule 5.09(b)(6): "Any runner is out when He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base ..." It must be *before,* meaning simultaneous does not count as an out. Tie 100% goes to the runner.
@@closethockeyfan5284 Tie goes to the runner may be literally true from a rules perspective, but practically it is more used as a demand by people in low level baseball that no close play can be called out because "tie goes to the runner" ignoring the fact that a tie is pretty much impossible. It's a safe way to umpire if you aren't good at it, if it's very close just call the runner safe and people will usually accept it. But in reality either the runner beat the ball or not and if your judgment is that the runner is out by a microsecond, then it's an out.
@@linollieum3742 If you're looking for the title of chief pedant, I will gladly second the motion, just send me the PDF to sign.
Until they use a system that takes the subjectivity out of the call there will be issues.
He looked like the hulk lol
After all the years of baseball has a player ever seen an umpire change his mind? The answer is no. Why do they argue over these calls?
Because people screwing you over is infuriating and the over protected losers umpiring need to hear it
You’d have to have a hole in your head to think players argue to get umpires to change their minds
@@JayD73 Pretty sure most of us have at least 5 holes in our heads bro :)
@@菊池清太郎 That's the worst logic I've heard yet. If anything your going to push calls the other way. It's when both teams are getting it that the Ump knows he fucked up.
@@KWally No, I'd agree with that original reply. As an objective umpire trying to do my impartial best, I'm going to consider whether I missed that call. That in turn can allow doubt to creep in on future calls.
There is no logic in declaring mistakes occurred only and definitely if both teams complain. It's completely possible both teams are wrong OR that an umpire is wrong when only one party complains.
1:30... LOL!!
and it was outside & he held up
Putting the bat into the strike zone is an attempt. He didn't hold up. Strike was the correct call.
I'm a Cards fan, but the Ump throwing Arenado out was the right reaction. Libka's smiling because he's keeping his cool and not getting pissed off. Arenado can get mad all he wants, but he knows that you can't get in an ump's face arguing over ball/strike calls. Strike call was still wrong IMO.
Great breakdown
Might have been a nervous smile by the ump
That's a horsesh!t call, plain & simple. It may be his "primary" call, but it's too close to NOT get help. The bat was NOT completely over the plate. And then to smile in his face is pathetic. MLB umpires need to be fined & replaced when they screw up. I saw take the bottom 10% & put them in AAA ball & bring up the corresponding number of umpires from AAA. This was not funny in any sense of the word. The ump screwed the pooch!
umpire was legit cracking up and oh btw that was a swing
No way he went around.
Doesn't have to "go around". The says make an attempt.
Def a swing. You better get to the eye doctor
The voice-over person's bias is so obvious it makes their opinion and analysis useless
chipmunk boi on the RUclips dials
Defend it all you want...it's a terrible call and everyone knows it.
Only people like you, who know nothing about umpiring, think it was a terrible call. Everyone who knows baseball knows it was the correct call.
Ump needs to be suspended for 80 games... LOL
Spot on! Hilarious that the Cardinals announcers say that the umpire was being unprofessional when Arrenado is jumping up and down pouting like a two year old.
thats a strike at the ball, good call. surprised manager wasnt tossed, but cool guess he didnt deserve to be.
Arenado was pretty funny and unprofessional at the same time. He absolutely lost it. They are paying him millions to play the game, not to get ejected in the top of the third. My first impression was it sure looked like a swing from the center field camera. It looked more like he was trying to protect and foul it off, not stop his swing.
He lost it because it was such an amateur call.
It’s not Nolan’s strike zone
He called a swing in a situation you’re supposed to refer to third. The ump was wrong and deserved every bit of flack he gets.
@@Archerftw well if the home plate ump wanted help on the call then he would not have asked 3rd but 1st. Also it is home plates call and in his opinion the way the hitter moved and moved he bat at the ball that qualified as a swing and strike 3. He doesn't have to ask for help.
He played the game and the ump blew it. But keep licking those boots
They can laugh all they want ill just sit over here and laugh about their win loss record
It was one at bat....
72-53 and leading the NL Central by six. How about we circle back in October?
This crap where the umpire runs a player and then sits there and smiles at him - "I got the better of you, and there's nothing you can do about it, nahnah nuh nahnah." He knows he's wrong, but he won't back down, won't look for assistance from his crew mates, and is JUST WAITING for the player to say something that he can comfortably run him for.
This crap where a batter strikes out and argues is getting old. The umpire was not wrong. The umpire does not need to wait for him to say anything else besides arguing a correct call.
@@alanhess9306 Did you even look at the side-view replay of Arenado's check swing? The swing didn't "break" and it didn't come close to passing the front of the plate. It wasn't a swing to any reasonable viewer, except from the standpoint that the umpire basically has no objective standard to have to measure against, so they can decide completely on their own, batter to batter, what does or does not constitute a swing.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂ump knows he made a bad call that's why he's laughing...
It looked like more of a nervous, cringed smile to me. I certainly did not get the sense that he was laughing or enjoying himself. The Cardinals crew needs to chill out on this one.
His reaction was hilarious. Like a big baby stomping his feet. 😂
Okay boomer
@@mikeomoran9256 OK weak sauce. 😄
That’s what he does best. He’s a heck of a 3rd basemen but still a bigger douche
More like a frustrated man tired of umpires who are little birches
@@Archerftw ah yes, the grown man yelling in the face of another grown man isn't the little bitch in this scenario.
Sad to see Libka make a mistake like that. He should have appealed for a check on the swing to the first base umpire instead of calling it himself. He's usually one of the best umpires in the league.
Nah, he has full right to make that call for himself, and he was by no means wrong.
First off we need to notice he checked to first earlier in the AB but once he became the show he called third strike. Could care less if the Cubs thought it was funny. It won't be funny when they watch stl in the playoffs again without them. The ump himself is one of those likes all the attention on himself person. Oh yeah and it was a no swing. This video maker obviously doesn't know the rules or intensity in game to game play. They just think the reactions are funny so post a video. You don't understand the rules nor the game itself apparently. Every player and fanbase would of had the same reaction given the circumstances. They claim no bias. Yet this happens daily in MLB but choose this one to post on. And again never admitting by the rules of the game that was NOT a check swing strike.
mfer sounds like a gd chipmunk
Libka handled it well until the smirk. Looks like he's challenging CB Bucknor for "nicest smile".
Good call
I get that that's just how he swings, but Arenado keeps getting these borderline calls against him I think in part because he leaves the bat out there when he tries to check. It seems like it always makes it look worse in real time than it does in the replay, much more so than other types of check swing. Funny that he has now been ejected multiple times for this exact issue and keeps doing it that way.
It's literally just because his elbows Extend so far every swing and check swing.
Cards fan here.... 1. The ump should've checked with first base ump that's anything close to a check swing. I've seen more deliberate swings get called a NO swing. And it was a check swing. 2. Arenado shouldn't have argued the call. He's gotta be better. We already had Goldy out of the lineup in that game and it wouldve been nice to have our second best hitter in there to help take 5 of 5 and sweep the Baby Bears. 3. To the woman that makes these videos....The Ump was definitely unprofessional. There's a better way for him to be as well. #facts!!!
The No, No, No reaction from Arenado says it all. It's the judgement of the umpire to say if he went.
It's actually the first base umpire's final decision
@@lpCHEVlps311 no, it is the home plate umpire who has final decision unless, unless he ask for help. This was not a swing and he should have asked for help.
I love the indignation of the Cardinals broadcasters about Libka's smiling because they were pissed off about the call. I've smiled several times about the ridiculousness of an argument.
and Justin Buford is an ump in professional baseball so the comparison totally makes sense. Good point, Justin!!
love how players who act like this are surprised there thrown out, not sure what they expect, pretty much showing up the ump, sure its a bad call, two wrongs don't make it right though
Looks like a genuine attempt to hit it until final second, the first check swing earlier in at bat was different and I think influences the call based on that one
Honestly bad call and that’s not a home plate umpires job to see if his wrists broke but you’re not supposed to blow up and get ejected if your MVP is not in the game.
Playoff race
3rd inning
Batter blows his cool
Gets ejected.
Now the manager has one less starter to bat.
Exactly why ejections should be appealable until next game.
@@arleyhaskell7241 absolutely not.
@@amonrodriguez3518 agreed, Umpires have the authority to eject whomever they want if they argue calls especially balls and strikes, no one would ever side with an ejected player for arguing a call because they know it's not allowed but they still do it anyway, some Umpires have amazing patience though
@@MattZRJSRoxy I wouldn’t have ejected em. But he probably said a magic word because that was relatively quick. But if you’re going to say it, “say it with your chest” as Kevin hart would say… not when you leave facing away and looking at the ground.
@@tycorbson9651 Lou Gehrig was ejected 9 times for arguing balls and strikes, Yogi Berra 13 times and Mickey Mantle 8 times and none of them threw childish temper tantrums.
Welcome to the ump show!!! Absolute horrible call, then to smile, the ump should be suspended
It was the correct call. Don't pretend you know anything about umpiring.
Oh for pete's sake. That's a swing. He knows he tried to hold up and couldn't. Ridiculous. His reaction afterwards was equally ridiculous.
It appears that Arenadao said something to Libka that made him smile. I'm sure Libka wasn't laughing to simply taunt him. That's not his style.
Let me just pause and leave my bat extended over the plate.
In his postgame session with the media, Nolan Arrenado included the line, "Obviously I can't be getting thrown out" while reiterating his disagreement with the call. I agreed with him on all counts. It was a missed call, but as the CCS commentator points out, the OBR gives umpires a wide berth on interpreting what a swing is. The OBR also makes it clear that that arguing a check-swing call is the same as arguing balls and strikes.
More BS lady: he didn't break his wrists and the bat head DID NOT clear the plate - it stopped half way through. The batter was trying to hold the swing from almost 2/3 of the way down through - he wasn't offering at the pitch. The more BS you make up to try to make Umpires look good, the more people remember the wise-azz smirk the HP umpire puts on the batter here. Amateurs.....
Why is this lady always defending the umpires. They're allowed to make aggregious mistakes with no accountability? An MLB umpire has nothing to lose but their job by making a bad call. Yet a player loses their at bat and the opportunity to excel their career. Plus the quick hook without asking for help from the first base umpire? Why can catchers appeal a swing and a hitter can't?
@@brianbuchheit2854 1. an MLB umpire would never lose their job over one bad call, nor should they...even the best ump will miss a call every once in a while
2. one lost at bat out of 600 or so in a full season denies a player the chance to excel in their career? LMAO
3. it's spelled "egregious"
@@MisterHoodrich89 when it's the end of the season and a bad call impacts a team's ability to win games, win their division, it impacts their career. Again, why can catchers appeal and not hitters. You have no answer
@@MisterHoodrich89 No, "aggregious" is something aggressively egregious, not just generally so. As in "the clueless HP umpire's call was massively aggregious".
His wife was about to have a baby, he had to get to her.
You are trivializing this situation in just about every respect. John Libka is one of the best MLB umpires, sure, but he blew this call. Under your definition, there is no way there could EVER be a check swing on a low outside pitch. And anyway the home plate umpire is in no position to see whether the batter's swing was checked or not -- he's supposed to be watching where the BALL went. The check swing call should be referred to the first or third base umpire automatically without any need for an appeal. Finally, Libka's call intruded into the game and gave a huge push to the Cubs. Arenado did overreact -- as he admitted later --but with a call that bad that had so much impact on the game it's hard to blame him.
That was an attempt to hit that ball all day long. Good call by Libka, and great position.
He was already extended towards the ball way out of the zone. The pitch fooled him. He didn't react to it in time and it's a strike imo. 🤷♂
Should the rules also allow the batter to appeal a check-swing call? (When the PU calls a swing, of course.)
Libka should be disciplined for his conduct during the ejection. You don't eject someone, then smile/laugh in their face. Totally unprofessional.
I forgot smiling was something you can control. Nolan is reacting like a child . I’d laugh too
I really don’t think he was smiling to mock him or that he found anything funny. I’ve seen people nervous smile before it makes sense in this situation because of how hardcore Arenado was here
horrible ass call. was a ball wasnt even a close check swing
I like and hate Arenado he gotta control his anger though he gets pissed off too easily
BtW Congrats to Pat Hughes!!
now that's funny 😆 😆 😆
Find it hillarous they want someone to be profesional yet they aren't even close of doing that. there limited about of good annoucers out there
If a hitter gives the home plate umpire any possible chance to ring him up said umpire will as that is their favorite thing to do.
Arms extended. He swung
If you break the plane.. Simple. Ump is a joke also
No he's not
Holy s…😂😂😂
Not a swing
That reminds me of braves vs cardinals in 2012 where Eric hinske called out on strikes in a full count pitch and lead to a ejection
Bad call. Unprofessional smirk
Another terrible call. Idk how some of these guys restrain themselves
Thanks for explaining the elements of a check swing that MLB uses. I doubt any player let alone a mgr/coach knows what the elements are..
How could they? There could never be a check swing on a low outside pitch under this definition.
Read the rules
What many don't recognize is that the rules have interpretations. And umpires learn from instructors how to identify what actions constitute meeting the rule. Think of it the same way the US Supreme Court writes an opinion on its rulings. Both give guidance to enforce.
@@donh6416 oh goodness dude had to compare it to shady politics. I will say Umpires and nfl referees need to be held more accountable when they mess up. I just don’t see that as the case in this example
@@amonrodriguez3518 make em face press if they want the attention - just like players and managers. if you want to impact the game, be held to explain your reasoning and thought process. otherwise its just a bunch of dudes on youtubes assuming what the umpire was thinking for their own POV
Cards fan here.
Can’t do that, Nolan. Just can’t do it.
4:30 like a Nick Sandman kind of grin
The umpire talks back to the player: "that umpire is unprofessional!"
The umpire laughs:" that umpire is unprofessional"
So what, do you guys just want a punching bag taking all the abuse without emotion? GTFO... I hate it when broadcasters get upset at umpires for being human!
Yes, what the fuck lol. People expect minimum wage workers to have more respect for Walmart customers than some people expect from umpires lmfao. Part of their job is absolutely taking the high rode in a confrontation and when they don't they should be put on blast. Stand up for yourself sure, but mocking someone or egging them on as an umpire is beyond absurd.
Oh please... a grown man who gets paid way more than he should to play a game for a living throwing a tantrum... if I was the ump I'd openly laugh in his face. Go sit down Nolan, you're getting paid either way
It’s always been like that. Love how the ump just can’t help but smile. Nolan’s the biggest dbag in the game rn
@@amonrodriguez3518 have you heard of Tatis?
@@briank2502 he’s not in the game right now. And for good reason. But when he plays he’s a monster. I would take em over Nolan. But of course not right now definitely lol
He offered at the pitch simple as that know the rules
in that general sense basically walking up to the plate and physically standing in the batter's box - just standing - the ump could make the same call "hey i perceived in his intention of walking up here the batter made a legit attempt to strike at the ball by being in position. it's what i saw it's a judgement call sorry guys. my minions on youtubes will defend it go check it out like n subscribe yer outta here!!". F it - dude struck at the ball when he parked his car at 11am pregame before warmups.
For people getting mad at the ump for smiling, I’m genuinely curious why? Arenado is clearly in the wrong and overreacted to a correct call
Nolan Arenado: best third baseman and biggest crybaby of his generation
Hey Narrator, what planet were you born on? It isn’t ok for the umpire to smile in the batter face even if you feel you can justify it. There’s only one thing I can say, go get your Barbies and leave the commentary to a female who understands the game.
Your latent sexism and ignorance is showing. Lindsay has been around the game of baseball for well over a decade as an official. Are you this bigoted in real life?
Pretty Whiny Nolan
Clearly the Cards broadcasters don't know the rules. Libka smiling because Arenado made the ejection easy.
Good call, good ejection, good on libka to not instigate the situation further and not kicking out marmol. I think him smiling is far better than arguing back. I don’t know why STLs broadcast team took such offense to that, they would’ve been pissed if he gave it right back to arenado as well
All acts and animation for the fans......hey MLB front office...when you gonna get a grip on this bush league entertainment ? Game is a joke.