@ you can get top 15 on any spec if geared and optimized properly. The average placement is what you look at, to include casual players, LFR/normal/heroic raiders, sub 600 ilvl etc
@@oyunboldboldbaatar5519 arms was VERY strong in cata, decent in mop but its mastery at the time favoured constant, little hits which contradicts arms’ fantasy of big strong heavy slow hits. This led to arms getting a huge overhaul in warlords (as in, they removed Overpower kinda big) and the reception to this rework is almost certainly why they’ve never really touched the spec since. It was also very strong in warlords, it’s just an expansion nobody talks about. IMO arms suffers from either being very strong or very weak with no in between, it also suffers from what I call the “dev evoker effect” where a spec seems very easy but in practice it has extreme nuance that needs to be played around or it’s shit
a very big PLUS for assasination rogue , its the fact that after that "ramp up" of putting dots on the target, you can focus 90% just on mechanics or maybe other range mobs, which maybe other members can't focus on at that moment.. its all about replay dots and envenom and see the power of bleed and poison :) and this is very good when u face hard mecanics , compare to others classes when u need to bee focus on ur dps and mecanics in same time
decided to pick monk for main for s2 , and mw looking great , ww looking great and bw if we could get something new would be great but looking foward to play ww
It just should be modernized like they did with all the tww reworks, in the nutshell it is a great spec, but it’s just si clunky and undertuned it needs a big overhaul
Im so confused about the flip flopping on Ret paladin. A year ago everybody was saying how great the rework is and how fun it is. Now thats suddenly changed?
It was better than previous play and fresh so it felt better But people realized how simple it is. Not a problem for every player but some people want more skill expression with their rotation
Hi. Dumb question from a returning player after 10 years. When a new season start and gear power increases do the T1 sets also have access to the new level increase? Or are T1 stuck at their current level cap for all time?
No such thing as dumb questions my friend. All of the items you get in one season do not increase for the best one , they stay the same with no way of upgrading them, same for all the items. However the ring from siren isle is gonna be a big ilvl so recommend grabbing and upgrading it to max ilvl as it’ll stay usefull for the longest of this season items
@@flashen Unless an averagely skilled Frost Dk enters that pull as well and dishes a comparable overall damage while funneling a shitton of damage into those tankbusters.
The only melee spec that seems viable to me is ww monk as it really pumps and has great versatility and moveability. Which we know in season 2 is crucial with all the mechanics to dodge.
would love to see skullsplitter and ashen juggernaught revomed/ changed to something more engaging. Test of might is also really annoying to play around. why cant Rage spent out of my CD's add strength in my cooldowns instead of after them. Arms needs some love and has needed it for awhile.
I played strictly arms for years. It sucks now! I liked fury when I came back to wow last year but I don’t even play my warrior now. I spend my time on lock hunter shaman pally right now
And speaking of paladin and spell changes and being bland…..divine storm is very lack luster and so is shield of the righteous. Neither feel like they do damage, they just make light
Havoc in A tier... how...? AR feels just awful to play and FS with AMN going away just sucks hard... Havoc needs some love, rn it's just sad (and like one of the worst performing dps in the ptr by far)
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they need to do the same with ret paladins execution sentence, what they have done with sub rogues symbol of death, a buff instead of a debuff...as ret applying a 12sec debuff on a 30sec CD feels terrible, you're locked on to one target almost have of the time, feels terrible, when you need to switch target, reminds a bit of arcane mages and the similar issue with radiant spark...final reckoning needs a huge buff, ES a rework.
@@markuslc1888 what? It’s the exact same mechanic as arcane’s touch of the magi or aug’s breath of eons. If it’s not a problem for them why’s it a problem for you? You just put it on your prio target and do your standard rotation… are you using it properly? Lol
@@flashen they were meta for m+ in DF season 1, they were also strong in DF season 3. Ele sham was also very strong for DF season 3 AND 4 - why are people forgetting this?
I swear m+ has wiped all the fun in the game so basically no class is fun right now with keys being bricked left and right or standing in queue for 2 hours cuz u're not meta. Fun is kinda lost word now.
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Instead of wasting time with MM hunter over and over again they should rework Arms ASAP
Hunter is one of the most played classes in the game so they gotta pay attention to it constantly🙁
@@TooMuchTuna7that’s fair but they have enough devs to at least assign 1 or 2 of them to an Arms rework
Arms is fine, got top 15 world on it
@ you can get top 15 on any spec if geared and optimized properly. The average placement is what you look at, to include casual players, LFR/normal/heroic raiders, sub 600 ilvl etc
Warrior in general needs a rework, it’s so undertuned. Capping aoe at 5 targets was the worst thing they ever did
I like Arms, but I really wish Blizz showed the spec more love.
Arms is the melee version of affliction the specs blizzard gives no fucks about
@@Applesauce55aka the specs that were crazy strong for multiple expansions and they’re now scared to make great again.
@@liamdavies2823Arms has been good like once in legion.
@@oyunboldboldbaatar5519 arms was VERY strong in cata, decent in mop but its mastery at the time favoured constant, little hits which contradicts arms’ fantasy of big strong heavy slow hits. This led to arms getting a huge overhaul in warlords (as in, they removed Overpower kinda big) and the reception to this rework is almost certainly why they’ve never really touched the spec since. It was also very strong in warlords, it’s just an expansion nobody talks about. IMO arms suffers from either being very strong or very weak with no in between, it also suffers from what I call the “dev evoker effect” where a spec seems very easy but in practice it has extreme nuance that needs to be played around or it’s shit
Love the content as always, went Abit nuts with the smoke transition this video XD.
Agree. It's a bit like someone discovered Powerpoint and decided to go nuts with their favorite transition effect.
The transition is awful...
as a druid main, i wont get my hopes up but a kitty can dream
There's me thinking "Damn he must have a lot to say about Arms Wa- Oh."
Crys in Arms since ... a long time.
Oh yeah... so sad.
I stopped playing arms because I was so fed up
The spam spirit of Arms is just dump af
Played it one tier in SL and never again ^^"
Stopped playing warrior in cata, no reason to bring one until they give warrior utility.
a very big PLUS for assasination rogue , its the fact that after that "ramp up" of putting dots on the target, you can focus 90% just on mechanics or maybe other range mobs, which maybe other members can't focus on at that moment.. its all about replay dots and envenom and see the power of bleed and poison :) and this is very good when u face hard mecanics , compare to others classes when u need to bee focus on ur dps and mecanics in same time
That WW animation looks amazing!
I’m excited. I’m a WW monk main, it’s really the only class I can play very well. Can’t wait for season 2!
I wish sweeping strikes was a passive rather than an active ability sharing a shorter gcd.
decided to pick monk for main for s2 , and mw looking great , ww looking great and bw if we could get something new would be great but looking foward to play ww
You’re not gonna regret that, amazing spec, my favourite with enh being a really close second
Your tierlists are the only ones I pay attention too 😊
I feel like any spec that melts is gonna be fun to this guy.
Love Arms I agree it could be even more fun but even as it is now I still enjoy it!👌
Same, love the class but we need some buffs
It just should be modernized like they did with all the tww reworks, in the nutshell it is a great spec, but it’s just si clunky and undertuned it needs a big overhaul
@@Ghust19 agreed
Feral has been one of the worst melee specs since TBC. Its never had a day in the spotlight.
Doesn’t really “shine” in vanilla either tbqh
is that a weakaura or plater for the personal ressource bars? they look nice
Hopefully the changes to the Frost DK tier set mean that the datamined (but unpublished) breath change is going to go live on PTR soon.
How can I get the Combo points attached to the Enemy healthbar??
I'm beginning to suspect these videos are just watching the clock exercises, to see what ends up FOTM each season and is therefore "fun".
Im so confused about the flip flopping on Ret paladin. A year ago everybody was saying how great the rework is and how fun it is. Now thats suddenly changed?
It was better than previous play and fresh so it felt better
But people realized how simple it is. Not a problem for every player but some people want more skill expression with their rotation
Survival is S tier. It is personally more enjoyable to me than Enhancement. It just goes to show how this is all very subjective.
Survival in 11.1 is top fun for me too, it’s almost perfect, hope they don’t touch it more!
Sv hunter is to me a old-school stick shift drifing machine you need to float gears proper on . That's the mist fun to me .
Rest in piece my beloved warrior, we spent so much time together full of hopes, but it´s time to move on. Maybe we meet again one day..
We need update on easy hard ranged melee specs ❤ please
survival hunter opinion is made previous to the latest changes right ?
Hi. Dumb question from a returning player after 10 years. When a new season start and gear power increases do the T1 sets also have access to the new level increase? Or are T1 stuck at their current level cap for all time?
Yes they do not increase in ilvl. The new tier sets in season 2 will replace them at a much higher ilvl.
@benjaminghazi787 thanks for answering. Much appreciated.
No such thing as dumb questions my friend. All of the items you get in one season do not increase for the best one , they stay the same with no way of upgrading them, same for all the items. However the ring from siren isle is gonna be a big ilvl so recommend grabbing and upgrading it to max ilvl as it’ll stay usefull for the longest of this season items
When is the ranged one????
When will the patch be released ?
Not announced yet
Should be around 20 february. The timeways event ends then and her patch rythm is also exactly there.
yooo chill with smoke stuff , love your content
Unholy DK disease build is so underrated in the fun category. Frost just isn’t fun to me, when I tried UH I never looked back. ❤
Am i missing something? I leveled an unholy to 40 and thought it was the most boring spec ever
@Yeah, you aren’t max level. Timewalking isn’t a good way to learn a class.
@@Jake-xn4tr Just hit 80 with it and get into Necrotic Wake and combo the 1st pull. And you'll see why people love Unholy DK
@@flashen Unless an averagely skilled Frost Dk enters that pull as well and dishes a comparable overall damage while funneling a shitton of damage into those tankbusters.
@@polkhigh_33 It's me..
The only melee spec that seems viable to me is ww monk as it really pumps and has great versatility and moveability. Which we know in season 2 is crucial with all the mechanics to dodge.
If they dont rework arms soon they can just remove it... only if i think about slam. They need to give the rest of the love to arms and brewmaster :/
Great video, the smoke transitions are a bit much though
I bet enhance is fun…fucking broken ass damage all season and stays untouched lol
Enhance is fun even without the dmg
@ yeah…but I bet a bunch of people would drop it so damn fast if the damage wasn’t broken.
@@MrJeremydb91 people play a bunch of bad design spec because of dmg, like playing Frost Mage instead of Fire. This isn't something new
I wanna know what weakaura ui that outlaw is using
Arms warrior is so bad, it's entire take was replaced with an AD.
GG you gave worth to it!
what are those nameplate settings
What health/energy WA is that ? :)
Damn. I love Arms the way it is now
Not putting assa in at least “Decently fun” is craaazy. But i get it, its subjective.
I'll always be a Arms warr fan. Its simple, brutal and feels good. But yeah, it lacks some Blizz love
People don't like Arms. Community has been asking for changes for a long time now
fury, arms, mm hunter, they need more pizzaz..animations, flashiness to them
I need a 11.1 delve fun tier list :)
Delves and fun can’t be in the same sentence.
Delves are a stinky chote in the first weeks, that’s it
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Love frost dk tier. So many scythes all over the place.
would love to see skullsplitter and ashen juggernaught revomed/ changed to something more engaging. Test of might is also really annoying to play around. why cant Rage spent out of my CD's add strength in my cooldowns instead of after them. Arms needs some love and has needed it for awhile.
demolish is fucking amazing. love arms
Sweet Ret isn't changing so thats probably my spec.
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I played strictly arms for years. It sucks now! I liked fury when I came back to wow last year but I don’t even play my warrior now. I spend my time on lock hunter shaman pally right now
I thought I was having fun with survival hunter until I leveled my enhance shaman!
And speaking of paladin and spell changes and being bland…..divine storm is very lack luster and so is shield of the righteous. Neither feel like they do damage, they just make light
Survival got cooked in the latest patch. Of course more changes will happen so still need to see.
with got cooked you mean it's bad now?
Havoc in A tier... how...? AR feels just awful to play and FS with AMN going away just sucks hard... Havoc needs some love, rn it's just sad (and like one of the worst performing dps in the ptr by far)
Just fire the team wasting development time just reworking the classes over and over again when most of this expansion's content is recycled.
*Sad Retribution noises*
I'm chain downvoting your video from all my sockpuppets because you made sure to embed the ad in the video so when I went and laid down I would either have to listen to it or get back up.
You fuck with my naptime I fuck with your algorithm.
they need to do the same with ret paladins execution sentence, what they have done with sub rogues symbol of death, a buff instead of a debuff...as ret applying a 12sec debuff on a 30sec CD feels terrible, you're locked on to one target almost have of the time, feels terrible, when you need to switch target, reminds a bit of arcane mages and the similar issue with radiant spark...final reckoning needs a huge buff, ES a rework.
@@markuslc1888 what? It’s the exact same mechanic as arcane’s touch of the magi or aug’s breath of eons. If it’s not a problem for them why’s it a problem for you? You just put it on your prio target and do your standard rotation… are you using it properly? Lol
@liamdavies2823 dude try to read again what i ve wrote, cuz your comment makes 0 sense, comparing ES with breath is complete BS
@@markuslc1888how?? They’re the exact same thing with a different animation! What’s hard about this lol
@liamdavies2823 lol it's not lol
@ how? tell me what's different
Enh Shaman is best.
the smoke animation is super obnoxious ngl
Ret is perfect and your rhetoric of "change it for the sake of change" is fucking poison.
Ret is boring as hell. The only aspect that make Ret a bit interesting is the utility, but this is a Paladin thing.
Go play something else then.
Melee distance is trash. Non are fun. Oh the clumped up mob moved out of range and I can't even see my character.... Stupid blizz
.....after you started whit word like Unholy DK ...and you was somehow .... nevermind but anyway
so arms is a advertisement...
Retribution Paladin might get a rework and a lot of buffs in s2
The smoke animation is annoying, especially with how much it's over used
enchancement op again ? booooring
Yeah let’s pretend like it was dog water for an entire decade
@@krucible9369 They're actually the top dps for an entire season and will be in the next season is criminal
@@flashen they were meta for m+ in DF season 1, they were also strong in DF season 3. Ele sham was also very strong for DF season 3 AND 4 - why are people forgetting this?
Also that weird smoke transition effect is cringe and ugly
what’s the point of doing “most fun” it doesn’t matter we wanna see the meta
Who is “we”? I want the fun list
I too want the fun list. You have Warcraft logs for the meta.
Go look at Warcraft logs then
Okay sweatlord
Bad take lol
Fury better be S tier for fun.
I actually think arms is more fun
I find fury the most boring spec in the game, rotation is so lame
@@Luntrus100same.
Looks cool but I don’t like it
I swear m+ has wiped all the fun in the game so basically no class is fun right now with keys being bricked left and right or standing in queue for 2 hours cuz u're not meta. Fun is kinda lost word now.
Im so sick of waiting an hour to do m+ keys bc i dont play a meta spec
Back in the day we thought LFR killed wow
We were wrong
M+ is what really killed wow