Why did Jesus say "The Father is greater than I"
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- Опубликовано: 7 янв 2025
- Today we'll look at this verse in John 14:28, and how this verse goes in line with Chalcedonian Christology
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I just realized I've never thanked you. One of your videos a few months ago converted me to Christianity, I owe you the world. God bless!
@@SagesVerse1 Glory to God! May God bless you as well!
Which video?
Hold your tongue before you bite it. You owe no one anything but Jesus your heart. He paid for it in full, and you giving the world to someone is against God. We are not made for this world. Careful with your words, meditate what you say. Salvation means you represent the Lord, so choose words wisely and become intimate with the Scripture. I’m happy for your salvation - God bless you, brother!
@@CiscoZerowe owe a lot to the people Jesus put here to help us get to him . Don’t be so arrogant . He’s merely giving reverence for being led to Christ and giving praise to encourage more action in evangelicals
@@CiscoZero u good?
Praise be to god, glory to the lord Jesus christ.
Can we also say that the Father is greater in the sense that he is the first person of Trinity, the one who doesn’t proceed from anyone, who is God by himself while the Son is eternally begotten and God from God, so in that sense the Father is greater, not in nature but in position?
Why do you think god is real?
@@TboneWTFdo you believe the universe came from nothing? Or that the first life came from non-life?
@@PatternRecognitionNotRacism "do you believe the universe came from nothing? Or that the first life came from non-life?" it doesn't matter what I believe my friend. Our topic is about god and if he exists or not. How does my belief or disbelief in the universes formation prove that your god exists in any way? Good luck my friend.
@Edgardo I was thinking the same thing.
@@TboneWTF Because the presence of change, causality contingency, teleology, moral truth, among other things in the universe, leads to the conclusion that there most be a necessary being, uncaused cause, unmoved mover, and its attributes that can be logically deducted corresponds with those of the being that we call God.
Now this proves the existence of such a being but not necessarily the Christian God. In that case I believe in him because I think we have good historic evidence that Jesus of Nazareth claimed to be the divine Son of God and rose from the dead confirming his ministry and claims.
Praise God for your channel my brother
I lost my faith for 4 years. It just gradually happened. I am now in the process of returning to the sheep with Jesus Christ as the Shepherd.
Don’t return to that nonsensical crap. Just treat people right and work hard. Don’t let religion poison your mind.
@@ChrisM-zm4li I'm just trying to revive my faith. Hatred is the last thing I want to see.
@@jaguar8970 Then do NOT revive your faith. You can't be so blind as to not see how human history's hatred comes almost entirely from faith.
@@jaguar8970 nah bro youre doing great. Being a prodigal son is forgiven and rejoiced. Good job man
@@ChrisM-zm4li no human hatred has come from mostly secular based societies that led to millions of genocides, nihilism, existentialism, higher suicide rates among non religious people and more. Check your facts.
One aspect to remember is that Jesus is a follower of the laws established by his father. And the commandment to honor your father and your mother is paramount in his life …. The father being his father placed his father in a place of honor.
Note this also applies to his mother which is why when he first asked what business the wine is to him and that his time has not yet come, at the wedding of Cana that he actually makes the wine because it is Mary’s will to have the wine for the wedding …
I remember reading that and pausing before coming to the same conclusion on the basis of the Church's teachings on the Trinity. As per usual, none of our problems or objections are original or new, we just have the luxury of a magisterium to firmly address all these issues.
As a Coptic Christian this argument can be the same with us, as we believe Christ is of one nature that is both human and god at the same time, so would make sense why he would say he is lower than the father as his human side is. ❤❤ (edit: you all misunderstood what I mean, I was writing this comment fast but it’s not half half like that, his wills are still their but in one nature. For anyone who has a question please search it up as I really don’t have the time to right an explanation comment 😅😅 thank you all though for reading this. Just don’t take my word way to specifically as I was ent saying it specifically)
Oriental Orthodox christology ❤☦️
Somehow Jesus has 2 minds... not knowing "day or hour" and 2 wills "not my will but yours". This theory not found in any scripture ever is also completely illogical. Is Jesus' human part serving his God part in heaven currently? No of course not. Jesus is serving "the ONLY True God" in heaven now and forever. He and I serve the same God. You serve a different god with 3 personalities somehow.
@@readlesspraymore4686 you sound Muslim lmao
@@readlesspraymore4686is your god your Father?
@readlesspraymore4686 ....have you not read John 1:1? Or 1 John 5:20, which identifies the Son as the True God? Or the statement that thomas made in John 20:28 calling Christ both Lord and God? Or when the Father Himself called the Son God in Hebrews 1:8? You stand against the scriptures, and the Holy Spirit Himself who authored the scriptures through inspiration, as well as against 2000 years of the true Christian doctrine.
I heard some comments on this saying Jesus was talking about authority "greater" in authority because the father is the one to whom He obeyed
This also. Jesus is lesser in authority and humanity compared to the Father, but equal in divinity.
I heard this by a well known catholic teacher Dr Jim Papandrea, their is a hierarchy of authority in the trinity, I think it fit better with plain reading scriptures where you done need to go into the two nature of christ. to explain it why the father is greater
@@Triniforchrist that's an error. There isn't a hierarchy in the Trinity, because all three persons share one will.
@@Triniforchristthat sounds like subordinationism, which was ruled a heresy. You may have explained or understood it wrong. Be very careful.
@@marvalice3455 "all three persons share one will"?
Luke 22: 42
saying, “Father, if Thou be willing, remove this cup from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Thine be done.”
Your videos are amazing! Thank you our world needs this.
I absolutely love pondering the Trinity mystery ❤
It’s so stupid and silly.
Thanks, that was helpful.
Beautiful argumentation.
Been binge watching your videos. Its 1am. Help I got work tomorrow
It's a natural statement of every son. But no father says I'm greater than my son but every father is proud to say my son is greater than me... It means that father and son are one in nature. X>Y and Y>X means X=Y.
The answer with less mental gymnastics is that the Monarchy of the Father is the correct view of the Trinity.
That was actually hard in modern English to understand. Thanks for sharing, God bless thee!
Thank you
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Meaning = The Soul ia greater than the host.
Hope you have a great Epiphany
Sanctus Sanctus Sanctus 🙇♂️
1:16 what movie is this from?????
I think it's from the 2010 European film "Saint Augustine".
Do you know where in the Bible verse Jesus called himself "God"
Matthew 4:6-7 KJV
[6] and saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: And in their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. [7] Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Who did Satan tempt, is Jesus
Then Jesus said you should not tempt the Lord your God it is written
Luke 24:44
[44] And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
John 5:46 KJV
[46] For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Matthew 22:32 KJV
[32] I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Here Jesus clearly said "I am God"
Jesus is God, just in a fleshy body, and the father God, is greater than God the son, the manifestation of the Father in a body. God is great and unseen, he rests outside creation, the heaven is his throne and the earth is his footstool. psalm 104. If a computer controls multiple NPCs at the same time with separate personalities it is still the 1 computer. Now YHWHs great spirit can control multiple forms easily, and make them seem like separate personalities, but it is all the LORD. And he can do much more then that because he is exceedingly great. We are lucky and blessed. Paradise is going to be amazing, God bless you, Amen
@@Sol-Illuminus yes you get it God is Omni-attributed Omniscient Omnipotent and Omnipresent
God is Omnipresent he is everywhere invisible eternal space
God the father is Omnipresent Omniscient Omnipotent and Omni-attribute but God the Father can possess(manifest) everything he wants
Like he spoke to Moses on the Burning Bush, 2# he met Abraham in a Human image in Genesis 18 3# Jacob saw God face to face which is his image, God is Unseen but he can appear a physical body on the land, he creates Adam and Eve in his image and God has his appearance of the physical body of Adam and Eve, remember God created Adam and Eve in his image notice 4# the Angel of the Lord stop Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac 5# God spoke to King David in a spirit inside the Temple, 6# God spoke to Peter at the cloud like Ezekiel, Elijah, John the Patmos, 7# God spoke Isaiah in invisible, Isaiah don't see God but he hears his voice like Zachariah, Malachi, Jeremiah,
The God of Israel is God the Father
Why Jesus isn't God the father is because he is the face of all Humanity, Laws, the Sabbath days and Temple is through Christ
Jesus is the face of all Humanity
John 17:21-22 KJV
[21] that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. [22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
1 Corinthians 12:12 KJV
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15] Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
John 1:3 KJV
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Genesis 1:27 KJV
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
We are made through Christ who is the image of the invisible God
Genesis 1:27 God create us in his image
What is God's image?
God's manifestation Physical body in the Garden of Eden. What is the Purpose God create Man?
Colossians 1:16-17, 20 KJV
[16] for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [17] and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[20] and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
God create all this for his begotten Son who is the face of Humans like Adam and Eve are one to make multiple humans around the Earth
Jesus made Adam and Eve in Eve in his form
2 Corinthians 5:17-18 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
It makes more sense that Jesus prays to the Father in all Humans connection to God the father
Is like we pray to God the Father in the same time Jesus pray
The Holy Spirit is not God the father neither the Son too
Because the Spirit of Knowledge, Spirit of love, Spirit of Wisdom, the Spirit of life, the Spirit of power, the Spirit of language are One it is the Holy Spirit himself in the Father divine, all Humans spirit is the members of the Holy Spirit who is the manifestations by God the Father
The Holy Spirit is the manifestations by God the Father
Remember God the father is invisible, everywhere, space himself, eternal, he can control everything, God does not only take care the Earth alone, he takes care the whole universe,(infinity world)
Jesus is the authority of the Earth but Man broke's God's Commendement
Jesus is the Commendement, the Sabbath, the face of all Humans of Members
The Holy Spirit has all the prophets and people spirit in him
Jesus said we must worship the spirit
John 4:24 KJV
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
You don't hold the faith if you deny Jesus divinity.
@@bruno-bnvmwell said ✝️❣️
@@roginyappl7158Jesus is the God of Israel✨
Many of church fathers like Alexander of Alexandra, the cappadocian fathers, Athanasius, understood this to mean that the father is greater because he is the unprincipled principle of the other two persons of the Trinity and their source. But then the Athanasius creed says “And in this Trinity none is before or after other; none is greater or less than another;”
and speaking of Jesus “Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood;”
So that leaves me confused.
Still, one cannot not feel the overbearing implications in the Gospels that Father is superior to Son who is superior to the Spirit.
Even the Catholic Nicean Creed feeds into this.
: Therfore no Trinity!"
All the verses on this subject must be taken into account, for example you do not quote Phillipians 2:5-6 which is one of the key verses on this subject, it is necessary to take into account all the examples of the Bible for a more relevant understanding.
*Phillipians 2:5-6*
*5* Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
*6* Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Because the Father is is greater
So the nicean creed is greater than Jesus' actual word... brilliant
Exactly. It amazes me how so many people are so easily seduced by these mental gymnastics, and don't realize that there must be something wrong and sinister when they end up with a doctrine that contradicts what Jesus explicitly says.
@saulm58 is what happened when christians with question met greek phillosophy
Because it is what it is, the Father is greater than the Son in authority.
Sanctus, I love your videos but something about this just says Nestorianism. How could Christ have meant it in regards to his human nature excluding the divine? Is the Lord not fully human AND fully divine?
We don't blend the nature's to avoid nestorianism. That is it's own error.
The nature's remain distinctly themselves while being under a single person.
Because when he was in the flesh, he was made even lower than the angels.....
Simple to people who believe good is above the Father
3:18 I am a Christian and I did not understand this part. Does the hypostatic union say that Jesus only has one nature? If so, why does Saint Thomas Aquinas say that he has two? It is a sincere question
Two natures, one individual person.
@@danvankouwenberg7234 Two wills too?
Luke 22: 42
“Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”
@@tombuddy100 yes.
@@danvankouwenberg7234 So, according to you (or Trinity doctrine), God consists of three persons: The Father, The Holy Spirit, and The Son.
The Father is Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is Spirit.
The Son is both Spirit and Human.
The Son has Spirit will and Human will.
They are all one God.
It is very complicated. Does it not make more sense that the Father is the only God? John 17: 3
@@tombuddy100 His two wills are necessitated by his two natures, but they are not in conflict.
The three persons of the trinity are all God or of the same substance of God, not created entities. It is my understanding that this was one of the main reasons St. John the Evangelist wrote his Gospel the way he did. Christians were struggling with this understanding even then. This is why John 1 and the rest of Jesus's prayer in John 17 are so important. See John 17:5, 21, 23. 17:3, if read by itself seems like Jesus was a prophet or something, but I don't believe there are any contradictions in the Bible. Where it looks like one exists, I take the "yes, and" approach. They are mysteries which are hard for humans to understand. And that's ok. That's why Jesus founded his Church. Contemplation of these things bring us closer to Him.
Unitarian theology is seen as simpler, but that doesn't make it true. His ways are not our ways.
It’s interesting because each disciples account of Jesus is perceived according to human nature. John didn’t know how to describe what he was experiencing so he referred to Jesus like God himself. Then Jesus states “The Father is greater than I”.
Well done
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Jehovah's Witnesses have the true Jesus
@@AdamLopez1985 no they don't
@@JustaRandomCatholic Jehovah's Witnesses most definitely have that true messenger in John 13:16.
@@AdamLopez1985 the church fathers already refuted their heresy
@@JustaRandomCatholic You don't know anything.
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I found it somewhat ironic that the answer is explained through the works of Church Councils centuries later and the writings of later theologians and philosophers. Clearly, this verse has posed a problem for certain Christians right from the beginning as Jesus clearly stated that his Father was greater than him. (No equality=No trinity). To make matters worse, throughout he gospel of John, the Son is subordinate to The Father ; is differentiiated from God and even claims to have a God. (John 1 :18; John14 :1; John 17 :3;
John 5 :19; John 5 :26,27, 30,36,37; John 20 :17).
Apparently, we cannot possibly take the words of Jesus at face value:
The Father is greater (John 14:28)
The Father is the one true God(John 17:3)
God is someone else (John14 :1)
Jesus does not have life in himself (John 5 :26)
Jesus has a God(John 20 :17)
Indeed, the entire purpose of John's gospel is not to tell us that Jesus is God Almighty or the Lord God, but that he is the messiah(Christ) th Son of God. (John 20 :31). This claim in itself makes him one other than God! Indeed, in no gospel is Jesus ever called God Almighty or Lord God, titles for YHWH alone.
So why can we not just accept what the gospel of John says or even the words of Jesus himself as recorded in the gospel ? Becaus clearly, these veses undermine completely the cherished doctrine of the Trinity which was not even developed until later centuries according to standard reference works.
But what about the scriptures used as supporting evidence.
- John 1 :1- This cannot be used as evidence of the Trinity, like all the rest, as no third person is mentioned. In fact, we note that Jesus /Christ is not even mentioned in the verse, but the title, the 'Word'. If this title is for the Son of God, who is the God he is WITH in verses 1 &2?
-John 1 :3 - all things were made through him (ASV) ; by his agency(Byington); One can be the agent of creation without being the creator. The Son can be the agent without being God Almighty.
- John 1:14- It is the word of God that becaame flesh, not God. God sent is son, not himself. (John 3 :16)
-John 10 :30- Jesus himself explains in what sense he is one with the Father in John 17:21-23. The disciples are also one with each other and him and God. It is a oneness of purpose.
-John14 :6,9- In verse 6, Jesus distinguishes himself from the Father explaining that now he is the only way to the Father. As the Son of God, the appointed messiah, the image of God(Col 1 :15), he perfectly reflects his Father's qualities and so seeing Jesus literally is like seeing the Father figuratively. No man can see God. (John 1 :18). Jesus was certainly not claiming to be the Father as this is heretical in the doctrine of the Trinity. Indeed, 1300 times the Father is presented as God in the NT. We should, therefore, read any ambiguous statements through the lenses of the rest of he NT and not force a preconceived idea or anachronistic presupposition on the text.
In view of the above, I cannot agree with the claims of the ontent creator.
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Stupid Legends , wake up people.
I mean if you believe in the Filioque, how do you reconcile this being that the Father and Son are first cause?
I don't think that the filioque necessarily means that both Father and Son are the first cause, or is incompatible with Monarchical Trinitarianism.
It is easier to understand when we stop talking about Father, Son because it create the wrong impression.
Yehovah reveal Himself to us as the Father (of creation), the Word of God (Yehovah operating in the physical realm also seen as the Angel of God) and the Spirit of God (Yehovah operating in the spirit realm), different function yet same Yehovah.
The eternal Word of God manifested in flesh as son of God.
Dont be a modalist @@andrevisser7542
One spiration not two spirations
You didn't watch the video did you?
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great video
Also said only the father knows the end of times. But having info don’t make you better or worse jn power and stature.
I’m confused… Jesus’ human nature is still God. How does this still go with the argument that His flesh is inferior to the father?
Thx
That messenger said his father is greater because he isn't God
It has always been difficult to place into words the eternal realities which are beyond words, particularly as our knowledge is always partial.
However, that which has been revealed to us regarding this created realm and God's plan of salvation are sufficient for us here and now.
This finite creation was brought into existence by processions of the divine Word and divine Breath (Genesis chapter one). The created realm is sustained moment by moment by the same Mind and power, "...in him we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:28; Colossians 1:17). At the appointed time, the Word became flesh, conceived by the divine Breath, and we have seen his glory, that of a Son sent forth from a loving Father (Gospel of John, chapter one).
How can you prove that our "realm" was "created"?
@@TboneWTF Ask God. He'll tell you. Just as he did me.
@@stephenbailey9969 "Ask God. He'll tell you. Just as he did me." I'm curious as to what your god said to you? What were his exact words? Also, did you hear his words or was it more of a feeling? Thanks and good luck.
@@TboneWTF He said to me when I heard it, by intuition and emotional response, "Jesus is the answer to what ails you."
Then in a dream, he showed me the name of a pastor whose church I should attend. He gave me information in audible voice about the needs of a young man who was in trouble. And he gave me in audible voice instructions that it was time to retire, this just before Covid broke out.
@ "He said to me when I heard it, by intuition and emotional response, "Jesus is the answer to what ails you."" How can you demonstrate conclusively that it was god that you heard? Isn't it also possible you imagined the voice? Isn't it possible that you heard a radio or a noise?
Bro cooked
Because he speaking in his nature as man. Jesus has 2 nature , God & man.
Excellent
It means what it means. Was he speaking in parable? No...!
According to Trinity doctrine, God consists of three persons: The Father, The Holy Spirit, and The Son.
The Father is Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is Spirit.
The Son is both Spirit and Human.
The Son has Spirit will and Human will.
They are all one God.
It is very complicated. Does it not make more sense that the Father is the only God?
John 17: 3
Matthew 11: 25
Because he is not co-equal to the Father. Very simple
Without him nothing was made, so you are wrong as all heretic
@@Triniforchrist He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Was God born?
@@tombuddy100 the Son is eternally born of the father, not created, eternal life that was with the father was manifest to 1john1
@@tombuddy100 the generation of the Son is eternally, and hiw God is in himself. The father is the source of the whole Godhead
@@Triniforchrist Those assertions are not supported by the Bible.
Not a single person in the Bible clearly spelled out the Trinity doctrine, not even the Son.
If you disagree, provide a single verse that clearly spells out the Trinity doctrine.
Its strange isn't it my sister and l were bought up Catholics and listening to many of the scriptures used to support trinitarian ism l don't see a trinity but my sister does. Jehovah is God Almighty and Jesus is His son, the first born of All creation, not God himself. (And no l am not a Jehovah Witness)
Because he was G-d’s Anointed Servant, who’d came in the flesh, and the Father is G-d!
Jesus is God
@ If Jesus is G-d, then who is G-d’s Anointed One-G-d wouldn’t need to Anoint Himself? Scripture tells us that G-d is not a man that He lies, but Jesus said he was not “given to know the day or hour”-he surely didn’t lie?
Also, Paul and John both state, “no man has seen G-d” and Paul takes this farther in 1st Timothy ch6 that “no man has, or will see”. Both had encountered Jesus after his resurrection?
The Trinity was a product of Rome to patronize the former worshippers of Zeus / Jupiter, and the Jewish Messiah was turned into a man-god that the Greeks and Romans were familiar with worshipping. Also, the classical image of Jesus, existed on Greek and Roman coins as Zeus / Jupiter, long before Jesus. So every Christian who says “Jesus is G-d” has an image burned into their consciousness that was formerly Zeus’s-and G-d warned of making “images of things in heaven, or in the seas, or on the earth below…” read about the Greek Hypsistarians, who related every other nations god with their own Zeus.
Jesus / Yeshua said to Repent, and this must happen before we can be Born Again, or have Christ’s Anointing in Us. Its a real change, and G-d will reveal His Word, and what he wants us to do, and know about His character. A lot of times we hold on to doctrine thinking our traditions will save us, and these can also be a very real stumbling block to actually Repenting, and seeing what G-d actually wants to reveal and implement in our lives. I can tell you, He has a far better plan for each of us, than anything we can make up for ourselves!
Shalom in Him.
The Word emptied Himself to become servant, one of us but after He finished what He came to do, He returned to the glory He had from before creation.
@ and He himself is the Creator,, the Word was GOD✝️❣️
@@maxprescott9371 You better study John 10 carefully, because Jesus refers to Psalms 82:6 and the alternate Hebrew usage of the word Elohim, frequently translated by Greeks as simply G-d / Theo, but in this case it is used as a Holy One, Divine One, same as Samuel is called an Elohim, and David says “we are all Elohim, Sons of the Most High.” This is what some call a “little cap god” and David says we are all suppose to be. Jesus, when falsely accused of making himself out to be G-d, refers to this very usage of the Word Elohim / אלהימ, and then states clearly, he is a son of G-d, basically declaring his Messiahship.
He does not know the “day or hour.” He was seen by everyone, when John and Paul are clear, “no man has seen G-d,” and Paul says “or will see G-d” in 1 Timothy 6. Also, if you are saying G-d Himself came in the flesh, and not His Anointed Servant, or have to modify the Test of the Spirit in First John, you’re kind of failing the parameters given in the Test!
Also, read the dialogue John has with the Divine Being / Elohim in the last chapter of Revelation, remember it is the message G-d gave Jesus / Yeshua to give to his disciple. The Divine one goes on to declare the Divine Name, and states “he is Jesus the Messiah, the Root and Seed of David,” and he’d just stopped John from bowing to him, and told him to worship G-d. This Servant / Divine One is the same as the Angel of Exodus 23 who can pronounce judgement, because “My Name is in Him-this is a Sheliach in Hebrew, a Messenger / Makakha / Angel / G-d’s sent one!
I think I responded earlier, and I don’t see my reply, and hope I’m not being censored?
Cesar's Messiah.
Jesus Will never Call everybody's GOD his father....... GOD of Adam and Jesus the same.
In Luke, it states Jesus grew in wisdom. Obviously Jesus was not fully divine at that point in time.
No. This passage refers to the human nature growing both physically and in the esteem of men.
Hypostatic union ? Hello ?
@marvalice3455 So, everything in the Bible can be interpreted to support both Trinitarian and Unitarian doctrine, sometimes even the same verse, such as Mark 10:18?
@@tombuddy100 no. Interpreting anything in the bible in unitarian lense does violence to your intellect and damages your ability to find the truth. Only trinitarian interpretations are valid.
@@marvalice3455 How many prophets or disciples in the Bible were Trinitarian?
All of them? Some of them? Could you provide reasons?
Also, are Israelis (who believe in God) today Trinitarian?
If not? Why not?
Thanks for the explanation.
One thing though, can you please turn off that operatic singing woman? She's a distraction. And also we don't need pictures of big church buildings, again a distraction. Why not just film yourself talking?
The church fathers have the spirit of the pagan Aristotle, sadly. Not the spirit of Christ.
I disagree with the humanity argument. The church is great at contriving word salad to arrive at conclusions consistent with doctrine. Let’s just accept both of our Lord’s statements that “the Father and I are one”, and “the Father is greater than I” and be content that we don’t get it all. In John, our Lord speaks of “the Father” dozens of times in the few short chapters beginning with Judas’ departure and up to his arrest, so clearly Jesus is NOT the Father, yet is one with the Father. It is a communion into which we are also invited. Or try this, a better approach: Christ is the Word. Well my words are preceded by my thoughts. My thoughts create, my words (and deeds) manifest, yet I am one. If the thought creates and precedes the word then isn’t the thought 1st (or greater) than the 2nd, the word.
Of course Jesus would say the Father is greater. As a man Jesus had to fulfill the Law and part of fulfilling the Law would need to bow before God. As an aside we humans cannot truly understand the Trinity. Being different beings while also being the same is beyond earthly understanding. But, you and I both understand it as much as is possible. That is because God has revealed these things to us. Many things seem obvious to us because we are blessed with divine wisdom. I think that this point is important because we need to appreciate that others don't see spiritual things as clearly. We really need to be patient and kind with others when it comes to spiritual matters. We should understand why someone might say it is all foolishness. 1 Corinthians 2:14 tells us as much. Even fellow believers fit into this, I think. God's wisdom is vast and he shares it as he pleases. Not everyone who says they believe understands the truth of the gospel the same way, for example. So, I think we should be very careful about becoming arrogant in thinking we are so much more knowledgeable than others. Yes, we can boast in the Lord but that is only when God's receives all the credit.
JOHN 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
JOHN 6:63
It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
PHILIPPIANS 2:7-8
but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men and being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross.
I TIMOTHY 3:16
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, And received up in glory.
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God's answer is in Phil.2:6,7 that explains that during His evangelical ministry on earth, He subordinated Himself. After conquering death, Jesus now has "ALL AUTHORITY." In the present dispensation, Christ is greater than the Father.
When I was young, I was subordinate as a son before my father. After becoming a doctor, my father suborfinated to me in matters of health. To view Jesus as less than who He claimed to be--viz. God Almighty--is blasphemy, no matter how well intended.
The reason why Jesus said thing's like the Father is greater than Him, and the Father is the only true God, is, because although Jesus is God 2nd person singular who thought it not robbery to be equal WITH God 1st person singular, He emptied Himself of His Godly attributes and operated as the Son of man. Although Jesus is God, He didn't do one miracle as the Son of God, He didn't do one miracle until He was baptised with the Holy Ghost and power.
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Jesus is God the Son, the Christ, and at the same time fully the Son of God, and the Son of Man, through the divine mystery of the hypostatic union, which unites the divine and human natures into Our Lord, Jesus Christ; who lowered himself to humanity to fulfill and redeem us in the fullness of charity and love of the Father, and the entire Trinity! Christ is Lord! ❤️✝️🕊🇻🇦🔥
(I hope I'm orthodox with this 😅🤣❤️)
nice
Comparing Apples with Oranges... Comparing Himself with the Father only on his Human nature!! Was he only a human on earth or both human and Devine?
This explanation is more confusing than the trinity itself... However you torture it doesn't spell logic or rationality...
I understand if you blindly believe in it.. But i don't respect that
When you refer to yourself as a Trinitarian, does that mean you are actually in the OSsT, or are you just talking about our Christian beliefs in general. Great video either way, God bless.
I'm just curious since I hadn't had much interaction with various monastic and other orders.
If God (the father) actually did all the miracles that Jesus performed then clearly he is greater than Jesus. (Acts 2:22).
No Jesus did what He saw the Father do. Same Yehovah.
@@andrevisser7542in the same way Moses did. Moses was made a God ( Elohym ) to pharoah. Nobody is confusing Moses to be GOD tho.
Exodus 7 v 1.
@@astutik8909, yet Moses never claimed to be Yehovah, was never called Yehovah and the Bible certainly doesn't teach it.
Their is a hierarchy of authority in the Godhead, not divinity or operation, the father is greater in authority in that since. 1Cor11-3
@andrevisser7542 When Jesus said "I and the Father are one", he also said this:
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
Are his disciples also many persons-one being?
Are his disciples God?
Clearly, no.
So, what did Jesus mean?
Because Jehovah is.
The Baha'i Faith says that God is Unknowable; no one can know the Divine Creator, so He sends His Holy messengers such as Jesus to teach humanity what the Lord wants people to know. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, given birth by the virgin Mary. This is in the Bible. in the Gospel of Matthew Joseph is told to adopt Jesus as his son. It's all in holy scripture. People are not all-knowing. Only God is.
"Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, given birth by the virgin Mary. " With out using the bible how would you be able to provide evidence that this is true?
No offense is meant in this comment, but this is simply not true. If this were true, then once Christ was resurrected then he would again be equal to the Father and be God, and yet we repeatedly find references that show that the Father was still Jesus’ God (John 20:17; 2 Corinthians 1:3 and Jesus himself stating it in Revelation 3:14). If the Trinity was such an essential Christian doctrine, necessary for a person’s salvation, then why did it take nearly 500 years and numerous church councils to adopt and express it? I understand that there are many Scriptures that blur the line between Father and Son, and I gladly accept them all. However, you can’t ignore or explain away verses that contradict your doctrine. If this doctrine had not been labeled “orthodox” and dissenters labeled as “heretics” we might have come to a more accurate understanding of the Father and Son’s true relationship.
Read John gospel
After Jesus's resurrection His glory was indeed restored to who He was from before creation, that is why He sit on the throne.
The Father is higher in authority yes but the Word and the Holy Spirit is still just as much Yehovah.
@@bruno-bnvm
John 17 v 3. The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD.
John 20 v 17, Jesus has the same GOD that mary and his brethren have.
John 7 v 16 , Jesus says its NOT his doctrine.
John 4 verses 19 to 23.
WE KNOW WHO WE WORSHIP. Worship the FATHER in spirit and truth.
@@bruno-bnvm Clearly I have Bruno. Perhaps you could attempt to make a case for what in John’s gospel indicates something other than what I’ve written.
@@andrevisser7542 Andre, with all due respect, then that is simply not the Trinity, at least as defined by the Nicene Creed. It is something else. That is why I wished we were not bound to church council created terms but we were just discussing this as sincere worshippers of God trying to arrive at the truth.
I can’t believe that people still believe in this childish nonsense.
You're creed is the problem but the dogma won't allow you to accept that. Simply take Scripture for what it says and not what the dogma imposes on it.
Are you saying Jesus isn’t God?
@JamesMathison98 Again my response was based on a Creed iniated at Nicea that took another 125 years to become a fixed dogma. When the original argument was over the relationship of the Father and Son. So again let's just go with what the text of Scripture says and be happy with it. That is my point.
With all due respect, one has to do a lot of mind bending to believe in the Trinity. For one thing, in what form did Jesus exist with the Father, before he came as a man?
Was Jesus a spirit? Was he in human form, in the Heavens? If he was a spirit, with the Father, then that innately makes two spirits - The Father (God’s ineffable, ethereal spirit) and the Son (Jesus’s ineffable, ethereal spirit?).. Then add the Holy Spirit in there as the third - That being the case, how can this still be called a monotheistic religion, when it’s quite literally three different spirits that a person would be worshipping/calling God?
Honestly, I’ve earnestly tried to wrap my head around this, and it still doesn’t make sense to me.
It takes “mind bending” to believe in any god as does any intellectual pursuit. There is 1 God and 3 persons. This is hard to understand since we can’t be 3 people at the same time with the same identity. That’s why there is a difference between God and man
Hope this helps to be honest your objections are straw Manning our position
1. The Trinity: One Essence, Three Persons
We as Christian affirm that God is one in essence (ousia) and three in persons (hypostases): the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This is not three gods or three separate spirits, but one God who exists eternally in three distinct, yet inseparable persons.
• John 10:30: Jesus says, “I and the Father are one,” emphasizing the unity of the divine essence.
• Deuteronomy 6:4: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” These passages affirm monotheism by worshiping the one God in Trinity.
Orthodox theology distinguishes between essence (what God is) and personhood (how God exists relationally). The Father, Son, and Spirit are not three “different spirits” but one essence shared fully and equally by all three persons.
2. Pre-Incarnate Christ
The comment asks about Jesus’ pre-incarnate form. Orthodox Christianity teaches:
• Before the Incarnation, the Son (Logos) was not human but fully divine, co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
• The Son existed as pure spirit, not as a human being, as humanity was taken on only in the Incarnation (John 1:14: “The Word became flesh”).
• This does not imply “two spirits” because the Son’s divine essence is the same as the Father’s essence. The distinction between Father and Son lies in their personhood, not in having separate essences or “spirits.”
3. The Incarnation and Christ’s Two Natures
When the Son became incarnate, He took on a human nature without ceasing to be divine. This is the doctrine of the hypostatic union:
• Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, one person with two natures (divine and human), without confusion or division.
• His humanity is unique to His Incarnation and does not alter the eternal unity of the Trinity.
The reason why we as Christians ate monotheistic is because:
• The Trinity is not three separate beings but one God in three persons.
• Worship is directed toward the one God, who reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
• The Nicene Creed clarifies this: “We believe in one God, the Father Almighty… and in one Lord Jesus Christ… and in the Holy Spirit.”
The misunderstanding of “three spirits” arises from conflating the distinct persons of the Trinity with separateness in essence, which Orthodox theology rejects.
The reason the trinity trips people up is because they have a false preposition which they unknowingly linking man mode of existence to God’s
Humans exist as singular persons, but the Trinity reveals that God exists as one being in three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This unity in diversity reflects a higher mode of existence that is incomprehensible to human beings.
Human nature is confined to a single person per being.
• Divine transcendence: God’s nature is not limited in this way. God’s existence as three persons within one essence shows a relational richness that far exceeds human existence.
So I’m conclusion
1. Jesus Christ existed eternally as the divine Son, sharing the same essence with the Father and the Spirit, not as a separate “spirit” or human form.
2. The Trinity is one God in three persons, not three gods or spirits, preserving monotheism.
3. Christianity affirms the Incarnation as the Son taking on human nature without altering His divine essence or the unity of the Trinity.
The confusion in the comment stems from misunderstanding the distinction between essence and personhood in Trinitarian theology. Orthodox Christianity resolves these issues by maintaining the unity of God and the relational distinctions within the Trinity.
Hope this helps I sent time with this response
@@jaychrist6120- This is a very thoughtful and very thorough response my friend. I will re-read several times. I greatly appreciate your insight and evident wisdom. It already clarifies several things that I was thinking. Thank you 🙏🏼
You confuse spirits with persons. God is 3 persons one God, (same essence). Just like any human has a soul a spirit and a body. The body isn't the spirit, the spirit isn't the soul and the soul isn't the body, yet all three made a human being, take the soul out of the body or separe the spirit from the soul and you have a cadaver, not a human being. Why do you think God said; "Let US make man to OUR likeness" is it because God has a nose and two hands like us? No, in us live an image of the Godness. A human trinity that reflects God's trinity.
@@jaychrist6120excellent summary of an admittedly challenging aspect of our faith.
Things Biblical Unitarians believe
God the Father is the only true God according to John's account
Jesus is the Christ the son of the living God according to the Apostle Peter
The dead are truly dead and are not floating spirits or in heaven but awaiting the trumpet call whne the dead will rise at the voice of the Christ
Hell is not eternal torment but the wicked and sinful will be destroyed in the lake of fire. God doesn't torture human beings day and night.
I hope you all reading this will have a heart of wisdom and be the bereans we Christians are all called to be. Test everything and be found in good favor in the sight of the one who can bring the dead to life. Take care friends.
Unitarians beliefs are not biblical.
The same John’s account explicitly explained the divinity of Christ.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to give testimony of the light, that all men might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but was to give testimony of the light. 9 That was the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name. 13 Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John beareth witness of him, and crieth out, saying: This was he of whom I spoke: He that shall come after me, is preferred before me: because he was before me.
The other arguments are not related to unitarianism but for salvation.
Yes, hell is eternal.
GOSPEL OF MATTHEW
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
If the dead are truly dead, why did Moses and Elijah are alive when they spoke to Jesus, knowing they died many years before?
@@bowthor3203 The text tells you it was a vision. How do you not know this? Moses represents the law and Elijah represents the prophets.
No such thing as a Biblical Unitarian, it only prove u don't know the Bible. 😂
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... what makes John a Gospel ?!?
Because he is not God
Didn’t watch the video did you?
JOHN 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
I TIMOTHY 3:16
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, And received up in glory.
PHILIPPIANS 2:7-8
but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men and being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross.
He said it, because GOD is greater than Jesus and everyone else.
Jesus is God
@@marvalice3455
Youre still having the identity problem you struggle with.
@marvalice3455
Says you who couldnt figure out our own gender.
JOHN 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
I TIMOTHY 3:16
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, And received up in glory.
PHILIPPIANS 2:7-8
but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men and being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross.
@wonderfulgodofbethel
Naughty naughty!!!!
Jesus says worship the Father in spirit and in truth.
Thats why trinitarians have zero credibilty.
John 17 v 3. Jesus says the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD.
That ends it all right there. Regardless of what anybody says or whatever you may think they meant.
John 4 v 22 " ye worship ye know not what. WE KNOW WHAT WE WORSHIP, for salvation is of the........
Catholic church? No
The church fathers? No
Salvation is of the Jews.
The very people whom the cc hates with a passion.
Recap: Jesus said something contrary to our doctrine. We'll combine the teachings of men with a few scriptures to reinterpret Jesus' words so that his statement conforms to our doctrine.
This is called wresting the scriptures.
When Jesus said ܕܐܒܝ ܪܒ ܗܘ ܡܢܝ , he meant, "For my Father is greater than I," not something else that conforms to your doctrine.
The bible is full of contradictions.
In 519 the patriarch of Constantinople and 250 orthodox bishops signed council affirming papal primacy following their Nestorian heretical teachings.
Catholic not orthodox, and if orthodox they were orthodox because they hold Catholic teaching in fullness.
مسلم و الحمد لله على نعمة الإسلام اللهم لك الحمد والشكر
لماذا تعبدون ثالوث
Why you worship trinity
Is jesus true God 👈
Because he is the son of GOD he is a separate being from his father
That's completely untrue, he is not a separate being
Distinct person but all share in the Divine Essence
If he's a separate being so God isn't one or Christ isn't God.
@@Dark-Sentences that's about the human nature. Jesus according to his humanity laid hos life down, and then was honorem by the father and became the firstborn. It still does not make a distinction in being.
The Holy Spirit is God's not Jesus' active power or force it is not a person or being.
I converted to Jehovah's Witnesses
Sad to hear, hope u get saved.
@@andrevisser7542 What's sad about worshipping the Almighty God Jehovah?
@@JasonJacksonJames, because u can't get saved from s atan's b ondage when u deny that Jesus is Yehovah manifested as man to restore what Adam has lost.
@@andrevisser7542 Why do you deny that Jehovah is the Father of Jesus?
@@JasonJacksonJames, the Bible show us there is ONE Yehovah who reveal Himself to us as the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit. The JW's wrongly claim only the Father is Yehovah.
Mental gymnastics on high level lol