YT shorts is insane for right wing radicalization. I'd consider myself left-wing. I consume mostly lefty content, but whenever I go on YT shorts it takes about 5 swipes to get to Rogan, Peterson etc, It is wild how it goes from a weird Vtuber clip to a cool clip of a bear to Rogan and then off the even deeper end.
algorithms are made to get attention. there was a big thing with algorithms like specifically boosting things that use hateful words and phrases. and that is a big part of right wing content is just being hateful toward people
I found that it helps to click "do not recommend channel" on every single short including any right wingers or any type of Tate type content as well as anything hateful, I rarely ever get that type of content anymore because of it, it still pops up every once in a while but definitely stops getting shown to me as much as it would otherwise
@@arsena5209honestly I feel like this doesn't help at all. The YT shorts is so underdeveloped that it sees that you consume any political content, figures out you are between the ages of 13-35 then just jams JP and Joe Rogan down your throat
I feel you Jordan, I'm also an immigrant on a green card and I DREAD the airport immigration. They are intimidating as hell, and really make you feel like a criminal if you don't have the paperwork they want , the way they want it.
So sorry you have to deal with that. Border Patrol is the worst. As someone who works in immigration, but not CBP, I know how obnoxious they are, and I apologize. That's not how our government should be presenting itself to anyone, but specifically to people who very much have just as much right to be here as a US citizen does.
They thrive on being dicks for no reason, I swear. Just asking you random intimidating questions for no reason, yelling, and locking you in a little room for an hour without your phone literally just for fun.
i’m a US citizen and every time i come back into the country, customs literally treat me like a criminal who’s trying to sneak in💀 (i’m also muslim for context ig)
The whole ADHD segment genuinely nearly brought tears to my eyes. It's just very reassuring to hear well-put-together, successful people give examples of mundane struggles that I go through every single day with ADHD. Just know that there's a lot of people out there, including me, that really appreciate you doing this!
I haven't been diagnosed with ADHD specifically, instead I have low level autism, but I relate to everything that they're saying when they talk about this stuff; specifically how they struggle to do stuff unless they have someone just... there....
Same! I'm sitting here literally counting down the days until I have to renew my car insurance, and I know I could totally just do it right now and stop stressing, but I legitimately just cannot do it. Hearing Hasan talk about his parking tickets really just made me feel like I'm not an absolute failure of an adult. Like if someone that successful can't do this stuff either, then I'm gonna be okay.
Yesssss. It's so reassuring. Especially considering most of the time you try to talk about this kinda stuff (at least in my experience) people don't seem to really get it. It gets misconstrued as laziness or irresponsibility or being "overdramatic" or other things along those lines. The reaction is typically very "uhhhhh I don't really get what the issue is here, that sounds like an extremely simple thing to fix, Just Do The Thing and then it won't bother you anymore" and it's like I LITERALLY CANNOT, THAT'S THE ENTIRE ISSUE 😭😭
I’m glad to hear you guys talk about the way some terminally-online ppl get defensive about their adhd. I have a white friend who compared the importance of adhd representation to POC rep, and then she got mad at me for saying that she shouldn’t compare her adhd to being subject to racism your entire life. Oh yeah, and she sends me passive aggressive memes about how poc act like every problem in our lives is because of racism.
you can lust head canon that stuff and i think that's honestly a better approach be cuz adhd still varies. you will have people complain they make it look either too easy or too hard.
rly appreciated the adhd convo!! adhd rly does a good job of making me feel stupid for not being able to do things that feel like they should be rly simple so hearing that y’all get caught up in the same way was helpful :)
Dude I've been having this really bad lately myself. I keep having to reassure myself that I'm not a total idiot. It's just my focus. But does that just make me stupid then.... idk. Stay strong fam
I feel you both on this 😭 It gets hard to remember I’m not stupid when I keep failing things. But we’re not stupid! We’re just meant to do different things
As ADHDers we are very interest-based in learning and doing things... so struggling with mundane things that we're not interested in doesn't make us stupid, just different 😊.
I really was not expecting this podcast to pivot into one of the most relatable and self affirming convos about ADHD I’ve heard in a minute. I’m going to be easier on myself for being so insane about needing to host parties from now on
Hearing Jarvis describe rejection sensitive dysphoria was an eye-opening moment. That described my experience to a T. I always ascribed that feeling to social anxiety and being a people pleaser, but it has never fully encapsulated the intensity of negative self-talk and rejection I feel in those moments. Thank you for opening up and sharing your personal experience!
i think something about adhd is that for people with adhd and comorbid disorders (autism, depression, bpd etc) it makes it harder to find or commit to things that help them like structure and stuff. so when others with adhd say that their adhd is manageable with structure and regimes, they can become defensive because for them it’s often a lot harder to stick to those, or find the motivation to start them. it can be hard to acknowledge that for some people, adhd doesn’t impact their lives to the extent that it does for others. idk just felt like adding some nuance to the discussion lol
a huge part of that is, for a lot of people, the fact that people who aren't neurodivergent will use the success of people who are less severely impacted by their ADHD against those of us who do need extra help/accommodations. It's such a sore subject because we are constantly told throughout our lives that we "aren't good enough" and that our disabilities aren't a vaild excuse for our behavior. (speaking very generally, there are ofc certain things that can't be excused)
Thank you for this!! I was a little taken aback by some of the points from the conversation but I didn’t know how to word it without sounding defensive. I think it’s so important to acknowledge that everyone is different, and just because one person can manage their adhd in a specific way that doesn’t mean it works for everyone. Especially since burnout and overall life stressors play into adhd symptoms and just one’s general well-being. In general life is hard and we all just need to be a little bit more compassionate and understanding
@@bells9881 I've listened to Hasan talk about this issue a lot and where he's coming from is talking about those who get ultra defensive/aggro and start putting words in his mouth. It's not just adhd but any topic that Hasan talks about where he can be the most nuanced person talking about his own experiences but a few dozen people think he's directly addressing to them and get super offended. One example is when we were on the topic of public transport and how beneficial it is (existing cities outside of the US that aren't car reliant are living proof of this), and someone in the chat got so heated and @Hasan and said "well, I'm sorry I need a car to get around due to my disability!!" and we were all like... bruh, we're not saying you're not allowed to have a car. It's things like that that get really annoying where being defensive turns into being a hyper individualistic asshole/self report. The point is not everyone is the same and when someone speaking on an issue talks about something and has different experiences, they're referring to that. Anyway, I'm rambling at this point but hopefully you get what I'm getting at. 😅
@@shahs1221 thank you for the response!! I definitely understand that aspect and I didn’t mean to misinterpret what he was saying at all, or try to paint him as a bad guy that’s minimizing others! It’s more just the overall mentality of minimizing people that bothers me, but it wasn’t what they were actually saying and that’s why I wasn’t sure how to word my thought haha if that makes sense :) i have a degree in psychology & neuroscience and I do mental health research so I end up seeing a lot of really mean comments and I feel compelled to destigmatize, but again i didn’t think they were doing this
yess this i definitely think adhd can pack a bigger punch when it’s on top of other conditions, they make each other worse. i like to call depression, anxiety, and adhd ‘the unholy trinity’
Hearing these guys perfectly talk about my life and describe how I've struggled with "tasks" my whole life.. the procrastination, the body doubling, keeping house, and something I haven't heard mentioned yet, the GUILT or shame of being this way was such a huge hit to my brain, my heart.. fuck, even my soul.. I'm honestly overwhelmed and can't even begin to describe how I feel. Any time I've tried to explain the obstacles I feel in getting stuff done, I've always been met with either blank stares or disapproval. In all my years, this is the most validated I've ever felt. I hope it happens more, I feel kinda silly at how profound I'm making it out to be, but it's not something I've experienced much at all.
Just gonna mention too how f'ed up the blackface Community incident was, because as you pointed out the narrative is that even implied blackface is bad. Netflix removed that episode YET they didn't remove an episode of Mad Men where one of the main characters literally does the minstrel act in full blackface, and everyone is laughing and having a great time. No message other than celebration of 100% direct intentional blackface. That episode was never removed. It's all performative.
I mean same with Always Sunny, but as stupid as fans of any slightly edgy property are, there’s probably at least a percentage of people who think the gang is cool/admirable despite the whole point of the show being that they’re sociopathic losers whose downfall you’re supposed to laugh at
@@crustpunkjesuschrist this is a good point but in all cases I think there's a difference between being someone who's complexion (as a dark skinned Black person) is exactly what's being mocked versus being someone who generally finds the concept of blackface to be detestable because of it's history and use throughout the last century and a half. I understand all of the "critique of blackface by doing blackface" bits from 2000's and 2010's t.v. but it's still physically upsetting to see it on screen because I am affected by colorism and featurism more often and more intensely than Black folk who are lighter complected. Like it's cute unless you talk to the ppl most affected by it then it's just cringe and upsetting cause i can't laugh when i feel that kind of icky and queezy.
For those who resonated with the idea of working better when someone is on facetime with you, even just silently sitting there working on their own thing -- this is a fairly common coping mechanism for neurodivergent and adhd folks often called "body doubling." I've needed that kind of help my whole life (to write papers in college, to set up doc appts, to do chores). I can absolutely do the things myself, like in the case of the parking tickets Hasan mentioned, the issue is often just starting the tasks and not allowing myself to get distracted during. Research is still being done to figure out exactly why it's effective, but it certainly works for me! There are even forums online devoted to giving people that "coffee shop feel" or even pairing up people one-on-one to co-work if you don't have family members or friends who are able to be there with you when you need the body doubling support. Def suggest trying it out if you find yourself struggling with executive functioning!
Even people who don’t can benefit from others just being around. Just yesterday my mom was talking about how she needs to clean the house but it’s such a pain unless there’s someone else there to help her… and by help, she literally just means someone else being there so that she’s not doing it by herself.
@@messymarilol I was literally about to make a comment and then Jarvis brought it up😂😂 but body doubling is the best. I used to FaceTime my best friend every night bc for some reason I could actually start my homework when I had someone sitting on the phone even if they’re completely ignoring me. Looking back it’s wild we just started doing that without either of us knowing that was like a real strategy. Now both of us have an adhd diagnosis and it all makes sense lmao
@@thewooddove2 yeah, I just watched, thanks for the shout. I feel really crummy for making him feel bad. Wasn't trying to be a know-it-all, just wanted to share my experience and maybe spread some extra info on the topic. I was actually really happy he brought it up and wasn't judging at all for needing to search his brain for the word. I lose words all the time. I said it on the other vid but I'll say it here too -- sorry, Jarvis! Appreciate your work! 🤟🏻
I loved them talking about how a ~1-10 minute task can weigh on you for weeks/months/years and you feel like you 100% SHOULD be able to do it cuz it's not hard or time-consuming or unpleasant or anything, yet for some reason you just CANT. absolutely by far the most frustrating thing about ADHD for me. I'll get stuck on certain things for MONTHS (or even years in extreme cases) and when I finally do it, it only takes like 2min to do, and then it's like "why tf did I have to spend months/years dreading and avoiding and stressing tf out about this thing that coulda been done in TWO MINUTES??". Yet even being aware of that, somehow I'm not able to overcome it in the moment, it feels like I PHYSICALLY just cannot. There always eventually comes a moment where all of a sudden I'm able to do it, in a way I simply wasn't able to the entire time leading up to that moment.
EXACTLY currently it’s just cleaning my room. All I have to do is pick up some dirty clothes and put them in the wash and empty the trash can. THATS IT. And I’ve been putting it off for months despite constantly being like okay you have to do it now and then I just don’t for no fucking reason
That section hit me so hard because I identify with it to a T and it's something I constantly struggle with. I'm not diagnosed with ADHD, but I've been wondering about it lately and I had no idea this was a symptom. Out of curiosity do you have any ways to cope with this problem or no
one of the absolute worst things with adhd for me (amongst like 3456 others) is how poor my memory is. I will watch a movie, love it and a month later I will not be able to tell you how it ended. I will read books and just not remember a thing from them, not remember entire conversations 2 days after having them, someone will ask me to do something, I will agree with a genuine intention to do it, leave the room and the request will just evaporate from my brain entirely. There are topics that I have studied over and over and over again and still have to look them up because I don't remember what the case was, it's fucking exhausting and it makes me feel so stupid like I will never amount to anything if I can't memorise simple shit. This comment section has become my therapy session. Sorry for venting, thanks for the video it was super cool and funny, love your content, you are really doing a great job
This is so fucking real like I was part of the gifted and talented scheme growing up and now that I can’t recall like Any of my knowledge on anything I always feel so stupid and inept
I study art so I have trouble remembering artists or art piece's names, and I feel soooo stupid and uneducated in front of teachers when we have to talk about our inspirations and such... Even tho I remember the art and how it impacts me and my own art is not enough to them because they already think "students these days don't read", is so annoying. I also can't remember other students I am frendly with names and I genuinely like them so I feel so bad because they must think "Wow she doesn't even know my name and we did that class together and she pretends to be friendly" :(
honestly the adhd discussions you guys have on this podcast have been so helpful in changing how i view my own adhd. the episode where jarvis talked about the warped idea that executive dysfunction means only doing things you like and how thats just false when you break it down made me treat myself with so much more kindness. it's rare to see discussions about adhd from any perspectives that arent children or parents of adhd children or neurotypicals who have never dealt with the lived experience of adhd, and its been truly healing to hear you guys talk about it
When I was a kid I legitimately thought that women just... got pregnant after they got married. Like it just happened randomly. (I had a pretty sheltered childhood)
I thought it was the wedding cake that made you pregnant. I thought the couple were the only people who ate the cake, and the bride would get super full. Then her food baby would turn into a real baby.
Jarvis, I just got a procedure done to correct a deviated septum to improve breathing and sleep, and it was super easy. Obviously talk to an ENT and/or do a sleep study to find out if it's what yo need, but don't be afraid of the process. It's not super invasive, took under an hour and you're under anesthesia for it. Recovery is pretty smooth, low pain, just can't use your nose for about a week until the stents come out. Highly recommend if your doctor does as well, I can easily breathe 2x better than before.
Ngl, one of my favorite things about having a PTSD service dog is being able to dip whenever I need to from a social situation, regardless if she actually needs to be tended to. Everyone is completely understanding when I saw, "She needs to go out/find water/get walked." Goes over better than saying, "I'm trying to midigate a panic attack and any firther attention is going to make it 10x worse."
When you guys were talking about the inability to start on the smallest tasks I realized this is exactly what I started suffering from this summer-executive dysfunction. I don't have ADHD but I do fall under the general "neurodivergent" umbrella and I agree that you really do have to do what works for you. I still don't have any coping mechanisms for it, but putting a name to my struggle makes it a bit easier. If anyone else figures out what to do with this though... let me know
When this started for me about a year ago I would set timers for myself. Really short ones too like here’s 5 minutes and I’ll do whatever chore I want and then just seeing how much work could be done in 5 minutes alone helped out a lot. I always see any chores or deadlines as looming over me so it’s good to ground yourself and remember it’s not gonna be forever. Now I try to do 15 minutes and by the time the alarm goes off I’m just on a roll and don’t stop. Still difficult, but it’s a little easier. And always reward yourself!!!!!
@@valkyrie4350 Thank you so much for your advice!! I will be sure to try it. I find timers really abrasive so I *will* have to climb yet another obstacle to make this work 😭 The neurodivergent spiral... but the effort is worth it!
@@winkcloudIf you have an iphone, you can make it so your music stops when the timer ends! So you can play lofi music or something else you like, and when the timer is done there’s no abrasive noise :)
I came back to this episode to listen to y'all chat about your ADHD experiences. Since getting on meds to treat my ADHD, I've doubted my diagnosis because I've managed to keep things together. But like Hasan, I need a routine to maintain my day to day. Prior to medication, I heavily relied on momentum to get me through the day. I'm so burnt out because of it. Needless to say, your openness has been helpful to me in this moment
Some of the reasons I admire Hasan as content creator are his organization, forethought, planning, and abilty to maintain a schedule long term. These are things I struggle with daily as someone with ADHD and a slew of other things. I didnt know Hasan deals with it too. Its hella encouraging to see his success.
Holy shit the ADHD section of this episode was extremely helpful for me as someone who has not really found any ways to deal with it. This was super helpful to listen to and made me really hopeful for improving my existence with ADHD. Genuine question, not even sure if this is related but anyone else in this situation struggle to sleep at a proper time? My brain is always in a different state of energy. I heavily gravitate towards nighttime, I always call myself a vampire because I actually have a problem not staying up all night because my brain is cranking hard (brrrr). But every time I fix my schedule, I almost immediately flop it on its head and stay up even sometimes if im exhausted my brain isnt.
that things Jarvis was talking about in the ADHD section with needing to have someone around to "quote his hand" is actually something called body-doubling. its basically just having another person around to keep you responsible for doing your task. Its one of my #1 ways i am able to do work
You have no idea how much I needed someone to talk about everything in the ADHD segment. Holy shit. This is like my second episode listening/watching and I am glad to have done so now.
I'm glad you guys talked about things in your lives that you procrastinate with until the lasrlt second because I'm the same way and it's nice to know I'm not alone in torturing myself in this way lol
it's way more common than you think. we've been socially conditioned into believing that procrastination is a sign of laziness so everyone hides the fact that they do it because they feel ashamed.
i don't have adhd, but i totally relate to the convo about procrastinating things, and accumulating a huge mental load. i will literally refer to it as "pending tasks," and no matter how big or small the task is, it's still taking up space in my brain, and it's still hanging over my head until i get it over with. sometimes when i start feeling like really upset and stressed, i realize i actually just have a ton of pending tasks that i've been putting off, and i'll do something stupid like wash my dishes or paint my nails and BOOM, so much better
Body doubling helps me so much too as an ADHDer. I try and do it with someone I know if possible (either in person or over a video call), but I recently tried using Focusmate. Was nervous about using it, but it did really help!
I really enjoy hearing about the process behind being a content creator like this. Not in a para-social way, but in a way that makes me feel more comfortable about the pace I take in my personal creative projects.
I used to work at a dog daycare where two of the staff's dog chewed through a fence that was between their kennels and had a puppy. Edit: of course, they had to change the type of fencing and put put up a wall
As someone who was also diagnosed with adhd and have been putting off trying to get new health insurance for 3 months now I felt that last convo deep in my soul
jarvis you GOTTA get jerma on here you GOTTA get mr.985 himself out there I'm BEGGING you jarvis (I have 100% faith that jordan will agree and will not be begging him)
I think a lot of the pushback from people with ADHD is that we always experience "just try harder" feedback, so understanding that your brain does work a bit diferently keeps you from feeling like you're just objectively bad at life. I do agree that pills don't make skills, but they definitely help.
It’s always comforting to hear ppl I look up to/ see as successful talk about things like ADHD. Reminds me that these symptoms are real and not just due to me being dumb or lazy or something like that.
Hearing Jarvis describe rereading the same lines over and over hit hard haha. My parents got me tested because of my general lack of interest in school but i vividly remember doing that all the time
Jarvis, at 1:08:00 you're describing something called body doubling. Its a term used by neurodivergent people to describe doing separate activities parallel to someone, tends to help many people with ADHD : )
1:14:35 This is the first time I’ve ever heard the term body doubling and it makes so much sense. So many things clicked when you spoke about it. Thank you!
The downside about having a big dog who hides poops is that when it's found it could literally be anybody's. "Murat, I think Kaya found a new spot" Murat like "That's what you fucking get for all the neurodivergent anti-engineer jokes"
The adhd conversation should honestly show that it can be very debilitating in many aspects. I can understand for Hasan why he feels it’s nothing crazy bc he has a very tight regimen that he follows to a tea but just a little break in the regimen can lead to chaos in your day. And the socialization aspect, putting off things that don’t give you dopamine, time blindness, etc, then you add co-morbidities onto those, adhd can be so debilitating.
Yeah that was kind of funny to me when he was like ‘it’s so easy to manage!!! All you have to do is have an extremely strict regimented schedule that you never stray from and have everything planned extremely in advance with no off days :) hope this helps!!’ And it’s like bestie if you have to go to such extremes that ppl don’t understand how you can live like that then maybe adhd is actually difficult LOL
Watching Hasan has definitely helped me realize the things that help me with my adhd. I have the same style of regimented life for my adhd because I tried what he described and it really works for me. People think I’m super good at time management, but if I don’t do it, I fall apart.
my problem is how do you start doing it, I cannot for the life of me start waking up at the same hours, I know it helps me to have a regimen but I just cannot keep it up, I have a 1000 alarms I put the alarm in weird places I have planners apps calendars lists notebooks I feel like I literally tried everything at this point and my adhd is not budging. I live with my grandparents and my grandma literally wakes me up every day, I still fail to get out of bed before noon on some days. I'm slowly taking control over my executive functioning but damn I am so so far away from having a consistent routine, I just can't imagine how you just flip. At the same time I know symptoms vary in severity. I just feel hopeless I dream of having a consistent regimen and it seems impossible rn or any time soon
@@andziamikolaj9799 keep trying. Nothing will just flip into suddenly working the way you wish things were… slow but consistent and constant progress towards your goals is more important than being able to do something big immediately because it’s more likely that habits you form over long periods of time will become much more likely to be successful and will stay ingrained in your everyday life as well. Good luck
@@andziamikolaj9799hey! So I can’t wake up at the same time either but I gave up on doing that! What I do is start my day the same way no matter when I wake up. So do a repetitive activity to get me in the mode of “my day has now started” maybe that’ll help!
My dad has been complaining about how dirty the floors are in his home for like 20 years and claims THAT'S why he wears shoes inside and REFUSES to believe that it's his dirty ass shoes making it dirty.
If I wear shoes in the house it's a pair of sandals, I have plantar fasciitis real bad and I need something with arch support if I'm gonna be standing for a while, like cooking dinner
Live in a South East Asian household. The idea of having to wear shoes in your very own home is WILD to us. Unless your floors are not well cleaned (as it should be), why are you wearing anything other than house slippers if you want to have something on your feet. I remember seeing that nonsense when I watched a movie and there was a typical, white American family and the daughter was wearing SNEAKERS while chilling on her bed. Like... WHY??
Resumes are one of the most daunting tasks for me as well - it’s likely I’ll stay at the same company for my entire career just so I don’t have to update my resume 😅
I had a similar One Piece logo parsing issue as a kid. I was reading it as "NEP ECE" or "NEP EGG" or something, and confused the hell out of a friend when we were discussing the US magazine's debut issue.
This episode was so incredible. I’ve been looking forward to this happening for so long as I’ve been a fan for everyone here for years, so seeing them together in the same space was so wholesome and honestly therapeutic. In particular, the portion talking about ADHD was very illuminating because while I was diagnosed with it in like.. 2006? Maybe? I’ve always been told to essentially just power through it and if I can’t do that with adderall alone and no psychological help, then I’m a worthless, person shaped, pile of garbage, so there’s a lot about it that I am unaware of… There’s a lot of things that you guys are saying that makes so much sense to me! I just kind of thought the everybody lived like this, though. I had no idea.. thank you. I am so happy. Thank you, all. Ps Jordan’s humor has always been so perfect but my god he’s just killing it on these
Procrastination has caused me actual problems in my life. I'd say it feels good to not be alone. but I know the self hate that comes with this particular affliction. Why do we torture ourselves so much?
jarvis, my brother had the throat surgery from having sleep apnea. he had his uvula removed but he was put under and didn’t feel a thing. recovery was also easy for him and it’s helped him a lot! he still snores but it no longer disrupts his sleep :)
One of the big reasons I watch this is when you guys talk about ADHD. I went undiagnosed for over 30 years, and it's the meds AND the cognitive "therapy", changes one makes to cope. Meds don't fix everything, they just allow someone to sort out how to deal with the issues. Many of the "issues" (hyper-focusing especially) are still there, but now I can at least recognize it and break it when needed....or use it to my advantage. Being diagnosed and letting my workplace know has been good, my coworkers also understand and will watch out if I'm loosing focus, let me WFH to concentrate on difficult tasks, and know they can give me projects that are pretty complex and "let me do my thing" and I almost always get them done. I'm also in IT, specifically cyber-security (now, that I'm medicated and able to keep my stuff in-line) so Jarvis's life experiences, stories, and such have really helped me find new ways in this "adhd adventure".
Omg Rejection sensitivity sucks!!! I grew up thinking that everyone hated me too, So I shut down when people would make fun of me because I'd be overthinking if I was hated. (mainly I was trying to not run away crying)
I feel so vindicated as a newly diagnosed person with adhd. I’m 27 and I know so little about it. Thanks guys. You all having friendship on main makes me feel so paradoxical lol. We love you too!!! Parasocially.
You sweet ADHD Boyz just made me understand how I've found myself in my current slump and have given me the strength to deal with Plate Stack. Thank Youuuu.
When you block someone, an alarm will go off in an undisclosed location and a small group of elite army bros will hunt down the person you blocked. Definitely never going to hear from them again. The ultimate block.
Watching this helped me realize something I have dealt with in the past is actually related to my ADHD. I had never heard of Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria, but it really brought past experiences and emotions into the light as to why I sometimes felt extreme emotion and rejection around things I logically knew were unjustified but my emotions felt like the nob was broken
Listening to Jordan's experience with the US customs in Toronto, I had the exact same problem at the exact same airport going in the other direction. As a US citizen living in Canada, the border patrol did the same song and dance, then eventually just waved me through when he was bored with bullying me.
@18:06 i watched Hasan react to Eddy Burback's Margaritaville video, then watched Eddy's then watched Ted Hasan assuming Jimmy Buffet might have dabbled in cocaine trafficking cause he had a speedboat then Eddy flashing that article in his video made me laugh so hard
Oh my GOD. I absolutely get that rejection thing, it's so fucking weird. My brain absolutely just shuts off and makes me just never want to talk again and just leave whatever situation i'm in instantly. I hate it and it's almost impossible to force myself to get out of that mood
I have found motivations for environmental selfcare to be much easier to avquire when living with other people. I think it because of the sense of community, regardless of relationship dynamic, be it room mates or spouses. Its easier to want to to things to accommodate a community that purely for yourself when you experience mental illness.
Fully relate to that whole ADHD section. Especially as someone who only found that out as an adult a few years ago and in recent weeks just realizing the extent of my neurodivergency. Got me looking at my entire lore differently and shit
Jordan -as someone who has to deal with Border Patrol far too much for my job... I apologize for any bullshit they've put you through. I can promise you that USCIS hates them too. Hope your visa stuff works out smoothly!!
the ADHD conversation is really interesting! I somewhat agree Hasan's point about it being "easier" (i don't want to play disability olympics). I think the disconnect is looking at the disability hierarchy, in how society frames things. I think there's a lot of built in things for ADHD (there's def needed improvement, but still lol)
on the subject of only being productive with someone - i looove the parallel work/play. for 3 days in a row my friend and i hopped on a discord call while we worked on the costumes we'd put off this entire summer and at long last??? we got them fully done with time to spare before the convention. gotta have that support work-a-long
I just want to put this out there for Jarvis, I also suffered from sleep apnea from deviated septum. I got a septoplasty last year and not only has my day-to-day life improved because I am now fully able to breathe out of my nose, my sleep also has benefited dramatically. So I highly highly recommend looking into septoplasty. Jaw surgery definitely sounds a bit more intrusive. The septoplasty took about a week to heal, you'll have these weird plastic slugs in your nose to where you can't really taste or smell anything for about a week. Afterwards though, it's night and day.
sensitive adhd haver here: it sucks to have to work a regular job and have adhd. I think most people with adhd wish they could have a creative job that caters DIRECTLY to adhd. You said it yourself Hasan: your life would fall apart if you didn’t have your structure. So think about most people with it that are forced to fit into a system that is completely incompatible with your brain.
Also I know he knows this stuff, but it always seems like he thinks his adhd is representative of why people complain too much about it. But he’s the exception
Yeah, I'm a hasanabi head, and maybe I'm missing something here, but his concept on people being over sensitive about the debilitation factor really made me wonder why people were calling this segment "super-validating". They all go on to discuss that feeling, but comments like that remind me of the difficulties of- what do ya know- dismissal, minimization and *~rejection~* that comes with opening about it in general. When he said he didn't know what RSD was I was like "there you go".
guys they used a filter to make my head look tiny, i swear it doesn't look like that in real life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sure, buddy
hi chat
i luv u
Nice try, Hassy.
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YT shorts is insane for right wing radicalization. I'd consider myself left-wing. I consume mostly lefty content, but whenever I go on YT shorts it takes about 5 swipes to get to Rogan, Peterson etc, It is wild how it goes from a weird Vtuber clip to a cool clip of a bear to Rogan and then off the even deeper end.
algorithms are made to get attention. there was a big thing with algorithms like specifically boosting things that use hateful words and phrases. and that is a big part of right wing content is just being hateful toward people
algorithms love radicalization
I found that it helps to click "do not recommend channel" on every single short including any right wingers or any type of Tate type content as well as anything hateful, I rarely ever get that type of content anymore because of it, it still pops up every once in a while but definitely stops getting shown to me as much as it would otherwise
@@arsena5209honestly I feel like this doesn't help at all. The YT shorts is so underdeveloped that it sees that you consume any political content, figures out you are between the ages of 13-35 then just jams JP and Joe Rogan down your throat
Agreed!! And I quickly swipe, thumbs down and don’t recommend but it persists??
the sheer handsomeness coming off this video is simply too much to handle
in love w all of them tbh
@@roj6895same it’s a problem
dream blunt rotation
finally someone who gets it
@@siobhan-raeur so real for this
I feel you Jordan, I'm also an immigrant on a green card and I DREAD the airport immigration. They are intimidating as hell, and really make you feel like a criminal if you don't have the paperwork they want , the way they want it.
So sorry you have to deal with that. Border Patrol is the worst. As someone who works in immigration, but not CBP, I know how obnoxious they are, and I apologize. That's not how our government should be presenting itself to anyone, but specifically to people who very much have just as much right to be here as a US citizen does.
They are rude too, when I visited the USA for the first time, I felt that Americans in general are super friendly EXCEPT airport immigration lol
They thrive on being dicks for no reason, I swear. Just asking you random intimidating questions for no reason, yelling, and locking you in a little room for an hour without your phone literally just for fun.
i’m a US citizen and every time i come back into the country, customs literally treat me like a criminal who’s trying to sneak in💀 (i’m also muslim for context ig)
Hasan literally just monetized his hyperfixation by making an audience listen to him talk about random stuff for 8 hours per day lmfao
Congratulations! Who wouldn’t love monetizing yourself simply talking about stuff that interests you? Sounds nice.
I think that's just every streamer ever.
That's just the entire commentary genre. Which is also why they so frequently have ADHD.
That's crazyyyyyy. No wayyyy. Totally not what entire media industry is all about. My mind has been blown. Third eye popping out of my ass.
@@ratiwatwatthanaphuti5158 bro lmmaooo. I'm gonna use that from now on
Excited for this one, but let me just say, poor Hasan, the tiny head allegations certainly aren't going away
Those aren't allegations, they're observations haha
you know i started to believe Hasan that his head is normal sized but.. I think i'm back on the doubter train
“Hasan piece of Chet Piker “ …. “Cenks Zesty Restarted Nephew “
@@2m7b5they're allegations, there are multiple testimonies of CGI intervention and camera tricks 🧐
😊😊😊@@2m7b5
The whole ADHD segment genuinely nearly brought tears to my eyes. It's just very reassuring to hear well-put-together, successful people give examples of mundane struggles that I go through every single day with ADHD. Just know that there's a lot of people out there, including me, that really appreciate you doing this!
I haven't been diagnosed with ADHD specifically, instead I have low level autism, but I relate to everything that they're saying when they talk about this stuff; specifically how they struggle to do stuff unless they have someone just... there....
Same! I'm sitting here literally counting down the days until I have to renew my car insurance, and I know I could totally just do it right now and stop stressing, but I legitimately just cannot do it. Hearing Hasan talk about his parking tickets really just made me feel like I'm not an absolute failure of an adult. Like if someone that successful can't do this stuff either, then I'm gonna be okay.
considering every comment on this video is about something completely different I think it's safe to say the entire conversation is an ADHD segment
@@sebastiankalstrom237there’s a chance you can have both and the autism makes the adhd different and the adhd makes the autism difficult
Yesssss. It's so reassuring. Especially considering most of the time you try to talk about this kinda stuff (at least in my experience) people don't seem to really get it. It gets misconstrued as laziness or irresponsibility or being "overdramatic" or other things along those lines. The reaction is typically very "uhhhhh I don't really get what the issue is here, that sounds like an extremely simple thing to fix, Just Do The Thing and then it won't bother you anymore" and it's like I LITERALLY CANNOT, THAT'S THE ENTIRE ISSUE 😭😭
Didn’t know I needed Jarvis introducing Hasan onto the Pod as “the big boy” until now
I’m glad to hear you guys talk about the way some terminally-online ppl get defensive about their adhd. I have a white friend who compared the importance of adhd representation to POC rep, and then she got mad at me for saying that she shouldn’t compare her adhd to being subject to racism your entire life.
Oh yeah, and she sends me passive aggressive memes about how poc act like every problem in our lives is because of racism.
ewwww i am so sorry
omg shes droppimg hints. shes gonna come out as racist soon
you can lust head canon that stuff and i think that's honestly a better approach be cuz adhd still varies. you will have people complain they make it look either too easy or too hard.
Ew I hope you keep her at arms length at least
that's not a friend lol
rly appreciated the adhd convo!! adhd rly does a good job of making me feel stupid for not being able to do things that feel like they should be rly simple so hearing that y’all get caught up in the same way was helpful :)
Dude I've been having this really bad lately myself. I keep having to reassure myself that I'm not a total idiot. It's just my focus. But does that just make me stupid then.... idk. Stay strong fam
I feel you both on this 😭 It gets hard to remember I’m not stupid when I keep failing things. But we’re not stupid! We’re just meant to do different things
As ADHDers we are very interest-based in learning and doing things... so struggling with mundane things that we're not interested in doesn't make us stupid, just different 😊.
I really was not expecting this podcast to pivot into one of the most relatable and self affirming convos about ADHD I’ve heard in a minute. I’m going to be easier on myself for being so insane about needing to host parties from now on
yes! this bit when jarvis talks about looking for a mission in social situations and how being a host is ideal, I FELT it.
YES
Hearing Jarvis describe rejection sensitive dysphoria was an eye-opening moment. That described my experience to a T. I always ascribed that feeling to social anxiety and being a people pleaser, but it has never fully encapsulated the intensity of negative self-talk and rejection I feel in those moments. Thank you for opening up and sharing your personal experience!
Rsd has been my biggest struggle with ADHD and I love hearing regular guys talk about it, it feels like such an isolating experience sometimes
Never knew how much I wanted Hasan, Jarvis, and Jordan on here together. This is gonna be good!
Hasan had them on Fear& if you haven’t checked it out yet.
@@maksschmidt I’ll definitely have to check that out too! Thanks for the suggestion!
@@maksschmidtFear& doesn't have the same energy as Sad Boyz tbh, this episode is way better than the J&J episode of Fear&
@@lookatdemijipers not comparing the 2, was just letting them know that there is addition content with them.
never knew how much I wanted them, period
My man; this angle gives the tiny head allegations massive props!! Holy shit!!!
His shoulders are too big 😭😭
@@Slashx92 Yeah, it’s that his torso is too wide. If you put his head on a normal frame, I don’t think it’d look that small.
i think something about adhd is that for people with adhd and comorbid disorders (autism, depression, bpd etc) it makes it harder to find or commit to things that help them like structure and stuff. so when others with adhd say that their adhd is manageable with structure and regimes, they can become defensive because for them it’s often a lot harder to stick to those, or find the motivation to start them. it can be hard to acknowledge that for some people, adhd doesn’t impact their lives to the extent that it does for others.
idk just felt like adding some nuance to the discussion lol
a huge part of that is, for a lot of people, the fact that people who aren't neurodivergent will use the success of people who are less severely impacted by their ADHD against those of us who do need extra help/accommodations. It's such a sore subject because we are constantly told throughout our lives that we "aren't good enough" and that our disabilities aren't a vaild excuse for our behavior. (speaking very generally, there are ofc certain things that can't be excused)
Thank you for this!! I was a little taken aback by some of the points from the conversation but I didn’t know how to word it without sounding defensive. I think it’s so important to acknowledge that everyone is different, and just because one person can manage their adhd in a specific way that doesn’t mean it works for everyone. Especially since burnout and overall life stressors play into adhd symptoms and just one’s general well-being. In general life is hard and we all just need to be a little bit more compassionate and understanding
@@bells9881 I've listened to Hasan talk about this issue a lot and where he's coming from is talking about those who get ultra defensive/aggro and start putting words in his mouth. It's not just adhd but any topic that Hasan talks about where he can be the most nuanced person talking about his own experiences but a few dozen people think he's directly addressing to them and get super offended. One example is when we were on the topic of public transport and how beneficial it is (existing cities outside of the US that aren't car reliant are living proof of this), and someone in the chat got so heated and @Hasan and said "well, I'm sorry I need a car to get around due to my disability!!" and we were all like... bruh, we're not saying you're not allowed to have a car. It's things like that that get really annoying where being defensive turns into being a hyper individualistic asshole/self report. The point is not everyone is the same and when someone speaking on an issue talks about something and has different experiences, they're referring to that. Anyway, I'm rambling at this point but hopefully you get what I'm getting at. 😅
@@shahs1221 thank you for the response!! I definitely understand that aspect and I didn’t mean to misinterpret what he was saying at all, or try to paint him as a bad guy that’s minimizing others! It’s more just the overall mentality of minimizing people that bothers me, but it wasn’t what they were actually saying and that’s why I wasn’t sure how to word my thought haha if that makes sense :) i have a degree in psychology & neuroscience and I do mental health research so I end up seeing a lot of really mean comments and I feel compelled to destigmatize, but again i didn’t think they were doing this
yess this i definitely think adhd can pack a bigger punch when it’s on top of other conditions, they make each other worse. i like to call depression, anxiety, and adhd ‘the unholy trinity’
Hearing these guys perfectly talk about my life and describe how I've struggled with "tasks" my whole life.. the procrastination, the body doubling, keeping house, and something I haven't heard mentioned yet, the GUILT or shame of being this way was such a huge hit to my brain, my heart.. fuck, even my soul.. I'm honestly overwhelmed and can't even begin to describe how I feel. Any time I've tried to explain the obstacles I feel in getting stuff done, I've always been met with either blank stares or disapproval. In all my years, this is the most validated I've ever felt. I hope it happens more, I feel kinda silly at how profound I'm making it out to be, but it's not something I've experienced much at all.
Get you some adhd friends and you'll get tired of it lol
Just gonna mention too how f'ed up the blackface Community incident was, because as you pointed out the narrative is that even implied blackface is bad. Netflix removed that episode YET they didn't remove an episode of Mad Men where one of the main characters literally does the minstrel act in full blackface, and everyone is laughing and having a great time. No message other than celebration of 100% direct intentional blackface. That episode was never removed. It's all performative.
I mean same with Always Sunny, but as stupid as fans of any slightly edgy property are, there’s probably at least a percentage of people who think the gang is cool/admirable despite the whole point of the show being that they’re sociopathic losers whose downfall you’re supposed to laugh at
@@crustpunkjesuschrist this is a good point but in all cases I think there's a difference between being someone who's complexion (as a dark skinned Black person) is exactly what's being mocked versus being someone who generally finds the concept of blackface to be detestable because of it's history and use throughout the last century and a half. I understand all of the "critique of blackface by doing blackface" bits from 2000's and 2010's t.v. but it's still physically upsetting to see it on screen because I am affected by colorism and featurism more often and more intensely than Black folk who are lighter complected. Like it's cute unless you talk to the ppl most affected by it then it's just cringe and upsetting cause i can't laugh when i feel that kind of icky and queezy.
@@malashebad6181Nah ur 100% right but I think the reactions towards Jarvis were lame asf
For those who resonated with the idea of working better when someone is on facetime with you, even just silently sitting there working on their own thing -- this is a fairly common coping mechanism for neurodivergent and adhd folks often called "body doubling." I've needed that kind of help my whole life (to write papers in college, to set up doc appts, to do chores). I can absolutely do the things myself, like in the case of the parking tickets Hasan mentioned, the issue is often just starting the tasks and not allowing myself to get distracted during. Research is still being done to figure out exactly why it's effective, but it certainly works for me! There are even forums online devoted to giving people that "coffee shop feel" or even pairing up people one-on-one to co-work if you don't have family members or friends who are able to be there with you when you need the body doubling support. Def suggest trying it out if you find yourself struggling with executive functioning!
Aaaaand, Jarvis just covered what it's called. Anyway, still suggest looking up the forums if you're interested!
Even people who don’t can benefit from others just being around. Just yesterday my mom was talking about how she needs to clean the house but it’s such a pain unless there’s someone else there to help her… and by help, she literally just means someone else being there so that she’s not doing it by herself.
@@messymarilol I was literally about to make a comment and then Jarvis brought it up😂😂 but body doubling is the best. I used to FaceTime my best friend every night bc for some reason I could actually start my homework when I had someone sitting on the phone even if they’re completely ignoring me. Looking back it’s wild we just started doing that without either of us knowing that was like a real strategy. Now both of us have an adhd diagnosis and it all makes sense lmao
@@messymari jarvis seemed pretty mad about your comment on the latest episode
@@thewooddove2 yeah, I just watched, thanks for the shout. I feel really crummy for making him feel bad. Wasn't trying to be a know-it-all, just wanted to share my experience and maybe spread some extra info on the topic. I was actually really happy he brought it up and wasn't judging at all for needing to search his brain for the word. I lose words all the time. I said it on the other vid but I'll say it here too -- sorry, Jarvis! Appreciate your work! 🤟🏻
I loved them talking about how a ~1-10 minute task can weigh on you for weeks/months/years and you feel like you 100% SHOULD be able to do it cuz it's not hard or time-consuming or unpleasant or anything, yet for some reason you just CANT. absolutely by far the most frustrating thing about ADHD for me. I'll get stuck on certain things for MONTHS (or even years in extreme cases) and when I finally do it, it only takes like 2min to do, and then it's like "why tf did I have to spend months/years dreading and avoiding and stressing tf out about this thing that coulda been done in TWO MINUTES??". Yet even being aware of that, somehow I'm not able to overcome it in the moment, it feels like I PHYSICALLY just cannot. There always eventually comes a moment where all of a sudden I'm able to do it, in a way I simply wasn't able to the entire time leading up to that moment.
EXACTLY currently it’s just cleaning my room. All I have to do is pick up some dirty clothes and put them in the wash and empty the trash can. THATS IT. And I’ve been putting it off for months despite constantly being like okay you have to do it now and then I just don’t for no fucking reason
That section hit me so hard because I identify with it to a T and it's something I constantly struggle with. I'm not diagnosed with ADHD, but I've been wondering about it lately and I had no idea this was a symptom. Out of curiosity do you have any ways to cope with this problem or no
one of the absolute worst things with adhd for me (amongst like 3456 others) is how poor my memory is. I will watch a movie, love it and a month later I will not be able to tell you how it ended. I will read books and just not remember a thing from them, not remember entire conversations 2 days after having them, someone will ask me to do something, I will agree with a genuine intention to do it, leave the room and the request will just evaporate from my brain entirely. There are topics that I have studied over and over and over again and still have to look them up because I don't remember what the case was, it's fucking exhausting and it makes me feel so stupid like I will never amount to anything if I can't memorise simple shit. This comment section has become my therapy session. Sorry for venting, thanks for the video it was super cool and funny, love your content, you are really doing a great job
This is so fucking real like I was part of the gifted and talented scheme growing up and now that I can’t recall like Any of my knowledge on anything I always feel so stupid and inept
I study art so I have trouble remembering artists or art piece's names, and I feel soooo stupid and uneducated in front of teachers when we have to talk about our inspirations and such... Even tho I remember the art and how it impacts me and my own art is not enough to them because they already think "students these days don't read", is so annoying. I also can't remember other students I am frendly with names and I genuinely like them so I feel so bad because they must think "Wow she doesn't even know my name and we did that class together and she pretends to be friendly" :(
This is the crossover episode I didn't know I was waiting for.
I really like the dynamic between the three of you guys, I hope that in the future we can see you all together again doing many things
honestly the adhd discussions you guys have on this podcast have been so helpful in changing how i view my own adhd. the episode where jarvis talked about the warped idea that executive dysfunction means only doing things you like and how thats just false when you break it down made me treat myself with so much more kindness. it's rare to see discussions about adhd from any perspectives that arent children or parents of adhd children or neurotypicals who have never dealt with the lived experience of adhd, and its been truly healing to hear you guys talk about it
Hasan's explanation of ADHD felt so relatable. Especially the coming off as rude, eating the same food everyday, and procrastinating simple tasks
When I was a kid I legitimately thought that women just... got pregnant after they got married. Like it just happened randomly.
(I had a pretty sheltered childhood)
raised Catholic, can confirm I thought this was the case
Every married woman has to do a saving throw once a month. Once she fails, she will no longer have her period and begin pregnancy.
I thought it was the wedding cake that made you pregnant. I thought the couple were the only people who ate the cake, and the bride would get super full. Then her food baby would turn into a real baby.
@@catgrrr1damn that's a Junji Ito idea just waiting to happen
Jarvis, I just got a procedure done to correct a deviated septum to improve breathing and sleep, and it was super easy. Obviously talk to an ENT and/or do a sleep study to find out if it's what yo need, but don't be afraid of the process. It's not super invasive, took under an hour and you're under anesthesia for it. Recovery is pretty smooth, low pain, just can't use your nose for about a week until the stents come out. Highly recommend if your doctor does as well, I can easily breathe 2x better than before.
Ngl, one of my favorite things about having a PTSD service dog is being able to dip whenever I need to from a social situation, regardless if she actually needs to be tended to. Everyone is completely understanding when I saw, "She needs to go out/find water/get walked." Goes over better than saying, "I'm trying to midigate a panic attack and any firther attention is going to make it 10x worse."
When you guys were talking about the inability to start on the smallest tasks I realized this is exactly what I started suffering from this summer-executive dysfunction. I don't have ADHD but I do fall under the general "neurodivergent" umbrella and I agree that you really do have to do what works for you. I still don't have any coping mechanisms for it, but putting a name to my struggle makes it a bit easier. If anyone else figures out what to do with this though... let me know
When this started for me about a year ago I would set timers for myself. Really short ones too like here’s 5 minutes and I’ll do whatever chore I want and then just seeing how much work could be done in 5 minutes alone helped out a lot. I always see any chores or deadlines as looming over me so it’s good to ground yourself and remember it’s not gonna be forever. Now I try to do 15 minutes and by the time the alarm goes off I’m just on a roll and don’t stop. Still difficult, but it’s a little easier. And always reward yourself!!!!!
@@valkyrie4350 Thank you so much for your advice!! I will be sure to try it. I find timers really abrasive so I *will* have to climb yet another obstacle to make this work 😭 The neurodivergent spiral... but the effort is worth it!
@@winkcloudIf you have an iphone, you can make it so your music stops when the timer ends! So you can play lofi music or something else you like, and when the timer is done there’s no abrasive noise :)
erectile dysfunction
@@quitefankly you are a genius. thank you for that idea! my go-to was to look for animal crossing-esque sounds instead lol
Sometimes (every time) Jordan's one liners just Get Me "Par-ah-dy? Right? That's when its real, and you mean it?" CHRIST, MAN im dying here
I came back to this episode to listen to y'all chat about your ADHD experiences. Since getting on meds to treat my ADHD, I've doubted my diagnosis because I've managed to keep things together. But like Hasan, I need a routine to maintain my day to day. Prior to medication, I heavily relied on momentum to get me through the day. I'm so burnt out because of it. Needless to say, your openness has been helpful to me in this moment
Some of the reasons I admire Hasan as content creator are his organization, forethought, planning, and abilty to maintain a schedule long term. These are things I struggle with daily as someone with ADHD and a slew of other things. I didnt know Hasan deals with it too. Its hella encouraging to see his success.
Holy shit the ADHD section of this episode was extremely helpful for me as someone who has not really found any ways to deal with it. This was super helpful to listen to and made me really hopeful for improving my existence with ADHD.
Genuine question, not even sure if this is related but anyone else in this situation struggle to sleep at a proper time? My brain is always in a different state of energy. I heavily gravitate towards nighttime, I always call myself a vampire because I actually have a problem not staying up all night because my brain is cranking hard (brrrr). But every time I fix my schedule, I almost immediately flop it on its head and stay up even sometimes if im exhausted my brain isnt.
yah it's very common in adhd
It's very common for those with ADHD to have a shifted circadian rhythm, yeah.
that things Jarvis was talking about in the ADHD section with needing to have someone around to "quote his hand" is actually something called body-doubling. its basically just having another person around to keep you responsible for doing your task. Its one of my #1 ways i am able to do work
ok nevermind i watched the rest of the video 💀💀💀
You have no idea how much I needed someone to talk about everything in the ADHD segment. Holy shit. This is like my second episode listening/watching and I am glad to have done so now.
I'm glad you guys talked about things in your lives that you procrastinate with until the lasrlt second because I'm the same way and it's nice to know I'm not alone in torturing myself in this way lol
it's way more common than you think. we've been socially conditioned into believing that procrastination is a sign of laziness so everyone hides the fact that they do it because they feel ashamed.
Jordan please the baby girl allegations won’t address themselves
What allegations 😭
Love this podcast. You guys should have more leftwing creators on, you guys had very good energy
The small headed man has amazing self discipline and emotional intelligence
I have autism which is comorbid with adhd and I relate to the rejection dysphoria hits really close to home.
Also just a lot of the adhd discussion in general
i don't have adhd, but i totally relate to the convo about procrastinating things, and accumulating a huge mental load. i will literally refer to it as "pending tasks," and no matter how big or small the task is, it's still taking up space in my brain, and it's still hanging over my head until i get it over with. sometimes when i start feeling like really upset and stressed, i realize i actually just have a ton of pending tasks that i've been putting off, and i'll do something stupid like wash my dishes or paint my nails and BOOM, so much better
Body doubling helps me so much too as an ADHDer. I try and do it with someone I know if possible (either in person or over a video call), but I recently tried using Focusmate. Was nervous about using it, but it did really help!
I really enjoy hearing about the process behind being a content creator like this. Not in a para-social way, but in a way that makes me feel more comfortable about the pace I take in my personal creative projects.
I used to work at a dog daycare where two of the staff's dog chewed through a fence that was between their kennels and had a puppy.
Edit: of course, they had to change the type of fencing and put put up a wall
This reminds me of an abo-insp ao3 I read once
@@badger6882😧
Life... uh... finds a way
@@badger6882none of those words are in the bible
@@Ty6260nah in the book of revelation god says “I am the alpha and the omega” lmao
i was waiting for this since the Fear& episode! it was so good
As someone who was also diagnosed with adhd and have been putting off trying to get new health insurance for 3 months now I felt that last convo deep in my soul
jarvis you GOTTA get jerma on here you GOTTA get mr.985 himself out there I'm BEGGING you jarvis (I have 100% faith that jordan will agree and will not be begging him)
Isn't he not supposed to be let out of the asylum?
this is crazy bc the last video I watched before this one was literally just some random Jerma stream, wtf kinda coincidence
@@Fleshdeficiency he needs enrichment!! it's part of his treatment!! you can trust me I'm his doctor
If they had Ludwig on, then I feel like there's a (hopefully) good chance they'll have Jerma on.
I think a lot of the pushback from people with ADHD is that we always experience "just try harder" feedback, so understanding that your brain does work a bit diferently keeps you from feeling like you're just objectively bad at life. I do agree that pills don't make skills, but they definitely help.
This is the dream team, the absolute best blunt rotation
It’s always comforting to hear ppl I look up to/ see as successful talk about things like ADHD. Reminds me that these symptoms are real and not just due to me being dumb or lazy or something like that.
Hearing Jarvis describe rereading the same lines over and over hit hard haha. My parents got me tested because of my general lack of interest in school but i vividly remember doing that all the time
Jarvis, at 1:08:00 you're describing something called body doubling. Its a term used by neurodivergent people to describe doing separate activities parallel to someone, tends to help many people with ADHD : )
1:14:35 This is the first time I’ve ever heard the term body doubling and it makes so much sense. So many things clicked when you spoke about it. Thank you!
I do body doubling a lot with like simple household stuff like dishes and it's really helpful. That whole segment was so nice to hear.
The downside about having a big dog who hides poops is that when it's found it could literally be anybody's. "Murat, I think Kaya found a new spot" Murat like "That's what you fucking get for all the neurodivergent anti-engineer jokes"
The adhd conversation should honestly show that it can be very debilitating in many aspects. I can understand for Hasan why he feels it’s nothing crazy bc he has a very tight regimen that he follows to a tea but just a little break in the regimen can lead to chaos in your day. And the socialization aspect, putting off things that don’t give you dopamine, time blindness, etc, then you add co-morbidities onto those, adhd can be so debilitating.
Yeah that was kind of funny to me when he was like ‘it’s so easy to manage!!! All you have to do is have an extremely strict regimented schedule that you never stray from and have everything planned extremely in advance with no off days :) hope this helps!!’ And it’s like bestie if you have to go to such extremes that ppl don’t understand how you can live like that then maybe adhd is actually difficult LOL
@@rabbit6546it’s been 9 months and ngl I think about your comment whenever I think about hasan and he talks about his adhd LMAO
Watching Hasan has definitely helped me realize the things that help me with my adhd. I have the same style of regimented life for my adhd because I tried what he described and it really works for me. People think I’m super good at time management, but if I don’t do it, I fall apart.
my problem is how do you start doing it, I cannot for the life of me start waking up at the same hours, I know it helps me to have a regimen but I just cannot keep it up, I have a 1000 alarms I put the alarm in weird places I have planners apps calendars lists notebooks I feel like I literally tried everything at this point and my adhd is not budging. I live with my grandparents and my grandma literally wakes me up every day, I still fail to get out of bed before noon on some days. I'm slowly taking control over my executive functioning but damn I am so so far away from having a consistent routine, I just can't imagine how you just flip. At the same time I know symptoms vary in severity. I just feel hopeless I dream of having a consistent regimen and it seems impossible rn or any time soon
@@andziamikolaj9799 keep trying. Nothing will just flip into suddenly working the way you wish things were… slow but consistent and constant progress towards your goals is more important than being able to do something big immediately because it’s more likely that habits you form over long periods of time will become much more likely to be successful and will stay ingrained in your everyday life as well. Good luck
@@andziamikolaj9799hey! So I can’t wake up at the same time either but I gave up on doing that! What I do is start my day the same way no matter when I wake up. So do a repetitive activity to get me in the mode of “my day has now started” maybe that’ll help!
i forgot everyone doesnt not wear shoes in the house, the thought of it disgusts me
absolutely deranged to wear shoes in the house unless you're about to leave
have fun stubbing your toes
My dad has been complaining about how dirty the floors are in his home for like 20 years and claims THAT'S why he wears shoes inside and REFUSES to believe that it's his dirty ass shoes making it dirty.
If I wear shoes in the house it's a pair of sandals, I have plantar fasciitis real bad and I need something with arch support if I'm gonna be standing for a while, like cooking dinner
Live in a South East Asian household. The idea of having to wear shoes in your very own home is WILD to us. Unless your floors are not well cleaned (as it should be), why are you wearing anything other than house slippers if you want to have something on your feet. I remember seeing that nonsense when I watched a movie and there was a typical, white American family and the daughter was wearing SNEAKERS while chilling on her bed. Like... WHY??
YES. Now get QT on next 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Resumes are one of the most daunting tasks for me as well - it’s likely I’ll stay at the same company for my entire career just so I don’t have to update my resume 😅
I had a similar One Piece logo parsing issue as a kid. I was reading it as "NEP ECE" or "NEP EGG" or something, and confused the hell out of a friend when we were discussing the US magazine's debut issue.
This episode was so incredible. I’ve been looking forward to this happening for so long as I’ve been a fan for everyone here for years, so seeing them together in the same space was so wholesome and honestly therapeutic. In particular, the portion talking about ADHD was very illuminating because while I was diagnosed with it in like.. 2006? Maybe? I’ve always been told to essentially just power through it and if I can’t do that with adderall alone and no psychological help, then I’m a worthless, person shaped, pile of garbage, so there’s a lot about it that I am unaware of… There’s a lot of things that you guys are saying that makes so much sense to me! I just kind of thought the everybody lived like this, though. I had no idea.. thank you. I am so happy. Thank you, all.
Ps Jordan’s humor has always been so perfect but my god he’s just killing it on these
thanks for talking about adhd. it is so refreshing hearing people who are successful talk thru the same struggles I also face.
Procrastination has caused me actual problems in my life. I'd say it feels good to not be alone. but I know the self hate that comes with this particular affliction. Why do we torture ourselves so much?
jarvis, my brother had the throat surgery from having sleep apnea. he had his uvula removed but he was put under and didn’t feel a thing. recovery was also easy for him and it’s helped him a lot! he still snores but it no longer disrupts his sleep :)
OMG JARVIS 😭😭It feels so good to know I am not alone! When I got Shonen Jump as a kid , I also thought for the longest time One Piece was "Nep Echo"
One of the big reasons I watch this is when you guys talk about ADHD. I went undiagnosed for over 30 years, and it's the meds AND the cognitive "therapy", changes one makes to cope. Meds don't fix everything, they just allow someone to sort out how to deal with the issues. Many of the "issues" (hyper-focusing especially) are still there, but now I can at least recognize it and break it when needed....or use it to my advantage. Being diagnosed and letting my workplace know has been good, my coworkers also understand and will watch out if I'm loosing focus, let me WFH to concentrate on difficult tasks, and know they can give me projects that are pretty complex and "let me do my thing" and I almost always get them done. I'm also in IT, specifically cyber-security (now, that I'm medicated and able to keep my stuff in-line) so Jarvis's life experiences, stories, and such have really helped me find new ways in this "adhd adventure".
Hasan hitting the classic pronunciation of Drow blew my mind.
I've read RA Salvatore's Dark Elf series since the Icewind Dales trilogy was published. It was a little weird hearing Hasan say Drow.
Oh boy I’ve got my soup, what should I watch. Sad boys sounds good. Surely there won’t be any discussion of dog diarrhea
YES FINALLY HASAN ON THE POD
Omg Rejection sensitivity sucks!!!
I grew up thinking that everyone hated me too, So I shut down when people would make fun of me
because I'd be overthinking if I was hated. (mainly I was trying to not run away crying)
I went to the librarian at the age of 12, asked her for "Oh nepiek volume 2" stun locked her and the windows 93 pc she was looking it up on
I feel so vindicated as a newly diagnosed person with adhd. I’m 27 and I know so little about it. Thanks guys.
You all having friendship on main makes me feel so paradoxical lol. We love you too!!! Parasocially.
You sweet ADHD Boyz just made me understand how I've found myself in my current slump and have given me the strength to deal with Plate Stack. Thank Youuuu.
When you block someone, an alarm will go off in an undisclosed location and a small group of elite army bros will hunt down the person you blocked.
Definitely never going to hear from them again. The ultimate block.
Hey Jarvis. Sit down with Jordan and help him update his resume. We don't want Sad Boyz to go back to long distance video calls.
Watching this helped me realize something I have dealt with in the past is actually related to my ADHD. I had never heard of Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria, but it really brought past experiences and emotions into the light as to why I sometimes felt extreme emotion and rejection around things I logically knew were unjustified but my emotions felt like the nob was broken
Ive wanted this collab for so long… Great episode as always guys! ❤️
I’d rather be stunlocked and think rather than in one ear out my mouth.
omg I've been so excited for this one since hasan said he was coming on!
Listening to Jordan's experience with the US customs in Toronto, I had the exact same problem at the exact same airport going in the other direction. As a US citizen living in Canada, the border patrol did the same song and dance, then eventually just waved me through when he was bored with bullying me.
8:53 that’s truly unacceptable. Claims he’s a socialist but then also has to pee. Typical grifter
Socialism is when you can't pause
@18:06 i watched Hasan react to Eddy Burback's Margaritaville video, then watched Eddy's then watched Ted
Hasan assuming Jimmy Buffet might have dabbled in cocaine trafficking cause he had a speedboat then Eddy flashing that article in his video made me laugh so hard
i love hearing them talk about one piece while i work on once piece cosplay
Oh my GOD. I absolutely get that rejection thing, it's so fucking weird. My brain absolutely just shuts off and makes me just never want to talk again and just leave whatever situation i'm in instantly. I hate it and it's almost impossible to force myself to get out of that mood
the film quality of these podcasts are so subtly beautiful
I have officially begun my parasocial relationship with jordan. sorry, jordan.
1:04:10 Same, I also have this "good focus mode" when I'm doing stuff I enjoy. And ofc the opposite for things I don't.
I have found motivations for environmental selfcare to be much easier to avquire when living with other people. I think it because of the sense of community, regardless of relationship dynamic, be it room mates or spouses. Its easier to want to to things to accommodate a community that purely for yourself when you experience mental illness.
The ADHD conversation is making me realize that I might have ADHD
the adhd talk is the soul of this episode and i'm here for it
Least favorite part of ADHD is people just not understanding how difficult it is to overcome the procrastination.
shoutout this pod, wasn’t familiar w Jordan but he’s very endearing and funny
Fully relate to that whole ADHD section. Especially as someone who only found that out as an adult a few years ago and in recent weeks just realizing the extent of my neurodivergency. Got me looking at my entire lore differently and shit
I saw Hasan in the thumbnail and was like "Oh that must be an alpha male podcaster" I'm so sorry
Jordan -as someone who has to deal with Border Patrol far too much for my job... I apologize for any bullshit they've put you through. I can promise you that USCIS hates them too. Hope your visa stuff works out smoothly!!
the ADHD conversation is really interesting! I somewhat agree Hasan's point about it being "easier" (i don't want to play disability olympics). I think the disconnect is looking at the disability hierarchy, in how society frames things. I think there's a lot of built in things for ADHD (there's def needed improvement, but still lol)
on the subject of only being productive with someone - i looove the parallel work/play. for 3 days in a row my friend and i hopped on a discord call while we worked on the costumes we'd put off this entire summer and at long last??? we got them fully done with time to spare before the convention. gotta have that support work-a-long
not hasan looking like a buff ass BL manga love interest
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I just want to put this out there for Jarvis, I also suffered from sleep apnea from deviated septum. I got a septoplasty last year and not only has my day-to-day life improved because I am now fully able to breathe out of my nose, my sleep also has benefited dramatically.
So I highly highly recommend looking into septoplasty. Jaw surgery definitely sounds a bit more intrusive. The septoplasty took about a week to heal, you'll have these weird plastic slugs in your nose to where you can't really taste or smell anything for about a week. Afterwards though, it's night and day.
sensitive adhd haver here: it sucks to have to work a regular job and have adhd. I think most people with adhd wish they could have a creative job that caters DIRECTLY to adhd. You said it yourself Hasan: your life would fall apart if you didn’t have your structure. So think about most people with it that are forced to fit into a system that is completely incompatible with your brain.
Also I know he knows this stuff, but it always seems like he thinks his adhd is representative of why people complain too much about it. But he’s the exception
Yeah, I'm a hasanabi head, and maybe I'm missing something here, but his concept on people being over sensitive about the debilitation factor really made me wonder why people were calling this segment "super-validating". They all go on to discuss that feeling, but comments like that remind me of the difficulties of- what do ya know- dismissal, minimization and *~rejection~* that comes with opening about it in general. When he said he didn't know what RSD was I was like "there you go".