A friend and I, both Protestant, were discussing how we both see an emptiness in modern contemporary worship, but we couldn’t put a finger on why. Then this video popped up on my feed the next day. Thank you, Trent
The emptiness is in the rectory, where there are comparatively few priests who aren't senior citizens in the US. When I was a young man there were three full time priests in the rectory of my parish. They used to call me to come babysit the rectory if they all had to go out at the same time, because my house was so close. Now the rectory building has been torn down and Mass is said by an immigrant priest who arrives from another town.
Before running to Papism and rejecting all of your theological beliefs, stop attending a fake Protestant church and go to an actual one … Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, etc.
That is how it feels when the Spirit of God has departed. You should examine yourselves to discover what went wrong. Otherwise you will find yourself with the same emptiness even when you move to other denominations.
To me this means that church does not walk by the spirit and invite the spirit in worship, yeah it’s just praise on the songs but if there’s nothing in the spirit it’s not worship. You can go to some and see it’s real worship and some are not due to their lack of spirit in the church. Thats really all it is. And yes that can be due to denying the presence in the Eucharist. I think the issue for some Protestants is thinking it’s cannibalism but all it is, is just the real presence of Jesus in it. If the majority of Protestants can agree on this. Catholics and orthodox will see them as equal.
I'm a protestant and despise the "Jesus is my boyfriend" music played in a lot of churches. It's one thing to have lively music, but it also needs to be thelogically sound.
@jahbee6317 Oh man, that descriptor is both hilarious and accurate. My mother is a high-church Lutheran and the vast majority of music that gets played at her church is classic Lutheran hymns. Honestly, I think high-church Protestantism is closer to Catholicism than it is to low-church Protestantism.
As a former lifelong Protestant, it was questions like these “ why do Catholics believe what they believe“ and “ what does it mean to worship?” . It was Catholic answers (Trent and Jimny) that finally gave me the clarity. I came home to the Holy Catholic Church Easter 2024!! Glory be to God!
Hate to break the news to you but the "Holy Catholic Church" is Protestant. Are you saying you came home to the Protestant church or did you convert to "Roman Pope worship"?
As someone who grew up in a traditional IFB church, then visited mostly traditional Lutheran, Anglican, and Presbyterian churches in college, I'm still drawn to Catholicism over the worship problem, among other exegetical and theological concerns. Certainly some are as you describe, but not all
We have to stop pretending like catholics are perfect or that people not on youtube are converting at the rates youtube videos would indicate. I live in a very catholic dominant part of the US and can't even remember the last time a catholic could articulate the gospel, I love my catholic brothers and sisters but the yt catholic ortho hate on protestant party is a joke to anyone who actually encounters and does life with them
@jaypritchard7122 man I live in a very catholic dominant part of the US and can't even remember the last a catholic could really articulate or defend the faith, not to mention cared whether someone was going to die outside of Christ. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters, but as someone who interacts, works, and does life with them we have to stop pretending like any of the catholics rocks protestants suck applies anywhere except youtube, none of this imagined mass conversion is happening in the real world
Hello Trent! I converted to Catholicism from the Baptist church just last year. I have to thank you for your content because it has been a huge aid in developing my understanding of Catholic teaching and doctrine. I can say that attending Mass was the singular thing that convinced me to convert after having considered converting (but holding back due to apprehension over what that conversion would require) for many years. Baptist services always felt so empty to me. I thought that that was the only way you could do "church." I never knew what I was missing until I attended Mass. I just knew there was something I was missing. I get some flack from my family over my conversion, but my wish now is that they would join me. They don't know what they're missing either. I was once desperately trying to drink from a well that was drying quicker than I could satisfy my thirst, and I am now drinking from a well that is over flowing.
@ 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (RSV-C) _“I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brethren. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”_ Yeah, what about it?
You converted to Rome over worship knowing there are other options such as old Catholic, orthodox, evangelical Catholic (Lutherans), Anglican. How did you square aligning the papal infallibility and Mary dogmas with Scripture and church history/tradition?
I went to a funeral mass over the weekend. The man we buried was the last remaining sibling of my father-in-law. He was a devout Catholic and had a lovely family he doted over. I noticed during the mass, most of the family sitting in front of us had no idea what they were doing in the mass. They didn’t come up for communion. My heart ached to witness this falling away. A good portion of those people go to Protestant churches now, while the others have abandoned any faith whatsoever. They don’t feel fulfilled in the Catholic Church. I’m a convert the other direction. I have found the treasure in the field. I am amazed at how anyone could have such a treasure and forsake it. But so too did Judas walk with Christ and yet he was lost.
This is the result of poor catechesis, which has been a problem for the past 50-60 years. At least they knew not to go up for communion, which only Catholics in the state of grace are allowed to do.
God doesn't have grandchildren 😢 I fear that man will have no one to remember him in their prayer or have masses said for him. Eternal Memory! Вечная Рамять!
I relate to this. There’s so much treasure in Catholicism, but it’s sold short and that’s why people leave it. I honestly think the liturgy is a big part of this. The mass has been stripped of a lot like the sacred language of Latin, the sacred music of Gregorian chant and polyphony, ad oriented, incense, and just solemnity in general. I think when we sell the mass short, it sells the rest of the faith short, and people think they’ve seen all that the Church has to offer. If you go to a Latin Mass parish though, you’re immersed in a beautiful, traditional and, more importantly, reverent and solemn mass. If you go long enough, it’s only a matter of time before you’re immersed in the traditions of the Church and you see everything to offer. Because the Mass is traditional, it connects you to the traditions of the past where there is so much good. This is just what I’ve concluded based on my own experience and also seeing Catholics leave the church and asking them and myself why
"But so too did Judas walk with Christ and yet he was lost." Are you sure? Theologians have fiercely debated for 2,000 years whether Judas was carrying out God's plan or not.
@@MichaelBluford you aren't fooling anyone - we all know the aesthetic sanctity of Catholic mass, and we all know the aesthetic depravity of evangelical megachurch. Nondenominational protestantism is dying because its corny and doesn't feel sanctified like Catholicism.
As a former protestant, Tradition and Eucharist is what brought me to the Catholic Church. I got tired of modern worship. I needed something more, I needed the Eucharist. Nothing wrong with modern worship music, or even dancing before the Lord, but I do that on my own, in my home and car.
Great that you found a place that's more historic and sacramental. But you didn't need to leave protestantism to do so. Lutheranism is exactly that while also having the positives of protestantism.
@@matthiashellwig2536 Without the divine priesthood instituted by Jesus Christ in his one true church with 2,000 years of unbroken apostolic succession and their consecration of the host at the holy mass, yours is just a cracker and grape juice no matter how convicted you are. Most definitely not the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ.
Orthodox viewer here. Well said, Trent! In the Divine Liturgy, the priest holds the Eucharist chalice aloft and chants, "Thine own of Thine own we offer unto Thee on behalf of all, and for all."
Thanks for informing the readers who have not experienced the Byzantine Divine Liturgy. Trent and his family attended / attends a Uniate church in the Byzantine Rite.
Similarly, in the Mass, at the end of the Roman Canon, the priest elevates the Eucharist and chants/sings: “Through Him, and with Him, and in Him, O God, Almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour is Yours, for ever and ever.” (Contextually, the “Him” in that line is referring to God the Son, Jesus Christ)
I went to Latin Mass for the first time yesterday. As someone with an evangelical background, this question has bothered me quite greatly. And I've been thinking about nonstop since yesterday. This video was very timely for me. Thank you.
I'm a catholic and been to modern mass and latin mass and I can really say that the Latin Mass is very different and is much more solemn than the modern mass.
I hope you had an enjoyable experience! I’m sure it’s a bit of a culture shock coming from evangelical style worship 😅 But it’s great to see you exploring our Catholic tradition. God bless you!
@@hannahreneart If you have a serious intention, NO Mass can be just as spiritual as LM. It's also instructive to recall that Latin was at one time the vulgar idiom and it was Greek that held sway in the Mass.
@@rhwinner The problem is that you have to go out of your way in the NO in a way that you simply don’t in the TLM. I have been to good and edifying NO Masses, but I’ve never been to a distracting or irreverent TLM!
This video pretty much encapsulates why I was a Protestant to a converting Catholic. I cannot wait to receive the Eucharist for the first time this upcoming April!!!
As a non-denom protestant who has been living in a foreign country for the past 6 months, I agree so much with this. After needing a translator for all the sermons here, I was excited to go back home for Christmas and worship in my own language with the body of Christ at my home church. However, when I went to Christmas Eve service, we sang one song together, were told to take a seat, then sat and listened to several performances and a short sermon. I was incredibly disappointed. I've been looking into Orthodoxy for a while now and this has at the very least made up my mind to leave Protestantism.
I would recommend looking into erick ybarra and ben Bollinger (the latter was a protestant who became EO and ultimately ended up Catholic) for more information on the orthodox vs Catholic dialogue
The lack of reverence in the protestant services never convinced me before I believed even though I really wanted to. Im orthodox now. No offense to anyone but my experience is that the catholic service was identical to the episcopal one. Look up Orthodox Kyle on the RC vs EO question too.
I would suggest that, while you look into Orthodoxy, that you also look into the Catholic Church. It is the church established by Our Lord in Matthew 16:18-19 on the rock of Saint Peter. It is the church that has remained united as "one" for two thousand years, as He prayed that we would, three times n John 17 to His Father before He went to the Garden of Gethesamane.
I'm an RC Christian who would be happy if you went either RC or EO, because you'd be getting the Sacraments either way. I do think the RC church has the fullness of truth, but, again...sacraments!! More Jesus!
@pogodonuts My biggest argument against any Christian sect outside of the Catholic Church, including Orthodoxy, is that you can't find any other Christian denomination that is so well established around the entire world like Catholicism. You might find 1 or 2 "Christian" churches of any non/denomination within any given city in any country in the world but I guarantee you'll find twice as many Catholic churches. And the services you experience within them have the exact same elements, that even if you hear Mass in another language you know exactly why you're there and which part of the service it is.
“Why don’t evangelicals longing for more reverent liturgy and a higher view of the sacraments go to classical Protestant denominations?” Your answer is on point, at least for me. I became a Lutheran for 2 years, but I struggled with answering “why Lutheran and not Anglican, Catholic, or Orthodox?” Answering that question moved me to Catholicism.
@@ghostlyyt9167 The point about Lutheran not believing it is the only true church seems odd. This doesn't really provide evidence that the Lutheran church is valid or the truth. In fact, one would expect that the True Church would call herself just that, the True Church.
@@SilverioFamilyforChrist Lutherans recognize all branches of Christianity to be part of the one true church, whether they're Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox. They don't shy away from calling themselves the one true church, they simply recognize that other denominations are likewise members of the faith - something that, historically, Catholics and Orthodox refused to do. Gavin Ortlund explains this concisely in his video "The 5 Minute Case for Protestantism".
A former Pentecostal Protestant here. There was an emptiness I would feel after leaving a service. There was something that was not fulfilling. It felt like we were worshipping the pastor and music instead of God. The Catholic faith gives reverence to the Eucharist and kneeling before God shows that we respect what he did for us. The churches are beautiful buildings too. The readings also give you a daily reminder of what you can use for your life. Adoration is a great way to pray to God and show the worship that you feel when you give thanks to God. It comes naturally when you see the importance of the Eucharist.
What's interesting is that a lot of protestants like to say that Catholics focus more on the Catholic Church than Jesus. To Catholics this is absurd of course, but the misconceptions are quite incredible.
“The Catholic faith gives reverence to the Eucharist” but does it really. I’m not Roman Catholic and primarily because of the lack of reverence offered to the Eucharist that I experienced in Roman Catholic High School, go Falcons. I would attend Mass in school and outside of it and see the Priest manipulate, divide pray over and consume his specific larger wafer and the believers would receive another wafer poured out of a plastic bag and set aside until it was distributed to the parishioners. I also noticed that sometimes the body was offered but not the blood of Christ. Four years of Catholic High School only revealed the contradictions and errors of Roman Catholicism but just one visit to an Eastern Orthodox Church revealed Truth that I couldn’t deny.
There was an exchange between Michael Knowles and Charlie Kirk on Catholicism vs Protestantism. I think Michael did a poor job in all honesty and I think I speak for many when I say I'd love to see a review of it so you can better articulate the Catholic view
I don't think there's much to be learned from a non-apologist debating a non-apologist. I like both them gentlemen quite a lot, although I prefer Michael for his style but also for the fact he's Catholic. That doesn't mean he's able to have such debates. To be fair, neither is Kirk, but maybe he's slightly better off when facing each other. They're great at debunking atheists and otherwise theologically clueless people, but since that ain't their expertise field, they'll both reach their limits at pretty much the slightest push back.
I totally agree with you. However I would like to say that I believe that Charlie caught Michael totally off guard. Michael usually does a good job. Also Charlie was prepared for blood and Michael was trying to have a friendly exchange.
Knowles’ solution to Kirk’s qualms with the Pope to just essentially not listen to him was so hand-wavey it made me cringe. Though, to be fair, all the points y’all are making about Knowles being much more amicable than Kirk, being caught off guard, etc. all played a factor.
I hope every Catholic Christian understands how Kirk’s special brand of antiCatholic hatred is cultivated in his fake 16th century church. His insanity is part of the evangelical culture. It’s a package deal go straight to heaven by spreading hate for Catholics.
I converted from protestantism back in 08. I remember that my first mass back in 07 blew my mind. I couldn't believe how short the homily was compared to a sermon in any of the protestant churches in attendees growing up. I remember that the church i grew up in did the Lord's supper every other Sunday. The church was always packed on the Sunday we have the bread, wine, or grape juice. When i found out that every mass, every time, has the eucharist was amazing.i love the joy that comes with receiving the body and blood and everytime i enter the church.
I was raised protestant and I often heard critiques of Catholicism. I support critical thinking and therefore appreciate hearing critiques of protestantism.
The issue should be the truth. This is not a game of hide and seek, it's about the do or die reality of truth and falsity. Which do you embrace? Your choice decides your fate at judgement day, so choose now .
I went to a Baptist church as a teen. They did the Lord’s Supper maybe once a year, and then if you had any sun unresolved you weren’t supposed to take it. There would be sermons about repenting and asking forgiveness. So I was like 16, and I had angry feelings against church women in their 40s who wrongly bad talked me publicly and made up stuff about me (I was a bus kid) and I went to apologize to them for being angry. They accepted the apology and didn’t apologize or repent and took the Lord’s Supper. I was stunned.
Son, grandson, nephew and cousin of sincere and faithful Baptist Pastors, I became a Catholic when I started reading the Church Fathers on topics such as the Eucharist, Baptism, the biblical canon, the unity of the Church, tradition, Apostolic authority and succession, the Papacy, Mary and the communion of Saints. There I stood, I could do no other. I wish I had done it much earlier in life...
I was Roman Catholic but reading the Church Fathers on topics such as; the Eucharist, Baptism, the biblical canon, the unity of the Church, tradition, Apostolic authority and the papacy, the Holy Theotokos (not 'Mary', please) and the communion of Saints, I HAD to become Orthodox. Here I now stand, I can do no other. I wish I had done it much earlier in life... ☦☦☦
A more reverent liturgy was probably the single biggest thing that yanked me from my lukewarm Catholicism. Since then I’ve attended more liberal masses over the years that, if comparable to Protestant services make me pity them greatly. They really have no idea about the richness and beauty they’re missing out on.
Orthodox Christian here. Very good video. Just wanted to add that when Christ says in John chapter 6, “unless ye eat my body and drink my blood, ye have no life in me,” this was not a symbol or parable. The apostles had already been given the grace to understand parables, and they didn’t see this as a parable at all. They didn’t ask him for a deeper meaning. They understood that he meant it as he said it. This is why, in verse 66, many leave him. The saying was hard, and they couldn’t accept it. It’s no wonder then, that so many people struggle with it today as well.
In fairness, see v35, and 63. "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty." "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing." I'm a Protestant who holds to the Lutheran view of communion which is very, very similar to yours. But John 6 is not the slam dunk you think it is.
@@InspironGantry Jesus is being metaphorical when He literally calls Himself "the bread of life". But then, He goes on to explain that since He is metaphorically the bread of life, He will give them His literal (no longer metaphorical) flesh to eat; hence "eat my flesh", "my flesh is real food", "whoever eats my flesh has eternal life". When He says the Spirit gives life, He is not simply saying that His words are metaphorical, but that the life giving part of Eucharist is Spiritual. It is not just flesh, but the flesh of our High Priest, the blood poured out for the forgiveness of sins.
@@InspironGantry If "the flesh counts for nothing" were about the same Flesh that Jesus told us to eat to have life, He would contradict Himself. The flesh in general indeed counts for nothing - but His Flesh is the food of eternal life.
This is such a good timing video. My little sister said their pastor talked about how important it is to worship outside of just church (which is good on its face) but when I asked her what her pastor said worship was she didn’t know and then finally said he said it was praying.
As a Protestant, I have found that Catholic Churches are very similar from church to church, but Protestant churches range greatly. I am a baptist and have found a church that I think is very good and shares the word of God very well. While I don’t agree with some Catholic teachings, they do have a stronger church system throughout. But there are still some great Protestant churches around. After reading some comments, I have realized that many people don’t like baptist churches, and they have a good reason to think that. Baptist churches are very loose on their rules and teachings, so they may vary greatly from church to church. That is why it is hard to understand Protestantism off of just one or two churches. Yes, I do believe that a lot of Protestant churches are suffering from luke-warm Christianity, but that doesn’t mean that all are. There are still some out there that greatly share the word of God and make worship meaningful and impactful.
I was a Baptist and you are right. Baptist churches vary from traditional Baptist to quasi Pentecostal. However, it was the "everybody has to be happy" and "you are meant to be blessed" that drove me away from the Evangelical and Protestantism as whole.
As a Catholic revert who has only been to a protestant service once in recent time ( kind of a long story), I have a hard time calling it church especially after seeing "Pastor" Mike Todd bring a Tesla Cybertruck into his "church"
7:30 Trent began talking about the Eucharist. I think the pandemic exposed the Protestant worship problem. Protestants had issues bringing people back to church. On the other hand, Catholics/Orthodox were more successful because of the Eucharist. Removing the altar and not believing in the literal presence of the Eucharist will take a massive hit on worship.
that and saying the only thing you need for salvation is to profess that Jesus is your personal Lord and Savior. why should i go to church if that is all salvation takes? do not be like the five foolish virgins; gaurd your oil reserves so when the bridegroom comes to take you to the wedding feast you will be ready.
There's no need for an altar. Our Lord didn't use an altar. And remember a church is not the building. You bet the Lord would be telling folks now to sell the fancy buildings and give the money to the poor. Church is the people. They can gather in hired function rooms to worship and re-enact the Lord's supper.
@@ghostlyyt9167 ghostlyyt9167 Unless you can say most Protestants believe in the literal presence (not spiritual presence) of Jesus in the form of bread, I will keep saying most Protestants. I do think Protestants' belief in the Eucharist has a negative effect on their worship.
@@ghostlyyt9167 ghostlyyt9167 I do believe most Protestants don't believe in the literal presence (not the spiritual presence of the Eucharist unless you can prove it otherwise. Even traditional Protestants don't believe in the literal presence.
^^ exactly the evangelical church I have went to has very nice singing Sunday mornings. After seeing the worship in the Catholic Church, and the voices of everyone as one choir just wow! I don’t mind just pulling up some worship music on Spotify if that’s what I’m looking for 😂.
This assumption needs to stop, yes some are very odd and don’t seem like worship, they’re just singing songs but not all are like that. Some are actually worship. It’s just simple hate to fellow brothers and sisters in Christ and it needs to stop
I understand some churches having “concert” atmosphere for worship but there are still many churches that have a genuine fear of the Lord and revere Him in worship with an attitude of humbleness and adoration to the King of kings seeking to be holy as He is holy not only in our position (children of God) but also in our actions (1 Peter 1).
I was watching Matt Fradd talk about how it can be overwhelming to become Catholic with all the info out there. Could you make a comprehensive guide to becoming Catholic? I think it would be helpful for those wanting to convert.
@@antodiyo7523 Just to be clear, I'm Catholic 😅 but i think some people could benefit from even being told to go to RCIA. They need like 7 easy steps to take, and they can get more info as they progress.
I think Erick Ybarra also wrote a blog post on this topic after his debate with Ubi Petrus. I think you should also give it a read. It's not exhaustive but it starts somewhere.
I went to Mass today and was thinking about worship as you described it. It helped me participate in the sacrifice of Christ made represent to the Father. Thanks, Trent.
As a Lutheran, I agree that the "concert and a TED talk" approach to worship is something that many attendees of evangelical churches eventually find to be quite empty and unfulfilling. However, I can't agree with the notion that in the sacrament of holy communion we are offering more than our praise and thanksgiving to God. God is offering us the body and blood of the once sacrificed Jesus, and we participate by receiving this sacrifice, just as the disciples participated in the last supper by receiving from Christ when He said take and eat, this is my body, drink, this is my blood. How can we offer God's sacrifice for us back to God? How can we offer God back to God?
Trent's line of argumentation comes across as extremely duplicitous. He claims Protestants can't possibly be worshiping without making sacrifice like the Romans do in the sacrifice of the mass. But when Papists are confronted with Hebrews 10:10 they are quite adamant that it is merely a re-presentation and not a re-sacrifice (something Trent repeatedly states in the video). By their own logic, if it is merely a re-presentation, then they aren't actually making a sacrifice, and therefore not actually worshiping.
@@M00Z1LLA If I remember correctly, on occasions when I have attended a Roman Catholic mass with friends or family, I believe that there was a prayer asking God to "accept our sacrifice." What, exactly, is this sacrifice of ours that we are asking God to accept? Also, when my Roman Catholic grandmother died some of her friends sent mass cards stating that "the sacrifice of the mass is being offered ..." I guess I'm confused about exactly what the sacrifice is that we are offering to God.
This ultimately comes down to the fact that we can't possibly offer to God what He is due, as Trent stated. The closest we can get is by gathering the whole Body of Christ together to offer praises and show devotion to God. The Eucharistic prayers reflect our desire to fulfill God's command to eat and drink His body and blood (John 6) so we offer (sacrifice) the elements of bread and wine back to Him. Then we become imitators of Christ (Eph 5) as our bodies become His home (John 17) and we ourselves receive the sacrifice for Him. Hope this helps
@@warmachine8006 So if I'm understanding you correctly, the "sacrifice" is nothing more than providing bread and wine for consecration (which is actually a weaker connection to sacrifice than the Lutheran understanding). If so, Trent is basically saying the essence of worship is providing unconsecrated bread and wine. How exactly does that invalidate Protestant worship? The only way I can see that being argued is via the Roman denial of Protestant ordination, but that's clearly not the argument Trent makes. The only way Tent's argument makes sense is if a Roman priest's work does in fact constitute a sacrifice. However that runs contrary to Rome's own explanation of Hebrews 10:10. So which is it? Does Rome contradict Hebrews 10:10 and re-sacrifice, or is Trent's argument wrong?
I adore the reverence in Catholic mass. But, there are many teachings that I simply cannot square with scripture. And I cannot in good conscious join a church I theologically disagree with.
It would be a good opportunity to delve even more deeply in the theology of the Catholic church. It is very rich and you may find something there. There is a lot of good material out there to explore.
You can try the divine uk online mass father Joseph Edattu and many other priest are teaching the Catholic Church teachings which is the Bible I believe all of your doubts will be cleared …from a former Protestant
@@leechrec I'm incredibly aware of the teachings of the Catholic church, am well versed in the catechism, sat through hours and hours of Mass in multiple countries and I come from a Catholic family. It's that I DO know what they teach and I know what's in scripture. Some things, the Catholic church is right about, but others not so much.
@@leechrec I am well versed in what the catholic church teaches. I am well versed in the catechism. I've sat through hundreds of hours of the Mass, in multiple countries and I come from a catholic family. It's actually that I DO know what they teach and how in many things, the teaching of the Catholic church is based on tradition over scripture. While tradition has it's place, it does not and should not take precedent over scripture.
@@FaithImani-xq9ek I'm going to copy/paste my reply to a similiar comment. I am well versed in what the catholic church teaches. I am well versed in the catechism. I've sat through hundreds of hours of the Mass, in multiple countries and I come from a catholic family. It's actually that I DO know what they teach and how in many things, the teaching of the Catholic church is based on tradition over scripture. While tradition has it's place, it does not and should not take precedent over scripture.
There is a reason, why protestants accuse us of worshipping saints, reason is they associate praise with worship since they don't have actual sacrificial worship.
@DPK5201 exactly, christ offer that one true timeless sacrifice for eternity, since heaven don't have time. Our high priest Christ took that sacrifice to timeless heaven directly. Hence we draw from it our nourishment for soul. Hebrews 8:1-2 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being. Serves is present tense. He being in heaven is eternal sacrifice. That's why John seen in revelation 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. In case of temple sacrifice, one needs to eat the part of offering to participate in worship, if you don't eat the flesh and blood of Christ, you don't participate in his worship. That's why Jesus himself said, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood. The only way we can do it is by eucharist.
As a former lifelong Protestant, I remember singing during an overly emotional "worship night" called "Singspiration" at my evangelical college and thinking to myself, "Is this really....it? This is really the peak of worship on Earth? This can't be." 9 years later, I was received into the Catholic Church.
I was a Protestant at the time and felt so exposed watching that. Joe really does not get enough credit. He's like a surgeon meticulously cutting down all your Protestant traditions
I attended a non-denomi national for years as a non-believer. I wished to believe, but I was never convinced. I gave up, but many years later, I started to go to church again because I had had children, and I didn’t want them to be non believers like me. I spent some time looking and eventually ended up at an Orth odox Ch urch. I never expected to be converted by this point, but I was, after only a couple of years, and my husband too and we were all baptized, us and our 4 sons. In retrospect, I felt the prote stants never acted like it was that serious. They didn’t behave as though it was the most important thing, and there was a lack of reverence. It was treated more like a social club, and the wors hip was an afterthought. So it didn’t seem true because they didn’t act like it was. Now, knowing the Devine Liturgy, I am not surprised I wasn't convinced by the social club style.
I was raised an evangelical and converted when I was 17. After I’d come home from Mass my mom would ask me about the homily. One day I had to point out that Catholics don’t go to Mass to hear preaching-there are other avenues for that-but rather we go to Mass to worship God.
Trent thank you for what you and others do. Your podcast played no small part in me moving to full communion with the Catholic Church and confirmation this Easter.
It is re-presented. We need to think how 1st century Jews thought and not how we think today! When Jews (Jesus Christ) said do this in remembrance of me, he was creating a new and everlasting covenant. Covenants for first century, Jews, and for us today are fully binding and must be observed. Let's not forget the apostles were writing as first century Jews, not as 21st century people. Jesus was fulfilling the Old Testament, and not starting a whole new different way of thinking about God, He was including all his children Jew and gentile, and at times correcting and adding to what was already observed.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God. Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine.Psalm 110:4 - this is the prophecy that Jesus will be the eternal priest and king in the same manner as this mysterious priest Melchizedek. This prophecy requires us to look for an eternal bread and wine sacrifice in the future. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Eucharistic sacrifice of the Catholic Church. Malachi 1:11 - this is a prophecy of a pure offering that will be offered in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting. Thus, there will be only one sacrifice, but it will be offered in many places around the world. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Catholic Church in the Masses around the world, where the sacrifice of Christ which transcends time and space is offered for our salvation. If this prophecy is not fulfilled by the Catholic Church, then Malachi is a false prophet. A re presentation not a re sacrifice That has never been taught by the Church. It is an invention of anti Catholic and Orthodox
Pastor Francis Chan has such a profound, sublime yearning for Eucharist (15:14) ... He's like a man drowning in the sea, with the Catholic lifeboat begging him to come aboard, but he wants to do it *his* way. I pray he doesn't continue to miss the boat. 🙏🌹
I recently started my journey to Eastern Orthodox, but Trent is probably one of my favorite apologists, his voice is a really nice one to have playing in the background.
I am non-denominational, but go to a Catholic church. There is something abut the formality of Catholic churches that feels much more sacred. It's refreshing to go to a place where it isn't about me or anyone else that shows up. There is definitely a disconnect in how Christians view the purpose of church. Protestants want community, Catholics want to worship. Protestant churches need people to function, while Catholic churches could run Mass without anyone there. If a church needs people, it will naturally pander to people's needs. It should be a surprise to no one that is this the state of the church, as we are living in, probably, the most self-centered age of American history.
Actually the Catholic mass requires a number of people it's just that they all do their service in the background making Jesus the center of attention.
Exceptional video Trent. I am always drawn to your videos by the high quality and thoroughness. God bless you and keep doing great things for our church🙏
I've never heard I or me preached at any church I've went to. What I don't hear from Catholics is Jesus. I hear about Mary, the Pope, and dogma. Check everything at the door and chant for an hour. I just went to an event celebrated by Mexican Catholics regarding the return of the magi. 15 minutes of chants with people rolling their eyes and yawning followed by passing around a statue of Jesus and kissing it. Nope.
@@miltonhayek2494 In Catholicism, speaking is not a form of worship, which is the point of this video. Literally everything in the Mass is about Jesus. "Mexicans rolling their eyes and yawning" What were you doing in a place of worship judging people's race and facial expressions? Second, why are you looking around at other people during a religious ceremony?
The main premise of this presentation is that Protestants convert to Catholicism given the primacy of the Eucharist over the Sermon in the Catholic church. Prior to the early church fathers, there was the Bible. In Acts 2:42, the baptized believers devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. There seems to be no supremacy of either over the other. In fact, the Apostle Paul himself conducted extensive sermons following the breaking of bread (Acts 20:7).The primacy of the Eucharist is closely tied to the concept of transubstantiation, the conversion of the bread and wine to Jesus’ body and blood and that we are instructed to consume it (Luke 22:19-20) lest we have no life (John 6:53). However, this is refuted by John 6:63 where Jesus makes the case that it is spiritual nourishment that sustains us. Furthermore, believers in Corinth became drunk in the wine (1 Corinthians 11:21) something that blood would not cause. So, we are left with magnum mysterium, the bread and wine are transformed in essence, not in substance, into Jesus’ body and blood. That is an act of faith. As far as the reverse flow from Catholicism to Protestantism or other things, this is a major problem that the church fails to address. According to Pew research, the main reasons given by people who leave the church to become Protestant are that their “spiritual needs were not being met” in the Catholic church (71%), they found a service style they liked more (81%), and they found a religion they liked more (70%). www.ncronline.org/news/parish/hidden-exodus-catholics-becoming-protestants
This video was awesome, it really helped me understand the line between worship and praise more clearly so i can explain it to those who think we worship Mary. Seeing this difference makes me understand more why Protestants think we worship her since they have such a low standard of worship.
@@spencermackel7800 Obviously false. Catholics get Protestants who reject the Reformation so they belong back in the RCC. I live in a town with no Catholic church so I don’t know any Catholics.
@@happyappy19931sola scriptura is a self defeating doctrine. As soon as I ask what scriptures, like how do you know what belongs in the scriptura part of sola scriptura? And then everyone either goes to 1. something other then scripture like the early church or councils instead of scripture alone or 2. They quote something that talks about scripture broadly (like how they twist Paul’s writings like they do the other scriptures) which assumes what you are quoting is scripture and doesn’t answer the question. Ok so you quoted 2 Peter, but how do you know that 2 Peter is scripture that belongs in the scriptura part of sola scriptura because that quote didn’t answer the question.
@@happyappy19931 The falsehood of Sola Scriptura was the most significant reason I never considered converting to Protestantism as a former atheist (I am now a baptised Catholic). The argument that convinced me forever is that the Bible did not come first in history. The Church and Tradition existed for more than 300 years before the bible was every compiled in its current form. The Catholic Church exercised its authority on the matter and held councils to compile the Canon. The gospels of Peter, or James or Mary Magdelene were rejected and excluded from the Canon. Sola Scriptura makes zero sense in this historical context because the bible does not tell itself what is the real bible. The core doctrines of many Protestant churches are not explicitly biblical, such as the doctrine of the Trinity, the full humanity and full divinity of Christ. These matters of doctrine were ironed out by the Church through multiple councils and rejection of heresies before the bible even existed. As for Sola Fide, this was Luther's creation in the 1500's. If you look into Luther's biography he was a man intensely afraid of God and had said he didn't believe God loved him (or something to that effect), he felt that nothing he could do would ever please God, therefore he didn't believe any 'works' could get him into heaven. He published his own version of the bible and inserted the word "alone" into "faith alone". After he got rid of some of the OT books, he later wanted to get rid of the Book of Revelation, Hebrews, James and Jude because they didn't agree with his theology of Sola Fide. It was his followers that rejected this idea, otherwise those NT books would have been removed from Protestant bibles
@@TheKj85 Simple, the church was reliable on teaching for centuries, and later on became corrupt. This is exactly happened with its finances; it was basically infallible in Acts 4, but few would argue that it is now.
How do you handle the RC doctrines of purgatory and indulgences? Of papal supremacy? of Marian dogmas? You got rid of Sola Scriptura and Sola fide but gained other dogmas.
The reason that evangelical services are not really worship is that the primary direction of Protestant worship is descending from God to man, a receptivity in faith to the proclamation of the Word, which then builds up the community of believers for living a Christian life. It's not an offering to God, not sacrifice. Protestantism tends to see anything like "the sacred" as a Judaizing or even paganizing notion. Certain strands of modern theology, such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer's idea of "religionless Christianity", carry that a step further, to the implicit secularization of the Christian message, with the end of any notion of a sacrificing priesthood. For many evangelicals, the very word "religion" is almost a dirty word, suggesting Judaism and paganism. The way that Luther pitted Law (Old Testament priesthood, sacrifice, etc.) against the Gospel of Christ tends to the overthrow of anything like an offering to God. More recently, an evangelical theologian, Dr Tom Wadsworth, specifically declares that the very idea of "worship" is alien to New Testament Christianity and should be rejected. He has some extensive RUclips videos on this issue. He sees the development of Catholic worship as a corruption that misapplies Old Testament cultic ideas to the Christian assembly. Wadsworth thinks evangelical worship is still too much focused on worship. For those who follow that Protestant line of thought, the end of the Temple and the death of Christ mean the abolition of all worship, of cultus. That is more radical than the Protestant Reformers would have accepted, but this reflects the trajectory of their thought. Yes, contemporary evangelicals who are dissatisfied with the anthropocentrism and horizontal focus of evangelical worship could rediscover classical Protestant worship. But once they affirm the validity of "worship" for Christians, that leads back to Catholicism.
And when the Eucharist is central, reverential actions become normal: processing, bowing, kneeling, fasting, professing creeds, pronouncing the Lord’s Prayer.
But do you see it just a symbol or really the body and blood of Jesus? If it is really the body and blood of Jesus, then how is it consecrated? Most importantly, who gave the person who consecrated the host the authority?
Another fantastic video, Trent! God bless you, and thank you for your incredible work! It is individuals like you who God has presented in my life who have helped guide me on my journey back to the Catholic Church!
I wouldn't spend time arguing about who is more biblically accurate. I see protestants are taking greater risks and effort in defending the gospel and going against false religion.
Here’s my problem, I listen to guys like Trent, Jimmy Akin, and Joe Heschmeyer and think man that makes a lot of sense…I’m ready to become catholic. But then I’ll go and listen to guys like Gavin Ortlund or Jordan Cooper and think…nah I’m good where I’m at. Dear Lord please help me!
I was the same way brother I know how you feel I was a Protestant looking into Catholicism and I looked at all the facts a lot of these apologists are not charitable they sometimes misinterpret history to point them to there view but you need to look at the history and decide for yourself
Hello, Catholic here. I hear you. Please know that God is with you, no matter where you are. He will guide you. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. God bless you.
I know even the position this video essay takes will stir controversy in the comments, but, as a Protestant, let me say how gentle, true, fair and reasonable this comes across to me. This is well-received and welcome. It is both teaching and a confirmation. Thank you.
New Catholic here too from last Easter. I'm absolutely loving it and am so pleased that the Holy Spirit led me back home to the Catholic church. That's exactly what it feels like - home.
My experience of protestant church was a worship of the pastor rather than of God, and on a lesser level looking for the right combination of music and services to make the congregants happy.
Catholics that leave their faith is because they don’t know it, usually. If we really want the truth we need to learn everything we can about why our religion is the truth, without fear, God will take us to there. His son founded the Catholic Church.
They leave because catholics pray to statues of saints and images of Mary. Jesus is the only way the truth and the life. No one, not Mary or the roman catholic saints comes through Him. Catholics dont focus on Jesus.
@@eldrickzero4885silly tales. Statues are just plaster. God ordered Solomons temple decorated w them. I love how prots think it's ok to pray to flesh humans, but get upset when Catholics pray to the saints in heaven. The saints are more alive than your friends and family. And why exactly are you praying to them for intercession instead of going straight to God? I thought you didn't approve of biblical mandate to offer intercessory prayer.
I am EO but very low church protestants have one big advantage: they can do missionary work and establish simple home churches in every country even in north korea. EO can not or is not doing nothing in most countires.
This is something missionary Catholic priests have an easier time with. As far back as the English Reformation, you had Catholic priests going into the country and celebrating mass in homes. Some homes actually built priest holes which were hidden rooms in places like behind fireplaces or in The gables for the priest to hide during the Elizabethan persecution.
@@gabrielgabriel5177while we disagree on these issues, I'm not really arguing about Catholics versus Orthodox just saying that in our tradition it is easier to do a house church at need.
They also have the "advantage" that being a practicing protestant is much easier than being Catholic or EO. They don't really have to carry their cross in the same way as us. Of course, that is actually their biggest disadvantage, as they're missing out on Sanctification to a very large degree. But it makes missionary work much easier - it's hard to convince most people, especially those trapped in hedonistic Atheism, to actually repent. It's much easier to just have them pray the sinner's prayer and go to a concert from time to time. They can go out and "save" multiple people in just one day, for us it often takes months and even years.
@@trosenthal3711 You know this whole discussion about house churches reminds me of Father Z answering a question about if you need an alb or not. If you're say a Dominican. He of course says yes you do but then goes on to say something to the effect and I'm paraphrasing here "you should also memorize a few votive masses, you won't have a missal or an alb when you are sent to the camps".
I'm an Anglican. This video is well argued and well done over all. I don't agree with everything, but this is an important video for Protestants to watch and consider.
If from the Catholic position, the Protestants have a worship problem, how would you reconcile Pope Francis' statement that all religions are paths to God, likened to different languages?
I was raised Baptist and now attend a non denomination Church. The “concert” is praise and worship. The songs we sing are declarations and decrees, they are praises of the up most highest. We are praising our King of Kings, our Savior, our Lord with out-stretched hands. You can feel the Holy Spirit like a wind when we praise. People cry with joy, children are at the alter on their knees praising. It’s incredible. We believe church is the people not a building. Our “TED” talk comes after communion that we take extremely seriously. Our pastors teach, always starting with the Greek and Hebrew to get a better understanding. We dig through the Old Testament to gain wisdom. We are a hungry group of believes for The Lord.
My family is protestant (mainly due to upbringing), but we went to a Catholic Church on Christmas Day because my church - to my family's great disappointment - didn't have a Christmas service. We will be pushing our pastor next year, it's unacceptable.
Try an Orthodox Liturgy on Christmas, too! We typically only have it at midnight, but hopefully you can come and see the reverence and beauty of our prayer and mystical understanding of the Lord ☦️
Protestant here (CMA). I just wanted to express my appreciation for your calm and respectful words, Trent. I was born, baptized and raised in the Catholic faith and still have reverence for it even as someone who left that faith decades ago. I
I am a cradle Catholic who was attending a Mega Church. I got disgusted with the lack of reverant prayer, lack of communion, and that I knew how my pastor was voting, but felt no worth as a woman... well, less worth. Catholicism called me back and I feel closer to Jesus Christ through prayer and Eucharist.
I'm an orthodox catechumen end this video was extremely helpful to me in explaining our views because I don't think you said anything in this particular video that wouldn't also applied to orthodox
@ songs and prayers are all considered worship. As can be the Eucharist and tithing. But I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say that the sermon is the centre or main form of worship. Of course, listening to the word of God and obeying is an act of sacrifice to God and so can be viewed as worship too.
Thank you, Trent, for your video. I agree with most of what you said; as a Traditional Lutheran Pastor, not in one of the main line heretical organizations, the eucharist IS the center and climax of the worship service. I also agree that today's evangelicalism is nothing more than a "Bad rock concert followed by a TED talk." But I think that it's disingenuous to lump true protestants (those who were actually part of the Reformation: Lutheran, Calvin, and Anglican) with all those who came after and can be called evangelical and using these terms interchangeably; they are not and have never been the same thing. There are many similarities between the Roman and Lutheran churches, and there is an ongoing dialogue with both Rome and the World Lutheran Federation, with only the issue of the Eucharist still remaining a dividing point. I would even say that, in many ways, Traditional Confessional Lutherans are closer to Catholicism than the Orthodox church (See the filioque as one of many examples). Again, I thank you for your video, and I will continue to watch and learn.
Oh, you should see how the Lutheran Church has devolved here in Norway. I would probably never have found the Catholic Church, if it hadn't been for the persistent hatred of tradition in the Lutheran Church. At this point, I am surprised if a new bishop is not both female and lesbian. But, I suppose you actually follow Luther, so this criticism is not directed toward you. However, it must be disconcerting to see how almost ALL the old reformed churches are falling into deep, deep heresies. Even if I knew that there were some faithful Lutherans in America, it would not have helped me stay in that tradition - it simply felt too fragile.
I’m Lutheran. We have a very traditional liturgy and sing hymns. It’s not a rock concert. It’s honoring God and not about us. Lumping all Protestants together isn’t accurate. Thank you for noting the evangelical/protestant difference.
I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy from southern Baptist, I was baptized in Romania in October. Once I learned about Eastern Orthodoxy, church history, tradition and stepped foot into a church it had an huge impact on me, never felt closer to God.
A friend and I, both Protestant, were discussing how we both see an emptiness in modern contemporary worship, but we couldn’t put a finger on why. Then this video popped up on my feed the next day. Thank you, Trent
The emptiness is in the rectory, where there are comparatively few priests who aren't senior citizens in the US. When I was a young man there were three full time priests in the rectory of my parish. They used to call me to come babysit the rectory if they all had to go out at the same time, because my house was so close. Now the rectory building has been torn down and Mass is said by an immigrant priest who arrives from another town.
Before running to Papism and rejecting all of your theological beliefs, stop attending a fake Protestant church and go to an actual one … Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, etc.
That is how it feels when the Spirit of God has departed. You should examine yourselves to discover what went wrong. Otherwise you will find yourself with the same emptiness even when you move to other denominations.
It is the holyspirit who is missing,the Catholic church is equally missing the holy spirit as well
To me this means that church does not walk by the spirit and invite the spirit in worship, yeah it’s just praise on the songs but if there’s nothing in the spirit it’s not worship. You can go to some and see it’s real worship and some are not due to their lack of spirit in the church. Thats really all it is. And yes that can be due to denying the presence in the Eucharist.
I think the issue for some Protestants is thinking it’s cannibalism but all it is, is just the real presence of Jesus in it. If the majority of Protestants can agree on this. Catholics and orthodox will see them as equal.
I'm a protestant and despise the "Jesus is my boyfriend" music played in a lot of churches. It's one thing to have lively music, but it also needs to be thelogically sound.
Well, you're welcome in the Church. Consider coming home!
Jesus is my boyfriend music, I’ve never heard it described like that
The medium is the message
Jesus is my Boyfriend? Just say your a catholic man pretending to be protestant.
@jahbee6317 Oh man, that descriptor is both hilarious and accurate. My mother is a high-church Lutheran and the vast majority of music that gets played at her church is classic Lutheran hymns. Honestly, I think high-church Protestantism is closer to Catholicism than it is to low-church Protestantism.
As a former lifelong Protestant, it was questions like these “ why do Catholics believe what they believe“ and “ what does it mean to worship?” . It was Catholic answers (Trent and Jimny) that finally gave me the clarity. I came home to the Holy Catholic Church Easter 2024!! Glory be to God!
Welcome home!
Welcome home!
Welcome home! :)
Amén, 🙏🙏🙏
Hate to break the news to you but the "Holy Catholic Church" is Protestant. Are you saying you came home to the Protestant church or did you convert to "Roman Pope worship"?
It's simple.
Mainline Protestants: trad worship matters
Evangelicals: shut up, Pharisee
Next generation of Evangelicals: This contemporary worship sucks I'm going Catholic
As someone who grew up in a traditional IFB church, then visited mostly traditional Lutheran, Anglican, and Presbyterian churches in college, I'm still drawn to Catholicism over the worship problem, among other exegetical and theological concerns.
Certainly some are as you describe, but not all
Be honest RZ! What does the pew research center show? What do US Catholics think about Eucharist? Not just Protestant issue.
We have to stop pretending like catholics are perfect or that people not on youtube are converting at the rates youtube videos would indicate. I live in a very catholic dominant part of the US and can't even remember the last time a catholic could articulate the gospel, I love my catholic brothers and sisters but the yt catholic ortho hate on protestant party is a joke to anyone who actually encounters and does life with them
@@jaypritchard7122 exactly...70 percent of Catholics don't even believe in transubstantiation.
@jaypritchard7122 man I live in a very catholic dominant part of the US and can't even remember the last a catholic could really articulate or defend the faith, not to mention cared whether someone was going to die outside of Christ. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters, but as someone who interacts, works, and does life with them we have to stop pretending like any of the catholics rocks protestants suck applies anywhere except youtube, none of this imagined mass conversion is happening in the real world
Hello Trent! I converted to Catholicism from the Baptist church just last year. I have to thank you for your content because it has been a huge aid in developing my understanding of Catholic teaching and doctrine. I can say that attending Mass was the singular thing that convinced me to convert after having considered converting (but holding back due to apprehension over what that conversion would require) for many years. Baptist services always felt so empty to me. I thought that that was the only way you could do "church." I never knew what I was missing until I attended Mass. I just knew there was something I was missing. I get some flack from my family over my conversion, but my wish now is that they would join me. They don't know what they're missing either. I was once desperately trying to drink from a well that was drying quicker than I could satisfy my thirst, and I am now drinking from a well that is over flowing.
Welcome home. Please, keep learning and strive for holiness. Conversion is just the beginning.
Man I’ll pray for your family. My wife was southern Baptist and she did it for me. I was presbyterian before I came home.
Welcome home!
@@d3adp94 I really appreciate that- my boyfriend played a major role in my conversion, so I relate haha
I had the same experience to a T this year! I’ll be praying for you!
I was in Toronto recently, and every protestant cathedral we passed had a pride flag out front except the Catholic cathedral. Made me proud
The issue is mainline protestantism was the next target of infiltration after academia, the workplace and scouting
Glory be to God, and to Jesus’s church. 🙏🙏🙏
What other parts of Mosaic Law do you keep?
I’m Catholic but you are correct wish someone would do a deep dive into this issue
Come see some of the Catholic cathedrals in California… plenty of pride support
Nothing is "driving them away," the truth is pulling them into its arms.
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Both/and
Well said
🙏🙏🙏
What is salvation?
How does one get born again?
Converted from Protestantism to Catholicism because I had a deep sense of what you just articulated.
Proudly a Catholic convert.
Welcome home!
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Thank you. I have been home for some years now.
you should read 1 Corinthians 1:10-13
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1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (RSV-C)
_“I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brethren. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”_
Yeah, what about it?
You converted to Rome over worship knowing there are other options such as old Catholic, orthodox, evangelical Catholic (Lutherans), Anglican. How did you square aligning the papal infallibility and Mary dogmas with Scripture and church history/tradition?
I'm Orthodox, but this video is spectacular. I'm sharing it everywhere I can.
Thanks Trent
Time for Orthodoxy! ☦☦☦
I went to a funeral mass over the weekend. The man we buried was the last remaining sibling of my father-in-law. He was a devout Catholic and had a lovely family he doted over.
I noticed during the mass, most of the family sitting in front of us had no idea what they were doing in the mass. They didn’t come up for communion. My heart ached to witness this falling away. A good portion of those people go to Protestant churches now, while the others have abandoned any faith whatsoever. They don’t feel fulfilled in the Catholic Church. I’m a convert the other direction. I have found the treasure in the field. I am amazed at how anyone could have such a treasure and forsake it. But so too did Judas walk with Christ and yet he was lost.
This is the result of poor catechesis, which has been a problem for the past 50-60 years. At least they knew not to go up for communion, which only Catholics in the state of grace are allowed to do.
God doesn't have grandchildren 😢
I fear that man will have no one to remember him in their prayer or have masses said for him.
Eternal Memory! Вечная Рамять!
I relate to this. There’s so much treasure in Catholicism, but it’s sold short and that’s why people leave it. I honestly think the liturgy is a big part of this. The mass has been stripped of a lot like the sacred language of Latin, the sacred music of Gregorian chant and polyphony, ad oriented, incense, and just solemnity in general. I think when we sell the mass short, it sells the rest of the faith short, and people think they’ve seen all that the Church has to offer.
If you go to a Latin Mass parish though, you’re immersed in a beautiful, traditional and, more importantly, reverent and solemn mass. If you go long enough, it’s only a matter of time before you’re immersed in the traditions of the Church and you see everything to offer. Because the Mass is traditional, it connects you to the traditions of the past where there is so much good.
This is just what I’ve concluded based on my own experience and also seeing Catholics leave the church and asking them and myself why
"But so too did Judas walk with Christ and yet he was lost."
Are you sure? Theologians have fiercely debated for 2,000 years whether Judas was carrying out God's plan or not.
@ if Christ is God, can Judas betray God while also following God?
"Cheap concert with a Ted Talk" so perfectly sums up my experience at a baptist church
@@shoptalk7 "Cheap concert with a Ted Talk" so perfectly sums up my experience at a Novus Ordo church.
@@MichaelBlufordoh brother
@@MichaelBluford dang you missed the worship of God in Norvus Ordo?
@@MichaelBluford you aren't fooling anyone - we all know the aesthetic sanctity of Catholic mass, and we all know the aesthetic depravity of evangelical megachurch. Nondenominational protestantism is dying because its corny and doesn't feel sanctified like Catholicism.
@@MichaelBlufordthis is a blasphemous thing to say about a Mass where Christ is present. May God have mercy on your soul.
As a former protestant, Tradition and Eucharist is what brought me to the Catholic Church. I got tired of modern worship. I needed something more, I needed the Eucharist. Nothing wrong with modern worship music, or even dancing before the Lord, but I do that on my own, in my home and car.
Yeah you needed the Eucharist because You don’t have the Holy Ghost. So fill up on y’all Eucharist
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Or because that was Jesus teached in John 6.
Great that you found a place that's more historic and sacramental. But you didn't need to leave protestantism to do so.
Lutheranism is exactly that while also having the positives of protestantism.
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What are the 'positives' of Protestantism?
@@matthiashellwig2536 Without the divine priesthood instituted by Jesus Christ in his one true church with 2,000 years of unbroken apostolic succession and their consecration of the host at the holy mass, yours is just a cracker and grape juice no matter how convicted you are. Most definitely not the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ.
Orthodox viewer here. Well said, Trent! In the Divine Liturgy, the priest holds the Eucharist chalice aloft and chants, "Thine own of Thine own we offer unto Thee on behalf of all, and for all."
Thanks for informing the readers who have not experienced the Byzantine Divine Liturgy.
Trent and his family attended / attends a Uniate church in the Byzantine Rite.
Similarly, in the Mass, at the end of the Roman Canon, the priest elevates the Eucharist and chants/sings: “Through Him, and with Him, and in Him, O God, Almighty Father, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour is Yours, for ever and ever.”
(Contextually, the “Him” in that line is referring to God the Son, Jesus Christ)
Wow I want to experience this❤
Time for Orthodoxy! ☦☦☦
I went to Latin Mass for the first time yesterday. As someone with an evangelical background, this question has bothered me quite greatly. And I've been thinking about nonstop since yesterday. This video was very timely for me.
Thank you.
I'm a catholic and been to modern mass and latin mass and I can really say that the Latin Mass is very different and is much more solemn than the modern mass.
I hope you had an enjoyable experience! I’m sure it’s a bit of a culture shock coming from evangelical style worship 😅 But it’s great to see you exploring our Catholic tradition. God bless you!
bless you sister. i will pray for thee that god might sheweth thee the way.
@@hannahreneart If you have a serious intention, NO Mass can be just as spiritual as LM. It's also instructive to recall that Latin was at one time the vulgar idiom and it was Greek that held sway in the Mass.
@@rhwinner The problem is that you have to go out of your way in the NO in a way that you simply don’t in the TLM. I have been to good and edifying NO Masses, but I’ve never been to a distracting or irreverent TLM!
This video pretty much encapsulates why I was a Protestant to a converting Catholic.
I cannot wait to receive the Eucharist for the first time this upcoming April!!!
Take .. no
Receive .. yes
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Amen.
Praise God!
Amen Amen, thanks be to God❤️
Blessings!
As a non-denom protestant who has been living in a foreign country for the past 6 months, I agree so much with this. After needing a translator for all the sermons here, I was excited to go back home for Christmas and worship in my own language with the body of Christ at my home church. However, when I went to Christmas Eve service, we sang one song together, were told to take a seat, then sat and listened to several performances and a short sermon. I was incredibly disappointed. I've been looking into Orthodoxy for a while now and this has at the very least made up my mind to leave Protestantism.
I would recommend looking into erick ybarra and ben Bollinger (the latter was a protestant who became EO and ultimately ended up Catholic) for more information on the orthodox vs Catholic dialogue
The lack of reverence in the protestant services never convinced me before I believed even though I really wanted to. Im orthodox now. No offense to anyone but my experience is that the catholic service was identical to the episcopal one. Look up Orthodox Kyle on the RC vs EO question too.
I would suggest that, while you look into Orthodoxy, that you also look into the Catholic Church. It is the church established by Our Lord in Matthew 16:18-19 on the rock of Saint Peter. It is the church that has remained united as "one" for two thousand years, as He prayed that we would, three times n John 17 to His Father before He went to the Garden of Gethesamane.
I'm an RC Christian who would be happy if you went either RC or EO, because you'd be getting the Sacraments either way.
I do think the RC church has the fullness of truth, but, again...sacraments!! More Jesus!
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My biggest argument against any Christian sect outside of the Catholic Church, including Orthodoxy, is that you can't find any other Christian denomination that is so well established around the entire world like Catholicism.
You might find 1 or 2 "Christian" churches of any non/denomination within any given city in any country in the world but I guarantee you'll find twice as many Catholic churches.
And the services you experience within them have the exact same elements, that even if you hear Mass in another language you know exactly why you're there and which part of the service it is.
“Why don’t evangelicals longing for more reverent liturgy and a higher view of the sacraments go to classical Protestant denominations?” Your answer is on point, at least for me. I became a Lutheran for 2 years, but I struggled with answering “why Lutheran and not Anglican, Catholic, or Orthodox?” Answering that question moved me to Catholicism.
Lutheran because it doesn’t believe it’s the only true church, believes in salvation by faith alone, and many other historical Christian beliefs
@@ghostlyyt9167 The point about Lutheran not believing it is the only true church seems odd. This doesn't really provide evidence that the Lutheran church is valid or the truth. In fact, one would expect that the True Church would call herself just that, the True Church.
Why Rome and not EO?
@@SilverioFamilyforChrist Because they they dont have that imperialist Roman mindset that all non-Romans are damned.
@@SilverioFamilyforChrist Lutherans recognize all branches of Christianity to be part of the one true church, whether they're Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox. They don't shy away from calling themselves the one true church, they simply recognize that other denominations are likewise members of the faith - something that, historically, Catholics and Orthodox refused to do. Gavin Ortlund explains this concisely in his video "The 5 Minute Case for Protestantism".
Thank you Trent for another great video! Very informative for this cradle Catholic. God bless you!
A former Pentecostal Protestant here. There was an emptiness I would feel after leaving a service. There was something that was not fulfilling. It felt like we were worshipping the pastor and music instead of God. The Catholic faith gives reverence to the Eucharist and kneeling before God shows that we respect what he did for us. The churches are beautiful buildings too. The readings also give you a daily reminder of what you can use for your life.
Adoration is a great way to pray to God and show the worship that you feel when you give thanks to God. It comes naturally when you see the importance of the Eucharist.
What's interesting is that a lot of protestants like to say that Catholics focus more on the Catholic Church than Jesus. To Catholics this is absurd of course, but the misconceptions are quite incredible.
“The Catholic faith gives reverence to the Eucharist” but does it really. I’m not Roman Catholic and primarily because of the lack of reverence offered to the Eucharist that I experienced in Roman Catholic High School, go Falcons. I would attend Mass in school and outside of it and see the Priest manipulate, divide pray over and consume his specific larger wafer and the believers would receive another wafer poured out of a plastic bag and set aside until it was distributed to the parishioners. I also noticed that sometimes the body was offered but not the blood of Christ. Four years of Catholic High School only revealed the contradictions and errors of Roman Catholicism but just one visit to an Eastern Orthodox Church revealed Truth that I couldn’t deny.
The kind of worship did it for me, I should be a member of the one true church this Easter, God willing 🙏
Praise God!
The true church is the body of Christ
@ exactly!
There was an exchange between Michael Knowles and Charlie Kirk on Catholicism vs Protestantism. I think Michael did a poor job in all honesty and I think I speak for many when I say I'd love to see a review of it so you can better articulate the Catholic view
I don't think there's much to be learned from a non-apologist debating a non-apologist. I like both them gentlemen quite a lot, although I prefer Michael for his style but also for the fact he's Catholic. That doesn't mean he's able to have such debates. To be fair, neither is Kirk, but maybe he's slightly better off when facing each other.
They're great at debunking atheists and otherwise theologically clueless people, but since that ain't their expertise field, they'll both reach their limits at pretty much the slightest push back.
Yeah that was a hard watch.. hope Trent responds
I totally agree with you. However I would like to say that I believe that Charlie caught Michael totally off guard. Michael usually does a good job. Also Charlie was prepared for blood and Michael was trying to have a friendly exchange.
Knowles’ solution to Kirk’s qualms with the Pope to just essentially not listen to him was so hand-wavey it made me cringe. Though, to be fair, all the points y’all are making about Knowles being much more amicable than Kirk, being caught off guard, etc. all played a factor.
I hope every Catholic Christian understands how Kirk’s special brand of antiCatholic hatred is cultivated in his fake 16th century church. His insanity is part of the evangelical culture. It’s a package deal go straight to heaven by spreading hate for Catholics.
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Merry Christmas!
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Your explanation is why I came back into the Catholic church.
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I converted from protestantism back in 08. I remember that my first mass back in 07 blew my mind. I couldn't believe how short the homily was compared to a sermon in any of the protestant churches in attendees growing up.
I remember that the church i grew up in did the Lord's supper every other Sunday. The church was always packed on the Sunday we have the bread, wine, or grape juice.
When i found out that every mass, every time, has the eucharist was amazing.i love the joy that comes with receiving the body and blood and everytime i enter the church.
This comment made me shed a tear. I need to go to confession. I need the Eucharist. I'm starving for Christ.
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I was raised protestant and I often heard critiques of Catholicism. I support critical thinking and therefore appreciate hearing critiques of protestantism.
But what have you learned about reading the Bible and worshiping God?
Thanks for being open minded.
The issue should be the truth. This is not a game of hide and seek, it's about the do or die reality of truth and falsity. Which do you embrace? Your choice decides your fate at judgement day, so choose now .
Thank you Trent. You and other fellow Catholics apologists are one of the reasons why I went back to my Catholic faith 💪✝️
I went to a Baptist church as a teen. They did the Lord’s Supper maybe once a year, and then if you had any sun unresolved you weren’t supposed to take it. There would be sermons about repenting and asking forgiveness. So I was like 16, and I had angry feelings against church women in their 40s who wrongly bad talked me publicly and made up stuff about me (I was a bus kid) and I went to apologize to them for being angry. They accepted the apology and didn’t apologize or repent and took the Lord’s Supper. I was stunned.
I grew up Baptist. I understand your comment. Baptists are their own worst enemy.
Now not to discourage you, but there are sinners on Catholic Church as well, not everyone actually is a convert by heart.
What do you mean? We're all sinners!@@bruno-bnvm
Son, grandson, nephew and cousin of sincere and faithful Baptist Pastors, I became a Catholic when I started reading the Church Fathers on topics such as the Eucharist, Baptism, the biblical canon, the unity of the Church, tradition, Apostolic authority and succession, the Papacy, Mary and the communion of Saints. There I stood, I could do no other. I wish I had done it much earlier in life...
I was Roman Catholic but reading the Church Fathers on topics such as; the Eucharist, Baptism, the biblical canon, the unity of the Church, tradition, Apostolic authority and the papacy, the Holy Theotokos (not 'Mary', please) and the communion of Saints, I HAD to become Orthodox. Here I now stand, I can do no other. I wish I had done it much earlier in life... ☦☦☦
I can't believe I watched your video from start to end non stop, you're doing a really great work man, I thank God for your life❤
Thinking and open minded Protestants realize that the letters of Ignatius of Antioch, of Clement, and the works of Justin are thoroughly Catholic
A more reverent liturgy was probably the single biggest thing that yanked me from my lukewarm Catholicism. Since then I’ve attended more liberal masses over the years that, if comparable to Protestant services make me pity them greatly. They really have no idea about the richness and beauty they’re missing out on.
Orthodox Christian here. Very good video. Just wanted to add that when Christ says in John chapter 6, “unless ye eat my body and drink my blood, ye have no life in me,” this was not a symbol or parable. The apostles had already been given the grace to understand parables, and they didn’t see this as a parable at all. They didn’t ask him for a deeper meaning. They understood that he meant it as he said it. This is why, in verse 66, many leave him. The saying was hard, and they couldn’t accept it. It’s no wonder then, that so many people struggle with it today as well.
In fairness, see v35, and 63.
"I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing."
I'm a Protestant who holds to the Lutheran view of communion which is very, very similar to yours. But John 6 is not the slam dunk you think it is.
@@samlawhorn Jesus is also reported to have said “I am the door”. Does that mean he was made of cellulose?
@@InspironGantry Jesus is being metaphorical when He literally calls Himself "the bread of life". But then, He goes on to explain that since He is metaphorically the bread of life, He will give them His literal (no longer metaphorical) flesh to eat; hence "eat my flesh", "my flesh is real food", "whoever eats my flesh has eternal life". When He says the Spirit gives life, He is not simply saying that His words are metaphorical, but that the life giving part of Eucharist is Spiritual. It is not just flesh, but the flesh of our High Priest, the blood poured out for the forgiveness of sins.
@@InspironGantry If "the flesh counts for nothing" were about the same Flesh that Jesus told us to eat to have life, He would contradict Himself. The flesh in general indeed counts for nothing - but His Flesh is the food of eternal life.
@@JS_Guitar09Tell me what you think v35 means.
This is such a good timing video. My little sister said their pastor talked about how important it is to worship outside of just church (which is good on its face) but when I asked her what her pastor said worship was she didn’t know and then finally said he said it was praying.
As a Protestant, I have found that Catholic Churches are very similar from church to church, but Protestant churches range greatly. I am a baptist and have found a church that I think is very good and shares the word of God very well. While I don’t agree with some Catholic teachings, they do have a stronger church system throughout. But there are still some great Protestant churches around.
After reading some comments, I have realized that many people don’t like baptist churches, and they have a good reason to think that. Baptist churches are very loose on their rules and teachings, so they may vary greatly from church to church. That is why it is hard to understand Protestantism off of just one or two churches.
Yes, I do believe that a lot of Protestant churches are suffering from luke-warm Christianity, but that doesn’t mean that all are. There are still some out there that greatly share the word of God and make worship meaningful and impactful.
I was a Baptist and you are right. Baptist churches vary from traditional Baptist to quasi Pentecostal. However, it was the "everybody has to be happy" and "you are meant to be blessed" that drove me away from the Evangelical and Protestantism as whole.
As a Catholic revert who has only been to a protestant service once in recent time ( kind of a long story), I have a hard time calling it church especially after seeing "Pastor" Mike Todd bring a Tesla Cybertruck into his "church"
Almost blurted out "bro wtf" at the last part of your sentence 😂
I’m going through classes right now,I was baptist my whole life and always felt drawn to the Catholic Church, I will be confirmed this March.
Welcome home !
Welcome and God bless you, sir!
Drawn to the Catholic Church and not Jesus?
@@happyappy19931 Those who are drawn to Christ naturally want to be part of His family. It really is that simple.
@@happyappy19931 The Catholic Church is The Church Started by Jesus, that's why hes drawn to the Church.
104k in one day! Keep up the good work Mr Horn!
"A cheap concert with a TED talk."
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Cheap concert, get it right dude
@@mercado4life188 I stand corrected. Thank you.
Beware your parody of the extremes. You have the sedavacantist ....but I'm too charitable to go there.
@@mercado4life188 I stand corrected. Thank you.
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Trent began talking about the Eucharist. I think the pandemic exposed the Protestant worship problem. Protestants had issues bringing people back to church. On the other hand, Catholics/Orthodox were more successful because of the Eucharist.
Removing the altar and not believing in the literal presence of the Eucharist will take a massive hit on worship.
You mean specifically American Baptist/non denom culture, stop using Protestant like it’s one unform system
that and saying the only thing you need for salvation is to profess that Jesus is your personal Lord and Savior. why should i go to church if that is all salvation takes? do not be like the five foolish virgins; gaurd your oil reserves so when the bridegroom comes to take you to the wedding feast you will be ready.
There's no need for an altar. Our Lord didn't use an altar. And remember a church is not the building. You bet the Lord would be telling folks now to sell the fancy buildings and give the money to the poor. Church is the people. They can gather in hired function rooms to worship and re-enact the Lord's supper.
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Unless you can say most Protestants believe in the literal presence (not spiritual presence) of Jesus in the form of bread, I will keep saying most Protestants. I do think Protestants' belief in the Eucharist has a negative effect on their worship.
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I do believe most Protestants don't believe in the literal presence (not the spiritual presence of the Eucharist unless you can prove it otherwise. Even traditional Protestants don't believe in the literal presence.
i feel so happy when trent talks about catholic and orthodox.thanks man.
This was an amazing video! Thank you so much for putting it out
We can't have icons but they can have a night club rock concert every Sunday 😂
Not all are like tht though, many many aren’t
^^ exactly the evangelical church I have went to has very nice singing Sunday mornings. After seeing the worship in the Catholic Church, and the voices of everyone as one choir just wow! I don’t mind just pulling up some worship music on Spotify if that’s what I’m looking for 😂.
Yet they're not rock concerts.
This assumption needs to stop, yes some are very odd and don’t seem like worship, they’re just singing songs but not all are like that. Some are actually worship. It’s just simple hate to fellow brothers and sisters in Christ and it needs to stop
@@tb8766they use this to make people buy into the cult of Catholicism
I understand some churches having “concert” atmosphere for worship but there are still many churches that have a genuine fear of the Lord and revere Him in worship with an attitude of humbleness and adoration to the King of kings seeking to be holy as He is holy not only in our position (children of God) but also in our actions (1 Peter 1).
For a lot of preaching at the Protestant churches when they quote “ every knee shall bow, and every tongue will confess” they really lack kneelers.
This was explained beautifully Glory to Jesus Christ! Thank you Trent for all you do❤ May God continue to bless you abunduntly
I was watching Matt Fradd talk about how it can be overwhelming to become Catholic with all the info out there. Could you make a comprehensive guide to becoming Catholic? I think it would be helpful for those wanting to convert.
There's already a trainging program for becoming Catholic, it's called RCIA or OCIA (depending on where you live).
Trent Horns book "Why we're Catholic" is perfect for what you are looking for
Just go to to your local Catholic church, I'm sure they're happy to help
@@antodiyo7523 Just to be clear, I'm Catholic 😅 but i think some people could benefit from even being told to go to RCIA. They need like 7 easy steps to take, and they can get more info as they progress.
I think Erick Ybarra also wrote a blog post on this topic after his debate with Ubi Petrus. I think you should also give it a read. It's not exhaustive but it starts somewhere.
I went to Mass today and was thinking about worship as you described it. It helped me participate in the sacrifice of Christ made represent to the Father. Thanks, Trent.
What about the sacrifice the Father made to us?
As a Lutheran, I agree that the "concert and a TED talk" approach to worship is something that many attendees of evangelical churches eventually find to be quite empty and unfulfilling. However, I can't agree with the notion that in the sacrament of holy communion we are offering more than our praise and thanksgiving to God. God is offering us the body and blood of the once sacrificed Jesus, and we participate by receiving this sacrifice, just as the disciples participated in the last supper by receiving from Christ when He said take and eat, this is my body, drink, this is my blood. How can we offer God's sacrifice for us back to God? How can we offer God back to God?
Trent's line of argumentation comes across as extremely duplicitous. He claims Protestants can't possibly be worshiping without making sacrifice like the Romans do in the sacrifice of the mass. But when Papists are confronted with Hebrews 10:10 they are quite adamant that it is merely a re-presentation and not a re-sacrifice (something Trent repeatedly states in the video). By their own logic, if it is merely a re-presentation, then they aren't actually making a sacrifice, and therefore not actually worshiping.
@@M00Z1LLA If I remember correctly, on occasions when I have attended a Roman Catholic mass with friends or family, I believe that there was a prayer asking God to "accept our sacrifice." What, exactly, is this sacrifice of ours that we are asking God to accept? Also, when my Roman Catholic grandmother died some of her friends sent mass cards stating that "the sacrifice of the mass is being offered ..." I guess I'm confused about exactly what the sacrifice is that we are offering to God.
This ultimately comes down to the fact that we can't possibly offer to God what He is due, as Trent stated. The closest we can get is by gathering the whole Body of Christ together to offer praises and show devotion to God. The Eucharistic prayers reflect our desire to fulfill God's command to eat and drink His body and blood (John 6) so we offer (sacrifice) the elements of bread and wine back to Him. Then we become imitators of Christ (Eph 5) as our bodies become His home (John 17) and we ourselves receive the sacrifice for Him. Hope this helps
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So if I'm understanding you correctly, the "sacrifice" is nothing more than providing bread and wine for consecration (which is actually a weaker connection to sacrifice than the Lutheran understanding). If so, Trent is basically saying the essence of worship is providing unconsecrated bread and wine. How exactly does that invalidate Protestant worship? The only way I can see that being argued is via the Roman denial of Protestant ordination, but that's clearly not the argument Trent makes. The only way Tent's argument makes sense is if a Roman priest's work does in fact constitute a sacrifice. However that runs contrary to Rome's own explanation of Hebrews 10:10. So which is it? Does Rome contradict Hebrews 10:10 and re-sacrifice, or is Trent's argument wrong?
@@sarco64You cannot offer, because you have neither Apostolic Succession nor validly ordained Priesthood.
I adore the reverence in Catholic mass. But, there are many teachings that I simply cannot square with scripture. And I cannot in good conscious join a church I theologically disagree with.
It would be a good opportunity to delve even more deeply in the theology of the Catholic church. It is very rich and you may find something there. There is a lot of good material out there to explore.
You can try the divine uk online mass father Joseph Edattu and many other priest are teaching the Catholic Church teachings which is the Bible I believe all of your doubts will be cleared …from a former Protestant
@@leechrec I'm incredibly aware of the teachings of the Catholic church, am well versed in the catechism, sat through hours and hours of Mass in multiple countries and I come from a Catholic family. It's that I DO know what they teach and I know what's in scripture. Some things, the Catholic church is right about, but others not so much.
@@leechrec I am well versed in what the catholic church teaches. I am well versed in the catechism. I've sat through hundreds of hours of the Mass, in multiple countries and I come from a catholic family. It's actually that I DO know what they teach and how in many things, the teaching of the Catholic church is based on tradition over scripture. While tradition has it's place, it does not and should not take precedent over scripture.
@@FaithImani-xq9ek I'm going to copy/paste my reply to a similiar comment. I am well versed in what the catholic church teaches. I am well versed in the catechism. I've sat through hundreds of hours of the Mass, in multiple countries and I come from a catholic family. It's actually that I DO know what they teach and how in many things, the teaching of the Catholic church is based on tradition over scripture. While tradition has it's place, it does not and should not take precedent over scripture.
There is a reason, why protestants accuse us of worshipping saints, reason is they associate praise with worship since they don't have actual sacrificial worship.
Christ was sacrificed once for all
@DPK5201 exactly, christ offer that one true timeless sacrifice for eternity, since heaven don't have time. Our high priest Christ took that sacrifice to timeless heaven directly. Hence we draw from it our nourishment for soul.
Hebrews 8:1-2 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
Serves is present tense. He being in heaven is eternal sacrifice. That's why John seen in revelation 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders.
In case of temple sacrifice, one needs to eat the part of offering to participate in worship, if you don't eat the flesh and blood of Christ, you don't participate in his worship. That's why Jesus himself said, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood. The only way we can do it is by eucharist.
As a former lifelong Protestant, I remember singing during an overly emotional "worship night" called "Singspiration" at my evangelical college and thinking to myself, "Is this really....it? This is really the peak of worship on Earth? This can't be." 9 years later, I was received into the Catholic Church.
I remember Joe Heschmeyer’s video on this topic quite some time ago. Very powerful!
I was a Protestant at the time and felt so exposed watching that. Joe really does not get enough credit. He's like a surgeon meticulously cutting down all your Protestant traditions
yeah, Joe Heschmeyer is very good.
I attended a non-denomi national for years as a non-believer. I wished to believe, but I was never convinced. I gave up, but many years later, I started to go to church again because I had had children, and I didn’t want them to be non believers like me. I spent some time looking and eventually ended up at an Orth odox Ch urch. I never expected to be converted by this point, but I was, after only a couple of years, and my husband too and we were all baptized, us and our 4 sons. In retrospect, I felt the prote stants never acted like it was that serious. They didn’t behave as though it was the most important thing, and there was a lack of reverence. It was treated more like a social club, and the wors hip was an afterthought. So it didn’t seem true because they didn’t act like it was. Now, knowing the Devine Liturgy, I am not surprised I wasn't convinced by the social club style.
I was raised an evangelical and converted when I was 17. After I’d come home from Mass my mom would ask me about the homily. One day I had to point out that Catholics don’t go to Mass to hear preaching-there are other avenues for that-but rather we go to Mass to worship God.
One of the best arguments for the Catholic mass I’ve ever heard.
Trent thank you for what you and others do. Your podcast played no small part in me moving to full communion with the Catholic Church and confirmation this Easter.
There isn't anything re-sacrificed in the eucharist, rather the one and only sacrifice that happend at Calvary is distributed.
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From Melkizedk to The Last Super and everything between
Sounds like mental gymnastics.
Why did Jesus say it is finished?
It is re-presented. We need to think how 1st century Jews thought and not how we think today! When Jews (Jesus Christ) said do this in remembrance of me, he was creating a new and everlasting covenant. Covenants for first century, Jews, and for us today are fully binding and must be observed. Let's not forget the apostles were writing as first century Jews, not as 21st century people. Jesus was fulfilling the Old Testament, and not starting a whole new different way of thinking about God, He was including all his children Jew and gentile, and at times correcting and adding to what was already observed.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Gen. 14:18 - this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God.
Psalm 76:2 - Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine.Psalm 110:4 - this is the prophecy that Jesus will be the eternal priest and king in the same manner as this mysterious priest Melchizedek. This prophecy requires us to look for an eternal bread and wine sacrifice in the future. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Eucharistic sacrifice of the Catholic Church.
Malachi 1:11 - this is a prophecy of a pure offering that will be offered in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting. Thus, there will be only one sacrifice, but it will be offered in many places around the world. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Catholic Church in the Masses around the world, where the sacrifice of Christ which transcends time and space is offered for our salvation. If this prophecy is not fulfilled by the Catholic Church, then Malachi is a false prophet.
A re presentation not a re sacrifice
That has never been taught by the Church.
It is an invention of anti Catholic and Orthodox
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 It is unfortunate that the Mass uses the word sacrifice then, isn’t it?
Love the video Trent! Ima huge fan and you are a big reason i became Catholic so thank you.
Pastor Francis Chan has such a profound, sublime yearning for Eucharist (15:14) ... He's like a man drowning in the sea, with the Catholic lifeboat begging him to come aboard, but he wants to do it *his* way. I pray he doesn't continue to miss the boat. 🙏🌹
This is a bit over simplified and leaves out issues within the Roman church
I recently started my journey to Eastern Orthodox, but Trent is probably one of my favorite apologists, his voice is a really nice one to have playing in the background.
I'm Orthodox, too. Definitely don't agree with everything he says but this one is a banger.
Ready to become and EO catechumen myself, but I too have found Trent Horn helpful in the areas we do agree on.
This is a good step. You'll find your way home eventually!
@@padraicbrown6718Yeah, home to Orthodoxy for sure. 👍
Do you know Fr Paul Truebenbach? He’s the reason I chose EO over RC. He has a great RUclips channel.
I am non-denominational, but go to a Catholic church. There is something abut the formality of Catholic churches that feels much more sacred. It's refreshing to go to a place where it isn't about me or anyone else that shows up. There is definitely a disconnect in how Christians view the purpose of church. Protestants want community, Catholics want to worship. Protestant churches need people to function, while Catholic churches could run Mass without anyone there. If a church needs people, it will naturally pander to people's needs. It should be a surprise to no one that is this the state of the church, as we are living in, probably, the most self-centered age of American history.
Actually the Catholic mass requires a number of people it's just that they all do their service in the background making Jesus the center of attention.
Exceptional video Trent. I am always drawn to your videos by the high quality and thoroughness. God bless you and keep doing great things for our church🙏
Listening to a protestant, all you hear is, “I think, I believe, I feel, I, I, I……
Spitting facts. As soon as I hear those words, I zoned out.
Look into Luther's creed of Christianity. The words are the same. I, I, I, I, I, Me, I, Me.
I've never heard I or me preached at any church I've went to. What I don't hear from Catholics is Jesus. I hear about Mary, the Pope, and dogma. Check everything at the door and chant for an hour. I just went to an event celebrated by Mexican Catholics regarding the return of the magi. 15 minutes of chants with people rolling their eyes and yawning followed by passing around a statue of Jesus and kissing it. Nope.
@@miltonhayek2494stop lying. U know Jesus hates liars, don't you?
@@miltonhayek2494 In Catholicism, speaking is not a form of worship, which is the point of this video. Literally everything in the Mass is about Jesus. "Mexicans rolling their eyes and yawning" What were you doing in a place of worship judging people's race and facial expressions? Second, why are you looking around at other people during a religious ceremony?
The main premise of this presentation is that Protestants convert to Catholicism given the primacy of the Eucharist over the Sermon in the Catholic church. Prior to the early church fathers, there was the Bible. In Acts 2:42, the baptized believers devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. There seems to be no supremacy of either over the other. In fact, the Apostle Paul himself conducted extensive sermons following the breaking of bread (Acts 20:7).The primacy of the Eucharist is closely tied to the concept of transubstantiation, the conversion of the bread and wine to Jesus’ body and blood and that we are instructed to consume it (Luke 22:19-20) lest we have no life (John 6:53). However, this is refuted by John 6:63 where Jesus makes the case that it is spiritual nourishment that sustains us. Furthermore, believers in Corinth became drunk in the wine (1 Corinthians 11:21) something that blood would not cause. So, we are left with magnum mysterium, the bread and wine are transformed in essence, not in substance, into Jesus’ body and blood. That is an act of faith.
As far as the reverse flow from Catholicism to Protestantism or other things, this is a major problem that the church fails to address. According to Pew research, the main reasons given by people who leave the church to become Protestant are that their “spiritual needs were not being met” in the Catholic church (71%), they found a service style they liked more (81%), and they found a religion they liked more (70%).
www.ncronline.org/news/parish/hidden-exodus-catholics-becoming-protestants
Very good article though from 2011. I wonder if the data cited is still walid today.
This video was awesome, it really helped me understand the line between worship and praise more clearly so i can explain it to those who think we worship Mary. Seeing this difference makes me understand more why Protestants think we worship her since they have such a low standard of worship.
BINGO!
Keith Nester said in his book, "Catholic Churches get the best Protestants, and Protestant Churches get the worst Catholics."
@@spencermackel7800 Obviously false. Catholics get Protestants who reject the Reformation so they belong back in the RCC. I live in a town with no Catholic church so I don’t know any Catholics.
@@bobinindiana wow, how big is that town? any Orthodox/ancient tradition Church?
@ No. I think it is 30,000.
must be in the Bible belt/south; sure is a small town. How many churches total and count by denominations, plz.
@ Around 25 churches, just normal Protestant denominations. It is sort of a rural farming area. I don’t think there is a bar either.
This is Trent at his peak, not getting bogged down with Tim Gordon or TLM debates, just helping Protestants come home. You love to see it.
The Eucharist is the main reason I left protestantism and became a Catholic. The second reason is the falsehood of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide.
Why is it false?
@@happyappy19931sola scriptura is a self defeating doctrine. As soon as I ask what scriptures, like how do you know what belongs in the scriptura part of sola scriptura? And then everyone either goes to 1. something other then scripture like the early church or councils instead of scripture alone or 2. They quote something that talks about scripture broadly (like how they twist Paul’s writings like they do the other scriptures) which assumes what you are quoting is scripture and doesn’t answer the question. Ok so you quoted 2 Peter, but how do you know that 2 Peter is scripture that belongs in the scriptura part of sola scriptura because that quote didn’t answer the question.
@@happyappy19931 The falsehood of Sola Scriptura was the most significant reason I never considered converting to Protestantism as a former atheist (I am now a baptised Catholic). The argument that convinced me forever is that the Bible did not come first in history. The Church and Tradition existed for more than 300 years before the bible was every compiled in its current form. The Catholic Church exercised its authority on the matter and held councils to compile the Canon. The gospels of Peter, or James or Mary Magdelene were rejected and excluded from the Canon. Sola Scriptura makes zero sense in this historical context because the bible does not tell itself what is the real bible. The core doctrines of many Protestant churches are not explicitly biblical, such as the doctrine of the Trinity, the full humanity and full divinity of Christ. These matters of doctrine were ironed out by the Church through multiple councils and rejection of heresies before the bible even existed.
As for Sola Fide, this was Luther's creation in the 1500's. If you look into Luther's biography he was a man intensely afraid of God and had said he didn't believe God loved him (or something to that effect), he felt that nothing he could do would ever please God, therefore he didn't believe any 'works' could get him into heaven. He published his own version of the bible and inserted the word "alone" into "faith alone". After he got rid of some of the OT books, he later wanted to get rid of the Book of Revelation, Hebrews, James and Jude because they didn't agree with his theology of Sola Fide. It was his followers that rejected this idea, otherwise those NT books would have been removed from Protestant bibles
@@TheKj85 Simple, the church was reliable on teaching for centuries, and later on became corrupt.
This is exactly happened with its finances; it was basically infallible in Acts 4, but few would argue that it is now.
How do you handle the RC doctrines of purgatory and indulgences? Of papal supremacy? of Marian dogmas? You got rid of Sola Scriptura and Sola fide but gained other dogmas.
The reason that evangelical services are not really worship is that the primary direction of Protestant worship is descending from God to man, a receptivity in faith to the proclamation of the Word, which then builds up the community of believers for living a Christian life. It's not an offering to God, not sacrifice. Protestantism tends to see anything like "the sacred" as a Judaizing or even paganizing notion.
Certain strands of modern theology, such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer's idea of "religionless Christianity", carry that a step further, to the implicit secularization of the Christian message, with the end of any notion of a sacrificing priesthood. For many evangelicals, the very word "religion" is almost a dirty word, suggesting Judaism and paganism. The way that Luther pitted Law (Old Testament priesthood, sacrifice, etc.) against the Gospel of Christ tends to the overthrow of anything like an offering to God.
More recently, an evangelical theologian, Dr Tom Wadsworth, specifically declares that the very idea of "worship" is alien to New Testament Christianity and should be rejected. He has some extensive RUclips videos on this issue. He sees the development of Catholic worship as a corruption that misapplies Old Testament cultic ideas to the Christian assembly. Wadsworth thinks evangelical worship is still too much focused on worship. For those who follow that Protestant line of thought, the end of the Temple and the death of Christ mean the abolition of all worship, of cultus.
That is more radical than the Protestant Reformers would have accepted, but this reflects the trajectory of their thought. Yes, contemporary evangelicals who are dissatisfied with the anthropocentrism and horizontal focus of evangelical worship could rediscover classical Protestant worship. But once they affirm the validity of "worship" for Christians, that leads back to Catholicism.
@Pater….excellent summation!!
And when the Eucharist is central, reverential actions become normal: processing, bowing, kneeling, fasting, professing creeds, pronouncing the Lord’s Prayer.
We do all of that in the protestant church.
CREC Protestant here: so weird to me that some hardly take the Eucharist. We take it weekly and it’s one of the best parts of the week to me
But do you see it just a symbol or really the body and blood of Jesus? If it is really the body and blood of Jesus, then how is it consecrated? Most importantly, who gave the person who consecrated the host the authority?
Another fantastic video, Trent! God bless you, and thank you for your incredible work! It is individuals like you who God has presented in my life who have helped guide me on my journey back to the Catholic Church!
I wouldn't spend time arguing about who is more biblically accurate. I see protestants are taking greater risks and effort in defending the gospel and going against false religion.
Here’s my problem, I listen to guys like Trent, Jimmy Akin, and Joe Heschmeyer and think man that makes a lot of sense…I’m ready to become catholic. But then I’ll go and listen to guys like Gavin Ortlund or Jordan Cooper and think…nah I’m good where I’m at. Dear Lord please help me!
I was the same way brother I know how you feel I was a Protestant looking into Catholicism and I looked at all the facts a lot of these apologists are not charitable they sometimes misinterpret history to point them to there view but you need to look at the history and decide for yourself
Hello, Catholic here. I hear you. Please know that God is with you, no matter where you are. He will guide you. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. God bless you.
Very well said!! Go deeper is the Protestant way. Surrender to the teaching of a Magisterium is the Catholic way.
wow, i am early, Happy new year to Trent and Family.
I know even the position this video essay takes will stir controversy in the comments, but, as a Protestant, let me say how gentle, true, fair and reasonable this comes across to me. This is well-received and welcome. It is both teaching and a confirmation. Thank you.
Thank you for listening with an open mind and not taking offense. God bless you!
New Catholic here too from last Easter. I'm absolutely loving it and am so pleased that the Holy Spirit led me back home to the Catholic church. That's exactly what it feels like - home.
The peace of Christ remain with you. Welcome home! ✝️
Christ is King.
My experience of protestant church was a worship of the pastor rather than of God, and on a lesser level looking for the right combination of music and services to make the congregants happy.
Bread and circuses to keep the masses quiet.
@justpodzol9681 we have lost the awe of God
Catholics that leave their faith is because they don’t know it, usually. If we really want the truth we need to learn everything we can about why our religion is the truth, without fear, God will take us to there. His son founded the Catholic Church.
They leave because catholics pray to statues of saints and images of Mary. Jesus is the only way the truth and the life. No one, not Mary or the roman catholic saints comes through Him. Catholics dont focus on Jesus.
@@eldrickzero4885silly tales. Statues are just plaster. God ordered Solomons temple decorated w them. I love how prots think it's ok to pray to flesh humans, but get upset when Catholics pray to the saints in heaven. The saints are more alive than your friends and family. And why exactly are you praying to them for intercession instead of going straight to God? I thought you didn't approve of biblical mandate to offer intercessory prayer.
Peter's confession is the rock (not Peter).
How are priests who teach heresy allowed to serve in the Church?
I converted from Catholicism to Protestantism. A good number of Protestants I know were former Catholics. The opposite is actually true.
I am EO but very low church protestants have one big advantage: they can do missionary work and establish simple home churches in every country even in north korea. EO can not or is not doing nothing in most countires.
This is something missionary Catholic priests have an easier time with. As far back as the English Reformation, you had Catholic priests going into the country and celebrating mass in homes. Some homes actually built priest holes which were hidden rooms in places like behind fireplaces or in The gables for the priest to hide during the Elizabethan persecution.
@TheCatholicNerd but catholic church has other problem like filoque and babacy and many other issues
@@gabrielgabriel5177while we disagree on these issues, I'm not really arguing about Catholics versus Orthodox just saying that in our tradition it is easier to do a house church at need.
They also have the "advantage" that being a practicing protestant is much easier than being Catholic or EO. They don't really have to carry their cross in the same way as us. Of course, that is actually their biggest disadvantage, as they're missing out on Sanctification to a very large degree. But it makes missionary work much easier - it's hard to convince most people, especially those trapped in hedonistic Atheism, to actually repent. It's much easier to just have them pray the sinner's prayer and go to a concert from time to time. They can go out and "save" multiple people in just one day, for us it often takes months and even years.
@@trosenthal3711 You know this whole discussion about house churches reminds me of Father Z answering a question about if you need an alb or not. If you're say a Dominican. He of course says yes you do but then goes on to say something to the effect and I'm paraphrasing here "you should also memorize a few votive masses, you won't have a missal or an alb when you are sent to the camps".
I'm an Anglican. This video is well argued and well done over all. I don't agree with everything, but this is an important video for Protestants to watch and consider.
If you are a "high" Anglican most prots in America would consider you way too catholic. Crazy, isn't it?
I’m the bass player at a small-ish non-denominational church in the south. This should be good 😬
If from the Catholic position, the Protestants have a worship problem, how would you reconcile Pope Francis' statement that all religions are paths to God, likened to different languages?
As a protestant, I've mentioned before how the Catholic Church has such a reverence for communion.
I was raised Baptist and now attend a non denomination Church. The “concert” is praise and worship. The songs we sing are declarations and decrees, they are praises of the up most highest. We are praising our King of Kings, our Savior, our Lord with out-stretched hands. You can feel the Holy Spirit like a wind when we praise. People cry with joy, children are at the alter on their knees praising. It’s incredible. We believe church is the people not a building. Our “TED” talk comes after communion that we take extremely seriously. Our pastors teach, always starting with the Greek and Hebrew to get a better understanding. We dig through the Old Testament to gain wisdom. We are a hungry group of believes for The Lord.
My family is protestant (mainly due to upbringing), but we went to a Catholic Church on Christmas Day because my church - to my family's great disappointment - didn't have a Christmas service. We will be pushing our pastor next year, it's unacceptable.
If he doesn't you can come back to the Catholic one.
Try an Orthodox Liturgy on Christmas, too! We typically only have it at midnight, but hopefully you can come and see the reverence and beauty of our prayer and mystical understanding of the Lord ☦️
No offense but, why would you go back to a "church" that's closed on Christmas? What did you think of the Christmas Mass?
@@randomjake1488 Closest Orthodox Church is 1 1/2 hours away, otherwise I would have.
@@StanleyPinchak I will.
Once You SEE this You can only be catholic...thank You Trent...sooo importante to put this so clearly...
Protestant here (CMA). I just wanted to express my appreciation for your calm and respectful words, Trent. I was born, baptized and raised in the Catholic faith and still have reverence for it even as someone who left that faith decades ago. I
I am a cradle Catholic who was attending a Mega Church. I got disgusted with the lack of reverant prayer, lack of communion, and that I knew how my pastor was voting, but felt no worth as a woman... well, less worth. Catholicism called me back and I feel closer to Jesus Christ through prayer and Eucharist.
Protestant here who would never attend a mega church.
I'm an orthodox catechumen end this video was extremely helpful to me in explaining our views because I don't think you said anything in this particular video that wouldn't also applied to orthodox
This is a straw man. Protestants don’t view sermons as the centre of worship.
What is the center? I’m Catholic so I might be wrong but I actually thought it was the songs and prayers you consider worship.
Yes they do
@ songs and prayers are all considered worship. As can be the Eucharist and tithing. But I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say that the sermon is the centre or main form of worship. Of course, listening to the word of God and obeying is an act of sacrifice to God and so can be viewed as worship too.
@@capturedbyannamarie lol if you believe lies without looking to the truth you will just end up ignorant
Thank you, Trent, for your video. I agree with most of what you said; as a Traditional Lutheran Pastor, not in one of the main line heretical organizations, the eucharist IS the center and climax of the worship service. I also agree that today's evangelicalism is nothing more than a "Bad rock concert followed by a TED talk." But I think that it's disingenuous to lump true protestants (those who were actually part of the Reformation: Lutheran, Calvin, and Anglican) with all those who came after and can be called evangelical and using these terms interchangeably; they are not and have never been the same thing. There are many similarities between the Roman and Lutheran churches, and there is an ongoing dialogue with both Rome and the World Lutheran Federation, with only the issue of the Eucharist still remaining a dividing point. I would even say that, in many ways, Traditional Confessional Lutherans are closer to Catholicism than the Orthodox church (See the filioque as one of many examples). Again, I thank you for your video, and I will continue to watch and learn.
Oh, you should see how the Lutheran Church has devolved here in Norway. I would probably never have found the Catholic Church, if it hadn't been for the persistent hatred of tradition in the Lutheran Church. At this point, I am surprised if a new bishop is not both female and lesbian. But, I suppose you actually follow Luther, so this criticism is not directed toward you. However, it must be disconcerting to see how almost ALL the old reformed churches are falling into deep, deep heresies. Even if I knew that there were some faithful Lutherans in America, it would not have helped me stay in that tradition - it simply felt too fragile.
I’m Lutheran. We have a very traditional liturgy and sing hymns. It’s not a rock concert. It’s honoring God and not about us. Lumping all Protestants together isn’t accurate. Thank you for noting the evangelical/protestant difference.
I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy from southern Baptist, I was baptized in Romania in October. Once I learned about Eastern Orthodoxy, church history, tradition and stepped foot into a church it had an huge impact on me, never felt closer to God.
A former Catholic turned protestant right here!
The Eucharist awaits you when you return. Come home soon.