It's kind of sad seeing Rose know what they're doing is messed up, but she doesn't feel comfortable fully speaking out about it because all the adults involved see no issues with it.
I completely agree, and it's messed up having a minor take part in this kind of stuff because it can follow her around for the rest of her life, even though she's clearly uncomfortable with it.
@@Mrsemir100 Rose was a minor, its not ultimately her choice to participate whoever her mother is. Also as Ray K pointed out, they're as much of a "real" family as many others. Single mother and live in boyfriend of multiple years. If that's a "tv family" then like 20-30% of american households with a kid are.
Chad did a whole poem about people assuming his sexuality based off of stereotypes and then Carmen IMMEDIATELY proved his fucking point the first time she met him
Carmen's "appreciation" of the clothes, culture etc. is so far over the line into fetishization. She's just DYING to play-act this cartoonish version of what she thinks a Black person is, despite the literal Black person right there trying to correct her. As infuriatingly awful as Bruno is, she creeps me out more. On another note, I literally choked when Jordan said "is this the slam poetry equivalent of a lap dance" 😂
Yeahhh. I wanna add onto that with the way she feels VERY manipulative. Like, she would cry and get upset instead of talking through situations and problems. Bruno is just blatantly, obliviously, and stupidly Blind to racism. She on the other hand refuses to take any blame and apologize when she’s in the wrong even if she knows she’s not in the right.
i’m never gonna get over how white bruno still looks even in the makeup. like it’s so obviously blackface. like there’s no way there wasn’t at least a single person who saw him and didn’t think “that is a white man dipped in paint”
He just looks like he has a bad tan and I think that's def affecting the validity of the experiment (which is dumb, don't get me wrong!! but if you're gonna do it, do it right and get amazing makeup artists who can really transform someone)
bruno wouldnt be able to tell if people were being racist towards him without them flat out calling him slurs because he also believes racist ideas and rhetoric. subtle changes in treatment and microaggressions directed at him while in blackface are not going to seem uncalled for or like racism to him
THIS. THIS IS THE MOST FACTS THING I'VE EVER READ. Bruno is so stuck in racist ideas that the microaggressions he'll be experiencing will just seem totally normal and commonplace to him. Only if someone were to outwardly use a slur or assault him because of his blackface would he understand that racism exists, and even then, he'd just say that person was extreme and hateful, or that racism only exists in extreme forms and all the microaggressions still don't exist. I've lost hope for him because it's these kinds of people that refuse to be educated because they're so privileged they literally don't get it.
I also think this could be combined with the fact that his blackface makeup just looks like a tan that went too far. I'm assuming that's what the other people that see him are thinking as well.
@@derekhasabrain I literally stop being friends with 2 people because of this, I tried to tell them that racism isn’t just hate crime etc but they wouldn’t believe me and they tried to tell me a **black women** that I didn’t understand racism-
I love how Bruno thinks that no black man has ever gone through life pleasantly and with a positive attitude and that's why the myth of racism is still a thing
@@damienearl8302it’s so ridiculous 💀 how can you look into the past and see that only about 200 years ago black people were literally enslaved and sold as product and seriously not even consider that racism still exists
The irony of the black family still having to experience racism in white makeup and the white family being blinded by their privilege even in black makeup is insane. I know it’s the point, but it’s just so disheartening and awful to see so constantly.
Even if Bruno had gone to that bar with that crazy racist he wouldn’t have noticed the racism because he IS that crazy racist guy 🙄🙄🙄 “what’s the racial makeup of this community” like, if Brian had walked into the bar in his whiteface and Bruno had been the guy sitting there that exchange would be no different
This show is straight lies!! And these dudes should know this, doing a commentary on this, with out doing any research, either they are terrible at what they do or the want to instigate the masses and trigger hate. These are the people that claim to be for equality when the instigate more hate and more racism. They are exactly what they claim to hate. Film actor (referred to here as a teacher) Bruno Marcotulli portrays Bruno Wurgel; his purported girlfriend Carmen, and her daughter Rose Bloomfield (a child actor who starred on the Disney television show Movie Surfers, until she quit shortly after being cast in Black. White.). The white family in black face are all paid actors. Do your research, don’t fall victim to false information.
I feel like the disconnect is because the black family was going into white spaces and were able to see the tangible difference in how they are treated as white, while the white family was just experiencing black culture for the first time
It could have been more impactful if they attempted to do the same activities as the opposite race. Like the faux Black family experiencing being Black at a country club.
Right? As if it’s just something new and almost “fun” whereas the black family experienced indirect racism in the same spaces but the racism was more candid because the white ppl were in a “safe” space. They made the black family out like a spectacle and like they made things a bigger deal than they really are. The white family should’ve listened to a historian, survivor, economist, etc regarding black experiences and the systems put in place to keep whites separate and “safe”.
Bruno: "I'm gonna be courteous to people around me. It's not about race." Also Bruno: *says the N word at the dinner table with a family of black people*
3:05:03 The way the show is turning Renee being mad at Carmen for objectifying a room full of black people into a personal squabble from earlier in the episode is really telling. Whenever a black character gets justifiably upset they frame it like they're just trying to personally attack the person they have an issue with.
If Bruno’s karma isn’t getting hit by a bus or a falling piano, it’s not fitting. What an ignorant, emotionally manipulative, and infuriatingly horrid person. “Go at racism with an open heart,” says the racist as he’s being racist and denying the life experience of who he’s being racist to.
its so infuriating. like no shit youre not seeing racism. while black people have been trained to see certain things as warning signs,, youve been trained to see it as "just how the world works". i cannot understand this shit. im white and was raised by someone even more racist than Bruno- even as a small child i realized my dad is stupid just by people watching. im autistic, which means i struggle a lot with social cues, body language, etc. and even i can tell how white people treat black people differently. if he actually gave a shit or had common sense, he would be using this opportunity to ask questions. like he shouldve been asking "why does that word hurt you so bad?" instead of just telling them "idk why that word bothers you so bad, see look it doesnt hurt me while im cosplaying as you. why are yall so sensitive???"
@@somedude172 i 100%%% agree with your comment!! Its so horrible to see so many people in the world not understand how poorly people of colour can be treated, thank you for being considerate and treating people of colour how they should he treated, with compassion and love like how you should treat any other person in the world
I’m from a pretty diverse hometown, but nobody really discussed this stuff (granted I also didn’t have any friends cuz I’m a weird nerd). As frustrating as the show is to watch, I do like listening to Jarvis and Jordan’s commentary. I’m white, and I obviously haven’t experienced this stuff firsthand. Hearing their perspectives on the very specific things is informative.
This show is honestly, WAY too long. Hasan reacted to the entire season a few months ago. I can’t believe I watched all of it, it actually ends up getting repetitive/redundant and in the end it’s like.. well I won’t “spoil” it, but it won’t surprise you.
Bruno thinking that asking a racist "why do you want to call me such a harmfully racially charged word 🥺" is going to make them rethink their entire being and suddenly stop them being bigoted is the peak ignorancy of the white saviour complex
literally sounds like he's expecting them to go into a long, heart-felt monologue about their life experiences that lead them to being racist only for them to realise "oh no!!! I'm racist because of 'trauma' and now I am just going to Not be racist any more!" it's usually not that deep bruno... usually it's just because they don't care to listen or learn and probably think they're egdy for doing so... also gives me "racist sympathiser" vibes ngl but yknow
@@Gxylord "I wanted to get a reaction out of you...but maybe the reaction I truly needed was just patience and kindness all along" cue claps from the live studio audience
16:48 I don’t know if it was edited to look like that, but Renee’s initial smile at hearing Rose talk about the poetry group is the best thing to come out of this show.
i feel terrible for the kids. the boy is taking it like the joke it is, good for him, but rose is actually having her views of the world being turned upside down and she's trying to keep up with it and learn, but it's gotta be rough. the way she agreed with renee ("i know!") when renee said: i wouldn't have called YOU bad names regardless of the situation; to carmen. and not to mention the whole poetry group thing. like. the kid's trying. but watching her parents (i guess it's been mentioned that bruno isn't her dad but he's still an adult figure in her life) react so poorly to everything is probably very confusing too
I think what sold that idea for me, in the case of Nick, was when he said he just wants to pass...nothing else, just that I genuinely feel like he didn't even want to be there, and was just trying to get out of it what he could
Genuinely think Bruno wants someone to be racist so he can yell at the person and be a hero. It’s a hero complex. He’s the dude who fantasizes about saving someone from being assaulted without questioning why he’s fantasizing about people being assaulted.
If he were to be called a slur, he'd be glad so he could go off on his racist rant "if you don't give the words power they won't affect you, see, I was called the n-slur and I didn't mind so clearly it isn't a problem"
I'm pretty sure in the first episode, he was basically like: "If someone comes up to me and calls me a slur, and that *will* happen, I'll be able to mentally spar with them" He basically just made a promise and is so desperate to make it come true that he's just *asking* for it to happen
The bullshit Bruno was saying about how "they could just be having a bad day" or "you're reading too much into it" are the exact same things Ive heard to invalidate my experiences of sexual harrasment and transphobia.
no literally same, th ammount of times cis friends have said that somebody treating me differently as a visible trans woman is a coincidence or that i was making shit up is so frequent and upsetting
Like that's even an excuse! "I felt bad so I wanted to make you feel even worse and I insulted and harassed you for no reason" shouldn't be acceptable explanation in ANY situation, no matter who the participants are.
As a white person, I don't have to "put joy out in to the world," come in with "love" and an "open heart." I can be a grouchy b!tch all I want. Yell at service people, etc. And never have to deal with the shit that black people gave to deal with. Even if it WERE true that being "nice" or "acting white" could protect POC from racism, as Bruno is suggesting, nobody should HAVE TO act happy and put love into the world everywhere they go. What if your grandma just died this morning? What if you're mentally ill and you have a public meltdown? POC should be entitled to the same safety that white people have regardless of their attitude or mood.
Bruno's problem is that his "version" of racism is the racism from the 5o's where is was acceptable to have segregation and call people colored etc. He has this almost fantasized and extreme version of what racism looks like and how it is experienced. Racism has not gone away, it has become more insidious and that is what Bruno doesn't understand. No one is going to yell at him for drinking at the same water fountain or sitting at a diner when he is in black face. It's going to be a lot less obvious than that and that affects how you live and react to life. It's using your middle name instead of your first on your resume to just get invited to interview for the job so you're not overlooked.
Once I went out to eat with a black friend of mine. We sat at a table for thirty minutes and the server didn't so much as look at us, but gave quick and courteous service to the white family sitting next to us. No one said a word as we got up and left the restaurant. Why do I get the feeling that if this happened to Bruno, he'd still be making bullshit excuses and trying to say racism doesn't exist?
Man why couldn't they just have Rose go to the poetry group as herself, she could've still made black friends and learned from their experiences WITHOUT putting both herself and everyone else in this incredibly awkward situation where she's deceived them
And the thing that made it so hard was her being so uncomfortable and feeling like she couldn't be herself or express herself properly because the show put her in blackface im not trying to say she's not in the wrong but you can see she just feels so guilty and wants to be herself and stop lying to these people she genuinely wants to be friends with
the problem is that they set her up for failure from the very start because this was an all-black slam poetry group, so she wouldn't be allowed to go without blackface on.
@@starchippp What I'm saying is they should've just found a black poetry group that was willing to let a white girl sit in with them for a few sessions for the show and just been open from the beginning
@@fyrefrost1898 i agree, but that wouldnt be nearly problematic enough for this show. they gotta go full on invasion of black people's safe spaces and making them afraid and betrayed :)
the fact that bruno keeps talking over brian and shutting him down while he tries to speak about his actual experiences with racism is proof enough that racism exists. god i can't believe i even have to say that.
You’re so right But if you pointed this out to a guy like Bruno his brain would malfunction like “but- I don’t actively want all black people dead. So it *cant* be racism. I just want all black people to be ideal citizens and conform to my culture 100% but I’m not *racist*”
Seeing another culture’s clothing as a way to be “outrageous” is literally why it’s cultural appropriation. You don’t want to learn or adopt anything that comes with it, you just want to play dress up.
Rose telling them she’s white was just a….weird scene overall cause most people were super immediately accepting about it (probably because of the cameras) when shes *literally* in blackface and hasn’t even explained why she is and is doing the whole “this is hard for me too” guilt trip, and chad has every reason to actually be angry at her. but at the same time i did feel a tiny bit sympathetic from the outside perspective of ACTUALLY knowing that she most likely had no choice in being on this show, and has talked multiple times prior about how bad she feels lying to these people and being in their safe space as someone she is not. so obviously its going to be stressful for her if she feels a connection with all these kids and knows she’s betrayed their trust and was basically forced into doing so…. but why the hell didnt she lead with like “i was asked to be in this slam poetry group as part of this show” and explain the full thing instead of just being like “i’m a white girl in blackface who has been lying to you and this is hard on me, any questions or comments?” and SERIOUSLY why are people so chill about it?
Tbh I don't think she even fully processes that she didn't do this by choice. Like even while she is describing crying every day & talking about the crippling guilt that she has in participating in this, she phrases it as if she *chose* to do this. I wouldn't be surprised if the cognitive dissonance she has in thinking she had a choice vs. feeling forced to do all these bad things made the entire experience all that more confusing and upsetting for her. Like I feel like 90% of Rose's part in the show is watching her hate herself and her complicity in everything that's happening, even though again she had no choice & was pressured by her mom and the show into joining the poetry club and doing this show in the first place.
To play devils advocate, she might have though that trying to give excuses would just be more disingenuous than just saying “I’m sorry and I regret betraying you”. People talk lol the time bout how excuses are worthless and don’t absolve you at all, so even if she gave her reasons, she might have thought it would be pointless to explain herself in that moment. I feel bad for her bc she was a minor and doesn’t have much say in life as such, even if she was almost 18, it doesn’t matter, she wasn’t 18. So what her parents tell her to do is what she has to do. She couldn’t legally sign the contract, her parents did that. I can’t blame her for feeling the way she did, or the other kids for their feelings. People shouldn’t put minors in these situations to begin with :( they can’t actually say no…. They barely know how to navigate basic social situations as it is. Nvm something so awful being pushed on them by parents wanting a reality Tv check.
@@esaelisa423 yeah 100%. She couldn’t agree to this at her age. The age of consent is set to 18 because we know kids struggle with understanding what they’re really consenting to and blame themselves. Even then 18 is very young. She had no control in her situation, her parents did, but she was left to blame herself. It sucks. Yeah it was wrong but we can’t really say she was able to make a clear choice, esp since she clearly resented the whole situation the entire time.
I imagine he is real and is a major critic of racism and a very active civil rights advocate but Bruno just glazes over whenever he talks and fills in what he thinks Scott said
I've noticed that most if not all of the experiences this show puts the white family through are positive; The mom gets to experience a church service, the daughter is invited to a poetry group, etc. The only conflict they've faced so far is when the dad was hanging out with the black dad and they were avoided by passerby's--and even then the offense had to be pointed out by the black dad. Meanwhile the black family is largely forced to engage with the racism of everyday society, none of which they had to be in white-makeup for and all of it they were already aware of. I don't understand why the segments are framed like this. You could argue it's to introduce black culture and how it's similar to white society, but I think it just further disconnects the white family from the institutional racism of everyday, and removes their potential to even fully reckon with their own privilege, much less learn how to change. I guess unsurprisingly, the show feels like a self-righteous, vain attempt at explaining racism in the modern day. Also who chose that wig for the white mom is a criminal and they will be hearing from a lawyer.
im indian and bruno triggered tf out, so much of what he says sounds just like shit my (much lighter) mom (who also lived in India majority of her life) would say to me when I’d talk about racism I’d experience growing up as a minority in America. “I’m looking for something to be mad about” “You’re interpreting it wrong” “Why give those words so much power” are words I hear whenever I dare to rant to my mom hoping she’d give me some kind of comfort. Growing up as very clearly brown and “other” in a white school, neighborhood, and society is something she can’t understand. So when u grow up as “other” you notice small ways people treat you differently, and yeah, you actively keep note of them to make sure you’re safe, and just painting ur face dark isn’t nearly enough to understand that. One of Bruno’s problems is that he doesn’t understand that racism isn’t always overt, that mor often than not, its covert.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!! i.e.: "I'm waiting for this experience to happen and you keep saying it's gonna happen but I've been here a while and it hasn't happened."
@@TibsisTops and once it kicked in he'd still be saying nothing happened because he expected to witness the entire universe open itself up instead of just feeling the buzz.
Bruno just called someone's spiritual community a pep rally. That's devaluing and infantilizing black people who express religious devotion in a way Bruno's not used to. Honestly it's disrespectful
@@zaspo_sapin7620 a pep rally is an assembly at schools before a game where cheerleaders and other students and staff try to get the student assembly excited and pumped for the game.
As a literal SA victim, I've heard brunos spirituality rant way too many times by everyone around me, even with my depression and anxiety I've been given that same talk. How hard is it to just shut your mouth and empathize with another human being's pain? Maybe I'm a regular human with emotional maturity, but I feel like it shouldn't be hard to understand that just because you haven't experienced something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
this is exactly right. Mental illness and trauma is always regarded by others as a problem for themselves, whether they realize it themselves. It's the same with aot of other things. I'm so sorry you had to go through that, stay strong love.
@halffacedbone2998 thank you, i think people who haven't been through trauma, or harder issues to face, have a hard time understanding it, but even with people who have been through it, in society there's this notion that if you don't ever show struggle, and if you magically decide to be okay, you're strong, and anyone who doesnt is choosing to be that way. It's insane.
I think we're that idea comes from, is cognitive dissonance. People want to believe if they do everything right, they won't suffer. Suffering is a huge part of life. They just don't want to believe that
Why have I never heard a manager talk that way about a white girl’s bad attitude? They always have some story about an “angry black woman” but I’ve never once heard one about a white, female worker.
@@zaspo_sapin7620 don't got a time stamp but the kid went "some people call me [gay slur] and I want then to know I am most certainly not, and I hate that" or something similar in the first poetry session
I'm disgusted and horrified by the poetry class situation. They allowed her into their safe space and bared their souls in front of her. The betrayal of trust there is just vile.
I only understand that to a point. Just because she is white doesn't make her any less human and to say she betrayed them is just blaming someone else that probably got roped into this
i think they all knew a camera crew was in there and signed release forms so it's not like, QUITE as extreme as it would be if she were just anonymously slipping into a class i kinda wonder if everyone just knew the whole time, like it feels impossible that they didn't
my heart does ache for rose being raised like that, trying to do right but just being so ignorant and forced to do blackface when it obviously wrecks her heart if shes crying twice a day. i hope now shes older she learnt to reorientate her language to center it less on her and more on the people shes listening to
It's interesting to see Rose notice that it's more than just his skin tone that makes Nick black. It's an entirely different culture. She even picked up that he uses AAVE and that that was contributing to ppl still treating him differently
I kept trying to figure out why everything the white couple did was so offensive, outside of the obvious, and it finally hit me. They approach everything "black" with this whole thing of 'Look how fun this black thing is' like they are at a "black amusement park". They are treating this as a "black adventure" and not trying to honestly see what black people experience on a regular basis. Like even just describing the church praise and worship as a "pep rally" and a "show" was so disrespectful to me. The Wurgles are so overtly and covertly racist and refuse to see it.
They approach it like a vacation. It gives me postcolonialism vibes. But they also don't necessarily even believe they're going to experience anything traumatic or dangerous, especially Bruno.
You're right...it's still a problem so many people today have too. They're not looking at the racism & experiences blacks face on a daily basis, they just see the black lifestyle on the surface. They don't see the reasons why black people and lifestyle is the way it is. The Wurgles are a family who asks "Why are black people living in ghettos?" then deny anything about racialized poverty.
The bits where Brian is interacting with the racists at the bar reminds me of being around groups of men as a closeted trans woman before I came out. Hearing what men say when they think there are no women around while BEING a woman is... a trip
Girl yes ! I thought of hearing guys at work shit talk trans people while I, a trans guy am right there. But they don't know I'm trans. Dead inside and couldn't get out of there fast enough
@Zuzanna Rey ime they don't even censor themselves even in front of women. most are quite happy to talk about their weird fantasies in front of any captive audience. men say they don't know any men who would sexually harass women, and women say they've never heard the "locker room" talk, but really neither is true; men play off what other men say as "just jokes" so they don't think it's real, and women who say this stuff just don't really put themselves in situations where they're the only woman in the room, but if they do (or if they happen to be by circumstance, like at work or something) then they'll hear the same stuff, or they'll hear the way men talk about their exes or women they were into in the past and it's just as bad it's like the scene in the bar where that guy just sat there going on about his racist ideas to a Black person that's right in front of him, except even more common
My bf has EDS, which is represented as a zebra, because of the saying they teach doctors, "when you hear hooves, expect horse, not zebra" indicating that rare symptoms should be more often attributed to more common ailments, which for people with rare conditions like EDS often leads to years of misdiagnosis and pain. So everytime I hear "if you're a zebra, better rep your stripes" I chuckle thinking about EDS pride. Needless to say we have a lot of zebra stripe things in this house lol.
Hypermobile Squad, checking in! EDs is terrible, and like you said, it's hard to get a diagnosis; what makes it even harder is that for mild cases, symptoms can be very random in their presentation. One day, you're okayish, but then the next it takes everything you have to even get up to use the bathroom, let alone anything else. One day at a time.
The thing about the "beautiful creature" comment Carmen makes is, she's a white woman. To her, this is a positive word. It's rarity; beauty; high value. A magnificent creature is regarded in awe. It's other but with a good connotation, and she's never had the experience of being othered, esp not in a negative way. So ofc to a POC (or anyone else with a bit more foresight, I guess), it's fkg weird to use the word "creature" to describe another human being. And she's telling on herself by constantly using other-ing language (talking about their appearance, always adding "black" to attributes unnecessarily), just straight up admitting that she sees them as Different first and foremost. Anyway Bruno and Carmen rly are made for each other or wtv :/
Watched Hasan watch the series and it gets much worse, she expects to be liked by all black strangers and shit. Acts like being around black communities is like a zoo too, feels threatened by the "foreign" nature of the situation. Expectations of black people to convince them of the racism and culture then talks over and basically "white-splain" shit. Times have changes a lot obviously, not enough but it is crazy that these people were probably the more progressive people for that time and area!
So I love to Google shit and Carmen & Rose left him. But after finishing this shit show, I figure it's this. Bruno is a racist, Carmen was a racist. She was a participant in this and actually took something from it. Bruno is gross af.
@Maester Gryphon yeah cause single moms can still date people..? Bruno and Carmen probably could have met on a set or through mutuals before dating. that is something that frequently happens in the acting world tbh
Carmen going shopping with the other lady, completely ignoring her literally handing her clothes going “this would be good for you to wear to church” so she could grab daishiki and LITERALLY play dress up, only to come back and say “do you think they wear this at church?” It’s all just too much. And then she’s gonna try and gaslight them about it when she was literally caught in 120p, I can’t deal. I wanna go back through compilations of Karen meltdowns from the past 3-5 years because I fully expect that she’s shown up and I haven’t noticed. EDIT: NOT CARMEN DECIDING TO JUST TRY AND OUTDO HER HUSBAND IN FRONT OF HER KIDS POETRY GROUP HOLY SHIT
because he thinks the only racism that exists is slurs and doesn’t believe in subtle racism and microaggressions. also he’s talking about how he would react to a slur if it happened to him but he is literally saying a slur in front of three black people and he didn’t get his ass beat and no one cussed him out. 🤦🏾♀️
I get so nervous around big dogs because I have been actively attacked by two poorly trained ones (both german Shepards) so hearing about how much effort you’re putting into training Dipper and how considerate you are is so reassuring 😭💕 To note, all of the pitbulls I’ve ever had the pleasure of meeting were the most well-trained sweethearts
Another thing about Bruno is he's like "If you don't let the word or the nasty stares offend you, then racism is solved." Bruno, at the end of the day, thinks that racism is a perception thing because even if you turned the other cheek and "why'd you call me that? I'm not offended", the racist guy is still racist. Theres no amount of "mentally sparring" or whatever he called it that's gonna make him realize the error of his ways. And I don't imagine Bruno is a grandmaster debater or anything either way.
@@batjackattack5556 Bruno in an actual debate would be like Schrödinger’s cat (idk if it makes sense here) Either you cry because Bruno is … well Bruno or Bruno cries because he has never had a debate with someone in which they have literally prepared for every argument, every straw man that he can come up with and be able to precisely refute it.
We haven't even gotten to Bruno's comic book supervillain backstory about how he thinks white people have it bad because his black high school basketball teammates were mean to him
My mom has this kind of mentality. She's white, and Puerto Rican and didn't speak any English, and she grew up in the Bronx (her life was pretty much West Side Story. And she got bullied all the time as a kid by black people because she's white (or so she says). But that doesn't mean she has a free pass to be racist to black people. I try to tell her that all the time but she constantly uses the excuse that since black people can be racist that she doesn't have any obligation not to be racist. It's frustrating.
@@derekhasabrain yeah I know a lot of Asian people feel that same way but the difference there is that there actually are a lot of black people who are racist against asians, not justified though for obvious reasons
White people in this show: if I was black and someone called me n-word I would comport myself with the utmost dignity and show them why they were wrong and it would not hurt me at all! Black people: here is why your language is hurtful. White people: OMG YOU HAVE JUDGED ME UNFAIRLY, WHY DO YOU HATE ME FOR BEING WHITE 😭😭😭😭😭
this is actually incredibly saddening, watching the black man have to experience so much racism every moment of the show and have some random racist dude tell him "it's your fault, you're going around looking for it." i've only been alive for two decades and i've experienced an unbelievable amount of racism, and this was from the 2000s onwards - i can't imagine being born in his generation, living through american racism for decades and then trying to educate others (as misguided as this show was) only to have this vile stuff thrown at him relentlessly. bruno literally acts like it's his damn job to insult and invalidate black people.
also, it's really true that the whole argument of "if you walk around expecting racism and looking for it everywhere you go, then it's your fault for experiencing 'racism' and seeing it all the time. if you just ignore it and don't let it get to you it's not a problem at all" - that argument is pushed onto us by people of all races, including our own. it's nice to want an equal society and sure it can be difficult to watch racism happen all the time but it doesn't mean that we should just deny it exists. when i say to someone "these racist things are happening to me" the last thing anyone needs to say is "just ignore it, racism doesn't exist, you're making this up, you're asking for it." as if me putting on a brave face will prevent hate crimes from happening. they're going to call me the n-word regardless of my attitude about it.
@@Jade-fw6ni it's impossible to say what's the most aggravating aspect of this shitshow, but bruno's gaslighting is definitely something that lingers. to him racism is not an issue. so when bringing up racism you're creating an issue. like you're being difficult. like why can't you just be happy and complacent? racism's over, _you're_ the racist for going on about racism! it's _THE_ white privilege mindset.
@@Jade-fw6ni The crazy part is how respectful the Black family was, despite having the N word thrown around, and their own experiences invalidated. It's honestly a testament to their strength, but also a sign of how used to this they are. You can tell they look dissapointed, but not surprised.
bruno reminds me of my mom, she’s absolutely convinced that if you’re just a nice person and don’t get upset with people for calling you a literal slur then you’ll solve racism
I swear that generation wants people to respond kindly to getting slapped in the face with hate. As if someone has to always “be the bigger person” and not be affected
@@risingsuperstarfrost3096 Yes! This pisses me off so much! I'm white and from Texas, it's so fucking gross how the history I was taught in school deradicalizes activists like him to make their work more palettable for white people. They also act like MLK Jr was the only notable person advocating for equal rights 😒
Bruno insisting he doesn't see any racism happening is the epitome of "In every friend group there's one person who ____, and if you don't know that person, you *are* that person"
I'm trans, and have had many conversations with people that are very similar to Bruno in the sense that they just will not believe that discrimination exists, even if they see it first-hand. If you haven't experienced it for a prolonged period of time, you're way less likely to notice it and are way more likely to make excuses for it. Someone could walk up to blackface Bruno and call him every racial slur in the book and he would just say "well that's only one person" and continue on in his belief that there is no real issue at play. This isn't to say that people can't change - I've seen people like Bruno make a complete 180. This just isn't the way to do it.
Seeing Jarvis lose energy and just go quiet and get pissed made me so sad and angry. I was right there with him. Jordan really took the responsibility of being the comedic relief and I'm so grateful for that lol
@@derekhasabrain ikr its so sad but it makes a lot of sense hes probably had some sort of experience of racism in his life and it's so hard to see so many horrific racist comments in a show after going through such hard times about things you can't change it would be so mentally draining watching something so horrific for so long
Agreed. It’s so difficult to watch but it’s also important to know how stupid people are that they would do something like this. I’m fortunate to come from a very diverse hometown, but even there people didn’t really discuss race issues.
As a black person, i have experienced a lot of racism even in my short life so seeing it even more, and so directly thru TV and the media as a whole is honestly so exhausting. Its like watching a bad movie with a horrible ending, over and over again. At first your angry, your livid even, your sad, but after the 10th rerun, your numb to it and drained of all your energy.
5 stages of grief denial: "no there's no way that's actually what the show is" anger: "oh my god that is the show, how did this even happen?" bargaining: "ok but are there any redeeming qualities? like is the makeup..... well done? does it say something about society? maybe it will be interesting to walk in each others shoes, or skin colour in this case?" depression: "yeah this just sucks, why was it even made?" acceptance: "well I guess this is what I'm watching now."
What's funny is the guy said Rose sounded like someone from the Disney Channel, and she literally was a Disney Channel Movie Surfer. They had a whole segment about her going on this show. Lol He hit the nail right on the head.
The problem with Brian trying to teach Bruno about a subject he has personal experience with, is that Bruno is an idiot who thinks he's a genius, and you can't reason with people like that, because it's like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll just crap all over the board, and then strut around acting like they won.
Not that it wasn’t a worthy conversation to have, but I can’t believe the show spend that long discussing the word “bitch” when Bruno has dropped the n word this many times without reaction (or that they kept in the tv edit, anyway)… Everything about this is so fucking surreal.
I feel like this was poor editing, to make it seem like the mom was just a "stereotypical angry women" bc no way was she only talking about the bitch thing when the whole conversation started because carly called black people creatures, and refered to them as a different species. I feel like she probably brought the "bitch incident" up in passing during the argument and carla decided to focus on that instead of everything else.
@@moren321 oh yeah I definitely agree, I also suspect it’s the editing that’s making it surreal (in addition to the wildly bad premise), sorry if it didn’t read like that. I’m in no way blaming the mom.
TBH I feel like the word bitch is more commonly used at black women in a bad way more than any other race. I’m a black man and I personally don’t use bitch unless it’s with my friends and It’s upsetting how much people just call black women out of their names all the time.
After watching the first episode, I assumed that they weren't censoring any words because it was probably an uncensored DVD release, but then this episode they bleep out "fucking" which bothers the hell out of me cause we have to listen to Bruno straight up saying the n-word a beyond uncomfortable number of times
Idk why that bothers anybody considering they didn't censor shit or other stuff other than one word. Its weird to see people discover tv censoring for the first time.
The conversation about eleven minutes in about Bruno not noticing prejudice because he doesn’t know to look for it rings true for my experience as a lesbian when I’m with a girlfriend who before me has mostly dated guys. When we hold hands in public she puts us in dangerous situations because she doesn’t expect an issue and whilst yes, no approaches us, I see the guy watching us, I see the parents crossing the road with their kids, I hear the group of women muttering under their breath. Being an out (and obviously butch) lesbian I have decades of negative reactions from straight people. Just because Bruno doesn’t experience direct prejudice in one interaction at a business doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Even if people believe his terrible makeup and think he’s a black man, he’s clearly middle class and middle aged, he hasn’t experienced systemic prejudice his whole life. He’s had all the opportunities so he goes in with good credit and confidence and nothing that would effect him going into a car dealership.
I know this comment is a year old but I felt this. I've dated women my whole life and now have a boyfriend and it feels so odd 1.) Noticing how much differently I'm talked to, men always talk to my boyfriend first , versus when I dated women I wasn't talked to very much. 2.) It feels so weird being assumed straight all the time now. It feels alienating and I feel like I'm not taken seriously even though I've identified as a lesbian up until my current boyfriend. When I identified as a lesbian and had a girlfriend we had to constantly deal with being assumed to be sisters and getting quizzical looks when we said we were dating, having men sexualizd us, weird threeesome jokes, people crossing the street when we were holding hands, cat calling, and even people yelling at us from their cars :/
Carmen is completely unhinged in that final scene with the poetry kids. I have never screamed “WHAT?!” at my phone screen with such frequency and fervor
Oh my god i read your comment as she started speaking and I was NOT prepared for the audacity of this woman. I audibly gasped when she asked if the guy was gay lmfao, and it just got worse 😭
i absolutely love nick's outlook tbh. hes not code switching bc he doesnt want to and he shouldnt have to despite what is expected. that and ironically-particularly in 2006-him "sounding black" while looking white would definitely be something that nonblack 16 year olds would think is cool but if he did it while black he'd def be ostracized by the same people. anyways i always admire when a young marginalized person recognizes that they deserve respect and autonomy regardless of their environment. im not black but even as a disabled mixed native, it came to me after adulthood that i shouldnt keep polishing my language and appearance to earn respect bc respect should be the default.
As a mixed raced person who was "too black" for the white communities I grew up in without being treated like some exotic bird and "too white" for black communities without being grouped out, this show is a new level of frustrating smh. Bruno constantly gaslighting the black family by telling them their struggled are miniscule or not real? Disgusting. Makes my blood boil. The "well-meaning complimentary" comments that Carmen throws out like the "beautiful creatures" thing? The fuck is that? And Carmen's overly nice sugar-coated racism is the fucking worst and hits me the hardest, because I've had to grow up with that. I still live with that. As a mixed race person, I'm CONSTANTLY fetishized. Its disgusting and dehumanizing. Even from the time a was a fucking child. Its always focusing on my "exotic black features on a perfect white frame." Fucking disgusting. This show is impossible to watch and yet I can't stop watching these.
YES! FR. LIKE IM "LIGHTSKIN" AND ITS LIKE U YOU'RE OWN BREED OR SUM. Though I did find comfort in my Dark skin uncle's saying, "They (other niggas) gonna give u shit about having white in you, so just say, I'm black, I just have vanilla in me" 😂
i was about to ask u if the quotes were real like did someone actually say this to you ?????? and I suddenly was hit w the exact kind of person u mean and I wanted to vomit bro. that shit actually is disgusting I'm jus asian mixed but like ive seen that shit a lot jus on the internet for years now and it's so fucking weird, like u aren't an alien bro lmao
honestly, as a woman of color, I would be BEYOND upset if someone I didn't know very well even tried to call me a bitch. Especially playfully. like you don't know me like that??? like excuse me??? This show is wild.
I'm white, and I find it upsetting too whenever someone calls me a bitch. I think Renee is absolutely right in that Carmen would not have called her that if she was white, because it is a sexist slur, and her use of it just kind of demonstrates her lack of respect for black women, not being able to understand that the word isn't any less hurtful for black women than it is to white women.
Personally, i disagree, in the uk people call each other that all the time playfully or light heartedly. I understand it's different in different places but in my experience no one would really be able to get offended over it. It's just a light word. I don't like it either! But people say it all the time so I doubt she meant it in an overtly offensive way. Idk tho
@@lyrielswaine7466 I think you missed the part where they aren't friends and I literally said in my original comment "if someone I didn't know very well". it is one thing to joke around with your friends. but this WAS NOT THAT
Show Runners: "Renee, you go have a potentially traumatic experience as a black woman in a white neighborhood with a lot of red flags. Meanwhile, Carmen, would you like to enjoy yourself fetishizing black culture?"
i had to keep pausing during this stream to not be angry, but carmen calling someone a creature or just asking straight out someones sexuality - especially since in one of his poems chad said how much it hurts to just be perceived as gay without no one getting to know him - hit me so hard i felt physically ill. i think brunos usage of the n-word doesnt hit as hard because honestly, i expected it. of course, some white guy would be excited to get a “pass” to say a word they cant use, but carmens just so ignorant and unapologetic, has the nerve to *cry* after calling someone out of their name and claims to be involved in the civil rights movement yet has no tact whatsoever. neither of those parents are going to learn anything from this, and their preconceptions about black people are just “angry over the dead past” are just further enforced since they wont even listen to what the family is trying to educate them on. i get why renee says shes over it; people who are born stupid die stupid, and if someones unwilling to change, they wont. bruno walked in saying racism doesnt exist. carmen walked in thinking shes so “radical” with her civil rights background and is on the defensive immediately when thats challenged.
Like just I had hopes for Carmen but then just no no no. At least Rose realized what she was doing was wrong but still this whole show should’ve never existed.
Absolutely agree, but I gotta say that dude’s gay poem was not the best, either. Carmen shouldn’t have asked his sexuality, she is clearly just the biggest asshole as you said. But using slurs and then explicitly clarifying he doesn’t belong to the group that would make it okay to use said slurs… I get that 2006 was a different time, but not a good look. This is just “insert your prejudice” the show
When she called Renee obnoxious for not wanting to be called a bitch I lost hope for her, then she started crying and it’s like… why are you crying and the women you disrespected isn’t even crying, she wanted someone to reassure her that what she did was okay and when they didn’t she tried to cry to get sympathy
when you were shocked at the response to "what is the neighborhood like' that is literally how all of the people in my neghboorhood describe it to others and its crazy how nobody sees a problem with saying that! i hear my area being described as being a "good white area" to anybody that asks smh
Bruno has the most obvious lying voice I’ve ever heard lol. He’s almost yelling all the time but then the second he starts lying he drops his voice to the point where he’s almost whispering. It’s hilarious. It happens the second he starts talking about “Scott”.
That talk about assimilation with the guy in the bar is so scary. I'm a white Australian and just rings alarm bells considering we had the White Australia Policy til the early 70's which was all about taking Aboriginals from their culture and giving them more "benefits" the more they assimilate. They lost family and culture due to this, very sad to see people saying that shit still in the 2000's.
Same stuff was done in the US with Native Americans and immigrants. There were assimilation schools, and Natives were given giant amounts of land and other benefits (not talking about reservations btw) for electing to go to said schools. That is if they were even given the choice. Absolutely disgusting.
@@thedestroyasystem “kill the Indian not the man” was the official 20th century US Native American policy. You’ll see that quote a lot when you research this horror. Assimilation isn’t just an assumption
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Jordan’s jokes go under-appreciated lmao
“Bruno momento”
I thought I was the only one who heard it 😂😂😂
I caught that too
Had the same comment, I was really enjoying his off the cuff side comments
It's kind of sad seeing Rose know what they're doing is messed up, but she doesn't feel comfortable fully speaking out about it because all the adults involved see no issues with it.
Honestly I feel so bad for the kids in this situation just oh my poor rose was having a crisis the whole time.
I completely agree, and it's messed up having a minor take part in this kind of stuff because it can follow her around for the rest of her life, even though she's clearly uncomfortable with it.
on the other hand
according to wikipedia
this is a TV family
so they are not related and it was her choice to participate
@@Mrsemir100 The mom is Rose’s actual mother. Bruno isn’t her father, but he was Carmen’s boyfriend at the time.
@@Mrsemir100 Rose was a minor, its not ultimately her choice to participate whoever her mother is.
Also as Ray K pointed out, they're as much of a "real" family as many others. Single mother and live in boyfriend of multiple years. If that's a "tv family" then like 20-30% of american households with a kid are.
bruno = saying racism does not exist while actively being racist
right? like "when's someone gonna walk up to me and say *n word*" BRUH UR THE ONE DOING THAT RN
Turbo is getting huge angry white dad energy from Bruno.
@@GnarlyRaePepsi Kris agrees with Turbo
Like cis men saying they have never had a problem running out of tampons, when that’s something they would never have an issue with in the 1st place.
Bruno is the kinda guy to think racism is illegal and therefore he's not racist because he hasn't been arrested
Chad did a whole poem about people assuming his sexuality based off of stereotypes and then Carmen IMMEDIATELY proved his fucking point the first time she met him
LMFAOOO
Carmen's "appreciation" of the clothes, culture etc. is so far over the line into fetishization. She's just DYING to play-act this cartoonish version of what she thinks a Black person is, despite the literal Black person right there trying to correct her. As infuriatingly awful as Bruno is, she creeps me out more.
On another note, I literally choked when Jordan said "is this the slam poetry equivalent of a lap dance" 😂
Okay I commented BEFORE she got up to speak to the poetry group- WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS LADY?!!
Yeahhh. I wanna add onto that with the way she feels VERY manipulative. Like, she would cry and get upset instead of talking through situations and problems. Bruno is just blatantly, obliviously, and stupidly Blind to racism. She on the other hand refuses to take any blame and apologize when she’s in the wrong even if she knows she’s not in the right.
@@CarGoVroom1589 bruno does the same thing at the end of the clip
bruno is very blatant racist, kinda reminds me of my mom, but carmen feels a lot like the family in get out
i’m never gonna get over how white bruno still looks even in the makeup. like it’s so obviously blackface. like there’s no way there wasn’t at least a single person who saw him and didn’t think “that is a white man dipped in paint”
I thought he was a Jersey Shore reject in the thumbnails. No way anyone who encountered him thought he was black.
He just looks like he has a bad tan and I think that's def affecting the validity of the experiment (which is dumb, don't get me wrong!! but if you're gonna do it, do it right and get amazing makeup artists who can really transform someone)
I agree, I'm surprised they didn't push further, at least give him a beard or something
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT MAN. he just looks like a slightly sunburned white person standing in the shadow nfiendkr lmao
he legit looks like my (white) dad
bruno wouldnt be able to tell if people were being racist towards him without them flat out calling him slurs because he also believes racist ideas and rhetoric. subtle changes in treatment and microaggressions directed at him while in blackface are not going to seem uncalled for or like racism to him
THIS. THIS IS THE MOST FACTS THING I'VE EVER READ. Bruno is so stuck in racist ideas that the microaggressions he'll be experiencing will just seem totally normal and commonplace to him. Only if someone were to outwardly use a slur or assault him because of his blackface would he understand that racism exists, and even then, he'd just say that person was extreme and hateful, or that racism only exists in extreme forms and all the microaggressions still don't exist. I've lost hope for him because it's these kinds of people that refuse to be educated because they're so privileged they literally don't get it.
Exactly!
I also think this could be combined with the fact that his blackface makeup just looks like a tan that went too far. I'm assuming that's what the other people that see him are thinking as well.
exactly! if you dont see how you behave as racist, how can you see racism directed at you in the same way?
@@derekhasabrain I literally stop being friends with 2 people because of this, I tried to tell them that racism isn’t just hate crime etc but they wouldn’t believe me and they tried to tell me a **black women** that I didn’t understand racism-
This show is genuinely one of the most interesting but very stressful shows I’ve ever sat through 😭
It's impressive you were able to sit-throw it though. I didn't even know that was possible.
I had to take breaks it was PAINFUL
I agree 😭😆
*through
The modeling show was also terrible to watch lol
Exactly, it hurts /so much/ but I can't look away...
Carmen’s poem explains a lot about why Rose was so excited to have friends - all her attempts at friendship never make it past meeting her mom
I genuinely feel so bad for her
Boom! 🎤
I love how Bruno thinks that no black man has ever gone through life pleasantly and with a positive attitude and that's why the myth of racism is still a thing
Like, he has one friend he plays ball with that, to their knowledge, hasn't dealt with a lot of racism...and immediately believes it doesn't exist
@@damienearl8302it’s so ridiculous 💀 how can you look into the past and see that only about 200 years ago black people were literally enslaved and sold as product and seriously not even consider that racism still exists
The irony of the black family still having to experience racism in white makeup and the white family being blinded by their privilege even in black makeup is insane. I know it’s the point, but it’s just so disheartening and awful to see so constantly.
well said
They could have gone to “white” places in their “black” makeup and experienced that but no
Even if Bruno had gone to that bar with that crazy racist he wouldn’t have noticed the racism because he IS that crazy racist guy 🙄🙄🙄 “what’s the racial makeup of this community” like, if Brian had walked into the bar in his whiteface and Bruno had been the guy sitting there that exchange would be no different
Tbh I wanted to throw something at the white man and women. She really was crying, like white tears really are a powerful tool.
This show is straight lies!! And these dudes should know this, doing a commentary on this, with out doing any research, either they are terrible at what they do or the want to instigate the masses and trigger hate. These are the people that claim to be for equality when the instigate more hate and more racism. They are exactly what they claim to hate. Film actor (referred to here as a teacher) Bruno Marcotulli portrays Bruno Wurgel; his purported girlfriend Carmen, and her daughter Rose Bloomfield (a child actor who starred on the Disney television show Movie Surfers, until she quit shortly after being cast in Black. White.). The white family in black face are all paid actors. Do your research, don’t fall victim to false information.
Someone said “TW: Bruno” in the chat and I am cackling at how accurate that is
Lmao
I feel like the disconnect is because the black family was going into white spaces and were able to see the tangible difference in how they are treated as white, while the white family was just experiencing black culture for the first time
It could have been more impactful if they attempted to do the same activities as the opposite race. Like the faux Black family experiencing being Black at a country club.
Right? As if it’s just something new and almost “fun” whereas the black family experienced indirect racism in the same spaces but the racism was more candid because the white ppl were in a “safe” space. They made the black family out like a spectacle and like they made things a bigger deal than they really are. The white family should’ve listened to a historian, survivor, economist, etc regarding black experiences and the systems put in place to keep whites separate and “safe”.
Bruno: "I'm gonna be courteous to people around me. It's not about race."
Also Bruno: *says the N word at the dinner table with a family of black people*
By people he meant white people because he doesn't see other people as people
By people he meant white people because he doesn't see other people as people
He's so fucking insane 🙈
Bruno’s going to go out in white face and say, ‘hey, my n-‘ and get pulverized. And I am here for it.
3:05:03 The way the show is turning Renee being mad at Carmen for objectifying a room full of black people into a personal squabble from earlier in the episode is really telling. Whenever a black character gets justifiably upset they frame it like they're just trying to personally attack the person they have an issue with.
If Bruno’s karma isn’t getting hit by a bus or a falling piano, it’s not fitting. What an ignorant, emotionally manipulative, and infuriatingly horrid person. “Go at racism with an open heart,” says the racist as he’s being racist and denying the life experience of who he’s being racist to.
its so infuriating. like no shit youre not seeing racism. while black people have been trained to see certain things as warning signs,, youve been trained to see it as "just how the world works".
i cannot understand this shit. im white and was raised by someone even more racist than Bruno- even as a small child i realized my dad is stupid just by people watching. im autistic, which means i struggle a lot with social cues, body language, etc. and even i can tell how white people treat black people differently.
if he actually gave a shit or had common sense, he would be using this opportunity to ask questions. like he shouldve been asking "why does that word hurt you so bad?" instead of just telling them "idk why that word bothers you so bad, see look it doesnt hurt me while im cosplaying as you. why are yall so sensitive???"
@@somedude172 i 100%%% agree with your comment!! Its so horrible to see so many people in the world not understand how poorly people of colour can be treated, thank you for being considerate and treating people of colour how they should he treated, with compassion and love like how you should treat any other person in the world
I’m from a pretty diverse hometown, but nobody really discussed this stuff (granted I also didn’t have any friends cuz I’m a weird nerd). As frustrating as the show is to watch, I do like listening to Jarvis and Jordan’s commentary. I’m white, and I obviously haven’t experienced this stuff firsthand. Hearing their perspectives on the very specific things is informative.
@@somedude172 exactly this
I’m hoping for a botched heart surgery, just for the poetic justice
"Yes, there's more!" quickly giving way to "Oh no, there's more..."
Lol seriously I was like yes more content to holy there’s 3 hours worth of racist cringe in like .2 seconds
"Oh my god there's more!" "Oh God there's more"
This show is honestly, WAY too long. Hasan reacted to the entire season a few months ago. I can’t believe I watched all of it, it actually ends up getting repetitive/redundant and in the end it’s like.. well I won’t “spoil” it, but it won’t surprise you.
I too said oh no outloud before excitedly clicking
Thats exactly what my thought process was as I clicked on this video too just remembering the last ep
Bruno thinking that asking a racist "why do you want to call me such a harmfully racially charged word 🥺" is going to make them rethink their entire being and suddenly stop them being bigoted is the peak ignorancy of the white saviour complex
literally sounds like he's expecting them to go into a long, heart-felt monologue about their life experiences that lead them to being racist only for them to realise "oh no!!! I'm racist because of 'trauma' and now I am just going to Not be racist any more!"
it's usually not that deep bruno... usually it's just because they don't care to listen or learn and probably think they're egdy for doing so...
also gives me "racist sympathiser" vibes ngl but yknow
@@Gxylord "I wanted to get a reaction out of you...but maybe the reaction I truly needed was just patience and kindness all along" cue claps from the live studio audience
literally sounds like what a teacher tells you when you're getting bullied like "just ignore them and be the bigger person
@@okokbuthearmeout... what
Bruno thinks he is the star of a Dhar Mann video
16:48 I don’t know if it was edited to look like that, but Renee’s initial smile at hearing Rose talk about the poetry group is the best thing to come out of this show.
i feel terrible for the kids. the boy is taking it like the joke it is, good for him, but rose is actually having her views of the world being turned upside down and she's trying to keep up with it and learn, but it's gotta be rough. the way she agreed with renee ("i know!") when renee said: i wouldn't have called YOU bad names regardless of the situation; to carmen. and not to mention the whole poetry group thing. like. the kid's trying. but watching her parents (i guess it's been mentioned that bruno isn't her dad but he's still an adult figure in her life) react so poorly to everything is probably very confusing too
I think what sold that idea for me, in the case of Nick, was when he said he just wants to pass...nothing else, just that
I genuinely feel like he didn't even want to be there, and was just trying to get out of it what he could
Genuinely think Bruno wants someone to be racist so he can yell at the person and be a hero. It’s a hero complex. He’s the dude who fantasizes about saving someone from being assaulted without questioning why he’s fantasizing about people being assaulted.
he also clearly believes that modern racism is ONLY slurs, with nothing more subtle than that
@@iwakeupandboomimarat This dude has no self awareness so of course he wouldn't be able to read between the lines
If he were to be called a slur, he'd be glad so he could go off on his racist rant "if you don't give the words power they won't affect you, see, I was called the n-slur and I didn't mind so clearly it isn't a problem"
he doesn’t believe racism is real but yet he was being racist😭
I'm pretty sure in the first episode, he was basically like:
"If someone comes up to me and calls me a slur, and that *will* happen, I'll be able to mentally spar with them"
He basically just made a promise and is so desperate to make it come true that he's just *asking* for it to happen
The bullshit Bruno was saying about how "they could just be having a bad day" or "you're reading too much into it" are the exact same things Ive heard to invalidate my experiences of sexual harrasment and transphobia.
no literally same, th ammount of times cis friends have said that somebody treating me differently as a visible trans woman is a coincidence or that i was making shit up is so frequent and upsetting
Reminds me of the guy who killed 6 asian people over "having a bad day". These talking points have been used for generations it is so sad.
Like that's even an excuse! "I felt bad so I wanted to make you feel even worse and I insulted and harassed you for no reason" shouldn't be acceptable explanation in ANY situation, no matter who the participants are.
The amount of times that I've experienced homophobia and my straight friends try to excuse it is insane
@@serenityfreeman5906 those aren’t friends then
As a white person, I don't have to "put joy out in to the world," come in with "love" and an "open heart." I can be a grouchy b!tch all I want. Yell at service people, etc. And never have to deal with the shit that black people gave to deal with. Even if it WERE true that being "nice" or "acting white" could protect POC from racism, as Bruno is suggesting, nobody should HAVE TO act happy and put love into the world everywhere they go. What if your grandma just died this morning? What if you're mentally ill and you have a public meltdown? POC should be entitled to the same safety that white people have regardless of their attitude or mood.
Yup and she thinks it's so easy to act however she thinks black people act because she fetishizes the idea of misbehaving as a black person
Bruno's problem is that his "version" of racism is the racism from the 5o's where is was acceptable to have segregation and call people colored etc. He has this almost fantasized and extreme version of what racism looks like and how it is experienced. Racism has not gone away, it has become more insidious and that is what Bruno doesn't understand. No one is going to yell at him for drinking at the same water fountain or sitting at a diner when he is in black face. It's going to be a lot less obvious than that and that affects how you live and react to life. It's using your middle name instead of your first on your resume to just get invited to interview for the job so you're not overlooked.
Like, he straight up thinks that he'll just be walking to the store, and someone's gonna run up and call him a slur out of the blue
Once I went out to eat with a black friend of mine. We sat at a table for thirty minutes and the server didn't so much as look at us, but gave quick and courteous service to the white family sitting next to us. No one said a word as we got up and left the restaurant. Why do I get the feeling that if this happened to Bruno, he'd still be making bullshit excuses and trying to say racism doesn't exist?
"It's just a coincidence, you're over exaggerating!" - Bruno, probably
He'd probably say that you walked in wrong, and was rude
You KNOW Bruno said “hey white man” thinking that Brian would call Bruno his favourite word
I swear Bruno cant live without hearing or saying that word every 2 minutes 😑
Omg I didn't even think about this.. YIKES
The truth of that made me feel deeply dirty inside.
Man why couldn't they just have Rose go to the poetry group as herself, she could've still made black friends and learned from their experiences WITHOUT putting both herself and everyone else in this incredibly awkward situation where she's deceived them
And the thing that made it so hard was her being so uncomfortable and feeling like she couldn't be herself or express herself properly because the show put her in blackface im not trying to say she's not in the wrong but you can see she just feels so guilty and wants to be herself and stop lying to these people she genuinely wants to be friends with
the problem is that they set her up for failure from the very start because this was an all-black slam poetry group, so she wouldn't be allowed to go without blackface on.
@@starchippp What I'm saying is they should've just found a black poetry group that was willing to let a white girl sit in with them for a few sessions for the show and just been open from the beginning
@@fyrefrost1898 i agree, but that wouldnt be nearly problematic enough for this show. they gotta go full on invasion of black people's safe spaces and making them afraid and betrayed :)
And to make things worse, her mom just offended the entire poetry group
the fact that bruno keeps talking over brian and shutting him down while he tries to speak about his actual experiences with racism is proof enough that racism exists. god i can't believe i even have to say that.
“Racism doesn’t exist-“actu”-stfu my voice is more important than you *proceeds to say n word*
Welcome back to another episode of A White Man Tells A Black Man What Racism Is.
Bruno is composed of so many layers of racial bias. He’s like a racist lasagna.
@@shamblesinshambles why is this such an accurate analogy? Lol
You’re so right But if you pointed this out to a guy like Bruno his brain would malfunction like “but- I don’t actively want all black people dead. So it *cant* be racism. I just want all black people to be ideal citizens and conform to my culture 100% but I’m not *racist*”
Seeing another culture’s clothing as a way to be “outrageous” is literally why it’s cultural appropriation. You don’t want to learn or adopt anything that comes with it, you just want to play dress up.
Rose telling them she’s white was just a….weird scene overall cause most people were super immediately accepting about it (probably because of the cameras) when shes *literally* in blackface and hasn’t even explained why she is and is doing the whole “this is hard for me too” guilt trip, and chad has every reason to actually be angry at her. but at the same time i did feel a tiny bit sympathetic from the outside perspective of ACTUALLY knowing that she most likely had no choice in being on this show, and has talked multiple times prior about how bad she feels lying to these people and being in their safe space as someone she is not. so obviously its going to be stressful for her if she feels a connection with all these kids and knows she’s betrayed their trust and was basically forced into doing so…. but why the hell didnt she lead with like “i was asked to be in this slam poetry group as part of this show” and explain the full thing instead of just being like “i’m a white girl in blackface who has been lying to you and this is hard on me, any questions or comments?” and SERIOUSLY why are people so chill about it?
Tbh I don't think she even fully processes that she didn't do this by choice. Like even while she is describing crying every day & talking about the crippling guilt that she has in participating in this, she phrases it as if she *chose* to do this. I wouldn't be surprised if the cognitive dissonance she has in thinking she had a choice vs. feeling forced to do all these bad things made the entire experience all that more confusing and upsetting for her. Like I feel like 90% of Rose's part in the show is watching her hate herself and her complicity in everything that's happening, even though again she had no choice & was pressured by her mom and the show into joining the poetry club and doing this show in the first place.
To play devils advocate, she might have though that trying to give excuses would just be more disingenuous than just saying “I’m sorry and I regret betraying you”. People talk lol the time bout how excuses are worthless and don’t absolve you at all, so even if she gave her reasons, she might have thought it would be pointless to explain herself in that moment. I feel bad for her bc she was a minor and doesn’t have much say in life as such, even if she was almost 18, it doesn’t matter, she wasn’t 18. So what her parents tell her to do is what she has to do. She couldn’t legally sign the contract, her parents did that. I can’t blame her for feeling the way she did, or the other kids for their feelings.
People shouldn’t put minors in these situations to begin with :( they can’t actually say no…. They barely know how to navigate basic social situations as it is. Nvm something so awful being pushed on them by parents wanting a reality Tv check.
@@esaelisa423 yeah 100%. She couldn’t agree to this at her age. The age of consent is set to 18 because we know kids struggle with understanding what they’re really consenting to and blame themselves. Even then 18 is very young. She had no control in her situation, her parents did, but she was left to blame herself. It sucks. Yeah it was wrong but we can’t really say she was able to make a clear choice, esp since she clearly resented the whole situation the entire time.
It's also possible the show forbid her from saying the show made her do it
Let's play: how far can I make it through this episode before the white family makes me cringe so hard that I die
How’s it going so far
@@user-insert-numbers-letters they died 💔🪦 white family cringe claimed another life🙁
Bruno gets on screen and I’m already cringing inside of my chair
@@user-insert-numbers-letters had to take a break at the 11 minute mark, but I'm back now to power through till the end!
it’s been 3 hours.. did you do it?
Bruno's friend Scott is not a real human who exists.
Hey all, scott here. Im not real.
Plot twist: Scott is Michael Scott not just scott
I imagine he is real and is a major critic of racism and a very active civil rights advocate but Bruno just glazes over whenever he talks and fills in what he thinks Scott said
@@MrHendrix17 Yeah. That actually sounds at least as likely
"I have a close personal friend, he's quite black. He's very tall and very good at basketball."
Bruno trying to “prove his point” by asking people questions publicly. Yes bc everyone will answer honestly when there’s a camera
"Are you a racist?"
"No"
"Understandable, have a nice day"
I've noticed that most if not all of the experiences this show puts the white family through are positive; The mom gets to experience a church service, the daughter is invited to a poetry group, etc. The only conflict they've faced so far is when the dad was hanging out with the black dad and they were avoided by passerby's--and even then the offense had to be pointed out by the black dad.
Meanwhile the black family is largely forced to engage with the racism of everyday society, none of which they had to be in white-makeup for and all of it they were already aware of. I don't understand why the segments are framed like this.
You could argue it's to introduce black culture and how it's similar to white society, but I think it just further disconnects the white family from the institutional racism of everyday, and removes their potential to even fully reckon with their own privilege, much less learn how to change. I guess unsurprisingly, the show feels like a self-righteous, vain attempt at explaining racism in the modern day.
Also who chose that wig for the white mom is a criminal and they will be hearing from a lawyer.
im indian and bruno triggered tf out, so much of what he says sounds just like shit my (much lighter) mom (who also lived in India majority of her life) would say to me when I’d talk about racism I’d experience growing up as a minority in America. “I’m looking for something to be mad about” “You’re interpreting it wrong” “Why give those words so much power” are words I hear whenever I dare to rant to my mom hoping she’d give me some kind of comfort. Growing up as very clearly brown and “other” in a white school, neighborhood, and society is something she can’t understand. So when u grow up as “other” you notice small ways people treat you differently, and yeah, you actively keep note of them to make sure you’re safe, and just painting ur face dark isn’t nearly enough to understand that. One of Bruno’s problems is that he doesn’t understand that racism isn’t always overt, that mor often than not, its covert.
Bruno talks about racism like it’s an edible that hasn’t kicked in yet lmao
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!!
i.e.: "I'm waiting for this experience to happen and you keep saying it's gonna happen but I've been here a while and it hasn't happened."
@@TibsisTops and once it kicked in he'd still be saying nothing happened because he expected to witness the entire universe open itself up instead of just feeling the buzz.
"This racism ain't shit."
17 MINUTES LATER
"W H O A"
yessss, that was my immediate thought too. i was really laughing bc i'm like "man when it kicks in he's gonna fuckin die"
Racism the ultimate drug
Dying at the no homo poem
He stood up and just went, “I’m straight, thanks for your time”
Bruno just called someone's spiritual community a pep rally. That's devaluing and infantilizing black people who express religious devotion in a way Bruno's not used to. Honestly it's disrespectful
What does pep rally means? I'm bad at englishing sorry
@@zaspo_sapin7620 a pep rally is an assembly at schools before a game where cheerleaders and other students and staff try to get the student assembly excited and pumped for the game.
@@noahmurphygordon1928 it’s not just for games it can be for other stuff too but ur right
As a literal SA victim, I've heard brunos spirituality rant way too many times by everyone around me, even with my depression and anxiety I've been given that same talk. How hard is it to just shut your mouth and empathize with another human being's pain? Maybe I'm a regular human with emotional maturity, but I feel like it shouldn't be hard to understand that just because you haven't experienced something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
this is exactly right. Mental illness and trauma is always regarded by others as a problem for themselves, whether they realize it themselves. It's the same with aot of other things. I'm so sorry you had to go through that, stay strong love.
@halffacedbone2998 thank you, i think people who haven't been through trauma, or harder issues to face, have a hard time understanding it, but even with people who have been through it, in society there's this notion that if you don't ever show struggle, and if you magically decide to be okay, you're strong, and anyone who doesnt is choosing to be that way. It's insane.
I think we're that idea comes from, is cognitive dissonance. People want to believe if they do everything right, they won't suffer. Suffering is a huge part of life. They just don't want to believe that
Why have I never heard a manager talk that way about a white girl’s bad attitude? They always have some story about an “angry black woman” but I’ve never once heard one about a white, female worker.
meanwhile karen’s exist
This is bs lol.
I think it's really poetic that that kid came out as straight in the poetry group and then Rose came out as white
solidairty....
Wait when? (The straight part)
@@zaspo_sapin7620 don't got a time stamp but the kid went "some people call me [gay slur] and I want then to know I am most certainly not, and I hate that" or something similar in the first poetry session
Well it is poetry group. Very appropriate.
a beautiful and diverse friend group /j
I'm disgusted and horrified by the poetry class situation. They allowed her into their safe space and bared their souls in front of her. The betrayal of trust there is just vile.
I only understand that to a point. Just because she is white doesn't make her any less human and to say she betrayed them is just blaming someone else that probably got roped into this
@@whatif3271 is this bruno? Maybe stfu
i think they all knew a camera crew was in there and signed release forms so it's not like, QUITE as extreme as it would be if she were just anonymously slipping into a class
i kinda wonder if everyone just knew the whole time, like it feels impossible that they didn't
@@thomasstone3480 I can't imagine that every single person involved in this show wasn't in on it.
@@shadowbunny7892 yeah like the people at the bar probably didn’t sign anything
this show is like a car accident, its so incredibly awful but you cant look away
my heart does ache for rose being raised like that, trying to do right but just being so ignorant and forced to do blackface when it obviously wrecks her heart if shes crying twice a day. i hope now shes older she learnt to reorientate her language to center it less on her and more on the people shes listening to
It's interesting to see Rose notice that it's more than just his skin tone that makes Nick black. It's an entirely different culture. She even picked up that he uses AAVE and that that was contributing to ppl still treating him differently
I kept trying to figure out why everything the white couple did was so offensive, outside of the obvious, and it finally hit me.
They approach everything "black" with this whole thing of 'Look how fun this black thing is' like they are at a "black amusement park". They are treating this as a "black adventure" and not trying to honestly see what black people experience on a regular basis.
Like even just describing the church praise and worship as a "pep rally" and a "show" was so disrespectful to me.
The Wurgles are so overtly and covertly racist and refuse to see it.
That part
Beautifully put
They approach it like a vacation. It gives me postcolonialism vibes. But they also don't necessarily even believe they're going to experience anything traumatic or dangerous, especially Bruno.
This is beautifully put!!
You're right...it's still a problem so many people today have too. They're not looking at the racism & experiences blacks face on a daily basis, they just see the black lifestyle on the surface. They don't see the reasons why black people and lifestyle is the way it is. The Wurgles are a family who asks "Why are black people living in ghettos?" then deny anything about racialized poverty.
The bits where Brian is interacting with the racists at the bar reminds me of being around groups of men as a closeted trans woman before I came out. Hearing what men say when they think there are no women around while BEING a woman is... a trip
Wait really? What kinda stuff do they say???
Trans rights!
Girl yes ! I thought of hearing guys at work shit talk trans people while I, a trans guy am right there. But they don't know I'm trans. Dead inside and couldn't get out of there fast enough
@@wovensystem1782 embarassing, you sound like the white people in this show
@Zuzanna Rey ime they don't even censor themselves even in front of women. most are quite happy to talk about their weird fantasies in front of any captive audience. men say they don't know any men who would sexually harass women, and women say they've never heard the "locker room" talk, but really neither is true; men play off what other men say as "just jokes" so they don't think it's real, and women who say this stuff just don't really put themselves in situations where they're the only woman in the room, but if they do (or if they happen to be by circumstance, like at work or something) then they'll hear the same stuff, or they'll hear the way men talk about their exes or women they were into in the past and it's just as bad
it's like the scene in the bar where that guy just sat there going on about his racist ideas to a Black person that's right in front of him, except even more common
My bf has EDS, which is represented as a zebra, because of the saying they teach doctors, "when you hear hooves, expect horse, not zebra" indicating that rare symptoms should be more often attributed to more common ailments, which for people with rare conditions like EDS often leads to years of misdiagnosis and pain. So everytime I hear "if you're a zebra, better rep your stripes" I chuckle thinking about EDS pride. Needless to say we have a lot of zebra stripe things in this house lol.
Hypermobile Squad, checking in!
EDs is terrible, and like you said, it's hard to get a diagnosis; what makes it even harder is that for mild cases, symptoms can be very random in their presentation. One day, you're okayish, but then the next it takes everything you have to even get up to use the bathroom, let alone anything else.
One day at a time.
Love this 💜
Bruno trying to debate about whether or not racism exists is like every Joe Rogan episode
The thing about the "beautiful creature" comment Carmen makes is, she's a white woman. To her, this is a positive word. It's rarity; beauty; high value. A magnificent creature is regarded in awe. It's other but with a good connotation, and she's never had the experience of being othered, esp not in a negative way. So ofc to a POC (or anyone else with a bit more foresight, I guess), it's fkg weird to use the word "creature" to describe another human being. And she's telling on herself by constantly using other-ing language (talking about their appearance, always adding "black" to attributes unnecessarily), just straight up admitting that she sees them as Different first and foremost. Anyway Bruno and Carmen rly are made for each other or wtv :/
Watched Hasan watch the series and it gets much worse, she expects to be liked by all black strangers and shit. Acts like being around black communities is like a zoo too, feels threatened by the "foreign" nature of the situation. Expectations of black people to convince them of the racism and culture then talks over and basically "white-splain" shit. Times have changes a lot obviously, not enough but it is crazy that these people were probably the more progressive people for that time and area!
the most hilarious bit is she broke up with bruno after this, probably because she saw HIS racism and was grossed out like the rest of us.
@@jebbush6657 god, for as bad as she is, Bruno is just so much worse
So I love to Google shit and Carmen & Rose left him. But after finishing this shit show, I figure it's this. Bruno is a racist, Carmen was a racist. She was a participant in this and actually took something from it. Bruno is gross af.
@Maester Gryphon yeah cause single moms can still date people..? Bruno and Carmen probably could have met on a set or through mutuals before dating. that is something that frequently happens in the acting world tbh
Carmen going shopping with the other lady, completely ignoring her literally handing her clothes going “this would be good for you to wear to church” so she could grab daishiki and LITERALLY play dress up, only to come back and say “do you think they wear this at church?”
It’s all just too much. And then she’s gonna try and gaslight them about it when she was literally caught in 120p, I can’t deal. I wanna go back through compilations of Karen meltdowns from the past 3-5 years because I fully expect that she’s shown up and I haven’t noticed.
EDIT: NOT CARMEN DECIDING TO JUST TRY AND OUTDO HER HUSBAND IN FRONT OF HER KIDS POETRY GROUP HOLY SHIT
It's like they think it's a game or a tourist get away like.. fucking oof
“Caught in 120p” SENT me
@@lakenbiletski6823 i was just about to comment that ahaha
CAUGHT IN 120P
ALL she had to do was apologize for the cringe "yo bitch" but she fucking started crying😭
How has Bruno done a 180 from expecting someone to shout racial slurs at him to “racism doesn’t exist” ???
Because no one yelled racial slurs at him 🤦🏾♀️🤣
He didn’t expect it. He WANTED it, because he wanted to prove that he was a better black person than the actual black people. 🙄
Not expected, wanted
because he thinks the only racism that exists is slurs and doesn’t believe in subtle racism and microaggressions.
also he’s talking about how he would react to a slur if it happened to him but he is literally saying a slur in front of three black people and he didn’t get his ass beat and no one cussed him out. 🤦🏾♀️
@@danimoorehead I wish he would have someone in chat says he gets what’s coming to him and I hope he does
I get so nervous around big dogs because I have been actively attacked by two poorly trained ones (both german Shepards) so hearing about how much effort you’re putting into training Dipper and how considerate you are is so reassuring 😭💕 To note, all of the pitbulls I’ve ever had the pleasure of meeting were the most well-trained sweethearts
That "I'm not gay" poem is probably a response to people thinking he's gay because he doesn't to conform to their standards of masculinity.
Another thing about Bruno is he's like "If you don't let the word or the nasty stares offend you, then racism is solved."
Bruno, at the end of the day, thinks that racism is a perception thing because even if you turned the other cheek and "why'd you call me that? I'm not offended", the racist guy is still racist. Theres no amount of "mentally sparring" or whatever he called it that's gonna make him realize the error of his ways. And I don't imagine Bruno is a grandmaster debater or anything either way.
bruno would cry in a debate i think. or maybe i would debating bruno. i think he would be too much for me to handle calmly.
Bruno and his wife are insane narcissists.
@@batjackattack5556 Bruno in an actual debate would be like Schrödinger’s cat (idk if it makes sense here)
Either you cry because Bruno is … well Bruno or Bruno cries because he has never had a debate with someone in which they have literally prepared for every argument, every straw man that he can come up with and be able to precisely refute it.
@@boomerangswingsbothways that’s not Schrödinger's cat at all
We haven't even gotten to Bruno's comic book supervillain backstory about how he thinks white people have it bad because his black high school basketball teammates were mean to him
plot twist: he shouted the N word every time he attempted a 3 pointer
My mom has this kind of mentality. She's white, and Puerto Rican and didn't speak any English, and she grew up in the Bronx (her life was pretty much West Side Story. And she got bullied all the time as a kid by black people because she's white (or so she says). But that doesn't mean she has a free pass to be racist to black people. I try to tell her that all the time but she constantly uses the excuse that since black people can be racist that she doesn't have any obligation not to be racist. It's frustrating.
@@derekhasabrain yeah I know a lot of Asian people feel that same way but the difference there is that there actually are a lot of black people who are racist against asians, not justified though for obvious reasons
@@derekhasabrain I have a question and if it is insensitive please tell me but when you say white do you mean mixed race?
White people in this show: if I was black and someone called me n-word I would comport myself with the utmost dignity and show them why they were wrong and it would not hurt me at all!
Black people: here is why your language is hurtful.
White people: OMG YOU HAVE JUDGED ME UNFAIRLY, WHY DO YOU HATE ME FOR BEING WHITE 😭😭😭😭😭
this is actually incredibly saddening, watching the black man have to experience so much racism every moment of the show and have some random racist dude tell him "it's your fault, you're going around looking for it." i've only been alive for two decades and i've experienced an unbelievable amount of racism, and this was from the 2000s onwards - i can't imagine being born in his generation, living through american racism for decades and then trying to educate others (as misguided as this show was) only to have this vile stuff thrown at him relentlessly. bruno literally acts like it's his damn job to insult and invalidate black people.
also, it's really true that the whole argument of "if you walk around expecting racism and looking for it everywhere you go, then it's your fault for experiencing 'racism' and seeing it all the time. if you just ignore it and don't let it get to you it's not a problem at all" - that argument is pushed onto us by people of all races, including our own. it's nice to want an equal society and sure it can be difficult to watch racism happen all the time but it doesn't mean that we should just deny it exists. when i say to someone "these racist things are happening to me" the last thing anyone needs to say is "just ignore it, racism doesn't exist, you're making this up, you're asking for it." as if me putting on a brave face will prevent hate crimes from happening. they're going to call me the n-word regardless of my attitude about it.
@@Jade-fw6ni it's impossible to say what's the most aggravating aspect of this shitshow, but bruno's gaslighting is definitely something that lingers. to him racism is not an issue. so when bringing up racism you're creating an issue. like you're being difficult. like why can't you just be happy and complacent? racism's over, _you're_ the racist for going on about racism!
it's _THE_ white privilege mindset.
@@Jade-fw6ni The crazy part is how respectful the Black family was, despite having the N word thrown around, and their own experiences invalidated. It's honestly a testament to their strength, but also a sign of how used to this they are. You can tell they look dissapointed, but not surprised.
"what is the racial situation here in this city" is something I would expect as a dialog option in Skyrim
2:01:56 “We’ve got 11 minutes left of episode 2”. Meanwhile, more than an hour of reaction left. That’s the good stuff.
I just realized that Bruno looks exactly like burnt spongebob and I can’t unsee it
Omg
Oh fuck he does!
bruno reminds me of my mom, she’s absolutely convinced that if you’re just a nice person and don’t get upset with people for calling you a literal slur then you’ll solve racism
Maybe if your mom got off her high horse and asked people why they feel the way they do she might learn something.
I swear that generation wants people to respond kindly to getting slapped in the face with hate. As if someone has to always “be the bigger person” and not be affected
Just sit down and take it like a good second class citizen! Got it
It's like how they fetishize a dumbed-down, cucked version of MLK Jr that appeals to their fragility lmao
@@risingsuperstarfrost3096 Yes! This pisses me off so much! I'm white and from Texas, it's so fucking gross how the history I was taught in school deradicalizes activists like him to make their work more palettable for white people. They also act like MLK Jr was the only notable person advocating for equal rights 😒
Bruno insisting he doesn't see any racism happening is the epitome of "In every friend group there's one person who ____, and if you don't know that person, you *are* that person"
He’a the gay cousin of racism
I'm trans, and have had many conversations with people that are very similar to Bruno in the sense that they just will not believe that discrimination exists, even if they see it first-hand. If you haven't experienced it for a prolonged period of time, you're way less likely to notice it and are way more likely to make excuses for it. Someone could walk up to blackface Bruno and call him every racial slur in the book and he would just say "well that's only one person" and continue on in his belief that there is no real issue at play.
This isn't to say that people can't change - I've seen people like Bruno make a complete 180. This just isn't the way to do it.
of course youre trans Dave Strider
@@gam8ligant 🤠
Im nonbinary and autistic and i 100% agree
The way how this show censors "fuck" but they put hard R in the recap so we hear it extra times
I really love you and Jordan together. There's just this happy aura around you guys at all times.
The vibe is right
Happy Boyz
Yeah, I keep rewatching their collabs cause they’re so good. Like the 123Go! ones
All hail the overlord Zeffo
their collabs are so comforting
RUclips Faves.
The way the white parents are constantly lecturing the black parents is just so incredibly aggravating
Please continue this series it's painful but is needed. You guys are super funny. My anger turns into laughs 👌🏽
Yeah if Jarvis and Jordan weren't here I would have cringed into a hole in the ground and never came up
Seeing Jarvis lose energy and just go quiet and get pissed made me so sad and angry. I was right there with him. Jordan really took the responsibility of being the comedic relief and I'm so grateful for that lol
@@derekhasabrain ikr its so sad but it makes a lot of sense hes probably had some sort of experience of racism in his life and it's so hard to see so many horrific racist comments in a show after going through such hard times about things you can't change it would be so mentally draining watching something so horrific for so long
Agreed. It’s so difficult to watch but it’s also important to know how stupid people are that they would do something like this. I’m fortunate to come from a very diverse hometown, but even there people didn’t really discuss race issues.
As a black person, i have experienced a lot of racism even in my short life so seeing it even more, and so directly thru TV and the media as a whole is honestly so exhausting.
Its like watching a bad movie with a horrible ending, over and over again. At first your angry, your livid even, your sad, but after the 10th rerun, your numb to it and drained of all your energy.
5 stages of grief
denial: "no there's no way that's actually what the show is"
anger: "oh my god that is the show, how did this even happen?"
bargaining: "ok but are there any redeeming qualities? like is the makeup..... well done? does it say something about society? maybe it will be interesting to walk in each others shoes, or skin colour in this case?"
depression: "yeah this just sucks, why was it even made?"
acceptance: "well I guess this is what I'm watching now."
What's funny is the guy said Rose sounded like someone from the Disney Channel, and she literally was a Disney Channel Movie Surfer. They had a whole segment about her going on this show. Lol He hit the nail right on the head.
“Actually racism doesn’t exist” said with blackface on to black people trying to tell him that it does.
and after saying the n word multiple times
The problem with Brian trying to teach Bruno about a subject he has personal experience with, is that Bruno is an idiot who thinks he's a genius, and you can't reason with people like that, because it's like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll just crap all over the board, and then strut around acting like they won.
That simile is perfection.
This is actually beautiful
I wanna play chess with a pigeon now, just to see them strut around like they won.
With that simile please write a book. You have a good chance of making it enjoyable.
I'll say it again, I want a "where are they now" follow up to this show.
Cut to an antivax blue lives matter white family
the daughter has a Christian wellness podcast now I guess?
@@yawntyy noooo dammit
@@yawntyy wait really
Either in prison or in a leading position for the GOP
Y’all are about to blow my speakers with how much louder you guys are vs the show. I’m like a dj with the volume knob
"I am grateful to have been touched by all the children in this room"
I- I- I- I- I- I- VERY NEARLY DIED
I love how Bruno talks about the POC on the show having “preconceived notions” but he basically came into the show to prove that racism doesn’t exist
Not that it wasn’t a worthy conversation to have, but I can’t believe the show spend that long discussing the word “bitch” when Bruno has dropped the n word this many times without reaction (or that they kept in the tv edit, anyway)… Everything about this is so fucking surreal.
as if black women haven't been called "n-word bitch"🤦🏾♀️ doesn't make the n word any less bad
I feel like this was poor editing, to make it seem like the mom was just a "stereotypical angry women" bc no way was she only talking about the bitch thing when the whole conversation started because carly called black people creatures, and refered to them as a different species. I feel like she probably brought the "bitch incident" up in passing during the argument and carla decided to focus on that instead of everything else.
@@moren321 oh yeah I definitely agree, I also suspect it’s the editing that’s making it surreal (in addition to the wildly bad premise), sorry if it didn’t read like that. I’m in no way blaming the mom.
TBH I feel like the word bitch is more commonly used at black women in a bad way more than any other race. I’m a black man and I personally don’t use bitch unless it’s with my friends and It’s upsetting how much people just call black women out of their names all the time.
After watching the first episode, I assumed that they weren't censoring any words because it was probably an uncensored DVD release, but then this episode they bleep out "fucking" which bothers the hell out of me cause we have to listen to Bruno straight up saying the n-word a beyond uncomfortable number of times
hard r too, as Jordan said; bruno says it with a capital R
Idk why that bothers anybody considering they didn't censor shit or other stuff other than one word. Its weird to see people discover tv censoring for the first time.
@@whatif3271 okay but that doesn't make it any less strange that they felt it was necessary to censor fuck but not a slur
59:52 hearing that dipper was graduating from his puppy class was like a breath of fresh air
The conversation about eleven minutes in about Bruno not noticing prejudice because he doesn’t know to look for it rings true for my experience as a lesbian when I’m with a girlfriend who before me has mostly dated guys. When we hold hands in public she puts us in dangerous situations because she doesn’t expect an issue and whilst yes, no approaches us, I see the guy watching us, I see the parents crossing the road with their kids, I hear the group of women muttering under their breath. Being an out (and obviously butch) lesbian I have decades of negative reactions from straight people. Just because Bruno doesn’t experience direct prejudice in one interaction at a business doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Even if people believe his terrible makeup and think he’s a black man, he’s clearly middle class and middle aged, he hasn’t experienced systemic prejudice his whole life. He’s had all the opportunities so he goes in with good credit and confidence and nothing that would effect him going into a car dealership.
I know this comment is a year old but I felt this. I've dated women my whole life and now have a boyfriend and it feels so odd 1.) Noticing how much differently I'm talked to, men always talk to my boyfriend first , versus when I dated women I wasn't talked to very much. 2.) It feels so weird being assumed straight all the time now. It feels alienating and I feel like I'm not taken seriously even though I've identified as a lesbian up until my current boyfriend.
When I identified as a lesbian and had a girlfriend we had to constantly deal with being assumed to be sisters and getting quizzical looks when we said we were dating, having men sexualizd us, weird threeesome jokes, people crossing the street when we were holding hands, cat calling, and even people yelling at us from their cars :/
Man I love when white people explain racism to black people
Well, if we don't, then who will?
Totally fucking joking, by the way. I just had to say the whitest thing possible.
@@jeremydoerksen5988 It's whiter to explain you're joking. respect
But if we don't you might tell us some uncomfortable truths that we don't want to deal with.
Carmen is completely unhinged in that final scene with the poetry kids. I have never screamed “WHAT?!” at my phone screen with such frequency and fervor
I cannot imagine what it was like to actually be in the room for that
Oh my god i read your comment as she started speaking and I was NOT prepared for the audacity of this woman. I audibly gasped when she asked if the guy was gay lmfao, and it just got worse 😭
Do you remember where that was?
2:55:30
The white woman tears- that definitely made my blood boil
The deadliest weapon istg
Right I was like, oh now she's crying 🙄
Yooo that got me as pissed as everything Bruno did
i absolutely love nick's outlook tbh. hes not code switching bc he doesnt want to and he shouldnt have to despite what is expected. that and ironically-particularly in 2006-him "sounding black" while looking white would definitely be something that nonblack 16 year olds would think is cool but if he did it while black he'd def be ostracized by the same people. anyways i always admire when a young marginalized person recognizes that they deserve respect and autonomy regardless of their environment. im not black but even as a disabled mixed native, it came to me after adulthood that i shouldnt keep polishing my language and appearance to earn respect bc respect should be the default.
Imagine Jarvis almost didn’t record this stream thinking it would just be for Twitch only for this RUclips video to hit 1.7 million views 🎉
As a mixed raced person who was "too black" for the white communities I grew up in without being treated like some exotic bird and "too white" for black communities without being grouped out, this show is a new level of frustrating smh. Bruno constantly gaslighting the black family by telling them their struggled are miniscule or not real? Disgusting. Makes my blood boil. The "well-meaning complimentary" comments that Carmen throws out like the "beautiful creatures" thing? The fuck is that? And Carmen's overly nice sugar-coated racism is the fucking worst and hits me the hardest, because I've had to grow up with that. I still live with that. As a mixed race person, I'm CONSTANTLY fetishized. Its disgusting and dehumanizing. Even from the time a was a fucking child. Its always focusing on my "exotic black features on a perfect white frame." Fucking disgusting. This show is impossible to watch and yet I can't stop watching these.
YES! FR. LIKE IM "LIGHTSKIN" AND ITS LIKE U YOU'RE OWN BREED OR SUM. Though I did find comfort in my Dark skin uncle's saying, "They (other niggas) gonna give u shit about having white in you, so just say, I'm black, I just have vanilla in me" 😂
i was about to ask u if the quotes were real like did someone actually say this to you ?????? and I suddenly was hit w the exact kind of person u mean and I wanted to vomit bro. that shit actually is disgusting I'm jus asian mixed but like ive seen that shit a lot jus on the internet for years now and it's so fucking weird, like u aren't an alien bro lmao
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honestly, as a woman of color, I would be BEYOND upset if someone I didn't know very well even tried to call me a bitch. Especially playfully. like you don't know me like that??? like excuse me??? This show is wild.
I'm white and I wouldn't tolerate it. I think it's a manners and common sense thing rather than racism.
@@nicolemelo8994 carmen literally said she believed that to be how black people spoke, it is absolutely racism
I'm white, and I find it upsetting too whenever someone calls me a bitch. I think Renee is absolutely right in that Carmen would not have called her that if she was white, because it is a sexist slur, and her use of it just kind of demonstrates her lack of respect for black women, not being able to understand that the word isn't any less hurtful for black women than it is to white women.
Personally, i disagree, in the uk people call each other that all the time playfully or light heartedly. I understand it's different in different places but in my experience no one would really be able to get offended over it. It's just a light word. I don't like it either! But people say it all the time so I doubt she meant it in an overtly offensive way. Idk tho
@@lyrielswaine7466 I think you missed the part where they aren't friends and I literally said in my original comment "if someone I didn't know very well". it is one thing to joke around with your friends. but this WAS NOT THAT
Show Runners:
"Renee, you go have a potentially traumatic experience as a black woman in a white neighborhood with a lot of red flags.
Meanwhile, Carmen, would you like to enjoy yourself fetishizing black culture?"
Rose is like "PLEASE TAKE ME WITH YOU!" to the other family.
If Carmen crying and not saying sorry isn't every RUclipsr apology video ever
“I wont record this, this is for twitch only” me watching on youtube: 👀
Hehehe
i think by 'record' he meant record for a video, not uploading the vod to yt
i had to keep pausing during this stream to not be angry, but carmen calling someone a creature or just asking straight out someones sexuality - especially since in one of his poems chad said how much it hurts to just be perceived as gay without no one getting to know him - hit me so hard i felt physically ill. i think brunos usage of the n-word doesnt hit as hard because honestly, i expected it. of course, some white guy would be excited to get a “pass” to say a word they cant use, but carmens just so ignorant and unapologetic, has the nerve to *cry* after calling someone out of their name and claims to be involved in the civil rights movement yet has no tact whatsoever. neither of those parents are going to learn anything from this, and their preconceptions about black people are just “angry over the dead past” are just further enforced since they wont even listen to what the family is trying to educate them on. i get why renee says shes over it; people who are born stupid die stupid, and if someones unwilling to change, they wont. bruno walked in saying racism doesnt exist. carmen walked in thinking shes so “radical” with her civil rights background and is on the defensive immediately when thats challenged.
Like just I had hopes for Carmen but then just no no no. At least Rose realized what she was doing was wrong but still this whole show should’ve never existed.
Absolutely agree, but I gotta say that dude’s gay poem was not the best, either. Carmen shouldn’t have asked his sexuality, she is clearly just the biggest asshole as you said.
But using slurs and then explicitly clarifying he doesn’t belong to the group that would make it okay to use said slurs… I get that 2006 was a different time, but not a good look. This is just “insert your prejudice” the show
When she called Renee obnoxious for not wanting to be called a bitch I lost hope for her, then she started crying and it’s like… why are you crying and the women you disrespected isn’t even crying, she wanted someone to reassure her that what she did was okay and when they didn’t she tried to cry to get sympathy
@@thedestroyasystem this
The horny freestyle poem was a much-needed oasis in this desert of cringe.
I agree.
when you were shocked at the response to "what is the neighborhood like' that is literally how all of the people in my neghboorhood describe it to others and its crazy how nobody sees a problem with saying that! i hear my area being described as being a "good white area" to anybody that asks smh
This show was created by Ice Cube, not just produced. He defended the show within the past few years.
Bruno isn't just saying he hasn't experienced racism, he is *actively* saying it doesn't exist
Bruno has the most obvious lying voice I’ve ever heard lol. He’s almost yelling all the time but then the second he starts lying he drops his voice to the point where he’s almost whispering. It’s hilarious. It happens the second he starts talking about “Scott”.
the white family in this show really embody the phrase, "im sorry you feel that way."
After watching Encanto and then this, the phrase, "We don't talk about Bruno" hits different. What a YIKES of a man
“Bruno-momento” was absolutely hilarious why is no one talking about that top notch play on words
That talk about assimilation with the guy in the bar is so scary. I'm a white Australian and just rings alarm bells considering we had the White Australia Policy til the early 70's which was all about taking Aboriginals from their culture and giving them more "benefits" the more they assimilate. They lost family and culture due to this, very sad to see people saying that shit still in the 2000's.
Same stuff was done in the US with Native Americans and immigrants. There were assimilation schools, and Natives were given giant amounts of land and other benefits (not talking about reservations btw) for electing to go to said schools. That is if they were even given the choice. Absolutely disgusting.
@@thedestroyasystem “kill the Indian not the man” was the official 20th century US Native American policy. You’ll see that quote a lot when you research this horror. Assimilation isn’t just an assumption
@@thedestroyasystem look up Blanqueamiento
@@genderender considering the history of the us, it's more like kill the indian and the man