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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Mike Florio and Charean Williams explore the possibility of how the Kirk Cousins tampering could be a factor that enables the Vikings to help draft a QB earlier than they ordinarily would. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #NFL #KirkCousins
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Mike is right to be talking about this because no one else is talking about it when the entire League and media should be
Every team tampers, the league just doesn't bother dealing with it. You think three minutes after it opens, a deal is agreed, no, they obviously talk about it before.
@@jpm.06 yes the teams talk with AGENTS for hours before it opens but players can’t be in contact with staffers, which Kirk has openly admitted to doing at his opening press conference.
@@zpdrsn6315 It's still asinine to think that the teams should swap first round picks for Kirk talking with trainers after his agents already agreed to a deal and he was in his car driving to Atlanta. And teams have never swapped picks for tampering, only lost them
@@gmenu8032 I am not necessarily agreeing with florio on this proposed pick swap but I do think they should be held accountable especially for being so blatant.
@@gmenu8032not true. The Eagles and Cardinals swapped picks in 2023 after Arizona was caught tampering
See Mike flipping the bird to those at 4:51 in the video beat you didn’t think anyone would catch that did you Mike ? 😂 OH so subtle with the flip of the bird as you scratch your forehead . That was a good one ☝️
Kirk wanted to throw one last touchdown for the vikings on the way out!
How about swapping Vikes 23rd pick w Falcons 8th pick???
That would be sweet!!
The Dolphins were found guilty of tampering with Tom Brady, and the Patriots didn't get anything. If the Vikings get a pick swap, then I demand the Patriots get something too. The offense wasn't against the Vikings; it was against the other teams who did not have access to Cousins.
Not going to happen
Man that would be lovely. Picks 8 and pick 11. Would just stay put and make those picks, wouldn’t be smart to trade up and pay too much.
@@pyrohectic7749 y'all need to get outta your delusions they've never done something like that for tampering and they aren't going to start now because a slip or a word. The worst they'd do is take a late round pick from us. Y'all aren't getting anything. What happened affected the Vikings in no way. They weren't going to be able to afford what Kirk wanted and had all the time in the world to resign him. It affected other teams who may have wanted him that's it
I think the punishment should be Atlanta loses its first round draft pick to the Vikings.Then the Vikings would have 8,11 and 23 this draft😊
I like the way you think !!
Never happen
The league will forfeit their picks, never ever give them away. Keep dreaming. Picks wont be forfeited til 2025 draft anyway
@@hookedonfunknics2477 Do you mean they will never give away Atlantas draft picks...Like they did just last year to Philadelphia?
All of the Packers picks should also be given to the Vikings.
Keep pushing the tampering charges Mike. The squeaky wheel gets the grease! Atlanta needs to be punished.
Mad?
we wanted Kirk gone, but if somebody speaks about fight club you get beat. Game is game
What if Darnold is the answer for the Vikings. Then we will have traded 3 1st round picks for a bench warmer. No one wants to talk about how trading these picks will be a foolish approach.
I keep thinking that.
What if they get him on track and he goes all Jared Goff?
Personally, I'd be making an offer to Jacksonville for Trevor Lawrence.
He's been screwed over as bad as Darnold.
A third should get him.
@@usa91787 I'd be happy with Lawrence if it's possible.
@@usa91787
A third for Lawrence?
Did you fall and hit your head?
@@usa91787I think we seen enough to know he isn’t it
If nobody else is talking about it, you know you’ve found a good story.
Or you just found a Vikings fan who's bitter about losing his favorite team's quarterback so he keeps talking nonsense. If the Vikings wanted Kirk Cousins they should have offered him more money. If the Vikings wanted a top 3 pick they should've tanked like the Commanders and Patriots did. They didn't though. This "swapping first round picks" idea is patently stupid. It will never happen and everyone but Florio and Vikings fans know it. Florio keeps saying "what do the Vikings want?" The NFL isn't going to levy any penalty on one team because of what another team wants. Honestly... How stupid can this commentary get? Btw... Athletes say incorrect things all the time. They are athletes. Not linguists. Is that literally the entire basis of Florio's claim of "blatant tampering?" What an athlete said once? How dumb.
@@matthew01234 time to delete this comment?
@@TheKozmoz Of course not. Florio was making asinine suggestions like the Falcons would have to swap their top 8 overall first round pick to the Vikings and his logic behind it was "that's what the Vikings would want." If the Falcons do get any kind of penalty it would be no higher than a 3rd round pick which is basically nothing and would've made tampering worth it if that's in fact what happened. Florio is suggesting all these absurd penalties because he's letting his bias as a Vikings fan seep into his journalism instead of being objective like journalists are supposed to. He said "blatant" tampering based on comments an athlete said once. Whether tampering occured or not that is nowhere near proof of blatant tampering. Could the Falcons have tampered? Sure. I would even go as far to say that they probably did because tampering is rampant throughout the NFL. A comment made one time by an athlete isn't proof of "blatant tampering" by any stretch though. From the reports I've read Cousins may have talked to a trainer exactly 1 day before he was supposed to. A trainer. Not a GM or coach or owner. 1 day early. Not talking for 3 weeks like some people have suggested. Speaking one time to a trainer 1 day early is extremely common in the NFL. The idea that the Falcons would have to swap their top 10 first round pick with the Vikings is totally asinine and Florio is only saying crap like that because he lets his bias as a Vikings fan negatively affect his ability to be objective as a journalist.
@@matthew01234 Some people believe that this is an unprecedented situation considering that Kirk is scheduled to make $180 million and the Vikings were making an attempt to resign Kirk. That’s more money than Jerry Jones paid for the Cowboys. The NFL could make an example out of the Falcons and there could be a severe punishment. QB is the most important position in football and having a trainer meet with a QB to give you a clear medical evaluation gives you a big advantage in knowing what to offer such a player as far as money. I believe you’re ignoring some facts so that you can make a criticism of some good journalism. It will definitely be suspicious if the NFL does not look for a digital footprint to either confirm or deny the tampering allegations. Time will tell.
@@TheKozmoz My point is the Falcons will very obviously be keeping their first round pick. It's only Vikings fans who think there is any chance they won't. I have spoken to a ton of different people about this situation. Most people think the worst possible penalty is something in the third round with others saying it won't be that severe and even some suggesting no penalty at all. The only people who ever even suggest it will be a a first rounder are all *100%* Vikings fans who are just hoping that's the case for no other reason than it is what would help their team the most. Not because it's actually logical to believe such a thing. That's all Florio is doing. Hoping the Vikings get the #8 pick because he's a Vikings fan but then throwing it out there like it's realistic. That's not "good journalism." That's compromised and biased journalism which is the exact opposite of good journalism.
An 8 11 swap for tampering is some of that GOOD copium
Minnesota has a 3rd overall pick on the roster named Sam Darnold.
No one knows if any of the college quarterbacks in this draft will be as good as Darnold.
And nobody knows if Darnold will be as good as the top QBs in the draft this year.
@@excellent_name The assumption is that he won't be, but he is talented and has experience and is in a new situation, after being in bad situations.
lol gtfoh. Darnold has been in the league for 7 years and he's been on 4 different teams. He's trash.
@@darkstark1949 The Niners don't know anything about NFL quarterbacks. And the Vikings are just as stupid. But you are the best!
Your take is exactly why I think the Vikings are perfectly fine with just sticking and picking to see if one of the top 4 drops to them... heck they may even wait until #23 to select a QB. Darnold is a wild card here and this all depends on how high the Vikings are on him. I think he is going to surprise a BUNCH of people. The tools he has compares to any of the top QBs in the draft. He's just had the crappy luck of being stuck on a couple crappy teams with crappy defensive minded head coaches. He got some good coaching last year in SF and will get more good coaching this year in Minn. He will show why he was a #3 overall pick.
Charean needs a line up, bro. That haircut is wild
It's a middle-aged woman haircut.
LOL that helmet is funny
It's her hair and has nothing to do with you, so don't tell her what to do with it
I thought Peter King had a sex change.
@@alexmalt LMAO - don't rule it out
I’m not saying the owner of the Falcons “tampered” but during his press conference I think he said, “We’re looking for a veteran who can come in and can hit the ground running. Now if he’s been injured with, say, an Achilles tear, it’s OK if he’s had time to heal. But we want a QB who wants to be here, has excellent stats, and preferably has family in the area to help his transition to the Atlanta Falcons, a truly-storied franchise.” I don’t think there’s any tampering there, Florio.
They admitted that the player had direct contact with the coaches and staff during the "legal tampering period" when all contact is to be between the agent and the team. It's textbook tampering.
@@lukedornbush4300 I think the original comment was satire lol
@@lukedornbush4300 The only thing unusual about how Kirk signed was how he mentioned he was talking to trainers *one* day too early. It's clear that Cousins had already decided to go to Atlanta at that point because he literally mentioned talking to staff while in the car driving down to Atlanta. It's pretty clear that everyone in the league "tampers" to some degree, how else would players sign minutes after free agency starts? This should be a fine for the team at most, and there is no way the punishment will be swapping picks. The punishments for tampering in the past have always been losing picks, not swapping them
Atlanta being punished won't lead a pick being given to the vikings. Atl will just lose the pick flat out. Also probably won't happen until 2025. But since this is such a big deal to florio I'm going to personally troll vikings fans for the rest of my life. This fan base is Crying so hard
we wanted Kirk gone, but if somebody speaks about fight club you get beat. Game is game
It would be fairer to the whole League if the Falcons had their 1st round pick moved to #32, so that way everyone moves up one spot, and the League have set a precedent for similar infractions in the future.
Why should the league get rewarded? The Vikings are the ones that had exclusive rights to talk to him until a certain set time. The Vikings are the ones that should get rewarded for the tampering.
Atlanta has already been punished. They signed a 36 year old Kirk Cousins with a torn Achilles to a 150 mil deal. Good luck with that! I'm sure he will throw a check-down pass on 4th and a mile in the playoffs for the Falcons too. 💀
Kirk cousins is the man
@@thedungeon1288 He's the man.....as they draft Penix....without telling Kirk. 🤣
This is a painful video
Right
Yes everyone tampers but the first rule of tampering club is don't talk about tampering club. Kirk is such a clown.
First rule about fight Club Don't talk about fight club and Kirk broke it
Mike you talk TOO LONG...it;s BORING and Disrespectful to Charean and Myles...MAKE THE POINT we know you're smart
Mike loves himself some mike
Good stuff!
Vikings should be compensated for the tampering of Cousins by the Falcons.
They should swap picks in the first round. Vikings get Falcons #8 and Falcons get Vikings #11. Vikings also get the Falcons 3rd rounder #79, which the Falcons got from Jacksonville. That seems fair 😮
As a LIONS FAN:
I LOVED YOUR AARON RODGERS COMMENT! You know the Lions made him leave the NFC NORTH and go into seclusion in a DARK ROOM! He even did #2 in the dark! HE COULDA GOTTEN PINK EYE 👁️!!!
Aaron Rodgers > Mike Florio
What's this pick swap, chiefs gave 3rd and 6th. Maclin Dolphins gave up 1st and 3rd for Brady and payton guys they didn't even sign, Patriots gave up a 1st for Bill. It should at least be 1st rd pick.
We all know that the league and most commentators hate the Vikings for some reason. So don't be surprised if MIN actually gets screwed and nothing happens to ATL
Eagles and Falcons both tampered and they both need to be punished for it
Florio needs to shut up about rodgers fr😂
Amen.
He's getting his brownie points like a jimmy kimmel
#8 Overall sounds like a deal
At 3:00 minutes: wow Cherene what a great take. Your vast football knowledge really showed through there Jesus Christ this is insanity
So to clarify for those thinking he was saying the table was set by the the Eagles and Cardinals picks. The Eagles and the Cards swapped 3rds not 1sts. That is much more likely to happen here than 1st swaps. Thats drastically different conversations. At most it's Atlanta surrenders their first, at minimum its a late round swap or nothing...likely it will be somewhere in between those two options.
Mike, your story on Rodgers shows you're opinion is basic and falls in line w group think
Please use this woman in place of Chris Simms 100% of the time. Please.
The difference is Sam Bradford was very good that season (until injury). The chances that the vikes' QB pick is as good as Sam B or Kirk is not good especially this year.
Mike Florio and Kirk Cousins is like a guy who wanted to break up with his girlfriend, but is too chicken to. Then she dumps him and immediately gets engaged to the next guy. Now bro is like... did I mess up? And how long has she been talking with other dude...
You left out the part where the guy calls the cops because he saw them jaywalking.
Miami didn't give any picks to the Pats for tampering with Tom Brady. Think you are reaching a bit since there's really zero precedent for giving a pick to the team who lost a player who was tampered with. Especially when considering the player wasn't staying anyways.
I DEMAND Roger Goodell to give the Vikings pick 8 via the Falcons as reparations.
If your team don’t give a s-t, I say the NFL must acquit!
😂 this was great
Goodell = I can't think of a high profile investigation he did that had integrity .. He must be really good at listening sympathetically to owners/complain on phone calls for hours ... Cuz he sucks as commish.
The fairest thing to all teams would be to move Atlanta's first round pick (8) to the bottom of the first round.
I'm still trying to find out what the FALCONS did Kirk said he called them they didn't reach out
I watched the Cousin's press conference you mentioned and am having trouble understanding "blatant tampering by the Falcons". He doesn't mention the Falcons ever calling him, only him calling the Falcons. What if, let's say, there is a record of a 10 minute call between Cousins and Flowery Branch? And the receptionist reports in an affidavit that after answering the phone Mr. Cousins was put on hold and 10 minutes later someone picks up and says "I'm sorry Mr. Cousins, please communicate any questions or concerns through your agent. Have a nice day!" None of that is against the rules. It would only be an issue if the Falcons called Cousins and talked for 10 minutes. There have already been statements given by Cousins and the Falcons reporting he was embellishing a great deal during the press conference out of excitement and a desire to praise the staff of his new organization. And the Mooney phone call was Kirk's own decision after learning about the Falcon's interest though his agent. None of that is against the rules either. You sure 'blatant' is the right word?
Funny thing is the Vikings didn’t even want to resign Kirk lol
Why does everybody have all this faith that KOC can fix QB's?? When Cousins got injured KOC wasn't even bright enough to adjust the offense to fit an athletic mobile QB ( Dobbs / Hall ). He forced them to play with a game plan for a pocket passer which neither is. KOC has absolutely record of fixing QB's, I just don't see it.
Eagles and Cardinals only swapped third round picks for the Johnathan Gannon Tampering.
Mike being Mike..
Unfortunately the NFL won’t announce anything until day of draft
The boos that Goodell is gonna get will be historic.
I'm a Jets fan and I find the "delicate genius" stray hilarious
If they really want to fix the problem it needs to be more severe.
Say eight for the third rounder or so .... Otherwise not much of a deterrent for all teams.
This is a whole lot about nothing. The Vikings were never going to offer Cousins a competitive guaranteed contract for three years.
So what difference does it really make. Cousins was still going to end up in Atlanta. Minnesota was not even in the conversation.
The nfl is not going to do anything,they don’t want negative publicity
they should get 8 from atlanta
The idea of "legal tampering" itself is dumb. Lol, the Vikings are not "Victims"😂
Vikes cannot trade 3 #1's for a QB...if you can get done for 11 and 23...all in....but cannot give up next yr's #1
Vikings fans in this comment section really are drinking the kool aid... y'all aren't getting Atlantas first round pick AND keeping your picks. Y'all aren't swapping the 8th for the 23rd. And the ones that are complaining about tampering are the same ones who were ready to see kirk go. Whatever you're smoking, Vikings fans, stop. You sound delusional. Florio... you stirred this garbage up from the start, as a Vikings fan yourself. You're just bitter you have to see Sam Darnold as your qb this year and have to start over in the draft at qb. Grow up and get off it already. It happened. Move on.
Did you just flip us off, Florio?? 🤣🤣
MINNESOTA is small market...we get screwed ...generally, without lube....😮 NFL will sweep unless this becomes a major media event...
Why would the NFL do a pick swap? If anything they would just take picks away from Atlanta. Kirk was about to be a UFA, there is absolutely no reason to expect compensation for the Vikings.
Because they did a pick swap between Arizona and Philly last year so there is precedence
@@robertharrie4513 That was a totally different situation involving a coach being contacted when he was about to be the DC in a Superbowl so his season was still ongoing. The situation with Kirk happened after the season was over with the expectation of him about to be a UFA. There is no comparison here. I'd also point out the Cardinals/Eagles situation (which was a bigger deal than this) only resulted in a third round pick swap and a fifth going to the eagles, not a first round pick swap. Florio is being ludicrous with his analysis here.
What do you base the Cardinals-Eagles situation as being bigger? Solely because it was before a game? You state your opinion like it’s fact.
I don’t think they’ll do anything, but if they do the swap I would guess it likely to be similar to the Arizona-Philadelphia switch: Minnesota’s 5th for Atlanta’s 3rd. Can’t see the league messing with the first round.
@@ThomasR-ez1fs Being under contract for future service for your current employer vs. not being under contract for future service for your current employer is an objectively massively different situation. Him making this comparison is just his copium as a Vikings fan.
8 and 11? How about 8 and 23?
YES I like it...Swapping 8 and 11,, is a very small punishment.
They won’t do a damn thing. They don’t care because the Vikings and Falcons aren’t the Giants or Jets.
this is so stupid. falcons didnt reach out to him. cousins reached out to falcons. completley nothing wrong with that
There's absolutely no way the NFL would do a 1st round pick swap. The Vikings would be lucky to get anything higher than a 4th round pick.
Wat did they do to be considered tampering?
Or they could just not pick a QB this year. They could just wait until next year and pick up a QB or two in the later rounds.
Falcons fan here - honestly the falcons should be pretty okay with swapping 8 for 11, they are taking an edge rusher (for the love of god i hope) the Bears won't take a pass rusher at 9, and neither will the Jets at 10. If they really want to punish the falcons they should swap 8 for 23
The Eagles/Cardinals settlement was worth 99 points on the draft value chart and it was a way more serious case. They contacted an active coach a week before the Super Bowl. I don't see how this can be anything different than late round picks.
Tampering with a franchise QB is equally as significant as tampering with a HC……
Everything Aaron Rodgers said was true.
Mike suffers from serious TDS and can’t handle anyone that questions the failings of the current administration
If he's that good roll with Sam and beef up the team
LET IT GO FLORIO
I used to have a lot of respect for you, but this is a new low, even for a Vikings fan. Why not give all of Falcons draft picks to the Vikings. Stop doing drugs Florio...
I’m an ATL fan, and even I can acknowledge we should be punished for this blatant tampering lmao
Great disguise 🤡
That’s weird 🤦🏾♂️
@@Anti-Ignorance I was born in Atlanta, still live here. Not sure what to tell ya lol
@@Dnasty0118 why?
Screw Aaron Rodger’s! He’s the MTG of football. The sooner he’s out of the league, the better.
Or you just found a Vikings fan who's bitter about losing his favorite team's quarterback so he keeps talking nonsense. If the Vikings wanted Kirk Cousins they should have offered him more money. If the Vikings wanted a top 3 pick they should've tanked like the Commanders and Patriots did. They didn't though. This "swapping first round picks" idea is patently stupid. It will never happen and everyone but Florio and Vikings fans know it. Florio keeps saying "what do the Vikings want?" The NFL isn't going to levy any penalty on one team because of what another team wants. Honestly... How stupid can this commentary get? Btw... Athletes say incorrect things all the time. They are athletes. Not linguists. Is that literally the entire basis of Florio's claim of "blatant tampering?" What an athlete said once? How dumb.
Turns out Aaron Rodgers was right. About a lot.
The league will not make ANY pick swaps or give aways. They will forfeit the picks. Keep dreaming all
If O’Connell is that good, why not do it with Darnold
He will the 1st year. Rookie will not start until the wheels really fall off.
Or Jarren Hall
A pick swap still gets Atlanta there top pass rusher that’s not a real punishment
Yeah but...we wouldn't have to give up so much too get the 3rd overall pick for Drake May
What was allegedly done for these tampering charges to be claimed? Appreciate someone taking the time to let me know. Sincerely outve the loop on this. Lots going on in the world, figure I’d take a mini break and peek into the nfl world. Thanks
I would like to know as well. Wasn't Cousins a free agent and no longer under contract with the Vikings? If so, why would Minnesota be compensated?
This is usually about sports but his opening statement is something i reject ..a soul mate is not a spouse ..and proximity is a factor only if u decide to marry the first thing that likes u after high school 🤷🏿♂️
The NFL always screws the Vikes.
I feel like our pics are too close they should just have to give us the number 8 pick if you want to mess around and find out sometimes you lose😮
Stupid Vikings, should have taken the Bears sloppy seconds. Have fun watching your team buried for the next 5 years Florio 😂😂😂.
Great analysis. I disagree about the timing of the penalty. If I’m Kwesi, I want to know as soon as possible in order to package a more attractive offer to reach #3 or #4 before the draft. A pick before #5 ensures JD, DM, or JJ. Waiting until pick #8 does nothing toward leveraging a better offer for that pick.
8th for 23rd sounds good
If koc can make any qb good then stick and pick and play darnold for a year
So what should Vikings be offering WAS for 2? 11,23,2025R1,2026R1?
In Rich Hill Trade Value Points, this is 717 for (358+245+121+56=780)
And if Vikings can flip 11 to 8, should they offer 8,23, 2025R1 for 2?
In Rich Hill Trade value points, this is 717 for (406+245+121=772)
If you were Vikings, would you do this?
If you were WAS would you accept this?
I am hopeful you will have at least a short vid in which you and perhaps a guest ask this question.
I have watched the Vikings channels and the fans seem willing.
I have watched the WAS channels and the fans are all into QB QB QB QB and ignoring OT OT, which WAS did NOT address in FA.
With an 8 WAS could draft an OT and have capital left to draft another good OT. I see this as much more transforming than finding a blade of grass QB better at running for his life.
Sounds like the Vikings/Falcons should lose their 1st rd pick.
This whole narrative that the Bills NEED to take a WR in the first round is going to benefit the Bills.
If you cant be… with the one you love… love the one you’re with!
Dont dmca me
Viking fan crying. He was saying the packers had to cut Aaron Rodgers the year he broke his collarbone. If u wanted Kirk back that bad should signed him instead of letting him be a lame duck.
The Vikings fan’s who are sad Kirk walked are by far the minority of the fan base we are just asking the nfl to enforce rules that where blatantly broken.
Never going to happen,because every team tampers ,if the league doesn’t like it the could void the deal.
They can’t even say for sure his Achilles will heal right and gave him 150 mil at 36 years old. What could go wrong.
She looks so annoyed w Florio 😂
Every team tampers, the league just doesn't bother dealing with it. Realistically this didn't effect vikings opinion on kirk. They were going to get rid of him either way
they made offers to him
@@robanderson5921 Every one speeds in their cars,,so lets NOT give out speeding tickets when we have Radar evidence of someone going FAR over the limit. Just do what you want despite the rules...no problem...
Everyone bends the rules. Not everyone blatantly breaks them
The NFL does punish for this. Ask Miami who is not getting all their picks this year.
We want Daniels
This better happen
Capppp 😂, he is just a Vikings fan and mad he left.
Minnesota didn't want to pay him, get over it!
Conspiracist Mike with his tinfoil hat trying to get his vikings to swap picks with ATL just delusional
Vikings wanted to start-over. The org could have re-signed before Free Agency
To me I think there are only three QBs in this draft that have a chance at greatness: Caleb, Jayden and JJ. After that it’s pretty dubious and some team will give up huge draft capital to acquire Drake, who throws ducks like his name, fittingly. So I think the Vikings might have to be in at least the top-four picks to have a shot. I haven’t looked at draft order for awhile but one-two is almost surely Caleb-Jayden - I actually think Jayden is the best pure passer in this draft myself - but I can’t remember who goes three. But if I’m that third team I’m talking with the Vikings GM right now to get his first-born child and rob his future drafts too. (I think Sharean is misfiring here talking about Purdy. Purdy just happened to be a really good quarterback who, for some reason, was vastly underrated. Lightning doesn’t always strike twice. I mean, you saw it with Tom Brady and you saw it with Purdy but it’s a rare event. It doesn’t mean it happens this draft too.)
See if you can find a 4 year starter if you can't get a Gucci top of the draft/QB. 4 year starter= Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy.
For Charean to mention, Kyle Shanahan molding Brock Purdy into a competent quarterback as a joke. That’s nothing but dumb luck and hard work on Brock’s part. He’s turned into a very good quarterback, but don’t sit here and say that that can be replicated when it’s never happened before. Stupid
Vikings already got their compensation: Cousins is gone!