@@danielowentech Hey Daniel, the 5600 has no capability of RAMs above 3200 DDR4 right? Since I did make a build last year with a 5600 and If im ever going into the future for DDR5 4Ghz+ I would need a newer generation of Ryzen, my supposition.
I have a few mechanical hard drives in my very high-end system, they offer a huge capacity for cheap. I have four 12TB enterprise grade drives that I got for ~$120 each, they are running in Raid 5 currently but I plan to run ZFS on them instead. I blame Wendell from Level1Techs for my fascination with ZFS, it’s truly a really interesting file system.
Fr. Basically we are at a point where anything but a hdd is good enough. Even sata ssds are so much faster than an hdd that is a bloodbath in every metric. Even price! Ssds are cheap.. why would you consider hdd? Lol
@@christophermullins7163 HDD has its niche in actual storing data without being plugged in a PC. HDD can be left on the shelf for decades and keep data safe because of superior data retention. If you meant that there's no reason to consider HDD for gaming specifically - then you're 100% correct.
#ask he want to strem as well as he mentioned i think thats why he choose ryzen 7 5800x So my questions is that That pc recommended is good for 1080 p streaming with lots of overlay and notifications Please replay ????
If there's anything I learned from building PCs it's that these days you absolutely must have an SSD for your operating system. It's the single best bang for a buck upgrade you can do. Seeing that powerful machine with a single HDD made me very sad :'(
Especially when there's 1tb m.2 ssds around for the same price. Saw one on sale recently for 35€, of course it wouldn't be "the best" SSD out there but it will easily beat an HDD in speed by a ton.
I don't think SSD's provide a good value for the money for mass storage. 1 TB is nothing, considering many games are now installing at 100 GB or more. I think SSD's really shine when they are used as read cache, to create virtual hybrid drives.
there's a channel called "PC Builder" run by a lovely man named Jason, I would recommend his "Boost My Build" series for those who wants ideas or suggestions at whatever price ranges : )
Proves that mathematicians excel in efficiency. Great build, Daniel. Love it! Also, reusing older PC cases could save a bit more for literally no downside (if you upgrade the front USB/3.5 panel).
Yeah, this was listed as a "first build" so I assumed he didn't already have any parts. But for many people it makes sense to keep the case, and maybe power supply and CPU cooler from an older build to save money.
@@danielowentech My latest build a 5900X, I kept the case, power supply, CPU cooler and RAM from my 6700K. That's why I was able to get the 5900X. Then when the miners went away I got a 4070 and upgraded my RAM from 2400 to 3600. Upgrading not all in one go is how I roll. I came across your channel not long ago and thought OMG someone else who likes Mathematics, it usually goes the other way :)
If it's cheap and they are making profit... always search elsewhere. Those are meant for not tech savvy people since I'd search on the used market first. RAM can be funky, specially if those are the ones that only have chips in one side. Same with the mobo because it can be just a barebones lack in VRM and ports.
They don't have Micro Centre, Best Buy or Newegg in the country I live in. The prices he shows in dollars are a lot less than the prices I see in stores.
I'm surprised you went with this build instead of the $2600 one with a 3060 that was right next to it lol. Very glad to see this video though as way too many people don't know how to effectively build a balanced pc.
Tbh I’m having a similar issue where I was expecting like 1500CAD/1100USD for a prospective build with a 3060 and 7600x but the parts (no peripherals, as I already have them for my laptop) cost like 1750-1800CAD/1300USD
@@4hedron852 well part of you problem is wanting a 3060 over any better card for the same price, but also $1100 US is a bit high, but isnt that unreasonable for an AM5 system. If you want cheaper than that then AM4 will last a good bit longer but has no upgrade path. I did a test build of an AM4 system with a 5600x for about $750, and a system with a 7600x and it's about $200 more for the AM5 system. I should mention Canadian prices wont translate 1 to 1 so its a bit hard to give full advice. Here in the US, the 3060 is a waste over a 6700xt, but that might not translate for you.
@@4hedron852 actually I misread your comment, 1300 is definitely high. I just imagine you are going a bit overboard on something like the case, ram, or storage
I live in Canada, and I think the 6700XT would be a much better choice at a similar price, however, 3060's are dropping massively in price as of late, so they might not be price competitors anymore. I'd still take a 6600 at 240 CAD or a 6650xt/7600 at 350 over the 3060, but they might want the extra vram.
@@AmosDohms yeah the price difference here is $270 for a 3060 and about $300 for a 6700xt, thats a no brainer to me. If the 4060 was to launch with 12gb or 16gb, I would say wait for it, but $300 for 8gb is a hard sell.
These are my favorite type of build videos. Please keep doing these type of build videos. These are the question people ask me about pc building all the time at work. I think the build you were comparing against was initially $1000 as the psu was $177 and the case had another $100 shipping on top. Then he added the 2 $100 monitors 😭
I agree, and while I didn't fully explain it in the video, that's one reason why I made my first edit come in at $1000 and then targeted some $1200 options afterwards.
@@danielowentech I was surprised you were able to get such a better price to performance build $1,200 compared to the original person. I was thinking putting together a budget build with AM4 but you convinced me that there are pretty good deals for AM5 MOBO that won’t break your wallet out there. Currently I am torn with doing a $500 or $600 budget build for my first build or going with a similar $1,200 build you put together. At least you showed it is possible.
@@Bojeezy if you can stretch to 1200 then go for as it will give you massive performance boost but if you compromise to about 800-1000 it will be ok as well, especially if you are targeting just 1080p with reasonable fps.
Makes no sense to be buying a case for damn near more then a 100$, there are really good case less then that. I got my phantek for damn near 5 years now and still love it, I did not pay 100$ for it but I did get it when it was on sale..
Respect for your work ethic Daniel. When I was a classroom teacher I had no brain left to function when I got home. No way I’d have the energy to produce a quality product you turn out regularly! Keep it up!
Also Daniel for the love of god. Intel 670p or nothing for cheap SSDs. It has DRAM and that is the single most important thing about budget SSDs. If it has no DRAM it's an automatic no buy (and the Intel SSD is only like 5$ more vs the garbage MP33)
I agree that certain components in my build were more placeholders than specifically researched optimized parts. This was more of a live reaction video showing how to cut down a truly terrible build to something that offers way more performance per dollar. If I was doing a fully optimized and researched build list I would take a bit more time to research SSDs, motherboards, RAM, and PSU to see if we could squeeze out a few small upgrades for around the same price.
@@Ghostlynotme445 the mods use this feature called automod to remove and curate the sub to how they are paid. automod is designed so that you can automatically remove words or terms like racial slurs. so if i person were to write a racial slur then their comment wont even post. To that person it will look like it posted but no one else can see that comment. Instead of using it to filter out racial slurs they use to remove terms like "get intel" so if anyone tells anyone to get intel anywhere in the post then the comment is removed. I noticed this and called them out and they removed the "get intel" phrase from their auto mod, but i found of bunch of other terms they have set in automod to curate the sub. Its incredible sketch that they do this and if you point it out in anyway they just ban you.
Great educational content! Couple thoughts: going with a trusted brand for a few bucks more for RAM is worthwhile (warranty, reliability, etc) Worth calling out that even a slow m2 is ~40-50x faster than an hdd (its not a small difference) Overall great, keep it up!
The Ryzen stock cpu cooler is good if you're not messing around with overclocking. There was a consensus between Gamers Nexus and LTT about one of the best, low cost cpu coolers that's in the ~$40 range that works fantastic for OC.
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future....
Great video, I always like cooking up theoretical budget systems. It's true that AM4 is now a dead platform but it is impressive how far your money can go if you decide to go that route and don't mind upgrading for a while. Right now you can get a 8 core 16 hread CPU with a decent cooler, a 6950XT, a Wifi Motherboard, 32 GBs of CL16 3200 RAM, 2 TB NVME, 650w 80+ Gold PSU, and a case with good air flow and 4 included fans, all for exactly $1200. What a time to build a PC.
Most of the criticisms of the build were very good. But I think you missed something: The case had a $100 delivery fee, which to me suggests that the user who built the list was in a different region. It may be the total price of the list was substantially lower in their region. However, regardless of region, your build was clearly better.
Oh man, how often have I thrown out Super Flower from my PSU upgrade considerations because the name sounds like the worst Ali Express junk that comes with some free fortune cookies... thanks for clearing that up! PSUs are really the one component in PC building I'm still having the most trouble with, I never know what brands are considered reliable at a certain time, and only a known name is meaningless too (see Gigabyte) because they all slap their logo on something obscure.
Good info, only things I would add to your process is looking for a motherboard with a bios flashback button to remove the issue of the bios possibly being outdated. As well as being more clear on the CPU cooler, while you or I may know better than to just throw in any $50 cooler, others don’t. So I’d suggest being more clear about getting a better cooler for your money, such as the peerless assassin you mentioned, Deepcool AG620, scythe Fuma 2, etc. These will greatly outperform the single tower cooler you left in
I got a PC right when DDR3 was transitioning into DDR4, and the next upgrade was when DDR4 was transitioning into DDR5. To me, the "upgradability" path is a myth, RAM is really expensive at the beginning and REALLY cheap at the end which saves you a lot of money, and rarely will one _have to_ upgrade from one gen to the next. It's much better to focus on the cut prices of the previous gen, and spend some "extra" cash on good reliable case, power supply and cooling that can be transfered over to the next build.
Agreed. If you're gonna go full on future proofing you're gonna spend a lot $$. I think one should just buy stuff accordingly to their budget, just don't buy outdated stuff and you're good to go
I just put together a pc for a friend in Canada that was on a budget of around $250 Cdn, a Dell i7 6700, 16gb ram, 1tb drive pc ($120 cdn), I upgraded the psu (650W Bronze, $40 Cdn) and put in a gtx 1080 ($100 Cdn). I bought all 3 on a used parts site for $260Cdn total, (About $200 U.S). This person plays at 1080p, I was surprised what it could do for the money. (It's been a LONG time since I've bought any used pc parts for myself.)
Good video. I did over spend on my PC and I knew it. I am in the medical field and make decent money. I spent a little over 3k on my PC but not everyone can do that. This is great for those with a budget.
Thanks for explaining how budgets work! The attitude that just because one part of the build is expensive you must include something else expensive is all too common. Eg. ”Anyone buying a $1700 GPU can afford a 7950X3D and PCIe 5.0 SSD.”
Might as well water cool everything despite in 2023 being mostly just aesthetic plus a PITA, and get case fans that are 25$ a pop, make sure the case itself is almost 300$, gotta have RGB etc. Do not forget to come on social media, YT/reddit/wherever to post about how affordable the 3000$ build was "not bad, but yea i wouldn't advise anyone getting into PC with just 1000$". Consoles are only marketable because the gross majority actively refuse to get a clue.
Two small tweaks I would make to your overall build idea to further solidify future performance, one would be the ram, 32gb of 3600mhz ram is like $10 extra at most and locks you into one of 4 memory ICs. Hynix CJR/DJR or Micron rev e/b which are miles better than some of the 3200 c16 bins. Second the ssd, I'd never suggest anything without dram as a boot drive, there are better options for less than $10 more. Overall you hit pretty square on what people should be looking for their builds.
DRAMless as a boot drive is actually completely fine. I use 2 right now in 2 different machines at home, they're fast and way better than any HDD. In some countries anything with DRAM is completely overpriced tho.
@@sweetsurrender815 This mostly applies to US pricing anyhow, depending on what country you're in I wouldn't even consider half of what's available here cause pricing is so bad elsewhere. MP34 2tb is $80 and uses phison E12 controller with dram, keeping up with most top gen 3 ssds, no reason to go with anything else in my mind.
@@SyndicatesFollower yeah that's fair, I was mostly mentioning it because some people might read the comment and misunderstand it to being slower than an HDD.
@@sweetsurrender815 Yeah any nvme is far better than an hdd, dramless TLC based ssds tend to fare much better than QLC drives so that's one thing I'd watch out for in other countries, otherwise in the US get the MP34 and be done.
People are still buying old school HDDs as their system drives in 2023? Jeez... talk about chocking your system in order to save ... what? ... 20 to 40 bucks? Matter of fact, I wouldn't even put an HDD into a new system as a data-dump. Only reason why I still have one in my 2022 system is that it's an older HDD and I was too lazy to go through it and save the data to an SSD or M.2. Switching from an HDD to an SATA SSD back in..err.. 2015 or so? was probably the single biggest performance boost I ever experienced when upgrading a single component. Much more noticeable IMO than going from an SATA SSD to an M.2.
I really like the choices you made and the RAM kit at least said "RGB EDITION", excellent explonation for why changing those parts as well, great job. And thanks for letting me know about Super Flower never heard of them before and wouldn´t have otherwise, my list of PSU brands I concider is quite short: SeaSonic, Silverstone, FSP Group, Thermaltake. Why is Thermaltake in my list? Got an 20 years old Thermaltake PSU which is still running fine so no reason to distrust them unlike the beQuiet which failed me shortly after it´s 3 years warranty. My current is Thermaltake again and them offering 5 years warranty is comforting after the already good experience. Don´t know about the "upgrade path", Ryzen 9xxx will be on AM6 socket that already leaked.
built my parents a computer with a 5600G (no gpu tho because they didn't need one) less than $1400 AUSTRALIAN dollars. That included 5600g, wifi mobo, 16gb 3600mhz cl16 ram, 1TB m.2, fully modular 750W 80+gold PSU (ik overkill but it was Aud$120 and the cheapest good psu they had), case with fans, internal optical drive, 60hz monitor, mouse, printer/scanner/fax, full price win11 and microsoft office. (my first build too i feel like i did well)
I think the most important question is to figure out if you want a gaming PC or general purpose PC. If you're building general purpose PC, I'd go with Intel 13600K nowadays. It has insane performance for general purpose computing compared to cost. However, for gaming alone, that's totally overkill if you have GPU costing less than $1000. That said, the cost of fast DDR5 memory is still so high that I'd probably go with 13600K combined with DDR4 RAM.
I don't agree with you on the MB Owen. Let me elaborate. First, Mb is the Most Pain in the ass component to swap. Second, It's the Most Important Foundation component. It depends what you can put on it. You are correct you do not depend on Performance much there but You DO on Future proofing, and that is 101 of Saving Money. Make it last as long as possible. And since your performance doesn't directly depend on it, but support does. It's a no-brainer. In Serbia for Example Most people have B450 MB People dont really Buy B550s because in the case of Power surges and stuff like that You lose your CPU, B450 can take ANY AM4 Ryzen, B550 doesn't. You can Plop a 20$ R3 1200 and have a working system again, whereas B550 options start at 70$. Considering with Power surges you usually need a New PSU and some more, it's very important. I know Its the US way to only look at short term gains, we do it a bit Differently in Other parts of the world. If I can get a MB that supports ANY CPU including the TOP and OC on that. That is the Best Buy. Because If you buy a 80$ MB now and Later Upgrade to 190$ one, that's not saving money. Buying one 180$ is. I get your point, But your thinking is a bit Rigid.
One little nitpick about cases with preinstalled fans: They're typically garbage quality fans that are meqnt to run at a fixed speed, and not a very high speed at that. Yes, they move air, but they're not going to do it well. I'd rather get a case with no fans, and a 5 pack of Arctic P12PWM PSTs.
Protip: Buy intel. Buy nvidia. Always. The performance means absolutely nothing. The only thing that matters is software/driver stability. Thats it. Thats all that matters. The hardware has to run your operating system and your programs with no bugs/crashing/problems that you have to spend hours of your life trouble shooting. I have been burned by AMD CPUs and GPU's constantly for the last 15 goddamn years of my life and I will never buy that company's trash ever again. The FPS means literally....nothing. Your time is more valuable than saving a few hundred bucks.
For a case, a montech sky two is a much better choice, it has a fan under the gpu, it looks fantastic and it supports 360mm rads on top And it costs like 70 bucks
the kicker is that you can find a 6800xt on the used market for around $400, meaning that you could buy more ram or storage within the budget of that build
18:55 The monitor choice might seem wrong, but as a 1080p 144hz owner I'd say it's probably not. While I'd really like to go 1440p, I found 27 inch monitors too big. Yes, there are a few 24 inch 1440p but they're less ubiquitous and for some reason more expensive than 27-inch ones. Also, contrary to most people, while I notice the difference from 60 to 144 on very fast moving gameplay, it's nowhere near the brutal difference seen when going from 30 to 60. So, 75 might be just fine as long as it has freesync included (I'd still prefer 120 over 75 or 144, because it's the exact double of 60 and I'm obsessive).
@@sweetsurrender815 I don't think it's about what should it be in 2023, but more about what your eye perceives and if you enjoy it or not. 60 fps is already acceptable for the vast majority of gameplay experiences, 75 is a little bit better, and it's great for the price.
Unless theyre hardcore fps gamers, odds are they wont notice. They will notice 1080 vs 1440 vs 4k for movies and such. Odds are that the average person who plays a few game (the vast majority of consumers) is not obsessed with high fps performance at the expense of being able to watch Netflix in 4k.
I want to build an “esports” pc where I get the highest possible FPS at 1080p low graphic settings. Would it be a bad idea to pair the 7800x3d with a 6700xt. Because I don’t need good graphics, I just want to pump out as many frames as possible! Could you do a video about this?
Gamers (mostly young gamers) are WAY too obsessed over aesthetics, so they spend their limited funds on the case and a lot of useless and frustrating RGB. If your budget is tight and you want to run games as fast as possible for the money, ditch the RGB and skip the case altogether. Your PC can run just fine sitting on the motherboard box until you save up for a case. Aesthetics DO matter, but only in your display and the GPU that drives it.
if that motherboard doesn't have bios flashback it probably safer to get the 5600x for 20 bucks more, otherwise if the bios on the motherboard isn't updates will not work on 5600, and I doubt a new builder has a spare compatible cpu to update the bios
Homestly for someone who is just getting into PC gaming, there’s no reason getting 2TB of storage to start out with. You’re not going to have a vast game library to yet, so there’s no need to future-proof something that can be easily and inexpensively expanded.
you don't mention why more expensive motherboards exist. usually the more expensive mobo is the more better built-in soundcard and other features you get. I sticked to the one which costed more only because the sound is way better than the cheaper and you don't need to buy a separate soundcard for PCI-e
Funny thing, I have built my own PCs for the last 20 years or so. A couple years ago, almost to the day, I bought a prebuilt, it was on sale. I priced out the components and I couldn't buy them for as cheap as the computer was. One part in particular was the video card (at that time) at $599 msrp, but closer to 1000 in the real world, if you could find it. So, I bought my first prebuilt PC in many years, from the Egg. They went a little lower spec than I would have on a couple of things, but all name brand parts, Aorus Elite mobo, EVGA G3 750 watt 80+ gold, 10700k, EVGA 280 AIO cooler, EVGA RTX 3070, 1tb M.2, etc. And a lot of RGB that I don't need. I actually just put a 7900xtx in it last month and sold the 3070 for $300. It made me happy anyhow. Might not be tha same scenario today I guess.
One thing that's easy to overlook when deciding on a wifi or non wifi version of a mobo is Bluetooth. Ive never see a non wifi mobo have Bluetooth. I didn't realize that when I bought mine and had to buy a wifi/Bluetooth pcie card eventually.
I don't have wifi or BT as my gaming rigs are all 1Gb wired. Keyboard and mouse are all USB or with USB dongle. No need for BT and if I have to transfer things from tablet/phone there is still the good old USB data cable way faster than BT.
This is easily overlooked, but in stead of a PCIe card you could also just get a USB dongle for $5. You wont have an antenna with that, but if you're not going far from the PC it should be OK. I have used both and the difference in performance was the dongle worked fine with my wireless headset in the next room, while with BT built in to the MB and an antenna I could go two rooms over. I live in a brick house though, with rebar in the walls, so that's far from ideal for the signal. Honestly I think the difference was down to being able to place the antenna further up in elevation than the dongle.
When picking an SSD make sure it is TLC and absolutely not QLC! If you copy more than a few GB onto an QLC drive it will literally write slower than a Harddrive.
As a newbie it is still difficult to build a optimized pc. Gaining the technical knowledge is also quite difficult when looking at the amount of hardware components.
Avoid buying the X version of Ryzen CPU's since you can just easily overclock the non-X versions, it's like less than 5% of difference. For ryzen 5000 you will want between 3200-3600 due to the infinity cache, 3600 will have less stutters overall, cas latency is meh since you can use the first word latency, so don't go over 10ns on that one and you will be good. You don't need 32GB unless you play minecraft or modded games in general with lots of mods and so on. If you do more than games on your PC, get both an SSD and an HDD, i'd get a 1-2TB SSD and a 1TB HDD, and you will use the HDD to save everything that isn't games, like images, videos documents and files in general, you don't need an SSD for files so you will save space and money saving those on an HDD. When you get more money, make sure to have a backup system so you don't lose your files if anything happens to your PC, ALWAYS HAVE BACKUPS. Never cheap out on PSU's GPU of your choice just make sure to care about VRAM and price/perfomance ratio.
Yeah, that build was full of bad decisions. PSU was laughably overpriced. Makes you wish you could find that person's ear before they put together that mess. I don't have an issue with them wanting 8 cores but the 5700 makes more sense if you're staying budget, and if you want to step up the 12700kf has been seen many times as low as $230 which would annihilate either of those Zen3 chips. I still run hard drives but they're supplemental to my NVMe 4.0 drives for cheap mass storage that doesn't need speed.
@@zodwraith5745 Yeah I actually upgraded my bios to support Ryzen 5000 series cpus so I should be good to go(it's a MSI B450 Tomahawk Max). Planning to get the Ryzen 7 5700x this summer.
@@masterlee1988 Yeah, the Tomahawks have always been a great value/feature balance. You get $400 features without the $400 price. I'm personally on a Z690 Tomahawk. Wifi 6 and bluetooth, beefy VRMs, and gobs of USB connections and NVME slots. They've always been the best mix of features you want without getting stupid expensive.
Bad advice. I won't even comment on the sheeple/fanboys/groupies that applaud literally anything a youtuber does these days without as much as a singular critical thought... Like the other channel, PC Builder, you give absolutely zero consideration to brand, quality and reliability. You literally pick the cheapest available components. Super easy to do, sure - just go to partpicker, sort by price, get a clickbait video. Anyone can do this. What you seem to lack is any kind of real world, not to mention long-term, experience, which would actually be worth sharing. Are you seriously suggesting that you get the same reliability/quality with Asrock or whatever that RAM brand is in the video, as you do with Asus, Gigabyte, Kingston, etc.? Components like mobo, psu, ram actually matter a lot and they can severely affect your gaming performance, often resulting in things like instability/stutter. Also, don't expect cheap parts to last as long, due to cheaper components used (e.g. capacitors).
$171 for a 550 w power supply is insane i spent $165 for a 1000 w power supply same efficiency grade you can also lower the budget on ram and get the g skill flare x5 32gb kit ddr 6000 cl 36 for $99.99 its just cheaping out on 5 dollars the case could also be cheaper i use a rosewell s 500 and it is a pretty decent case with 4 pre installed fans it costs 75 on amazon or 60 dollars on new egg the 21 extra dollars could be put towards the power color red dragon oc 6800xt which is 10 dollars more than the asrock you selected and can be overclocked
Fun to play along with you here. Great video. Your final build was spot on! PC's are more affordable than they have been in some time. Example (built this with a 4070 the other day for a buddy): Ryzen 5 7600 non-X (incl CPU Cooler), MSI Pro B650-P Motherboard, 32GB Gskill 5600 CL36 RAM, Samsung EVO M.2 2TB NVME, XFX 6700XT 12GB, Lian Li Lancool 215 RGB case, EVGA BR700 Bronze 80+ PSU. Total Price - $1,100. Upgrade to RTX 4070 will be $1,350. 6800XT version of this build $1270. Avoid 8GB Cards at all costs. Stick with current gen Ryzen if building new. Period. Please do not put new money for a new build into last gen Ryzen platform as you will regret it I promise. 5800X3D is great if you are on AM4 already. Drop in for cheap upgrade. Otherwise AM5 all day long.
@@RocketRenton Don't tell anyone but the whole PSU thing is blown WAY out of propoirtion. I have a few systems. One of them is a 7900XT+5800X3D+32GB DDR4+2xSSD's+NZXT AIO running just fine on an EVGA 650 watt PSU and from the wall pulls no more than 450 watts at max load. Almost 50% headroom to catch anomolies. I am sure PSU manufactuers would love everyone to have 1000 watt PSU's though. Crappy PSU's definately run unstable though. Have to buy quality. I personally choose Lian Li for the airflow. They are the best I have used and I have used dozens.
A good question for the AM4 is if they want a second system in the future, for a Nas or a sibling that doesn't need to be powerful. Second hand monitor market is really good near me for 144hz.
I'm also thinking of building a new PC, if you enjoy doing these videos, could you make a build for around €2000 (around $1800 I'd think)? (with both an Nvidia and AMD alternative) Really enjoying every video you put out!
@@yannick5352 The tax often gets overlooked. Also it seems to me AMD is significantly cheaper in the US than, at least, where I live in Europe. I often wonder if that is down to the retailers or if it's some kind of import/export thing. For example the 7900xtx and the 4080 have been almost the same price up until about a month ago. Only around May the difference went to about $200 cheaper for the xtx, which is what it has been in the US all the time.
@@yannick5352 its not that large a discrepancy as our prices already have tax. Outside GPUs that continue to be all over the place in the EU bloc, you'd be fine having at least 2000$ build made i.e. cheapest ryzen 5800X3D on US pcpartpicker 289.27$, 5800X3D on GER mindfactory, 285€.
Future proofing is for all parts except for the CPU, motherboard, and GPU. You won't regret buying premium parts for anything you will carry on to your future builds. High watt power supplies, hard drives, ssd, case, fans, CPU heatsink, keyboards, mice, headphones, speakers, and monitors should all be high quality.
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future....
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future....
This was a wonderful video and funny too, we don't need the new shiny , only paid 1200$ for my enter build in 2022 of a i9 12900k RTX 3090 64GB DDR4 3600, 1300 Wat PSU, 1tb m.2 and a fractal Torrent case all for just $1200.. if your asking how so cheap I lucked out and got a few things for free. I want a 4090 but given I got such a good deal I don't think it would be worth it, though I would like 120 FPS in 4k for my 144hz 4k monitor I have idk. I might sell my 3090 and just pay 1k for the 4090 but idk . what do you guys think? I want my PC to last me 5 years until the PS6 and Xbox Next in 2028. should I sell my 3090 and just pay the difference? or should I just stick with my current build
@@AmosDohms exactly the delima i'm in right now I cant decide, the 3090 will be worth less 2 years from now or fall of 2024. I feel like with the 5090 it will ensure it will last 4-5 years until the Playstation 6 and Xbox next etc . 3090 while great it wont last 5 more years at the high end no way not at 4k60. 4090 I will say has 3 years at the high end 4k120, and 3-5 years at 1440p ultra etc . 3090 is becoming a 1440p ultra card right now. So idk now. I don't know what to do.
Daniel, that is what I tell people all the time. Rgb won't make your PC faster, you are paying a premium for RGB. If they have a budget to stick to, I will tell them to skip anything with RGB if you can like Ram, GPU, Mobo, etc and they can likely get better performance for cheaper. The Ram example is what I use all of the time, you can double your ram usually if you go with naked Ram sticks or no RGB.
Need to add another consideration. I have seen twice this video, in these days I'm bulding a second Pc for my girlfriend ❤️she doesn't ask me particular requirements, so I decided to move my own 3700x and 3070 to her new case. I'm thinking to buy a 5800x3D and a 4070. For this reason this video is interesting for all your thoughts. Always doubting if I'm doing right or not, better a 4070 or a ti (for only 1440p); giving away my money for a 5800x3d, not buying a whole new 7000 system? Well, sooner or later I'll have to start doing and not thinking 😅Anyway, really thank you ❤️
for the memory i would spend $3-5 more on memory and get it from a more reputable brand (edit: it applies to the first build) and for storage in that $70 price range you could find a dram cache ssd (which makes a huge difference on write speeds on smaller files which makes the system feel a lot snappier)
Well, he mentioned the Teamgroup mp34 for a little more, which uses the physon e12, one of the best pcie3 controllers. But gamers won't see a difference. There is just no need to copy data between two fast drives, so you could see a difference in write speed.
About those cheap SDD's : 1) Fill them up to about 80-90%. 2) Run some disk benchmark suites. 3). Draw conclusions. Those SDD's with no DRam and anemic SLC cache become next to useless in some use cases. Reviewers usually run their tests on next to empty drives and that's not the real life usage, when steam libraries can bloat rather quickly. None of the 3 cheap SSDs I've owned, survived over 2 years... And those were TLC drives, not the cheaper QLC's.
Watching this video, in some spots one thing came to mind: "Of course you can go cheaper than a Ferrari... that is not the point" came to mind :D (Like case and aesthetics). But, besides that awesome and informative video, Daniel! Ps: You don't really need a case either for a PC, or better yet get an open-air case ^_^
Interesting to watch the thought processes. Out of curiousity: I got a Ryzen 3600 system with a b450 tomahawk max mainboard, 32gb 3200 ram and a 1080ti that i want to upgrade. I'm not sure what the best route to upgrade is. I only game casually but use the system for programming as well. I really started to dig the ITX aesthetics. Casual gaming meaning mostly atmospheric singleplayer games and the occasional spacesim like elite dangerous or star citizen at 1440p Programming: i usually run several virtualbox instances as my development environment. Option A: go for a 5800x or 5800x3d with NH-L9A. Option B: get a new gpu but none look like a worthwile upgrade at their pricepoints compared to the 1080ti. Option C: get a 550 ITX MB, sfx psu and itx case (terra or a4 h2o)
I bought a 11900 before listening to channels like yours, recently got a 13600 and new mobo msi pro z790 p I think it is and honestly the performance is so stark didn't realize how bad that 11th gen cpu was holding everything back, I think this will be my last computer I build it's to expensive now, and so no justification in building it myself anymore when a pre built are using quality parts now days and can either build it at same price or cheaper and I get peace of mind of it working out of the box. If prices ever return to how it was when I first started building these things I might return to it but prices just don't make sense now days
I just recently upgraded my system. I went with the Ryzen 5 5500 vs the 5600....so the CPU was $85, which I can upgrade later. And the biggest difference between the two is that the 500 only supports PCI-E 3, not 4. Which in a lot of various benchmarks I have seen there isn't that big a difference between them. And the cooler that came with mine does fine, especially since I am not overclocking it and it is quiet.
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future......
@@Draconas Cloud PC is where you pay someone a subscription, like Nvidia for example to play your games online. Your PC needs to just be powerful enough to display a web page which is not much. All the game processing is done on your subscribers hardware (Nvidia in this example) and you recieve the results of the processing via the internet. Of course you will need a fast internet connection. Will people go for subscriptions? Unlikely because PC users like having powerful hardware in their box and also more control over their games in their own hands as well as no monthly subscription commitments.
#ask he want to strem as well as he mentioned i think thats why he choose ryzen 7 5800x So my questions is that That your recommended is good for 1080 p streaming with lots of overlay and notifications Please replay ????
also, the Solidigm P41 Plus is an amazing buy. especially for the price. Solidigm has a driver that boosts the speed of the P41 plus, and the software toolkit is amazing aswell. you can secure erase on any storage drive. Also i know someone with the stock cooler and a 5600x, cpu reached 90C at times playing certain games, id definitely get a cheap thermalright cooler to keep it low, then overclock the 5600x if need be.
Daniel, great video. I want to highly encourage you to make more of these from time to time 👍 as for the build, I liked how you started with the 5600. I saw it and was thinking "1200$ hmm I would go for a 5800x3d right away in this position". but the way you made it was way better. leave it to a teacher to educate ppl! maybe you could show one of those lists from your students next time you talk about builds? it could lead to a very nice follow up video once the student watches the video and implements all the advice 🤔 Im sure he/she would come back to thank you afterwards and give you feedback which you dont get from picking random builds on the internet
If you're on a tight budget the last thing you need to be worrying about is RGB. Literally no one cares that your computer can light up like a Christmas tree
I used the EVGA version of that Super Flower 650 W (same PSU with EVGA name brand slappe don it) with a 6800 XT in one of my own builds with zero issues. I even tested it with a 3080 12GB which draws even more power with no issues. That being said, I agree that going higher on the PSU isn't a bad option for more future upgradeability.
That's basically my current build list 😭.. 6650xt, r7 5800x, and same RAM (non-rgb). I went with the cheaper B550M Pro WIFI motherboard and way cheaper Corsair power supply.
Nobody should buy 75 hz 1080p monitors today. 144 -240 is so cheap at this point. See this all the time, get a full clapped out build, and then a monitor that can't use it. Unless maybe you're a business buying 10 000 units. Even for home office PC, I'd get 144. 60-75 feels bad even just for browsing and scrolling.
that guys build is so laughable. Way to much money in mobo, case and power supply. Your build is what we would do. He should take 1 monitor out and replace it by a 144hz monitor. You've opened up so much money to spend on other things. 1200 dollar build should be a high mid tier system, like what you've did. I do think he could use a 750 or 850 watt power supply instead of the 650 you recommended. It also doesn't cost much more. And no gold cer. one needed. I have a bronze power supply. Which is already over 80-85% efficiency. Silver start at 85%, gold is almost 90%, plat is over 90%. If i remember correctly, bronze is 85, silver is 87-88, gold is 90-92, plat is 95-96% efficiency.
Another thing you're paying for with a case is *how pleasant it is to build in* - I had some cases I built PCs in in 2009 or so that were so terrible to actually build in that it made me dread working on my PC, which sucks. It's good that you can get great to build in cases for so much cheaper these days. For a build with a stock CPU fan I'd definitely grab something like the Meshify series (so many cases have tempered glass front panels now which makes non-AIO builds so much harder to cool properly)
Just to be clear, this is all American dollars. I'm in Canada and I spent about $1700 for the following: 5800x ML240L RGB AIO ASUS rog STRIX b550-f Gaming WiFi II AM4 mobo Corsair vengeance RGB pro 16gb DDR 3200 CL16 Kingston KC3000 NVMe 1TB drive Seagate Barracuda 2TB storage drive A used 2080 super NZXT H510 flow Corsair RM750 PSU A 3 pack of corsair SP RGB elite fans MSI optix g241 24" 144hz 1080p monitor and finally, an ASUS VA24EHE 24" 75hz 1080p monitor PCPartPicker shows my build as $1160 american, but $1591 Canadian. Again, I spent about $1700 when I built my PC which would be about $1300 USD
I hope more ppl see this before building their rig. I was blinded by core count at a time and thought 12 cores would make my multitasking better while gaming but seeing as how games and apps utilize them i built my new rig with a r5 7600x(6cores) and its a multitude better than the r9 3900(12cores). yes its a new platform so its bound to be better but i find it faster and snappier in operations due to being able to push higher clocks per core and can use integrated vga for streaming. even read somewhere the 7600x is better than 7950x for gaming purposes purely due to clocks.
Hi, Daniel! I found you the first time from your Game Pass video and your 6800XT experience videos. Seeing how far your channel's growth has gone in the last 2 years is outstanding. Love these walkthroughs and discussions - they are tremendously valuable to me as my community's "DIY PC tech guy". Thanks and more power!
Build I built in January this year on AM4 platform: Ryzen 5600 (new) + MSI b450 tomahawk max (with bios flashback to run the cpu, wasn't new but returned for some reason, but with warranty and few screws missing - had to as new wasn't available anymore), cooler I reused my old Noctua (they sent me am4 kit for free), 32gb gskill ram 3200 cl14, psu Corsair 850x and finally used rtx 2060S. Case used my old NZXT, M.2 1TB, 14TB of hdd space also from old build. Total price of the upgrade was like 850 dollars or so. AM4 ftw!! Yeah I know I could go with cheaper psu or ram, but I wanted some quality. RAM is oc'ed to 3600 cl14 (samsung b-die), gpu to like +900mhz on memory (samsung memory). GPU was a risk but paid out so far. And I can always upgrade it and sell the old one. Only thing that it's lacking is 4k gaming of latest AAA titles, 1080p with RT on no issues (with dlss of course). I don't care much as I'm playing most games in 3D on my PJ. But yeah A plague tale requiem looks terrific in 4k not gonna lie, but 2k on high is also quite pretty (60fps). But primary reason I went with am4 was to still run Windows 7 😂 (dual booting win10)
well you don't like the 4080 but i bought one for this reason : 16gb is sweet spot for now and with dlss 3 and frame generation good improvement from my 3080 in cyberpunk rt overdrive for example i have now 75 fps without issues
Something to keep in mind is you are looking at a from scratch build, while it's quite often that people upgrade parts here and there over time. That can explain a lot in the build listings that seem out of whack. For example, my PCPP build listing includes a 1TB mechanical HDD along with an M.2, but that doesn't mean I bought that drive specifically for this build. It's one I had carried over from a prior computer that is now perfectly usable as a media drive for my photography hobby. Sure, it's going to be listed in the cost breakdown as if I bought it recently, but it's essentially a free part since I have slowly upgraded over time. And then there's also a lot to be said for aesthetics and brand loyalty (often for good reason), which a build list doesn't take into account.
While you make a valid point, PC Part Picker does allow you to mark parts as being bought. It's a very useful function if you're carrying over old parts.
@Nareimooncatt I mean I agree with what you said but if that hard drive was a legacy, then he probably would have included or should have included an m.2 in that build as well
About a year ago switched from Xbox to pc but I still use everything Xbox on the pc. I did months of research to try to understand and it helped in the long run, built two pcs for my cousins but my first build went with a 12400, 6600xt (used) $310 crazy how much prices dropped now. And the usual 16 GB got a free 256 ssd and a 512 m.2. Cheap case from microcenter and spent like $750. Couple months ago upgraded to a Rx 6800 new for $400 so I like to think I did well.
This is a hot niche for life man. SO MANY PPL jus DONT have the confidence or competence to Spec and build out their own PC, and so so so many ppl I see online are going straight to Manufacturer Pre-Built MASSIVELY over priced, UNDER spec'd and comparatively ABYSMAL Performing PC that hits Thermal limits ten min out the box, have Mix matched parts that make ZERO sense for the requirements of the Build to drive price up, while Cheaping out on the Most important components.. I been modding and building my own and friends PC's since I was 12yrs old and got my first HP desktop at X-mas with like ONE gig of Ram and Who knows what for an Intel CPU, and slammed TWO WHOLE GIGS and a 60 $ GPU in it to DEMOLISH Rainbow 6 Urban OPs and whatever its sister title was before or after it, IDK okay I was TWELVE, and the year was like 2012 lmao point, its simple to do, IF you have good instruction, and you can show them they can get 2-3x the Performance AND an upgrade Path, VS a $5000 prebuilt 1660Super, and an I9 stuffed into a case with NO airflow... or a three gen old Ryzen PC etc, and HALF or more of those who do spend that money, it RLY IS jus cuz they dont know any better.
$1200 for all that performance is beyond incredible... offers an upgrade path too! Well done Daniel
I would just swap RAM for 3600 instead of 3200 as it's just 8$ more for pretty decent uplift in performance
@@GewelReal ^^this, plus it will still fit in the budget
@@GewelReal3600 cl18 and 3200 cl16 perform about the same
@@GewelReal My final build was actually AM5 with a 7600 and DDR5.
@@danielowentech Hey Daniel, the 5600 has no capability of RAMs above 3200 DDR4 right? Since I did make a build last year with a 5600 and If im ever going into the future for DDR5 4Ghz+ I would need a newer generation of Ryzen, my supposition.
Mechanical HDD... that's an instant sign of somebody that needs help with their build.
I have a few mechanical hard drives in my very high-end system, they offer a huge capacity for cheap. I have four 12TB enterprise grade drives that I got for ~$120 each, they are running in Raid 5 currently but I plan to run ZFS on them instead.
I blame Wendell from Level1Techs for my fascination with ZFS, it’s truly a really interesting file system.
exactly.
Fr. Basically we are at a point where anything but a hdd is good enough. Even sata ssds are so much faster than an hdd that is a bloodbath in every metric. Even price! Ssds are cheap.. why would you consider hdd? Lol
@@christophermullins7163 HDD has its niche in actual storing data without being plugged in a PC. HDD can be left on the shelf for decades and keep data safe because of superior data retention. If you meant that there's no reason to consider HDD for gaming specifically - then you're 100% correct.
@@alexsmirnoveu gaming of course that's what we are all here to see. Of course HDDs are great for some things.
I’ve watched a lot of techtubers over the years and this channel has been amazing as a price conscious shopper. Thank you sir 🙏
#ask he want to strem as well as he mentioned i think thats why he choose ryzen 7 5800x
So my questions is that
That pc recommended is good for 1080 p streaming with lots of overlay and notifications
Please replay ????
That pc will be great for any 1080p use, it would also do well at 1440p as he mentioned in the video.
If there's anything I learned from building PCs it's that these days you absolutely must have an SSD for your operating system. It's the single best bang for a buck upgrade you can do.
Seeing that powerful machine with a single HDD made me very sad :'(
Especially when there's 1tb m.2 ssds around for the same price. Saw one on sale recently for 35€, of course it wouldn't be "the best" SSD out there but it will easily beat an HDD in speed by a ton.
Honestly I’m fine with it. You can always upgrade down the line for cheaper given the recents trends.
Yeah, and you can just use an HDD to save your random files there so you have more space for the SSD.
I don't think SSD's provide a good value for the money for mass storage. 1 TB is nothing, considering many games are now installing at 100 GB or more.
I think SSD's really shine when they are used as read cache, to create virtual hybrid drives.
Make that m.2... even faster than SSD
there's a channel called "PC Builder" run by a lovely man named Jason, I would recommend his "Boost My Build" series for those who wants ideas or suggestions at whatever price ranges : )
Proves that mathematicians excel in efficiency. Great build, Daniel. Love it! Also, reusing older PC cases could save a bit more for literally no downside (if you upgrade the front USB/3.5 panel).
Yeah, this was listed as a "first build" so I assumed he didn't already have any parts. But for many people it makes sense to keep the case, and maybe power supply and CPU cooler from an older build to save money.
@@danielowentech My latest build a 5900X, I kept the case, power supply, CPU cooler and RAM from my 6700K. That's why I was able to get the 5900X. Then when the miners went away I got a 4070 and upgraded my RAM from 2400 to 3600. Upgrading not all in one go is how I roll. I came across your channel not long ago and thought OMG someone else who likes Mathematics, it usually goes the other way :)
And if you're blessed enough to live near a Microcenter, their CPU+RAM and CPU+Mobo+RAM bundle deals are killer.
If it's cheap and they are making profit... always search elsewhere.
Those are meant for not tech savvy people since I'd search on the used market first. RAM can be funky, specially if those are the ones that only have chips in one side. Same with the mobo because it can be just a barebones lack in VRM and ports.
They don't have Micro Centre, Best Buy or Newegg in the country I live in.
The prices he shows in dollars are a lot less than the prices I see in stores.
@@Splarkszter are you saying micro center is for non tech savvy people?
@@DemonSaine To be realistic, any retail store MUST target normies or they go broke.
@@DemonSaine They got to target people who don't know better
I'm surprised you went with this build instead of the $2600 one with a 3060 that was right next to it lol. Very glad to see this video though as way too many people don't know how to effectively build a balanced pc.
Tbh I’m having a similar issue where I was expecting like 1500CAD/1100USD for a prospective build with a 3060 and 7600x but the parts (no peripherals, as I already have them for my laptop) cost like 1750-1800CAD/1300USD
@@4hedron852 well part of you problem is wanting a 3060 over any better card for the same price, but also $1100 US is a bit high, but isnt that unreasonable for an AM5 system. If you want cheaper than that then AM4 will last a good bit longer but has no upgrade path.
I did a test build of an AM4 system with a 5600x for about $750, and a system with a 7600x and it's about $200 more for the AM5 system.
I should mention Canadian prices wont translate 1 to 1 so its a bit hard to give full advice. Here in the US, the 3060 is a waste over a 6700xt, but that might not translate for you.
@@4hedron852 actually I misread your comment, 1300 is definitely high. I just imagine you are going a bit overboard on something like the case, ram, or storage
I live in Canada, and I think the 6700XT would be a much better choice at a similar price, however, 3060's are dropping massively in price as of late, so they might not be price competitors anymore. I'd still take a 6600 at 240 CAD or a 6650xt/7600 at 350 over the 3060, but they might want the extra vram.
@@AmosDohms yeah the price difference here is $270 for a 3060 and about $300 for a 6700xt, thats a no brainer to me. If the 4060 was to launch with 12gb or 16gb, I would say wait for it, but $300 for 8gb is a hard sell.
These are my favorite type of build videos.
Please keep doing these type of build videos.
These are the question people ask me about pc building all the time at work.
I think the build you were comparing against was initially $1000 as the psu was $177 and the case had another $100 shipping on top. Then he added the 2 $100 monitors 😭
I agree, and while I didn't fully explain it in the video, that's one reason why I made my first edit come in at $1000 and then targeted some $1200 options afterwards.
@@danielowentech I was surprised you were able to get such a better price to performance build $1,200 compared to the original person.
I was thinking putting together a budget build with AM4 but you convinced me that there are pretty good deals for AM5 MOBO that won’t break your wallet out there.
Currently I am torn with doing a $500 or $600 budget build for my first build or going with a similar $1,200 build you put together. At least you showed it is possible.
@@Bojeezy if you can stretch to 1200 then go for as it will give you massive performance boost but if you compromise to about 800-1000 it will be ok as well, especially if you are targeting just 1080p with reasonable fps.
Makes no sense to be buying a case for damn near more then a 100$, there are really good case less then that. I got my phantek for damn near 5 years now and still love it, I did not pay 100$ for it but I did get it when it was on sale..
Respect for your work ethic Daniel. When I was a classroom teacher I had no brain left to function when I got home. No way I’d have the energy to produce a quality product you turn out regularly! Keep it up!
He makes most of his videos before the start of class, maybe for that reason
Also Daniel for the love of god. Intel 670p or nothing for cheap SSDs. It has DRAM and that is the single most important thing about budget SSDs. If it has no DRAM it's an automatic no buy (and the Intel SSD is only like 5$ more vs the garbage MP33)
Yeah don't skimp on your storage drive, just choose a proven good one.
I agree that certain components in my build were more placeholders than specifically researched optimized parts. This was more of a live reaction video showing how to cut down a truly terrible build to something that offers way more performance per dollar. If I was doing a fully optimized and researched build list I would take a bit more time to research SSDs, motherboards, RAM, and PSU to see if we could squeeze out a few small upgrades for around the same price.
@@danielowentech Fair enough, I've never checked these custom user made builds, had a blast about what you showcased here. 😀
Yeah I only get SSDs with DRAM for OS, programs and gaming.
Make this a series, where you rate viewer builds or random builds. Very fun and informative
I spend WAY too much time on pcpartpicker. I just randomly set a budget and build pcs haha. I wish I had the income to build them all!
You're not alone on that lol
its because the subreddit buildapc is full of trolls and the mods are trolls.
Why you said that?
@@Ghostlynotme445 the mods use this feature called automod to remove and curate the sub to how they are paid. automod is designed so that you can automatically remove words or terms like racial slurs. so if i person were to write a racial slur then their comment wont even post. To that person it will look like it posted but no one else can see that comment. Instead of using it to filter out racial slurs they use to remove terms like "get intel" so if anyone tells anyone to get intel anywhere in the post then the comment is removed. I noticed this and called them out and they removed the "get intel" phrase from their auto mod, but i found of bunch of other terms they have set in automod to curate the sub. Its incredible sketch that they do this and if you point it out in anyway they just ban you.
Great educational content!
Couple thoughts: going with a trusted brand for a few bucks more for RAM is worthwhile (warranty, reliability, etc)
Worth calling out that even a slow m2 is ~40-50x faster than an hdd (its not a small difference)
Overall great, keep it up!
The Ryzen stock cpu cooler is good if you're not messing around with overclocking. There was a consensus between Gamers Nexus and LTT about one of the best, low cost cpu coolers that's in the ~$40 range that works fantastic for OC.
Yes, it was the Peerless Assassin. Best cooler all around. It's $40 and beats many $100 coolers.
If Mr. Owen was my teacher, we would talk GPUs all day.
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future....
@@Noob._gamer that's what I'm feeling too.
I hope you and jason from pc builder collab one day and do a competitive "boost my build" versus kinda thing.
Great video, I always like cooking up theoretical budget systems. It's true that AM4 is now a dead platform but it is impressive how far your money can go if you decide to go that route and don't mind upgrading for a while. Right now you can get a 8 core 16 hread CPU with a decent cooler, a 6950XT, a Wifi Motherboard, 32 GBs of CL16 3200 RAM, 2 TB NVME, 650w 80+ Gold PSU, and a case with good air flow and 4 included fans, all for exactly $1200. What a time to build a PC.
Am4 a dead platform? LMAO
@@charginginprogresssWon't be long until it is.
@@charginginprogresssYeah fr it's not dead it's still usable
Most of the criticisms of the build were very good. But I think you missed something:
The case had a $100 delivery fee, which to me suggests that the user who built the list was in a different region. It may be the total price of the list was substantially lower in their region.
However, regardless of region, your build was clearly better.
lol the cheapest builds are usually in US, everywhere else it's more expensive, some parts can be almost double the price!
Oh man, how often have I thrown out Super Flower from my PSU upgrade considerations because the name sounds like the worst Ali Express junk that comes with some free fortune cookies... thanks for clearing that up! PSUs are really the one component in PC building I'm still having the most trouble with, I never know what brands are considered reliable at a certain time, and only a known name is meaningless too (see Gigabyte) because they all slap their logo on something obscure.
Good info, only things I would add to your process is looking for a motherboard with a bios flashback button to remove the issue of the bios possibly being outdated. As well as being more clear on the CPU cooler, while you or I may know better than to just throw in any $50 cooler, others don’t. So I’d suggest being more clear about getting a better cooler for your money, such as the peerless assassin you mentioned, Deepcool AG620, scythe Fuma 2, etc. These will greatly outperform the single tower cooler you left in
Please do more of these build critiques
I love the boost my build series pc builder does on their channel
I got a PC right when DDR3 was transitioning into DDR4, and the next upgrade was when DDR4 was transitioning into DDR5. To me, the "upgradability" path is a myth, RAM is really expensive at the beginning and REALLY cheap at the end which saves you a lot of money, and rarely will one _have to_ upgrade from one gen to the next. It's much better to focus on the cut prices of the previous gen, and spend some "extra" cash on good reliable case, power supply and cooling that can be transfered over to the next build.
Agreed. If you're gonna go full on future proofing you're gonna spend a lot $$. I think one should just buy stuff accordingly to their budget, just don't buy outdated stuff and you're good to go
I just put together a pc for a friend in Canada that was on a budget of around $250 Cdn, a Dell i7 6700, 16gb ram, 1tb drive pc ($120 cdn), I upgraded the psu (650W Bronze, $40 Cdn) and put in a gtx 1080 ($100 Cdn).
I bought all 3 on a used parts site for $260Cdn total, (About $200 U.S).
This person plays at 1080p, I was surprised what it could do for the money. (It's been a LONG time since I've bought any used pc parts for myself.)
Good video. I did over spend on my PC and I knew it. I am in the medical field and make decent money. I spent a little over 3k on my PC but not everyone can do that. This is great for those with a budget.
Thanks for explaining how budgets work! The attitude that just because one part of the build is expensive you must include something else expensive is all too common. Eg. ”Anyone buying a $1700 GPU can afford a 7950X3D and PCIe 5.0 SSD.”
Might as well water cool everything despite in 2023 being mostly just aesthetic plus a PITA, and get case fans that are 25$ a pop, make sure the case itself is almost 300$, gotta have RGB etc. Do not forget to come on social media, YT/reddit/wherever to post about how affordable the 3000$ build was "not bad, but yea i wouldn't advise anyone getting into PC with just 1000$". Consoles are only marketable because the gross majority actively refuse to get a clue.
If you buy a 1700 gpu and go cheap on everything else instead of pairing it with a 7950x3d and a pcie 5.0 ssd you're a dumbdumb lol
Two small tweaks I would make to your overall build idea to further solidify future performance, one would be the ram, 32gb of 3600mhz ram is like $10 extra at most and locks you into one of 4 memory ICs. Hynix CJR/DJR or Micron rev e/b which are miles better than some of the 3200 c16 bins. Second the ssd, I'd never suggest anything without dram as a boot drive, there are better options for less than $10 more. Overall you hit pretty square on what people should be looking for their builds.
DRAMless as a boot drive is actually completely fine. I use 2 right now in 2 different machines at home, they're fast and way better than any HDD. In some countries anything with DRAM is completely overpriced tho.
@@sweetsurrender815 This mostly applies to US pricing anyhow, depending on what country you're in I wouldn't even consider half of what's available here cause pricing is so bad elsewhere. MP34 2tb is $80 and uses phison E12 controller with dram, keeping up with most top gen 3 ssds, no reason to go with anything else in my mind.
@@SyndicatesFollower yeah that's fair, I was mostly mentioning it because some people might read the comment and misunderstand it to being slower than an HDD.
@@sweetsurrender815 Yeah any nvme is far better than an hdd, dramless TLC based ssds tend to fare much better than QLC drives so that's one thing I'd watch out for in other countries, otherwise in the US get the MP34 and be done.
People are still buying old school HDDs as their system drives in 2023? Jeez... talk about chocking your system in order to save ... what? ... 20 to 40 bucks? Matter of fact, I wouldn't even put an HDD into a new system as a data-dump. Only reason why I still have one in my 2022 system is that it's an older HDD and I was too lazy to go through it and save the data to an SSD or M.2. Switching from an HDD to an SATA SSD back in..err.. 2015 or so? was probably the single biggest performance boost I ever experienced when upgrading a single component. Much more noticeable IMO than going from an SATA SSD to an M.2.
I really like the choices you made and the RAM kit at least said "RGB EDITION", excellent explonation for why changing those parts as well, great job. And thanks for letting me know about Super Flower never heard of them before and wouldn´t have otherwise, my list of PSU brands I concider is quite short: SeaSonic, Silverstone, FSP Group, Thermaltake. Why is Thermaltake in my list? Got an 20 years old Thermaltake PSU which is still running fine so no reason to distrust them unlike the beQuiet which failed me shortly after it´s 3 years warranty. My current is Thermaltake again and them offering 5 years warranty is comforting after the already good experience. Don´t know about the "upgrade path", Ryzen 9xxx will be on AM6 socket that already leaked.
built my parents a computer with a 5600G (no gpu tho because they didn't need one) less than $1400 AUSTRALIAN dollars. That included 5600g, wifi mobo, 16gb 3600mhz cl16 ram, 1TB m.2, fully modular 750W 80+gold PSU (ik overkill but it was Aud$120 and the cheapest good psu they had), case with fans, internal optical drive, 60hz monitor, mouse, printer/scanner/fax, full price win11 and microsoft office. (my first build too i feel like i did well)
I think the most important question is to figure out if you want a gaming PC or general purpose PC. If you're building general purpose PC, I'd go with Intel 13600K nowadays. It has insane performance for general purpose computing compared to cost.
However, for gaming alone, that's totally overkill if you have GPU costing less than $1000.
That said, the cost of fast DDR5 memory is still so high that I'd probably go with 13600K combined with DDR4 RAM.
I don't agree with you on the MB Owen.
Let me elaborate.
First, Mb is the Most Pain in the ass component to swap.
Second, It's the Most Important Foundation component. It depends what you can put on it.
You are correct you do not depend on Performance much there but You DO on Future proofing, and that is 101 of Saving Money. Make it last as long as possible. And since your performance doesn't directly depend on it, but support does. It's a no-brainer.
In Serbia for Example Most people have B450 MB People dont really Buy B550s because in the case of Power surges and stuff like that You lose your CPU, B450 can take ANY AM4 Ryzen, B550 doesn't. You can Plop a 20$ R3 1200 and have a working system again, whereas B550 options start at 70$. Considering with Power surges you usually need a New PSU and some more, it's very important.
I know Its the US way to only look at short term gains, we do it a bit Differently in Other parts of the world.
If I can get a MB that supports ANY CPU including the TOP and OC on that. That is the Best Buy.
Because If you buy a 80$ MB now and Later Upgrade to 190$ one, that's not saving money.
Buying one 180$ is.
I get your point, But your thinking is a bit Rigid.
The only reason one would want to buy a mechanical drive instead of an SSD is if they *already* have one. And I have a feeling that person didn't.
One little nitpick about cases with preinstalled fans: They're typically garbage quality fans that are meqnt to run at a fixed speed, and not a very high speed at that. Yes, they move air, but they're not going to do it well. I'd rather get a case with no fans, and a 5 pack of Arctic P12PWM PSTs.
Protip: Buy intel. Buy nvidia. Always. The performance means absolutely nothing. The only thing that matters is software/driver stability. Thats it. Thats all that matters. The hardware has to run your operating system and your programs with no bugs/crashing/problems that you have to spend hours of your life trouble shooting. I have been burned by AMD CPUs and GPU's constantly for the last 15 goddamn years of my life and I will never buy that company's trash ever again. The FPS means literally....nothing. Your time is more valuable than saving a few hundred bucks.
For a case, a montech sky two is a much better choice, it has a fan under the gpu, it looks fantastic and it supports 360mm rads on top
And it costs like 70 bucks
the kicker is that you can find a 6800xt on the used market for around $400, meaning that you could buy more ram or storage within the budget of that build
18:55 The monitor choice might seem wrong, but as a 1080p 144hz owner I'd say it's probably not. While I'd really like to go 1440p, I found 27 inch monitors too big. Yes, there are a few 24 inch 1440p but they're less ubiquitous and for some reason more expensive than 27-inch ones. Also, contrary to most people, while I notice the difference from 60 to 144 on very fast moving gameplay, it's nowhere near the brutal difference seen when going from 30 to 60. So, 75 might be just fine as long as it has freesync included (I'd still prefer 120 over 75 or 144, because it's the exact double of 60 and I'm obsessive).
75 is not great honestly. It's 2023, 120Hz should be standard.
@@sweetsurrender815 I don't think it's about what should it be in 2023, but more about what your eye perceives and if you enjoy it or not. 60 fps is already acceptable for the vast majority of gameplay experiences, 75 is a little bit better, and it's great for the price.
Unless theyre hardcore fps gamers, odds are they wont notice. They will notice 1080 vs 1440 vs 4k for movies and such.
Odds are that the average person who plays a few game (the vast majority of consumers) is not obsessed with high fps performance at the expense of being able to watch Netflix in 4k.
I need minimum of 120.
@@sweetsurrender815 "should be standard" based on what?
I want to build an “esports” pc where I get the highest possible FPS at 1080p low graphic settings. Would it be a bad idea to pair the 7800x3d with a 6700xt. Because I don’t need good graphics, I just want to pump out as many frames as possible!
Could you do a video about this?
Gamers (mostly young gamers) are WAY too obsessed over aesthetics, so they spend their limited funds on the case and a lot of useless and frustrating RGB. If your budget is tight and you want to run games as fast as possible for the money, ditch the RGB and skip the case altogether. Your PC can run just fine sitting on the motherboard box until you save up for a case. Aesthetics DO matter, but only in your display and the GPU that drives it.
if that motherboard doesn't have bios flashback it probably safer to get the 5600x for 20 bucks more, otherwise if the bios on the motherboard isn't updates will not work on 5600, and I doubt a new builder has a spare compatible cpu to update the bios
Homestly for someone who is just getting into PC gaming, there’s no reason getting 2TB of storage to start out with. You’re not going to have a vast game library to yet, so there’s no need to future-proof something that can be easily and inexpensively expanded.
you don't mention why more expensive motherboards exist. usually the more expensive mobo is the more better built-in soundcard and other features you get. I sticked to the one which costed more only because the sound is way better than the cheaper and you don't need to buy a separate soundcard for PCI-e
Funny thing, I have built my own PCs for the last 20 years or so. A couple years ago, almost to the day, I bought a prebuilt, it was on sale. I priced out the components and I couldn't buy them for as cheap as the computer was. One part in particular was the video card (at that time) at $599 msrp, but closer to 1000 in the real world, if you could find it. So, I bought my first prebuilt PC in many years, from the Egg. They went a little lower spec than I would have on a couple of things, but all name brand parts, Aorus Elite mobo, EVGA G3 750 watt 80+ gold, 10700k, EVGA 280 AIO cooler, EVGA RTX 3070, 1tb M.2, etc. And a lot of RGB that I don't need. I actually just put a 7900xtx in it last month and sold the 3070 for $300. It made me happy anyhow. Might not be tha same scenario today I guess.
One thing that's easy to overlook when deciding on a wifi or non wifi version of a mobo is Bluetooth. Ive never see a non wifi mobo have Bluetooth.
I didn't realize that when I bought mine and had to buy a wifi/Bluetooth pcie card eventually.
I don't have wifi or BT as my gaming rigs are all 1Gb wired. Keyboard and mouse are all USB or with USB dongle. No need for BT and if I have to transfer things from tablet/phone there is still the good old USB data cable way faster than BT.
This is easily overlooked, but in stead of a PCIe card you could also just get a USB dongle for $5.
You wont have an antenna with that, but if you're not going far from the PC it should be OK.
I have used both and the difference in performance was the dongle worked fine with my wireless headset in the next room, while with BT built in to the MB and an antenna I could go two rooms over. I live in a brick house though, with rebar in the walls, so that's far from ideal for the signal.
Honestly I think the difference was down to being able to place the antenna further up in elevation than the dongle.
Hey Daniel, I like your videos but most of the time I can't watch em. Please use dark mode extensions cuz my eyes are burned
Excellent recommendations. You are really doing a public service with this. 😅
If the guy has already bought his built and is now waiting this video... he must be crying right now😂.
When picking an SSD make sure it is TLC and absolutely not QLC! If you copy more than a few GB onto an QLC drive it will literally write slower than a Harddrive.
Yeah I never got a QLC one for various reasons, always TLC for me.
I love these type of videos! PC Builder has a series called Boost my Build that is very similar and are some of my favorites. Keep them coming!
As a newbie it is still difficult to build a optimized pc. Gaining the technical knowledge is also quite difficult when looking at the amount of hardware components.
There is rumors about 4000 super series, is it true they will come with higher ram and when would they be released?
Avoid buying the X version of Ryzen CPU's since you can just easily overclock the non-X versions, it's like less than 5% of difference.
For ryzen 5000 you will want between 3200-3600 due to the infinity cache, 3600 will have less stutters overall, cas latency is meh since you can use the first word latency, so don't go over 10ns on that one and you will be good. You don't need 32GB unless you play minecraft or modded games in general with lots of mods and so on.
If you do more than games on your PC, get both an SSD and an HDD, i'd get a 1-2TB SSD and a 1TB HDD, and you will use the HDD to save everything that isn't games, like images, videos documents and files in general, you don't need an SSD for files so you will save space and money saving those on an HDD.
When you get more money, make sure to have a backup system so you don't lose your files if anything happens to your PC, ALWAYS HAVE BACKUPS.
Never cheap out on PSU's
GPU of your choice just make sure to care about VRAM and price/perfomance ratio.
His face at 18:50 about the 75Hz monitors, so funny i love it.
Yeah, that build was full of bad decisions. PSU was laughably overpriced. Makes you wish you could find that person's ear before they put together that mess.
I don't have an issue with them wanting 8 cores but the 5700 makes more sense if you're staying budget, and if you want to step up the 12700kf has been seen many times as low as $230 which would annihilate either of those Zen3 chips.
I still run hard drives but they're supplemental to my NVMe 4.0 drives for cheap mass storage that doesn't need speed.
Funny enough I'm planning to get at least a Ryzen 7 5700x for my current PC to upgrade from my Ryzen 5 1600 AF.
@@masterlee1988 That's a solid upgrade, just make sure your specific motherboard got Zen3 bios cause not all of them did.
@@zodwraith5745 Yeah I actually upgraded my bios to support Ryzen 5000 series cpus so I should be good to go(it's a MSI B450 Tomahawk Max). Planning to get the Ryzen 7 5700x this summer.
@@masterlee1988 Yeah, the Tomahawks have always been a great value/feature balance. You get $400 features without the $400 price. I'm personally on a Z690 Tomahawk. Wifi 6 and bluetooth, beefy VRMs, and gobs of USB connections and NVME slots.
They've always been the best mix of features you want without getting stupid expensive.
anyone know if I could throw in a 4060 ti into a pc with 600 watts and i5 7400?
Bad advice. I won't even comment on the sheeple/fanboys/groupies that applaud literally anything a youtuber does these days without as much as a singular critical thought...
Like the other channel, PC Builder, you give absolutely zero consideration to brand, quality and reliability. You literally pick the cheapest available components. Super easy to do, sure - just go to partpicker, sort by price, get a clickbait video. Anyone can do this. What you seem to lack is any kind of real world, not to mention long-term, experience, which would actually be worth sharing.
Are you seriously suggesting that you get the same reliability/quality with Asrock or whatever that RAM brand is in the video, as you do with Asus, Gigabyte, Kingston, etc.?
Components like mobo, psu, ram actually matter a lot and they can severely affect your gaming performance, often resulting in things like instability/stutter. Also, don't expect cheap parts to last as long, due to cheaper components used (e.g. capacitors).
Exactly this.
Watching this video was jaw dropping how bad it was..
$171 for a 550 w power supply is insane
i spent $165 for a 1000 w power supply same efficiency grade
you can also lower the budget on ram and get the g skill flare x5 32gb kit ddr 6000 cl 36 for $99.99
its just cheaping out on 5 dollars
the case could also be cheaper
i use a rosewell s 500 and it is a pretty decent case with 4 pre installed fans
it costs 75 on amazon or 60 dollars on new egg
the 21 extra dollars could be put towards the power color red dragon oc 6800xt which is 10 dollars more than the asrock you selected and can be overclocked
DeepCool 850W DQ850-M-V2L ATX 80 Plus Gold 105€ with 10 year warranty
Fun to play along with you here. Great video. Your final build was spot on! PC's are more affordable than they have been in some time. Example (built this with a 4070 the other day for a buddy): Ryzen 5 7600 non-X (incl CPU Cooler), MSI Pro B650-P Motherboard, 32GB Gskill 5600 CL36 RAM, Samsung EVO M.2 2TB NVME, XFX 6700XT 12GB, Lian Li Lancool 215 RGB case, EVGA BR700 Bronze 80+ PSU. Total Price - $1,100. Upgrade to RTX 4070 will be $1,350. 6800XT version of this build $1270. Avoid 8GB Cards at all costs. Stick with current gen Ryzen if building new. Period. Please do not put new money for a new build into last gen Ryzen platform as you will regret it I promise. 5800X3D is great if you are on AM4 already. Drop in for cheap upgrade. Otherwise AM5 all day long.
@@RocketRenton Don't tell anyone but the whole PSU thing is blown WAY out of propoirtion. I have a few systems. One of them is a 7900XT+5800X3D+32GB DDR4+2xSSD's+NZXT AIO running just fine on an EVGA 650 watt PSU and from the wall pulls no more than 450 watts at max load. Almost 50% headroom to catch anomolies. I am sure PSU manufactuers would love everyone to have 1000 watt PSU's though. Crappy PSU's definately run unstable though. Have to buy quality. I personally choose Lian Li for the airflow. They are the best I have used and I have used dozens.
@@RocketRenton the PSU is probably fine for that GPU, transient power / power spikes isn't a problem for 4000 series cards.
A good question for the AM4 is if they want a second system in the future, for a Nas or a sibling that doesn't need to be powerful.
Second hand monitor market is really good near me for 144hz.
RGB gives my pc an additional 50% fps boost
"RGB gives my pc an additional 50% EGO boost." There, fixed it for you! 😉
I'm also thinking of building a new PC, if you enjoy doing these videos, could you make a build for around €2000 (around $1800 I'd think)? (with both an Nvidia and AMD alternative)
Really enjoying every video you put out!
i5 13600kf + rtx 4080
Not sure where you fellas learned that EUR was less than USD. 2000 EUR = 2137 US Dollars.
@@SoftExo Think about 21% tax :)
@@yannick5352 The tax often gets overlooked. Also it seems to me AMD is significantly cheaper in the US than, at least, where I live in Europe.
I often wonder if that is down to the retailers or if it's some kind of import/export thing.
For example the 7900xtx and the 4080 have been almost the same price up until about a month ago. Only around May the difference went to about $200 cheaper for the xtx, which is what it has been in the US all the time.
@@yannick5352 its not that large a discrepancy as our prices already have tax. Outside GPUs that continue to be all over the place in the EU bloc, you'd be fine having at least 2000$ build made i.e. cheapest ryzen 5800X3D on US pcpartpicker 289.27$, 5800X3D on GER mindfactory, 285€.
Future proofing is for all parts except for the CPU, motherboard, and GPU.
You won't regret buying premium parts for anything you will carry on to your future builds.
High watt power supplies, hard drives, ssd, case, fans, CPU heatsink, keyboards, mice, headphones, speakers, and monitors should all be high quality.
I agree, and I do the same with most of what you listed as well.
The monitor can be more important for how good a game looks than the GPU. Its one thing i don't cheap out on.
Completely false... RGB adds 5 FPS 🤣
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future....
Make this a series!
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future....
This was a wonderful video and funny too, we don't need the new shiny , only paid 1200$ for my enter build in 2022 of a i9 12900k RTX 3090 64GB DDR4 3600, 1300 Wat PSU, 1tb m.2 and a fractal Torrent case all for just $1200.. if your asking how so cheap I lucked out and got a few things for free. I want a 4090 but given I got such a good deal I don't think it would be worth it, though I would like 120 FPS in 4k for my 144hz 4k monitor I have idk.
I might sell my 3090 and just pay 1k for the 4090 but idk . what do you guys think? I want my PC to last me 5 years until the PS6 and Xbox Next in 2028. should I sell my 3090 and just pay the difference? or should I just stick with my current build
I'd wait for 50 series or RDNA 4, but your 3090 isn't going to be worth as much by then.
@@AmosDohms exactly the delima i'm in right now I cant decide, the 3090 will be worth less 2 years from now or fall of 2024. I feel like with the 5090 it will ensure it will last 4-5 years until the Playstation 6 and Xbox next etc .
3090 while great it wont last 5 more years at the high end no way not at 4k60.
4090 I will say has 3 years at the high end 4k120, and 3-5 years at 1440p ultra etc . 3090 is becoming a 1440p ultra card right now. So idk now. I don't know what to do.
Daniel, that is what I tell people all the time. Rgb won't make your PC faster, you are paying a premium for RGB. If they have a budget to stick to, I will tell them to skip anything with RGB if you can like Ram, GPU, Mobo, etc and they can likely get better performance for cheaper. The Ram example is what I use all of the time, you can double your ram usually if you go with naked Ram sticks or no RGB.
RBG is trash, looks tacky, adds zero value and performance to your build.
I really liked this kind of video. It would be nice to see it again, also woth different budget. I'll keep on following you 😊
Need to add another consideration. I have seen twice this video, in these days I'm bulding a second Pc for my girlfriend ❤️she doesn't ask me particular requirements, so I decided to move my own 3700x and 3070 to her new case. I'm thinking to buy a 5800x3D and a 4070. For this reason this video is interesting for all your thoughts. Always doubting if I'm doing right or not, better a 4070 or a ti (for only 1440p); giving away my money for a 5800x3d, not buying a whole new 7000 system? Well, sooner or later I'll have to start doing and not thinking 😅Anyway, really thank you ❤️
for the memory i would spend $3-5 more on memory and get it from a more reputable brand (edit: it applies to the first build) and for storage in that $70 price range you could find a dram cache ssd (which makes a huge difference on write speeds on smaller files which makes the system feel a lot snappier)
Well, he mentioned the Teamgroup mp34 for a little more, which uses the physon e12, one of the best pcie3 controllers. But gamers won't see a difference. There is just no need to copy data between two fast drives, so you could see a difference in write speed.
About those cheap SDD's : 1) Fill them up to about 80-90%. 2) Run some disk benchmark suites. 3). Draw conclusions. Those SDD's with no DRam and anemic SLC cache become next to useless in some use cases. Reviewers usually run their tests on next to empty drives and that's not the real life usage, when steam libraries can bloat rather quickly. None of the 3 cheap SSDs I've owned, survived over 2 years... And those were TLC drives, not the cheaper QLC's.
Watching this video, in some spots one thing came to mind: "Of course you can go cheaper than a Ferrari... that is not the point" came to mind :D (Like case and aesthetics). But, besides that awesome and informative video, Daniel!
Ps: You don't really need a case either for a PC, or better yet get an open-air case ^_^
Interesting to watch the thought processes.
Out of curiousity: I got a Ryzen 3600 system with a b450 tomahawk max mainboard, 32gb 3200 ram and a 1080ti that i want to upgrade. I'm not sure what the best route to upgrade is. I only game casually but use the system for programming as well. I really started to dig the ITX aesthetics.
Casual gaming meaning mostly atmospheric singleplayer games and the occasional spacesim like elite dangerous or star citizen at 1440p
Programming: i usually run several virtualbox instances as my development environment.
Option A: go for a 5800x or 5800x3d with NH-L9A. Option B: get a new gpu but none look like a worthwile upgrade at their pricepoints compared to the 1080ti. Option C: get a 550 ITX MB, sfx psu and itx case (terra or a4 h2o)
an RTX 4070 with 5800x3D or maybe the 5600x3D once it launches would be a decent upgrade
I bought a 11900 before listening to channels like yours, recently got a 13600 and new mobo msi pro z790 p I think it is and honestly the performance is so stark didn't realize how bad that 11th gen cpu was holding everything back, I think this will be my last computer I build it's to expensive now, and so no justification in building it myself anymore when a pre built are using quality parts now days and can either build it at same price or cheaper and I get peace of mind of it working out of the box. If prices ever return to how it was when I first started building these things I might return to it but prices just don't make sense now days
The thing that hit me the most was the storage. They literally just took a hard drive.
They were a streamer, there's a chance they wanted to backup their streams with Mechanical storage.
Personally I don’t trust asrock am4 platform
I just recently upgraded my system. I went with the Ryzen 5 5500 vs the 5600....so the CPU was $85, which I can upgrade later. And the biggest difference between the two is that the 500 only supports PCI-E 3, not 4. Which in a lot of various benchmarks I have seen there isn't that big a difference between them. And the cooler that came with mine does fine, especially since I am not overclocking it and it is quiet.
Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future......
If PCIe matters depends a lot on the gpu you want to upgrade to.
If it only has 8 lanes like the 4060ti or 7600 it matters.
@@hennermais Oh true, you are right. But I am running a RX 6800, so I don't think the difference is as noticeable with that one.
@@Noob._gamer wtf is cloud pc?
@@Draconas Cloud PC is where you pay someone a subscription, like Nvidia for example to play your games online. Your PC needs to just be powerful enough to display a web page which is not much. All the game processing is done on your subscribers hardware (Nvidia in this example) and you recieve the results of the processing via the internet. Of course you will need a fast internet connection. Will people go for subscriptions? Unlikely because PC users like having powerful hardware in their box and also more control over their games in their own hands as well as no monthly subscription commitments.
#ask he want to strem as well as he mentioned i think thats why he choose ryzen 7 5800x
So my questions is that
That your recommended is good for 1080 p streaming with lots of overlay and notifications
Please replay ????
also, the Solidigm P41 Plus is an amazing buy. especially for the price. Solidigm has a driver that boosts the speed of the P41 plus, and the software toolkit is amazing aswell. you can secure erase on any storage drive. Also i know someone with the stock cooler and a 5600x, cpu reached 90C at times playing certain games, id definitely get a cheap thermalright cooler to keep it low, then overclock the 5600x if need be.
Daniel, great video. I want to highly encourage you to make more of these from time to time 👍
as for the build, I liked how you started with the 5600. I saw it and was thinking "1200$ hmm I would go for a 5800x3d right away in this position". but the way you made it was way better. leave it to a teacher to educate ppl!
maybe you could show one of those lists from your students next time you talk about builds? it could lead to a very nice follow up video once the student watches the video and implements all the advice 🤔 Im sure he/she would come back to thank you afterwards and give you feedback which you dont get from picking random builds on the internet
Dude really had only an HDD in his build in 2023 😬
And as a boot drive 💀
@@Mike7064 That's even crazier, lol. SSD/Nvme is a minimum at this point.
I was going to get a 3080 ti used from eBay because I saw some really good deals but I’m skeptical even if eBay had great buyer protection
If you're on a tight budget the last thing you need to be worrying about is RGB. Literally no one cares that your computer can light up like a Christmas tree
It's not about others, it's about us picking RGB. I bought it, it looks nice to me, i like it, don't care what others think :)
^ this
This is why I needed out like crazy when I looked for parts to put in my first pc. I did not want to make the mistakes this guy did
great build. although a 650w psu for a 6800xt is pushing it.
It might. It's why I got a 850 watt PSU(back in 2020) in case I get a gpu like that.
I used the EVGA version of that Super Flower 650 W (same PSU with EVGA name brand slappe don it) with a 6800 XT in one of my own builds with zero issues. I even tested it with a 3080 12GB which draws even more power with no issues. That being said, I agree that going higher on the PSU isn't a bad option for more future upgradeability.
That's basically my current build list 😭.. 6650xt, r7 5800x, and same RAM (non-rgb). I went with the cheaper B550M Pro WIFI motherboard and way cheaper Corsair power supply.
Nobody should buy 75 hz 1080p monitors today. 144 -240 is so cheap at this point. See this all the time, get a full clapped out build, and then a monitor that can't use it. Unless maybe you're a business buying 10 000 units. Even for home office PC, I'd get 144. 60-75 feels bad even just for browsing and scrolling.
that guys build is so laughable.
Way to much money in mobo, case and power supply.
Your build is what we would do.
He should take 1 monitor out and replace it by a 144hz monitor.
You've opened up so much money to spend on other things.
1200 dollar build should be a high mid tier system, like what you've did.
I do think he could use a 750 or 850 watt power supply instead of the 650 you recommended. It also doesn't cost much more.
And no gold cer. one needed.
I have a bronze power supply. Which is already over 80-85% efficiency.
Silver start at 85%, gold is almost 90%, plat is over 90%.
If i remember correctly, bronze is 85, silver is 87-88, gold is 90-92, plat is 95-96% efficiency.
Another thing you're paying for with a case is *how pleasant it is to build in* - I had some cases I built PCs in in 2009 or so that were so terrible to actually build in that it made me dread working on my PC, which sucks. It's good that you can get great to build in cases for so much cheaper these days. For a build with a stock CPU fan I'd definitely grab something like the Meshify series (so many cases have tempered glass front panels now which makes non-AIO builds so much harder to cool properly)
Just to be clear, this is all American dollars. I'm in Canada and I spent about $1700 for the following:
5800x
ML240L RGB AIO
ASUS rog STRIX b550-f Gaming WiFi II AM4 mobo
Corsair vengeance RGB pro 16gb DDR 3200 CL16
Kingston KC3000 NVMe 1TB drive
Seagate Barracuda 2TB storage drive
A used 2080 super
NZXT H510 flow
Corsair RM750 PSU
A 3 pack of corsair SP RGB elite fans
MSI optix g241 24" 144hz 1080p monitor
and finally, an ASUS VA24EHE 24" 75hz 1080p monitor
PCPartPicker shows my build as $1160 american, but $1591 Canadian. Again, I spent about $1700 when I built my PC which would be about $1300 USD
I hope more ppl see this before building their rig. I was blinded by core count at a time and thought 12 cores would make my multitasking better while gaming but seeing as how games and apps utilize them i built my new rig with a r5 7600x(6cores) and its a multitude better than the r9 3900(12cores). yes its a new platform so its bound to be better but i find it faster and snappier in operations due to being able to push higher clocks per core and can use integrated vga for streaming. even read somewhere the 7600x is better than 7950x for gaming purposes purely due to clocks.
Hi, Daniel! I found you the first time from your Game Pass video and your 6800XT experience videos. Seeing how far your channel's growth has gone in the last 2 years is outstanding. Love these walkthroughs and discussions - they are tremendously valuable to me as my community's "DIY PC tech guy". Thanks and more power!
Build I built in January this year on AM4 platform: Ryzen 5600 (new) + MSI b450 tomahawk max (with bios flashback to run the cpu, wasn't new but returned for some reason, but with warranty and few screws missing - had to as new wasn't available anymore), cooler I reused my old Noctua (they sent me am4 kit for free), 32gb gskill ram 3200 cl14, psu Corsair 850x and finally used rtx 2060S. Case used my old NZXT, M.2 1TB, 14TB of hdd space also from old build. Total price of the upgrade was like 850 dollars or so. AM4 ftw!! Yeah I know I could go with cheaper psu or ram, but I wanted some quality. RAM is oc'ed to 3600 cl14 (samsung b-die), gpu to like +900mhz on memory (samsung memory). GPU was a risk but paid out so far. And I can always upgrade it and sell the old one. Only thing that it's lacking is 4k gaming of latest AAA titles, 1080p with RT on no issues (with dlss of course). I don't care much as I'm playing most games in 3D on my PJ. But yeah A plague tale requiem looks terrific in 4k not gonna lie, but 2k on high is also quite pretty (60fps). But primary reason I went with am4 was to still run Windows 7 😂 (dual booting win10)
well you don't like the 4080 but i bought one for this reason : 16gb is sweet spot for now and with dlss 3 and frame generation good improvement from my 3080 in cyberpunk rt overdrive for example i have now 75 fps without issues
Who the hell buys a team group ssd? Pre-built scammers? 💀
im glad you made this video, people are clueless with priorities
Something to keep in mind is you are looking at a from scratch build, while it's quite often that people upgrade parts here and there over time. That can explain a lot in the build listings that seem out of whack.
For example, my PCPP build listing includes a 1TB mechanical HDD along with an M.2, but that doesn't mean I bought that drive specifically for this build. It's one I had carried over from a prior computer that is now perfectly usable as a media drive for my photography hobby. Sure, it's going to be listed in the cost breakdown as if I bought it recently, but it's essentially a free part since I have slowly upgraded over time.
And then there's also a lot to be said for aesthetics and brand loyalty (often for good reason), which a build list doesn't take into account.
While you make a valid point, PC Part Picker does allow you to mark parts as being bought. It's a very useful function if you're carrying over old parts.
@@theoperator3712 I didn't see that option when making my build entry. Good to know.
@Nareimooncatt I mean I agree with what you said but if that hard drive was a legacy, then he probably would have included or should have included an m.2 in that build as well
About a year ago switched from Xbox to pc but I still use everything Xbox on the pc. I did months of research to try to understand and it helped in the long run, built two pcs for my cousins but my first build went with a 12400, 6600xt (used) $310 crazy how much prices dropped now. And the usual 16 GB got a free 256 ssd and a 512 m.2. Cheap case from microcenter and spent like $750. Couple months ago upgraded to a Rx 6800 new for $400 so I like to think I did well.
This is a hot niche for life man. SO MANY PPL jus DONT have the confidence or competence to Spec and build out their own PC, and so so so many ppl I see online are going straight to Manufacturer Pre-Built MASSIVELY over priced, UNDER spec'd and comparatively ABYSMAL Performing PC that hits Thermal limits ten min out the box, have Mix matched parts that make ZERO sense for the requirements of the Build to drive price up, while Cheaping out on the Most important components.. I been modding and building my own and friends PC's since I was 12yrs old and got my first HP desktop at X-mas with like ONE gig of Ram and Who knows what for an Intel CPU, and slammed TWO WHOLE GIGS and a 60 $ GPU in it to DEMOLISH Rainbow 6 Urban OPs and whatever its sister title was before or after it, IDK okay I was TWELVE, and the year was like 2012 lmao point, its simple to do, IF you have good instruction, and you can show them they can get 2-3x the Performance AND an upgrade Path, VS a $5000 prebuilt 1660Super, and an I9 stuffed into a case with NO airflow... or a three gen old Ryzen PC etc, and HALF or more of those who do spend that money, it RLY IS jus cuz they dont know any better.
choosing the sketchiest RAM you can really puts into question any advice you give, albeit most of it is pretty sound.