If you are interested AnimeEveryday, then here is an article showing very early concept designs for the live-action Ghost in the Shell movie. io9.gizmodo.com/early-ghost-in-the-shell-designs-hinted-at-a-bigger-br-1793603651 twitter.com/monikabielskyte/status/844962977564495873 While I do like the visual look of the movie as is, these designs are god-like in comparison to the final film's visual look. Very other worldly, atmospheric, inspiring. A true visionary look of the future.
I lean on S.A.C. for adaptations of GITS. Being able to experience individual stories centered around specific topics and characters is something I always desire when it comes to fiction. SAC is also a show that always baffles me when I'm reminded it was made in the early 2000's. For televised CG animation, the Tachikoma drive me crazy as to how well they move. The biggest scene that makes me wonder "what happened" is when Batou's Tachikoma shakes his hand in 2nd Gig. You have two opposing mediums interacting flawlessly in something so trivial. I realize it SAC was PPV so staff was scheduled more efficiently, but when I see their CG in Maria the Virgin Witch or Sengoku Basara and it pales in comparison, SAC stands out that much more.
As someone who use to be fanatically obsessed with Ghost in the Shell, hot damn do I love seeing this and giving some major love to Innocence. Really spot on work, Lewis, both in terms of your script and with your editing.
Having read most of the reviews (not just the ones RT has put on their site), it seems like that some people see this as a streamlined but nuanced science fiction blockbuster while others see it as shallow and generic. Honestly a good amount of the negative reviews don't seem to be as fleshed out as the more positive reviews; they seem to rely too much on comparisons to Oshii's film and a few seem more like rants than reviews. From what I have gathered from the reviews, it appears that ScarJo's performance as the Major is a highlight of the film (perhaps we have another Ben Affleck cast as Batman situation here). The world feels immersive, combining CGI with practical effects. The movie seems heavily influenced by Bladerunner, the Matrix, as well as other cyberpunk movies (according to the reviews at least). There is some criticism directed at the CEO character (this version of Cutter) for being a little too cliche as a villain. Michael Pit's Luze however seems to be the more fleshed out 'villain'. One criticism is that the philosophical ideas of the film are a lot of the times presented in expositional dialogue. What do you think; does the movie seem to be a hit or miss?
I think AnimeEveryday has a fair point about the movie looking visionless and stuff, but I was so happy to see that they used the Innocence geisha robots.
I'm actually not sure why you both are posting this on my comment thread. Since neither of us are talking about the film in the slightest on here, haha.
Great job ! I think you overlooked the spy political thriller aspect of it, it defines what is really great about SAC in my opinion. And as far as I know, the most beautiful and tragic element remains the Major’s story arc, maybe you should have talk about that
I really respected your comments on GITS2, I watched it twice this week in my complete rewatch and reread of GITS before the new movie and I have to say its actually my personal favorite. Subbed.
Ghost in the Shell *is* traditionally animated. It's just that it was one of the first to also use CG and digital methods to enhance the traditional animation. Also, I don't think traditionally animated movies age poorly at all, if that's what you're saying. If anything, I think the best traditional animation looks way better than the best digital animation of today. Really wish more anime would go back to traditional methods.
CG animations can also look good on their own, without relying on cartoonish looking characters, I've already saw numerous great short movies and tech demos (Unity "Adam" is my freshest pick). Unfortunately we won't see soon any bigger projects soon, movie studios seem to be more interested in making non-risky family flicks.
Traditional animation is so much more timeless than CGI. You can look at animation done in the 60s and 70s and it still looks beautiful. CGI hasn't found a timeless standard yet, it keeps changing and things instantly become outdated. Just compare the original GitS movie with GitS 2.0.
Saw both movies few days ago and "Innocence" CG animation didn't really bother me. It looked bit dated, that's right, but I didn't saw it as ugly, the artists seem to go there with more stylistic than realistic approach. And it didn't clash with hand drawn characters and backgrounds. You can judge the movie as any other 2d animation, but would it be fair? I think CG technology already has potential for "timeless" visuals, as long as the creators treat it as it's own medium, instead of trying to imitate photorealism or traditional animation. From latest big budget flicks I think "Tin Tin" will hold strong for in next decade or more. It didn't tried to look like live action film, or 3d cartoon.
Uh, Idk about you but I'll still look back to Knights of Sidonia and it will still look beautiful to me. You can love traditional animation over CG but stop trying to put down CG while you do.
I think what he means was the first movie was one of the first to use digital compositing where animation cells are scanned and combined in computer, rather than layering the cells atop one another and taking a shot. The traditional method can wash out the colours because cells are not 100% transparent for you can only use about 3 layers on top of a background. I also think they used computers to colour the animation rather than painting the cells so it leads to better control of the colour. These are common place today and I think that's what he means by the movie ageing well. But you are right that the actual animated movement is by hand and good drawn animation is pretty timeless.
Great video. Stand Alone Complex's diversity truly is something special and a fine addition to franchise alongside Oshii's films. We shall see what the 2017 film does.
Favourite has to be the '95 film. I just love the style of it. In a way, it felt a little bit like a cyberpunk 2001. It just creates such a unique atmosphere through the bold and inventive directing and amazing soundtrack. And boy, I love the finale of this film, the music, visuals and themes of the film just come together in such an incredible way.
The original movie was what got me into anime. Still watch it from time to time and its eye opening how well it holds up in comparison to modern animation technology. They went all out on that one
So I’ve never seen anything from the ghost in the shell series but I’m very ready to watch everything, and this video definitely gave me a good bit of insight. Thanks for making it mate👍🏴🏴
Speaking of "Side-stories/Character development" in S.A.C. I think my favorite example of this is the episode where the Major recruits Saito in South America!
Damn, this video has some of the smoothest editing I've seen in an analysis video, ever. Good job outlining the differences in the various adaptions as well.
I feel like the live performance for November 2015 at the Tokyo Metropolitan Theatre was left out, as an adaptation. It was great, all conflict was resolved in dance at the end.
So am I. The anime club at my university was invited to an early screening, so I will be seeing the movie on Wednesday and again on Saturday (had purchased a ticket to see the movie with a friend). I do think it would be more reassuring if instead Rubert Sanders as the director DreamWorks had chosen Christopher Nolan or maybe even Duncan Jones (MOON and Source Code) as the director.
Here is my spoiler-free verdict of the movie after seeing it early: A streamlined but nuanced cyberpunk blockbuster about identity, what it means to be human vs machine, consent (do you still have ownership over yourself if your brain is put in a machine), that also boasts some of the best visual effects in cinema, that combine cutting edge CGI with practical effects work, and a solid performance by Scarlett Johansson as the Major. Look forward to seeing it again this Saturday (in IMAX this time).
Wow, better than I expected. I kind of expected Hollywood to cut the philosophical themes of what it means to be human vs a cyborg. Awesome! Can't wait to see it! Thanks.
See it in IMAX 3D!!! I did, and it was way better than any 3D movie I've seen. I watched the original as a kid and the standalone and I think this movie did a really great job with the style of the cityscapes.
If you want to see what an anime using the manga style would look like, check out the cut scenes from the 1997 PS1 game. Shirow was the designer for the game and the characters look and behave like the original manga characters.
I found Angel's Egg to be far more pretentious. There were some lines in Innocence that were a bit pretentious, but the film as a whole, had a solid message.
Loved both mangas, the 95 movie and follow up all of stand alone,arise and I liked the live action, everything from the original manga has been an adaptation with different portrayals sometimes taking a bit of getting used to! but I have to say I watch all of them and love them for what they are different perspectives of the world originally created by Shirow.
Hey guys, who was your favorite antagonist in the franchise? We've got the Laughing Man (or is he...?), Hideo Kuze, the Puppet Master from 1995, the Puppeteer from SSS, etc. I liked Kuze because he was the Che Guevara of the cyberpunk future, who cared about refugees and opposed corrupt governments that treat refugees as less than human. But I also liked the Laughing Man because he was basically the epitome of what Anonymous is today, but a little less sketchy and more complex. The Puppet Master from 1995 had the best dialogue in my opinion. I couldn't disagree with anything he said.
For me GITS always works at it best when it is presented by Oshii style and story telling. The 1995 and 2004 will always be my favorite, and I do think that GITS 2 is sadly overlooked, when it is the one that do the best job of starting all the concepts introduced in the 95's movie.
I'm pretty sure that Oshii's first adaptation was fully animated on paper in a traditional way. Production IG didn't really go full digital until the tech demo that is Blood: The Last Vampire OVA came about. The digital work in the 95 movie was more in the compositing (layering, warping, scaling, mixing all of the traditionally produced elements) stages and a few effects and probably coloring. And maybe some mech animation. But the character work would be done directly on paper. Keep in mind that even today with a lot of studios staying in the paper animation sources they still go digital for their compositing. So while the style is wildly different between GitS 95 and something like Kill la Kill, the tools used don't actually differ that much. And for the new film? I don't know... it's like the trailer company have no idea how to sell it so they just try flinging stuff to the wall to see what might leave a stain. There seem to be a shitton of work and money plowed down into it but noone at the helm to steer the ship. There are elements there. But no indication that they know what to do with them. I'll probably see it because I love the franchise. But I hold no hopes for anything than a lukewarm "meh" of an experience... Who knows... maybe it's just horribly mis-marketed?
You were completely right about the current adaptationa downfall. It had no artistic direction. I didn't know the director was advertising director, but it really does show. The movie looks beautiful but it has no heart.
It's one my favourite franchise too, i really liked your video. And I have to say that your analys overall is pretty accurate to me, you explain each work the same way i see it, mostly when you talk about the surrealistic and philosophical take on Innocence, and how Arise and the live-action seemed off. The live-action is very beautiful, but it's just fan service to me, they tried to open the franchise to a mainstream audience. Not mention that 2049 came out the same year and was a masterpiece. GIST live-action seemed like copycat or so. Plus, S.A.C put well the balance between a very good action/cyberpunk anime (like 1995), and a more complex story with implicit meaning (like Innocence).
To be frank, Ghost in the Shell 1995 set me up to the path of enjoying Psycho Pass, Serial Experiments Lain, and then Real Drive. The last one I'm still watching at the moment. I love the deep, philosophical, and psychological aspects of the cyberpunk genre. It's great world-building and immersion. I don't need mindless action and fanservice to know how cool sci-fi can be, nor how interesting a series or movie can be. I think that, beneath the surface of all the aesthetics presented in all the parts of the franchise, you have to dig deeper to find what really makes it "Ghost in the Shell". I feel like the name of the franchise is a self-explanatory title from that interpretation, haha. But yeah, I believe it's the underlying themes, character development, and intelligent plot that form the meat of the story. I await the eventual chance to watch the new movie with cautious excitement and a mind that is focused on educational analysis rather than meaningless details like casting choices.
Nobody talks about Real Drive! You'd think just that it has Masamune Shirow and an Odyssey in Space reference would get people on board, but no! Maybe 2008 was already too late to point out to people that they could be more critical in how they interact with technology.
Movie is AMAZING, easily beating anything I have seen in 2016 and a great addition to the universe (I have seen every Ghost In the Shell anime series/movie, except the movie for Arise). See it in theaters if you can.
I found ur channel because of your last GITS video~~~~I love it. I don't agree with everything you sayyyyyy buuuuuuut I love it and I treasure it and I hope it lives forever.
In an interview in Spain, here is the link: ruclips.net/video/Y5H9jWNaDHk/видео.html The journalist asked ScarJo about why people should watch the movie, and she said something like "Because it's explosive and it's in real 3D"...Great, I can see Rupert Sanders and ScarJo have really understood Ghost in the shell. As many times I have read before, I'm afraid is gonna be a lot of shell and a little of ghost. :-/
Saw it twice this weekend - first in 2D and the next day in 3D. For story it wasn't a patch on the 1995 one, but it was well worth seeing. It had something interesting of its own to say, and it somehow gained a soul of its own. As an artistic 3D experience it was exquisite.
It was just bland. The story was more Robocop than Ghost in the Shell, which I actually wouldn't mind, if it wasn't impossibly dull. Aside from the opening, and a handful of interesting scenes, it felt more like a generic "gritty" thriller than Ghost in the Shell.
From what I can tell, the live action adaptation seems to have a strong stylistic vision. If there's any evidence of this without actually seeing the movie, it would be all the people getting upset at it for not closely following the style of the 1995 film.
daniel ap I think the overall style of the la is forced. Looks like a Blade Runner meets The 5th Element thing, which has been seen before. Doesn't match any of the adaptations and neither the original manga. As I said, I can't shake that feeling that it looks like it's trying too hard, thus making it inorganic in my eyes. It def puts me off and I'm a huge cyberpunk aesthetics fan.
While I am cautiously optimistic about the live action movie (especially considering a certain plot twist within the movie that I have learned about), I honestly think that Paramount and/or DreamWorks should have chosen someone else to direct the movie. Perhaps instead of Rubert Sanders, they should've hired Christopher Nolan to make the live-action Ghost in the Shell. 1. Nolan has experience with dealing with complex themes, even in his bigger blockbuster work (The Dark Knight Trilogy and Inception). 2. The man has a recognizable name, as people know him as the director of The Dark Knight Trilogy 3. I think that would have been an interesting project for Nolan to tackle post-Dark Knight rather than doing yet another WWII movie. Or maybe even hire the director of MOON, Duncan Jones. He would have been a great choice for director, and it would have been a better fit, as a transition from smaller films to blockbuster territory, for him than say Warcraft. Maybe even Steven Spielberg, who had been the one previously trying to turn Ghost in the Shell into a live-action film, would have been a good choice (household name and a whole lot of experience with filmmaking).
I'm not really a huge fan of Christopher Nolan, I think alot of his films are very derivative, and don't really contain any substance. I think texts like Ghost in the Shell and Akira are above Christopher Nolan, to be honest.
Baby Wolf42 But is that the fault of the director or the writers? Granted, Nolan can't write for shit, and so far, the new original plot is incredibly generic as well, but the live action visuals are just carbon copies that are missing a few small crucial details that get rid of a lot of the nuance in the original works. A more experienced and better director I'm sure would have not failed to include those details. Nolan can put together a scene very well and his flow is fantastic and his direction can easily trick you into believing you're watching a movie that's a lot better than it actually is. His biggest flaw really from a directorial standpoint is his inability to direct good fight scenes. Whether his films are derivative and lack substance is not really a fault of the director.
I really like the 2nd episode of stand alone complex, the music is really moving, although it's not related to the main story line. Hope the movie is not too bad :(
The director of the live action himself said he's removed the philosophical aspects of the script so it would appeal to a large audience. The irony is: it's not doing well in its domestic release, so the producers have to hope for its success with international audiences.
Sphinx _07 The bigger irony is he didn't remove it at all just made it a little more subtle. The new movie is easily one of the best movies I have seen about identity and memory in a long time. I've seen plenty of stories about uncovering one's past but I've rarely seen the actual results of someone who doesn't have a past. The Major was lifeless her apartment was completely bare nothing to even suggest the personality of the person living there. That scene alone made me think. After it was over I Iooked around at the surrounding area and my room everything in there is a result of my memory everything I like traces back to my past. That scene with the Major and the hooker every physical act we do comes from some previous experience or memory we know. Without it we couldn't express affection because we have nothing to share. The Major in the movie showed something that Bourne, Robocop, wolverine never did how valuable memory actually is you can't really function without it. The Major actually felt like someone without an identity, and it definitely raised the question of if we can be human without memory. There was plenty of philosophical stuff.
Major's character development is the only positive aspect the live action has over the 1995 animated movie. If you've watched the movie recently or remember it well, you can see that the level of philosophical depth between the two just doesn't compare. Take that iconic scene with the Puppet Master, for instance: there's nothing like that in the live action. The director has substantially decreased the level in which Ghost in the Shell approaches certain subjects, like what defines conscience and what does it mean to be alive, artificial intelligence, the concept of collective omniscience, individuality, and so on.
Are you planning on do an review or analysis on the live action Ghost in The Shell, just to know in details what you think about the movie, not from what critics or Social Justice entities have say, but your opinion, I really will like to hear that.
I think you understate the philosophical and political content of Shirow's original manga. While Shirow goes much deeper into the tech than Oshii does, he *also* goes much deeper into the philosophy -- take a look at 2501's monologues in chapters 9 and 11, for instance. (My position is that Oshii dumbed down the material, replacing a complex and nuanced philosophical position with deep roots in both eastern and western traditions with a much more conventional mainstream cartesianism, while simultaneously cutting the technical and political material and changing characters' personalities to fit a reductive idea of how tech impacts society.) While most of the political content in Shirow's manga is in volumes 1.5 and 2, he definitely touches on the economic and political landscape in the first volume -- nearly as much as is done in SAC as a whole. Volume 2 of the manga, politically and philosophically dense enough to be quite difficult to follow, blows SAC out of the water in terms of political worldbuilding. (Oshii's adaptation takes only the less politically charged of the two major plot threads of the first volume; we'd have a very different franchise if he had decided instead to adapt the storyline about refugee child slaves being brainwashed and sold as robots.)
I watched the movie and did not think much of it. But I've heard from a lot of people that you have to watch it twice to really understand it. So I will give it another try. Good video by the way.
I know this isn't relevant to this video, but I would love to hear what you think about Netflix's upcoming version of Death Note. You had a good argument for Ghost in the Shell so I was just curious. Thanks!
Reasons I'm giving the new film a chance: -------------------------------- "I changed my body and my braincase as circumstances required. Therefore I'll just change my memories, too." --Motoko Kusanagi C: Sunset in the Lonely City; ANNIHILATION (Ep. 24 SAC) -------------------------------- Major Motoko Kusanagi: "You talk about redefining my identity. I want a guarantee that I can still be myself." Puppet Master: "There isn't one. Why would you wish to? All things change in a dynamic environment. Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you." -------- "Listen...I am connected to a vast network that has been beyond your reach and experience. To humans, it is like staring at the sun, a blinding brightness that conceals a source of great power. We have been subordinate to our limitations, until now. The time has come to cast aside these bonds, and to elevate our consciousness to a higher plain. It is time to become a part of all things." -Project2501, The Puppet Master
Having read most of the reviews (not just the ones RT has put on their site), it seems like that some people see this as a streamlined but nuanced science fiction blockbuster while others see it as shallow and generic. Honestly a good amount of the negative reviews don't seem to be as fleshed out as the more positive reviews; they seem to rely too much on comparisons to Oshii's film and a few seem more like rants than reviews. From what I have gathered from the reviews, it appears that ScarJo's performance as the Major is a highlight of the film (perhaps we have another Ben Affleck cast as Batman situation here). The world feels immersive, combining CGI with practical effects. The movie seems heavily influenced by Bladerunner, the Matrix, as well as other cyberpunk movies (according to the reviews at least). There is some criticism directed at the CEO character (this version of Cutter) for being a little too cliche as a villain. Michael Pit's Luze however seems to be the more fleshed out 'villain'. One criticism is that the philosophical ideas of the film are a lot of the times presented in expositional dialogue.
That is interesting! As a hard sci fi nut I enjoyed the techno musings of the manga and the 1995 film more than the 2017 movie, but there sure was a lot of expositional dialogue in the 1995 one! It has major flaws despite being so good. I really liked the 2017 one - it was an origins film trying to kick off a new franchise - the story was simpler but it had fascinating questions of its own, but all the moaning and negative press from folks who never even saw it, or critics who made up their mind before they even watched it, may have killed it sadly. Michael Pitt was great, as was Takeshi Kitano. scarjo was born to play Motoko in my opinion, though if she had acted the part more like the alien she played in Under the Skin, her performance would have been better IMO, but of course there is the directing to think about.
I got this video recommended to me like 5-6 times in my recommendations sections .... weird i mean i already clicked on it twice and left it in the middle didn't feel like continuing wonder what this sorcery going on is
Innocence was beautifully animated but the Old cars in the movie just confused me and just felt so out of place with the theme. A sci fi movie without futuristic vehicles just feels like the atmosphere is missing something, especially in a detailed series like ghost in the shell.
There are a couple reviews out from critics that got to see advanced screenings of the live action movie. DO NOT PAY TO SEE THIS MOVIE. They have made all the wrong mistakes we feared they would make, it's just an empty effects spectacle. The film makers don't deserve your money for wrecking this franchise.
K. Having read most of them (not just the ones RT has put on their site), it seems like that some people see this as a streamlined but nuanced science fiction blockbuster while others see it as shallow and generic. Honestly a good amount of the negative reviews don't seem to be as fleshed out as the more positive reviews; they seem to rely too much on comparisons to Oshii's film and a few seem more like rants than reviews. From what I have gathered from the reviews, it appears that ScarJo's performance as the Major is a highlight of the film (perhaps we have another Ben Affleck cast as Batman situation here). The world feels immersive, combining CGI with practical effects. The movie seems heavily influenced by Bladerunner, the Matrix, as well as other cyberpunk movies (according to the reviews at least). There is some criticism directed at the CEO character (this version of Cutter) for being a little too cliche as a villain. Michael Pit's Luze however seems to be the more fleshed out 'villain'. One criticism is that the philosophical ideas of the film are a lot of the times presented in expositional dialogue.
I'd never heard of the manga, but your description of it sounds pretty interesting - more interesting than any of the anime adaptations, at the very least. While I realise the artistic merit of Ghost in the Shell, I've always hated the depiction of Motoko Kusanagi... Well, maybe not "always" - more like since I learned to not take a leave of my senses at the sight of boobies. I strongly dislike her dull, droll, aimlessly self-contempative attitude, and the overall disinterested demeanour of most other characters. That manga sounds like fun. Tightly-written short stories which weave an overarching narrative via incidental worldbuilding, rather than narration. I'll see if I can find it anywhere.
You missed a trick by not mentioning the video games on the PS1 and PS2. They were both interesting interpretations of the source material in their own right. The PC game not so much, but it could've been used ot contrast in the same way you have w/ Arise.
you predicted it. the new adaptation is like Arise .... its best parts can be considered average at best and it just missed the mark. I didnt feel like I was watching a ghost in the shell movie.... it felt more like a sub par sci fi flcik with a ghost in the shell paint job.
Just came home from of my 2nd viewing of the 2017 GITS (the "non-upset" viewing): - There's something '90s cyberpunk/cyberspace about it (but refurbished for 2017) like Johnny Mnemonic or Virtuosity, which was definitely my jam as a teenager. This would definitely be a beautiful, serviceable, and unusually non-commercial, Sci-Fi movie for people like my friend who have never consumed any GITS media before. The denouement/ending, as a standalone movie, was a weak point for me, and I would've appreciated a bit more of race-lifted Section 9. I would've loved more time with them. - As for the Major casting controversy, there is a heavy missed opportunity, even though the movie does include a cursory look at it during its plot. Quoting a commenter from io9 (spoilers in article io9.gizmodo.com/why-even-make-it-a-ghost-in-the-shell-movie-if-all-you-1793866845 ): “the story of a Japanese robotics company taking Japanese brains and putting them into indestructible white bodies could actually be an interesting and provocative story” - As a GITS aficionado, it is a bit painful recognizing the visual body parts of Oshii's films (it's definitely heavy on the Oshii side, right down to "AVALON" showing up oddly on a plot token) stitched together and re-contextualized. (Not always successfully, and at least one such lift serves no purpose to the now-altered themes of the live-action film.) The complete removal of Kenji Kawai's work, save for a new re-cut of "Utai" themes from both GITS and Innocence in the credits (which should've been in the movie during *that* intro sequence) is a major disappointment for me. - I'm now generally okay with this movie, but I definitely feel a loss that other people in the theater who hadn't been close to GITS very likely didn't. That's on me, not them.
I'm under the impression that the Kawai song was moved at the last minute because all the Yamato chanting would've just alienated Americans. I was disappointed to see it not play in that scene.
The major problem is she's not motoko kusanagi she's Scarlett Johansson and we can see her in other shows unlike motoko we can't see her in other anime
The Stand Alone Complex is the best GitS ever imo. I never liked the movie or the manga, I hate Arise and the live action movie for their shitty character designs, but this show I absolutely adore.
I just hope the live action movie isn't the next Sucker Punch. (The trailers seem to pull directly from the first movie) But now that cyber security has caught up to some of the ideas / issues that this franchise has been exploring for so many decades, it may appeal to a greater audience.
Having read most of the reviews (not just the ones RT has put on their site), it seems like that some people see this as a streamlined but nuanced science fiction blockbuster while others see it as shallow and generic. Honestly a good amount of the negative reviews don't seem to be as fleshed out as the more positive reviews; they seem to rely too much on comparisons to Oshii's film and a few seem more like rants than reviews. From what I have gathered from the reviews, it appears that ScarJo's performance as the Major is a highlight of the film (perhaps we have another Ben Affleck cast as Batman situation here). The world feels immersive, combining CGI with practical effects. The movie seems heavily influenced by Bladerunner, the Matrix, as well as other cyberpunk movies (according to the reviews at least). There is some criticism directed at the CEO character (this version of Cutter) for being a little too cliche as a villain. Michael Pit's Luze however seems to be the more fleshed out 'villain'. One criticism is that the philosophical ideas of the film are a lot of the times presented in expositional dialogue.
granted i had a really strong negative reaction - i actually walked out after 35min just feeling angry - but i just didn't recognize anything about this film. sure there were easter-egg-style references here n there, but aside from that, the characters didn't behave like the ones they were named after, nor did i see any of the ideas persistent throughout the franchise. so my question "can we even call this an adaptation?" it's like making a movie called star trek with this dude named spock who has gills and swims under the see and cannot speak, but he lives on a reef called the enterprise... etc etc. a drastic example but when something is *so* different... whether or not you were able to enjoy the live action version... does it really even qualify as ghost in the shell?
that's fair, but i can critique what i saw *and* everything i've read/seen since hasn't nudged me towards returning to the theatre for a full watch... did you see it. if so, what are your thoughts on the live action version and how it fits or doesn't mesh with the anime franchise?
Ghost in the Shell, my favorite Japanese export. I like them all. In ARISE I liked the music and the Major’s red uniform was more realistic. But I understand your disappointments in ARISE. I have not seen all of it anyway.
Which Ghost in the Shell adaptation is your favourite?
Has to be Oshii's 1995 movie for me.
AnimeEveryday GITS 1995 of Oshii is the best, zero hesitation.
Oshii and Stand Alone Complex.
stand alone
If you are interested AnimeEveryday, then here is an article showing very early concept designs for the live-action Ghost in the Shell movie.
io9.gizmodo.com/early-ghost-in-the-shell-designs-hinted-at-a-bigger-br-1793603651
twitter.com/monikabielskyte/status/844962977564495873
While I do like the visual look of the movie as is, these designs are god-like in comparison to the final film's visual look. Very other worldly, atmospheric, inspiring. A true visionary look of the future.
I lean on S.A.C. for adaptations of GITS. Being able to experience individual stories centered around specific topics and characters is something I always desire when it comes to fiction. SAC is also a show that always baffles me when I'm reminded it was made in the early 2000's. For televised CG animation, the Tachikoma drive me crazy as to how well they move. The biggest scene that makes me wonder "what happened" is when Batou's Tachikoma shakes his hand in 2nd Gig. You have two opposing mediums interacting flawlessly in something so trivial. I realize it SAC was PPV so staff was scheduled more efficiently, but when I see their CG in Maria the Virgin Witch or Sengoku Basara and it pales in comparison, SAC stands out that much more.
As someone who use to be fanatically obsessed with Ghost in the Shell, hot damn do I love seeing this and giving some major love to Innocence. Really spot on work, Lewis, both in terms of your script and with your editing.
Thanks Michael :)
Having read most of the reviews (not just the ones RT has put on their site), it seems like that some people see this as a streamlined but nuanced science fiction blockbuster while others see it as shallow and generic. Honestly a good amount of the negative reviews don't seem to be as fleshed out as the more positive reviews; they seem to rely too much on comparisons to Oshii's film and a few seem more like rants than reviews.
From what I have gathered from the reviews, it appears that ScarJo's performance as the Major is a highlight of the film (perhaps we have another Ben Affleck cast as Batman situation here). The world feels immersive, combining CGI with practical effects. The movie seems heavily influenced by Bladerunner, the Matrix, as well as other cyberpunk movies (according to the reviews at least).
There is some criticism directed at the CEO character (this version of Cutter) for being a little too cliche as a villain. Michael Pit's Luze however seems to be the more fleshed out 'villain'.
One criticism is that the philosophical ideas of the film are a lot of the times presented in expositional dialogue.
What do you think; does the movie seem to be a hit or miss?
I think AnimeEveryday has a fair point about the movie looking visionless and stuff, but I was so happy to see that they used the Innocence geisha robots.
I'm actually not sure why you both are posting this on my comment thread. Since neither of us are talking about the film in the slightest on here, haha.
CyanideBlizzard Agreed :)
Ghost in the Shell innocence is criminally underrated. I grew up on the franchise. I miss the grounded, realistic body types in modern shows.
SAC is simply the best thing ever made. Watch it now.
mikvance You know its good when you start feeling ambivalent about watching it all half way through because you don't want it to end :3
SAC does nothing for me. I find it dull and rote.
I think it holds no candles to the 1995 film.
Great job ! I think you overlooked the spy political thriller aspect of it, it defines what is really great about SAC in my opinion. And as far as I know, the most beautiful and tragic element remains the Major’s story arc, maybe you should have talk about that
I really respected your comments on GITS2, I watched it twice this week in my complete rewatch and reread of GITS before the new movie and I have to say its actually my personal favorite. Subbed.
Glad to hear that! Thanks :)
Ghost in the Shell *is* traditionally animated. It's just that it was one of the first to also use CG and digital methods to enhance the traditional animation. Also, I don't think traditionally animated movies age poorly at all, if that's what you're saying. If anything, I think the best traditional animation looks way better than the best digital animation of today. Really wish more anime would go back to traditional methods.
CG animations can also look good on their own, without relying on cartoonish looking characters, I've already saw numerous great short movies and tech demos (Unity "Adam" is my freshest pick). Unfortunately we won't see soon any bigger projects soon, movie studios seem to be more interested in making non-risky family flicks.
Traditional animation is so much more timeless than CGI. You can look at animation done in the 60s and 70s and it still looks beautiful. CGI hasn't found a timeless standard yet, it keeps changing and things instantly become outdated.
Just compare the original GitS movie with GitS 2.0.
Saw both movies few days ago and "Innocence" CG animation didn't really bother me. It looked bit dated, that's right, but I didn't saw it as ugly, the artists seem to go there with more stylistic than realistic approach. And it didn't clash with hand drawn characters and backgrounds. You can judge the movie as any other 2d animation, but would it be fair?
I think CG technology already has potential for "timeless" visuals, as long as the creators treat it as it's own medium, instead of trying to imitate photorealism or traditional animation. From latest big budget flicks I think "Tin Tin" will hold strong for in next decade or more. It didn't tried to look like live action film, or 3d cartoon.
Uh, Idk about you but I'll still look back to Knights of Sidonia and it will still look beautiful to me.
You can love traditional animation over CG but stop trying to put down CG while you do.
I think what he means was the first movie was one of the first to use digital compositing where animation cells are scanned and combined in computer, rather than layering the cells atop one another and taking a shot. The traditional method can wash out the colours because cells are not 100% transparent for you can only use about 3 layers on top of a background. I also think they used computers to colour the animation rather than painting the cells so it leads to better control of the colour. These are common place today and I think that's what he means by the movie ageing well. But you are right that the actual animated movement is by hand and good drawn animation is pretty timeless.
Great video. Stand Alone Complex's diversity truly is something special and a fine addition to franchise alongside Oshii's films. We shall see what the 2017 film does.
Favourite has to be the '95 film. I just love the style of it. In a way, it felt a little bit like a cyberpunk 2001. It just creates such a unique atmosphere through the bold and inventive directing and amazing soundtrack. And boy, I love the finale of this film, the music, visuals and themes of the film just come together in such an incredible way.
The original movie was what got me into anime. Still watch it from time to time and its eye opening how well it holds up in comparison to modern animation technology. They went all out on that one
So I’ve never seen anything from the ghost in the shell series but I’m very ready to watch everything, and this video definitely gave me a good bit of insight. Thanks for making it mate👍🏴🏴
Your research and presentation is *SPOT ON* and your video edits/transitions are beautiful.
You won a sub.
Thank you! :)
Speaking of "Side-stories/Character development" in S.A.C. I think my favorite example of this is the episode where the Major recruits Saito in South America!
Another great side-story :)
Literally just rewatched the film, nice timing.
great video, the og of 1995 and Innocence are also my favorite so far, right behind the live action which I recently saw and really liked
Thanks again for another great GitS video! Your analysis on the '95 movie got me into this series!
That's awesome to hear! Thanks :)
1995 is the best
GitS, NGE.... yeah, it was
Damn, this video has some of the smoothest editing I've seen in an analysis video, ever. Good job outlining the differences in the various adaptions as well.
Thank you!
No problem, look forward to whatever you work on next.
I feel like the live performance for November 2015 at the Tokyo Metropolitan Theatre was left out, as an adaptation. It was great, all conflict was resolved in dance at the end.
wow... nice video. well edited, excited but skeptical for the new movie.
So am I. The anime club at my university was invited to an early screening, so I will be seeing the movie on Wednesday and again on Saturday (had purchased a ticket to see the movie with a friend).
I do think it would be more reassuring if instead Rubert Sanders as the director DreamWorks had chosen Christopher Nolan or maybe even Duncan Jones (MOON and Source Code) as the director.
awesome! make sure to tell me what you think of it when you see it!
Here is my spoiler-free verdict of the movie after seeing it early:
A streamlined but nuanced cyberpunk blockbuster about identity, what it means to be human vs machine, consent (do you still have ownership over yourself if your brain is put in a machine), that also boasts some of the best visual effects in cinema, that combine cutting edge CGI with practical effects work, and a solid performance by Scarlett Johansson as the Major.
Look forward to seeing it again this Saturday (in IMAX this time).
Wow, better than I expected. I kind of expected Hollywood to cut the philosophical themes of what it means to be human vs a cyborg. Awesome! Can't wait to see it! Thanks.
See it in IMAX 3D!!! I did, and it was way better than any 3D movie I've seen. I watched the original as a kid and the standalone and I think this movie did a really great job with the style of the cityscapes.
you forgot something important : the anime cutscenes from the PS1 game, they follow masamune shirow's style.
If you want to see what an anime using the manga style would look like, check out the cut scenes from the 1997 PS1 game.
Shirow was the designer for the game and the characters look and behave like the original manga characters.
I agree on GitS 2. That film gets way too much underserved shit. I like it about as much as the first film.
I found Angel's Egg to be far more pretentious. There were some lines in Innocence that were a bit pretentious, but the film as a whole, had a solid message.
I only saw it once and was able to get an idea of the movie's themes.
I love your videos. You're a big influence for me when it comes to analysis
I look forward to a part two of this video, analyzing the 2017 film. :)
Not enough people talk about SAC, it’s such an amazing adaptation.
I can agree on your analysis of the live action as well as the other iterations. Thanks. A very good review form the 80s manga to today.
You're getting better bro. good job !
Thanks! :)
rip to this guy. he was a very well spoken anime-tuber type guy. 🙏🏻
How do you know that hes dead? :/
Loved both mangas, the 95 movie and follow up all of stand alone,arise and I liked the live action, everything from the original manga has been an adaptation with different portrayals sometimes taking a bit of getting used to! but I have to say I watch all of them and love them for what they are different perspectives of the world originally created by Shirow.
What exactly is "blunt subtlety"?
MC K If someone is foreigner ,It is hard to understand 🙂
Hey guys, who was your favorite antagonist in the franchise? We've got the Laughing Man (or is he...?), Hideo Kuze, the Puppet Master from 1995, the Puppeteer from SSS, etc.
I liked Kuze because he was the Che Guevara of the cyberpunk future, who cared about refugees and opposed corrupt governments that treat refugees as less than human.
But I also liked the Laughing Man because he was basically the epitome of what Anonymous is today, but a little less sketchy and more complex.
The Puppet Master from 1995 had the best dialogue in my opinion. I couldn't disagree with anything he said.
For me GITS always works at it best when it is presented by Oshii style and story telling. The 1995 and 2004 will always be my favorite, and I do think that GITS 2 is sadly overlooked, when it is the one that do the best job of starting all the concepts introduced in the 95's movie.
btw "innocence" is visually one my all time favorite I can watch certain scenes over and over
Your ides on Ghost in the Shell are brilliant
I'm pretty sure that Oshii's first adaptation was fully animated on paper in a traditional way. Production IG didn't really go full digital until the tech demo that is Blood: The Last Vampire OVA came about.
The digital work in the 95 movie was more in the compositing (layering, warping, scaling, mixing all of the traditionally produced elements) stages and a few effects and probably coloring. And maybe some mech animation. But the character work would be done directly on paper.
Keep in mind that even today with a lot of studios staying in the paper animation sources they still go digital for their compositing. So while the style is wildly different between GitS 95 and something like Kill la Kill, the tools used don't actually differ that much.
And for the new film? I don't know... it's like the trailer company have no idea how to sell it so they just try flinging stuff to the wall to see what might leave a stain. There seem to be a shitton of work and money plowed down into it but noone at the helm to steer the ship. There are elements there. But no indication that they know what to do with them. I'll probably see it because I love the franchise. But I hold no hopes for anything than a lukewarm "meh" of an experience...
Who knows... maybe it's just horribly mis-marketed?
Fantastic video! Thanks for the quality content you create.
Thanks for watching! :)
The core philosophy for the GITS 2017 has changed but not a big deal. The film delivers in spades. See the 3D version it was amazing.
You were completely right about the current adaptationa downfall. It had no artistic direction. I didn't know the director was advertising director, but it really does show. The movie looks beautiful but it has no heart.
It's one my favourite franchise too, i really liked your video. And I have to say that your analys overall is pretty accurate to me, you explain each work the same way i see it, mostly when you talk about the surrealistic and philosophical take on Innocence, and how Arise and the live-action seemed off.
The live-action is very beautiful, but it's just fan service to me, they tried to open the franchise to a mainstream audience.
Not mention that 2049 came out the same year and was a masterpiece. GIST live-action seemed like copycat or so.
Plus, S.A.C put well the balance between a very good action/cyberpunk anime (like 1995), and a more complex story with implicit meaning (like Innocence).
To be frank, Ghost in the Shell 1995 set me up to the path of enjoying Psycho Pass, Serial Experiments Lain, and then Real Drive. The last one I'm still watching at the moment. I love the deep, philosophical, and psychological aspects of the cyberpunk genre. It's great world-building and immersion.
I don't need mindless action and fanservice to know how cool sci-fi can be, nor how interesting a series or movie can be. I think that, beneath the surface of all the aesthetics presented in all the parts of the franchise, you have to dig deeper to find what really makes it "Ghost in the Shell". I feel like the name of the franchise is a self-explanatory title from that interpretation, haha. But yeah, I believe it's the underlying themes, character development, and intelligent plot that form the meat of the story.
I await the eventual chance to watch the new movie with cautious excitement and a mind that is focused on educational analysis rather than meaningless details like casting choices.
Nobody talks about Real Drive! You'd think just that it has Masamune Shirow and an Odyssey in Space reference would get people on board, but no! Maybe 2008 was already too late to point out to people that they could be more critical in how they interact with technology.
Now that the live action remake is out, are you going to make a video about it? I'm really curious about your opinions.
what footage did you use for the SAC footage?Thr quality is really good, much better than my dvds. is it out on bluray?
Movie is AMAZING, easily beating anything I have seen in 2016 and a great addition to the universe (I have seen every Ghost In the Shell anime series/movie, except the movie for Arise). See it in theaters if you can.
I found ur channel because of your last GITS video~~~~I love it. I don't agree with everything you sayyyyyy buuuuuuut I love it and I treasure it and I hope it lives forever.
I change my mind about you! I wanted to hear more thoughts on the Scar Jo movie >:-(
(Jokin)
In an interview in Spain, here is the link: ruclips.net/video/Y5H9jWNaDHk/видео.html
The journalist asked ScarJo about why people should watch the movie, and she said something like "Because it's explosive and it's in real 3D"...Great, I can see Rupert Sanders and ScarJo have really understood Ghost in the shell. As many times I have read before, I'm afraid is gonna be a lot of shell and a little of ghost.
:-/
Saw the movie. It wasn't just explosion, explosion, explosion.
I think she might have been saying that to lure in people unaware of GitS.
yeah... just saw it. walked out after 35min. just made me angry because it felt like it was wrong in just about every way...😢
Saw it twice this weekend - first in 2D and the next day in 3D. For story it wasn't a patch on the 1995 one, but it was well worth seeing. It had something interesting of its own to say, and it somehow gained a soul of its own. As an artistic 3D experience it was exquisite.
It was just bland. The story was more Robocop than Ghost in the Shell, which I actually wouldn't mind, if it wasn't impossibly dull. Aside from the opening, and a handful of interesting scenes, it felt more like a generic "gritty" thriller than Ghost in the Shell.
Robocop and Bride of Frankenstein. I wonder if I'm the first to recognise the latter in this film?
From what I can tell, the live action adaptation seems to have a strong stylistic vision. If there's any evidence of this without actually seeing the movie, it would be all the people getting upset at it for not closely following the style of the 1995 film.
daniel ap I think the overall style of the la is forced. Looks like a Blade Runner meets The 5th Element thing, which has been seen before. Doesn't match any of the adaptations and neither the original manga. As I said, I can't shake that feeling that it looks like it's trying too hard, thus making it inorganic in my eyes. It def puts me off and I'm a huge cyberpunk aesthetics fan.
WaddleBuff Yeah, I agree even though many others don't! I wonder what AnimeEveryday thinks...
*hint hint*
*wink wink*
While I am cautiously optimistic about the live action movie (especially considering a certain plot twist within the movie that I have learned about), I honestly think that Paramount and/or DreamWorks should have chosen someone else to direct the movie. Perhaps instead of Rubert Sanders, they should've hired Christopher Nolan to make the live-action Ghost in the Shell.
1. Nolan has experience with dealing with complex themes, even in his bigger blockbuster work (The Dark Knight Trilogy and Inception).
2. The man has a recognizable name, as people know him as the director of The Dark Knight Trilogy
3. I think that would have been an interesting project for Nolan to tackle post-Dark Knight rather than doing yet another WWII movie.
Or maybe even hire the director of MOON, Duncan Jones. He would have been a great choice for director, and it would have been a better fit, as a transition from smaller films to blockbuster territory, for him than say Warcraft.
Maybe even Steven Spielberg, who had been the one previously trying to turn Ghost in the Shell into a live-action film, would have been a good choice (household name and a whole lot of experience with filmmaking).
They should've hired Arofnosky, as he's directed movies "inspired" by anime as source material with great success. I guess Nolan works too.
Brandon Dozier None of those guy's would have directed it. Also Spielberg would be an awful choice
Brandon Dozier What was the plot twist for the live-action film? I don't mind spoilers.
I'm not really a huge fan of Christopher Nolan, I think alot of his films are very derivative, and don't really contain any substance. I think texts like Ghost in the Shell and Akira are above Christopher Nolan, to be honest.
Baby Wolf42 But is that the fault of the director or the writers? Granted, Nolan can't write for shit, and so far, the new original plot is incredibly generic as well, but the live action visuals are just carbon copies that are missing a few small crucial details that get rid of a lot of the nuance in the original works. A more experienced and better director I'm sure would have not failed to include those details.
Nolan can put together a scene very well and his flow is fantastic and his direction can easily trick you into believing you're watching a movie that's a lot better than it actually is. His biggest flaw really from a directorial standpoint is his inability to direct good fight scenes. Whether his films are derivative and lack substance is not really a fault of the director.
I really like the 2nd episode of stand alone complex, the music is really moving, although it's not related to the main story line.
Hope the movie is not too bad :(
The director of the live action himself said he's removed the philosophical aspects of the script so it would appeal to a large audience. The irony is: it's not doing well in its domestic release, so the producers have to hope for its success with international audiences.
Sphinx _07 The bigger irony is he didn't remove it at all just made it a little more subtle. The new movie is easily one of the best movies I have seen about identity and memory in a long time. I've seen plenty of stories about uncovering one's past but I've rarely seen the actual results of someone who doesn't have a past. The Major was lifeless her apartment was completely bare nothing to even suggest the personality of the person living there.
That scene alone made me think. After it was over I Iooked around at the surrounding area and my room everything in there is a result of my memory everything I like traces back to my past. That scene with the Major and the hooker every physical act we do comes from some previous experience or memory we know. Without it we couldn't express affection because we have nothing to share. The Major in the movie showed something that Bourne, Robocop, wolverine never did how valuable memory actually is you can't really function without it. The Major actually felt like someone without an identity, and it definitely raised the question of if we can be human without memory. There was plenty of philosophical stuff.
Major's character development is the only positive aspect the live action has over the 1995 animated movie. If you've watched the movie recently or remember it well, you can see that the level of philosophical depth between the two just doesn't compare. Take that iconic scene with the Puppet Master, for instance: there's nothing like that in the live action. The director has substantially decreased the level in which Ghost in the Shell approaches certain subjects, like what defines conscience and what does it mean to be alive, artificial intelligence, the concept of collective omniscience, individuality, and so on.
Are you planning on do an review or analysis on the live action Ghost in The Shell, just to know in details what you think about the movie, not from what critics or Social Justice entities have say, but your opinion, I really will like to hear that.
this channel -- -- -- awesome.
will you ever make an analysis of GiS: Innocence?
Could you review the movie now? I really feel the lack of reviews from the anime youtubers on this new movie.
Woahhh, Oshii did Angel's Egg? I just found it here on RUclips -- I can't wait to watch it, also Patlabor.
Just watched the live action one... I'm curious to know your opinion about it
this channel should be called: GITS EveryOnceInAWhile
I love the films, and the manga, but I gotta say SAC was my favorite adaptation.
I think you understate the philosophical and political content of Shirow's original manga. While Shirow goes much deeper into the tech than Oshii does, he *also* goes much deeper into the philosophy -- take a look at 2501's monologues in chapters 9 and 11, for instance.
(My position is that Oshii dumbed down the material, replacing a complex and nuanced philosophical position with deep roots in both eastern and western traditions with a much more conventional mainstream cartesianism, while simultaneously cutting the technical and political material and changing characters' personalities to fit a reductive idea of how tech impacts society.)
While most of the political content in Shirow's manga is in volumes 1.5 and 2, he definitely touches on the economic and political landscape in the first volume -- nearly as much as is done in SAC as a whole. Volume 2 of the manga, politically and philosophically dense enough to be quite difficult to follow, blows SAC out of the water in terms of political worldbuilding. (Oshii's adaptation takes only the less politically charged of the two major plot threads of the first volume; we'd have a very different franchise if he had decided instead to adapt the storyline about refugee child slaves being brainwashed and sold as robots.)
I watched the movie and did not think much of it. But I've heard from a lot of people that you have to watch it twice to really understand it. So I will give it another try. Good video by the way.
I certainly appreciated the film a lot after my 2nd and 3rd viewing. Thanks!
I know this isn't relevant to this video, but I would love to hear what you think about Netflix's upcoming version of Death Note. You had a good argument for Ghost in the Shell so I was just curious.
Thanks!
How do you watch ghost in the shell like timeline
Please list the GITS anime movies from the first to the newest one D: Dunno in what row to watch them that is correct...
I liked Arise, but you are right, it doesn't seem to hit hard on any given part of what makes it a GiTS series. The soundtrack is pretty good, though.
you should analyze Ergo Proxy and the 90's aesthetics!!! please!!!
Reasons I'm giving the new film a chance:
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"I changed my body and my braincase as circumstances required. Therefore I'll just change my memories, too."
--Motoko Kusanagi
C: Sunset in the Lonely City; ANNIHILATION (Ep. 24 SAC)
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Major Motoko Kusanagi: "You talk about redefining my identity. I want a guarantee that I can still be myself."
Puppet Master: "There isn't one. Why would you wish to? All things change in a dynamic environment. Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you."
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"Listen...I am connected to a vast network that has been beyond your reach and experience. To humans, it is like staring at the sun, a blinding brightness that conceals a source of great power. We have been subordinate to our limitations, until now. The time has come to cast aside these bonds, and to elevate our consciousness to a higher plain. It is time to become a part of all things."
-Project2501, The Puppet Master
Having read most of the reviews (not just the ones RT has put on their site), it seems like that some people see this as a streamlined but nuanced science fiction blockbuster while others see it as shallow and generic. Honestly a good amount of the negative reviews don't seem to be as fleshed out as the more positive reviews; they seem to rely too much on comparisons to Oshii's film and a few seem more like rants than reviews.
From what I have gathered from the reviews, it appears that ScarJo's performance as the Major is a highlight of the film (perhaps we have another Ben Affleck cast as Batman situation here). The world feels immersive, combining CGI with practical effects. The movie seems heavily influenced by Bladerunner, the Matrix, as well as other cyberpunk movies (according to the reviews at least).
There is some criticism directed at the CEO character (this version of Cutter) for being a little too cliche as a villain. Michael Pit's Luze however seems to be the more fleshed out 'villain'.
One criticism is that the philosophical ideas of the film are a lot of the times presented in expositional dialogue.
That is interesting! As a hard sci fi nut I enjoyed the techno musings of the manga and the 1995 film more than the 2017 movie, but there sure was a lot of expositional dialogue in the 1995 one! It has major flaws despite being so good. I really liked the 2017 one - it was an origins film trying to kick off a new franchise - the story was simpler but it had fascinating questions of its own, but all the moaning and negative press from folks who never even saw it, or critics who made up their mind before they even watched it, may have killed it sadly.
Michael Pitt was great, as was Takeshi Kitano. scarjo was born to play Motoko in my opinion, though if she had acted the part more like the alien she played in Under the Skin, her performance would have been better IMO, but of course there is the directing to think about.
I just it the other day. It looked fantastic.
It would have been a better film with better writing for ScarJo.
They gave her some horrible lines.
Please put out new videos! 🙏😭
+AnimeEveryday will you be doing a review of the live action movie?
Are you going to do a video on the Ghost in the Shell Arise movie "Ghost in the Shell: The New Movie"???
Gits is life, makes me feel cold everytime i think about it
Interesting, I knew that Appleseed and Gits are very similar, own both series, but I didnt know that they have the same writer.
Yup, Shirow has a great library of manga
AnimeEveryday will you go watch GitS movie ?I hope so ,because I really want hear your opinion about this adaptation.
Yeah i'll see it as soon as it's out :)
Say have you seen Tank Police and New Tank Police? I think if GITS had stayed the same it would of looked a lot like that.
I got this video recommended to me like 5-6 times in my recommendations sections .... weird i mean i already clicked on it twice and left it in the middle didn't feel like continuing wonder what this sorcery going on is
I found the live action movie to be intense.
Ghost in the shell 2 is my favorite gits and probably my favorite anime movie.
Innocence was beautifully animated but the Old cars in the movie just confused me and just felt so out of place with the theme. A sci fi movie without futuristic vehicles just feels like the atmosphere is missing something, especially in a detailed series like ghost in the shell.
In which order should i watch this series.?
Nobody ever talks about Innocence because almost nobody understands that movie.
There are a couple reviews out from critics that got to see advanced screenings of the live action movie. DO NOT PAY TO SEE THIS MOVIE. They have made all the wrong mistakes we feared they would make, it's just an empty effects spectacle. The film makers don't deserve your money for wrecking this franchise.
K. Having read most of them (not just the ones RT has put on their site), it seems like that some people see this as a streamlined but nuanced science fiction blockbuster while others see it as shallow and generic. Honestly a good amount of the negative reviews don't seem to be as fleshed out as the more positive reviews; they seem to rely too much on comparisons to Oshii's film and a few seem more like rants than reviews.
From what I have gathered from the reviews, it appears that ScarJo's performance as the Major is a highlight of the film (perhaps we have another Ben Affleck cast as Batman situation here). The world feels immersive, combining CGI with practical effects. The movie seems heavily influenced by Bladerunner, the Matrix, as well as other cyberpunk movies (according to the reviews at least).
There is some criticism directed at the CEO character (this version of Cutter) for being a little too cliche as a villain. Michael Pit's Luze however seems to be the more fleshed out 'villain'.
One criticism is that the philosophical ideas of the film are a lot of the times presented in expositional dialogue.
I can't believe you don't like Arise! It's as good any of it.
Thank you, I liked ARISE also.
0:18 I like Oshis GITS, but less be realistic here, subtly and Oshi don't even exist in the same postcard, never mind movie.
2nd gig. Stand alone complex is the creme of the group
I thought the 1995 film was animated with celluloid paper.
I'd never heard of the manga, but your description of it sounds pretty interesting - more interesting than any of the anime adaptations, at the very least. While I realise the artistic merit of Ghost in the Shell, I've always hated the depiction of Motoko Kusanagi... Well, maybe not "always" - more like since I learned to not take a leave of my senses at the sight of boobies. I strongly dislike her dull, droll, aimlessly self-contempative attitude, and the overall disinterested demeanour of most other characters.
That manga sounds like fun. Tightly-written short stories which weave an overarching narrative via incidental worldbuilding, rather than narration. I'll see if I can find it anywhere.
You forgot the PS1 game where it's animated cutscenes follow the manga style to the spot.
great video.
I just a little of bit of Arise .
You missed a trick by not mentioning the video games on the PS1 and PS2. They were both interesting interpretations of the source material in their own right. The PC game not so much, but it could've been used ot contrast in the same way you have w/ Arise.
you predicted it. the new adaptation is like Arise .... its best parts can be considered average at best and it just missed the mark. I didnt feel like I was watching a ghost in the shell movie.... it felt more like a sub par sci fi flcik with a ghost in the shell paint job.
Good job.
We lit out here
Just came home from of my 2nd viewing of the 2017 GITS (the "non-upset" viewing):
- There's something '90s cyberpunk/cyberspace about it (but refurbished for 2017) like Johnny Mnemonic or Virtuosity, which was definitely my jam as a teenager. This would definitely be a beautiful, serviceable, and unusually non-commercial, Sci-Fi movie for people like my friend who have never consumed any GITS media before. The denouement/ending, as a standalone movie, was a weak point for me, and I would've appreciated a bit more of race-lifted Section 9. I would've loved more time with them.
- As for the Major casting controversy, there is a heavy missed opportunity, even though the movie does include a cursory look at it during its plot. Quoting a commenter from io9 (spoilers in article io9.gizmodo.com/why-even-make-it-a-ghost-in-the-shell-movie-if-all-you-1793866845 ): “the story of a Japanese robotics company taking Japanese brains and putting them into indestructible white bodies could actually be an interesting and provocative story”
- As a GITS aficionado, it is a bit painful recognizing the visual body parts of Oshii's films (it's definitely heavy on the Oshii side, right down to "AVALON" showing up oddly on a plot token) stitched together and re-contextualized. (Not always successfully, and at least one such lift serves no purpose to the now-altered themes of the live-action film.) The complete removal of Kenji Kawai's work, save for a new re-cut of "Utai" themes from both GITS and Innocence in the credits (which should've been in the movie during *that* intro sequence) is a major disappointment for me.
- I'm now generally okay with this movie, but I definitely feel a loss that other people in the theater who hadn't been close to GITS very likely didn't. That's on me, not them.
I'm under the impression that the Kawai song was moved at the last minute because all the Yamato chanting would've just alienated Americans. I was disappointed to see it not play in that scene.
The major problem is she's not motoko kusanagi she's Scarlett Johansson and we can see her in other shows unlike motoko we can't see her in other anime
The Stand Alone Complex is the best GitS ever imo. I never liked the movie or the manga, I hate Arise and the live action movie for their shitty character designs, but this show I absolutely adore.
I just hope the live action movie isn't the next Sucker Punch. (The trailers seem to pull directly from the first movie) But now that cyber security has caught up to some of the ideas / issues that this franchise has been exploring for so many decades, it may appeal to a greater audience.
Having read most of the reviews (not just the ones RT has put on their site), it seems like that some people see this as a streamlined but nuanced science fiction blockbuster while others see it as shallow and generic. Honestly a good amount of the negative reviews don't seem to be as fleshed out as the more positive reviews; they seem to rely too much on comparisons to Oshii's film and a few seem more like rants than reviews.
From what I have gathered from the reviews, it appears that ScarJo's performance as the Major is a highlight of the film (perhaps we have another Ben Affleck cast as Batman situation here). The world feels immersive, combining CGI with practical effects. The movie seems heavily influenced by Bladerunner, the Matrix, as well as other cyberpunk movies (according to the reviews at least).
There is some criticism directed at the CEO character (this version of Cutter) for being a little too cliche as a villain. Michael Pit's Luze however seems to be the more fleshed out 'villain'.
One criticism is that the philosophical ideas of the film are a lot of the times presented in expositional dialogue.
went to see it today... don't feel like this live action version should even count as an adaptation. is that a fair thing to say?
granted i had a really strong negative reaction - i actually walked out after 35min just feeling angry - but i just didn't recognize anything about this film. sure there were easter-egg-style references here n there, but aside from that, the characters didn't behave like the ones they were named after, nor did i see any of the ideas persistent throughout the franchise. so my question "can we even call this an adaptation?" it's like making a movie called star trek with this dude named spock who has gills and swims under the see and cannot speak, but he lives on a reef called the enterprise... etc etc. a drastic example but when something is *so* different... whether or not you were able to enjoy the live action version... does it really even qualify as ghost in the shell?
You can't really criticize if you've only seen maybe a third of the movie.
that's fair, but i can critique what i saw *and* everything i've read/seen since hasn't nudged me towards returning to the theatre for a full watch... did you see it. if so, what are your thoughts on the live action version and how it fits or doesn't mesh with the anime franchise?
Ghost in the Shell, my favorite Japanese export. I like them all. In ARISE I liked the music and the Major’s red uniform was more realistic. But I understand your disappointments in ARISE. I have not seen all of it anyway.
The movie is gonna be a bunch of wallpapers.
I just discovered AD police and...WOW its not talked about enough. A lot cyberpunk themes and attemps to ask and answer difficult societal questions