I find it really stupid that in four season they still haven't explained anything about Emilie's state, despite the fact that bringing her back to life is the MAIN VILLAIN's whole motive.
That's why one must leave shipping on the fandom, and concentrate on the story in canon. I know about this, i'm a shameless shipper, but even i have my limits if is at the cost of the story's quality.
It’s been addressed many times in different ways. because Emily was infertile and decided to create a child. Adrien is a sentimonster and the miraculous of the peacock was damaged. The wounds of the broach becomes the wounds on the wearer and she fell into a coma, Adrien revealed that in passion that she had dizzy spells like Nathalie and Emily knew she was fading.
It's been 4 seasons and we know nothing about this woman. They could've given us the flashback in Gabriel Agreste, an episode that has a lot of potential to tell a backstory. But they didn't. At this point, I give up on Emilie, I don't think we're gonna see the backstory in season 5. If this show focused on the Agreste family and the mystery surrounding them, it would be such a good show.
right?? honestly I don't think theres anything they can do at this point that'd feel satisfying. Emily feels like an afterthought. They built up mystery around her, but how are they ever going to resolve it? She can't possibly be a good person (adriens whole life serves as proof of that), but they've spent so much time clarifying that she is an angel that I don't see how they're gonna resolve this without making gabe and adrien the most stupid people in existence
well perhaps they may actually focus on the agreste familly in s5 because ezra wize the director for the english dub said that they already have a voice actor for emilly agreste so there are only two possible scenarios 1 they shows us the back story of the agreste familly 2 emilly agreste returns so its 50 50 whether will see scenario 1 or 2 but there is also a chance of seen both . I mean it would creat such a nice scenario if they did both and is possible since they said s5 would be the best season also chat would get a huge character development and eventually maybe some more ladynoir?[i mean we ll can agree that ladynoir is almost cannon for s5 ] but anyways i am super hyped for s5🤯🥳🥳🥳🥳
In the first season Adrien says that his father only gave him a pen as a birthday present for three years in a row and then we find out that was his first birthday without his mother, that is, during the three years she was alive she didn't make a point of getting her husband to give him a decent gift? I don't think this is something a super loving mother and wife would do, and it just proves how Gabriel was always a bad father and didn't become bad just because Emile is no longer there, but Adrien says he changed after his mother passed away which is a mistake, so if Adrien really believes his father changed after his mother passed away, how can we believe that Emile was a good person after so many clues that prove otherwise? Yes, I could make a list of the clues we have but it would make this comment even bigger...
@@sannh What I meant is that being rich they could choose any kind of gift and Emile could make a suggestion, but Gabriel didn't mind giving Adrien something that he liked, in the same way he did in the episode where we see Adrien's birthday, he already did this before Emile left so when Adrien says he changed when his mother left we realize that this is not quite true, he just didn't notice or didn't want to admit it, when we like someone a lot we don't want to show their flaws because for us that person is perfect, That's why Adrien speaks highly of his dad but based on that I can't believe he really was a good dad before.
@@cacaumassipanoficial6203 I'd like to politely remind you that the person who is in charge of picking out Adrien's gifts from Gabriel is actually Nathalie. So it's not even Gabriel who chose the pens, it was Nathalie, and it's implied that the reason she gave him pens was she'd just neglect to get him something and just give him the pen on her desk. But she always told Gabriel that she'd gotten something. He trusted her, and I don't know if he ever knew what Nathalie was giving Adrien in his place. I also raise the possibility that since he only started getting the pen three years ago, that the last three birthdays Adrien had were years Emilie was ill (or had possibly already passed away for the last one). I really don't think there's any proof Emilie was a bad person, just circumstantial evidence she was.
@@aromaladyellie I think you didn't notice that, but in the show it was said that Nathalie works for them only for a year so she was hired after Emillies death/coma which means she didn't choose those gifts for Adrien and that time when she stole from Marinett she sounded like she didn't know that SHE is the one who has to buy Adrien a gift, and she probably didn't wanted for Adrien to be disapointed by that :(
The title saddens me because I personally believe that whether it happens or not, Emilie would've been set up to be an incredible villain. She's just so mysterious and was an actress so it would not be a stretch if adrien thinks so highly of her just because she hid the sides of her she didn't want her son to see. But I highly doubt this will ever happen unless the show shifts plot focus onto the agreste family instead of Ladybug's struggle of balancing her superhero and civilian life.
Its funny when people talk about emily. Emily is a wasted character herself. Its been 4 seasons and all we get is vague clues about her. Gabriel said she had a temper in simon says. I thought we were gonna get the gabriel agreste backstory in gabriel agreste but we didnt because they always have to have marinette take up a good chunk of the episode even though sometimes she doesnt always have to have so much screentime.
Emelie would've been an amazing villain. She's all set up to be sweet and amazing, but mainly by Adrien, who doesn't really have the best concept of what a good adult should be. I'd love her to be all hyper protective over Adrien but also kinda insane, in her own way.
I have to agree with you that the "evil Emily" plotline is becoming less and less realistic. If they were to do that, I believe they would've done it already at the end of season 4, since season 5 is meant to be the end for the Gabe arc. My theory is that she was aware about Gabes shenenigans and some point and was either forced to help him, or did an Ozai-Ursa (from Avatar: The Last Airbender) and did something to protect Adrien or Nathalie that put her in her current condition. If I would give her a role in season 5, apart from flashbacks, I would do that in the season 5 finale. If the theory about the episode "recreation" is right, I believe she will come back then. Like master Fu said, reviving Emily will come at a cost, so I think once Emily finds out what happened, she will betray Gabe and sacrifice herself to undo the wish
This is just a thought but what if there haven’t been any flashbacks because Adrien is a sentimonster? At least from his perspective if he was a sentimonster he probably wouldnt have that much memory of his mother. And it would be able to hide Emilie’s true personality since his thoughts/memories could be altered or even completely fake!
@@dahyuns2879 I'm still having my doubts about the senti-theory. I think that the reason why we haven't seen any Emily flashbacks from Adriens pov is simply because Adrien hasn't tried to figure out what happened yet. I think if we were to have a flashback, it will be from Natalie and Gabes pov. Remember that it was Natalie who found both Miraculous and the book, not Gabe or Emily. It would be interesting to see things from her side
The only reason i dont belive adrien is sentimonsters is beacuse i cant Imagine marrinter end up with adrien at the end of show and have kids with him in future
This actually gave me a plot idea in which it may work. Say Gab makes the wish and everyone forgets and everything is restarted, everyone forgets except Gab (and maybe Emily). We can then have a story ark centred around Gab and maybe even a few flash back episodes to before Adrien was born or when Adrien was little to better understand his character. Emily can be a villain but be manipulative of both Gab and Adrien leading to a false view of her. In the end Gab making another wish, but for everything todo back to how it was before, in the end he could sacrifice himself for his son or something. Another idea I had is in which the wish doesn’t necessarily work, playing with the idea of fate Emily will always some how end up in a coma driving Gab insane. It could with him making a wish then, or could end with a universe in which Emily is fine but Adrien doesn’t exist (or is dead), Gab goes along with this for a bit but ends up missing his son and makes a wish. Only issue is that this will focus on Gab and not Adrien and Mari, with both of them becoming comedic relief or something. But imagine bringing the multiverse into miraculous, that would be something.
The one really big gap in Adrien being a sentimonster is he was cataclysmed and he didn’t go crazy. I know that even Thomas Astruc said that Miraculer’s powers were less powerful than actual Miraculous holders, but a cataclysm is still a cataclysm. If Adrien were a sentimonster, he should have been going crazy when he was cataclysmed. Also, Nathalie never had an adverse reaction to being near Adrien like she did when she was around Feast.
What if Gab gets his wish, and we see his new world from his perspective. (He's the only one who knows it's a copy) Then he slowly sees just how bad the world is off, and probably realized that his wife wasn't the best person seeing her again after a year or two. This also shows him how miserable his son is, leading him to find master fu (since him having the miraculous wouldn't change) and he makes the wish again to reverse his wish.This leads him to give up and be with his son, then someone else steals the miraculous from him.
The only way I can see Emily coming back at this point is if Gabe literally just creates a parallel universe for himself. Like, his wish wouldn't be to bring his wife back, it would be for him to go to a parallel universe where she's alive, but the world that we know remains as it is. Just without him in it. It could be a sweet end to his arc, where he gets to be happy, but everyone else gets to keep their lives. It could also be a new start for Adrian, where he has to learn to live without his father, suddenly gaining a lot of freedom, but losing a lot of the support. Meanwhile, Gabe's miraculous would go to someone else as he wouldn't need it anymore, and we'd get a new villain.
@@dahyuns2879 Oh, really? I haven't seen/read Dr Strange, but I figured this idea probably isn't that original and someone's done something like this before. It's also kind of reminiscent of the Rose/Ten storyline in Doctor Who now that I think about it.
I think the "adult-sphere" of MLB have been talking about this since the end of season three. I've definitely heard this theory in the past two years, it really is one of my favorite theories. I really love the more "mature" theories regarding Emile Agreste, Felix, the Agreste-Wife's family theories, speculations. It's from here, really is the only point in the show that gives it an edge, a sense of insecurity or fear. Twist is what makes a story extra engaging. I think the creators are scared and feel as if they walk a tightrope, because they want this content to sell for kids as young as three or four year-olds. I wonder how tightly set they are at ending the Hawkmoth plotline by the end of season five. I haven't heard much, I remember ~2020/2021 they had mentioned that they have enough recognability and stability to slow it down an continue till season 6 or 7. I would absolutely love if they did, honestly even if Hawkmoth didn't even end after season five. If they really brought Emile back, I kinda would love a sick twisted twist that Emile was sick and twisted, abusive, controlling, or honestly that they made mistakes as they're elite and could have made "bad decisions". But Emile's relationship with her twin sister Amalie, their son/nephew Felix, their relationship with Adrien, and Gabriel Agreste. Plus, it's been established that Nathalie has been involved in the Agreste's life since they've discovered the butterly and peacock miraculous, abandoned under snow. (We're they metal-detecting, looking for metals, and simply discovered them? Did they misuse them and break the peacock miraculous or was it broken beforehand and they use it, not necessarily for evil? If not for evil, then for what? Felix and/or Adrien's existence?) And an entire slew of questions. The twin rings? Is that connected to the New York's Miraculous Box? I think what keeps us here is the engagement. You know what's hilarious? I've messaged the Zag team on instagram on mu lunch breaks telling them they should make a "hawkmoth glasses frames" because that is an icon of the show that is just as iconic and the ladybug (with five spots). I messaged them a second time like 10 months later because I'm a menace and they told me they've talked about creating it as merch. Honestly one of the best merch ideas for anyone 7 or over. So that's cool. Honestly it's a neat concept. It's kinda lame the chicken and goat miraculous are op, there's literally no reason for LB except that "she's the 'only one' that can purify akumas" but, what? Why?
Hear me out, sources have confirmed that aggreste family arc will be over in S5, ...so if they want to bring emilie back...so now is the only chance ...it could be done in one of the following ways...she will be brought back in s5ep 1 ,using bunny miraculous... Or in s5 ...ep 20 revelation...or in s5 episode...Last day...bcoz I assume its last day meaning gabe used the two miraculous to fulfill his wish
The most annoying thing to me is the fact, that they did nothing with returning monk temple in Feast? Like yeah, I know there is that guardian guy in S4, but why don't Gabe just travel there and ask monks for help? He could even lie that they was just using miraculous for fun and his wife is sick. Im pretty sure they could heal her somehow. Same with Nathalie.
If Gab got his wish......ladybug survives intact and Emilie comes back evil then goes after Chat knowing he's Adrien...maybe even try killing Ladybug- that would turn him against her. Then Ladybug's wish could come into play. But I truely believe that Emilie is a sweet loving person. That's is why Gab is soo obsessed. She saw the good and brought out the good in him. She is also the mold for Adrien's loving character. Her loss would drive Gabriel over the edge and Adrien would have to strengthen to defeat his father and take him afterwards.
ISTG if Emilie is much more manipulative and devilish compare to Gabe, which Adrien doesn’t realize, I will literally snatch Adrien from them and give him a therapist and a loving family.
The thing is Ezra already said that he has a VA for Emilie in season 5 so that means that we're probably going to see Emilie in Season 5. I nthe flesh. If not, flashbacks.
Felix won't actually have any embarrassing defeats when he and Lila are the next big bads of the show, he might actually bamboozle the protagonists unlike how they always did with Gabriel. Like he won't just be doing bad things he will actually be orchestrating some strategies to slowly work in to his master plan for the right opportunity to seize Ladybug and Cat Noir's miraculous and take em so he can use em to create a fresh parallel universe where Adrien doesn't exist, his dad and auntie are alive and well, and he and Lila will have better past child lives than the ones that made em what they are now. Yeah a few times it'll look like he's hammering it in civilian form but it's actually part of his coherent and creative strategic plan when he becomes a Lex Luthor copycat with the Peacock Miraculous to become Mayor of Paris and also turn the public against Adrien and his friends when he finds out he's Cat Noir and they're the other heroes on his team boom successful progress for him
As much as we'd love for Emilie to come back, I don't think the writers have the actual balls to do it and even if they did, I feel like it'd be poorly executed.
Emilie is even less relevant than the fireman guy at this point. I honestly forgot she's the main reason why Gabe doing all ghis things, bcs what do we know about her? Nothing! 4 seasons in and we know nothing, and ghey expect us to care about her? Hardly amusing
It would've been fun to see her be revived, bond with Adrien shortly, find out what Adrien did, and try to battle/imprison him while Adrien just wants the perfect family. It's super easy to do this.
I don't want it to sound weird but actually being this show having no choice but to end up being so angst and tragic was the first and biggest reason I started watching this show at the very first place! A boy whose father doesn't allow him out his whole life, a boy whose just lost his mother, a boy whose have to act like someone else cuz he know his father doesn't allow any flaws and tripping, Him hardly ever having a simple breakfast with him. And most importantly him not knowing all this time the enemy he fought so hard with was his own father. And the fact that in the end Adrien will find out all of these, and learn that his own father was willing to kill every one just to bring his mother back.. And now in season 4 it got even worse that it seems like he's a sentimonster. It's just so dark.. And I LOVE it!
I feel if Emily was brought back to life and Mari somehow kept her memories in a recreation that Felix and adrien wouldn’t exist in that alternate time line and that could be interesting but sad
Honestly, I wish they hadn’t said that the entire universe would be rewritten if the powers were used, cause it undermines what master fu said in the episode robustus. How the universe would balance out and that someone else would lose their humanity. I though from that, that when Gabriel finally made his wish to bring back emilie, then either adrien or Natalie would be the price
Y'know i've always seen what Gabriel wants to do differently. I've believed the sentitheory pretty much since i arrived in the fandom years ago, and since now it's semi confirmed i think this could be pretty plausible. So essentially Émilie isn't dead, she's actually in a coma. In Party Crasher Gabriel freaked out because the power ran out and her coffin showed it's battery life, which means that it keeps her alive somehow. She can't wake because she's too sick. She isn't dead to be revived. She got sick because she made Adrien with the miraculous while it was broken, but Gabriel wants to recreate a world in which he, Adrien and Émile coexist and she never got sick. I always thought Gabriel acted like a dick towards his son because he doesn't think that it matters in this reality, since when he recreates the universe none of his neglect in-show would have happened. It's obvious that he cares for him (ex. gorizilla, collector, style queen, queen wasp, glaciator 2.0, etc etc; chat blanc and ephemeral are kinda weird and everyone is ooc in them tbh). It was kinda funny to see people be surprised he wants to recreate the world because that's what i thought he wanted to do in the first place lol
well perhaps they may actually focus on the agreste familly in s5 because ezra wize the director for the english dub said that they already have a voice actor for emilly agreste so there are only two possible scenarios 1 they shows us the back story of the agreste familly 2 emilly agreste returns so its 50 50 whether will see scenario 1 or 2 but there is also a chance of seen both . I mean it would creat such a nice scenario if they did both and is possible since they said s5 would be the best season also chat would get a huge character development and eventually maybe some more ladynoir?[i mean we ll can agree that ladynoir is almost cannon for s5 ] but anyways i am super hyped for s5elbowcoughvirtualhug🤯🥳🥳🥳🥳
They could do what they’ve always done before. Pull it out of their butts. Have to rewrite the universe? Nah, it’s a time paradox like you see in the Flash. She never died so things are changed according to that. Ladybug remembers and they focus more on her even though it’s Agreste family sucks stuff (Adrien aside of course) and she eventually realizes she can’t change everything for some reason and they’re stuck with that reality fighting Em. She’ll keep it a secret from Adrien for a while but eventually he’ll find out, the love square will fully reverse as CN decides he cannot trust LB and falls out of love with her and into love with Marinette though he still treats LB kindly after a bit and Marinette likes CN who has always been there for her and that blinds her to Adrien’s affection
And actually unpopular opinion, I actually believe Adrien is the next Hawkmoth. Yeah Yeah I know it'd be too dark but.. We already have Chat blanc so we know writers actually did make the choice to make him look like antagonist, and there has been so many episodes that he's actually on the villains side.. But man the fact that after Hawkmoth being defeated he'll be having the biggest reason to be the new Hawkmoth and the only one that can steal it after it getting received by LB.. AND season 2 opening.. It just make so much sense to me, I really hope it'll happen This will be OUT OF THIS WORLD!
I don't really care about her anymore, because there is nothing about her for me to care for. Do u know who she is what she likes if she is evil or not evil. No maybe because the writers haven't done anything with such a great idea
Ima be honest, I used to always wonder about Emily, and what she was like. But now, I don’t really care. They rarely even talk about her, and when they do it’s just the same thing. No new information
Nope. I still don't believe Emilie is evil! In Feast. Adrien said she was the only who could make him laugh. Next to Plagg. Not counting Marinette because season 4 is just a shit season.
All hope of Emilie coming back was lost when this stupid destory the universe crap was revealed. They could've gone with some cosmic irony that Mr Smooth Brain dies after she got revived. But no, the whole universe blows up instead.
i think it actualy could work whit an alternetive universe if it was handled like the she-ra reboot from 2018 where adora gets put in an alternetive univere that was created whit a machine the villian catra tried to use. where everything seems perefect but something just feels of. and the world slowly starts to crumble and glitch out and both marinet and adrien get glipses of the univerese they sould be in. And at the end they might have goten their powers back and its going to be a big sacrefice to save everyone but mabye ether Emelie or Gabriel sacrefices themselfs. It could mabye ether be that while adrien have the glimpses he tells his revived mom and she figures out whats going on because adrien dont remember chatnoir is a secret.Or gabriel relises this isnt what he wanted and he dont want his son to die so he sacrefices himslef to save the universe.
Tbh two other threads 1) they commit to the new timeline essentially rebooting the series (not likely but it could serve as an excuse to basically re-do the show as Thomas is leaving as the show running after s5) 2) Make it so by getting rid dead you have dead Adrian. Marinette then has to convince either Gabe or Emily (both maybe) that Adrian existed but now doesn't. 2.5) now using or not using this thread of logic to have Adrian back a life must be taken. So Emily has to be re-dead so Adrian can live or Gabe has to be the new dead to have them both live in his place. (If felix is a senti monster i guess chuck his parents in too)
I think there’s a 33% chance of Gabriel bringing back Emile due to episode 1… maybe the reason Natalie says make the right decision in the season 5 trailer is because maybe if Gabriel gives himself the USB stick then he and his universe will be wiped out because Gabriel would change the course of history So maybe instead of giving himself the USB he kidnaps her 😱 I genuinely think there is the tiniest bit chance that Gabriel will get Emilie back in season 5 episode 1 either by giving up the USB to his younger self or by kidnapping Emilie… also bruh imagine what Emilie will think of monarch’s costume… Bruh also if optigami happened in season 5 then I think stlye Queen would reject the akuma cuz of Monarch’s cons time 😂
I definitely agree that at no point will Gabe be able to make his wish. I don't know how much of season 5 they plan to use to sort of go down the rabbit hole with regard to Emily. I always thought that Adrien's parents were just super overprotective and spoiled Adrien, and simply the loss of Emily triggered Gabe into madness and not that she was inherently evil. I just don't feel like there is enough time in season 5 to explore that story line. I also believed since ladybug was able to create the lucky charms in Mr. Pigeon 72 that she would create a power that could somehow cure Emily or bring her back to Life at the end of Gabe's arc to kind of free him from his pain and fix the wrongs that caused him to become evil. Then again in season 1 Gabe's main point of motivation is power and ruling the world, maybe ladybug assisting him helps to end those endeavors?
I think Adrian and marinette would have to get here own miraculous so they can a wise so everything go back to normal. Then ladybug grabs the butterfly miraculous from Gabriel and she uses her luckycharm/miraculous ladybug to bring Emily back
I think she is more of an antihero. I hate the sentimonster theory, but I like the theory where she only used it to have a child because she was barren. I feel like she was stuck in a sticky situation. Considering Felix was originally afraid of Gabe, I think he abused him too. Considering they both look at Emily in adoration, she is a secret savior. Maybe she was controlled too. Gabe is a workaholic so I believe he went to the office and Emelie took care of Adrien. When Gabe was not home, they were happy. When Gabe came home, he controlled both of them. He is not happy being a father. He rarely cared for his son so Emelie stepped in as the nurturer. Maybe she homeschooled him. Who knows? That is why I think she is more of an antihero for these reasons. Can’t fight back but still took care of Adrien and at one point, Felix.
I think the writers started the show off with another plan for Emilie and Adrien's relation before late season 2ish because him being rejected from going to school, bad gifts for years sounds like she was abusive but now she's an angel? It needs to make sense.
What if Adrien got the of back and used it instead? We get to see a Marinette who can talk to him without being creepy and it would give a better angsty flavour to Cat Noire. But they probably won't do it because Adrien would have to be the focus instead.
I guess is a mather of time , what ther build up , execution and all to be reconn or reset I mean we 4 seasson in ,at this people have expetations and know the dance ther do
Emilie was the actress of the film solitude as a kind empathic woman loved her clan more than anything Gabriel mentioned that his wife was stubborn and headstrong as Adrian mentioned according to his father she was a peacock miraculous holder years ago until she fell into coma while in a pod Gabriel is still after the ladybug and cat miraculous team miraculous are in great danger as the rest of their miraculous was stolen by hawk moth not holding back to get his wish again will ladybug and cat noir recover the rest of the miraculous?
Honestly I feel it would be totally on brand for the writers just to give a few more fake outs with Gab getting the miraculous only for it to be yanked out from under him at the last minute. Come to think of it, even if he gets the wish he can't bring Emily back to life, it would just be a counterfeit version of her.
Not only would miraculum create an alternate universe but in which memories would be altered but also some other person would lose their consciousness and it could be someone close to Adrien. It must be so as we learn it in episode where Markov the robot wants to become a human. Master Fu says that if Markov became human someone else’s consciousness would be lost.
I Agree The Emile Being The Finale-Villain Theory Will Definitely Will Not Happen Because That Theory is BS, I Always Want to Feel Like Season5 Will Have Less Mary-Sue and Poor-Writing Marinette, Since Mary-Sue Marinette is Very Too-Much and Now, in Season5, Marinette is Going to Fix Her Mary-Sue Mistake and Her Sins During Season5's 27 Episodes
I honestly don't get the "Emilie was evil" thing tbh. I feel like there's explanations for everything. I don't like "Adrien is a Senti" for the same reasons, plus in his case, it defeats his whole character arc of wanting to break free from control if that is never a real option for him. But it looks like a theory that holds a lot of water, even if I hate the theory. The fact Adrien has accepted that his mother is gone, and even accepted his father being with Nathalie, is to me, implying they never meant for her to be evil and that the endgame is Gabriel finally learning to let go. Gabriel hitting the coffin so hard the glass cracks also strikes me as hinting that he's got to let her go. When Adrien finds out in Ephemeral about Emilie, he's horrified. He's not relieved. He's not willing to help his father. He actually refuses until he's made to obey. Emilie will probably be a wasted character. I think it'd be really cool if they showed us an evil Emilie, but the only way I think they could is if it's via a prophetic dream. Especially since S5 is supposed to be the end of the Agreste family arc. I think the ONLY way Emilie could be evil is if it's acutally Amelie in the case and Emilie is pretending to be her.
I agree. Especially on the whole "Adrien is actually a Sentimonster" Thing. It's not only weird but it almost feels like it would take away something. Adrien no longer obeys his Father simply because he has been conditioned all his Life to behave like the perfect Son and lacks the Confidence to challenge him.....no, it's just because he has been controlled by a piece of magical Jewelry all along. 😒
guess the next part ending of the Agreste family is explanation from Ladybug and cat noir of Gabriel's and Natalie's motives, Natalie: AND OUR PLAN WOULD WIN TOO IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS and your Detective adults! the French people might Booed to Natalie, Gabriel, Lila and Chloe for crimes
Tbh the single worst thing that they could do is bring her back and then she's exactly like how she's described lmao. Now that would be a waste of a character.
you know, your video actually made me realize - they couldve easily made Zoe a good character, if they made an episode, where Gabe gets to fulfill his wish without stopping, a new almost-identical world is created where zoe appears as a character, someone figures out the inconsistencies in the weird world that Gabe creates and actually goes back in time, then, when its all back to normal - time anomalies occur - such as Zoe, a character that was never there, but now everyone feels and acts like she always has been there.
Why would Gabe time travel? Creating a new world would separate completely from this one. Are you saying he would travel back in time to stop the creation of a new world?
Emilie wasn't evil, if she was the Peacock Miraculous would look a lot evil looking when she was the holder when it was in camouflage mode like it did with Nathalie and Felix
I wish we got more of the agreste family and the relation between Felix and Adrien with the ring, instead of showing us Marinette planning another way to stalk Adrien
I would have loved Emilie as a villain but they’ve dragged the Agreste plotline for far too long that at this rate I really could care less about her. Also I don’t want her to come back because I’m rooting for Gabenath to become canon after Gabriel goes to Jail/a mental institution or both and undergoes some serious therapy.
I find it really stupid that in four season they still haven't explained anything about Emilie's state, despite the fact that bringing her back to life is the MAIN VILLAIN's whole motive.
That's why one must leave shipping on the fandom, and concentrate on the story in canon.
I know about this, i'm a shameless shipper, but even i have my limits if is at the cost of the story's quality.
Because that's what she is, she is not a character, just a device
It’s been addressed many times in different ways. because Emily was infertile and decided to create a child. Adrien is a sentimonster and the miraculous of the peacock was damaged. The wounds of the broach becomes the wounds on the wearer and she fell into a coma, Adrien revealed that in passion that she had dizzy spells like Nathalie and Emily knew she was fading.
It's been 4 seasons and we know nothing about this woman. They could've given us the flashback in Gabriel Agreste, an episode that has a lot of potential to tell a backstory. But they didn't. At this point, I give up on Emilie, I don't think we're gonna see the backstory in season 5. If this show focused on the Agreste family and the mystery surrounding them, it would be such a good show.
right?? honestly I don't think theres anything they can do at this point that'd feel satisfying. Emily feels like an afterthought. They built up mystery around her, but how are they ever going to resolve it? She can't possibly be a good person (adriens whole life serves as proof of that), but they've spent so much time clarifying that she is an angel that I don't see how they're gonna resolve this without making gabe and adrien the most stupid people in existence
well perhaps they may actually focus on the agreste familly in s5 because ezra wize the director for the english dub said that they already have a voice actor for emilly agreste so there are only two possible scenarios
1 they shows us the back story of the agreste familly
2 emilly agreste returns
so its 50 50 whether will see scenario 1 or 2 but there is also a chance of seen both . I mean it would creat such a nice scenario if they did both and is possible since they said s5 would be the best season also chat would get a huge character development and eventually maybe some more ladynoir?[i mean we ll can agree that ladynoir is almost cannon for s5 ] but anyways i am super hyped for s5🤯🥳🥳🥳🥳
In the first season Adrien says that his father only gave him a pen as a birthday present for three years in a row and then we find out that was his first birthday without his mother, that is, during the three years she was alive she didn't make a point of getting her husband to give him a decent gift? I don't think this is something a super loving mother and wife would do, and it just proves how Gabriel was always a bad father and didn't become bad just because Emile is no longer there, but Adrien says he changed after his mother passed away which is a mistake, so if Adrien really believes his father changed after his mother passed away, how can we believe that Emile was a good person after so many clues that prove otherwise? Yes, I could make a list of the clues we have but it would make this comment even bigger...
Wives are not responsible for their husbands' behavior. Unlike Gabriel she probably gave him better gifts when she was alive.
@@sannh What I meant is that being rich they could choose any kind of gift and Emile could make a suggestion, but Gabriel didn't mind giving Adrien something that he liked, in the same way he did in the episode where we see Adrien's birthday, he already did this before Emile left so when Adrien says he changed when his mother left we realize that this is not quite true, he just didn't notice or didn't want to admit it, when we like someone a lot we don't want to show their flaws because for us that person is perfect, That's why Adrien speaks highly of his dad but based on that I can't believe he really was a good dad before.
@@cacaumassipanoficial6203 I'd like to politely remind you that the person who is in charge of picking out Adrien's gifts from Gabriel is actually Nathalie. So it's not even Gabriel who chose the pens, it was Nathalie, and it's implied that the reason she gave him pens was she'd just neglect to get him something and just give him the pen on her desk. But she always told Gabriel that she'd gotten something. He trusted her, and I don't know if he ever knew what Nathalie was giving Adrien in his place. I also raise the possibility that since he only started getting the pen three years ago, that the last three birthdays Adrien had were years Emilie was ill (or had possibly already passed away for the last one).
I really don't think there's any proof Emilie was a bad person, just circumstantial evidence she was.
@@aromaladyellie Less bad, at least that part passes, but I really want to see her with my own eyes and see who she really is.
@@aromaladyellie I think you didn't notice that, but in the show it was said that Nathalie works for them only for a year so she was hired after Emillies death/coma which means she didn't choose those gifts for Adrien and that time when she stole from Marinett she sounded like she didn't know that SHE is the one who has to buy Adrien a gift, and she probably didn't wanted for Adrien to be disapointed by that :(
The title saddens me because I personally believe that whether it happens or not, Emilie would've been set up to be an incredible villain. She's just so mysterious and was an actress so it would not be a stretch if adrien thinks so highly of her just because she hid the sides of her she didn't want her son to see. But I highly doubt this will ever happen unless the show shifts plot focus onto the agreste family instead of Ladybug's struggle of balancing her superhero and civilian life.
I mean season 5 is the ending season for the "Agreste family" arc. So we could learn more of the Agrestes and the Graham de Vaniles (Felix's family)
@@deepshitaaradhana3875 yeah I agree 👍 💯
She's a plot device.
The writers will also ruin the setimonster theory too
Its funny when people talk about emily. Emily is a wasted character herself. Its been 4 seasons and all we get is vague clues about her. Gabriel said she had a temper in simon says. I thought we were gonna get the gabriel agreste backstory in gabriel agreste but we didnt because they always have to have marinette take up a good chunk of the episode even though sometimes she doesnt always have to have so much screentime.
Emelie would've been an amazing villain. She's all set up to be sweet and amazing, but mainly by Adrien, who doesn't really have the best concept of what a good adult should be.
I'd love her to be all hyper protective over Adrien but also kinda insane, in her own way.
I have to agree with you that the "evil Emily" plotline is becoming less and less realistic. If they were to do that, I believe they would've done it already at the end of season 4, since season 5 is meant to be the end for the Gabe arc.
My theory is that she was aware about Gabes shenenigans and some point and was either forced to help him, or did an Ozai-Ursa (from Avatar: The Last Airbender) and did something to protect Adrien or Nathalie that put her in her current condition. If I would give her a role in season 5, apart from flashbacks, I would do that in the season 5 finale. If the theory about the episode "recreation" is right, I believe she will come back then. Like master Fu said, reviving Emily will come at a cost, so I think once Emily finds out what happened, she will betray Gabe and sacrifice herself to undo the wish
This is just a thought but what if there haven’t been any flashbacks because Adrien is a sentimonster? At least from his perspective if he was a sentimonster he probably wouldnt have that much memory of his mother. And it would be able to hide Emilie’s true personality since his thoughts/memories could be altered or even completely fake!
@@dahyuns2879 I'm still having my doubts about the senti-theory. I think that the reason why we haven't seen any Emily flashbacks from Adriens pov is simply because Adrien hasn't tried to figure out what happened yet.
I think if we were to have a flashback, it will be from Natalie and Gabes pov. Remember that it was Natalie who found both Miraculous and the book, not Gabe or Emily. It would be interesting to see things from her side
Or gabe gets redemption arc and becomes good father after Emily talks some sense into him
The only reason i dont belive adrien is sentimonsters is beacuse i cant Imagine marrinter end up with adrien at the end of show and have kids with him in future
This actually gave me a plot idea in which it may work. Say Gab makes the wish and everyone forgets and everything is restarted, everyone forgets except Gab (and maybe Emily). We can then have a story ark centred around Gab and maybe even a few flash back episodes to before Adrien was born or when Adrien was little to better understand his character. Emily can be a villain but be manipulative of both Gab and Adrien leading to a false view of her. In the end Gab making another wish, but for everything todo back to how it was before, in the end he could sacrifice himself for his son or something. Another idea I had is in which the wish doesn’t necessarily work, playing with the idea of fate Emily will always some how end up in a coma driving Gab insane. It could with him making a wish then, or could end with a universe in which Emily is fine but Adrien doesn’t exist (or is dead), Gab goes along with this for a bit but ends up missing his son and makes a wish. Only issue is that this will focus on Gab and not Adrien and Mari, with both of them becoming comedic relief or something. But imagine bringing the multiverse into miraculous, that would be something.
The one really big gap in Adrien being a sentimonster is he was cataclysmed and he didn’t go crazy. I know that even Thomas Astruc said that Miraculer’s powers were less powerful than actual Miraculous holders, but a cataclysm is still a cataclysm. If Adrien were a sentimonster, he should have been going crazy when he was cataclysmed. Also, Nathalie never had an adverse reaction to being near Adrien like she did when she was around Feast.
I largely think they took too long to finally flesh her out as a character.
What if Gab gets his wish, and we see his new world from his perspective. (He's the only one who knows it's a copy) Then he slowly sees just how bad the world is off, and probably realized that his wife wasn't the best person seeing her again after a year or two. This also shows him how miserable his son is, leading him to find master fu (since him having the miraculous wouldn't change) and he makes the wish again to reverse his wish.This leads him to give up and be with his son, then someone else steals the miraculous from him.
lol I just wrote a comment with a similar plot idea before seeing this
The only way I can see Emily coming back at this point is if Gabe literally just creates a parallel universe for himself. Like, his wish wouldn't be to bring his wife back, it would be for him to go to a parallel universe where she's alive, but the world that we know remains as it is. Just without him in it. It could be a sweet end to his arc, where he gets to be happy, but everyone else gets to keep their lives. It could also be a new start for Adrian, where he has to learn to live without his father, suddenly gaining a lot of freedom, but losing a lot of the support.
Meanwhile, Gabe's miraculous would go to someone else as he wouldn't need it anymore, and we'd get a new villain.
It sounds like you got this idea off off Dr Strange 😭
That or some sort of Matrix thing
@@dahyuns2879 Oh, really? I haven't seen/read Dr Strange, but I figured this idea probably isn't that original and someone's done something like this before. It's also kind of reminiscent of the Rose/Ten storyline in Doctor Who now that I think about it.
2:25 that sigh in sync with plagg, i love it lmao
I think the "adult-sphere" of MLB have been talking about this since the end of season three. I've definitely heard this theory in the past two years, it really is one of my favorite theories. I really love the more "mature" theories regarding Emile Agreste, Felix, the Agreste-Wife's family theories, speculations. It's from here, really is the only point in the show that gives it an edge, a sense of insecurity or fear. Twist is what makes a story extra engaging. I think the creators are scared and feel as if they walk a tightrope, because they want this content to sell for kids as young as three or four year-olds. I wonder how tightly set they are at ending the Hawkmoth plotline by the end of season five. I haven't heard much, I remember ~2020/2021 they had mentioned that they have enough recognability and stability to slow it down an continue till season 6 or 7. I would absolutely love if they did, honestly even if Hawkmoth didn't even end after season five. If they really brought Emile back, I kinda would love a sick twisted twist that Emile was sick and twisted, abusive, controlling, or honestly that they made mistakes as they're elite and could have made "bad decisions". But Emile's relationship with her twin sister Amalie, their son/nephew Felix, their relationship with Adrien, and Gabriel Agreste. Plus, it's been established that Nathalie has been involved in the Agreste's life since they've discovered the butterly and peacock miraculous, abandoned under snow. (We're they metal-detecting, looking for metals, and simply discovered them? Did they misuse them and break the peacock miraculous or was it broken beforehand and they use it, not necessarily for evil? If not for evil, then for what? Felix and/or Adrien's existence?) And an entire slew of questions. The twin rings? Is that connected to the New York's Miraculous Box?
I think what keeps us here is the engagement. You know what's hilarious? I've messaged the Zag team on instagram on mu lunch breaks telling them they should make a "hawkmoth glasses frames" because that is an icon of the show that is just as iconic and the ladybug (with five spots). I messaged them a second time like 10 months later because I'm a menace and they told me they've talked about creating it as merch. Honestly one of the best merch ideas for anyone 7 or over. So that's cool. Honestly it's a neat concept. It's kinda lame the chicken and goat miraculous are op, there's literally no reason for LB except that "she's the 'only one' that can purify akumas" but, what? Why?
Hear me out, sources have confirmed that aggreste family arc will be over in S5, ...so if they want to bring emilie back...so now is the only chance ...it could be done in one of the following ways...she will be brought back in s5ep 1 ,using bunny miraculous...
Or in s5 ...ep 20 revelation...or in s5 episode...Last day...bcoz I assume its last day meaning gabe used the two miraculous to fulfill his wish
The most annoying thing to me is the fact, that they did nothing with returning monk temple in Feast? Like yeah, I know there is that guardian guy in S4, but why don't Gabe just travel there and ask monks for help? He could even lie that they was just using miraculous for fun and his wife is sick. Im pretty sure they could heal her somehow. Same with Nathalie.
If Gab got his wish......ladybug survives intact and Emilie comes back evil then goes after Chat knowing he's Adrien...maybe even try killing Ladybug- that would turn him against her. Then Ladybug's wish could come into play.
But I truely believe that Emilie is a sweet loving person. That's is why Gab is soo obsessed. She saw the good and brought out the good in him.
She is also the mold for Adrien's loving character. Her loss would drive Gabriel over the edge and Adrien would have to strengthen to defeat his father and take him afterwards.
ISTG if Emilie is much more manipulative and devilish compare to Gabe, which Adrien doesn’t realize, I will literally snatch Adrien from them and give him a therapist and a loving family.
The thing is Ezra already said that he has a VA for Emilie in season 5 so that means that we're probably going to see Emilie in Season 5. I nthe flesh. If not, flashbacks.
REALLY OMFG ?
@@dahyuns2879 Yip lmaoo
Felix won't actually have any embarrassing defeats when he and Lila are the next big bads of the show, he might actually bamboozle the protagonists unlike how they always did with Gabriel. Like he won't just be doing bad things he will actually be orchestrating some strategies to slowly work in to his master plan for the right opportunity to seize Ladybug and Cat Noir's miraculous and take em so he can use em to create a fresh parallel universe where Adrien doesn't exist, his dad and auntie are alive and well, and he and Lila will have better past child lives than the ones that made em what they are now. Yeah a few times it'll look like he's hammering it in civilian form but it's actually part of his coherent and creative strategic plan when he becomes a Lex Luthor copycat with the Peacock Miraculous to become Mayor of Paris and also turn the public against Adrien and his friends when he finds out he's Cat Noir and they're the other heroes on his team boom successful progress for him
Yeah I know 😊 😉
Could you do a season 4 episode ranking?
Yes please do it!
They should do an episode where they bring her back and then time travel reset just to see what she is like
As much as we'd love for Emilie to come back, I don't think the writers have the actual balls to do it and even if they did, I feel like it'd be poorly executed.
Emilie is even less relevant than the fireman guy at this point. I honestly forgot she's the main reason why Gabe doing all ghis things, bcs what do we know about her? Nothing! 4 seasons in and we know nothing, and ghey expect us to care about her? Hardly amusing
It would've been fun to see her be revived, bond with Adrien shortly, find out what Adrien did, and try to battle/imprison him while Adrien just wants the perfect family. It's super easy to do this.
I don't want it to sound weird but actually being this show having no choice but to end up being so angst and tragic was the first and biggest reason I started watching this show at the very first place!
A boy whose father doesn't allow him out his whole life, a boy whose just lost his mother, a boy whose have to act like someone else cuz he know his father doesn't allow any flaws and tripping,
Him hardly ever having a simple breakfast with him.
And most importantly him not knowing all this time the enemy he fought so hard with was his own father.
And the fact that in the end Adrien will find out all of these, and learn that his own father was willing to kill every one just to bring his mother back..
And now in season 4 it got even worse that it seems like he's a sentimonster.
It's just so dark..
And I LOVE it!
I really wanted her to be the villain !!
Same,maybe it too complicated to pull through with
@@suck-cess50 I agree 👍 💯
I feel if Emily was brought back to life and Mari somehow kept her memories in a recreation that Felix and adrien wouldn’t exist in that alternate time line and that could be interesting but sad
Honestly, I wish they hadn’t said that the entire universe would be rewritten if the powers were used, cause it undermines what master fu said in the episode robustus. How the universe would balance out and that someone else would lose their humanity. I though from that, that when Gabriel finally made his wish to bring back emilie, then either adrien or Natalie would be the price
Of course Adrien would be the price to pay since Emilie is in her current state because she created Adrien
Y'know i've always seen what Gabriel wants to do differently. I've believed the sentitheory pretty much since i arrived in the fandom years ago, and since now it's semi confirmed i think this could be pretty plausible. So essentially Émilie isn't dead, she's actually in a coma. In Party Crasher Gabriel freaked out because the power ran out and her coffin showed it's battery life, which means that it keeps her alive somehow. She can't wake because she's too sick. She isn't dead to be revived. She got sick because she made Adrien with the miraculous while it was broken, but Gabriel wants to recreate a world in which he, Adrien and Émile coexist and she never got sick. I always thought Gabriel acted like a dick towards his son because he doesn't think that it matters in this reality, since when he recreates the universe none of his neglect in-show would have happened. It's obvious that he cares for him (ex. gorizilla, collector, style queen, queen wasp, glaciator 2.0, etc etc; chat blanc and ephemeral are kinda weird and everyone is ooc in them tbh). It was kinda funny to see people be surprised he wants to recreate the world because that's what i thought he wanted to do in the first place lol
@Goldensun exactly ! i just can't accept that Gabriel doesn't love him at all :')
well perhaps they may actually focus on the agreste familly in s5 because ezra wize the director for the english dub said that they already have a voice actor for emilly agreste so there are only two possible scenarios
1 they shows us the back story of the agreste familly
2 emilly agreste returns
so its 50 50 whether will see scenario 1 or 2 but there is also a chance of seen both . I mean it would creat such a nice scenario if they did both and is possible since they said s5 would be the best season also chat would get a huge character development and eventually maybe some more ladynoir?[i mean we ll can agree that ladynoir is almost cannon for s5 ] but anyways i am super hyped for s5elbowcoughvirtualhug🤯🥳🥳🥳🥳
They could do what they’ve always done before. Pull it out of their butts. Have to rewrite the universe? Nah, it’s a time paradox like you see in the Flash. She never died so things are changed according to that. Ladybug remembers and they focus more on her even though it’s Agreste family sucks stuff (Adrien aside of course) and she eventually realizes she can’t change everything for some reason and they’re stuck with that reality fighting Em. She’ll keep it a secret from Adrien for a while but eventually he’ll find out, the love square will fully reverse as CN decides he cannot trust LB and falls out of love with her and into love with Marinette though he still treats LB kindly after a bit and Marinette likes CN who has always been there for her and that blinds her to Adrien’s affection
And actually unpopular opinion, I actually believe Adrien is the next Hawkmoth.
Yeah Yeah I know it'd be too dark but..
We already have Chat blanc so we know writers actually did make the choice to make him look like antagonist, and there has been so many episodes that he's actually on the villains side..
But man the fact that after Hawkmoth being defeated he'll be having the biggest reason to be the new Hawkmoth and the only one that can steal it after it getting received by LB..
AND season 2 opening..
It just make so much sense to me, I really hope it'll happen
This will be OUT OF THIS WORLD!
I don't really care about her anymore, because there is nothing about her for me to care for. Do u know who she is what she likes if she is evil or not evil. No maybe because the writers haven't done anything with such a great idea
Preach brother
@@MG555-g5v sure mate
Ima be honest, I used to always wonder about Emily, and what she was like. But now, I don’t really care. They rarely even talk about her, and when they do it’s just the same thing. No new information
Really? What about the twin rings? And her twin sister?
@@vladimir3905 yeah, I would like to see that. but I don't think well see that anytime soon.
I feel like we should just get a Emilie flashback.
Yeah that would be amazing 👏 😍 🙌
Me who's seen the evolution trailer. Your prayers have been possibly answered!
Nope. I still don't believe Emilie is evil! In Feast. Adrien said she was the only who could make him laugh. Next to Plagg. Not counting Marinette because season 4 is just a shit season.
Hm, interesting, very good, fair and valid points, i can see where you coming from, let’s see how things goes.
I agree
All hope of Emilie coming back was lost when this stupid destory the universe crap was revealed. They could've gone with some cosmic irony that Mr Smooth Brain dies after she got revived. But no, the whole universe blows up instead.
Why would he have to die? That's stupid 😆
@@vladimir3905 Did you miss the cosmic irony part? To bring someone back another has to die.
@@crossfire34 Adrien would be the ideal option, he is the reason Emilie is like that after all.
Or how about this Gabriel moves with a little of persuading from his son and starts dating Natalie and gives up his miraculous
i think it actualy could work whit an alternetive universe if it was handled like the she-ra reboot from 2018 where adora gets put in an alternetive univere that was created whit a machine the villian catra tried to use. where everything seems perefect but something just feels of. and the world slowly starts to crumble and glitch out and both marinet and adrien get glipses of the univerese they sould be in. And at the end they might have goten their powers back and its going to be a big sacrefice to save everyone but mabye ether Emelie or Gabriel sacrefices themselfs. It could mabye ether be that while adrien have the glimpses he tells his revived mom and she figures out whats going on because adrien dont remember chatnoir is a secret.Or gabriel relises this isnt what he wanted and he dont want his son to die so he sacrefices himslef to save the universe.
Tbh two other threads
1) they commit to the new timeline essentially rebooting the series (not likely but it could serve as an excuse to basically re-do the show as Thomas is leaving as the show running after s5)
2) Make it so by getting rid dead you have dead Adrian. Marinette then has to convince either Gabe or Emily (both maybe) that Adrian existed but now doesn't.
2.5) now using or not using this thread of logic to have Adrian back a life must be taken. So Emily has to be re-dead so Adrian can live or Gabe has to be the new dead to have them both live in his place. (If felix is a senti monster i guess chuck his parents in too)
I think there’s a 33% chance of Gabriel bringing back Emile due to episode 1… maybe the reason Natalie says make the right decision in the season 5 trailer is because maybe if Gabriel gives himself the USB stick then he and his universe will be wiped out because Gabriel would change the course of history
So maybe instead of giving himself the USB he kidnaps her 😱
I genuinely think there is the tiniest bit chance that Gabriel will get Emilie back in season 5 episode 1 either by giving up the USB to his younger self or by kidnapping Emilie… also bruh imagine what Emilie will think of monarch’s costume…
Bruh also if optigami happened in season 5 then I think stlye Queen would reject the akuma cuz of Monarch’s cons time 😂
I definitely agree that at no point will Gabe be able to make his wish. I don't know how much of season 5 they plan to use to sort of go down the rabbit hole with regard to Emily. I always thought that Adrien's parents were just super overprotective and spoiled Adrien, and simply the loss of Emily triggered Gabe into madness and not that she was inherently evil. I just don't feel like there is enough time in season 5 to explore that story line. I also believed since ladybug was able to create the lucky charms in Mr. Pigeon 72 that she would create a power that could somehow cure Emily or bring her back to Life at the end of Gabe's arc to kind of free him from his pain and fix the wrongs that caused him to become evil. Then again in season 1 Gabe's main point of motivation is power and ruling the world, maybe ladybug assisting him helps to end those endeavors?
bet she is gonna be something that Gabriel can never be...SMART
Agree
Maybe they will do something a little bit like jojo part 6 and create a different universe with call backs to part 1 to 5
Would you like me to write this more for Emilie to be a bad girl and Gabriel is her simp?
Amazing video smarty pants
AU where Emily is Hawkmoth
I desperately want to see Gabriel get his wish, idc how
But yeah possibly, sadness
She did
I think Adrian and marinette would have to get here own miraculous so they can a wise so everything go back to normal. Then ladybug grabs the butterfly miraculous from Gabriel and she uses her luckycharm/miraculous ladybug to bring Emily back
I think she is more of an antihero.
I hate the sentimonster theory, but I like the theory where she only used it to have a child because she was barren.
I feel like she was stuck in a sticky situation. Considering Felix was originally afraid of Gabe, I think he abused him too. Considering they both look at Emily in adoration, she is a secret savior.
Maybe she was controlled too. Gabe is a workaholic so I believe he went to the office and Emelie took care of Adrien. When Gabe was not home, they were happy. When Gabe came home, he controlled both of them.
He is not happy being a father. He rarely cared for his son so Emelie stepped in as the nurturer. Maybe she homeschooled him. Who knows?
That is why I think she is more of an antihero for these reasons. Can’t fight back but still took care of Adrien and at one point, Felix.
It will work if only adrien remembers and not marinette
I think the writers started the show off with another plan for Emilie and Adrien's relation before late season 2ish because him being rejected from going to school, bad gifts for years sounds like she was abusive but now she's an angel? It needs to make sense.
Why now is she an angel?
wake up guys smarty pants posted
I don’t want Adrian to be a senti-monster
Watch slug terra on youtube
What if Adrien got the of back and used it instead? We get to see a Marinette who can talk to him without being creepy and it would give a better angsty flavour to Cat Noire. But they probably won't do it because Adrien would have to be the focus instead.
I think adrien sure really find out his parents backstorys about what happen in the past
I guess is a mather of time , what ther build up , execution and all to be reconn or reset
I mean we 4 seasson in ,at this people have expetations and know the dance ther do
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Emilie was the actress of the film solitude as a kind empathic woman loved her clan more than anything Gabriel mentioned that his wife was stubborn and headstrong as Adrian mentioned according to his father she was a peacock miraculous holder years ago until she fell into coma while in a pod Gabriel is still after the ladybug and cat miraculous team miraculous are in great danger as the rest of their miraculous was stolen by hawk moth not holding back to get his wish again will ladybug and cat noir recover the rest of the miraculous?
Let's hope adrien/cat noir will never become a supervillain
I pity Adrien
Honestly I feel it would be totally on brand for the writers just to give a few more fake outs with Gab getting the miraculous only for it to be yanked out from under him at the last minute. Come to think of it, even if he gets the wish he can't bring Emily back to life, it would just be a counterfeit version of her.
Not only would miraculum create an alternate universe but in which memories would be altered but also some other person would lose their consciousness and it could be someone close to Adrien. It must be so as we learn it in episode where Markov the robot wants to become a human. Master Fu says that if Markov became human someone else’s consciousness would be lost.
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Yay you are early ,go grab a shampegne and raise a toast
There are lots of dark secrets that are within the Agreste Family
I Agree The Emile Being The Finale-Villain Theory Will Definitely Will Not Happen Because That Theory is BS, I Always Want to Feel Like Season5 Will Have Less Mary-Sue and Poor-Writing Marinette, Since Mary-Sue Marinette is Very Too-Much and Now, in Season5, Marinette is Going to Fix Her Mary-Sue Mistake and Her Sins During Season5's 27 Episodes
Marinette is not a Mary Sue though
No
I honestly don't get the "Emilie was evil" thing tbh. I feel like there's explanations for everything. I don't like "Adrien is a Senti" for the same reasons, plus in his case, it defeats his whole character arc of wanting to break free from control if that is never a real option for him. But it looks like a theory that holds a lot of water, even if I hate the theory.
The fact Adrien has accepted that his mother is gone, and even accepted his father being with Nathalie, is to me, implying they never meant for her to be evil and that the endgame is Gabriel finally learning to let go. Gabriel hitting the coffin so hard the glass cracks also strikes me as hinting that he's got to let her go. When Adrien finds out in Ephemeral about Emilie, he's horrified. He's not relieved. He's not willing to help his father. He actually refuses until he's made to obey.
Emilie will probably be a wasted character. I think it'd be really cool if they showed us an evil Emilie, but the only way I think they could is if it's via a prophetic dream. Especially since S5 is supposed to be the end of the Agreste family arc.
I think the ONLY way Emilie could be evil is if it's acutally Amelie in the case and Emilie is pretending to be her.
Yeah I agree 👍 💯
I agree. Especially on the whole "Adrien is actually a Sentimonster" Thing.
It's not only weird but it almost feels like it would take away something.
Adrien no longer obeys his Father simply because he has been conditioned all his Life to behave like the perfect Son and lacks the Confidence to challenge him.....no, it's just because he has been controlled by a piece of magical Jewelry all along. 😒
I feel like she could be a momentary plot device who happens to be the key to victory in some way for EITHER side somehow
guess the next part ending of the Agreste family is explanation from Ladybug and cat noir of Gabriel's and Natalie's motives, Natalie: AND OUR PLAN WOULD WIN TOO IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU MEDDLING KIDS and your Detective adults! the French people might Booed to Natalie, Gabriel, Lila and Chloe for crimes
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Good for you, you want a toast point or something
@@MG555-g5v hand me some toast
@@gigiisaweirdo8175 lol at least you didn't say first like some people
Tbh the single worst thing that they could do is bring her back and then she's exactly like how she's described lmao. Now that would be a waste of a character.
Why
@@TheSultan1470 Because it would be boring lmao. The villain wins and nothing interesting comes out of it.
@@moon4236 Oh... ok...
@@TheSultan1470 That's just my opinion at least
@@moon4236 Alright.
you know, your video actually made me realize - they couldve easily made Zoe a good character, if they made an episode, where Gabe gets to fulfill his wish without stopping, a new almost-identical world is created where zoe appears as a character, someone figures out the inconsistencies in the weird world that Gabe creates and actually goes back in time, then, when its all back to normal - time anomalies occur - such as Zoe, a character that was never there, but now everyone feels and acts like she always has been there.
Why would Gabe time travel? Creating a new world would separate completely from this one. Are you saying he would travel back in time to stop the creation of a new world?
Emilie wasn't evil, if she was the Peacock Miraculous would look a lot evil looking when she was the holder when it was in camouflage mode like it did with Nathalie and Felix
Yeah I agree 👍 💯
I wish we got more of the agreste family and the relation between Felix and Adrien with the ring, instead of showing us Marinette planning another way to stalk Adrien
I would have loved Emilie as a villain but they’ve dragged the Agreste plotline for far too long that at this rate I really could care less about her.
Also I don’t want her to come back because I’m rooting for Gabenath to become canon after Gabriel goes to Jail/a mental institution or both and undergoes some serious therapy.
I agree!
But Nathalie is dying
Gabenath is gross! It's like Maria and Alfred from Mad father! Creepy and possessive!