wdym by not getting caught sooner? from nonviewer perspective (me), the only thing that warrant her termination was meeting secretly with her viewer and getting thousand of dollars. As it was a backdeal and idol can't get a cut of that thousand of dollars, additionally there are transaction involve hence it can become prositution.
@@wahh403 I don’t even know where to begin and I highly suggest you look more into it if you are really curious but tldr she was previously married and her ex basically was forced to come out and say how horrible of a person she was.
@@wahh403turns out she WAS (supposedly) married to mafumafu, and he released a statement describing her abusive and crazy behaviour towards him It's not confirmed that it's her, but like... it's her
@@hibilbo4755 And now she has responded so yes, she was married to Mafumafu, despite the initial denials of any relationship at all. Of course, she denied all that he said about her being a controlling and abusive partner. At this point, at least one of them is lying about how their relationship was.
U forgot to mention the iconic shindo ratio, this guy gets accepted into niji, debuts, four days later terminated. The reason of terminated was that he had a past history of sexual harassment and he has made inappropriate comments about a current nijisanji member, a true termination speedrun
Unfortunately cut him from the vid due to time constraints but I threw a *very* short mention of his speedrun at the end. Thanks for your comment and info!
@@maryam-nusait also happen during 2019, the year where nijisanji pumped out 43 talents, so yeah thats what you get for focusing on quantity over quality.
@@ayotaledoI think what also speed up the termination was that fact that his inappropriate comments were directed towards Himawari, one of the most popular female talents under niji and a good friend of kuzuha, so yea raito ain’t going anywhere with that record on him 💀
I watched the riro shit in high res confusion. There were so many people who were defending her, saying that she wasn’t in the wrong at all. Even when she absolutely was- lmao. Idol W, riro F
Riro did "nothing wrong" in that "every other termination is a result of colossal miscommunication between company and talent" whereas this one is just... this girl doing shit that'd get you kicked out of any company, y'know? Like, as a "Riro Defender", she absolutely deserved to be removed from idol, it's just such a human happening. Humans can make unbelievably stupid mistakes that take their entire lives to bounce back from. I don't think this is one of those life-rending mistakes. I just think it's sad and she needs real support, because what she was getting wasn't working for anyone
I don't think sleeping with your own fans is defensible. If anything that is a HUGE no for multiple reasons, a massive risk to the VTubers irl safety being one.
@@KinotheHedgehog 1) she never did. intended to, possibly (that could be a really off-color joke, but it's fair enough to treat it as real), but never did 2) she had already accepted a thousand dollars worth of stuff from some IRL fan she went and met (this is just as scary to me as the sex solicitation), and idol never specified intimate relations with one, something you would assume would come up in the notice if it did 3) her manager covering for her at every step is so much more egregious, its your job to stop this shit and instead you tried to "have a secretive relationship with her" (i am interpreting this as having him hide her antics rather than fucking her but it could be anywhere on that spectrum), like Riro did suspicious shit but having the person who's supposed to keep her in line endorse her is a tragedy
Riro's situation is simultaneously hilarious because it's so absurd and sad because she definitely has some serious issues she needs a therapist to deal with but instead she's using drugs and the attention she gets online to self medicate and if she doesn't get help IRL she's gonna get into some life threatening trouble
People don’t realize getting into agencies that this is at the end of the day another job. You have to be mindful what you say or do because if you end up pissing off management you can get the boot.
Going indie as an entertainer/streamer makes way more sense. The only benefit from agencies is exposure, but that's something you can grow organically or via other means.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v but that's the hardest part being indie some indie may find success or get decent view but many of them didn't find enough view they graduate in 1-2 year tho
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v not quite true. Agencies also help with funding and managing projects. Those types of things can be quite a bit of an undertaking, especially if the talent has no experience with it, so working with an Agency to handle it for you so you can focus primarily on streaming can be immensely helpful.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v True, but fame n exposure takes infinitely more time n effort as an indie, also a lot of luck, so thats the trade off. And not just expoxure, a team to manage ur schedule, ur equipment, ur connections, ur community, ur merchs, etc etc. Being in an agency offers a lot, but it also requires a lot from u
I was waiting for the Shindo Raito mention. It’s so hard to find info on his situation, but he basically had bad intentions from the beginning, and him actually getting through to the point of debuting is kind of alarming.
that was such a speed-run graduation its outright funny... also proves why its important to have several interviews and background checks befure debuting anyone.
Na, Rushia isn't sad at all because it was literally her own fault she got terminated, she got too scared about people thinking she's dating MafuMafu that she got nothing better to do than to give full access of her working Discord channel to a literally dramatuber without realizing she might be damaging others if the person had bad intention. Literally she only had to stay away from her computer and phone since Cover was doing everything to avoid drama but nah, she had to mess up everything and people still think she didn't deserve the termination or that she's fully innocent for what happened
@@CallMeG99its actually sad because she did shoot her own foot after being the most successful Holovt at the time. She mentally broke down, she was as parasocial to her fans as her fans were to her.
@@someguy3263 But she fostered that type of relationship Not saying its her fault but it comes with the territory and how she acted with fans attracted a certain type of viewer.
I think both “her own actions and impulses causes her downfall (as well as culminating a parasocial fanbase)” and “With the overwhelming harassment, threats, and lies from a single pop-up, Rushia was harmed and unfortunately had a mental breakdown” can be true given what happened
Especially in the case of RIro Ron, as Idol was in a lose lose situation with that one especially if it was actually the lead manager that got fired that she was in a secretive relationship with. And even then there were a lot of Americans that don't understand how power dynamics work or why that was so bad in the first place and why it was a legitimate reason to fire both the head/lead manager -(tittles are confusing in workplaces a lot of the times)- and her alone. Hell even if it was not the head manager if it was one that could grant her perms that would be bad enough to warrant for both being fired
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena didn’t help that idol already claimed they wanted to be a transparent company so if they held back it could’ve ended slightly worse
@@Bpaz19 Well some things they don't really need to be open about like Riro's previous account before joining Idol. As that is not a good look for them
@@_em4042 he is already married (implied to be to the person behind rushia/nazuna/mikeneko) and is getting a divorce due to abuse from her, cheating on him and in general being an awful person. though everything is not official yet
When i first found out about Chris, i could only think about how an adult ass man was taking advantage of a minor with aspirations and she likely didnt know the consequences of what he wanted. Bc she was. Yknow. A *teenager.*
That thing might have been false. There's no evidence that the person claiming to be her manager actually went to the police, and didn't had any serious pause in online activity, also that person seemed more like your bogstandard fan who likely didn't like a certain person.
When i first found out about her a few years ago that was my fitrst thought, but then i realised, this wouldn't have happened if she had returned the money, instead because she didn't return the money as the guy had asked she is just as bad as he was - taking advantage of a man for personal gain. they were both as bad as each other
@@herozero8809 call me crazy but i think if a child realizes they're being SAed and wants to cut off a relationship, the 30yo man shouldn't have doxxed her. She shouldn't need to return anything.
Kaguya Luna seems to experience a similar condition, maybe. A teenager behind the rising content creator, Pmaru (2017), called to fill the role of Kaguya Luna. Works in big city with adult ass man and some contracts that a teenager couldn't understand fully. These adults took advantage of her, carrying out activities that were not in accordance with the contract, she was stuck there for up to 2 years, with the intensity of his activities decreasing, eventhough her content was refreshingly creative at that time. She wanted to do many things, but the adults always rejected her. And she tried uploading in her old persona channel, Pmaru, doing what she wanted. A year later she made her 3D debut, told her fans what happened on Twitter and on one of the pages in his fanbook. Now she is happy doing what she wants without pressure from these adults. She isnt called herself vtuber tho. She starts from doing cover songs, drawings, creating anime skits, and such. "A content creator" would be best fit to describe her.
The ironic thing is Mafumafu had texted her that message because she kept accusing him of cheating on her and Rushia would get mad when he wouldn’t reply to her messages. He texted her that messages to “calm her nerves” and that was what sparked all the rumors in the first place. Basically she shot herself in the foot.💀
Wildest part of this is Mel is the one they brought in to replace Hitomi Chris when she got terminated pre-debut, one could say that spot in 1st gen is cursed... Edit: Ok I worded that poorly, Mel who debuted before the rest of Gen 1 (and likely wasn't intended to be part of that Gen originally) was added to the roster of Gen 1 in the wake of Chris's termination to fill out the 5 member group dynamic. It all happened so early on that she's been with the Gen the entire time, so no one really considers her an "addition" (and rightfully so).
You know what I fear for Riro If she comes back the people who will follow her will follow her because of "based" These people will just then encourage such behaviour and then when she spirals , Will they be there for her? No simply because they NEVER actually cared for her . And I fear that will end up poorly for her. And before people say she did nothing wrong She was abusing controlled substances Yes it was only sleeping pills but guess what every drug there is has instructions why? Because they can have negative effects especially when not taken correctly Also Imagine if the fan she met was not upstanding, THAT could of ended up in numerous of horrible ways NOT just for her but for her colleagues To all the people saying they care for her, If you believe she did nothing wrong , you never did , or you would care that she was potentially harming herself.
Don’t know this girl but heard about what stupid crap she did and it’s disgusting she gets away with some of it yes she deserved to get fired but the fact she refuses to learn it was her fault and deflect, she’s only going to f up her life more.
@@isaac14ac From what I have learned she was taking sleeping pills more recreationally and quite depressed before she joined Idol She got better as she took a break then she joined Idol I'm not going to condemn her It seems to me that she does not handle popularity well.
Given the circumstances, she’s VERY lucky she can at least bounce back. If the fans met were in any way intrusive, she’d be in any more trouble. Hopefully it’s a learning experience and not a “I can get even crazier” type of scenario
I remember the Rushia debacle going down as someone who was more into Mafumafu and has been for a decade by now. My reaction to those rumors was a genuine “who cares” because *Mafumafu is in his 30s.* He is fully allowed to date at that age. Edit: Well he _was_ married to her :/ I can’t say I’m happy for him because of what he dealt with and I only hope that he can recover from the situation. I’m happy he got out of it. A majority of fans are supporting him right now rather than honing in on the fact that he was married so I’m happy to see that.
@@leandroiuki4337 we don’t know for sure if Mafumafu is single since he keeps his private life private (as he should, knowing his fanbase and being in it for so long tbh)
@@noidolsnolife6373 my point was that if he’s in his 30s and he wants to get married he should be allowed to. Some of the fans need to settle down about it and let him live his life.
@@azraelllllno, i totally understand your point. the logic is completely valid and i agree with it. however idol culture is insane in japan and it's highly unlikely any idol fan will truly ever settle down in regards to their oshi having a love life
@@reimasashiDidn’t yugo get graduated and not terminated? I’m not really sure though since a lot of people at the time said that it was put behind the words of “graduation”
@@mezenihello the announcement called it a graduation, plus it is up to the graduating (not terminated) streamers if they want to hold a graduation stream and in what form would they like their channel to be left (everything privated, selected videos left or everything left) While I feel like Yugo's graduation was on a messier side, both sides not really satisfied with how things ended up, I'm pretty sure the person behind Yugo agreed to leave the company (we don't know if the idea about leaving came from them or the company) and wasn't fired - it was "yeah, things aren't working out, let's part ways" and not "get out, you're too much of a problem" like Zaion's termination for example
With Zaion post-termination, I've seen opinions stretching between "she was the start of the NijiEN fall" to "she proves this or that about Niji's hiring policies, and she's manipulative about public opinion". But having watched Zaion's roommate off and on for a while now post-termination, while those off-color jokes were really poor taste and definitely a mistake, I can safely say she pretty much just wasn't a good fit for Niji's (and Japanese corporate media culture in general) extreme image focus. She's more free-spirited like what indies can get away instead of PR-focused like what most corps want, but she seems to get along with the EN indie sphere well.
So quick update on the Rushia and Mafumafu situation that came to light a few days ago, they were married when the scandal happened and apparently Rushia was abusive to Mafu, and now they're going to court
i also heard that rushia had killed or abused (i forgot which one) mafu's blind cat i hope everything goes in mafu's favor. The worst part is that there's still some crazy rushia fans defending her behavior...
I was wondering why people said "not another japanese vtuber with male and female blah blah" and I was just sitting like a fat cat pondering "wtf are they talking bout?" bruh, it was mafumafu. thank you for the video, the internet is wild and people should stop being more chronically online than me.
@Thepotatogoddess I will preface this by saying I do not believe he was intentionally acting maliciously. However, he has on multiple occasions given out incorrect information in his videos(usually, but not always minor things), including at least one time spreading an outright known fabrication about a vtuber(Hitomi Chris).
I would like to add, Nousagi has been known for posting actual info about vtubers on his paid patreon (one archive on kemono still has it). Yes its equal to selling irl info about talents (even their relatives too). Dude could know a lot/ good at digging stuff but for his intentions, is debatable.
@@yuyutoptyep. That basically made him public enemy number 1 of the vtuber community especially the holo community. How thick skinned would one be to make a documentary about a talent's struggles BEFORE they joined the agency and putting it in their patreon especially when it involves showing their real face and activities? The only ones watching him are clueless new vtuber fans that doesn't know about this.
bro i feel so bad for mafumafu, i hope everything goes in his favor in court... and then there's the crazy Rushia stans that are still defending her disgusting behavior
@@Az4le.a Honestly, blowing this up in public, and yes I know there was a tabloid story that was going to spill it anyway, makes me skeptical of mafumafu's intentions. Probably because following Trump's trials makes me think he wants to win public sympathy even if the court rules against him.
Rushia's termination was... crazy, hilarious, ironic, and tragic coincidence at the same time. I mean, *Russia invaded Ukraine when Cover kicked Rushia from Hololive.* I can imagine the non-vtuber viewers got confused at the twitter trending topics, wondering why people supported Russia's aggresion towards Ukraine. 🗿
Listen, I'm a CSA and rape victim and I just can't think good about Sayu/Zaion ever. She's not a monster but the things she said will always make me view her in a bad light.
Its why I can't stand when people defend her like "oh she's just edgy she's just got a dark sense of humour I still think she's funny" blablabla like hex has made comments about his own trauma with SA and she's in the same group as him. I don't care what kind of humour you have you do not say shit like that especially if one of your co workers has a history with it. Obviously she's not an evil person but that's pretty unforgivable
That’s what I hate when people say “there was a massive shift in Zaion’s favor when her exposé came out” like no?? Some of us still think she’s terrible and we know that whether or not Niji wronged her she still deserved what she got because she says and believes horrible things
100% valid. In an old tiktok of mine I mention the jokes making me mad uncomfortable too. People will have their views, and objectively things are very divided with the fanbase (with mfs saying based and what not), but she’ll have to hold those consequences
@@brodstarpadpen6949Hex the hypocrite is the least to wine about an unfinished rape joke when he likes untagged selfies of his own fans and how do we want to know if he even told or confronted Zaion about it? The fact he unprofessionaly sended his parasocial fanbase after her, while she got harassed and hard doxxed was an absolut no go. He gave antis ammo to the point where she could have legitemately died and for what? A petty joke he couldnt take and have to wine about to thousands of people on the internet with single to no little care that Zaions life was endangered.
@@FantasiephilosophRaku She said on multiple occasions she was attracted to little boys. Not just a one off joke. Parasocial fans isn't because of Hex. It's a problem with vtubers in general, given it derives from idol culture. Hex didn't tell his fans to harass, dox or threaten her. I'm sure he even specifically said to not harass her as much as he could given that he's a corpo RUclipsr and it depends on how much the company allows him to speak up. Him saying that he is a victim is not giving auntie's ammo to harass and attack her It is him speaking about why it personally affected him more emotionally, given what she was called out for.
I enjoy watching Vtubers, and I dont care how people spend their hard-earned money, but man, seeing some of the enraged posts from parasocials saying that they spent $2k on superchats is really just sad to me. I hope they're at least software devs or engineers with expendable income, but I imagine a number of them probably get so deep into it that they end up not being able to afford rent because of their suspension of disbelief that an anime girl streamer is not actually their lover.
it's even more fucked up ESPECIALLY if she was a minor. imagine if you were 15-16 and in order to achieve your dream you had to date some random dude likely YEARS older than you??? it's just so upsetting to me
@@otroweonllamadosebaYou clearly lack the ability to emphasize with teens' inability to make good choices. She was dumb and took the risk to get her dream career, and the guy was obviously taking advantage of her. Dating as a trade for equipment is only an offer a sicko would make.
Transparency can be very sticky and you need to find the balance. After all, Livers/Vtubers have a lot of fans and if they just disappear without explanation then people start to worry. If the company doesn't say anything at all then the talents can only paint their side of the story, making them seem innocent, even if they really did break contract or even the law. On the other hand, airing the dirty laundry to much turns into smear campaign and that's just awful.
Zaion's termination sometimes feels kinda funny. Even when Yugo was suddenly announced as graduating without a proper graduation, not even 6 months into this, everyone still includes him in the background months after the announcement, he didn't brought so much bad energy into his career. Zaion's case however. I still remember standing on the train when reading that announcement. BOI even the gen mates expressed their discomfort and dissatisfaction with her contribution to any kind of discussion they had with management (except for one gen mate who didn't talked about her at all while everyone else was). Some other niji en talents also expressed some bits of what they were allowed to say regarding her and it wasn't that good either. All while this was going around, the person behind Zaion was posting on her other accounts like she's invincible and that terminating her was a missed opportunity of the greatest. It was like watching her and her little armies trying to start a fight with the company
You still lick the boot of Riku? After all that happened? If you had more than average room temperature IQ, perhaps you would be able to understand that Zaion’s termination was a sign that something was very wrong with company. Also, the way she was thrown under the bus was super unnatural and seemed like heavy damage control from management
@@wadewilson1275 if your iq was higher than the temperature outside (2 degrees in my case ^^), you'd see that zaion's been talking out of her salty ass all this time and the only one stabbing (more from front than back, I'll give her that) was her she messed up. missed her chance and is still salty about it, that's the whole story
Was she salty? Yes. Did she made tons of error? Yes. Was she not doing enough to draw people to her side during her termination and antagonising her co-workers? Yes. Was she right about NijiEN being run into the ground? Also yes. Was she right NijiEN is filled with factionalism and bias depending on performance? Very probable yes. Was her colleagues being collective assholes, unprofessionally calling her out on their stream? Definitely yes. Did NijiEN unprofessionally made a list of “reasons for termination” which consists of some very weak and spiteful points that make little sense? I would say yes. I’m camp both did a lot of things wrong. However, I definitely think NijiEN management deserved more criticism than an arrogant but ultimately not as “talented” streamer. Even if Zaion was being an ass privately while not being able to produce much results, that should have no bearing on their unprofessional, spiteful reaction. Other members should not be commenting on her termination, to both be respectful and maintain professionalism, separating work and personal life.
Tbh what surprises me the most to this day is how Zaion got into nijisanji, like, I've seen the audition form and you have to put all your vtuber related socials/sites you stream on, I dont think that if she behaved like this on stream she didnt do so in the previous places she streamed at so its like...? So damn bizarre to me tbh.
I will admit, I am also guilty of instantly thinking about Rushia when I hear “VTuber Termination” since it is the first one I experienced and it so happened to be with one that I really did like though I am glad she is doing better nowadays.
transparency is for sure important but like,it needs to be actual reasons for the termination and not just a list of every single mistake they ever made..just the actual important reason/reasons.
@@hokyosei When I first saw the thumbnails, I was like "oh, good for her that she's married". Then I'm go into the vids and learn about the divorce and I'm like "well, that's a shame but these things happen". Then the vids go into mafumafu's accusations of her being an abusive and controlling partner and I'm "oh ****, not again"
This is the first video of yours I've caught and I absolutely love it. Your quick edits and references provide a compelling viewing experience, and you managed to bring in The Wire in a video about VTuber terminations... Yep, subscribed. I also love that you give credit to your sources and point to good explanations of complicated topics (like the work of Depressed Nousagi.)
I think personally there can be a fine line between too much info, and too little information. VTubing agencies; while having their own sense of transparency, I think they can find that grey area. When a Vtuber does something extremely wrong, such as pedophilia or Grooming; it should definitely be stated as such. I.E: "This Vtuber has been terminated on grounds of Grooming and Pedophilic acts against other members or fans" In cases of Riro I think they did the perfect Grey area, not too much information and not too little information. I think the simple "Breach of Contract" can have it's importance but it's also good to be transparent about major things, cause "Breach of Contract" can mean many things. And it isn't very, insightful on one hand. On the other it can also explain why most Vtuber or Idol companies don't think of putting much other than "Breach of contract" Sometimes.
Also just to add to the Rushia/Mafumafu drama, that wasn't the first time those allegations popped up. Awhile beforehand on Twitter, JP fans had seen, and I wish I was kidding, a plate with a specific design that Mafumafu had causing many to believe that they were dating or living together It remained mostly on the Japanese side with Mafu making a statement that they did know each other but were just friends and putting it to rest in like a week, but when the Discord messages happened it just reignited the flames and pretty much caused those same ppl to believe that the previous statement might have actually been a lie and that they WERE dating...it was insane to say the least (Edit from the future:....Well I guessed everything above aged like milk in a morbidly hilarious but shocking way) Edit: also on the topic of transparency, i think the best way of handling it was how Hololive initially handled the Rushia/Mafu Drama Tell ppl that they see the fan's concerns its none of their business, transparent enough to get a peak at the innerworkings of the company, but vauge enough to not give too much away The Zaion stuff while having real grievances, is still an example of how NOT to handel it especially when they branded her for a Deez Nuts joke from a company nobodys ever heard of until her termination, along with how some talents, outside of Doppio and a few other who said NOTHING, put a standard on themselves that got scrutinized IMMEDIATELY by their next stream with certain action (aka Hex and the Dildo incident)
Hololive handled the Rushia situation as well as anyone could possibly have handled that situation. They fully supported her until right before the end, including releasing an official statement saying that they will not bonk talents who have romantic or sexual relationships with other consenting adults (most of their talents were at least 18 years old when they first signed their contracts, and the few who weren't have since had their 18th birthdays; so all current and former Holomems are adults, character lore notwithstanding). The end of their full support was also handled well, firing her only for breaching the NDA and effectively telling the world that they are not taking a "some employees are more equal than others" approach to contract enforcement. They also did not fully unperson her when they deleted her YT and twitter content -- streams and videos featuring her on other holomems' channels were allowed to stay up, including the hologra which happened right before they fired her, and a cameo in one of Marine's MVs that was published several weeks after.
The things that they had in common was the most basic random cat tree you can possibly have and some cutlery ( I don't know if that is the right english word ) that fans gave Mafumafu and he used it. They actually didn't know each other well. There is messages from them when the old drama happened. They ironically got to know each other better because of the first drama. XD Idol culture can be cruel. They both have obsessive fanbases unfortunately. They were not dating as far as we know. They both denied it. But that didn't help. People were still cruel. I wish idol culture can change more in the future.
@@lezbianfreak To summarize, since Zaion made those sexual comments about the SA character, when she was terminated, a few of her genmates criticized her actions, with Hex standing out, because he opened up about his experience as an SA victim Many, like myself saw nothing wrong with that, in fact it can be seen as an educational moment for Zaion and Niji's audience about boundaries and jokes that can cross the line...and then his next stream happened It was "Viewer Submitted Assets"...and...the first item he pulled out was a censored dildo...for obvious reasons he got a lot of push back since, in programs like Vtube Studio, you have to manually open your files beforehand and put them in the asset folder, in short, you can't really "guess" what your viewers send you unless it's fan mail 😅 And after talking about a serious subject like assault not even a full 24hrs before the asset stream, it kinda felt uhhhhh...inappropriate 🫠
Regarding mikeneko she still use that menhera personality like rushia, not only that she also use the same artist as rushia for her new model Theres also a moment where she collab with 2 male vtuber for apex tournament. Making her fans angry and felt betrayed.
Rushia one was crazy bc i swear some rando jp guy in disc started screaming abt how he was better off w rushia n there was this girl just trying 2 calm the guy down i swear ppl r crazy when it comes 2 vtubers tbh
Now it's even crazier because now we know they were indeed married and trying to deny it still. Oh yeah, and Rushia may have been a controlling and abusive partner during the marriage.
I understand Zaion's side of the story, but I also understand why she got terminated. I actually felt SICK watching her play Chilla's the karaoke game when she made that joke. It's understandable to have such humour but you should also understand that people, ESPECIALLY a corpo would NOT like it. Gret vido btw :D
right? and i've heard rushia had killed or abused mafu's blind cat :(( i hope everything goes well in mafu's favor in court.... crazy that there's still some rushia stans defending her disgusting behavior
"Mikeneko seems alright" Yeah, I clicked on this video despite being old because I couldn't remember how it originally went because of how crazy her story is from termination onwards.
So the Rushia one, yeahhhh she deserved it more than anyone. Selen was crazy because of what came to light in the entire situation internally at Nijisanji and it really connected some dots with Pomu's prior departure not long before. Both were pioneers and focal points of the EN portion of Nijisanji. I think the toxic workplace claims from Selen now Doki really fill in some of the speculations on Pomu's departure, especially after she vocalized how bummed she was after a project she REALLY wanted to do got shot down with little reason. She has talked a bit more and it was Metal Gear related and the opportunity was limited time. She likely wouldnt have had the chance again and Niji shot that down. The Mel situation is just sad mostly. She has been through hell in her personal life and ended up subjected to targetted harassment and threats of doxxing from her OWN COMPANY she worked under. A Cover manager used their position to threaten her with leaks. Then they terminated her for allegedly leaking Cover information to third parties. Like, you get threatened and harassed to the point police had to get involved by your employer, then your employer fires you because you didnt guard information well enough? Seems like some sick irony after going through all that. Seems Cover cares more about their own information than their employees.
You know, there’s something that all these terminations have in common. I believe the main fault here is the fans who don’t mind their own business. All of these problems escalated because the fans just spread rumors and information. This is not only vtubers, it’s literally celebrities too. Why do we live in a world where fans dox their Oshis and get to their personal life. Specifically about Rushia, that really didn’t need to escalate. The fans were making a big deal about it when in reality they have no reason to know that private stuff. I get they want to support them but remember that these vtubers are people who have their own lives to live in a peaceful manner. Poor Rushia was having a mental breakdown. You call that helping? Although each of them did something wrong which led to their termination, it really didn’t need to escalate that much. Those fans need to stop and let them live a peaceful life. That’s why I think vtubers is a tougher job than celebrities when it comes to mental state. Anywho, that’s all.
Damn dude. Imagine if you had wanted to upload this video 4 weeks later like today. You would have to edit a few more Vtubers in like wow. And it's only febuary
Considering the news i just heard about Rushia (Her being abusive, cheating on mafumafu) I can say that i kind of knew what was gonna happen. Im just glad that i didn't fully supported her back then.
I still don’t understand why Chris got fired. Is being doxxed a breach of contract? If so, ANY member of Hololive could get doxxed and then fired, so nobody is safe. Is it her being in a compensated relationship? Then why does Hololive now take the position that private life shouldn’t matter, like they did with Rushia?
A majority of hololive talents have prior success from before hololive, so their identities are open secrets that you could find if you looked, hell I’ve found a couple of them by complete accident.
Policies change and a certain sound cloud rapper has said that she can't be fired for the information other people reveal about her. Cover would be damned fools to let antis have that sort of power.
Because compensated dating as a minor is illegal in Japan. There's no company that wouldn't fire you if you did something illegal while working for them and they were forced to know about it. There's a difference between "your private life doesn't matter," and "don't do illegal shit that can make us liable."
@@Ryuuchie That makes more sense as an explanation. Though it still shouldn’t be considered illegal IMO. If an adult and a child are dating, that should only be illegal on the adult’s part.
@@aaaah540 It more or less is because while the manager was jailed (at least that's what the rumor mill states); the only punishment Chris got was her subsequent firing. That was because even if she's a minor who's deemed incapable of making decisions due to her age such as minors are treated everywhere else; the reality is that Cover can't give the same leeway. There's a difference between Marine making old man jokes or the girls flirting with each other; and one of their talents being found out as actually doing the act of compensated dating. Realistically, even if she wasn't a minor; she still would have been fired because the image is going to look bad no matter what (especially since their entire position is of a public facing company). Boils down to telling the talents they can't have a boyfriend is overstepping; but telling the talents that they can't prostitute themselves is common sense. Don't get me wrong though; the manager deserved jail because his MO was to solicit desperate up-and-coming vtubers for sex in exchange for providing them the equipment to do the vtubing. That unfortunately doesn't excuse the company from the court of public opinion; which is why Chris is still a hot-topic to this day where people will cite her at fault even though she was really just guilty of being young and stupid; just like everyone else has been when they were young (at least morally. In technical sense, she was still guilty of compensated dating and scamming someone[even though the person is a POS] which would never be able to be reconciled if they kept her onboard).
Excellent Video, I had no idea off the Meiro Incident; but the rest brought back (repressed) memories. Hopefully, 2024 isn't gonna be as much of a mess as 2020-2023 .
2024 PERSON HERE WITH AN UPDATE!! mafumafu and rushia were married for a year but divorced (forgot when) and turns out rushia was an actual real menhera (。Д。) anyway forgot most of this so i suggest you find out more by tiktoks as most drama are usually told there and i found out on tiktok aswell lmao
This uh, Mikeneko stuff, yeah, ...aged like fine goats milk. You might wanna update this video, bro. Maybe a little annotation during her segment? Yeah?
Riro Ron to be honest, I don't even care about her persona or who she used to be or whatever, but when I saw her termination, and when I saw that, they let her go, my first thought wasn't, oh my God, she ruined her career and blah blah blah, blah, blah, and she used to be this, so on big, influencer this so called big Vtuber that's all people really cared about, and that's crazy to me like I didn't watch her, but at least I have enough empathy to say that, you know, is she alright, even if she did all this stuff, and people have a negative look on her, my only concern was, was she alright after taking all those substances and doing all this, she's going down a dark path, and I am like very much concerned, even though she's not like, you know, a v tuber anymore i can't help but still be like what lead her to start doing these things 🤔 f*ck the vtuber scandal i what i really wanna hear is is she off substances, is she like going to seek therapy is she doing alright to other people, I might sound like a pair of social fan, but in reality, I'm just a person with concerns and have a different priority than others a person who can be worried
Well heres what I know She was like this with her Previous persona It was well known she was abusing substances and quite depressed She then recovered and joined Idol and then she started again My take is this that she may not handle popularity well .
Reading this whole comment makes me. Think of 2mad (big meme youtuber) and how he handled his own shit early last year cuz he did all the same shit (outside of the nda tweet) so now im wondering if shes ok mentally too
Damn I love this video so much 😂😂 the editing n jokes made this so funny and not just a boring review 😆👍 Edit: Except Chris'. Yeah that's... always meant to be taken seriously.
Zaion making that "I like little boys" joke as sarcasm was funny given the charas she was playing but the r@pe joke was just too far. Making that kinda joke says a lot abt u...
I like the breakdown here, the humor placed over an otherwise dreary topic gave a nice 'lightness' to the video hah. As for the transparency? I'd say more is better. With how corporations are these days, any level of transparency is hard to argue against.
You forgot something about the Rushia termination. We all know that she was terminated in February of 2022, coincidentally it was also the month of the Russian Invasion of Ukraine. There were a lot of misunderstanding in twitter because of the "we support Rushia" hashtag at that time.
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So uh...about Mel, Rushia, and Selen...
Y'all might be seeing a part 2 in a few months 💀
This oughta be sweet 💀
Im gonna be in Icu now
*I was just coming here as soon as I got up!* 😂
Thank you
💀💀💀
When the Rushia one aged like milk
Ok but it’s so ironic that she treated Mafumafu with the same attitude that her parasocial fans did to her…crazy
"Hololive win by absolutely doing nothing"
@@arustaa7179 I mean... can it be even a competition when the opponent self-destructs before it even began. 😆
What happened?
@@candi.06 she abused mafumafu along with leaking company info and faking claims against him
riros isn't crazy because she got terminated, its crazy because she didn't get caught sooner
wdym by not getting caught sooner? from nonviewer perspective (me), the only thing that warrant her termination was meeting secretly with her viewer and getting thousand of dollars. As it was a backdeal and idol can't get a cut of that thousand of dollars, additionally there are transaction involve hence it can become prositution.
@@hafizhnugrahav0113She took the said "silly" pills during stream for a subathon and fucked the lead management 💀
@@hafizhnugrahav0113They took the said "silly" pill during a subathon and did the lead manage ment 💀
@@hafizhnugrahav0113she slept with her **married** manager
@@hafizhnugrahav0113 You’ve got a weird worldview dude
I don't even feel upset about riro i just find it fucking hilarious
She legit had the full rockstar rap sheet.
needy streamer overload%
I mean I loved Riro so I was a bit disappointed but it's definitely funnier then sad when I actually think about what she did ;-;
She belong in the street 😂
Its really funny ngl but what does annoy me is how people were defending her sleeping with her manager who was married
Damn the Rushia section aged like milk after the shit that came out today 😭
waht happened??
@@wahh403 I don’t even know where to begin and I highly suggest you look more into it if you are really curious but tldr she was previously married and her ex basically was forced to come out and say how horrible of a person she was.
@@wahh403turns out she WAS (supposedly) married to mafumafu, and he released a statement describing her abusive and crazy behaviour towards him
It's not confirmed that it's her, but like... it's her
@@hibilbo4755 Actually it is confirmed, she made a tweet about it
@@hibilbo4755 And now she has responded so yes, she was married to Mafumafu, despite the initial denials of any relationship at all. Of course, she denied all that he said about her being a controlling and abusive partner. At this point, at least one of them is lying about how their relationship was.
U forgot to mention the iconic shindo ratio, this guy gets accepted into niji, debuts, four days later terminated.
The reason of terminated was that he had a past history of sexual harassment and he has made inappropriate comments about a current nijisanji member, a true termination speedrun
Unfortunately cut him from the vid due to time constraints but I threw a *very* short mention of his speedrun at the end. Thanks for your comment and info!
You would think they’d do a background check/investigate his previous life especially with how long they have until a wave debuts
@@maryam-nusait also happen during 2019, the year where nijisanji pumped out 43 talents, so yeah thats what you get for focusing on quantity over quality.
@@ayotaledoI think what also speed up the termination was that fact that his inappropriate comments were directed towards Himawari, one of the most popular female talents under niji and a good friend of kuzuha, so yea raito ain’t going anywhere with that record on him 💀
I get reminded of that "Join the Nijisanji Academy, fast graduations" pic, and I can't help laughing.
I watched the riro shit in high res confusion. There were so many people who were defending her, saying that she wasn’t in the wrong at all. Even when she absolutely was- lmao. Idol W, riro F
Riro did "nothing wrong" in that "every other termination is a result of colossal miscommunication between company and talent" whereas this one is just... this girl doing shit that'd get you kicked out of any company, y'know?
Like, as a "Riro Defender", she absolutely deserved to be removed from idol, it's just such a human happening. Humans can make unbelievably stupid mistakes that take their entire lives to bounce back from. I don't think this is one of those life-rending mistakes. I just think it's sad and she needs real support, because what she was getting wasn't working for anyone
I'm not reading allat@@DeviousHands
Remember the weird uncle who responds to news of boys getting molested in school with "huh, lucky guy"?
Those defenders are those people
I don't think sleeping with your own fans is defensible. If anything that is a HUGE no for multiple reasons, a massive risk to the VTubers irl safety being one.
@@KinotheHedgehog 1) she never did. intended to, possibly (that could be a really off-color joke, but it's fair enough to treat it as real), but never did
2) she had already accepted a thousand dollars worth of stuff from some IRL fan she went and met (this is just as scary to me as the sex solicitation), and idol never specified intimate relations with one, something you would assume would come up in the notice if it did
3) her manager covering for her at every step is so much more egregious, its your job to stop this shit and instead you tried to "have a secretive relationship with her" (i am interpreting this as having him hide her antics rather than fucking her but it could be anywhere on that spectrum), like Riro did suspicious shit but having the person who's supposed to keep her in line endorse her is a tragedy
Riro's situation is simultaneously hilarious because it's so absurd and sad because she definitely has some serious issues she needs a therapist to deal with but instead she's using drugs and the attention she gets online to self medicate and if she doesn't get help IRL she's gonna get into some life threatening trouble
The harem was a joke, she is taking medicine bc she actually needs them, she is actually doing just fine
@@ExGalliard I smell a Riro simp
@@Vivianne.V how am I a simp for saying what she said? And saying she is doing fine? But ok buddy whatever helps u sleep at night
People don’t realize getting into agencies that this is at the end of the day another job. You have to be mindful what you say or do because if you end up pissing off management you can get the boot.
People don’t treat this s**t like an actual job and professionalism is kind of necessary and it shows
Going indie as an entertainer/streamer makes way more sense. The only benefit from agencies is exposure, but that's something you can grow organically or via other means.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v but that's the hardest part being indie some indie may find success or get decent view but many of them didn't find enough view they graduate in 1-2 year tho
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v not quite true. Agencies also help with funding and managing projects. Those types of things can be quite a bit of an undertaking, especially if the talent has no experience with it, so working with an Agency to handle it for you so you can focus primarily on streaming can be immensely helpful.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v True, but fame n exposure takes infinitely more time n effort as an indie, also a lot of luck, so thats the trade off. And not just expoxure, a team to manage ur schedule, ur equipment, ur connections, ur community, ur merchs, etc etc. Being in an agency offers a lot, but it also requires a lot from u
I was waiting for the Shindo Raito mention. It’s so hard to find info on his situation, but he basically had bad intentions from the beginning, and him actually getting through to the point of debuting is kind of alarming.
that was such a speed-run graduation its outright funny... also proves why its important to have several interviews and background checks befure debuting anyone.
it got worse
Rushia is just one of the saddest. Riro is one of the most hilarious
Edit: Well... Sh!t
Na, Rushia isn't sad at all because it was literally her own fault she got terminated, she got too scared about people thinking she's dating MafuMafu that she got nothing better to do than to give full access of her working Discord channel to a literally dramatuber without realizing she might be damaging others if the person had bad intention. Literally she only had to stay away from her computer and phone since Cover was doing everything to avoid drama but nah, she had to mess up everything and people still think she didn't deserve the termination or that she's fully innocent for what happened
@@CallMeG99its actually sad because she did shoot her own foot after being the most successful Holovt at the time.
She mentally broke down, she was as parasocial to her fans as her fans were to her.
@@CallMeG99People kept calling her phone and driving her over the edge. I hate that this keeps getting overlooked.
@@someguy3263 But she fostered that type of relationship
Not saying its her fault but it comes with the territory and how she acted with fans attracted a certain type of viewer.
I think both “her own actions and impulses causes her downfall (as well as culminating a parasocial fanbase)” and “With the overwhelming harassment, threats, and lies from a single pop-up, Rushia was harmed and unfortunately had a mental breakdown” can be true given what happened
The transparency debate is real tho, I genuinely don't know how one could handle it without getting some group riled up. 😂
Especially in the case of RIro Ron, as Idol was in a lose lose situation with that one especially if it was actually the lead manager that got fired that she was in a secretive relationship with. And even then there were a lot of Americans that don't understand how power dynamics work or why that was so bad in the first place and why it was a legitimate reason to fire both the head/lead manager -(tittles are confusing in workplaces a lot of the times)- and her alone. Hell even if it was not the head manager if it was one that could grant her perms that would be bad enough to warrant for both being fired
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena didn’t help that idol already claimed they wanted to be a transparent company so if they held back it could’ve ended slightly worse
@@Bpaz19 Well some things they don't really need to be open about like Riro's previous account before joining Idol. As that is not a good look for them
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktenaWhy are you saying Americans? Nice bigoted generalization oh so wise one.
I think that should default to the Talent's preferences, not the Company. They deserve to have a voice.
youtube recommending me this after the new information of mafumafu 💀
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What happened.?
@@_em4042I'm pretty sure mafumafu came out and stated that they were married to Rushia and she was abusing them
@@_em4042 he is already married (implied to be to the person behind rushia/nazuna/mikeneko) and is getting a divorce due to abuse from her, cheating on him and in general being an awful person. though everything is not official yet
@@Demon_like_judge_of_fire ohhh right I remember now
Now we know what the pill in Riro’s hair is for
How i not notice that 💀
She's based and red-pilled.
When i first found out about Chris, i could only think about how an adult ass man was taking advantage of a minor with aspirations and she likely didnt know the consequences of what he wanted. Bc she was. Yknow. A *teenager.*
That thing might have been false. There's no evidence that the person claiming to be her manager actually went to the police, and didn't had any serious pause in online activity, also that person seemed more like your bogstandard fan who likely didn't like a certain person.
When i first found out about her a few years ago that was my fitrst thought, but then i realised, this wouldn't have happened if she had returned the money, instead because she didn't return the money as the guy had asked she is just as bad as he was - taking advantage of a man for personal gain. they were both as bad as each other
@@herozero8809 call me crazy but i think if a child realizes they're being SAed and wants to cut off a relationship, the 30yo man shouldn't have doxxed her. She shouldn't need to return anything.
Yeah, now she will dub anime or game. Life's going on, let's move on. 🎉
Kaguya Luna seems to experience a similar condition, maybe. A teenager behind the rising content creator, Pmaru (2017), called to fill the role of Kaguya Luna. Works in big city with adult ass man and some contracts that a teenager couldn't understand fully. These adults took advantage of her, carrying out activities that were not in accordance with the contract, she was stuck there for up to 2 years, with the intensity of his activities decreasing, eventhough her content was refreshingly creative at that time. She wanted to do many things, but the adults always rejected her. And she tried uploading in her old persona channel, Pmaru, doing what she wanted. A year later she made her 3D debut, told her fans what happened on Twitter and on one of the pages in his fanbook. Now she is happy doing what she wants without pressure from these adults. She isnt called herself vtuber tho. She starts from doing cover songs, drawings, creating anime skits, and such. "A content creator" would be best fit to describe her.
The ironic thing is Mafumafu had texted her that message because she kept accusing him of cheating on her and Rushia would get mad when he wouldn’t reply to her messages. He texted her that messages to “calm her nerves” and that was what sparked all the rumors in the first place. Basically she shot herself in the foot.💀
Yozora Mel's my biggest opp AIN'T NO WAY SHE GOT TERMINATED A WEEK AFTER MY VIDEO! 😭
Dang dude, no luck with timing.
Wildest part of this is Mel is the one they brought in to replace Hitomi Chris when she got terminated pre-debut, one could say that spot in 1st gen is cursed...
Edit: Ok I worded that poorly, Mel who debuted before the rest of Gen 1 (and likely wasn't intended to be part of that Gen originally) was added to the roster of Gen 1 in the wake of Chris's termination to fill out the 5 member group dynamic. It all happened so early on that she's been with the Gen the entire time, so no one really considers her an "addition" (and rightfully so).
I was just about to comment that
At least Mel seems to have left largely amicably and with minimum drama despite breaking her contract. Might not have fit in the video anyway lol
SHE WHAT?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!
You know what I fear for Riro
If she comes back the people who will follow her will follow her because of "based"
These people will just then encourage such behaviour and then when she spirals , Will they be there for her? No simply because they NEVER actually cared for her .
And I fear that will end up poorly for her.
And before people say she did nothing wrong
She was abusing controlled substances
Yes it was only sleeping pills but guess what every drug there is has instructions why? Because they can have negative effects especially when not taken correctly
Also Imagine if the fan she met was not upstanding, THAT could of ended up in numerous of horrible ways
NOT just for her but for her colleagues
To all the people saying they care for her, If you believe she did nothing wrong , you never did , or you would care that she was potentially harming herself.
Don’t know this girl but heard about what stupid crap she did and it’s disgusting she gets away with some of it yes she deserved to get fired but the fact she refuses to learn it was her fault and deflect, she’s only going to f up her life more.
@@isaac14ac From what I have learned she was taking sleeping pills more recreationally and quite depressed before she joined Idol
She got better as she took a break then she joined Idol
I'm not going to condemn her
It seems to me that she does not handle popularity well.
Lmfaoooo. Over sleeping pills and her fucking a fan?
Given the circumstances, she’s VERY lucky she can at least bounce back. If the fans met were in any way intrusive, she’d be in any more trouble.
Hopefully it’s a learning experience and not a “I can get even crazier” type of scenario
No one legitimately cares about strangers on the Internet, nor should you. They're not your friends.
I remember the Rushia debacle going down as someone who was more into Mafumafu and has been for a decade by now. My reaction to those rumors was a genuine “who cares” because *Mafumafu is in his 30s.* He is fully allowed to date at that age.
Edit: Well he _was_ married to her :/ I can’t say I’m happy for him because of what he dealt with and I only hope that he can recover from the situation. I’m happy he got out of it. A majority of fans are supporting him right now rather than honing in on the fact that he was married so I’m happy to see that.
It's amazing the fact that both are still single, how is that possible? 😮
@@leandroiuki4337 we don’t know for sure if Mafumafu is single since he keeps his private life private (as he should, knowing his fanbase and being in it for so long tbh)
it's not about age, it's about idolhood
@@noidolsnolife6373 my point was that if he’s in his 30s and he wants to get married he should be allowed to. Some of the fans need to settle down about it and let him live his life.
@@azraelllllno, i totally understand your point. the logic is completely valid and i agree with it. however idol culture is insane in japan and it's highly unlikely any idol fan will truly ever settle down in regards to their oshi having a love life
Still sad Yugo never got a graduation stream
She got terminated, no grad stream for terminated agents
@@reimasashiDidn’t yugo get graduated and not terminated? I’m not really sure though since a lot of people at the time said that it was put behind the words of “graduation”
@@mezenihello the announcement called it a graduation, plus it is up to the graduating (not terminated) streamers if they want to hold a graduation stream and in what form would they like their channel to be left (everything privated, selected videos left or everything left)
While I feel like Yugo's graduation was on a messier side, both sides not really satisfied with how things ended up, I'm pretty sure the person behind Yugo agreed to leave the company (we don't know if the idea about leaving came from them or the company) and wasn't fired - it was "yeah, things aren't working out, let's part ways" and not "get out, you're too much of a problem" like Zaion's termination for example
@@reimasashi they*
@@NatasWhite "They" is not a singular pronoun. Kindly seek therapy.
Zaion had the attitude of a Phase girl but was working for Niji, a deadly combination.
if she had joined phase, she prolly could have been one of the most successful vtubers
Funny considering one of her recent streams are with Phase Connect livers
Riro's case is just literally needy streamer overload lol
You might be on to something 🤔
Riros graduation goes down as one of the most bizarre I've witnessed 😂😂 great video as always taledo!!!
Ayy LycorisBanashi!! You’re here, hope you’re doing well!
doing good!@@Honda_Kiku
Hi lycoris
Fr though. Thanks once again for giving me some jnsight on Japanese language 💜
I swear we need part 2 of this considering all the shit that is happening only 2 weeks after this has been uploaded lmfao
With Zaion post-termination, I've seen opinions stretching between "she was the start of the NijiEN fall" to "she proves this or that about Niji's hiring policies, and she's manipulative about public opinion". But having watched Zaion's roommate off and on for a while now post-termination, while those off-color jokes were really poor taste and definitely a mistake, I can safely say she pretty much just wasn't a good fit for Niji's (and Japanese corporate media culture in general) extreme image focus. She's more free-spirited like what indies can get away instead of PR-focused like what most corps want, but she seems to get along with the EN indie sphere well.
I saw a comment about this, but she should have joined Phase Connect, honestly
Well this comment aged like fucking milk niji is on fire right cause of they're poor choices
Well…
So quick update on the Rushia and Mafumafu situation that came to light a few days ago, they were married when the scandal happened and apparently Rushia was abusive to Mafu, and now they're going to court
i also heard that rushia had killed or abused (i forgot which one) mafu's blind cat i hope everything goes in mafu's favor. The worst part is that there's still some crazy rushia fans defending her behavior...
@@Az4le.a the cat was Rushia's and as far as I've heard she did not abuse it
@@AlexT7916 oh then it must've been my memory perhaps
Hope rushia wins❤
@@Ucj334esd so you want the abuser to win?
Shit gettin' more crazy two weeks after this video LMAO
Rushia panicking and trusting japanese keemstar is just sad mistake, if only she didnt do that...
impossible
I was wondering why people said "not another japanese vtuber with male and female blah blah" and I was just sitting like a fat cat pondering "wtf are they talking bout?"
bruh, it was mafumafu. thank you for the video, the internet is wild and people should stop being more chronically online than me.
I'd be careful about recommending Depressed Nousagi, dude has be caught spreading false information a few times.
Really? This is the first I’m hearing of this, what kind of misinformation did he spread?
@Thepotatogoddess I will preface this by saying I do not believe he was intentionally acting maliciously. However, he has on multiple occasions given out incorrect information in his videos(usually, but not always minor things), including at least one time spreading an outright known fabrication about a vtuber(Hitomi Chris).
I would like to add, Nousagi has been known for posting actual info about vtubers on his paid patreon (one archive on kemono still has it). Yes its equal to selling irl info about talents (even their relatives too). Dude could know a lot/ good at digging stuff but for his intentions, is debatable.
@@yuyutopt I legit forgot about this. I take back what I said, he is definitely intentionally acting maliciously.
@@yuyutoptyep. That basically made him public enemy number 1 of the vtuber community especially the holo community. How thick skinned would one be to make a documentary about a talent's struggles BEFORE they joined the agency and putting it in their patreon especially when it involves showing their real face and activities? The only ones watching him are clueless new vtuber fans that doesn't know about this.
The mikeneko/rushia story did NOT age well lol cosidering literally a week or so ago EVERYTHING went bat shit crazy lol
bro i feel so bad for mafumafu, i hope everything goes in his favor in court... and then there's the crazy Rushia stans that are still defending her disgusting behavior
@@Az4le.a Honestly, blowing this up in public, and yes I know there was a tabloid story that was going to spill it anyway, makes me skeptical of mafumafu's intentions. Probably because following Trump's trials makes me think he wants to win public sympathy even if the court rules against him.
February is truely the most cursed month for Vtubers after what's happening right now
Rushia: Feb 2022
Zaion: Feb 2023
Selen: Feb 2024
True
Rushia's termination was... crazy, hilarious, ironic, and tragic coincidence at the same time. I mean, *Russia invaded Ukraine when Cover kicked Rushia from Hololive.*
I can imagine the non-vtuber viewers got confused at the twitter trending topics, wondering why people supported Russia's aggresion towards Ukraine. 🗿
Lmaoo
lol
Ironically and possibly funnily, that's exactly how I get to know about Vtuber culture.
Didn't that actually happen? A bunch of the JP fans mistyped Rushia as Russia
@@feloven Some. But also auto translator thingy.
How quickly this video needs a part 2 and it's just the first quarter of 2024
It's just over the first month
This video was uploaded 2 weeks ago is the craziest thing ever
Listen, I'm a CSA and rape victim and I just can't think good about Sayu/Zaion ever. She's not a monster but the things she said will always make me view her in a bad light.
Its why I can't stand when people defend her like "oh she's just edgy she's just got a dark sense of humour I still think she's funny" blablabla like hex has made comments about his own trauma with SA and she's in the same group as him. I don't care what kind of humour you have you do not say shit like that especially if one of your co workers has a history with it. Obviously she's not an evil person but that's pretty unforgivable
That’s what I hate when people say “there was a massive shift in Zaion’s favor when her exposé came out” like no?? Some of us still think she’s terrible and we know that whether or not Niji wronged her she still deserved what she got because she says and believes horrible things
100% valid. In an old tiktok of mine I mention the jokes making me mad uncomfortable too.
People will have their views, and objectively things are very divided with the fanbase (with mfs saying based and what not), but she’ll have to hold those consequences
@@brodstarpadpen6949Hex the hypocrite is the least to wine about an unfinished rape joke when he likes untagged selfies of his own fans and how do we want to know if he even told or confronted Zaion about it? The fact he unprofessionaly sended his parasocial fanbase after her, while she got harassed and hard doxxed was an absolut no go. He gave antis ammo to the point where she could have legitemately died and for what? A petty joke he couldnt take and have to wine about to thousands of people on the internet with single to no little care that Zaions life was endangered.
@@FantasiephilosophRaku She said on multiple occasions she was attracted to little boys. Not just a one off joke. Parasocial fans isn't because of Hex. It's a problem with vtubers in general, given it derives from idol culture. Hex didn't tell his fans to harass, dox or threaten her. I'm sure he even specifically said to not harass her as much as he could given that he's a corpo RUclipsr and it depends on how much the company allows him to speak up. Him saying that he is a victim is not giving auntie's ammo to harass and attack her It is him speaking about why it personally affected him more emotionally, given what she was called out for.
I enjoy watching Vtubers, and I dont care how people spend their hard-earned money, but man, seeing some of the enraged posts from parasocials saying that they spent $2k on superchats is really just sad to me. I hope they're at least software devs or engineers with expendable income, but I imagine a number of them probably get so deep into it that they end up not being able to afford rent because of their suspension of disbelief that an anime girl streamer is not actually their lover.
How does one learn of the Chris situation and take the ‘producer’s’ side??? Hope she’s doing okay.
A lot of digging and even than nothing is fully concrete since it's based off translated rumors
it's seriously so upsetting. even if she wasn't a minor it's still upsetting. so fucked up honesty
it's even more fucked up ESPECIALLY if she was a minor. imagine if you were 15-16 and in order to achieve your dream you had to date some random dude likely YEARS older than you??? it's just so upsetting to me
@@cureholly. The rest didn't, that's why you can get mad at her as much as any other star playing victim now.
@@otroweonllamadosebaYou clearly lack the ability to emphasize with teens' inability to make good choices.
She was dumb and took the risk to get her dream career, and the guy was obviously taking advantage of her. Dating as a trade for equipment is only an offer a sicko would make.
Thanks to the Selen termination, more of NijiEn's corrupt management came in to light and Sayu was vendicated as well.
Transparency can be very sticky and you need to find the balance. After all, Livers/Vtubers have a lot of fans and if they just disappear without explanation then people start to worry. If the company doesn't say anything at all then the talents can only paint their side of the story, making them seem innocent, even if they really did break contract or even the law. On the other hand, airing the dirty laundry to much turns into smear campaign and that's just awful.
Zaion's termination sometimes feels kinda funny. Even when Yugo was suddenly announced as graduating without a proper graduation, not even 6 months into this, everyone still includes him in the background months after the announcement, he didn't brought so much bad energy into his career.
Zaion's case however. I still remember standing on the train when reading that announcement. BOI even the gen mates expressed their discomfort and dissatisfaction with her contribution to any kind of discussion they had with management (except for one gen mate who didn't talked about her at all while everyone else was). Some other niji en talents also expressed some bits of what they were allowed to say regarding her and it wasn't that good either. All while this was going around, the person behind Zaion was posting on her other accounts like she's invincible and that terminating her was a missed opportunity of the greatest. It was like watching her and her little armies trying to start a fight with the company
And then all but one of her gen mates went into damage control and started slinging mud at her. Super weird.
You still lick the boot of Riku? After all that happened? If you had more than average room temperature IQ, perhaps you would be able to understand that Zaion’s termination was a sign that something was very wrong with company. Also, the way she was thrown under the bus was super unnatural and seemed like heavy damage control from management
@@wadewilson1275 if your iq was higher than the temperature outside (2 degrees in my case ^^), you'd see that zaion's been talking out of her salty ass all this time and the only one stabbing (more from front than back, I'll give her that) was her
she messed up. missed her chance and is still salty about it, that's the whole story
@@blairfujinSo um, the Selen situation happened, Zaion may not be as salty people thought she was.
Was she salty? Yes.
Did she made tons of error? Yes.
Was she not doing enough to draw people to her side during her termination and antagonising her co-workers? Yes.
Was she right about NijiEN being run into the ground? Also yes.
Was she right NijiEN is filled with factionalism and bias depending on performance? Very probable yes.
Was her colleagues being collective assholes, unprofessionally calling her out on their stream? Definitely yes.
Did NijiEN unprofessionally made a list of “reasons for termination” which consists of some very weak and spiteful points that make little sense? I would say yes.
I’m camp both did a lot of things wrong. However, I definitely think NijiEN management deserved more criticism than an arrogant but ultimately not as “talented” streamer. Even if Zaion was being an ass privately while not being able to produce much results, that should have no bearing on their unprofessional, spiteful reaction. Other members should not be commenting on her termination, to both be respectful and maintain professionalism, separating work and personal life.
whenever i think of what riro did, and i see that model. someone host my funeral, cause i'm dead asf
Tbh what surprises me the most to this day is how Zaion got into nijisanji, like, I've seen the audition form and you have to put all your vtuber related socials/sites you stream on, I dont think that if she behaved like this on stream she didnt do so in the previous places she streamed at so its like...? So damn bizarre to me tbh.
I remember the vtuber board /vt/ being spammed about how hololive missed a very good talent in kyorisu when idol picked her ☠️☠️
I will admit, I am also guilty of instantly thinking about Rushia when I hear “VTuber Termination” since it is the first one I experienced and it so happened to be with one that I really did like though I am glad she is doing better nowadays.
This aged like milk lol, i hope she is doing worse and got what she deserver for all her abusive actions.
Yes, good. She abused her husband and made him suicidal. Good.
Shit got even crazier for rushia
transparency is for sure important but like,it needs to be actual reasons for the termination and not just a list of every single mistake they ever made..just the actual important reason/reasons.
Rino Ron performed a Needy Streamer Speedrun in real life, like wtf... That was one hell of an achievement.
you should do a video on "Small agencies" those have literally caused so much pain
....A certain Pettan group lol
huh?@@mrgklnds
given they did to selen what they did to Zaion... ya more people got their eyes opened
Sooooo how bout that Rushia news?
What news?
@@Lulubellfmmafumafu revealed that he and rushia were married when he sent that (they since divorced)
@@hokyosei When I first saw the thumbnails, I was like "oh, good for her that she's married". Then I'm go into the vids and learn about the divorce and I'm like "well, that's a shame but these things happen". Then the vids go into mafumafu's accusations of her being an abusive and controlling partner and I'm "oh ****, not again"
This is the first video of yours I've caught and I absolutely love it. Your quick edits and references provide a compelling viewing experience, and you managed to bring in The Wire in a video about VTuber terminations... Yep, subscribed.
I also love that you give credit to your sources and point to good explanations of complicated topics (like the work of Depressed Nousagi.)
Oh hey! Thanks for the shoutout! Great video. U been on fire lately ❤
came back to this video to mention about rushia ..... guys .... how are we all rn..
i feel so bad for mafu :( i hope everything goes to his favor in court
i feel so bad for mafu :( i hope everything goes to in favor in court
BRO WAS 2 WEEKS TOO EARLY FOR THAT RUSHIA RUSH
-marriage and abuse (new!)
-irl mehrra fr fr (new!)
I think personally there can be a fine line between too much info, and too little information.
VTubing agencies; while having their own sense of transparency, I think they can find that grey area.
When a Vtuber does something extremely wrong, such as pedophilia or Grooming; it should definitely be stated as such.
I.E: "This Vtuber has been terminated on grounds of Grooming and Pedophilic acts against other members or fans"
In cases of Riro I think they did the perfect Grey area, not too much information and not too little information. I think the simple "Breach of Contract" can have it's importance but it's also good to be transparent about major things, cause "Breach of Contract" can mean many things. And it isn't very, insightful on one hand. On the other it can also explain why most Vtuber or Idol companies don't think of putting much other than "Breach of contract" Sometimes.
Appreciate your point of view!
the editing on this video is very adhd friendly i love it
Riro Ron is a REAL rock star...
but I hope she's doing okay, I know the Endless girls loved her and she loved them. I
And every rock star needs groupies, it seems.
Also just to add to the Rushia/Mafumafu drama, that wasn't the first time those allegations popped up.
Awhile beforehand on Twitter, JP fans had seen, and I wish I was kidding, a plate with a specific design that Mafumafu had causing many to believe that they were dating or living together
It remained mostly on the Japanese side with Mafu making a statement that they did know each other but were just friends and putting it to rest in like a week, but when the Discord messages happened it just reignited the flames and pretty much caused those same ppl to believe that the previous statement might have actually been a lie and that they WERE dating...it was insane to say the least
(Edit from the future:....Well I guessed everything above aged like milk in a morbidly hilarious but shocking way)
Edit: also on the topic of transparency, i think the best way of handling it was how Hololive initially handled the Rushia/Mafu Drama
Tell ppl that they see the fan's concerns its none of their business, transparent enough to get a peak at the innerworkings of the company, but vauge enough to not give too much away
The Zaion stuff while having real grievances, is still an example of how NOT to handel it especially when they branded her for a Deez Nuts joke from a company nobodys ever heard of until her termination, along with how some talents, outside of Doppio and a few other who said NOTHING, put a standard on themselves that got scrutinized IMMEDIATELY by their next stream with certain action (aka Hex and the Dildo incident)
Hololive handled the Rushia situation as well as anyone could possibly have handled that situation. They fully supported her until right before the end, including releasing an official statement saying that they will not bonk talents who have romantic or sexual relationships with other consenting adults (most of their talents were at least 18 years old when they first signed their contracts, and the few who weren't have since had their 18th birthdays; so all current and former Holomems are adults, character lore notwithstanding).
The end of their full support was also handled well, firing her only for breaching the NDA and effectively telling the world that they are not taking a "some employees are more equal than others" approach to contract enforcement. They also did not fully unperson her when they deleted her YT and twitter content -- streams and videos featuring her on other holomems' channels were allowed to stay up, including the hologra which happened right before they fired her, and a cameo in one of Marine's MVs that was published several weeks after.
The things that they had in common was the most basic random cat tree you can possibly have and some cutlery ( I don't know if that is the right english word ) that fans gave Mafumafu and he used it. They actually didn't know each other well. There is messages from them when the old drama happened. They ironically got to know each other better because of the first drama. XD
Idol culture can be cruel. They both have obsessive fanbases unfortunately. They were not dating as far as we know. They both denied it. But that didn't help. People were still cruel.
I wish idol culture can change more in the future.
Zeig Zaion
should i even ask wtf the hex and the dildo incident is 😭
@@lezbianfreak To summarize, since Zaion made those sexual comments about the SA character, when she was terminated, a few of her genmates criticized her actions, with Hex standing out, because he opened up about his experience as an SA victim
Many, like myself saw nothing wrong with that, in fact it can be seen as an educational moment for Zaion and Niji's audience about boundaries and jokes that can cross the line...and then his next stream happened
It was "Viewer Submitted Assets"...and...the first item he pulled out was a censored dildo...for obvious reasons he got a lot of push back since, in programs like Vtube Studio, you have to manually open your files beforehand and put them in the asset folder, in short, you can't really "guess" what your viewers send you unless it's fan mail 😅
And after talking about a serious subject like assault not even a full 24hrs before the asset stream, it kinda felt uhhhhh...inappropriate 🫠
guess Rushia deserved that termination after what has been revealed. my man mafu suffered!!!
Regarding mikeneko she still use that menhera personality like rushia, not only that she also use the same artist as rushia for her new model
Theres also a moment where she collab with 2 male vtuber for apex tournament. Making her fans angry and felt betrayed.
I don’t understand people like that. It’s so sad when they get mad over women talking to men that aren’t them
@@ShagGnarok i mean she attract that kind of fans and she roleplay as a menhera gf
@@ShagGnarok It happens when you are selling engagement rings to your fanbase. While being married.
Oh boy. That part 2 gonna be something else.
It's just a coincidence that I was here this morning, now I came back because of the latest news from Cover corp.
Well the part about Rushia aged like milk
Rushia one was crazy bc i swear some rando jp guy in disc started screaming abt how he was better off w rushia n there was this girl just trying 2 calm the guy down i swear ppl r crazy when it comes 2 vtubers tbh
It's an act
Now it's even crazier because now we know they were indeed married and trying to deny it still. Oh yeah, and Rushia may have been a controlling and abusive partner during the marriage.
@@TheSkyheart5I won’t be taking any sides until something is actually confirmed but it’s wild
Surprised that the Wactor and Akio Air sagas weren't mentioned. IIRC they both started out as terminations.
Hearing Taledo speaking Japanese sounds cute
I tried my best 😭Thx ofc
He's preparing to order the Christmas KFC package.
@@user-fe8gx3ie5v ??..
I’m not even into Vtubers, but this was wildly entertaining. Great vid!
boy if only you'd waited a week
I understand Zaion's side of the story, but I also understand why she got terminated. I actually felt SICK watching her play Chilla's the karaoke game when she made that joke. It's understandable to have such humour but you should also understand that people, ESPECIALLY a corpo would NOT like it.
Gret vido btw :D
So I guess a part two is needed due to Selen's termination 💀
saying "no wonder she got" to a rp victim is insane 😭
crazy how a little bit after this video releases, the news drops that mafumafu is taking rushia to court for domestic abuse... thats a yikes from me
right? and i've heard rushia had killed or abused mafu's blind cat :(( i hope everything goes well in mafu's favor in court.... crazy that there's still some rushia stans defending her disgusting behavior
@@Az4le.a No, she accused Mafu of doing that to her cat, which he denied.
@@TheSkyheart5 ohhh
"Mikeneko seems alright"
Yeah, I clicked on this video despite being old because I couldn't remember how it originally went because of how crazy her story is from termination onwards.
HEY BRO, YOU NEED TO UPDATE YOUR STUFF ABOUT RUSHIA HOLY CRAP.
What's up, new to the channel, but definitely enjoying your content looking forward to more!
Hope you enjoy your stay!
Aaand the Zaion one has a bit of an epilogue needed
So the Rushia one, yeahhhh she deserved it more than anyone. Selen was crazy because of what came to light in the entire situation internally at Nijisanji and it really connected some dots with Pomu's prior departure not long before. Both were pioneers and focal points of the EN portion of Nijisanji. I think the toxic workplace claims from Selen now Doki really fill in some of the speculations on Pomu's departure, especially after she vocalized how bummed she was after a project she REALLY wanted to do got shot down with little reason. She has talked a bit more and it was Metal Gear related and the opportunity was limited time. She likely wouldnt have had the chance again and Niji shot that down.
The Mel situation is just sad mostly. She has been through hell in her personal life and ended up subjected to targetted harassment and threats of doxxing from her OWN COMPANY she worked under. A Cover manager used their position to threaten her with leaks. Then they terminated her for allegedly leaking Cover information to third parties. Like, you get threatened and harassed to the point police had to get involved by your employer, then your employer fires you because you didnt guard information well enough? Seems like some sick irony after going through all that. Seems Cover cares more about their own information than their employees.
coming back after the news, Rushia's termination got crazier
You know, there’s something that all these terminations have in common. I believe the main fault here is the fans who don’t mind their own business. All of these problems escalated because the fans just spread rumors and information. This is not only vtubers, it’s literally celebrities too. Why do we live in a world where fans dox their Oshis and get to their personal life. Specifically about Rushia, that really didn’t need to escalate. The fans were making a big deal about it when in reality they have no reason to know that private stuff. I get they want to support them but remember that these vtubers are people who have their own lives to live in a peaceful manner. Poor Rushia was having a mental breakdown. You call that helping? Although each of them did something wrong which led to their termination, it really didn’t need to escalate that much. Those fans need to stop and let them live a peaceful life. That’s why I think vtubers is a tougher job than celebrities when it comes to mental state. Anywho, that’s all.
Time to ad Selen to the list
Damn dude. Imagine if you had wanted to upload this video 4 weeks later like today. You would have to edit a few more Vtubers in like wow. And it's only febuary
Considering the news i just heard about Rushia (Her being abusive, cheating on mafumafu) I can say that i kind of knew what was gonna happen. Im just glad that i didn't fully supported her back then.
I still don’t understand why Chris got fired. Is being doxxed a breach of contract? If so, ANY member of Hololive could get doxxed and then fired, so nobody is safe. Is it her being in a compensated relationship? Then why does Hololive now take the position that private life shouldn’t matter, like they did with Rushia?
A majority of hololive talents have prior success from before hololive, so their identities are open secrets that you could find if you looked, hell I’ve found a couple of them by complete accident.
Policies change and a certain sound cloud rapper has said that she can't be fired for the information other people reveal about her. Cover would be damned fools to let antis have that sort of power.
Because compensated dating as a minor is illegal in Japan. There's no company that wouldn't fire you if you did something illegal while working for them and they were forced to know about it. There's a difference between "your private life doesn't matter," and "don't do illegal shit that can make us liable."
@@Ryuuchie That makes more sense as an explanation. Though it still shouldn’t be considered illegal IMO. If an adult and a child are dating, that should only be illegal on the adult’s part.
@@aaaah540 It more or less is because while the manager was jailed (at least that's what the rumor mill states); the only punishment Chris got was her subsequent firing. That was because even if she's a minor who's deemed incapable of making decisions due to her age such as minors are treated everywhere else; the reality is that Cover can't give the same leeway. There's a difference between Marine making old man jokes or the girls flirting with each other; and one of their talents being found out as actually doing the act of compensated dating. Realistically, even if she wasn't a minor; she still would have been fired because the image is going to look bad no matter what (especially since their entire position is of a public facing company).
Boils down to telling the talents they can't have a boyfriend is overstepping; but telling the talents that they can't prostitute themselves is common sense. Don't get me wrong though; the manager deserved jail because his MO was to solicit desperate up-and-coming vtubers for sex in exchange for providing them the equipment to do the vtubing. That unfortunately doesn't excuse the company from the court of public opinion; which is why Chris is still a hot-topic to this day where people will cite her at fault even though she was really just guilty of being young and stupid; just like everyone else has been when they were young (at least morally. In technical sense, she was still guilty of compensated dating and scamming someone[even though the person is a POS] which would never be able to be reconciled if they kept her onboard).
Damn the list definitely got some change after today
Excellent Video, I had no idea off the Meiro Incident; but the rest brought back (repressed) memories.
Hopefully, 2024 isn't gonna be as much of a mess as 2020-2023 .
2024 PERSON HERE WITH AN UPDATE!! mafumafu and rushia were married for a year but divorced (forgot when) and turns out rushia was an actual real menhera (。Д。) anyway forgot most of this so i suggest you find out more by tiktoks as most drama are usually told there and i found out on tiktok aswell lmao
I really appreciate hearing your opinions and think you bring a honest and balanced view on events and people
I remember the uruha rushia drama. As a mafumafu fan I thought they was just friends. But I never knew what happened to her until now.
I stand and will always stand with Zaion.
Thr black company nijisanji are experts on throwing their talents under the bus when things get hairy
This uh, Mikeneko stuff, yeah, ...aged like fine goats milk.
You might wanna update this video, bro. Maybe a little annotation during her segment? Yeah?
I don't know what you're talking about. That would make for some delicious cheese!
Just 2 weeks after this video was uploaded, we just got the craziest info drop on Rushia lol
(Edit: 14:26 OH NOOOOOO)
Riro Ron to be honest, I don't even care about her persona or who she used to be or whatever, but when I saw her termination, and when I saw that, they let her go, my first thought wasn't, oh my God, she ruined her career and blah blah blah, blah, blah, and she used to be this, so on big, influencer this so called big Vtuber that's all people really cared about, and that's crazy to me like I didn't watch her, but at least I have enough empathy to say that, you know, is she alright, even if she did all this stuff, and people have a negative look on her, my only concern was, was she alright after taking all those substances and doing all this, she's going down a dark path, and I am like very much concerned, even though she's not like, you know, a v tuber anymore i can't help but still be like what lead her to start doing these things 🤔 f*ck the vtuber scandal i what i really wanna hear is is she off substances, is she like going to seek therapy is she doing alright to other people, I might sound like a pair of social fan, but in reality, I'm just a person with concerns and have a different priority than others a person who can be worried
Well heres what I know
She was like this with her Previous persona
It was well known she was abusing substances and quite depressed
She then recovered and joined Idol and then she started again
My take is this that she may not handle popularity well .
@@mk_gamíng0609 thank you for informing me about these things
Reading this whole comment makes me. Think of 2mad (big meme youtuber) and how he handled his own shit early last year cuz he did all the same shit (outside of the nda tweet) so now im wondering if shes ok mentally too
@@BlackerSpaniel Its a tough situation and from Riros responses I do not think she will willingly get help herself.
Damn I love this video so much 😂😂 the editing n jokes made this so funny and not just a boring review 😆👍
Edit: Except Chris'. Yeah that's... always meant to be taken seriously.
Zaion making that "I like little boys" joke as sarcasm was funny given the charas she was playing but the r@pe joke was just too far. Making that kinda joke says a lot abt u...
Riro caught me off guard because I’m hyper fixated on idol en (specifically e-sekai) and I was not expecting that
Atleast these girls are immortalized with the Artists
I like the breakdown here, the humor placed over an otherwise dreary topic gave a nice 'lightness' to the video hah. As for the transparency? I'd say more is better. With how corporations are these days, any level of transparency is hard to argue against.
You forgot something about the Rushia termination.
We all know that she was terminated in February of 2022, coincidentally it was also the month of the Russian Invasion of Ukraine. There were a lot of misunderstanding in twitter because of the "we support Rushia" hashtag at that time.
I was like "OMG bruh oh hell no wtf man" to this kind of coincidence. Hope someone with common sense know that that most Twitter users can't
bro, it was in one day
bro this editing is insane. love it so much dude keep it up 😭